Harriet Tubman and Trump

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Harriet Tubman and Trump

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1madpoet
Apr 25, 2016, 2:08 am

Hmm... has anyone else noticed the irony that, at a time when a presidential candidate is talking about a wall to keep 'illegal immigrants' out, the U.S. has decided to honour a woman who is famous for helping 'illegal emigrants' to escape the U.S.?

This may be an historical first: the only time a country has featured someone on their currency whose role was to help people escape that country!

2barney67
Apr 25, 2016, 1:56 pm

The two subjects have nothing to do with each other.

Wikpedia states Tubman escaped Maryland through the use of the Underground Railroad, aided particularly by the Quakers -- my ancestors among them, I might add, whose last names I see prominently displayed throughout Maryland. Tubman escaped into Pennsylania.

Soon after, Tubman helped other slaves, not all of them emigrants, i.e. went to Pennsylvania and surrounding states.. An emigrant is someone who leaves their country to settle permanently in another. Some did move to southern Ontario and other parts parts of present-day Canada owned by the British Empire which had abolished slavery. Possibly the slave movement was due to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which placed a fine on anyone helping slaves escape their masters.

Some other interesting facts about Tubman. She was a devout Christian who had visions and dreams she believed were premonitions from God. In 1849, the same year she escaped, her master had tried to sell her because she was sick but couldn't find a buyer. Tubman prayed.
First of March I began to pray, "Oh Lord, if you ain't never going to change that man's heart, kill him, Lord, and take him out of the way."
A week later her master died. Boom. But Tubman regretted her prayer.

She carried a gun while helping slaves, even threatening to shoot slaves who tried to turn back. William Lloyd Garrison called her Moses for leading slaves out of capitivity.

3madpoet
Apr 25, 2016, 9:44 pm

>2 barney67: 'an emigrant is someone who leaves their country to settle permanently in another'

I doubt many slaves were planning on returning. Although some did, to rescue loved ones or to fight in the American Civil War. Harriet Tubman herself had a house in St.Catherines, Ontario (now an historical site). After the Fugitive Slave Act, as you mention, the northern states were no longer safe, and the Underground Railroad was extended out of the United States altogether. But that Act was passed in 1850, just a year after Tubman escaped herself, which is why she always lead slaves all the way up to Canada.

But perhaps you are right. Perhaps the slaves escaping to freedom in Canaan (Canada) would better be described as refugees.

4barney67
Apr 26, 2016, 3:05 pm

>3 madpoet: Always? I didn't see any mention of slaves always going to Canada. Some did.

It would be interesting to know how northerners in these states reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act, given that these were already free states. The assumption might be that anyone would turn in a slave for a quick buck. I'm not certain of that.

5madpoet
Apr 26, 2016, 8:40 pm

>4 barney67: Many northerners were outraged at the Fugitive Slave Act. There were protests and even riots. Sheriffs in the northern states had to arrest fugitive slaves or face a fine of up to $1,000 (which was a lot of money back then, of course!) Worse, free blacks had to 'prove' that they were not slaves, or they could get snatched up by slave hunters and sold in the south. Some free black Americans left the States, or moved away from the 'border' states (near the Mason-Dixon Line) to New England, where there was more sympathy for them.

Slave traders (as opposed to owners) were considered the lowest class of humans, even in the south. Only the most degraded, cruel, mercenary person could do such a thing.

6margd
Apr 23, 2018, 7:49 am

Trail-of-Tears prez Andrew Jackson won't be displaced from $20 bill any time Trump can be president, i.e., the next six years.
Treasury Secretary Mnuchin says it's not a priority to put his signature on new bill...

People Are Worried Donald Trump Will Reverse the Plan to Put Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill
Madeline Farber December 5, 2016
http://fortune.com/2016/12/05/donald-trump-harriet-tubman-20-bill/

The Harriet Tubman $20 Bill Plan Has Been Put on the Back Burner
Madeline Farber December 5, 2016
http://fortune.com/2018/04/19/harriet-tubman-20-dollar-bill-delayed/

7pmackey
Apr 23, 2018, 12:13 pm

I hope getting Tubman's likeness on the $20 bill doesn't take too long. It's amazing what she did, and at great danger to herself.

Besides she's a native Marylander and I got my state pride on.

8rolandperkins
Edited: Apr 24, 2018, 1:59 pm

"other slaves . . . went to Pennsylvania and surrounding states."
"The two subjects have nothing to do with each other." (2)

Yes, Barney67; I was going to ask if Canada was the destination of all the ex-slaves that Tubman aided.

I donʻt, however, agree that
"The two subjects have nothing to do with each other."