666 members

Not sure if anyone noticed, but we now have 666 members in this group. :P
Hmmm.....

Quick!!! Better recruit someone fast: before we know it, someone suffering from hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia will arrive and pass out!

But, I thought it was all agreed that the "number of the beast" wasn't that one after all, but 616. Ooooops.

Hah! It would be extra weird if SirFolio actually receives his copy of The Getty Apocalypse while we still have 666 members.

Would love to hear someone actually say hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia even once

I can't vouch for the pronunciation but here are two: http://www.forvo.com/word/hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia/

1- I did notice, but opted for "no mentar la bicha"(≅ "don't mention the beast", I guess)

>7 supercell:

Been gone?

Who knew.

Who car-anniversary my left buttock, hahahaha, you're right, QS, hilarious post from...whom?

Absolutely admirable Antipodeans, thankfully, are responsible for the discovery by many posters of Folio Society's higher prices for many overseas customers. And I'm sure new members here at devotees, and those about to join, appreciate being made aware of regional pricing differentials, just as they might appreciate the discussion about artificial leather, silk, and cloth binding materials, and then how the two topics connect...that is, the last 75-100 new devotees are aware, aren't they? If not, several discussions can be found in the archives from last summer and fall.

Anyway, I miss the coherent and incoherent free for all, nowadays Folio Society Devotee discussions seem to center around Easton Press and their DLEs(Deluxe-woowoo- Limited Editions), probably with more hot air to follow about the EP EDLEs(Extra Deluxe Limited Editions)-choose any 7 of 10 fine press features for your personal extra deluxe edition!, and then, of course, the EP SDEDLEs, finally with exquisite leather inlay binding designs but unfortunately for most of us limited to 50 buyers from the State of Connecticut. Then some of the SDEDLEs will be sold after just one year for amazing profits to buyers in...Australia!

And I guess it's the way of the world and has been the way, to shoot the messenger, who's better for a' that?

To be polite, tho, welcome back!

> 9

"They banged on about them them just a bit to much"

Then why bring it up again and why reply when it's brought up again?

I think I know where Olepuppy's 'coming from'. Those debates finished a long time ago and I don't intend to get into them again, but they were real issues argued with passion and belief and that sometimes led to 'overheating' on both sides of the debate - but however we felt about them, they caught our attention.

I don't think the participants were 'subdued', I just think they listened, realised how some were feeling and had the good grace to desist. I hope that situation continues and they don't follow supercell's example.

>10 Quicksilver66:

Yeah, I know supercell too, QS, he makes rather mean and ill-conceived al-Qaida/taliban jokes you laugh at.

'He committed suicide' - what, by leaving devotees? Hahahaha, hilarious, two peas in a pod.

>11 celtic:

Hi Celtic, Thanks again for standing up-Blessed are the Peacemakers-glad to stand next to you anytime, even when we disagree, as now.

I did not desist in my materials arguments out of gracious concern; the facts of the argument were not rebutted and the discussion was over.

I don't know that a renewal of discussions about Folio regional pricing schemes and material discrepancies would be welcomed by the members, but I believe that the pricing and materials and marketing topics should be touched upon now and again so that new members are aware, and for the rest of us, well, lest we forget.

>11 celtic:

Nah. Just stopped caring. I realised that I was not going to get Limited Editions at a fair price and held off rejoining until I got an offer that at least represented value (Buy 4 or more books at 50% off - better deal than the summer sale - plus Seeing Further).

Wow.

well I'm sorry but I take deep offence at supercell's remarks (the taliban!!!!!) and who the hell is supercell anyway, no books catalogued and spits bile into the discussion. I hope we go back to 665.

>12 olepuppy:

We might not disagree after all as after reading your post it makes more sense than mine Olepuppy!

>13 vat1sem:

Fair enough!

So who thinks the Yankees have any chance against the Red Sox this year?

>18 Django6924:

I sure hope they don't.

> 18, 19

In other words, change the subject. I agree.

>18 Django6924:

I do!! But only because I always root for New York. :) Go Yankees! (And Mets! Yeah, yeah, I know...)

>18 Django6924:

And us Antipodeans are called parochial!

>13 vat1sem:

Rejoined with the same offer, US prices tho, but thought the same, good value, won't ever buy overpriced Folio editions again.

Look, vat1sem, if you're looking for some fair-priced LE's in particular why don't you drop me a line and I'll see what I can do.

>14 Quicksilver66:

How sad for you!

I miss LesMis' ordered logic, his point by point examination of an argument, his ability to respond with specificity-indeed, it seemed as if he had legal training. I miss his bravery, what a whirlwind, a hurricane force seeking the truth of matters, searching in all directions against a gang-tackling foe-perhaps I'm hopelessly romantic, but some words from 'The Man of La Mancha' come to mind:

...And the world will be better for this
that one man, scorned and covered with scars,
still strove with his last ounce of courage
to reach the unreachable star...

so I'm not real impressed with taliban neuter jokes by someone who had the chance to stand up but whined and ran instead, with whom you laugh then welcome back and defend. So you defend, I defend, and with your talk of disproportionate and offensive, I disagree.

Too, my nephew is safe at home now from Afghanistan...not so some of his buddies.

>16 rdurie:

'No books catalogued...bile...'

Well, to be fair, the statement applies to me too, sorry, will try to get some books catalogued....

>17 celtic:

Celtic! Sorry, buddy, wasn't precise, disagreed with the some of 11, the rest was spot on-anyway always appreciate your sincere approbation.

>18 Django6924:

" It ain't over 'til it's over "

>20 Quicksilver66:

Up to you, QS, I'm just reacting, aggressively perhaps, would be nice to hear something nice from supercell.

I read your posts Olepuppuy and I can sense the thinking and wisdom (and wit) behind them. Sadly I sometimes think they may be wasted.

This is a forum for people who have bought and love FS books (I'm one of them myself) and want to think only good things about the Folio Society.

Whilst the FS is head and shoulders above the majority of Businesses in this day and age when you you consider the way it conducts it's Business and the end product it produces, most people, understandably, would want to believe it is beyond reproach.

This being a forum that is called 'Folio Society Devotees', you could, justifiably, assume that everyone that participates is a 'fan' of The Folio Society and feels that their financial and emotional input would allow them to not only praise and support the FS, but highlight those area's that they believe leave room for improvements that would make their beloved society better.

Two of the area's that have come under scrutiny in the past have been the extra financial charges made when buying books from Australia (and other countries) and the description of materials used in the production of FS books.

Those issues have been brought (surprisingly) to our attention again by the posters above.

This is were the problem starts in my opinion.

When the posts are about positive issues (which the majority are) we all feel comfortable reading them and some of us feel relaxed about adding our opinions to the subject that is being discussed.

When the issue is contencious and could be viewed as a negative view of the FS, then things become more difficult.

What I have observed over the debates concerning, in particular, the pricing issue and, to a lesser extent, the materials discussion is that the participants in this group appear to fall into the following categories:-

* Believe that the issue is 'real' and important and something should be done about it.
* Disagree with the points that are being raised and present their argument.
* Don't care or feel uncomfortable and don't want to participate.

So far, so good and what you should expect and accept in any debate, but there is a fourth group:-

* Those that don't believe in anything but how they present themselves to other members of the forum (easier on a site where you use a username and can stay incognito). These are the people that are oblivious to there own hypocrisy, are obsessed with how others see them and will happily write posts that obviously contradict themselves, but fail to realise it in the excitement of the opportunity to make people realise what a 'good guy' they are.

More worrying is the fact that a debate that could be read as 'negative' or 'uncomfortable' in relation to the Society that we have all invested so much money and belief in, is not seen as an opportunity for debate, improvement or argument, but as an opportunity to make themselves popular by beguiling people that feel uncomfortable and wish the issue wasn't real with the result that they 'come across' as 'good voices' (in their deluded worlds-good people) that are valiantly trying to drown out the doubters and agitators.

The fact is that it would appear that a lot of people on this forum may not want to hear about about negative issues that concern the Folio Society and I would be pretty small-minded if I didn't understand that and acknowledge that a 'devotees' site should, predominantly, be a pleasant and enjoyable place to visit.

At the same time a proportion of the participants that do feel there are issues that are important enough to be raised also deserve a voice and those concerns they bring to the forum should be viewed as no less important as the day-to day discussions about the FS, with the proviso that people can choose to ignore or participate in any thread that they so choose.

What I think is the problem that thoughtful, decent and ethical people like yourself face is that every time you comment on an issue like the one above, you will come up against small-minded individuals that fail to understand your meaning and see an opportunity to project themselves as people that are 'getting rid' of an uncomfortable subject, when all they are doing is supporting a problem that could've been solved. Worse, but more pathetically than that, they perceive themselves increasing their popularity and believe that every time they pontificate their acumen and erudition is revered by all.

Now we, astonishingly, get to the stage that previous posters are compared to terrorists and a subject that seemed to have gone away is resurrected in the most condecending and tasteless way possible (especially in the world we're living in just now).

What is the reaction - it was seen as funny and the poster was welcomed back.

Looking back on the venom that was flying about during the pricing debate and comparing that to the reaction to this, I don't get it.

And this is why I like reading what you write Olepuppy, because you do 'get it'.

>23 olepuppy:

Bold talk, olepuppy, but the lead keeps growing! 4 in a row, 8 of the last ten; shall we talk "momentum"?

> 24

Celtic

It was a great shame that rather than let an unfortunate topic drop you attacked me in a pretty harsh, personal and unfair way in your last post, just as this issue seemed to be winding down. I have been posting here for over 2 years now. Whether or not my contributions have been well received is for others to judge. Certainly I have received no complaints and no previous indications of dishonesty, contrariness or the other negatives you suggest.

I accept my share of responsibility in this debate. However, there is more to supercell than meets the eye as we corresponded for quite some while on various benign book issues and he seemed fairly erudite and sensible with some interesting things to say. I had encouraged him to come back to our forum and was pleased when I saw that he had decided to do so. Hence my rather hasty welcome post to him, which I now accept was misconceived (I have now removed it). Subsequently, your curt post and olepuppy'e pretty aggressive post prompted me to retaliate. I am not justifying myself, just explaining.

I thought you and I had had some interesting discussions in the past so I was quite surprised at the bitterness against me in your post.

Let's just get back to talking about books.

David

And who are the Red Sox playing next--the Royals! Don't see any strong likelihood of Kansas City chipping away Boston's lead....

>27 Django6924:

You're from Missouri! Shouldn't you be rooting for the Royals!? How on earth did you become a member of Red Sox nation!?!?

(I don't care if they've broken the curse; the words "No, No Nanette" still have to hurt!)

>27 Django6924:

Go Cubs! I don't even really like them. I just feel sorry for them and hope they win something before the world ends.

>29 menteith:

I don't think I know anyone who wouldn't like to see the Cubs win a series. I mean, it's been over 110 years now, right? That's just ridiculous! I'd root for them if they made it.

Only 103 years.

>31 LucasTrask:

Thanks for the correction. I fully admit to having been too lazy to look it up :) Still, that's an awfully long time... Moral of the story? Be kind to goats.

I had no idea they used to be called the Orphans.

beatlemoon, sadly I didn't have to look it up. Despite not being a baseball or Cubs fans, that piece of trivia is stuck in my head!

I'd rather see the Cubs win the Series than be President! (Or than to have to live in Chicago--the most beautiful city in the continental US, I hasten to add--but too damned cold in the winter.)

>beatlemoon, being from Kansas City, I have a hatred of the Yankees that goes back to 1955--when the Yankees would regularly humiliate the home team during the summer, then in the fall buy or trade for whatever decent players the A's had to prepare for the pennant drive. So went Vic Power, Bobby Shantz, Héctor López, Clete Boyer, Art Ditmar, Ralph Terry, and, the most unkindest cut of all, Roger Maris.

Also, having severed all ties to KC, I don't care who beats the Yankees, as long as someone does.

Django, you and my stepfather - an old-school Dodger fan, before they left Brooklyn, and now a die-hard Mets fan - would be best friends when it comes to baseball. He cannot say "The Yankees" without sticking some very colorful foul adjectives in the middle, usually some variation on the "f word". It is endlessly amusing to watch him root against the Yankees. He, too, does not care who beats them, so long as someone does!

>24 celtic:

Holy moly, Celtic ole buddy, waddya doin', jeez, all the saints and their mothers are gonna be watchin' me all the time now...Seriously, tho, thanks for the kind words.

I'm glad you offered the analysis above, with the gentle rehash of last years questioning. What I have seen in people of your 4th group would include having the last word before trying to shut down the discussion, ditching a friend in need, wagging/really twisting the dog about criticism being the same as an emotional attack, blaming one's ill-considered words on someone else along with being oblivious to contradictory/hypocritical statements. Ugh. What a drag.

In fact, I need some cheering , so its off to bed,...no, just the last 50 pages of a great read and a glass of diet ginger ale. Cheers, Celtic.

>25 Django6924:
C'mon, Django, it's still July, plenty of games left, Yogi knows, I'm goin' with Yogi!

Go super baseball. Sadely I know absolutely nothing about baseball except I heard a gentlemen called Babe Ruth. I think it's something that has to be experienced - like sitting in the court and having sugered water, a hotdog and the odd foul language.

*Deleted post*

And let's not forget the Astros which will be making their late World Series Run in . . . . 2020.

Not to sidetrack this thread anymore than it has been, but after the Red Sox won in 2004 and the White Sox in 2005 I was kind of expecting the Cubs to win in 2006. However...

Maybe they're waiting for a nice, round anniversary, like 105 years?

I was always a little disappointed in the Red Sox. I mean, 86 years? How strange. They should have waited for 90, or even 100 years at that point. Would have been a better story.

Then the Cubs should have won in 2008. Maybe in 2108?

>41 LucasTrask:

Lucas, your posting is very in keeping with this thread; of course it would require a numerologist to work out when the year the Cubs win the series based on the signs mentioned in Revelations....

Minor correction, it's The Book of Revelation (I gues it is just one big one). Now I have to go and take a look at the signs...

Meanwhile, I see the group is now up to 668 members.

>29 menteith: According to some loose talk the end will happen in 2012 so the Cubs had better move on. And I know less of baseball than Iron Jaw.
I remember noise coming from the sports stadium at university whereas I buried myself in the stacks reading parliamentary records from 1299 or reading about the ante-bellum South. Ah well the memories.

>46 Barton: "I buried myself in the stacks reading parliamentary records from 1299 "

Barton what an interesting fellow you are. It is amazing that one can read text written by someone nearly 800 years ago.

I've long rooted for a Cubs-Indians World Series. One of them would have to win, right? Though those teams might find a way for both to lose.

>48 coynedj:

Yes. I'll admit to being a fair weather baseball fan, but I like both those teams. I still can't believe that the Indians of the mid to late 90s couldn't pull it off.

>46 Barton: At the school board where I teach I am considered to be eccentric in that I read numerous and various subjects. For some reason reading about international relations of 1200 B.C. near east, ante-bellum America or that the basics of astronomy is seen to be odd. When I have hosted some event for teachers of my school the first question invariably is "Have you read all those books?" I consider this to be odd since teachers are supposed to be teaching the love of reading.

Good heavens! A post on books and reading.

>50 Barton: I consider this to be odd since teachers are supposed to be teaching the love of reading.

You cannot teach what you do not know :) Most of my high school teachers were not reading... and were proud of that for some reason.

>53 folio1959: "I read a message from quicksilver describing the folio society devotees as " a pathetic and frustrated bunch full of their own pompous self importance" and a "pompous bunch of morons"Is this how it usually works around here or is it usually less personal?."

No, Quicksilver was being unusually deferential that day--typically he can be sarcastic.

And the previous letter to fraxi from QS speaks of LesMis 'pathetic' "Farewell" and sycophantic well wishers and bullies.

To be fair, the letters which could have been sent privately are not posts on a thread.

Had been wondering if I was too harsh, guess not.

>53 folio1959:

Anyway, being new, folio1959, I suggest you read through the archives, great discussions 2-3 years ago, last year too tho with much controversy, this year involves recovery.

No matter, tho, everybody here not working for Easton Press loves Folio books...hey, what is a SDEDLE anyway?

edited name calling, sorry

>53 folio1959:

Just ignore such comments I guess... We are not exactly a happy family all the time but there are enough good discussions

Usually the group (and the forums as a whole) are a much friendlier place :) Welcome in LT and in this group :)

>53 folio1959: Edited as I was going to try to be funny, but thought better of it! Hope you enjoy the group.

> All

Would anyone please care to explain what is going on? I'm at a loss as to how this exchange is developing or for that matter what has really lead to it. Can we hope for some sense of proportion back in these threads? Thank you.

I see an obvious lesson here: one should not invoke The Beast in a thread title, ever.

Again: wow.

I am quite astonished at how this thread turned a corner and headed downhill, suddenly careening out of control, seemingly without brakes. When that happens, the people directly involved find themselves far too busy trying to steer, control, or simply holding on, to give any attention to what is going on outside their own very immediate span of attention.

Meanwhile, all around people react in a variety of ways: some throw themselves in the way in an attempt at stopping, or at least slowing down, the rampage; some stop and watch for a while, lose interest and revert to more constructive pastimes; others barely throw a quick glance over their shoulder before moving on.

Perhaps we should let this serendipitously named thread be a place where devotees can let the shit hit the fan, throw it about a bit, let off steam and, well, you get the gist. Unless, of course, bringing up the T-word ought to be considered Reductio ad Hitlerum and Godwin's Law should deem this discussion ended.

Anyway. The rest of us will be right next door, minding our own business, refusing to be "held hostage" by anyone.

Luckily, there is a handy little link at the top titled "Ignore this thread"--highly recommended.

>64 Django6924:
Highly recommended for those who like to stick their head up their arse.

>58 supercell:,59,60
Thank you supercell. I cannot think of a better reposte to the sanctimonious people posting in this thread and in this Group.

>66 fraxi:
I remember you as someone who became particularly abusive about the idea that a fair price be paid. You clearly haven't changed.

>59 supercell:

I personally find the propagation of the manifesto of a mass murderer a great disrespect to those innocent people who died at his hands.

There appears to be curious phenomena at work here.

Phenomenon No1: I left this forum a long time ago, yet my name continues to be raised (and roasted)

Phenomenon No2: Those people who did not like talking about price hiking by the FS (on specific threads with warnings) and continually attacked those people who discussed it (as it affected them), curiously continue to do so, only the target this time is my ghost and now a few other members who have remained on the forum.

Phenomenon No3: Incredible though it is, those people who attacked decent posters about relevant subjects, have altered history and decided that it was 'they' who were attacked!

Phenomenon No4: Those people who write so much but say so little are still at it. Huge posts, most irrelevant, singularly boring, pepper the forum about the mysterious FS malcontents. Empty vessels make the most noise my old primary teacher used to tell the class.

Now, here is the choice. Either those people who tarnish my name stop it or I come back and talk about pricing issues. If you continue, I will ignore you but make it my goal to regularly update those people who would like a 'factual' analysis of FS worldwide pricing policy.

Bye.

>68 LesMiserables:

Thank you. Good to see you're still well.

In my personal version of hell there is a particularly low place reserved for hypocrites, and an even lower place for those who tell lies while they do it. At the moment, that place is occupied by a Tony Abbott and also the entire GOP representation in the US Congress. Fraxi and Supercell appear to be elbowing their way in as well.

>68 LesMiserables:

I think I am one of the people you have in mind as having attacked you but I have not done so since you left this forum and I do genuinely say that it is nice to hear from you and hope that your town is fully recovered from those awful floods

Fascinating! Posturing. Misunderstanding. Deliberate misunderstanding. Misrepresentation. Creation of pretexts for offence. Bravado.
This is how wars start.
People get hurt.
No one gains.

>69 vat1sem:
Sorry to see that even we in our humble little forum here we are not insulated from the unfortunate tone of American politics.

>67 vat1sem:
You are more of a legend here than anything else. I think of this forum as a little village, and you were an occupant of "that house" which everyone knows, and therefore occasionally references. "That house" is not meant disparagingly, but rather in a familiar way.
At least in my view, there is not the hostility towards you that you think, with the exception of one or two who have clearly and thoroughly made their thoughts known, and whom I generally read the first sentence or two of their post and then quickly move on.
Finally, some of us who did criticize the constant focus on the pricing issue do bring it up occasionally because it is in fact a legitimate issue, but not one most of us choose to devote the whole forum to, which is sadly what ended up happening.

All together now

..Exorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei ..

just in case

I've been away on a trout fishing tour this weekend and I end up here seeing a mass-murderers name being mentioned incl. his manifesto. What the hell is happening here? Don't you have any respect for the families of the victims?

>68 LesMiserables: Hi, LesMiserables, good to hear from you!

Thanks for speaking up.

>65 fraxi:

This sanctimonious sob says...I agree with you....

>71 boldface:

I think, sir, it would be more accurate to say that a war that is over can be reignited when apparently bitter and hateful people thumb their noses and laugh at their (former) adversaries.

>74 ironjaw:

You're right, ironjaw, where's the heart? But, supercell is an erudite man, says QS...well, my Bierce Devil's Dictionary defines

erudition n.- Dust shaken out of a book into an empty skull.

What is all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, without heart?

When I joined Folio Devotees I spent some time reading thru the old posts, quite enjoyable, especially those from a core of regular posters who brought interesting insights into Folio and sundry topics, even pricing and materials briefly.

Then with last year's righteous questionning came much dissention, even hatred maybe, for some, and for me, a much different and more accurate description of The Folio Society and its workings.

Tho in no way do I equate the American Civil War with last year's Folio skirmishes, a possibly appropriate quote comes to mind, spoken by Clint Eastwood at the end of the movie The Outlaw Josie Wales,

"We all died a little in that damned war."

Your quite right olepuppy. We sure did. I can't really recognise this forum. It is not what it used to be. I miss those intellectual moments.

It'd probably do better at being what it used to be if everyone got over themselves and quit moaning and namecalling...

I've lost a bit of respect for a few people I previously looked up to thanks to this thread (though the few most abusive I had no idea who were before and shan't be paying any future attention to either, not because I stick my head up my arse but because I come here to enjoy myself and take part in interesting discussion - neither which you are helping with).

This is supposed to be a discussion about our love of something. It's called 'devotees'. Even if you really disagree with somebody I don't see why things have to get personal in here?

That said... baseball is a ridiculous sport :-P

You haven't been on this group long enough to be aware of its past history, particularly in relation to Folio's pricing policy in Australia. This is reasonably polite in comparison. IMHO.

Discussing pricing policy is boring.

Some of us may find that this group is no more what it used to be a year ago. But some others—including me and probably many silent members—feel nostalgia for what it was like five years ago.

I've been hanging around in this group for about a year (whether I've been an actual member that long I'm not sure) besides which the archive is there for all to read. Whether comments in this thread are better or worse than previous threads is immaterial, garbage is garbage however it smells.

Discussing pricing is fine and is totally on topic for this group, but it should probably stay within threads about pricing and not leak into every thread ever. That said, those moaning about the pricing seem a lot more sane than those fighting against them...

>80 LipstickAndAviators:
"garbage is garbage however it smells."

>81 fraxi:
Though conversely one man's garbage is another man's treasure... ;)

*shaking head* and here we start again.

> 83

AnnieMod it started at post 7 above by Supercell.

I left the forum because of the continued attacks.

I see they (we know the three in particular) have have not let up in my absence.

It's a terrible pity the member who posted >14 Quicksilver66: has deleted his post, as I laughed for a really long time after reading it.

Nevertheless, I hope they can see that continuing to attack me personally even after I have left the forum is futile. They only continue to distance themselves from others.

Some of the not-so-personal messages (ie they did not click 'private') they have been sending each other are terribly sad. The last one, which I pointed out to Celtic, was a message from quicksilver66 to fraxi berating a few of us and the forum group in general.

These messages are in the public domain and not 'private'...

Hi Dave

Thanks for your kind comments. Really, I am pretty sick of the whole shooting match. The FS Devotees have become a pathetic and frustrated bunch full of their own pompous self importance - particularly Celtic. To be honest, I can't be bothered with them anymore. It's such a shame that a pompous bunch of morons are ruining it for the decent posters.

I am really pleased that Crumb'e Sex Obsessions is coming back on the agenda. I can't justify £500.00 on the LE but I will certainly get the trade. Fingers crossed it comes out this time.

I am pleased you have completed your Sandman collection. They are great books - dark and delightful at the same time, if that makes sense !

Keep in touch.

All the best

David
posted by Quicksilver66 at 4:37 am (EST) on Jul 26, 2011

and

Hi Dave

Thank you for your message. I share your feelings about HIM and was appauled both by his pathetic "Farewll" thread and by the sycophantic well wishers. Initially, I had some sympathy for him. After a short while both he and his followers became a total bore and a bunch of bullys. I know of one other poster who dared to express a contrary opinion and felt so victimised by the "Ned Kelly gang" that he deleted his posts and withdrew from the Forum. He still corresponds with me off-channel, a real FS devotee and very erudite. What a shame that he felt compelled to leave.

I enjoy your posts as well. And meeting Borges - that must have been a real experience. You are very lucky to have met such a great writer. I can imagine him having a limp handshake as well.

Keep on posting.

Quicksilver 66 (David)
posted by Quicksilver66 at 11:39 am (EST) on Jan 17, 2011

So I guess there it is laid bare for all to see. For the record my pathetic farewell thread was one post....
http://www.librarything.com/topic/107428#2446201

There was not any attacking of members, there was no "Oh ok, I'll come back again, now I have your pity..."

I'm afraid, there are people who can't let sleeping dogs lie and continue to manipulate and stir.

>84 LesMiserables:
It was not towards you. I tend to just gloss over and ignore certain messages until threads turn into a full-blown repetition again. For a group of people that supposedly like book, way too many people spend time on stirring up trouble.

I'm glad I know nothing of the silly drama. This thread lost its merit when it swerved from baseball. "Ignore topic."

>86 menteith:

Like I said above, baseball is a ridiculous game :-P

If we were gonna talk about something more sensible like football (the one you play with your foot, not the other silly one) then maybe I'd agree.

>84 LesMiserables:
Nothing against you lesmis, but is bringing people's private messages onto the public forum really necessary? We get it, he doesn't like you and you don't like him. He deleted his messages so obviously wants to shh now. Everytime anyone posts on this (probably including myself) they just look sillier.

IN OTHER NEWS: 675 members. I was going to say something interesting about the number 675 here, but despite my maths background I got nothin'.

> 87

For the record, private messages you cannot see. Public messages are ones that people send on here that can be seen by all.
These are not private.

Anyway, I guess I have said my piece. It would be nice if these people who dislike those people, who have raised pricing issues in the past but who have left the forum, would leave them alone in peace: ie Do not continue to berate them, call them terrorists etc etc

In other words don't start crying if you are taken to task for being abusive, by those who were happily off doing other things.

I am assuming that out of common courtesy you asked Quicksilver if you could use extracts from his comments page to place in this thread.

>53 folio1959: folio1959
As the person who first rifled and quoted from Quicksilver's comments, may I assume that you did likewise? I am somewhat curious as to your motive for acting as you did.

>84 LesMiserables:
I understand how you differentiate between 'public' and 'private' but posting messages believed to be part of a private conversation isn't really very nice - you will laugh at 'nice' but I use it to mean 'civilised', 'restrained', 'polite' etc.
You withdrew from this forum and it was wrong that after this happened people continued to berate you and your argument about FS pricing policy - that wasn't 'nice' or 'polite' but what you have done with >84 LesMiserables: is not the answer and Quicksilver66 doesn't deserve that

This is a forum for book lovers - please can't we ban the egotistical bitterness that internet communication all too easily brings out in us all...

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Let's get one thing straight here: This this thread like many others has been turned into a malicious campaign starting at post 7. It is again backed up by the back slapping of the other two.

They have been exposed for what they are.

Their public comments have made it clear that they have a hatred towards certain members and to the forum members as a whole.

You cannot defend the indefensible. Those who defend personal attacks made by the aforementioned are no better.

It is a great pity that after a long time I have had to come back to this particular forum to defend myself. One or two throw away comments I can put up with, but dirty nasty campaigns I will not.

I am at a loss. I know nothing of the previous arguments, but as far as I can tell this all has to do with FS price discrimination. Some people would like to talk about it, while others don't, am I right?
I really don't see the point of this debate. It is what it is. There is a price discrimination. If you to FS global site, you can clearly see this.
The question then is; is it really worth wasting breath trying to argue for or against it? In my opinion it is not. It sucks, it sure does and I would hate living in Australia, but oh well. Then again I would rather live in Switzerland than in Canada and I wouldn't even mind paying more for FS books if that was the case.
Besides, is it really worth arguing and insulting people over all of this? Think of the stress and your nerves, they are priceless and no argument is worth wasting them, especially if its with some people on a forum whom you'll never see in real life and who you can simply ignore if you don't agree with their points of view. Meh :P Just my opinion on all this...
It's not like this a court of law, no one is going to hold you accountable for slander or liable. :D

>59 supercell:
As for quoting from Berwick's book - no offense man, but you are a #*%$ing idiot. Why not write something out of Mein Kampf next time you are at it....

>93 Svartalf:

We'd sort of given up on the price issue. As Les Mis notes, it was the #*%$ing idiot at post >59 supercell: who kicked it all off again with a gratuitously silly post at >7 supercell:.

Thinking about your OP, maybe 666 really is the sign of the devil.........

>93 Svartalf:

Thank you so much for posting an opinion on the argument, Svartalf. If everyone who posted had commented directly to supercell/ QS / Celtic/ me at the beginning a better resolution may have been had. I have to think that 30 people posting serious opinions would have been better than a few, what do you think?

Just to make things a bit clearer for you, last year the price discrimination debate and the artificial binding materials debate combined to throw into doubt the credibility of the object of the devotees desire, The Folio Society. Paying higher regional prices became paying higher prices for falsely advertised leather, silk, and cloth bound books. As this was a pretty big eye-opener, some posters also began to question misleading advertising for non-folio books, paying the higher regional price for 'new' books which were probably returns or seconds, and even the happy Folio site mythos of a nice club for booklovers. About the only thing agreed upon was that Folio has great customer service, especially with free returns. So, with the validity of their advertised word thrown into question, it became possible to question the Folio Societ's motives and actions in almost every post, led by LesMis, who took most of the heat/abuse, I stayed mostly with materials and then came to question everything, with some success, tho it didn't feel like success, as Folio was diminished, to my mind. But don't be mislead, tho the pricing discussion grabbed plenty of attention it was the overall attack upon Folio's credibility that fired up plenty of folks here.

And there seems to be a reaction towards restraint and politeness this year, thesis>antithesis, what will be the synthesis of the two?

I can't state strongly enough, please don't depend upon another poster's opinion on the Folio questioning, read through the existing posts about pricing and materials and returns and make up your own mind, if you feel like it. See for yourself what people here said and how they said it.

We are the Folio Society Devotees, so anyone can say anything they want about the Folio Society and their books. Opinions backed by facts, fine. Unsupported opinions posed respectfully, fine. Polite disagreement, fine. Heated disagreement, somehow still kinda polite, fine. Ridicule-off limits. I haveta wonder, if I had not laughed and made the 'left Buttock' comment, how might have the discussion gone, seemed I had to return kind for kind, sometimes one needs to be a little bigger...and still not get run over.

>92 LesMiserables: Quoting from LT to support you, clearly dodges the question asked, as to whether you extended the common courtesy to Quicksilver about using his comments page. Clearly you did not.
Exposed for what we are then. I see. What you posted here says a lot more about you than anything else.
Dirty nasty campaigns eh? You have a short memory ( or a selective one ) Remember the censorship and blocking of posts you objected to? Currently, the distress you have must have caused to one of the most respected members of this group by quoting from his comments page.
So you are coming out of hibernation. I can hear a collective groan from within the membership of this group. Pomposity and authoritarianism are not a healthy mix. You did'nt succeed in chasing me from the Group last time, and neither will you now. I'm a stubborn old man.

>96 fraxi:

So you're going to have the last word no matter what? Stubborn old man? No. Nasty, stubborn old man.

Oh come on Fraxi !

QS didn't make his message private, therefore wanted it to be seen. You're as responsible as anyone for it being read as you chose not to archive it, therefore you also made a deliberate decision for it to be visible to all who visited your profile page. So - a message designed to distress those mentioned (which, hypocritically, obviously didn't bother you) by personally attacking them and designed to be clearly visible by all who visit your page is now distressing to the writer because people actually read it! I read the thread above and see references to terrorists, quotes from the manifesto of a man who perpetrated horrific atrocities only weeks ago and the most important issue to you is some of us may be upset about childish messages on your profile page.

Have you read this thread Fraxi - NOBODY CARES!!

You, me, QS (supercell is not worth consideration) have all made fools of ourselves. You talk about respect. I've lost some for myself and I doubt many have got much for any of us right now.

You write as if we are important and we are are talking about important things. We're not. We have allowed ouselves to be drawn into tit for tat insults in front of an audience that would embarass a 12 year old.

Read Olepuppy's most recent messages above who has tried to bring some sense to this.

I was determined not to post on this thread again, but there you are! This has got way out of hand. We are all at fault. Stop attacking, grow up and move on!

Hear, hear...

> 97 " So you're going to have the last word no matter what? Stubborn old man? No. Nasty, stubborn old man."

Where in my post does it say I'm going to have the last word?

As for the last sentence you are now off my Christmas card list.

>98 celtic: I would strongly doubt that QS WANTED his comments to be seen.Yes I made my comments private ( and would strongly urge others to do so ) No i did not archive. never felt the need to. However after recent events, it may not be a bad idea.
However, I thank you for your comments.

> 96

Yes, I guess it must be distressing to be unmasked. To be found with your pants down, so to speak. But if you send public comments to a person's public profile page, then expect them to be read and discussed, especially when they berate other members.

No sympathy.

This reminds me, does FS publish Lord of the Flies?

>102 LesMiserables:

Well there's a surprise.

You really are showing your true colours. Feel free to carry on.

Hi folks,

Can this tit for tat messaging please please stop and lets get back to the enjoyable reasons for coming to this forum, the discussions about the books, the authors and the FS.

>103 smk001:

I have a sneaky suspicion you already know the answer to this one, but yes. I'd recommend it to anyone too, the Sam Weber illustrations are fantastic!

For some reason I've been repeatedly reminded today of the quote “We are so vain that we even care for the opinion of those we don't care for.”.

My library is currently at 664.

Should I be nervous?

>107 Ephemeralda:

The solution is simple! Next time you shop for books you MUST buy AT LEAST 3 books! :)

>108 LipstickAndAviators:

Oh, phew, I am awaiting three that should arrive any day now from Amazon.

Also some FS summer sale books on the way, but experience tells me to not expect them any time soon.

N11284, as this thread is about the membership of this group I find it appropriate to discuss members and their posts/comment in this group. I don't agree taht every post must be about "tthe books, the authors and the FS." And it was posts about the FS and it's pricing policy that start this last year.

There have been many times since the start of the exposing of several of the Society’s business practices when I have composed a response to another message but did not post it. It turns out that I was unknowingly doing what Abraham Lincoln regularly did. It appears that Lincoln found the writing of a response cathartic but that it was wiser to not send it. So too, I have found writing a response cathartic but then thought it wiser to not post it (although I have not always been so wise). Some of my posts would have been deliberately inflammatory, but I would like to think that others would have been serious, ones that olepuppy wishes more of us would have posted.

We're all grown up adults here and we are arguing over a stupid debate like 6 years old kids over who's the better super hero: Flash Gorden or Captain America

> 111

Captain America.

>112 Quicksilver66:

Fact.

If there's a Captain America, do we have a Red Skull?

>111 ironjaw:-113

No way! Flash Gordon for the win...if only because his movie had a soundtrack by Queen. (FLASH! Ah-ahhhhh...)

>115 beatlemoon:

Not, in my opinion, the highlight of Queen's career!

Shouldn't some of us be cheering for Captain Britain? Now there's a set of publications which will probably never see a fine binding.

> 105

Agree with you completely, John. Baseball didn't stop it; comics won't either. There's a pernicious inertia at work here, methinks.

115, 116, 117

Love the Queen music to Flash Gordon. I agree it's not their best, but it's still great.

Captain America wins hands down. With such great talent as Joe Simon, Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Steranko working on that series, how could he not be great.

Love Captain Britain as well. A lot of his material has been reprinted by Marvel in de luxe format.

Sorry - this should probably be on the LT comics page.

Maybe not a fine binding, but Marvel did publish a nice hardcover Captain Britain Omnibus in 2009.

>117 drasvola:

I had to look up pernicious. Thanks for supplying my word of the day.

>119 LucasTrask:

I might have a look into that, thanks :) I'm not a big comic fan but when I do dabble I prefer these omnibus type editions.

>118 Quicksilver66:

I shouldn't worry, probably less than 5% of this thread has been on topic. In fact the topic no longer even holds true!

I will now attempt to combine Captain America with books (sort of): a friend of mine just told me of this great app from Marvel Comics which allows one to access Marvel comics (including Captain America) from the cloud onto one's ipad or iphone. The back-lit ipad really brings out the color of the pages. Oh, and every Friday Marvel offers two or three comics for free which one can acquire and keep stored on the cloud without taking up any memory.

>121 podaniel:

Another connection would be that, on occasion, members of this group have expressed interest in seeing Folio publish certain graphic novels/comics.

As for Queen, Brian May is a rather intellectual chap, holding a doctorate in astrophysics, and would likely be interested in some of Folio's offerings if he saw them.

IMHO Batman is the better superhero, hands down.

>122 beatlemoon:

Brian May even wrote a few books (or helped anyway). See Bang! The Complete History of the Universe. Haven't seen him crop up on the 'what books would you liek a fOlio version of' threads yet though, but who knows maybe he'll write the intro to a future Folio physics book.

> 122

Thank you, beatlemoon.

I'm happy that I can spice up a debate about this. I've always been a superman type of guy. There is just something about the word Kryptonite

>125 drasvola:

Not sure what I'm being thanked for, but - you're welcome. :)

> 127

For reminding others that some FS devotees also have comic book/graphic novel interests.

>129 Mugabi:

Um, excuse me? Wow, this thread really is cursed. Such negativity abounds!

>130 beatlemoon: - I'm hesitant to jump into the fray, but I think that >129 Mugabi:'s comment might be directed to drasvola and be regarding this thread.

I could also be mistaken and be missing something else at play.

Perhaps this thread should just be viewed as one of those padded rooms people can go into to scream and shout until they get their cathartic release and feel better. A little patch of the crazy in an otherwise civil and polite place. :)

Editted to try to fix the link to the thread.

Yay, for a padded room!

As I said earlier (before things really heated up):

"Perhaps we should let this serendipitously named thread be a place where devotees can let the shit hit the fan, throw it about a bit, let off steam and, well, you get the gist."

It may very well serve a purpose.

>132 Ephemeralda: - Sorry I missed your earlier comment. I was definitely distracted by all the other drama!

>131 ParadigmTree:, "Perhaps this thread should just be viewed as one of those padded rooms people can go into to scream and shout until they get their cathartic release and feel better. A little patch of the crazy in an otherwise civil and polite place. :)"

I have managed to not insert myself into this thread, but feel like since everyone else seems to want to, what the hell, I will join the party! And so my great contribution to this thread is completely agreeing with your quote. If all the jerkiness and uncivilly can all take place within this thread, keeping other threads from being polluted, all the better!

My apologies to the devotees for being the cause behind post 129. Certainly out of place here. A very sad situation. As to the contents, it would be puerile to go any further.

> 135 Your apologies, Antonio, are in the tradition of the famous courtesy of your nation, but surely unnecessary here, especially after your giving a soft answer to this person's churlish post on the other thread. Both of his/her posts breach the ToS in my view.

>135 drasvola:

Antonio, you should not apologize. You have not done anything wrong. You have an immense knowledge that you enthusiastically share with others here. It is obvious by reading the comments by Mugabi that he/she is an adolescent and someone who recently joined.

> 136, 137

I agree entirely. He should apologise to you Antonio, not vice versa.

>131 ParadigmTree:

Oh, I know it was directed at Antonio. (Thanks for the clarification, though). But it was extremely uncalled for, and I didn't appreciate Mugabi making nasty comments to/about him! Should have explicitly said "that was uncalled for", but typing in a rush...you know...

This is preposterous. I have not contacted Mugabi. Everything he/she writes is false. What's going on?

Methinks we have a clever troll--if one refrains from feeding the troll, the troll will move on to feast on the psychic dismay of others. I might add that reading certain works of fiction offer much more enjoyable opportunities for such feasting, admittedly, of a necessarily fictional natural, than engaging in anti-social behavior on websites such as this one. May I suggest, as starters, Othello and David Copperfield?

>141 drasvola: I think this dude is an ass and a troll. This is what happens when you give a 10 year old kid an ipod for his birthday.
Just ignore him Antonio.

> 143, 144

Agree, Thanks. Message 142 was just edited to remove the last part. I have flagged the message.

It would appear that Mugabi is a dictator and no stranger to sanctions. I suggest we leave him and other would-be agents provocateurs to entertain each other while we get on elsewhere with the devotee bit.

> 146

Agree. Thanks, Jonathan. Perhaps beatlemoon is right about the curse...

Devotees will be glad to know Mugabi has been suspended

> 149

Wow! That was fast. Great work! Thank you so much. One less worry.

Shame that sounds temporary. I hope he learns his lesson.

The arguments further up the thread were silly, but that guy was in another league.

Agreed!

Just goes to show what a topic with a name "666 members" can do? LOL ;o)

I don’t think Mugabi is a troll; he’s must be an imp or a demon. When you invoke the Beast, however innocently, you have to be prepared for what follows (616 may be the real number but 666 is the accepted/familiar one and still holds power). This thread is obviously possessed and now I’m going across the street to the church to see if I can borrow some holy water to cleanse my computer.

;-)
(maybe)

We must have an exorcist somewhere in our members.

That's the sort of occupation I would typecast as a 'someone who likes to read'.

Thank you, LucasTrask, for the Abe Lincoln story, used it last night, will see if I have to use it now too.

Thanks for the best idea of the thread, ephemeralda, bound to be some heat sometimes, good idea to bring it here and leave the other threads in peace and stench-free.

Thanks, celtic, for not keeping quiet when so much ugly bullshoot(shoot was one of my old man's around the house words) surfaced from last year. I don't know that devotees
'just don't care', some people spoke up, and the rest, well, they did what they could do for peace by changing the topic with well-mannered civility with possibly some mild ridicule. I doubt tho that the depth of devotees good manners, with the idea of curing any wounds of war, extend to the point where the well-mannered ones would join together to state that the past is over and derogatory comments about LesMiserables et al are unacceptable for this forum; indeed, what an amazing display of politeness it would be if several former adversaries who were former compadres, who have had a great dislike in their hearts for what happened to our dear forum last year, and blamed it on LesMis, were to bluntly say sorry about last year and why don't you come back, Steve, really missed hearing your thoughts on books and sundry! Really, anybody who loves peace and politeness could speak up.

Hi Steve, sorry about all this mess here again, thanks for showing up now, noble mon.

For my part, I'm movin' on, out of the past, if its ugly head resurfaces, I'll be calling FSD 666.

olepuppy, you're welcome and I appreciate that you took the Abe Lincoln story to heart. I also found a column from two years ago that also discusses what the writer calls Lincoln's 'hot letters'.

I was one of those who supported Steve in his campaign against the unfair pricing practices of FS and I never blamed Steve for what happened in this group. However, I didn't agree with him posting about the price issue in every thread and let him know in a PM to which he politely replied and that was the end of our communications. I am certainly sorry he left and I am sorry if I in any way contributed to his doing so. When left this group I missed his posts and I hope he is willing to once again regularly post his thoughts and sundry.

P.S. I recently was in a specialty bookstore and looked at a small Oxford press title with a SRP of £7.99 / $11.99 which brought back my disappointment with FS's pricing policy.

Does it seem odd to anyone else but me that two of the loudest voices in this thread (olepuppy, supercell) have zero books catalogued in their library???

No, why should it? I own thousands of books, but I haven't cataloged one in almost three years.

> 156

Thanks for the vote of confidence olepuppy.

I have kind of moved on from this site; only making this brief return on this thread in an effort to stop being harassed by people who can't let go of bitterness.
I had not made one post since I left yet the abuse continued explicitly with my name attached to it. It simply got to the stage that I had to say something.

I see little point coming back to the forum: price is a 'huge' issue for those who are exploited by the FS policy yet it gets on people's nerves when one talks about it. NIMBYISM.

I therefore pushed for change; directly to the MD etc and received, lets just say, capitalist replies.

Thus, I voted with my feet: I am not a member and do not buy their books.

I do think their books are nice and remain a devotee in the sense that I am devoted to my reasonable collection.

>156 olepuppy:

I understand and agree with your sentiments entirely Olepuppy - wise words and good advice (from LucasTrask and ephemaralda as well).

For myself, I find it more problematic. I hadn't thought about the 'debates of last year for a long time. My reason for (maybe foolishly) getting involved in this thread was the post (completely out of the blue) referring to 'Qaida' and 'Talibans'. I am retired and spend a lot of my time working with charities that bring me into contact with the victims of terrorism and their families (as do many parents with sons posted abroad). This, probably, made me more sensitive than I would normally be to the senseless comments and once the poster was welcomed back I reacted accordingly (perhaps excessively).

At that point I was thinking less about last years debate.

Then we got the long rambling post quoting from the manifesto of the murderer who committed the unimaginable atrocities in Norway and the pathetic attempts to link it to Devotee posters by the 'erudite' poster who had been 'welcomed back' by someone who had been trying to convince them to re-join the Devotees for months and the comment 'thank you supercell' from one poster (this, shortly after the events and almost contemporary with the post expressing sympathy on this forum).

I didn't post at this time as my words would have been unacceptable.

Then we were shown the message with "......FS devotees have become a pathetic and frustrated bunch full of their own self importance......", "A pompous bunch of morons..", "..sycophantic well wishers..".

Whilst much less of an issue than the previous comments I was surprised when most of the posts in relation to this castigated LesMis for bringing these deeply personal and offensive comments to our attention and the author of the comments was seen as the victim!

I also realised that what is posted on these threads by some is not what they mean, that is reserved for PM's and the like.

I had never sent a 'PM' prior to this thread and thought that the debates required honesty. I now realise that my naivety makes me ill-equipped to participate in these forums.

So - you are right Olepuppy, I will 'move on', but for me the 'moving on' is driven by different reasons.

>158 rbott:

Olepuppy has commented on his library many times. Some of my happiest purchases over the last year have come as a result of his posts on his own purchases.

>160 LesMiserables:

Makes complete sense to me LesMis. I miss your posts, but understand why you had to reply on this thread and why you aren't 'coming back'.

Well met, gentle men three, all graces to thee.

157
Good Abe article, thanks LT, somehow his 'hot' language seems mild...thanks too for sharing your thoughts on pricing, then and now...the old days of rushing to get new Folio's is done for me because of pricing, but they were a blast.

159
Well then, all the best LesMis, see ya at LOA...

160
Well, I am blessed, another noble mon...and both from Scotland, that explains it! You've kept a more accurate track of the arguments than I have, celtic, and I respect your every word here...

...maybe these Eliot Pattison stories with some wonderful Tibetan Buddhist pacifists I've been reading combined with old Abe are mellowing me...so maybe I thought some others would be able to extend the olive branch...but maybe everyone's in church today and tomorrow they'll prove they're not just Sunday Christians...and I won't have to use the Al Pacino flamethrower bit(well, relatively mellow).

158
Hey, rbott, I don't get the connection between not cataloguing and being loud, but I assure you I am not a mole for a bonded leather bookbinder. I came to LT when I googled a Folio book and found the 'devotees' site winter before last, then joined some other forums, they are one of several nice LT features. Personally, I wonder about the members with no info, eh, 2nd variety, hmm?

Anyway, today is my old Nana O'Neill's birthday, she almost made a hundred, she was a right pistol, I remember at 89 she sat at a sports bar with me and matched my six mugs of beer telling old stories of the family, and she loved to laugh and dance, she was most definitely outspoken and irreverent, so here goes, Nana my love...

Peggy O'Neill was driving to work and was almost late for an important meeting and she couldn't find a parking spot at her office, so she prayed," Dear God, if you can get me a parkin space, I'll start goin to church on Sundays and I'll give up the whiskey."

Immediately in front of her a car pulls put to leave an empty spot, so she says,"Never mind, Lord, I found one!"

...She liked old peoples jokes, cause she was old too, so she may have enjoyed this...

While old George was driving one morning on the freeway to town his wife Martha was watching the news. Suddenly she jumps up and phones George on his cell phone," George, be careful, the news said there's a car goin the wrong way on the freeway."

George replies, " Hell, Martha, there's not just one, there's hundreds of 'em!"

...And she did laugh her butt off at this rather crude one...

3 old guys were sittin around, moanin about gettin old, and the 70 year old said, "yep, every mornin I gotta drain the lizard and alls I get is a dribble, and I wait and I stand there and I wait and it's just drop drop drop, man it's hell gettin old."

Then the 80 year old says,' Yep, every morning I gotta dump a load but it won't move! So I push and grunt and moan and squeeze and push , all that work to get just a little plop, man, it's hell gettin old."

The 90 year old fella says," Yep every mornin before 8 I take a big ole leak and a big ole dumper, yessirree"...And the other guys ask,"what's so bad about that?'

And the 90 year old says," I don't wake up until 9!"

Anyway, everybody, it's for laughin...and sleep tight, darlin'.

I really do not want to resurrect this thread but this question has to be asked:

How about those Red Sox?

> 163

Without looking it up, all I know about the Red Sox is that they are a team in America. American Football and are in the Superbowl Final right? I think they are from Alabama, right?

;-)

>164 LesMiserables:

Red Sox, Crimson Tide...baseball, football...Massachusetts, Alabama...pretty close, LesMis...that is, closer than the Red Sox are to playing in the postseason!^)

Ha!

>163 olepuppy:
Red Sox fans may not like what happened in September, but they sure won't ever forget it.
Wednesday night was quite incredible, in both leagues.

And now we have the drama of the playoffs!

It's like the old Red Sox are back! You know, the cursed Sox...good to see you again, gents. Go Yankees! :)

Hail, Hail the Celts are here!