Haydninvienna, 2026/2: walking around my cluttered mind
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1haydninvienna
Back again! I'm a little surprised that I borrowed 3 library books last Thursday, and I've read all of them.
2Alexandra_book_life
Happy New Thread!
Congratulations on finishing all your library books :)
Congratulations on finishing all your library books :)
5clamairy
>1 haydninvienna: Happy New Thread, and congrats on the books read. I concur with >3 pgmcc:! Go gather up a few more.
6Karlstar
>1 haydninvienna: Happy new thread!
7Sakerfalcon
Happy new thread! I hope you have plenty of good reads to record in it!
9jillmwo
>1 haydninvienna: Happy new thread! Now off with you, back to the library so that you can scoop up new reading material.
10haydninvienna
>5 clamairy: , >6 Karlstar: , >7 Sakerfalcon: , >8 Narilka: , >9 jillmwo: Thanks all.
>9 jillmwo: I did just that! I have physical access (while the fuel lasts, anyway) to 3 library systems and electronic access to 3 more. So yesterday I hied me off to the Redland City library at Capalaba, since I had a couple from there that needed to go back, and found a few things, one of which I'm reading at the moment: A Most Peculiar Book by Kristin Swenson. It's about the Bible, but possibly not the Bible as you know it. This is not a book to please a Biblical fundamentalist. To start with, there are at least 2 Bibles even within Christianity: "The Bible" to a Roman Catholic is a somewhat different (and larger) book than the one a Protestant like myself calls "The Bible". Then we can start talking about translations ... But obviously they all share some features, and then Swenson can get to work on what she calls "the inherent strangeness of the Bible." But I'd better say no more, otherwise Peter and Clam and @terriks may be getting the popcorn out, or clam will be pointing to the "No Religion or Politics" sign.
Swenson is the Associate Professor of Religious Studies (Affiliate (whatever that means)), at Virginia Commonwealth University, and I love the book so far.
A minor weirdness of a different kind is that i picked up Ben Okri's short novel Madame Sosostris and the Festival for the Brokenhearted. This is only very mildly weird because the book showed up among my LT recommendations the other day, and my Firefox Library extension found it only in the Logan City system, and then only as a BorrowBox e-book. I dislike BorrowBox but borrowed anyway, and then I walk into Capalaba library and here's a physical copy, as bold as you please. For anyone who's read this: did you get an Enchanted April vibe? I am, but I'm not very far in and things may change.
Other matters: Mrs H is still in hospital, and the social workers are looking for a care facility place for her.
One of the trees that is a common street tree here is the Golden Penda, Xanthostemon chrysanthus. As the Wikipedia article notes, the flowers are a food source for many nectar feeding birds. Many of the trees here are in flower, and it's charming seeing the occasional flash of green, blue and yellow from lorikeets feeding on the flowers.
>9 jillmwo: I did just that! I have physical access (while the fuel lasts, anyway) to 3 library systems and electronic access to 3 more. So yesterday I hied me off to the Redland City library at Capalaba, since I had a couple from there that needed to go back, and found a few things, one of which I'm reading at the moment: A Most Peculiar Book by Kristin Swenson. It's about the Bible, but possibly not the Bible as you know it. This is not a book to please a Biblical fundamentalist. To start with, there are at least 2 Bibles even within Christianity: "The Bible" to a Roman Catholic is a somewhat different (and larger) book than the one a Protestant like myself calls "The Bible". Then we can start talking about translations ... But obviously they all share some features, and then Swenson can get to work on what she calls "the inherent strangeness of the Bible." But I'd better say no more, otherwise Peter and Clam and @terriks may be getting the popcorn out, or clam will be pointing to the "No Religion or Politics" sign.
Swenson is the Associate Professor of Religious Studies (Affiliate (whatever that means)), at Virginia Commonwealth University, and I love the book so far.
A minor weirdness of a different kind is that i picked up Ben Okri's short novel Madame Sosostris and the Festival for the Brokenhearted. This is only very mildly weird because the book showed up among my LT recommendations the other day, and my Firefox Library extension found it only in the Logan City system, and then only as a BorrowBox e-book. I dislike BorrowBox but borrowed anyway, and then I walk into Capalaba library and here's a physical copy, as bold as you please. For anyone who's read this: did you get an Enchanted April vibe? I am, but I'm not very far in and things may change.
Other matters: Mrs H is still in hospital, and the social workers are looking for a care facility place for her.
One of the trees that is a common street tree here is the Golden Penda, Xanthostemon chrysanthus. As the Wikipedia article notes, the flowers are a food source for many nectar feeding birds. Many of the trees here are in flower, and it's charming seeing the occasional flash of green, blue and yellow from lorikeets feeding on the flowers.
11clamairy
>10 haydninvienna: What a gorgeous bird! I hope MrsH ends up in her new home soon, and that it's nearby. That Kristin Swenson book sound fascinating. Please let us know if the Ben Okri is worth the time. I'm usually very skeptical of the LibraryThing recommendations feed.
12jillmwo
>10 haydninvienna: A friend of mine volunteers in a used book shop and because she is "in charge" of the religion section, to keep her in the loop of things, I will forward articles to her explaining current publishing trends in things like journaling bibles, new translations, etc. I might mention this one to her. (And, honestly, the book sounds like it would be an interesting read for me as well...)
The bird is good, too!
The bird is good, too!
13pgmcc
>10 haydninvienna:
I hope you find a nice, nearby place for Mrs. H. and that it is all sorted soon.
A Most Peculiar Book sounds very interesting.
That bird sounds beautiful. I must look up an image.
I love the type of synchronicity you described regarding the Okri book. The way it happens precludes the machinations of an AI reading your posts and pushing actions into play. There must be something much more supernatural at play.
I hope you find a nice, nearby place for Mrs. H. and that it is all sorted soon.
A Most Peculiar Book sounds very interesting.
That bird sounds beautiful. I must look up an image.
I love the type of synchronicity you described regarding the Okri book. The way it happens precludes the machinations of an AI reading your posts and pushing actions into play. There must be something much more supernatural at play.
14clamairy
>13 pgmcc: Richard embedded the link to the bird's wikipedia page (with photo) in his post. Just click on the bird's name.
16Karlstar
>10 haydninvienna: Good luck with the search for a place for Mrs. H, and thanks for the plant and bird info.
17haydninvienna
>11 clamairy: , >13 pgmcc: , >16 Karlstar: Thanks.
>15 pgmcc: They're quite noisy, and it's common to hear them but not see them — the colours hide amazingly in the green of the leaves. Also, walking along footpaths under the golden pendas after the lorikeets have been around, the ground is littered with bits of golden flowers — they feed on nectar, but not like hummingbirds. These are parrots. They get the nectar by tearing the flowers apart.
Just in case it's not clear, they're about the size of a. British magpie, but slimmer.
>15 pgmcc: They're quite noisy, and it's common to hear them but not see them — the colours hide amazingly in the green of the leaves. Also, walking along footpaths under the golden pendas after the lorikeets have been around, the ground is littered with bits of golden flowers — they feed on nectar, but not like hummingbirds. These are parrots. They get the nectar by tearing the flowers apart.
Just in case it's not clear, they're about the size of a. British magpie, but slimmer.
18pgmcc
>17 haydninvienna:
That is a fair size, though probably average for a parrot.
That is a fair size, though probably average for a parrot.
19jillmwo
>17 haydninvienna: They get the nectar by tearing the flowers apart.. I've known multiple human beings with that same characteristic...
20haydninvienna
Parrots generally are destructive little sh*ts even though they're pretty. There's a famous case of a shopping centre in Sydney, the facade of which was basically destroyed by sulphur-crested cockatoos. (A cockatoo is a parrot with a crest. Not all parrots have crests.) Sulphur-crested cockatoos:

are big and strong, and quite smart. Then there's galahs:

Back in the day, City Hill in Canberra was planted with ornamental spruces. I remember one afternoon seeing one of the trees shaking all over. So I went for a look and found it was full of galahs, which were ripping everything apart to get at the seed capsules.
Both sulphur-crests and galahs are pretty common here, as well as the lorikeets.

are big and strong, and quite smart. Then there's galahs:

Back in the day, City Hill in Canberra was planted with ornamental spruces. I remember one afternoon seeing one of the trees shaking all over. So I went for a look and found it was full of galahs, which were ripping everything apart to get at the seed capsules.
Both sulphur-crests and galahs are pretty common here, as well as the lorikeets.
21haydninvienna
I did something eccentric tonight.
I've been thinking about a comment of Adam Gopnik's, in The Real Work, about Bob Dylan, to the effect that Dylan started as a bad musician and practiced for 10,000 hours, but he didn't become a good musician, he became Bob Dylan. If I understand the comment correctly, that's a compliment. Dylan is unique. And I suddenly wanted to hear the early Dylan song 'When the Ship Comes In'. It's on his third album, The Times They Are A'Changin', which I happen not to have in my iTunes collection. So I bought it and was playing it in the car going home.
Oh to be fourteen again encountering this for the first time! And isn't most of it dreadful, musically speaking! But my goodness, isn't there something there? Listening to 'With God on Our Side' in the current world situation nearly broke me. And so, without more ado, this week's poem (in spoiler tags — don't click if you don't know the song and are a particular fan of certain current foreign policies):
I've been thinking about a comment of Adam Gopnik's, in The Real Work, about Bob Dylan, to the effect that Dylan started as a bad musician and practiced for 10,000 hours, but he didn't become a good musician, he became Bob Dylan. If I understand the comment correctly, that's a compliment. Dylan is unique. And I suddenly wanted to hear the early Dylan song 'When the Ship Comes In'. It's on his third album, The Times They Are A'Changin', which I happen not to have in my iTunes collection. So I bought it and was playing it in the car going home.
Oh to be fourteen again encountering this for the first time! And isn't most of it dreadful, musically speaking! But my goodness, isn't there something there? Listening to 'With God on Our Side' in the current world situation nearly broke me. And so, without more ado, this week's poem (in spoiler tags — don't click if you don't know the song and are a particular fan of certain current foreign policies):
Oh my name it is nothin’
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I’s taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
l’s made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don’t count the dead
When God’s on your side
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side
I’ve learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It’s them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we’re forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side
Through many dark hour
I’ve been thinkin’ about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can’t think for you
You’ll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side
So now as I’m leavin’
I’m weary as Hell
The confusion I’m feelin’
Ain’t no tongue can tell
The words fill my headAnd fall to the floor
If God’s on our side
He’ll stop the next war
22pgmcc
>21 haydninvienna:
Very poignant.
Very poignant.
23Alexandra_book_life
>21 haydninvienna: Thank you.
24jillmwo
>21 haydninvienna: I had never heard or read those lyrics before. OMG.
25Karlstar
>21 haydninvienna: Don't think I've ever heard that before or seen the lyrics, thanks for that!
26haydninvienna
>23 Alexandra_book_life: >24 jillmwo: >25 Karlstar: My pleasure, sort of.
>24 jillmwo: >25 Karlstar: You surprise me. Dylan was part of the soundtrack of my teens. Sometimes I want something other than Bach or Haydn. Once upon a time I had all of the Dylan albums up to Nashville Skyline on vinyl, and I still have most of those on CD. Somewhere.
>24 jillmwo: >25 Karlstar: You surprise me. Dylan was part of the soundtrack of my teens. Sometimes I want something other than Bach or Haydn. Once upon a time I had all of the Dylan albums up to Nashville Skyline on vinyl, and I still have most of those on CD. Somewhere.
27clamairy
>21 haydninvienna: I am also not familiar with this one at all. Many thanks for sharing.
28jillmwo
>10 haydninvienna: Can we get an update on your general thoughts on the book by Kristen Swenson? Were you able to finish it before it was due back at the library? Just curious as to whether you found it worthwhile.
29haydninvienna
>28 jillmwo: Answer is yes to both questions. The book should be approached cautiously though, depending on your opinions about the Bible. If you believe it's infallible or the literal word of God, at the very least you're in for a shock. She spends quite a bit of time on inconsistencies, provable errors and downright appalling or immoral behaviour, so be prepared for that. But a well-written, well-produced, engaging book. Give a copy to your favourite Biblical fundamentalist.
31haydninvienna
I have actually been reading a good bit, but nothing worth posting about.
However, went to the doc on Monday for the annual check-up (paid for by a benevolent Commonwealth Government — how socialist is that?) and was found to be fit and healthy for my age, all blood tests OK, and so on. Then today I had a mildly weird experience. I went into the shopping centre where Mrs H and I used to go for coffee and met a guy that I used to see there and chat to, and he asked me about “the woman in the wheelchair, was she your wife or your mother?” He may or may not have been serious, he’s a flippant kind of bloke, but … For the record, I am 7 years and 113 days older than Mrs H.
However, went to the doc on Monday for the annual check-up (paid for by a benevolent Commonwealth Government — how socialist is that?) and was found to be fit and healthy for my age, all blood tests OK, and so on. Then today I had a mildly weird experience. I went into the shopping centre where Mrs H and I used to go for coffee and met a guy that I used to see there and chat to, and he asked me about “the woman in the wheelchair, was she your wife or your mother?” He may or may not have been serious, he’s a flippant kind of bloke, but … For the record, I am 7 years and 113 days older than Mrs H.
32pgmcc
>31 haydninvienna:
Long may you be fit and healthy and youthful looking.
Long may you be fit and healthy and youthful looking.
33Karlstar
>31 haydninvienna: Good to hear!
35Alexandra_book_life
>31 haydninvienna: I am glad to hear that your check-up went well! It's nice to be youthful looking :)
36haydninvienna
Little while since I posted because what with Life and all, I haven't been reading much. But at one of the libraries the other day, I picked up A Book of Luminous Things, An International Anthology of Poetry, edited by Czeslaw Milosz. In it I found this:
Seasonally appropriate, for us Down Under, anyway.
Ancient Air
by Li Po
Climbed high, to gaze upon the sea,
Heaven and Earth, so vast, so vast.
Frost clothes all things in Autumn,
Winds waft, the broad wastes cold.
Glory, splendor; eastward flowing stream,
This world's affairs, just waves.
White sun covered, its dying rays,
The floating clouds, no resting place.
In lofty Wu-t'ung trees nest lowly finches.
Down among the thorny brush the Phoenix perches.
All that's left, to go home again,
Hand on my sword I sing, "The Going's Hard."
Translated from the Chinese by J. P. Seaton.
Seasonally appropriate, for us Down Under, anyway.
37haydninvienna
>35 Alexandra_book_life: Thank you!
On Tuesday this week I went to look at a place that might (fingers crossed) offer a place to Mrs H. While I was waiting for the person I was to see, I got chatting to a guy who obviously lived there. Turned out he's the same age as I am, but he needs a walker to get around, his digestion's shot, he has various other troubles, etc. I told his I was the same age and was rewarded with "Well, you're doing all right then!".
On Tuesday this week I went to look at a place that might (fingers crossed) offer a place to Mrs H. While I was waiting for the person I was to see, I got chatting to a guy who obviously lived there. Turned out he's the same age as I am, but he needs a walker to get around, his digestion's shot, he has various other troubles, etc. I told his I was the same age and was rewarded with "Well, you're doing all right then!".
38pgmcc
>37 haydninvienna:
And long may you continue to do all right then.
And long may you continue to do all right then.
39Alexandra_book_life
>37 haydninvienna: May you stay in good health!
41jillmwo
>37 haydninvienna: Stay healthy. Eat those Wheaties for breakfast!!
42clamairy
>37 haydninvienna: And may you continue to do all right!
43haydninvienna
>38 pgmcc: >39 Alexandra_book_life: >40 Karlstar: >41 jillmwo: >42 clamairy: Thanks, all. >41 jillmwo: Actually, not Wheaties — more like overnight oats and rather a lot of strong coffee.
Having said which, I'm trying to keep in mind the motto well known to the Romans: nihil bastardus carborundum (well, if it wasn't it should have been). Part of my responsibilities as an Administrator is to deal with the joint bank accounts, which we still have 2 of in the UK. Neither has any significant amount of money in it, but HSBC wants a notarised copy of the administration order, for an account that has less than £5 in it. I think they can go hopping sideways: I'll just let the account become abandoned. So far, Santander has been more reasonable, but who knows? Surprisingly, the NHS Pensions administrator has been much easier to deal with: they just wanted a written undertaking, which I've provided.
The only joint account we had in Australia was easy: I just opened a new account in Mrs H's name which I can operate as administrator, and have notified the relevant authorities to pay any sums due to her into that account. Once the NHS pension payments start going into that account I'll close the joint one.
Still not much progress with finding her a care place, but she's waitlisted at a few, so there's hope.
And of course with all this schlock going on, my reading mojo has really got up and left the building. Never mind, it will come back. I can remember reading that if you pull a deep sea fish to the surface too quickly it bursts. That's kind of how I feel now. The daily pressure of looking after Mrs H is gone, and I now have a new kind of pressure that I'm still learning to deal with.
Having said which, I'm trying to keep in mind the motto well known to the Romans: nihil bastardus carborundum (well, if it wasn't it should have been). Part of my responsibilities as an Administrator is to deal with the joint bank accounts, which we still have 2 of in the UK. Neither has any significant amount of money in it, but HSBC wants a notarised copy of the administration order, for an account that has less than £5 in it. I think they can go hopping sideways: I'll just let the account become abandoned. So far, Santander has been more reasonable, but who knows? Surprisingly, the NHS Pensions administrator has been much easier to deal with: they just wanted a written undertaking, which I've provided.
The only joint account we had in Australia was easy: I just opened a new account in Mrs H's name which I can operate as administrator, and have notified the relevant authorities to pay any sums due to her into that account. Once the NHS pension payments start going into that account I'll close the joint one.
Still not much progress with finding her a care place, but she's waitlisted at a few, so there's hope.
And of course with all this schlock going on, my reading mojo has really got up and left the building. Never mind, it will come back. I can remember reading that if you pull a deep sea fish to the surface too quickly it bursts. That's kind of how I feel now. The daily pressure of looking after Mrs H is gone, and I now have a new kind of pressure that I'm still learning to deal with.
44clamairy
>43 haydninvienna: I'm so sorry. It's 'out of the frying pan and into the fire,' it seems. I do hope things calm down for you soon
45Sakerfalcon
>43 haydninvienna: Sending you my best wishes at this stressful time. I hope you can get the admin sorted out soon.
46pgmcc
>43 haydninvienna:
Thinking of you and hoping you manage to get some rest to build the energy to handle all those issues.
Thinking of you and hoping you manage to get some rest to build the energy to handle all those issues.
47jillmwo
>43 haydninvienna:. It sounds to me as if you're handling everything remarkably well. Step outside after the really frustrating phone calls. Breathe. You can only do so much on single day.
But the fact that you can see the beauty in the world around you (the parrots earlier in this thread, for example, and the poetry) means that you've got your head on straight. The space to read will circle around again and books are patient.
But the fact that you can see the beauty in the world around you (the parrots earlier in this thread, for example, and the poetry) means that you've got your head on straight. The space to read will circle around again and books are patient.
48haydninvienna
>47 jillmwo: Thanks Jill. I found your second paragraph comforting. It also reminded me of an old Ask.Metafilter thread about What do you look at/notice, as you wander through the world, that I probably ignore? ("I spy with my little eye"). There's some interesting stuff in there. (I've been on Metafilter almost as long as I've been on LT, although I don't post much.)
Things I look at:
• anything in the sky — clouds, the moon in the day sky, birds, aircraft;
• plants and trees;
• editing and suchlike on signs;
...
so I haven't entirely switched off yet.
Things I look at:
• anything in the sky — clouds, the moon in the day sky, birds, aircraft;
• plants and trees;
• editing and suchlike on signs;
...
so I haven't entirely switched off yet.
49Bookmarque
I'm so sorry you're going through this and I can't imagine having that kind of partnership torn. All I can do is sympathize and wish you strength and peace as you do the best for you and for her.
50Narilka
>43 haydninvienna: That is a lot to deal with. It reminds me somewhat of what I had to deal with for my mom but on steroids. You will get your reading mojo back eventually. Take care of yourself.
51Alexandra_book_life
>43 haydninvienna: You are dealing with a lot of things! I am sending my best wishes.
Your books will come back to you.
Your books will come back to you.
52Karlstar
>43 haydninvienna: Good to hear that the accounts were managed easily and I hope they find someplace for Mrs. H sooner.
53haydninvienna
>49 Bookmarque: >50 Narilka: >52 Karlstar: >52 Karlstar: Thanks guys.
It's been an interesting week so far, in a number of ways. Monday was miserable, rain all day. Tuesday the rain broke up and I at least got the washing done. Wednesday I scared myself silly because I heard a knock at the door while I was upstairs but didn't get down in time — it was Australia Post leaving a card for a package that needed to be signed for, and which I could collect at the local post office in the afternoon. I spent the next four hours or so stewing about all the unpleasant possibilities. It turned out to be from the NHS pension authority in the UK, returning a couple of documents I'd sent them in connection with Mrs H's pension. Today is bright and clear although cool. Autumn is the best time of the year here.
As I noted above, I notice plants. There's a street I travel down on the bus which has a group of trees that I'm almost prepared to swear are tamarinds. Another street has three or four of what look uncommonly like baobabs. In both cases it's hard to be sure but I keep telling myself I'll drive down there and have a proper look.
I even managed to read some of the Czeslaw Milosz anthology (see #36) while waiting for the washing to dry.
It's been an interesting week so far, in a number of ways. Monday was miserable, rain all day. Tuesday the rain broke up and I at least got the washing done. Wednesday I scared myself silly because I heard a knock at the door while I was upstairs but didn't get down in time — it was Australia Post leaving a card for a package that needed to be signed for, and which I could collect at the local post office in the afternoon. I spent the next four hours or so stewing about all the unpleasant possibilities. It turned out to be from the NHS pension authority in the UK, returning a couple of documents I'd sent them in connection with Mrs H's pension. Today is bright and clear although cool. Autumn is the best time of the year here.
As I noted above, I notice plants. There's a street I travel down on the bus which has a group of trees that I'm almost prepared to swear are tamarinds. Another street has three or four of what look uncommonly like baobabs. In both cases it's hard to be sure but I keep telling myself I'll drive down there and have a proper look.
I even managed to read some of the Czeslaw Milosz anthology (see #36) while waiting for the washing to dry.
54jillmwo
I feel as if I have encountered baobabs through reading SOMETHING. Would it have been Kipling? Who famously writes about baobab trees?
stewing about all the unpleasant possibilities A wise friend once told me that this sort of thing is an unproductive use of one's imagination. It creates unnecessary stress. For the sake of your own sanity, you might want to minimize time spent in this fashion. (Yes, I know it's easier said than done and I freely admit that I am prone to doing exactly the same thing. The friend's advice still stands.)
stewing about all the unpleasant possibilities A wise friend once told me that this sort of thing is an unproductive use of one's imagination. It creates unnecessary stress. For the sake of your own sanity, you might want to minimize time spent in this fashion. (Yes, I know it's easier said than done and I freely admit that I am prone to doing exactly the same thing. The friend's advice still stands.)
55Sakerfalcon
>54 jillmwo: There are baobab trees in The little prince, for sure. And they do seem like something that Kipling might have mentioned, in the Just-so stories perhaps, although I can't remember any specific references to them.
56haydninvienna
>54 jillmwo: you might want to minimize time spent in this fashion: I know, I know. But it's still worth saying.
>55 Sakerfalcon: Definitely in The Little Prince, where they are more or less weeds. Don't recall any mention of them in Just So Stories. (Just checked the text of the latter on Project Gutenberg — no baobabs, at least not by that name. Paging @hfglen ...
>55 Sakerfalcon: Definitely in The Little Prince, where they are more or less weeds. Don't recall any mention of them in Just So Stories. (Just checked the text of the latter on Project Gutenberg — no baobabs, at least not by that name. Paging @hfglen ...
57hfglen
>56 haydninvienna: Agreed. SANParks have placed a sign with a quote from the Just So Stories at the start of an elevated walkway in the fever-tree forest alongside the Limpopo River in Mapungubwe National Park, but no way can a fever tree be confused with a baobab!
58haydninvienna
After the discussion recently about the Guardian's dodgy 100-best list, here's another Guardian list which is a bit more defensible: Authors choose books to make you fall back in love with reading (link goes to the relevant page on LT Lists). Couple of old familiars here: Invisible Cities and a couple of collections by Jorge Luis Borges. Our good friend Susie Dent was a contributor. I notice also that there's a couple of choices in common with Michael Dirda's 100 best comic novels. (That link goes to Goodreads, unfortunately — the list doesn't seem to be available from the WaPo).
59Karlstar
>58 haydninvienna: Seems like a much more approachable list!
60Alexandra_book_life
>58 haydninvienna: I liked this list very much, thank you :) It's nice that they included Borges. I was also happy to see The Dark is Rising. Susan Cooper's books were among my formative reads back in the day :)
61haydninvienna
Followup to the mention of the trees in >53 haydninvienna: : I actually drove there this morning. The trees that I thought were tamarinds aren't, although they are some sort of legume. My iPhone app (iSeek) can't identify them, but the few pods on them are not like tamarind pods, which I'm reasonably familiar with — the fruit was fairly common in Doha. Maybe wait until flowering season, whenever that is.
The ones that I thought were baobabs iSeek couldn't identify either, but:
This one is dead, apparently (not surprising given where it's planted) but there are 2 other smaller ones on the same strip of grass that are still green.
The ones that I thought were baobabs iSeek couldn't identify either, but:
This one is dead, apparently (not surprising given where it's planted) but there are 2 other smaller ones on the same strip of grass that are still green.
62clamairy
That is a very interesting tree. I'm sorry it's deceased, but I swear I see a very interesting facial expressing on that largest trunk...
63haydninvienna
Latest in the occasional series Gee, We Can Do Some Really Net Stuff: a solar eclipse on Mars, captured by the Perseverance rover.
64haydninvienna
And while we're walking around my cluttered mind, how about this: The Global Diversity of French Fry Dips Is a Window Into the Way We Eat Today? I remember having some chat with @hfglen about the idea of a taxonomy of food: here's another bit.
65Karlstar
>63 haydninvienna: Wow, an eclipse as seen from another planet!! That's awesome.
66Karlstar
>64 haydninvienna: Great article. A restaurant near us had a great basil aioli for fries, we just found out last week that they've stopped having it, apparently it wasn't popular. It was by far our favorite.
67clamairy
>63 haydninvienna: That is awesome. Thank you!
>65 Karlstar: You will have to make your own! Trader Joe's has a lovely truffle aioli, if you want to try that.
>65 Karlstar: You will have to make your own! Trader Joe's has a lovely truffle aioli, if you want to try that.
68Karlstar
>67 clamairy: We always have excess basil by August, so that sounds like a great experiment. Neither of us are truffle fans.
69pgmcc
>63 haydninvienna:
Excellent video. Thank you.
Excellent video. Thank you.
70jillmwo
>63 haydninvienna: and >69 pgmcc: Did you read the bit where it says that Phobos is apt to crash into Mars at some point in the next 50 million years? There's your plot for the next Hollywood summer block buster. Billionaire makes it to Mars but his wild hope for colonization is brought to an horrific end by Phobos crashing earlier than anticipated...
72haydninvienna
>70 jillmwo: I did see the bit about Phobos falling onto Mars, but I already knew it. Phobos is a pretty weird moon anyway:
Also it's so close to Mars that it's not visible from Mars's poles.
It orbits Mars much faster than Mars rotates and completes an orbit in just 7 hours and 39 minutes. As a result, from the surface of Mars it appears to rise in the west, move across the sky in 4 hours and 15 minutes or less, and set in the east, twice each Martian day. (Wikipedia).
Also it's so close to Mars that it's not visible from Mars's poles.
73pgmcc
>72 haydninvienna:
That is weird.
That is weird.
74jillmwo
>72 haydninvienna:. So Martians likely have an entirely different means of marking the passage of time on their world.
75haydninvienna
Aargh. Just when you though life was complicated, it gets more complicated. I had an appointment with the general surgery clinic at the hospital this morning regarding my hernia, and the surgeon had a look and, er, a feel and said, "I think we'll need to do an open repair on this. Just let me talk to the consultant for a minute," and when he came back he said, "We'll book a bed for you." Apparently if you're going to be in overnight they book a bed for you even before scheduling the surgery. Which I don't yet have a date for, but it will be sooner rather than later. Of course, up till now we've been putting it off on account of the uncertainty regarding Mrs H, and in that time it's gone from something that they could have fixed with a keyhole op to something that needs the full drama. Bother, to put it mildly.
76Alexandra_book_life
>75 haydninvienna: Oh. I am sorry to hear that. Sending you hugs, I hope everything works out.
77pgmcc
>75 haydninvienna:
Sending you best wishes for the procedure.
Sending you best wishes for the procedure.
78hfglen
>75 haydninvienna: Strength to you!
79Sakerfalcon
>75 haydninvienna: I'm sorry to hear this. I hope that everything will go smoothly once the op is booked.
80jillmwo
>75 haydninvienna:. Ugh. Just Ugh. I'm so sorry you're having to cope with having a procedure just now. Take care of yourself. (Allow yourself time and some respite for recovery.)
81clamairy
>75 haydninvienna: Oh yikes. I'm so sorry...
Am I correct in assuming that "keyhole op" is what we in the states call laparoscopic surgery? Sorry you missed that window of opportunity.
Am I correct in assuming that "keyhole op" is what we in the states call laparoscopic surgery? Sorry you missed that window of opportunity.
82Karlstar
>75 haydninvienna: Sorry to hear that, I hope it goes well.
83haydninvienna
>76 Alexandra_book_life: — >82 Karlstar: Thanks all. >81 clamairy: Yes, "keyhole" means laparoscopic. In big-people talk, it's called "laparoscopic" here too.
ETA There is a sort of upside though. After a laparoscopic procedure, I'd possibly get sent home the same night, but after an open procedure I'll be in QEII Hospital for at least a couple of days. Seems kind of weird to think of it as a rest, but still ...
ETA There is a sort of upside though. After a laparoscopic procedure, I'd possibly get sent home the same night, but after an open procedure I'll be in QEII Hospital for at least a couple of days. Seems kind of weird to think of it as a rest, but still ...
84haydninvienna
Just as a distraction, I was looking at the bookcases and the piles this morning. There's been some chat in Jill's thread about the magic number of 3,000 books. My library shows over 3,000 but that's a cheat: it includes 150 or so wishlist items and a couple of hundred in "Lost&Discarded", plus other oddities like a collection that's Michael Dirda's list of great comic novels. Of the ones I still have (2,357, it says here), I reckon that if I never buy another book (fat chance) or borrow another library book (equally fat chance), I can probably read all of the ones that I haven't yet read in the years remaining to me.
85jillmwo
>84 haydninvienna:. Do you know that I've been having exactly that same thought: "I can probably read all of the ones that I haven't yet read in the years remaining..."
86haydninvienna
Up there in #36 I posted a poem from an anthology, Luminous Things, selected by Czesław Miłosz. Here's another:
A Journey
by Edward Field
When he got up that morning everything was different:
He enjoyed the bright spring day
But he did not realize it exactly, he just enjoyed it.
And walking down the street to the railroad station
Past magnolia trees with dying flowers like old socks
It was a long time since he had breathed so simply.
Tears filled his eyes and it felt good
But he held them back
Because men didn't walk around crying in that town.
Waiting on the platform at the station
The fear came over him of something terrible about to happen:
The train was late and he recited the alphabet to keep hold.
And in its time it came screeching in
And as it went on making its usual stops,
People coming and going, telephone poles passing.
He hid his head behind a newspaper
No longer able to hold back the sobs, and willed his eyes
To follow the rational weavings of the seat fabric.
He didn't do anything violent as he had imagined.
He cried for a long time, but when he finally quieted down
A place in him that had been closed like a fist was open,
And at the end of the ride he stood up and got off that train:
And through the streets and in all the places he lived in later on
He walked, himself at last, a man among men,
With such radiance that everyone looked up and wondered.
87Alexandra_book_life
>86 haydninvienna: This is beautiful. Thank you!
88haydninvienna
Yet another poem, not from the Miłosz anthology (I found it serendipitously). It's longer than usual so spoiler tags in case of TL/DR:
Curiosity
may have killed the cat. More likely,
the cat was just unlucky, or else curious
to see what death was like, having no cause
to go on licking paws, or fathering
litter on litter of kittens, predictably.
Nevertheless, to be curious
is dangerous enough. To distrust
what is always said, what seems,
to ask odd questions, interfere in dreams,
smell rats, leave home, have hunches,
does not endear cats to those doggy circles
where well-smelt baskets, suitable wives, good lunches
are the order of things, and where prevails
much wagging of incurious heads and tails.
Face it. Curiosity
will not cause us to die –
only lack of it will.
Never to want to see
the other side of the hill
or that improbable country
where living is an idyll
(although a probable hell)
would kill us all.
Only the curious
have if they live a tale
worth telling at all.
Dogs say cats love too much, are irresponsible,
are dangerous, marry too many wives,
desert their children, chill all dinner tables
with tales of their nine lives.
Well, they are lucky. Let them be
nine-lived and contradictory,
curious enough to change, prepared to pay
the cat-price, which is to die
and die again and again,
each time with no less pain.
A cat-minority of one
is all that can be counted on
to tell the truth; and what cats have to tell
on each return from hell
is this: that dying is what the living do,
that dying is what the loving do,
and that dead dogs are those who never know
that dying is what, to live, each has to do.
(by Alastair Reid)
89Karlstar
>88 haydninvienna: I like that one.
90haydninvienna
The walk took a different turn today. I had to go to Services Australia (a government body that processes various things for Mrs H) and after I'd done with them I went into the Big W store there (kind of like an Australian Wal-Mart but not quite) with the intention of buying a couple of pillows. I bought the pillows all right but also:
• Green Eggs and Ham
• Fox in Socks
• Where the River Bends by Jane and Jimmy Barnes.
All of these are for me (second childhood is looming, apparently). I think Fox in Socks is pure genius. Most of the other Dr Seuss books are pretty good, but this one is special. I can still recite a good deal of it from having read it repeatedly to the kids 30+ years ago.
Where the River Bends is a cookbook, written by a couple of rock musicians. Jimmy Barnes is an Australian legend: born in fairly severe poverty in Glasgow, he became a figure on the Australian rock music scene in the late 60s and lived the wild, dissolute life that you'd expect until he met Jane, who was a diplomat's daughter. And she cooked for him and he decided to marry her. Forty years later they are still together and still cooking (they've appeared together a few times on Adam Liaw's cooking show on TV here). The book is not just about cooking — it's about them and their large family, children, grandchildren, whatever. The food might not be quite what you expect: for example, tagliatelle in creamy porcini mushroom sauce (using home made pasta). The book is almost worth it just for the photography, of the food, them, their family and the house.
• Green Eggs and Ham
• Fox in Socks
• Where the River Bends by Jane and Jimmy Barnes.
All of these are for me (second childhood is looming, apparently). I think Fox in Socks is pure genius. Most of the other Dr Seuss books are pretty good, but this one is special. I can still recite a good deal of it from having read it repeatedly to the kids 30+ years ago.
Where the River Bends is a cookbook, written by a couple of rock musicians. Jimmy Barnes is an Australian legend: born in fairly severe poverty in Glasgow, he became a figure on the Australian rock music scene in the late 60s and lived the wild, dissolute life that you'd expect until he met Jane, who was a diplomat's daughter. And she cooked for him and he decided to marry her. Forty years later they are still together and still cooking (they've appeared together a few times on Adam Liaw's cooking show on TV here). The book is not just about cooking — it's about them and their large family, children, grandchildren, whatever. The food might not be quite what you expect: for example, tagliatelle in creamy porcini mushroom sauce (using home made pasta). The book is almost worth it just for the photography, of the food, them, their family and the house.
91pgmcc
>90 haydninvienna:
The Barnes book sounds very attractive.
The Barnes book sounds very attractive.
92haydninvienna
>91 pgmcc: It is. It's beautifully done. Incidentally, the dish that Jane cooked for Jimmy 40 years ago was an Australian classic, Apricot Chicken, although I won't guarantee that she used this recipe.
94jillmwo
>92 haydninvienna: I like that recipe. Looks doable and it has the virtue of being uncomplicated.
95clamairy
>93 pgmcc: Why is that?
I have a giant bag of dried apricots from Costco here. Unfortunately they are sulfured, which means there are uncomfortable (and often audible) repercussions to their consumption. Perhaps if I use them sparingly in a chicken dish they might not cause so many issues.
I have a giant bag of dried apricots from Costco here. Unfortunately they are sulfured, which means there are uncomfortable (and often audible) repercussions to their consumption. Perhaps if I use them sparingly in a chicken dish they might not cause so many issues.
96Karlstar
>92 haydninvienna: Are apricots common in Australia?
Against Trish's advice, I bought a fresh apricot last year, so I could say I tried one. I much prefer them dried.
Against Trish's advice, I bought a fresh apricot last year, so I could say I tried one. I much prefer them dried.
97clamairy
>96 Karlstar: They can be a little mealy. I suspect they're better right off the tree.
98hfglen
Here we can get (with a bit of searching) dried apricots of two different origins: local and Turkish. The former are definitely sharper in taste and so IMHO better for savoury dishes like the one we're discussing. Turkish ones are sweeter and better suited to dessert. It may be worth reading the label on the packet and doing a taste test before blazing away and throwing an unknown into this recipe (which sounds great, though I would consider using a different flavour of soup powder -- the family, self by no means least, loathe the taste of onions).
99pgmcc
>95 clamairy:
Why is that?
When I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes I was given a Heath Service guide that gave me specific dietary does and don'ts for the condition. Where fruit was concerned there were some very much no-nos, some "in moderation" and not too bad, and some "est as much as you like". Apricots, melons, pineabble, mangoes and pears were in the no-no camp due to the speed with which they release sugar/glucous. I believe the measurement is a GI, some sort of index. The not too bad included bananas due to their slow release of potassium and any glucous content. Eat as many or as much as you like included apples, strawberrie, blueberries, and virtually every other type of edible (i.e. non poisonous) berries.
Why is that?
When I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes I was given a Heath Service guide that gave me specific dietary does and don'ts for the condition. Where fruit was concerned there were some very much no-nos, some "in moderation" and not too bad, and some "est as much as you like". Apricots, melons, pineabble, mangoes and pears were in the no-no camp due to the speed with which they release sugar/glucous. I believe the measurement is a GI, some sort of index. The not too bad included bananas due to their slow release of potassium and any glucous content. Eat as many or as much as you like included apples, strawberrie, blueberries, and virtually every other type of edible (i.e. non poisonous) berries.
100clamairy
>99 pgmcc: Interesting. Thank you.
101haydninvienna
>96 Karlstar: Apricots common in Australia? In short, yes. But of course the fresh ones in the supermarkets are a pale shadow of the real thing. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and I had a backyard in Canberra, I had a tree. The fruit from that tree: absolute nectar of the gods. >97 clamairy: Absolutely right. >99 pgmcc: Having to avoid supermarket apricots isn't much loss. "Glycaemic index" is the term you're looking for.
Dried fruit usually is sulphured, I think to prevent mould, but health food stores usually have unsulphured ones.
>98 hfglen: try a different soup mix by all means, but then it wouldn't be authentic, would it? Apricot Chicken isn't exactly haute cuisine, and it's a long time since I last ate it. Note also that there are lots of much fancier recipes. I linked to that one because AFAIK it's the Ur-version as I remember it.
Dried fruit usually is sulphured, I think to prevent mould, but health food stores usually have unsulphured ones.
>98 hfglen: try a different soup mix by all means, but then it wouldn't be authentic, would it? Apricot Chicken isn't exactly haute cuisine, and it's a long time since I last ate it. Note also that there are lots of much fancier recipes. I linked to that one because AFAIK it's the Ur-version as I remember it.
102clamairy
>101 haydninvienna: It's my understanding the sulfur is primarily added to prevent discoloration. When I buy organic unsulfured apricots they are brown, not bright orange. I really like the tart ones, but they are hard to find. Commercial ones are all 'Mediterranean style' so almost sickeningly sweet.
103haydninvienna
>102 clamairy: You could well be right. Here, I think they've become slightly sweeter since I was a child, but yours may have been sweetened somehow. Are they softer as well?
104tardis
>101 haydninvienna: I have an apricot tree and today I discovered that, for the first time ever, it has fruit on it! I can only see three little green apricots, and who knows if they'll actually ripen, but it's a start!
105haydninvienna
>104 tardis: Best of luck! I don't know how long a summer you get in Edmonton, but if thy ripen you're in for a treat. That is, if the birds don't get them first ...
106clamairy
>103 haydninvienna: No, they aren't sweetened. I believe the tart ones are picked & dried before the apricots are ripe. This batch is from Turkey. They are delicious, but I can only eat one or two.
The tart ones I used to love always came from California, and Google says: Tart, tangy dried apricots are most frequently made from the heirloom Blenheim apricot, which is primarily grown in California. Unfortunately, farmland devoted to Blenheim apricots has shrunk by more than 80% over the last few decades.
>104 tardis: Oh, good luck!!!
The tart ones I used to love always came from California, and Google says: Tart, tangy dried apricots are most frequently made from the heirloom Blenheim apricot, which is primarily grown in California. Unfortunately, farmland devoted to Blenheim apricots has shrunk by more than 80% over the last few decades.
>104 tardis: Oh, good luck!!!
107Karlstar
>106 clamairy: Unfortunately, increasing sweetness is a trend with almost all fruit, as that's what consumers seem to prefer. We're even making fruit less healthy.
108haydninvienna
Just "walking around" — ouch!
I had an interesting morning yesterday. The reason for the obscure sentence above is that I've apparently done something to my right knee, and it hurts, more at some times than others, but at its worst, bad enough to be, er, bloody painful. Yesterday morning I decided enough was enough, and took myself to the emergency department at Queen Elizabeth II Jubilee Hospital (the very same one in which Mrs H is languishing). Treatment at hospital emergency departments is free here if you have a Medicare card, which everybody does. So I waited a while, and my knee was examined by a very nice lady physiotherapist, and then x-rayed, and I came away with a sort of elastic sleeve on my knee, which helps a lot. She talked about the meniscus in my knee, which I'm a bit vague about, but apparently a small tear in it is painful in just the way I'd been experiencing. It will heal eventually, but if it gets worse I'm to go back.
While I was waiting for the x-rays to be processed and interpreted, I finished reading A Book of Luminous Things, the anthology i mentioned up in #36 and #86. Definitely worth buying my own copy. I was interested to note that there's quite a few Chinese poems in there, translated by several translators, but there's a few translated by Arthur Waley, who was AFAIK the first translator of Chinese poetry into English.
I had an interesting morning yesterday. The reason for the obscure sentence above is that I've apparently done something to my right knee, and it hurts, more at some times than others, but at its worst, bad enough to be, er, bloody painful. Yesterday morning I decided enough was enough, and took myself to the emergency department at Queen Elizabeth II Jubilee Hospital (the very same one in which Mrs H is languishing). Treatment at hospital emergency departments is free here if you have a Medicare card, which everybody does. So I waited a while, and my knee was examined by a very nice lady physiotherapist, and then x-rayed, and I came away with a sort of elastic sleeve on my knee, which helps a lot. She talked about the meniscus in my knee, which I'm a bit vague about, but apparently a small tear in it is painful in just the way I'd been experiencing. It will heal eventually, but if it gets worse I'm to go back.
While I was waiting for the x-rays to be processed and interpreted, I finished reading A Book of Luminous Things, the anthology i mentioned up in #36 and #86. Definitely worth buying my own copy. I was interested to note that there's quite a few Chinese poems in there, translated by several translators, but there's a few translated by Arthur Waley, who was AFAIK the first translator of Chinese poetry into English.
109haydninvienna
Just saw this now (hope the link will open OK for you: Meta’s AI support bot happily handed Instagram accounts to hackers.
ETA: Especially read the last 2 paragraphs. "Nuff said.
ETA: Especially read the last 2 paragraphs. "Nuff said.
110Alexandra_book_life
>108 haydninvienna: Ouch. I hope your knee will get better soon!
111Alexandra_book_life
>109 haydninvienna: 'Nuff said just about sums it up.
112Karlstar
>108 haydninvienna: Meniscus tears, if small, will eventually get better, I hope it doesn't take long! Sounds like your knees must be in generally good condition.

