Pb with CK fields author page : Date of birth + Gender...

.Com is OK
https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsackerernstuvon/issues

.de ????????????
https://www.librarything.de/author/weizsackerernstuvon/issues

.fr ?????????????
https://www.librarything.fr/author/weizsackerernstuvon/issues

Note : i used a specific access for each language (so 3 here, com/de/fr).. and that to correct in each language (some of these CK fileds)

Complement some mn after :
Impossible to add new CK (as date of birth after desambiguation)

I believe this is all related to these two already existing bugs:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/338847
https://www.librarything.com/topic/338817

An other pb here with ths case

https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsackerernstuvon/names

Impossible to separate

Ernst von Weizsäcker (separate)
No works
see here for complement : https://www.librarything.fr/author/weizsckerernstvon**

** is also https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsckerernstvon-2 ?????????????????

From

Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

An old combinaison (2011) is perhaps cause of probleme
So after desambiguation (1) and (2)

And my actions is to separate completely (1) et (2) cause there's no reason BUT ??????????????

Note : I tried to organize - after real separate - the desambiguation
Between these 2 authors (Author pages / Works, books......) and add a note....

==> so other pb with picture
https://www.librarything.fr/gallery/author/weizsackerernstuvon

https://www.librarything.fr/pic/241830
https://www.librarything.fr/pic/152156

>1 JMK2020:
Same for OPD
At least...

>1 JMK2020: I'm sorry but I always have trouble reading your abbreviations. Would you mind typing out abbreviations, or explaining in more detail what's happening for bug reports, rather than leave notes if possible? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks.

That said, this is related to https://www.librarything.com/topic/338847, so I'm referencing your post over there and closing this.

>3 JMK2020: Sorry, can you clarify what the problem is again?

What name are you trying to separate from https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsackerernstuvon/names?

Also, I'm having trouble understanding the problems with the author images you noted (https://www.librarything.fr/pic/241830 and https://www.librarything.fr/pic/152156): what exactly needs to happen here?

Thank you for clarifying!

About image :

https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsackerernstuvon/names?

Black and White images is for Ernst von Weizsäcker (N° 2 & 3)

and not Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker (Image N° 1 is OK)

More :

I can't separate Ernst von Weizsäcker here :
https://www.librarything.com/author/weizsackerernstuvon/names?

(And it's cause of a part of the combinaison problem)

>8 JMK2020: I just tried and it separated just fine. What error were you getting on the separation issue?

Hm - nope - something is weird. I wonder if we don’t have a canonical name mixing everything up. I’ll look at it tomorrow again.

>9 AnnieMod: Thanks,

After separate (click in "separate" HTTP), Page of "Ernst von Weizsäcker" is open...

But nothing goes on for Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker, and "Ernst von Weizsäcker" stay on

it's as if we had done nothing ??

>10 JMK2020: I can help with a part of this.

I have re-split the author name Ernst von Weizsäcker (/weizsckerernstvon).

(1) is aliased into Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker (/weizsackerernstuvon)
This is because several owners have catalogued "Limits to Privatization..." as the author "Ernst von Weizsäcker" (on the cover artwork it does give his name as just "Ernst von Weizsäcker").

and then (2) is Ernst Heinrich Freiherr von Weizsäcker.

So because the name "Ernst von Weizsäcker" is ambiguous between (1) and (2) it's better to keep the name split. It's easier to do this rather than try to control every work by changing the Primary Author.

I think I've assigned the works correctly to (1) and (2) but have a look and reassign them if I've made any mistake there.

>8 JMK2020: >9 AnnieMod: I think what may have been happening was you were both trying to separate the alias, which although it's listed on the /names page, can't be removed by the "separate" link (possibly shouldn't even have a "separate" link there if it is non-functional, but that's another issue).

>3 JMK2020: The images:
https://www.librarything.com/pic/241830
https://www.librarything.com/pic/152156
Both have been attached to the author name /weizsackerernstuvon which is not the right author (as you already know, they are images of Ernst Heinrich Freiherr von Weizsäcker).

I guess this is a result of incorrect author merges and splits in the past, because there is no /author/weizsckerernstuvon-2

You might want to flag them both for removal.

/pic/241830 it appears somebody noticed it was on the wrong author, because there's another version of that photo (slightly smaller image) on the correct author page, see https://www.librarything.com/pic/241858 that was uploaded a day later.

/pic/152156 if you are flagging for removal you might want to re-upload onto the correct author, will leave that decision for you or others.

Hope that was some help to you.

>11 Nevov:

Thank you but it's not ideal : All CK fields are empty for (1) with this combinaison and that's why I put this note on each author in CK desambiguation

- Ernst Heinrich Freiherr von Weizsäcker (1882-1951, Author of "Memoirs of Ernst Von Weizsacker"

- Ernst Ulrich von WEIZSÄCKER (1939- )

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Wait and See.
When I have some time.

What is unfortunate is that I spend a lot of time with the CKs and that they sometimes disappear with combinations in one language or another in addition (and I also have many institutional bases corrected)

;-)

It is true that (1) has no CK on it, but if you wish you can duplicate the CK from Ernst U. von Weizsäcker onto there, that certainly does no harm.

But remember the (1) page does say on it at the top:
Ernst von Weizsäcker (1) has been aliased into Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker.

And further down in the works section:
Works have been aliased into Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker.

So anyone looking for more information has these links to guide them onto the main author page where the comprehensive CK for him is, the links, the photo. The entire (1) page is a lesser item when it's part of an alias.

Different case with (2) because that's not an alias, so it needs the full CK and links and photo on there (which it correctly has), because it's the only place for information about that author.

It is a subtle difference, and apologies if I'm explaining thing you fully know already.

And if you want a bit more information about the reasons why a split and alias is better than changing the author name on the works, this page has a good summary: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Reasons_not_to_use_%22Other_Authors%22,_...

It might be a cause of some of your frustration, if you haven't got splits and aliases worked out, because other helpers are going to be using them, and if you aren't that will put you in conflict from time to time.

>12 Nevov: Probably. That’s why I was planning to chase it down in the morning - some things are almost impossible to be done on the phone :) sounds like things are all set now.

And I agree - this author needs splitting and changing the primary author so things look better for someone will lead to issues with other editors and is a bad idea here (and almost everywhere - it is a possible solution for big messes but overusing it is a misuse of the feature).

oher example :
https://www.librarything.fr/author/schirachferdinandvon (see desambiguation note for exact date of birth)

Other exemple .fr / .com
Impossible to complete date of birth
https://www.librarything.fr/author/abeillejacques

1942 ==> 1942-03-17

https://www.librarything.fr/author/boyerchristian/issues

pb to errase Gender "male" after separation of 2 homonym

.fr : french version

https://www.librarything.fr/author/singlyfranoisde/issues

pb to delete gender "male"

>20 JMK2020: You don't need to post more than 1 or 2 examples of the same bug, but I appreciate your diligence. That said, the example you're posting is an issue that's already being tracked at https://www.librarything.com/topic/338847, if you can follow that thread for updates. Thanks.

To remember and perhaps find a solution :

After separation (2 Bernard Friot) problem to delete (old) CK Date of birth (in .fr)

"Combination issues. This author has combination issues that need to be cleared up."

https://www.librarything.fr/author/friotbernard/issues

To remember and perhaps find a solution :

Impossible to modify Date of birth (in .fr)

https://www.librarything.fr/author/anceaueric

CK Field : 1966

To complete, it's 1966-12-09

cf : https://www.aosr.ro/wp-content/uploads/CV-uriMembri/s11-Eric-Anceau.pdf

To remember and perhaps find a solution :
Impossible to modify Date of birth (in .fr)

Another example (after desambiguation cause 2 authors) :
https://www.librarything.fr/author/bardetjeanpierre/issues

nb : 4 monthes before 2nd anniversary of the first post here with this bug

it's really a big problem when you want to have a secure database and participate for that

Here with Jean BRUN after separate homonyms and attribuate works to each

https://www.librarything.fr/author/brunjean
impossible to errase

PLUS

Impossible to add any datas on date of birth / date of death and genre for all the 4 authors

https://www.librarything.fr/author/brunjean-1
https://www.librarything.fr/author/brunjean-2
https://www.librarything.fr/author/brunjean-3
https://www.librarything.fr/author/brunjean-4

nb : now 2 monthes before 2nd anniversary of the first post here with this bug

Another exemple :
https://www.librarything.fr/author/bouthoulgaston

Né le 8 mai 1896 à Monastir (protectorat français de Tunisie) et mort le 15 décembre 1980

>25 JMK2020: Um, because this bug got closed to merge it with the following bug:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/338817