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1AnnaClaire
Oct 7, 2007, 10:44 am

I've just taken a look at fiction books recommended for me. Besides the high number of books that shouldn't be recommended here anyway (I've complained about that here), I noticed that constituent works get recommended even though I have them all in bundled form. Mostly I see this with J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy. I have this one-volume edition, but still got recommended The Two Towers under popular books I don't have. Problem is, I do have it - but it counts as a different work because it's bundled with The Fellowship of the Ring and The Return of the King.

Can this be fixed?

2nperrin
Oct 7, 2007, 10:50 am

LT doesn't "know" that The Two Towers is "inside" The Lord of the Rings (too many movies and other weirdnesses to touchstone those right). We will need a super-/subwork concept for this to work properly.

3AnnaClaire
Oct 7, 2007, 1:00 pm

Would that be particularly difficult to do? I'll admit, it's only one aspect of a larger offness in the recommendations, but it's still an issue.

4nperrin
Oct 7, 2007, 1:02 pm

Well, it's been a suggested improvement pretty much since works have existed as a concept, and I've seen Tim say in the past that he has some misgivings about how difficult it would be to implement.

5infiniteletters
Oct 7, 2007, 11:06 pm

3: Yes. :)

Database design/structure, stability, content (who decides what works contain other works, how far does it go down, etc).

6lorax
Oct 8, 2007, 3:17 pm

AnnaClaire @3, it would require adding another layer entirely to the structure -- actually, potentially several, since _The Two Towers_ is contained by _The Lord of the Rings_, but it contains volumes 3 and 4 of the seven-volume edition (which someone concievably could have entered as separate volumes.) Then there are the many omnibus editions combined in different ways, where you can have Book X by an author existing on its own, and in editions combined with Book Y or Book Z (separately), or with both of them....

And then there are the people entering short stories -- they may want to start associating a given anthology with each story in it, and a given story with each anthology in which it appears. It gets ugly fast.

7fyrefly98
Oct 8, 2007, 4:01 pm

Perhaps an interim solution to this (and other) recommendations issues would be a "not interested" button by each of the recommendations?

That way, the LT database doesn't have to be structured to "know" anything about the meta/sub-works, and people will only be annoyed by the "I already have this"-type of recommendations once.

8AnnaClaire
Oct 8, 2007, 4:29 pm

That might work, but it's only a good interim solution for this problem if the removing the sub-work in question from what you've been recommended doesn't prejudice your recommendations against books like the one you're removing as well.

9infiniteletters
Oct 8, 2007, 6:45 pm

7: That would be good too, but for entirely different reasons. :)

10AntAllan
Edited: Oct 10, 2007, 5:59 pm

6: Do you really need add another layer to the structure? Surely any work is still a work, but might have pointers to multiple children and/or multiple parents...

If ∈ (is an element of) means "is a child of", then

Book III ∈ The Two TowersThe Lord of the Rings

and

Book III ∈ The Lord of the Rings

are both true/possible relationships.

But I guess that would make listing the children of LOTR ... odd ...