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The four children were Primes among the Talents, and all their skills were desperately needed, for the Hivers' terrible Sphere ships were still thrusting through space, carrying death in their labyrinthine depths.Tags
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This book felt like a filler installment. Sure some things happened, mostly in the research on Hivers, but otherwise progress was slow, and the end just dragged more and more.
The attempts at matchmaking throughout the book just feel so forced and gross.
The constant introduction of women focusing on their appearances are totally unnecessary given we don't usually get the same for men, and all characters' competencies speak for themselves.
There appear to be some discrepancies in continuity, unless my memory is going haywire. The first few books included coffee, but in this one suddenly the "stimulant" drinks of choice are peppers, which appear in other of McCaffrey's series. Zara's character bounces around confusingly from refusing to show more hunt animals for food in the previous book to discussing how she's been hunting since childhood in this one, and from feeling sympathy/nonviolence for Hivers on some pages to wanting to eradicate them all on other pages.
The whole thing with Rojer's 'Dinis being cloned wasn't explained well enough. Do they have the memories of the killed pair? If not, they...aren't really Rojer's 'Dinis returned, and it felt like a cop-out narratively.
The series sees its first gay character in Kincaid, and while the characters are surface-level accepting, his treatment rings the warning bells of LGBT rep: a literal quote about him doing whatever he wants in his "private life" since he's so good at his job it "doesn't matter" (an odd assessment given how much straight relationships are focused on without connecting them to their work productivity); the only character to have experienced relationship trauma that he continually struggles to heal from; and the only character to have been in a poly relationship (which was, of course, the toxic one). His character isn't at the forefront of the overall story, but his treatment is so problematic. show less
The attempts at matchmaking throughout the book just feel so forced and gross.
The constant introduction of women focusing on their appearances are totally unnecessary given we don't usually get the same for men, and all characters' competencies speak for themselves.
There appear to be some discrepancies in continuity, unless my memory is going haywire. The first few books included coffee, but in this one suddenly the "stimulant" drinks of choice are peppers, which appear in other of McCaffrey's series. Zara's character bounces around confusingly from refusing to show more hunt animals for food in the previous book to discussing how she's been hunting since childhood in this one, and from feeling sympathy/nonviolence for Hivers on some pages to wanting to eradicate them all on other pages.
The series sees its first gay character in Kincaid, and while the characters are surface-level accepting, his treatment rings the warning bells of LGBT rep: a literal quote about him doing whatever he wants in his "private life" since he's so good at his job it "doesn't matter" (an odd assessment given how much straight relationships are focused on without connecting them to their work productivity); the only character to have experienced relationship trauma that he continually struggles to heal from; and the only character to have been in a poly relationship (which was, of course, the toxic one). His character isn't at the forefront of the overall story, but his treatment is so problematic. show less
Anne McCaffrey is one of my all time favorite sc-fi/fantasy authors. Her 'The Tower and the Hive" series is among my favorite series of all time. The characters are engaging and the story grabs me right about and keeps me interested until the very end. I do feel that story gets a weak towards the middle but it picks up at the end. I definitely enjoy some of the families story lines better than others.
*Book source ~ Home library.
Laria, Thian, Rojer and Zara continue growing, maturing and working for FT&T as the main focus is on finding the remaining Hive spheres and restricting those Hivers that had populated other worlds to those worlds. It’s during his time on the Genesee that Rojer suffers a catastrophic loss and withdraws into himself. This brings The Rowan and Afra, Rojer’s grandmother and father, to the Genesee to search of him demanding explanations. When Rojer is found and sent to Deneb to heal, Thian takes over his position. The Rowan and Thian perform what becomes known as the Genesee ploy when they steal a Hive sphere orbiting a Hive world. Everything escalates after this incident.
Once again, there is a lot going on in show more the Talent Universe as Laria, Thian, Rojer, Zara and everyone else works to find the Hive spheres and to find the system most compatible with the Hivers sun, so they have an idea where the Hivers are going. They need to plot the universe and identify the planets the Hivers have colonized, those they bypassed and those they abandoned. Planets that have been abandoned need to be explored to see if they can be salvaged and planets that have been colonized need to have the spheres in orbit taken out so the Hivers can’t leave and ruin other planets. The Talents are instrumental in the space fleet traveling so far away from their home worlds. Without their teleportation and telekinesis no one would have been able to survive so far from supplies and reinforcements.
After Rojer’s loss, we find out more about the Mrdini. Laria is having a hard time on Clarf only because she’s a bit lonely for a male companion. Having everyone come home for vacation was a nice scene and watching Jeff, as Earth Prime, deal with non-talented military idiots is a treat to behold. As the rest of the descendants of The Rowan and Jeff Raven grow and mature they begin finding their own mates. Exploring and protecting the universe is no small undertaking and they are going to need all of the Talent they can get if they are going to do everything they want to do. All-in-all a great epic sci-fi/fantasy, even if it is coming to an end. show less
Laria, Thian, Rojer and Zara continue growing, maturing and working for FT&T as the main focus is on finding the remaining Hive spheres and restricting those Hivers that had populated other worlds to those worlds. It’s during his time on the Genesee that Rojer suffers a catastrophic loss and withdraws into himself. This brings The Rowan and Afra, Rojer’s grandmother and father, to the Genesee to search of him demanding explanations. When Rojer is found and sent to Deneb to heal, Thian takes over his position. The Rowan and Thian perform what becomes known as the Genesee ploy when they steal a Hive sphere orbiting a Hive world. Everything escalates after this incident.
Once again, there is a lot going on in show more the Talent Universe as Laria, Thian, Rojer, Zara and everyone else works to find the Hive spheres and to find the system most compatible with the Hivers sun, so they have an idea where the Hivers are going. They need to plot the universe and identify the planets the Hivers have colonized, those they bypassed and those they abandoned. Planets that have been abandoned need to be explored to see if they can be salvaged and planets that have been colonized need to have the spheres in orbit taken out so the Hivers can’t leave and ruin other planets. The Talents are instrumental in the space fleet traveling so far away from their home worlds. Without their teleportation and telekinesis no one would have been able to survive so far from supplies and reinforcements.
After Rojer’s loss, we find out more about the Mrdini. Laria is having a hard time on Clarf only because she’s a bit lonely for a male companion. Having everyone come home for vacation was a nice scene and watching Jeff, as Earth Prime, deal with non-talented military idiots is a treat to behold. As the rest of the descendants of The Rowan and Jeff Raven grow and mature they begin finding their own mates. Exploring and protecting the universe is no small undertaking and they are going to need all of the Talent they can get if they are going to do everything they want to do. All-in-all a great epic sci-fi/fantasy, even if it is coming to an end. show less
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81 points, 4 ¼ stars!
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Lyon's Pride is the continuation of the story from the previous book, Damia's Children. It picks up exactly where the last book left off. Probably because the previous book just arbitrarily ended when it got to the proper word count and left the rest for this book.
This just had an amazingly slow start. Honestly, not much of note happened in the first SIXTY PERCENT of the book. It felt like I was just spinning show more around, waiting for something to actually happen. We kept covering over old ground and posing as if it was new ground. I was bored. I want to love these kids so much, but I am just dreadfully bored by them.
Ostensibly this is supposed to be dealing with the Hive. The Humans and Dini have to find out more information about the Hive. And they have to figure out what they are going to do when they find it. Both races have tried to communicate with the Hive, but the Hive don't even appear to notice other beings exist.
What Lyon's Pride is really about is managing resources and personnel. So much talking about who goes where, who ships what, how to ship what. It's so boring. It is also about arranging love interests, which personally I find cute but am growing a bit tired of after the second book in a row of this. Also it is about giving the kids some time off. A lot of talking about the kids having vacation time. So much book time.
Also holy hell they're drafting like 12 year olds into work now. What the crap, man. I thought it was bad when before. The kids would hit 16 and FT&T is like "welp, guess you're an adult now, time to have a whole shitload of responsibility and almost no time off!" Nope. Twelve year olds now. This is crazy. How much younger are they going to force these kids to work in the future??
Lyon's Pride kind of turned into a military space opera by the end. Which I kind of liked. However, this also had the same problem as the previous book. The book just kind of ends at the appropriate word count. No resolutions, no climax. It just..stops. show less
81 points, 4 ¼ stars!
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“It must be an amazing mind-set, Afra thought, to consider one’s self the only being of worth in the galaxy. There had been Humans who had had such delusions. They had generally died because of them”
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Lyon's Pride is the continuation of the story from the previous book, Damia's Children. It picks up exactly where the last book left off. Probably because the previous book just arbitrarily ended when it got to the proper word count and left the rest for this book.
This just had an amazingly slow start. Honestly, not much of note happened in the first SIXTY PERCENT of the book. It felt like I was just spinning show more around, waiting for something to actually happen. We kept covering over old ground and posing as if it was new ground. I was bored. I want to love these kids so much, but I am just dreadfully bored by them.
Ostensibly this is supposed to be dealing with the Hive. The Humans and Dini have to find out more information about the Hive. And they have to figure out what they are going to do when they find it. Both races have tried to communicate with the Hive, but the Hive don't even appear to notice other beings exist.
What Lyon's Pride is really about is managing resources and personnel. So much talking about who goes where, who ships what, how to ship what. It's so boring. It is also about arranging love interests, which personally I find cute but am growing a bit tired of after the second book in a row of this. Also it is about giving the kids some time off. A lot of talking about the kids having vacation time. So much book time.
Also holy hell they're drafting like 12 year olds into work now. What the crap, man. I thought it was bad when before. The kids would hit 16 and FT&T is like "welp, guess you're an adult now, time to have a whole shitload of responsibility and almost no time off!" Nope. Twelve year olds now. This is crazy. How much younger are they going to force these kids to work in the future??
Lyon's Pride kind of turned into a military space opera by the end. Which I kind of liked. However, this also had the same problem as the previous book. The book just kind of ends at the appropriate word count. No resolutions, no climax. It just..stops. show less
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The pursuit of the Hives continues with a larger number of the Lyon/Gwyn/Raven clan recruited.The human and Mrdini allies work together-mostly- to find a way to defeat Hive ships. Parts of this one are kind of slow and there is a focus on the military in this one. It is a bridge between Damia's Children and the next book and does not really stand on it's own in any way.
The pursuit of the Hives continues with a larger number of the Lyon/Gwyn/Raven clan recruited.The human and Mrdini allies work together-mostly- to find a way to defeat Hive ships. Parts of this one are kind of slow and there is a focus on the military in this one. It is a bridge between Damia's Children and the next book and does not really stand on it's own in any way.
I am reviewing this as a short break from reviewing the (good) books we have the only copy on library thing of, yet (grammar!)
This is the most popular book in our collection without a review. And - unlike the suprisingly unloved which I usually review - I can understand why no-one wants to talk about this book!
Lyon's Pride is a classic McCaffrey pot-boiler: a follow-up to a not particularly strong original.
This is the most popular book in our collection without a review. And - unlike the suprisingly unloved which I usually review - I can understand why no-one wants to talk about this book!
Lyon's Pride is a classic McCaffrey pot-boiler: a follow-up to a not particularly strong original.
Excellent read, adventurous, lots of charismatic characters, progression of history , only one more book to go, I shall be sorry to come to the end of this series.
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Anne McCaffrey was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts on April 1, 1926. She received a degree in Slavonic languages from Radcliffe College. She worked in advertising for Helena Rubenstein from 1947 to 1952. Her first publication was a short story in Science Fiction Magazine, and her first novel, Restoree, was published in 1967. She is a well-known show more author of over 100 books, mostly science fiction, including the Dragonriders of Pern series, the Crystal Singer series, Acorna's Children series, The Twins of Petaybee series, and Barque Cats series. She won numerous awards including the Hugo Award for Best Novella for the short story Weyr Search in 1968 and the Nebula Award for Best Novella for Dragonrider in 1969. In 2006, she was inducted into the Science Fiction Hall of Fame. She has also written books under the pseudonym Jody Lynn. She died of a stroke on November 21, 2011 at the age of 85. (Bowker Author Biography) show less
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- Lyon's Pride
- Original publication date
- 1994
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- Althian Thian Raven-Lyon; Laria Raven-Lyon-Dano; TPL/TIP; /HUF; Rojer Raven-Lyon; GRL/GIL (show all 86); KTG/KAT; Damia Gwyn-Raven-Lyon; TRP/TIP/; Afra Lyon; FLK/FOK/; Jeff Raven; Angharad The Rowan Gwyn; Zara Raven-Lyon; /PAL; /DIS; Alison Anne Gravy Greevy-Lyon; Flavia Bastianmajani; Asia Eagle; Rhodri Eagle; Clancy Sparrow; Semirame Kloo; Ashiant; Etienne Osullivan; Vestapia Soligen; Kincaid Dano; NPL/NIP; PLS/PLUS; Mallen Bastianmajani; Jesper Ornigo; STEVENCE; hisalg; buzbeth hawk; Enarit Del Falco; GLMTML; Semirame Rame Kloo; Forries; Beva Margalis; Baldwin; Morag Raven-Lyon; FIP; KIM; Petra Raven-Lyon; BIG; SIL; Alicia Eagles; Vestepia Soligen; Morgelle; Brikowski; SPKTM; Yuri Tikele; Cera Gwyn-Raven-Hilk; Clark Bremerton; Sparks [The Talents Universe]; Bastian; Maharanjani; Yoshuk; Nesrun; Clarrissa Negarip; David; Stierlman; Vanteer; /DIG; /NIM; Lionasha; /FIG; /SIL; Jeran Gwyn-Raven; Ezro Gwyn-Raven; PRTGLM; Tohl Mekturian; Gktmglnt; Metrios; Anis Langio; Quacho; Istvan Mrkovk; Doplas; Yaigocelen; Eri Gander; EXO; Sedia Mehet; MRTGRTS; Giljkat Dien; Isthia - Raven; Tollent; Mallin Bastianmajani
- Important places
- Iota Aurigae; Clarf; Deneb; Alliance Starship Genesee; Alliance Starship Washington; Hiver Planet Xh-33
- Important events
- discovery of non-aggressive, pastoral hiver world
- Dedication
- This book is dedicated to
MATTHEW HARGREAVES
for all the hard work, effort and time that he expended in nailing down an excellent bibliography of all the works by this grateful author
(except this one whi... (show all)ch wasn't written yet!) - First words
- During the course of the next few weeks, while Rojer waited for his older brother, Thian, to replace him on board the Genesee, he spent a great deal more time on the bridge than he had originally thought he would.
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- (Click to show. Warning: May contain spoilers.)That I'd be doing this with you a long time!
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