The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America

This is one of those books I would have quickly dismissed only 7 years ago. Nowadays, I am approaching it from the more practical side.

First thing first title of the book is clickbait of sorts. Although WW2 Nazi members play the role within the society post WW2 book is actually about powerful financial and technological elite that does not follow any creed or religion, they only seek power. When one checks their involvement in the world affairs - and trust me names that show up here, show up also in some very serious books on tangential subjects - one can see how only purpose for all of these powerful individuals, families and corporations is establishing control over the population, controling the way people think, work and procreate. show more Since 1900 due to extremely dynamic technological changes events, domestic and international, led the world into hands of technocrats and scientists that were given free reign to do whatever they want as long as they are not caught. And when caught they are just moved to new projects. Goal is to create a template of worker drone, that will be tame, completely neutered and not ready to raise voice and question what is going around him. It is not dumbing necessarily through drugs but through very subtle control like political correctness, new terms, gaslighting on major issues and general confusion. As author says it is very difficult to decide which way to go - way of blessed ignorance or way of knowing what is going on but ending completely isolated by rest of community.

As I said only 6 or 8 years ago this would be ridicuolous to me, but taking into account how indenpendent thought was handled during epidemic, levels of supression of anybody thinking against main current, testing of certain approaches in specific countries (UK and Australia being one of the most prominent) and then applying this throughout the rest of the world as option, but option without which it is not possible to live ..... it is very hard not to see parallels. And I wont even go into various armed conflicts in last couple of years and absolutely astounding outright lies and manipulations that just flood the world news.

True title would be rise of fascism, although Nazism could be seen by many as one of the very similar political organizations, almost equivalent. There is one very specific difference - religion and cult of divine nature of the people of the land, Nazism was quasi religion. This is why Nazism is in the title, I guess, although I suspect it just sounds much better than Fascism (I mean everyone is in trans when it comes to WW2 Germany, not that much when it comes to WW2 Italy).

Used as a working laboratory for development of various technological - including electronics, nuclear and biological/pharmaceutical - research lots of things that where learned through application on unsuspecting people in WW2 Germany and in interment and concentration camps proved to be invaluable when Cold War started. It is very easy to find people with scrupules but when actual zealots from deranged political system like Nazism are given free hand to teach others how to fight "the enemy" it is very easy to see how things can very easily go off the cliff.

Yes there are mentions of some fantastic stuff - like Templars fortunes, Nazi developed tactical nuclear weapons (although this sounds very similar to what took place during Israel and South Africa nuclear development) and various aircraft - but when one sits down and thinks, not all of this is that much incredible. When somebody thinks about fortune that is not necessary money, gold or gems - it can easily be nothing more than archive or ledger book, just look at mayhem those dreadful file revelations have brought up. For these people money is required but it is not a must-have, they always have other means, other assets as they like to say - factories, influence, networks, leverages. Also when talking about weapons, especially nuclear weapons - who says there is just one way to develop a nuclear weapon, we only know about developments that were made public - do we truly know all? In time when conventional explosives are so powerful they can be placed in ever smaller delivery objects, are we to say how it is impossible to develop miniaturized nuclear weapons?

Basically what happened according to the author is that world elite, for all means and purposes megalomaniacs all, decided that they are the only ones who know how to direct the world. Since it would be too much on the nose to do anything directly in countries like UK, USA, France, pariah countries of the time - USSR and Nazi Germany - were simultaneously supported and results of research these governments worked on were accumulated at the end of WW2, where due to propaganda Germany was now ally while USSR was seen as enemy. Influx of scientists and technology experts from various fields only on merit of their skill allowed the Nazi ideology - marriage of technology and social science in most disturbing way - to find its way into western society, namely USA. It is easy to see why - it was all for power and for profit after all, so not that different from the way of thinking of mentioned elites but also industrial world of capitalist West.

With time, these characteristics have evolved into the view of the world as baby that needs to be nurtured by USA (and its allies). Because USA started to see itself as nation with divine mission. While it continued to grow into empire as it is seen today, grave social changes took place that, due to the abnormal amount of gaslighting and sheer amount of contradictions, enforcement of certain ways of life that make no sense, created a society that can be easily influenced through various means - from education, work, drugs, media. USA was a starting point from where this started to spread around. It's isolation helped a lot because who cares about what happens overseas - we know we are right! is there better lab?

This gigantic mechanism that even at the time when author wrote the book also included creation of various catalogue databases for population monitoring basically became an organism of itself. Purpose is nothing more than power and consumption. What runs it is cold, merciless, scientific reasoning that has become so apart from actual human nature it is incredible. What is valued is what can be farmed from the person - everything is monetized, measured and assigned value. This society does not need people who wonder around - they need 1% of thinkers and 99% of mindless workers to work as slaves for elites.

It is interesting how all of these themed came out publicly in many books, conferences (check Harrari) where in small doses people are divided into those that have value and those that can only eat, sh*t and play games. And everyone goes with this, of course. Although one might ask oneself why do people think that? Do you truly think everyone thinks that they are not in that 1%? This types of social divisions slowly take part, break up families, make people very aware of what they talk and what they do in order not to get completely cancelled and left without means to live. That is the complete control Nazis and Italian fascists dreamed about.

Very interesting and very troubling book. You might think "Nazis again" but this is just the title, Nazis actually play a support role here. And as far as I can see taking into account level of involvement of almost anyone who achieved anything in their life in that sick island perversion, it is more than obvious that elites and common folk are so divided they could just be from different planets. Keep the open mind, skip some more fantastic elements but stick to citations (loooots of them) and references. Very, very disturbing. If anything you will end up with whole bunch of books to seek out next.

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The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America
By Jim Marrs
William Morrow/HarperCollins (2009)
Review by Karl Wolff

First off, I'm a big fan of Oliver Stone's epic conspiracy thriller JFK. I also enjoy James Spader camping it up in The Blacklist. With that said, I've come to terms with enjoying most Oliver Stone movies, but finding his brand of ideology naive and troublesome. As Nathan Rabin said in his book My Year of Flops about the film W, "there comes a moment in every cinephile's intellectual and creative development when he or she comes to realize that Oliver Stone is full of shit." I continue to enjoy the baroque styling and lurid paranoia of JFK compelling as a narrative. Stone's screenplay show more was partially based on Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, by conspiracy author Jim Marrs. While the film raises many, many important questions about the behavior of American law enforcement and intelligence agencies, it isn't the same as cold, hard historical fact.

In 1967, Richard Hofstader wrote "The distinguishing thing about the paranoid style is not that its exponents see conspiracies or plots here and there in history, but that they regard a "vast" or "gigantic" conspiracy as the motive force in historical events. History is a conspiracy." (Italics in original.)* Jim Marrs falls into the later category. His book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America, posits America is under the sway of Wall Street, globalists, Nazis, Nazi sympathizers, and secret societies. Once again, as with JFK, Marrs can write a sweeping narrative full of fascinating details. To call it historically accurate would be a travesty.

I read this as someone privileged with an advanced degree in History. Studying the history of the United States, one encounters The Master Narrative. Think Ken Burns, David McCullough, Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Shelby Foote. This is the history you learn in high school and college. The names and dates falling into place to create a story about freedom, progress, civil rights, and rugged individualism. Various identity groups (Native Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, gays, women, etc.) have worked hard to create their own counter-narratives. If included at all, these groups would be seen as nothing more than token sidebars in the Master Narrative. Conspiracy theorists also create their own counter-narrative to American myths and hagiography.

In A Few Good Men Daniel Kaffee (Tom Cruise) says, "It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove." Kaffee is a lawyer doing his best to get his clients acquitted of murder. The practice of history is not about right and wrong, it is about what the historian can prove. In order to win the case, or in this instance, to compel the reader to believe the United States has been infiltrated by Nazis wanting to create a Fourth Reich. ("Hail HYDRA!") As a piece of tabloid sensationalism, The Rise of the Fourth Reich excels and entertains. As a piece of historical investigation, it falls flat in spectacular fashion. Throughout my reading experience, I was constantly shuffling back and forth between the text and the footnotes. (Arguably, one of the worst examples of citation.) Jim Marrs has no credible proof. He has innuendo, hyperbole, guilt by association, and poor reasoning.

The book cites evidence from The Institute of Historical Review (a notorious institution of Holocaust-denial), Adventures Unlimited (a conspiracy theory mill), and The New Benjamin Franklin House Press (an organ of Lyndon LaRouche). These get buried amid more mainstream sources ranging from websites to history books. It doesn't help that Marrs gets his information about the Third Reich from The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich, by William L. Shirer. It's not a bad book, but it was published in 1969. Since this was published in 2009, he could have picked more recent scholarship and traced the current trends in the historiography of the Third Reich. But that would mean Jim Marrs is a serious scholar, not a third-rate hack. The book also contains laughable mistakes like misspelling Victorian novelist Edward Bulwar-Lytton (not Bulward Liton, jackass!).

The book also has some great howlers, including:

"Apparently, overseas communication between the Nazis in America and the Nazis in Russia continued unabated, which has raised the possibility of a parallel space race controlled or manipulated by the very globalists who had created and financed both communism and the Third Reich." (Ah, yes, go with the sensible explanation.)

"Numerous Web sites and periodicals have carried the accusation that sodium fluoride was placed in the drinking water of Nazi concentration camps to keep the inmates pacified and susceptible to external control." (I'm not sure if this is offensive or stupid or a combination of the two. Barbed-wire, starvation conditions, and SS men with guns pointed at you are also effective measures of pacification.)

"It should be noted that [George H.W.]Bush's name--including his then little-publicized nickname "Poppy," which has caused many to wonder if this referred to his parenthood or the narcotic plant--address, and phone number were found in the personal notebook of oil geologist George DeMohrenschildt, the last known close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald." (I'm no fan of the guy, but come on! The "Poppy" thing comes across as desperate and reaching.)

When one peels back all the innuendo, hysteria, and paranoia, it leaves a rather tenuous premise: The United States is secretly run by a bunch of rich Wall Street types who are members of The Council of Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateralists, and, of course, Illuminati and Freemasons. I wonder if Jim Marrs knows that the SS had its own division investigating the Freemasons? Membership in any one of these groups immediately makes someone suspect and inherently evil. Marrs even tars Jimmy Carter as a Trilateralist pawn, even though Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter's National Security advisor, actually created the organization. Carter had his faults, like every other politician, but this book's circular logic is pathetic.

Or, to put it another way, here's Jim Garrison reviewing The Warren Report from the movie JFK, "Again and again they ignore credible testimony, leads are never followed up, its conclusions are selective, there's no index, it's one of the sloppiest, most disorganized investigations I've ever seen."

But why do people fall for conspiracy theories? The present situation doesn't help. It's common knowledge about the revolving door between government and private industry. Money has corrupted everything in the election process, turning every candidate into a groveling lap dog to big-dollar donors. Conspiracy theories help make sense of the situation. It also absolves people of individual agency. We get to live a consequence-free existence. That isn't to say what Marrs said is untrue, since countless politicians, moguls, and business leaders belong to secretive organization. But to imply they are somehow orchestrating world events takes a heroic leap in logic. If anything, these secretive puppet-masters are doing a terrible job. Wouldn't peace be more profitable? Why would they want to kill their own customers? It defies commonsense logic.

In my own case, I'm a skeptic of The Official Story of the American Master Narrative. But the recently exposed misdeeds of the CIA under Allen Dulles and the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover makes Marrs's assertions half-right. From the Kennedy assassination to Watergate, it was a paranoid time in American history. Just look at the fiction of Thomas Pynchon. I have many doubts about the Lee Harvey Oswald Lone Gunman theory. The closer one looks, the more the Official Story begins to fray. On the other hand, saying 9/11 was an inside job is giving the Dubya Administration too much credit. If anything, Hurricane Katrina proved the only principle the White House ran on was the Peter Principle.

The challenge with reading something like this is the echo chamber effect. Over and over, Jim Marrs writes about how this or that conspiracy researcher makes some claim. It's the same problem with social media. Liberals only talking to liberals, conservatives only talking to conservatives, and so forth. This has led to a kind of critical illiteracy. Akin to cultural illiteracy, critical illiteracy is an ability to spot fallacious arguments, poor sources, and to formulate relevant questions. One has to know how to think before one can think for oneself. Conspiracy theory becomes a kind of dogma, since each thinks he or she has found THE TRUTH. Then questioning this Truth becomes an act of heresy. Try asking a conspiracy theorist about their sources and reasoning and you might get accused of being one of Them. If you don't agree with The Truth, then you are an apologist for The Official Story. (It doesn't help that the sectors under investigation - intelligence agencies, corporations, the federal government - are good at hiding their tracks. On the other hand: The Freedom of Information Act.) Perhaps the best remedy is a dose of equal opportunity skepticism. Be skeptical of The Official Story, but also be skeptical of the conspiracy theorist hawking The Truth. (In the case of Jim Marrs, a conspiracy theorist who has been published by a mainstream publisher, Random House. Not exactly an underground press. If Marrs really was dangerous and these secret societies so evil and ruthless, why is he still alive? The Nazis had a way of dealing with their vocal opposition.)

The Rise of the Fourth Reich has countless problems with sources and interpretation. For those interested in the nefarious misdeeds of the Dulles-era CIA, I would recommend reading The Devil's Chessboard, by David Talbot. While far from perfect, it has credible sourcing and a sensible (and sensibly limited) interpretive framework.

*This is quoted in Devon Jackson's Conspiranoia! The Mother of All Conspiracies, my previous installment in American Odd

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“Since the war was lost, the “enemy lines” meant, quite literally, a new kind of special guerilla warfare was to be waged from a postwar Nazi underground, quite literally, “behind enemy lines” which would in the aftermath of the war, cover the entire globe, and that warfare was deliberately conceived in conjunction with an advanced technology that, in the hands of Weltanschauungskrieg experts, would be used to spread fear, terror, confusion, and thereby to demoralize the enemy, short circuit his world-interpretation and decision making process….But what precisely, was that technology?”

– Joseph P. Farrel, Saucers, Swastikas And PsyOps – A History Of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies And show more Psychological Operations

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

“The hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say, without bothering the brain but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult, all this is the dangerous element, and the element I have taken over.”

– Adolf Hitler

In this tour de force, The Rise Of The Fourth Reich – The Secret Societies That Threaten To Take Over America, Jim Marrs does unparalleled work in exposing an extensive amount of data regarding the Nazis that you will not get taught in school.

As its often said, history is written by the winners, and an odd history it is that most people know very little about the Nazis except for what they have heard about from the mainstream media.

One quick, yet notable example of how history is twisted, is the fact that much of the populace is blind to the fact that America, the Vatican, as well as other countries funneled Nazis through ratlines in droves. If that were it, it would be bad enough. However, many of those very high-ranking criminal Nazis were given positions of power within the establishment of the time via Project Paperclip; most notable of those is Dr. Wehrner Von Braun, who in later years became the head of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]. Other high ranking Nazis brought over in such a manner include Kurt Diebner, Otto Hahn often called “the father of nuclear chemistry” Walter Gerlach, and many others.

Therein, by 1955, nearly a thousand German scientists had been funneled into the United States and given vital positions within the American Scientific community. This gave firm roots to what Jim Marrs calls ‘The Fourth Reich’, within the American Landscape.

An examination of those very Nazi roots within the American establishment is what Marrs carries out in this landmark book.

From his foray into the strangeness of Rudolf Hess and his particular case, to an examination of what is oft-termed ‘Nazi Wonder Weapons’, Marrs – like a heat seeking missile – locks into the most keen of aspects in his extensive synopsis of the Nazi abstruse lore.

Another great topic of note that affects our everyday lives – yet has its nascent stages within the Nazi history – is the one of the neurotoxin Fluoride. Unbeknownst too many is the fact that not only is this toxin put into the water supply, but it also causes extensive detrimental side effects such as lower IQ [as Harvard studies find], mental retardation, brain damage, skeletal fluorosis, increased bone fractures, genetic damage, dental fluorosis, gastrointestinal disturbances. Marrs also covers the noxious Aspartame, which the FDA knows has 92 potential side effects, but still pushed it through since it was Donald Rumsfeld’s Bioweapon Legacy.

Some of the other topics touched upon by Marrs include the Nazi Mind Control programs [that aided in the spawning of the infamous MK-Ultra Mind Control program], as well as the elite & corporate ties to the Nazis, the Nazi connections to the pharmaceutical industry, I.G. Farben and their love for eugenics, the pervasive control of mainstream media, and a whole lot more.

Calling this merely a great book would be an understatement. This particular well researched piece is a veritable library of references for the inquiring individual. It is as well rounded as it is incisive. Not having it would be a great disservice to those wishing to understand the current criminals in a plethora of positions powers such as politics, finance, banking, etc. whose ties lead back to some these nefarious roots.

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Other suggested books on the topic:

The Third Way – The Nazi International, European Union, And Corporate Fascism by Joseph P. Farrel
Nazi International – The Nazis’ Postwar Plan To Control Finance, Conflict, Physics and Space by Joseph P. Farrell
Saucers, Swastikas And PsyOps – A History Of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies And Psychological Operations, by Joseph P. Farrell
Ratline – Soviet Spies, Nazi Priests, and the Disappearance of Adolf Hitler by Peter Levenda
Unholy Alliance – A History Of Nazi Involvement In The Occult, by Peter Levenda
The Hitler Legacy – The Nazi Cult In Diaspora by Peter Levenda show less

Lots of fascinating stuff. Solidly backed and only conservatively reasoned, few if any assertion-by-suggestion (unlike, say, [b:The Secret History of the World|1841964|The Secret History of the World|Jonathan Black|https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347596754s/1841964.jpg|1842201] which is 400 long pages of painfully tenuous suggestions cobbled together to make a pile of sticks).

Some of this stuff you know.

Some of this stuff is completely out there, but with references and names for your own future research

Some of this stuff is collections of stuff you already know (Paperclip, South America, the Gaelen Orgn, Bush family history, the early economy of fissile materials) laid out side by side so that you, too, can go "Whoa, hold on a show more minute!"

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Marrs is a PRO at stringing together bits and pieces from just about every conspiracy theory known to man into a syntactically coherent - if not thematically easy to follow - 448-page-long shout from the watchtower that every loopy conspiracy theory --part fun, part paranoia-- that you may or may not have ever heard is either true, is somehow connected to individuals cited as sources of other "truths," or is now more likely than ever to finally come to pass. Marrs churns it out with a writing style of a seasoned college professor (don't know if he is) or burnt-out journalist permitting himself to have fun with what would otherwise turn out to be an excruciatingly boring writing career. I wish I could churn this stuff out like him - show more Definitely not the worst way to pay the bills! show less

Seriously, this book is rated four stars?!? It's just a conspiracy theory gold mine. All kinds of references without qualifications ... "...but X may not have actually died and may have lived in some other country..." as Mr. Unknown Author wrote (um... who?... and what qualifications does this person have to be authoritative? Sheesh, I couldn't get through it. It was fun at first to see how someone can throw bits and pieces together into a wildly convoluted theory but that interest didn't last long. Well, whatever, but I'm not giving it 4 stars.

Good book and very alarming. I don't know if i believe all they had to say but where there is smoke there is fire.