Francis Defends Evolution And Big Bang: ‘God Is Not A Magician’
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1JGL53
http://reverbpress.com/news/international/pope-francis-defends-evolution-big-ban...
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a.k.a. Pope Francis, is the first Jesuit pope in history - that is my understanding. Jesuits are the H.R.C.C.'s intellectuals. Ergo he is most probably an atheist. But that is on the Q.T., as P.F. definitely would not want that fact known. You don't want to mess with the Jesuits. They know where all the bodies are buried (especially those in Argentina regarding this guy, if you know what I mean). Jesuits pretty much head up the Illuminati. Enough said, I guess. (So - no one talk to anyone about all this - it is secret stuff - ok?)
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a.k.a. Pope Francis, is the first Jesuit pope in history - that is my understanding. Jesuits are the H.R.C.C.'s intellectuals. Ergo he is most probably an atheist. But that is on the Q.T., as P.F. definitely would not want that fact known. You don't want to mess with the Jesuits. They know where all the bodies are buried (especially those in Argentina regarding this guy, if you know what I mean). Jesuits pretty much head up the Illuminati. Enough said, I guess. (So - no one talk to anyone about all this - it is secret stuff - ok?)
2John5918
In fact it is so secret that we started a thread about it on 29th October 2014.
Evolution and creation both right, says pope
Evolution and creation both right, says pope
3timspalding
Ergo he is most probably an atheist.
Probably.
Probably.
4paradoxosalpha
I've recently been reading some 19th-century material that refers to "Jesuitism" as a generic category to embrace the effort to subordinate philosophy (including "natural philosophy" or the physical sciences) to a religious agenda. Of course, to even attempt such a subordination with any chance of success, the Jesuits would need to have a much better understanding of science than your garden-variety theocrat, or most Christian clergy, for that matter.
It would be such an entertaining development if Bergoglio were to succeed Adolfo Nicolás on the latter's resignation (anticipated to be next year). Francis would thus become "black pope" as well as white!
It would be such an entertaining development if Bergoglio were to succeed Adolfo Nicolás on the latter's resignation (anticipated to be next year). Francis would thus become "black pope" as well as white!
5JGL53
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Actually there Timbo I was being somewhat facetious - as usual. But by continuing to give props to evolution and now the 'big bang', and also alerting the hoi polloi that god is not "magic" - well, El Popo is de-emphasizing the Judge/King in the sky image of a god and going with a more deistic, or even apophatic definition, i.e., a presumption that "god is first cause, yeah, but then chill out there, folks." sort of thing.
As I said, the Jesuits are hardcore intellectuals. They just realize that the masses of humankind have to be slowly eased into the age of reason - sort of the way one effectively boils a live frog, one degree at a time rather than all at once (into the bubbling caldron of facing the facts like adults).
Perhaps the next pope will totally jump the shark and steal some of the pantheistic thunder from the far east Buddhist/Hindu/Taoist take on ontology. That Kumbaya day may come sooner than we can imagine - maybe only a few decades after all the gays get married and all the heteros get divorced. Maybe the election of President Bernie Sanders will be the sign from the divine realm that will usher in the New Age of Universal Love and Peace here on earth. Then there will be nothing serious left to debate, I suppose, except sports.
Actually there Timbo I was being somewhat facetious - as usual. But by continuing to give props to evolution and now the 'big bang', and also alerting the hoi polloi that god is not "magic" - well, El Popo is de-emphasizing the Judge/King in the sky image of a god and going with a more deistic, or even apophatic definition, i.e., a presumption that "god is first cause, yeah, but then chill out there, folks." sort of thing.
As I said, the Jesuits are hardcore intellectuals. They just realize that the masses of humankind have to be slowly eased into the age of reason - sort of the way one effectively boils a live frog, one degree at a time rather than all at once (into the bubbling caldron of facing the facts like adults).
Perhaps the next pope will totally jump the shark and steal some of the pantheistic thunder from the far east Buddhist/Hindu/Taoist take on ontology. That Kumbaya day may come sooner than we can imagine - maybe only a few decades after all the gays get married and all the heteros get divorced. Maybe the election of President Bernie Sanders will be the sign from the divine realm that will usher in the New Age of Universal Love and Peace here on earth. Then there will be nothing serious left to debate, I suppose, except sports.
6timspalding
Actually there Timbo I was being somewhat facetious - as usual. But by continuing to give props to evolution and now the 'big bang', and also alerting the hoi polloi that god is not "magic"
None of this is new. The only thing that's changing is the content of heads that didn't understand that.
well, El Popo is de-emphasizing the Judge/King in the sky image of a god and going with a more deistic, or even apophatic definition, i.e., a presumption that "god is first cause, yeah, but then chill out there, folks
This also is wrong.
None of this is new. The only thing that's changing is the content of heads that didn't understand that.
well, El Popo is de-emphasizing the Judge/King in the sky image of a god and going with a more deistic, or even apophatic definition, i.e., a presumption that "god is first cause, yeah, but then chill out there, folks
This also is wrong.
7JGL53
> 4
"...if Bergoglio were to succeed Adolfo Nicolás on the latter's resignation (anticipated to be next year). Francis would thus become 'black pope' as well as white!"
That would be cool and apropos, since we are living in the Age of Obama, are we not?
"...if Bergoglio were to succeed Adolfo Nicolás on the latter's resignation (anticipated to be next year). Francis would thus become 'black pope' as well as white!"
That would be cool and apropos, since we are living in the Age of Obama, are we not?
8JGL53
> 6
"None of this is new. The only thing that's changing is the content of heads that didn't understand that."
Well, maybe the Number of heads which understand it. That certainly seems to be increasing with time.
Also, btw, there is that "there is nothing new under the sun" cliché. E.g., atheistic materialism seems to date from around 2,600 years ago - the Carvakas or Lokayatas of ancient India:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/carvakas.asp
As far as we know the Carvakas could have been the originators of The Illuminati. Hard to say.
"None of this is new. The only thing that's changing is the content of heads that didn't understand that."
Well, maybe the Number of heads which understand it. That certainly seems to be increasing with time.
Also, btw, there is that "there is nothing new under the sun" cliché. E.g., atheistic materialism seems to date from around 2,600 years ago - the Carvakas or Lokayatas of ancient India:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/carvakas.asp
As far as we know the Carvakas could have been the originators of The Illuminati. Hard to say.
9John5918
The apophatic tradition has always been one strand of Christian spirituality - nothing new there - one strand amongst others.
10JGL53
> 9
"The apophatic tradition has always been one strand of Christian spirituality - nothing new there - one strand amongst others."
Uh - nothing is new under the sun - as stated in the previous post?
Only it seems that some old concepts are new to some people's minds and that is why these old concepts as extant choices need mentioning when appropriate to do so.
But - apparently, and very conveniently, god has many strands - an infinite number of strands.
Regarding El Popo's "god is not magic" strand - that seems a good one to me, so I'm on board with that. Why not? - it does seem to cut out most if not all of the unnecessary and potentially anti-humanist ideologies which sick minds have conjured up over the millennia, as regards the divine realm or the ground of being.
"The apophatic tradition has always been one strand of Christian spirituality - nothing new there - one strand amongst others."
Uh - nothing is new under the sun - as stated in the previous post?
Only it seems that some old concepts are new to some people's minds and that is why these old concepts as extant choices need mentioning when appropriate to do so.
But - apparently, and very conveniently, god has many strands - an infinite number of strands.
Regarding El Popo's "god is not magic" strand - that seems a good one to me, so I'm on board with that. Why not? - it does seem to cut out most if not all of the unnecessary and potentially anti-humanist ideologies which sick minds have conjured up over the millennia, as regards the divine realm or the ground of being.
11zangasta
Except that he probably still maintains some woo about a soul, specifically timing it with conception and / or some magical point of time in man's evolution. And he probably won't be denouncing Ratzinger's insistence on the "fundamental" nature of a certain claim of virginity any time soon...
It really is just the same old same old. Attempting to have science's cake and eat it.
It really is just the same old same old. Attempting to have science's cake and eat it.
12JGL53
> 11
I agree. Being a convinced non-theist I suspect no theist will ever impress me with his or her great and insightful thoughts regarding the unknown and great beyond. They sure as heck haven't yet.
That being said I do find it encouraging when some influential ecclesiastical person takes a tiny step in the right direction, for whatever reason, in the war of rationalism and science vs. superstition and egotism. Slowly but surely we move into the light. Let us not allow perfection be the enemy of the good. Let us give applause to El Popo for his increasing attempts to join the 21st century, as best he can, while we continue to properly criticize the paranoiac and self-worshiping mindset that still seems to rule the minds of most humans, dating back to when humans first began to walk upright and began to utilize fire. I think that is fair.
I agree. Being a convinced non-theist I suspect no theist will ever impress me with his or her great and insightful thoughts regarding the unknown and great beyond. They sure as heck haven't yet.
That being said I do find it encouraging when some influential ecclesiastical person takes a tiny step in the right direction, for whatever reason, in the war of rationalism and science vs. superstition and egotism. Slowly but surely we move into the light. Let us not allow perfection be the enemy of the good. Let us give applause to El Popo for his increasing attempts to join the 21st century, as best he can, while we continue to properly criticize the paranoiac and self-worshiping mindset that still seems to rule the minds of most humans, dating back to when humans first began to walk upright and began to utilize fire. I think that is fair.
