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1richardbsmith
From Wonk
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/02/bill-cosby-might-have-cha...
Reports of rape are increasing.
Stigma is less? Victim blame less?
And apparently police attitudes and procedures are changing as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/02/bill-cosby-might-have-cha...
Reports of rape are increasing.
Stigma is less? Victim blame less?
And apparently police attitudes and procedures are changing as well.
2timspalding
It would be nice if something good came out of the whole despicable affair.
3richardbsmith
Cosby's new legacy?
4JGL53
^
Is it too late to prosecute rapist Bill Clinton - or his wife for engaging in criminal cover-up?
Guess so.
Is it too late to prosecute rapist Bill Clinton - or his wife for engaging in criminal cover-up?
Guess so.
5faceinbook
>4 JGL53:
I suggest we move to prosecute all men who have committed criminal acts when it comes to sex. This would certainly open the job market for women.
If you insist that Ms Clinton somehow is guilty of criminal behavior in her reactions to her husband's actions, then I suggest that all women who have had to look the other way press charges of their own... Abuse maybe ? Neglect ? Emotional stress ?
We could empty the prisons of all the young Black men and fill it with entitled powerful White men.
Geez......
I suggest we move to prosecute all men who have committed criminal acts when it comes to sex. This would certainly open the job market for women.
If you insist that Ms Clinton somehow is guilty of criminal behavior in her reactions to her husband's actions, then I suggest that all women who have had to look the other way press charges of their own... Abuse maybe ? Neglect ? Emotional stress ?
We could empty the prisons of all the young Black men and fill it with entitled powerful White men.
Geez......
6richardbsmith
Powerful white men yes.
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWz4yTrc9s (warning very harsh language music)
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWz4yTrc9s (warning very harsh language music)
7JGL53
> 5 - especially "...If you insist that Ms Clinton somehow is guilty of criminal behavior in her reactions to her husband's actions, then I suggest that all women who have had to look the other way press charges of their own... Abuse maybe ? Neglect ? Emotional stress ?..."
When I said "....his wife for engaging in criminal cover-up..." - apparently you are not familiar with my reference. It was not that Hillary "just looked the other way", to quote you again. Far from it. FAR far from it.
It is just that there is good reason to believe Hillary engaged in strong-armed tactics and overt intimidation to keep one of Bill's rape victims silent. One assumes this was not engendered by some pure and lasting love of Hillary for Bill but for pure political expediency. I.e., her husband being revealed publically as a rapist, perhaps even charged or convicted as a rapist, seemed such a potential detriment to her political ambitions (the two of them tied together in the public mind so greatly) that she felt NO compassion for an abused woman and GREAT concern for her own damned political and financial advancement in the world.
Three women have accused Bill Clinton of raping them. Most feminists ALWAYS believe the woman in all "she said, he said" situations. EXCEPT many of them, especially the NOW feminists, believed the man in this incidence - against the testimony of THREE women. They dismissed the women as all being lying republican plants. Feminists all love Bill Clinton. Because he is right on the issues. His private life is not that much of a concern for them - apparently.
Watch this video. Does rape victim Juanita Broaddrick strike you as a liar? Does her story ring false? Part of her story involves the criminal - or near criminal actions - of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the wife of the rapist.
I chose to believe the woman. Because I do not think she had any motivation to lie. And her story rings true, knowing what I know about the sorry-ass history of the Clintons. No evidence existing to the contrary to her story, I chose to believe the woman.
Do you have a problem with my attitude and judgment call here? Well, if you think she is a liar, then fine. If that is what your mind and conscience tell you, then go with it. I have my standards, and you have yours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrlZ_WbjF8
When I said "....his wife for engaging in criminal cover-up..." - apparently you are not familiar with my reference. It was not that Hillary "just looked the other way", to quote you again. Far from it. FAR far from it.
It is just that there is good reason to believe Hillary engaged in strong-armed tactics and overt intimidation to keep one of Bill's rape victims silent. One assumes this was not engendered by some pure and lasting love of Hillary for Bill but for pure political expediency. I.e., her husband being revealed publically as a rapist, perhaps even charged or convicted as a rapist, seemed such a potential detriment to her political ambitions (the two of them tied together in the public mind so greatly) that she felt NO compassion for an abused woman and GREAT concern for her own damned political and financial advancement in the world.
Three women have accused Bill Clinton of raping them. Most feminists ALWAYS believe the woman in all "she said, he said" situations. EXCEPT many of them, especially the NOW feminists, believed the man in this incidence - against the testimony of THREE women. They dismissed the women as all being lying republican plants. Feminists all love Bill Clinton. Because he is right on the issues. His private life is not that much of a concern for them - apparently.
Watch this video. Does rape victim Juanita Broaddrick strike you as a liar? Does her story ring false? Part of her story involves the criminal - or near criminal actions - of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the wife of the rapist.
I chose to believe the woman. Because I do not think she had any motivation to lie. And her story rings true, knowing what I know about the sorry-ass history of the Clintons. No evidence existing to the contrary to her story, I chose to believe the woman.
Do you have a problem with my attitude and judgment call here? Well, if you think she is a liar, then fine. If that is what your mind and conscience tell you, then go with it. I have my standards, and you have yours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrlZ_WbjF8
8JGL53
> 7
Correction to above. I must apologize. There were not a total of three women who have alleged publically that Bill Clinton raped them. It is more like two dozen women. (And this has nothing to do with dozens and dozens of sordid consensual liaisons. That is an entirely different issue.)
Again, my apologies for the above inaccuracy.
Correction to above. I must apologize. There were not a total of three women who have alleged publically that Bill Clinton raped them. It is more like two dozen women. (And this has nothing to do with dozens and dozens of sordid consensual liaisons. That is an entirely different issue.)
Again, my apologies for the above inaccuracy.
9barney67
"Reports of rape"
Key word: reports. Not occurrences of rape. Just reports. That would include false reports.
Key word: reports. Not occurrences of rape. Just reports. That would include false reports.
10JGL53
> 9
"....Key word: reports. Not occurrences of rape. Just reports. That would include false reports."
Yes. Just like Bill Cosby. Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like in tens of thousands of other cases.
Your point being, I am assuming, barney, that where there is a god damn fuck-load of smoke there doesn't necessarily have to be a fire. Sometimes a shitload of people just make up the smoke, right? To fuck over some poor celebrity, right? For the money, right?
Just like you, barney, I have a strong tendency to believe the man and disbelieve the woman in all cases of "he said, she said" rape allegations and denials.
You do realize, don't you barney, that that is because, like many if not most men, you and I are both assholes?
However, sometimes I likes to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt. I guess it has to do with what we could call numerology - the study of numbers.
It is sort of like when a whole barnful of cows all tell the same story - that the bull did them dirty. But the bull says "Oh, no I didn't!" I'm thinking maybe that old bull doesn't have a very convincing story. (That's a metaphor, barney. Are you following my drift?)
Actually, there are around thirty women who claim Bill Clinton raped them, starting all the way back when he was a Rhodes Scholar student at Oxford in England. (They have manners over there. I wonder if he firstly always told them "Close your eyes and think of England."?)
Now, thirty is a far cry from Cosby's sixty, granted, but thirty is a fairly impressive number to me. The legal question of proof aside, I suspect that most people, men or women, would agree with me by this time that to think Cosby might himself be the victim of a frame-up! - well, such a person would have to be a Cosby family member or friend, perhaps even a rapist himself, or maybe even mentally-retarded.
Bending over backward to suspect the near impossible has its limits for me. I can only bend so far. At some point I have to, uh, ejaculate "Whoa, Nelly - I don't need to be informed of even one more deposition - I think I get the picture now."
But you have higher standards, right barney? You are the man, barney. (And I don't mean that in a positive way.)
"....Key word: reports. Not occurrences of rape. Just reports. That would include false reports."
Yes. Just like Bill Cosby. Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just like in tens of thousands of other cases.
Your point being, I am assuming, barney, that where there is a god damn fuck-load of smoke there doesn't necessarily have to be a fire. Sometimes a shitload of people just make up the smoke, right? To fuck over some poor celebrity, right? For the money, right?
Just like you, barney, I have a strong tendency to believe the man and disbelieve the woman in all cases of "he said, she said" rape allegations and denials.
You do realize, don't you barney, that that is because, like many if not most men, you and I are both assholes?
However, sometimes I likes to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt. I guess it has to do with what we could call numerology - the study of numbers.
It is sort of like when a whole barnful of cows all tell the same story - that the bull did them dirty. But the bull says "Oh, no I didn't!" I'm thinking maybe that old bull doesn't have a very convincing story. (That's a metaphor, barney. Are you following my drift?)
Actually, there are around thirty women who claim Bill Clinton raped them, starting all the way back when he was a Rhodes Scholar student at Oxford in England. (They have manners over there. I wonder if he firstly always told them "Close your eyes and think of England."?)
Now, thirty is a far cry from Cosby's sixty, granted, but thirty is a fairly impressive number to me. The legal question of proof aside, I suspect that most people, men or women, would agree with me by this time that to think Cosby might himself be the victim of a frame-up! - well, such a person would have to be a Cosby family member or friend, perhaps even a rapist himself, or maybe even mentally-retarded.
Bending over backward to suspect the near impossible has its limits for me. I can only bend so far. At some point I have to, uh, ejaculate "Whoa, Nelly - I don't need to be informed of even one more deposition - I think I get the picture now."
But you have higher standards, right barney? You are the man, barney. (And I don't mean that in a positive way.)
11faceinbook
>10 JGL53:
Your post would carry a lot more weight if you were a woman. What I see, once again, is a male throwing around the idea of rape as a tool to discredit a powerful woman. You are using rape as a political tool to back up your opinions.
Sorry...just comes off that way.
Powerful men have always used their money and their positions to get what they want....whether with consent or not. It is not legal nor is it fair but it goes way beyond my imagination how a man can sit and denigrate a woman over "reports" of rape her husband may or may not have committed. Looks petty.
Going back into the 60's and 70's and trying to prove a rape case is really a waste of time......how many early groupies, following the big rock bands of that era, do you think were raped ? How many did the Kennedy's rape ? What about the Rat Pack ? Should we go back further......
Sadly, women who hang around men who think they have power and entitlement, often are abused. Not so sure why some insist on using this as a political football.
Your post would carry a lot more weight if you were a woman. What I see, once again, is a male throwing around the idea of rape as a tool to discredit a powerful woman. You are using rape as a political tool to back up your opinions.
Sorry...just comes off that way.
Powerful men have always used their money and their positions to get what they want....whether with consent or not. It is not legal nor is it fair but it goes way beyond my imagination how a man can sit and denigrate a woman over "reports" of rape her husband may or may not have committed. Looks petty.
Going back into the 60's and 70's and trying to prove a rape case is really a waste of time......how many early groupies, following the big rock bands of that era, do you think were raped ? How many did the Kennedy's rape ? What about the Rat Pack ? Should we go back further......
Sadly, women who hang around men who think they have power and entitlement, often are abused. Not so sure why some insist on using this as a political football.
12barney67
I don't see what Cosby has to do with this. Rape existed before Cosby and will exist after. You think because Cosby was exposed, so to speak, that more women will admit to being raped? How would you prove they took their cues from the Cosby scandal? Admit to whom? The press? Why would they want to do that? To help other women? Would that really help? How do you know that?
If they tell a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist has the freedom to report even an attempt to the police. I suspect that is true with other MDs as well.
The idea that only women can understand this subject is sexist, narrow-minded, and very offensive. I've never heard a man defend a clear case of rape. I'm talking about reality now, not what you see on TV or in a newspaper. It takes a shockingly low opinion of men to believe that. I wonder where such a dark, cynical view comes from.
In the world I grew up in, women are not at all hesitant to accuse a man of rape.
If they tell a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist has the freedom to report even an attempt to the police. I suspect that is true with other MDs as well.
The idea that only women can understand this subject is sexist, narrow-minded, and very offensive. I've never heard a man defend a clear case of rape. I'm talking about reality now, not what you see on TV or in a newspaper. It takes a shockingly low opinion of men to believe that. I wonder where such a dark, cynical view comes from.
In the world I grew up in, women are not at all hesitant to accuse a man of rape.
13SimonW11
>12 barney67: "I've never heard a man defend a clear case of rape."
In my experience opinions of what constitutes a clear case of rape often vary along gender lines.
"In the world I grew up in, women are not at all hesitant to accuse a man of rape. "
Really? you are that sure you know the number of unreported crimes.
In my experience opinions of what constitutes a clear case of rape often vary along gender lines.
"In the world I grew up in, women are not at all hesitant to accuse a man of rape. "
Really? you are that sure you know the number of unreported crimes.
14RickHarsch
>12 barney67: 'I wonder where such a dark, cynical view comes from.' Rape, for one instance.
15JGL53
> 11
Again, you ignore the issue and continue on in the same vein as before, as if you were a freaking robot or mechanical automaton.
The question which you refuse to address (apparently) is whether you believe Juanita Broaddrick is a liar or is telling the truth. Would you share your thoughts on that or does addressing that issue somehow throw you off your game?
If Broaddrick is telling the truth, as I believe, then Hillary is guilty of behavior nearly as disgusting and heinous as rape. If she is lying, then Hillary is an innocent victim - twice over. Which is it?
You seem to see rape as some political issue that is useful to make feminist points. I myself could care less abut the gender politics. You seem not to care whether Bill Clinton is a rapist or not. What does it matter - that seems to be your attitude. Whether Hillary Clinton knew he is a serial rapist and did her best to cover it up, even attempting to intimidate Bill's victims into remaining silent - that issue does not seem to concern you.
Other than venting your spleen on me and trying to make the case that I am the bad guy here and I must therefore be called out, by you (and other caring people, one supposes), what are you even doing on this thread?
Forget poor little me for about five minutes. My alleged sexist attitude is not the primary issue here. The question if one of truth. The question has been put to you - DO YOU BELIEVE JUANITA BROADDRICK OR DO YOU THINK SHE IS LYING - ABOUT HILLARY SPECIFICALLY?
Can you answer that question? If you can we can move on and stop the seemingly endless circling around to the start.
If you cannot or will not answer that one simple question then tell me so I can then put you on permanent hardcore block. Because I will not continue an "argument" with a recorded set message that cannot or will not ever change.
Again, you ignore the issue and continue on in the same vein as before, as if you were a freaking robot or mechanical automaton.
The question which you refuse to address (apparently) is whether you believe Juanita Broaddrick is a liar or is telling the truth. Would you share your thoughts on that or does addressing that issue somehow throw you off your game?
If Broaddrick is telling the truth, as I believe, then Hillary is guilty of behavior nearly as disgusting and heinous as rape. If she is lying, then Hillary is an innocent victim - twice over. Which is it?
You seem to see rape as some political issue that is useful to make feminist points. I myself could care less abut the gender politics. You seem not to care whether Bill Clinton is a rapist or not. What does it matter - that seems to be your attitude. Whether Hillary Clinton knew he is a serial rapist and did her best to cover it up, even attempting to intimidate Bill's victims into remaining silent - that issue does not seem to concern you.
Other than venting your spleen on me and trying to make the case that I am the bad guy here and I must therefore be called out, by you (and other caring people, one supposes), what are you even doing on this thread?
Forget poor little me for about five minutes. My alleged sexist attitude is not the primary issue here. The question if one of truth. The question has been put to you - DO YOU BELIEVE JUANITA BROADDRICK OR DO YOU THINK SHE IS LYING - ABOUT HILLARY SPECIFICALLY?
Can you answer that question? If you can we can move on and stop the seemingly endless circling around to the start.
If you cannot or will not answer that one simple question then tell me so I can then put you on permanent hardcore block. Because I will not continue an "argument" with a recorded set message that cannot or will not ever change.
16JGL53
> 12
I read through your post twice. It makes no sense to me.
You seem confused. Is it something I said?
Reread my post. Is there something there you don't understand?
Some of what I said was parody or sarcasm. Is such beyond your ability to appreciate?
This issue is not that complex. This is not rocket science or brain surgery. What can I do to help you understand the issue better?
I read through your post twice. It makes no sense to me.
You seem confused. Is it something I said?
Reread my post. Is there something there you don't understand?
Some of what I said was parody or sarcasm. Is such beyond your ability to appreciate?
This issue is not that complex. This is not rocket science or brain surgery. What can I do to help you understand the issue better?
