Olympos

I wish there was less; I wish there was more

”Helen of Troy awakes just before dawn to the sound of air raid sirens.” This is a good first sentence, you have to admit. It’s been eight months since the war between Greeks, Trojans, their moravec allies from outer space and gods of Olympus had started.

This sequel is just as ambitious as Ilium, and just as packed with literary references, ideas, storylines, details. I got an explanation for some things from the first book. Some things still made me want to facepalm and say “but why, but why, what was this?”. There were also awesome world building details that were only there so that the author could describe them and have fun doing that.

I enjoyed following the plot for almost 900 show more pages, but I was not always immersed in the storytelling. There was something there that prevented me from thinking “I am reading such a good book!”, as when there is a tiny stone in your shoe that you can’t get out and can’t enjoy your walk.

I really liked following the Greeks and the Trojans freed from the plot of the Iliad. Note to self: never trust Helen of Troy; she’s been through hell and will not hesitate to put you through hell as well, if it suits her needs. I wish there was more of that, with more moravecs. Humans on Earth, despite all the adventures, danger, tragedy and sacrifice the author put them through, were very boring to me and I wish that story line had been cut in half. There was also a very disturbing and problematic scene that took place on Earth – the book acknowledged it as such – yet there was no legitimate reason for it to be there, except for a number of supposedly titillating pages. They were not. Gaah.

And just like in the first book, the female characters were awesome and badass when they had page time. Yet they were always described in male-gazey way: breasts and lips and nipples and thighs and buttocks all over the place. So weird, and there seemed to be more of that here than in Ilium. It pulled me out of the book every time.

Overall, this book needed an editor brave enough to tell a famous author to cut this, shorten that, please.

The ending, or rather, the endings, since all the plot lines had to be tied neatly with a bow – were satisfying.

I am a bit grumpy about giving this 3.5 stars, but I am nonetheless pleased with this particular reading project. When would I have decided to re-read the Iliad otherwise? (Still on it, still on it!)

Fun quotes:

”Oh, no,” said Mahnmut, ”you’ve been reading that French person again.”

”Proust,” said Orphu. ”That French person’s name is Proust.”

”There’s a forcefield here, son of Peleus.”

”Achilles is considering the possibility that he made a mistake in manoeuvring Zeus into banishing him to the deepest, darkest pit in the hell-world of Tartarus, even though it had seemed like a good idea at the time.” show less

Ilium and Olympos are hardly seperate books, so I have included my review for Ilium below since it applies just as much to Olympos as it did to Ilium.

You'd think, that after Ilium, the "magic" would be kind of gone. We have explored Ilium, Mars and Earth a bit, so Olympos should give us some answers. Except, Simmons doesn't seem to care for that at all and starts to throw all kinds of crazy at the reader in this one. If someone should tell me that they hated the book for doing this to them and then even at the end given them no real satisfaction, I would understand completely. However, it didn't bother me at all. I was content just being dragged through this ludicrous story and being left in just as much confusion as I was at the start. show more I don't really know why, but I feel that that's ok.

(Review for Ilium)

Clearly, Dan Simmons must be insane.

I read the back of the book, I read Simmons before, I should have been prepared.
Seriously though, I loved this book. I read the Iliad during my last year of high school, so a lot of it came back to me reading this, which was nice. I have no knowledge whatsoever about Shakespeare (or Proust) which made some of the more poetically inclined chapters a bit abstract to me. This is of course not Simmons fault, but it did make me feel that I missed out on a piece of the grander story. Also, it did genuinely make me want to know about the plays by Shakespeare, how about that.

There is something about Simmons writing that makes me lose any concept of "sensible". Simmons goes: "Trojan war on parralel universe earth and gods on Mars" and I go: "Okay, go on". Simmons goes: "Robots reflecting on Shakespeare and Proust on the moons of Jupiter" and I go: "Fine". Simmons goes: "Quantum Teleportation, Brane Holes, Little Green Men, Invisibility Hat" and I don't even blink an eye. Any other writer would have got me shouting at the book "Get it together man! This is just getting too much too fast, where in gods name are you going with this?", but for some reason Simmons makes me go: "Sure". This is some kind of magic I thourougly enjoy, and I will be reading much more of Dan Simmons from now on. show less

What started out as an addictive romp trough the Trojan War ended with a whimper. I may still need the Ilium Anonymous Zeus mentions - but it will not be a painful withdrawal.

In this sequel to the amazing Ilium, Simmons continues his delightful interweaving of Shakespeare, Proust, Homer, Virgil and Nabakov (just to name a few) with time travel, robots and genetically modified beings.

However, the abrupt changes in story arcs and subplots are unsettling, and the neat little bows tying up the tale are hard to swallow - even for fans of The Bard’s comedies.

Of special note: the author’s inclusion of the delightfully poignant poem by daughter Jane Simmons may just make up for the plot deficiencies.

I was struck beforehand by the number of surprisingly negative reviews for Olympos. It seemed almost as though the general opinion was that this duology comes off the rails in its second half. I thought the previous book (Ilium) was fantastic, admiring its craftsmanship, so I stubbornly forged ahead. But I decided to outline in advance the questions I would use to decide for myself whether this really was a sequel worth pursuing. Now that I've finished reading it, I can answer those (while trying to remain spoiler-free):

Does Olympos maintain the same pacing and style as Ilium?
Yes, very similar to Ilium. Once it gets moving, the cliff-hanger style for chapter endings kicks in again. Some of the Greek and Trojan characters get to tell show more their point-of-view, which they didn't in Ilium, and it serves the story. Dan Simmons primarily writes horror novels and this was evident in Ilium. It's evident again here, so be ready for that. One cautionary note is that Olympos is arguably more fantasy-esque than the first book; everything still develops very logically and remains consistent (the series doesn't suddenly become Alice in Wonderland), but if you're big on sci-fi while not so much on fantasy then you might find this a turn-off. There's the occasional scene that's rather surreal, yet it's always explicable.

Does it answer the questions left by Ilium?
Yes. It was clear to me in the first volume that there were more great beings than the Greek Gods at work in this universe, and that these would have to be further explored. You may recall in Ilium we met Prospero briefly, and heard of Setebos. This novel reveals considerably more about them. Along the way we get several minor revelations that tie together the different elements and answer the mysteries set up in Ilium. Just as I'd hoped for, Olympos reveals "the strings behind the puppet show". You'll end this duology with an excellent grasp on how this universe came to be and how it operates, who all these players are, and what they want.

Are Ilium's storylines resolved, with satisfying conclusions?
Yes. I'm thinking here of the three stories from Ilium: the old-style humans on Earth, the moravecs from Jupiter, and Hockenberry. When I say satisfying conclusions, I mean adequate coverage and wrap-up for each of them. You're made to wait a while at first regarding what the old-style humans have been up to, but things pick up right where they left off with Hockenberry and the moravecs. Then Hockenberry takes a back seat for a while. But when it's all said and done, you're provided an ending that will satisfy for each thread.

Does Olympos model itself on Homer's Odyssey, like the first book did with the Iliad?
I asked this one as a matter of curiosity. The answer is, yes and no; arguably not as directly. That's nothing that should determine whether you read it or not, unless you were especially looking forward to a closer retelling. Odysseus does play a very key role in the story.

Were there any unusual indications of prejudice on the part of the author?
No. This question was triggered by some particularly curious reviews decrying the author's portrayal of Muslims. This must stem from instances in Olympos where, as facts about this future Earth's history emerge [warning: a very small spoiler here], much wrongdoing and prejudice is attributed to a defunct political entity identified as the Global Caliphate. Nowhere does Simmons' narrative paint all Muslims with one brush or attribute folly to their religion in a general way. Rather, the theme is that humanity is destined to travel dangerous paths in repetition under one religion, ideology, etc. or another, and that such a disaster might as easily occur in one instance as another.

My opinion: you should read Olympos if Ilium was a great ride for you and you liked its mix of sci-fi with fantasy overtones, nothing especially rubbed you the wrong way, and you want to see how things turn out. Doesn't that go for every series? I think a comparison with Steven Erikson's handling of fantasy is apt: Ilium/Olympos isn't something you'd use to introduce someone to sci-fi, but after you're comfortable with the genre and open to trying something unusual that reads a bit like fantasy, this is it. This was as good a ride as the first book, if not better: one wild cliff-hanger after another, several moments of horror, and a liberal sprinkling of 'stand up and cheer' episodes. I honestly can't find what's lacking that everyone else seems to be complaining about, unless it's that sense of the story drifting increasingly far from hard sci-fi. Maybe you need a fantasy-fan streak?

Skip Olympos if Ilium was confusing or unsatisfying for you, or you're just plain tired of all the Greek/Trojan stuff, because this is more of the same. If the most compelling characters for you in Ilium were the old-style Earthlings, you may be frustrated with how long it takes to return to them here (although there's plenty enough about them, once returned to). If you were irritated by Ilium's cliff-hanger chapter endings that sent you off to pursue events in another storyline before returning to see how things turn out in this one, then beware because that same style is used here too. I guess you might also skip Olympos if you thought Ilium sufficiently 'resolved' the story (although I can't imagine why you would).

Bottom line: a consistent, logical, very satisfying 2nd half and conclusion to the story begun in Ilium.

PS: I wanted to read more about moravecs, and found a rough equivalent in Banks' Culture series. show less

Thick, heavy and to most probably intimidating. Civil War amongst the Greek Gods, War both with the heroes of the Iliad and the Odyssey, robots bent on destruction, space cults, love, lust, retribution and the list goes on and on.
Olympos is the conclusion to the epic Dan Simmons Sci Fi opera Ilium. This volume offers many things to the reader, but the length can be daunting. Quite simply it is a book that you have to look at and tell yourself "it is time to go to war." You can fight the book and everything that is packed in it and win…or you can admit to yourself that it is going to be a long ride and just strap yourself in for the duration.
If this and Ilium are your first Simmons books then you are in for a treat. Reading the first show more book is a must before embarking on the ride that is Olympos.
One thing about Simmons for the newcomers to his catalogue. ANY Simmons book you read is going to be 100% unapologetic. Simmons is always going to give you his vision and extend the olive branch to the reader. But he is not going to hold it out for very long. You are either there or are going to be left behind. After reading Olympos it will be come clear that you are dealing with not only a writer but an artist, a seeker and a guide to a literary world in which few other authors can lay claim to.
Highly intelligent and leaving no stone unturned, Olympos is pure genius. Be warned though….the content of the book revolves around several interweaving groups of people. From Greek Gods, Demi-Gods, confused humans, inquisitive and quite capable sentient beings, (Moravecs). To put it mildly… anything you can imagine is in this story. Be prepared to ride along with Sonnet loving robots, and love smitten Greek Heroes. The pacing of Olympos can throw you for a loop, be warned. Once the wheels start turning it takes formidable fortitude to keep up with back and forth of the players involved. Fret not…once you see the pattern it is smooth sailing. show less

I thought Dan Simmons had written himself into a corner with "Ilium," his mind-bending, classic literature sampling, time hopping saga of future Earth and Mars, genetically improved humans, post-humans, cyborgs, and alternative universes.
Luckily, it turns out that Mr. Simmons is a nimble author, and he knew what he was doing when he spun himself a narrative web this complicated.
While "Olympos" was in itself an engaging read, with plenty of action, emotion, and tragedy, I was especially pleased to find that the story went beyond these surface pleasures, and the author had a deeper point to make about the power of human creativity and history and consciousness.
I will probably add these two books to my permanent collection.

This was a doozy of a book, epic in everyway from pagecount to plot, timespan to style. I didn't re-read Ilium before starting this sequel which was probably a mistake as I spent the first 300 pages or so trying to work out what on earth was going on. I couldn't work out whether stuff they were talking about had happened 'on screen' in the previous book or not. There were about 12 pages in the middle of the book where I felt I had a pretty good grasp of what was going on and then everything went to hell in a hand basket again. This isn't to say I didn't hugely enjoy reading Olympus - it's superbly written and doesn't really matter whether you understand what's going on. The characters are engaging, the mini-plots make sense, the style show more is intersting and everything is thrown in with a sort of gleeful abandon that makes it hard not to like. One day I'll go back and read them again and see if it makes more sense, but for now I'm happy to have enjoyed them. show less