Jeanne Thornton
Author of A/S/L
About the Author
Works by Jeanne Thornton
Associated Works
Meanwhile, Elsewhere: Science Fiction and Fantasy from Transgender Writers (2017) — Contributor — 181 copies, 2 reviews
Transcendent 2: The Year's Best Transgender Speculative Fiction (2017) — Contributor — 51 copies, 1 review
Tumblr Porn (Remember the Internet, vol. 1) (Remember the Internet, 1) (2020) — Cover artist — 18 copies, 1 review
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- Birthdate
- 1983
- Gender
- female
- Occupations
- copublisher, Instar Books
- Awards and honors
- Judith A Markowitz Emerging Writers Award
Lambda Literary Fellow - Nationality
- USA
- Birthplace
- Muskegon, Michigan, USA
- Places of residence
- Austin, Texas, USA
- Associated Place (for map)
- USA
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Reviews
DNF at Page 245
For those of you who have seen “Say Anything” I will ask you to summon Lili Taylor’s character in that film and then imagine that she wrote and published a novel. This is that novel. The main character, and it certainly seems the writer, are a quivering ball of angst and hurt feelings and intelligence and unrealized potential. (If you haven’t seen Say Anything, cancel your plans for the evening, fire up the HBOMax and get on that. It is, with apologies to John Hughes, show more the best teen romantic comedy ever and the second or third best Cameron Crowe movie.)
Last week I was on vacation in a mid-size city in the Pacific Northwest and my sister and I went to the art museum one rainy day. The museum has two buildings, one of which is very well curated and chock full of interesting, and some very good, regional artists that people outside of the region would likely be unfamiliar with. The other building was the modern wing, and it is 90+% filled with not good to downright terrible pieces. I had been unaware that there were bad Water LIllies panels before I got here. This museum does not have the funds to compete with large museums for works by brand name artist like Monet, Degas, and Renoir but they want to have them, so they have the throw away junk. The rest of the collection is the kind of art that reminds me why people resent art. There is a piece by a guy who held a pencil over paper as he rode the New York subway every day, and however the train jolted or moved the pencil roamed. And then someone bought this. So as we were walking through thinking derisive thoughts about the collection my sister looked at me and I said “well some of these artists totally got the conceptual part down, they just forgot about the art.” That quote encapsulates how I felt about Summer Fun.
This book is filled with good ideas, and with some really well written passages. That said there are some fatal flaws.
First, the entire structure makes no sense. This is an epistolary novel, all letters going in one direction, from a trans witch named Gala to a fictionalized Brian Wilson. In the letters Gala tells Brian about HIS life. A. How would she know all this detailed info about his experiences, and B. Why would he need to be told his own life?
The book is overwritten. Thornton is the Bob Ross of writing. She has talent, there is a moment when there is a beautiful product, but the artist does not know when to stop? For example, there is a line where Gala, touches the face of another character, a yawn-worthy manic pixie dream girl who Gala crushes on, askes Gala to feel her head for fever. When asked how it feels Gala's first thought is “sebaceous” which is funny, but then she continues “it feels like fried food.” First, that makes no sense and second you just said she felt oily, why say it another way? Thornton does this over and over. It takes away the punch of the prose and makes what should have been a 275 page book into a 432 page book.
The characters other than Gala are cliches, and not good ones.
As mentioned there are some great concepts/themes here. I liked the look at fandom and the ways in which people might use that process to define their identity to to invent parallels between themselves and famous people or characters to make them feel like they themselves have worth.
The book has many sparks of wit well-deployed. BUT my god this needed an editor so badly! First to make some sense of the structure and the weird decision to report your imagination of someone’s life to that someone, second to take out all the detritus – Thornton cannot think a word without including it. Third, to excise the long portions of this where absolutely nothing happens. (There is a reference Warhol’s film Sleep, and that seemed apt - -that is 5 and a half hours of watching John Giorno sleep.) Fourth, an editor could have helped to make Ronda and Caroline matter to the narrative other than as ways to set up series of events. There is good stuff here, but it’s a mess.
All that said, i look forward to reading more of Thornton's work. She has talent I think and a unique voice. With a good editor and an understanding that a book should not include every thought you have (unless you don't think a whole lot which is not the case here) I think Thornton could write some great things. show less
For those of you who have seen “Say Anything” I will ask you to summon Lili Taylor’s character in that film and then imagine that she wrote and published a novel. This is that novel. The main character, and it certainly seems the writer, are a quivering ball of angst and hurt feelings and intelligence and unrealized potential. (If you haven’t seen Say Anything, cancel your plans for the evening, fire up the HBOMax and get on that. It is, with apologies to John Hughes, show more the best teen romantic comedy ever and the second or third best Cameron Crowe movie.)
Last week I was on vacation in a mid-size city in the Pacific Northwest and my sister and I went to the art museum one rainy day. The museum has two buildings, one of which is very well curated and chock full of interesting, and some very good, regional artists that people outside of the region would likely be unfamiliar with. The other building was the modern wing, and it is 90+% filled with not good to downright terrible pieces. I had been unaware that there were bad Water LIllies panels before I got here. This museum does not have the funds to compete with large museums for works by brand name artist like Monet, Degas, and Renoir but they want to have them, so they have the throw away junk. The rest of the collection is the kind of art that reminds me why people resent art. There is a piece by a guy who held a pencil over paper as he rode the New York subway every day, and however the train jolted or moved the pencil roamed. And then someone bought this. So as we were walking through thinking derisive thoughts about the collection my sister looked at me and I said “well some of these artists totally got the conceptual part down, they just forgot about the art.” That quote encapsulates how I felt about Summer Fun.
This book is filled with good ideas, and with some really well written passages. That said there are some fatal flaws.
First, the entire structure makes no sense. This is an epistolary novel, all letters going in one direction, from a trans witch named Gala to a fictionalized Brian Wilson. In the letters Gala tells Brian about HIS life. A. How would she know all this detailed info about his experiences, and B. Why would he need to be told his own life?
The book is overwritten. Thornton is the Bob Ross of writing. She has talent, there is a moment when there is a beautiful product, but the artist does not know when to stop? For example, there is a line where Gala, touches the face of another character, a yawn-worthy manic pixie dream girl who Gala crushes on, askes Gala to feel her head for fever. When asked how it feels Gala's first thought is “sebaceous” which is funny, but then she continues “it feels like fried food.” First, that makes no sense and second you just said she felt oily, why say it another way? Thornton does this over and over. It takes away the punch of the prose and makes what should have been a 275 page book into a 432 page book.
The characters other than Gala are cliches, and not good ones.
As mentioned there are some great concepts/themes here. I liked the look at fandom and the ways in which people might use that process to define their identity to to invent parallels between themselves and famous people or characters to make them feel like they themselves have worth.
The book has many sparks of wit well-deployed. BUT my god this needed an editor so badly! First to make some sense of the structure and the weird decision to report your imagination of someone’s life to that someone, second to take out all the detritus – Thornton cannot think a word without including it. Third, to excise the long portions of this where absolutely nothing happens. (There is a reference Warhol’s film Sleep, and that seemed apt - -that is 5 and a half hours of watching John Giorno sleep.) Fourth, an editor could have helped to make Ronda and Caroline matter to the narrative other than as ways to set up series of events. There is good stuff here, but it’s a mess.
All that said, i look forward to reading more of Thornton's work. She has talent I think and a unique voice. With a good editor and an understanding that a book should not include every thought you have (unless you don't think a whole lot which is not the case here) I think Thornton could write some great things. show less
A/S/L has nothing to do with American Sign Language. The title is short for the names of the central characters Abraxa, Sash, and Lilith. As teens, the three are online friends working to create a computer game together. What they don't know about one another is that each of them while being "born male," is female. They haven't yet been able to make the transition they'll make as they grow up, but that self-knowledge is already present.
The settings for the novel vary a great deal. Some take show more place when the women are young and working on their game. Others take place in their separate, adult lives. Still occur during their rediscovery of one another and its consequences. Chapters alternate among the three women (hint: Sash's are written in second person).
Formatting is nearly as varied as the settings. The book opens with a chapter on coding from a teen's perspective. The second chapter takes place in an online chatroom for teens developing computer games. Most chapter offer more straightforward narrative, but the reader needs to be prepared for these "outlier chapters" when they occur. I know absolutely nothing about coding; I do remember my chatroom days and their simultaneously chaotic and affirming nature. At first, I wasn't sure I would be able to settle into a comfortable stride with this book, but I did—and I enjoyed and valued the reading experience despite (because of?) the demands it made on me as a reader.
I am not trans. I'm a lesbian deeply committed to trans rights. I haven't experienced what the central characters have, but in whatever way it's possible, I'm on their side. I'm rooting for them to be/become who they are. I trust their perceptions of the world as accurate given their life experiences. There's a great deal of pain in each of their lives, and I kept hoping that their lives would become easier over time, but part of the point is how difficult it is to live as who you are when much of the world doubts whether you even legitimately exist. The choice of "legitimate" is deliberate. Part of the point of A/S/L is how hard it is for these three women to find places that feel like a real home for their real selves. Things do get a bit easier for each of the women over the course of the novel, but there's never a moment when any of them arrive in a place of real comfort.
On the one hand, this is a must-read novel, but it's also not a novel I would had to someone trans who is just beginning to understand who they are. (I've tried ways of explaining this further, but I'm just not finding the right words.)
If you're up for a demanding, but rewarding reading experience, particularly one that consistently challenges notions of the gender binary, you'll find much of value in A/S/L.
I received a free electronic review copy of this title; the opinions are my own. show less
The settings for the novel vary a great deal. Some take show more place when the women are young and working on their game. Others take place in their separate, adult lives. Still occur during their rediscovery of one another and its consequences. Chapters alternate among the three women (hint: Sash's are written in second person).
Formatting is nearly as varied as the settings. The book opens with a chapter on coding from a teen's perspective. The second chapter takes place in an online chatroom for teens developing computer games. Most chapter offer more straightforward narrative, but the reader needs to be prepared for these "outlier chapters" when they occur. I know absolutely nothing about coding; I do remember my chatroom days and their simultaneously chaotic and affirming nature. At first, I wasn't sure I would be able to settle into a comfortable stride with this book, but I did—and I enjoyed and valued the reading experience despite (because of?) the demands it made on me as a reader.
I am not trans. I'm a lesbian deeply committed to trans rights. I haven't experienced what the central characters have, but in whatever way it's possible, I'm on their side. I'm rooting for them to be/become who they are. I trust their perceptions of the world as accurate given their life experiences. There's a great deal of pain in each of their lives, and I kept hoping that their lives would become easier over time, but part of the point is how difficult it is to live as who you are when much of the world doubts whether you even legitimately exist. The choice of "legitimate" is deliberate. Part of the point of A/S/L is how hard it is for these three women to find places that feel like a real home for their real selves. Things do get a bit easier for each of the women over the course of the novel, but there's never a moment when any of them arrive in a place of real comfort.
On the one hand, this is a must-read novel, but it's also not a novel I would had to someone trans who is just beginning to understand who they are. (I've tried ways of explaining this further, but I'm just not finding the right words.)
If you're up for a demanding, but rewarding reading experience, particularly one that consistently challenges notions of the gender binary, you'll find much of value in A/S/L.
I received a free electronic review copy of this title; the opinions are my own. show less
Summer Fun by Jeanne Thornton is a great book and very powerful. It’s finely crafted, expansive yet taut, and, well, the sheer amount of character, theme, and history that Thornton managed to hold in her head while writing and then convey on the page is incredible. A lesser author couldn’t have done it. And the emotions she makes the reader feel? The way she writes hope and pain and loneliness? The things she forces the reader to consider, and the ways she does that? Equally show more impressive!
It’s not a book for everyone, though, and if I’d known how affecting it would be, I’d have picked a different time to read it because there’s definitely a certain headspace required and I didn’t quite have it. Basically, Thornton does not sugarcoat the lives of trans women, either in the past or the present, and she presses those realities on her readers. There’s abuse and trans-misogyny and substance abuse, for instance, and several trans characters are working through (what I read as) internalized trans-misogyny as well. The prose is also dense and dark, and Thornton doesn’t hold readers’ hands through it or her messages. You have to pay attention to this book and you can’t expect easy answers.
The plot, you ask? An elevator pitch might be, “A trans woman in New Mexico writes letters to her favourite musician”, but that compresses so much. For one thing, the lines blur quickly. How much of the detail of the musician’s life is true, and how much is fannish re-creation? How much does the writer’s outlook colour everything? What is the goal of the letters? Really, Summer Fun is about hope and loss and longing, about finding yourself and learning to be comfortable in your skin, and about connection and the power of music and the many ways trans women live in the world.
It’s a great book, as I said. It stirs emotions and asks hard questions. Thornton’s won Lambdas and it’s easy to see why. It’s powerful and vivid and affecting, a worthy book for any queer-positive TBR. It is not the breezy summer read I expected (my bad there), but I’m very glad to have read it. show less
It’s not a book for everyone, though, and if I’d known how affecting it would be, I’d have picked a different time to read it because there’s definitely a certain headspace required and I didn’t quite have it. Basically, Thornton does not sugarcoat the lives of trans women, either in the past or the present, and she presses those realities on her readers. There’s abuse and trans-misogyny and substance abuse, for instance, and several trans characters are working through (what I read as) internalized trans-misogyny as well. The prose is also dense and dark, and Thornton doesn’t hold readers’ hands through it or her messages. You have to pay attention to this book and you can’t expect easy answers.
The plot, you ask? An elevator pitch might be, “A trans woman in New Mexico writes letters to her favourite musician”, but that compresses so much. For one thing, the lines blur quickly. How much of the detail of the musician’s life is true, and how much is fannish re-creation? How much does the writer’s outlook colour everything? What is the goal of the letters? Really, Summer Fun is about hope and loss and longing, about finding yourself and learning to be comfortable in your skin, and about connection and the power of music and the many ways trans women live in the world.
It’s a great book, as I said. It stirs emotions and asks hard questions. Thornton’s won Lambdas and it’s easy to see why. It’s powerful and vivid and affecting, a worthy book for any queer-positive TBR. It is not the breezy summer read I expected (my bad there), but I’m very glad to have read it. show less
2025. Jeanne Thornton is so talented. This book was heartbreaking but I wanted it to never end. Three transwomen meet online as teenagers in boy mode. They are part of a small community of people coding text-based video games. It’s 1998. They experience some really intense stuff together online, then they lose track of each other. Twenty years later they find each other again in New York City, and try to reckon with their past. I really wanted two of them to be in love, and it ended pretty show more ambiguously. But it’s possible to hope they’ll all be ok. Maybe be friends at least? I want them to be happy. But. Life. show less
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