2English-bookseller
This book looks more like the Collected Edition of the run of an illustrated comic.
I think such publications would be better off under a different imprint or the Society runs the risks of:
(a) The 'traditionalists' thinking that the Society is no longer interested in publishing books for them; and/or
(b) Those buyers with more modern tastes rather wary of buying from a publisher they see as old-fashioned and not that credible in this area.
I think such publications would be better off under a different imprint or the Society runs the risks of:
(a) The 'traditionalists' thinking that the Society is no longer interested in publishing books for them; and/or
(b) Those buyers with more modern tastes rather wary of buying from a publisher they see as old-fashioned and not that credible in this area.
3Willoyd
>2 English-bookseller:
Those buyers with more modern tastes
LOL: Marvel comic super-heroes more modern?! The Black Panther is almost as old as me, and he's the most modern covered by FS so far!
The 'traditionalists' thinking that the Society is no longer interested in publishing books for them
That horse has long bolted.
Those buyers with more modern tastes
LOL: Marvel comic super-heroes more modern?! The Black Panther is almost as old as me, and he's the most modern covered by FS so far!
The 'traditionalists' thinking that the Society is no longer interested in publishing books for them
That horse has long bolted.
4astropi
I joined LT in 2009, and I can assure people that back then there were people saying "Folio Society is done! I can't believe they are publishing this drivel! I'm sure the FS will collapse in a few years because of their horrible decisions at publishing such modern crud, where in fact clearly all FS members want nothing more than another Shakespeare volume, because Rule, Britannia!"
Seriously, I'm hardly exaggerating. While I personally have not purchased any of the FS comic book offerings, I think they're great! And if you don't like them, no one is forcing you to purchase them.
Seriously, I'm hardly exaggerating. While I personally have not purchased any of the FS comic book offerings, I think they're great! And if you don't like them, no one is forcing you to purchase them.
5Willoyd
>4 astropi:
where in fact clearly all FS members want nothing more than another Shakespeare volume, because Rule, Britannia!"
That old chestnut. That's exactly the opposite of what 'traditionalists' were asking for.
Seriously, I'm hardly exaggerating.
I'd disagree with that.
And if you don't like them, no one is forcing you to purchase them.
Very true - and I for one don't any more (at least in fiction).
where in fact clearly all FS members want nothing more than another Shakespeare volume, because Rule, Britannia!"
That old chestnut. That's exactly the opposite of what 'traditionalists' were asking for.
Seriously, I'm hardly exaggerating.
I'd disagree with that.
And if you don't like them, no one is forcing you to purchase them.
Very true - and I for one don't any more (at least in fiction).
6cronshaw
>4 astropi: Rule Britannia? The first volume Folio ever published was work by a Russian author, the next two that same year were works by Frenchmen; the following year another three editions of French works were published. Vive la France!
7What_What
>2 English-bookseller: That ship in A sailed years ago.
8ian_curtin
I am not a fan of the FS Marvel series, especially as it seems to be merely another front in Marvel / Disney's quest for suffocating, total hegemony of all aspects of popular culture. Having said that, Black Panther is the one Marvel "property" that has genuine heft and relevance at the moment, rather than simply being IP fodder for blockbuster entertainment (although it is that, too). In addition, Ta-Nehisi Coates is a serious and thoughtful writer, a fact not diminished by his embracing this character and format. A genuinely interesting move by FS I think - although as always these days, the price would give one pause.
9English-bookseller
>7 What_What: It would not be difficult for The Folio Society to create another imprint/brand. It's common practice in the publishing industry especially as so many publishing names are now owned by multinationals. OUP has its alternative 'Clarendon' branding since the Eighteenth Century.
If they wanted to make only the minimum change, they might get away with using - just as an illustration - two imprints such as like 'Folio Society Classic' and 'Folio Society Modern'.
If they wanted to make only the minimum change, they might get away with using - just as an illustration - two imprints such as like 'Folio Society Classic' and 'Folio Society Modern'.
10gmacaree
This is the first of Folio's comic book series that has actually piqued my interest. Not enough to seriously consider buying it (at any price), but much closer than the previous set of non-starters.
11wongie
I have no interest in comics but I don't think Folio necessarily suffers any reputational damage beyond the niche opinions on LT that would justifty a second imprint/brand. This, as well as the other titles in the series, seems to compete directly with Taschen and I haven't seen much in the way of suggestions that their brand, as heavily associated as they are with publishing works of recognised artists, being tarnished by also publishing comics.
12CobbsGhost
>5 Willoyd:
I'm not interested in Comics either. Folio is a book collector's publisher, of this day and age, just as they always have been. Many of us just aren't really into the death of truth so we can't really relate so much to the materialists as we once could. Materialists aren't at the mercy of spiritualists/humanists anymore because the prevalence of the former now supersedes the latter. In short, the books really don't have to add value to your ability to process thought as much as they just have to represent the... I guess anything fashionable.
All in all, Folio will be fine for as long as it will be fine. The shift isn't a shift of their priorities, but rather a shift in the market they serve and operate in.
I'm not interested in Comics either. Folio is a book collector's publisher, of this day and age, just as they always have been. Many of us just aren't really into the death of truth so we can't really relate so much to the materialists as we once could. Materialists aren't at the mercy of spiritualists/humanists anymore because the prevalence of the former now supersedes the latter. In short, the books really don't have to add value to your ability to process thought as much as they just have to represent the... I guess anything fashionable.
All in all, Folio will be fine for as long as it will be fine. The shift isn't a shift of their priorities, but rather a shift in the market they serve and operate in.
13DanielOC
IMHO FS is gaming the quality/dreck quotient artfully and we pray it leads to continued solvency for years to come.
14Uppernorwood
Artistic merit is subjective of course, but it’s very hard to argue that this justifies a Folio edition.
If it was the very first comic run the character appeared in that would at least be something, but it’s from a few years ago.
It’s pure pop culture, without the popularity, because the readership levels of Western comics have plummeted in recent years.
If it was the very first comic run the character appeared in that would at least be something, but it’s from a few years ago.
It’s pure pop culture, without the popularity, because the readership levels of Western comics have plummeted in recent years.
15whytewolf1
>14 Uppernorwood: Except that it's written by an esteemed contemporary author, and this specific work has had a significant impact on the artistic and literary aesthetic known as Afrofuturism (as well as on the popularity of said aesthetic).
https://ta-nehisicoates.com/books/between-the-world-and-me/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrofuturism
So, frankly, I think it's much more worthy of Folio treatment than the other comics they've published, despite its recent vintage.
https://ta-nehisicoates.com/books/between-the-world-and-me/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrofuturism
So, frankly, I think it's much more worthy of Folio treatment than the other comics they've published, despite its recent vintage.
16SpoonFed
I'm definitely not the target market for this one, given that I was only ever lukewarm at best on the MCU and am feeling pretty burned out on the franchise by this point. That said, I think it's far more compelling for FS to be tackling this edition of Black Panther than, say, anything about the Hulk or Captain America.
I also fail to see how FS publishing comic books diminishes their overall work or devalues the other titles they produce - it's surely not that different to publishing Tolkein or GRR Martin or Neil Gaiman or any other crowd-pleaser that they've pumped out over the decades. If we're talking about literary merit rather than focusing on format, I'd pick Ta-Nehisi Coates over GRR Martin any day of the week.
I also fail to see how FS publishing comic books diminishes their overall work or devalues the other titles they produce - it's surely not that different to publishing Tolkein or GRR Martin or Neil Gaiman or any other crowd-pleaser that they've pumped out over the decades. If we're talking about literary merit rather than focusing on format, I'd pick Ta-Nehisi Coates over GRR Martin any day of the week.
17JMCurley
>15 whytewolf1: I’m glad you brought this up, nobody else has mentioned it!
These were ground-breaking comics in 2017, and in my novice opinion much more interesting than big ol’ collections about Thor or whatever.
From what I know, Marvel collected them in a 4 hardcover set. Does anyone know how FS comic printing compares to the usual, or the “archival” editions like Absolute etc?
I imagine Folio Society has the opportunity to knock this out of the park compared to what is on the market. Google led me to a page saying FS had a booth at the “MCM London Comic Con.” Shrewd, I’d say.
These were ground-breaking comics in 2017, and in my novice opinion much more interesting than big ol’ collections about Thor or whatever.
From what I know, Marvel collected them in a 4 hardcover set. Does anyone know how FS comic printing compares to the usual, or the “archival” editions like Absolute etc?
I imagine Folio Society has the opportunity to knock this out of the park compared to what is on the market. Google led me to a page saying FS had a booth at the “MCM London Comic Con.” Shrewd, I’d say.
18astropi
>17 JMCurley: Does anyone know how FS comic printing compares to the usual, or the “archival” editions like Absolute etc?
Good question! I'd like to know as well. I bet the paper FS uses is superior to most comic book collections. Still, considering just how glossy comics are, I don't know if it will make too much difference.
Good question! I'd like to know as well. I bet the paper FS uses is superior to most comic book collections. Still, considering just how glossy comics are, I don't know if it will make too much difference.
20Uppernorwood
>15 whytewolf1: “Except that it's written by an esteemed contemporary author”
That’s a matter of opinion. I’m well aware of who Coates is, and certainly some people do fawn over him.
Many others view him as an historically illiterate (or selective) race baiter, myself included.
That’s a matter of opinion. I’m well aware of who Coates is, and certainly some people do fawn over him.
Many others view him as an historically illiterate (or selective) race baiter, myself included.
21whytewolf1
>20 Uppernorwood: "I’m well aware of who Coates is, and certainly some people do fawn over him.
Many others view him as an historically illiterate (or selective) race baiter, myself included."
Yes, I've heard that very thing before from others who are deeply enmeshed in a certain brand of toxic politics. But that aside...
Coates's reputation and cultural impact are undeniable, regardless of whether one loves or hates him, so to ignore this fact and to only use one’s preferred measuring stick of significance (publication vintage, first appearances, origin stories, or what have you) is just absurd.
Someone could just as easily object to Folio’s publication of Ayn Rand as reproducing political propaganda of no particular literary merit, but that would ignore her immense cultural impact and significance, just as you ignored Coates's.
Many others view him as an historically illiterate (or selective) race baiter, myself included."
Yes, I've heard that very thing before from others who are deeply enmeshed in a certain brand of toxic politics. But that aside...
Coates's reputation and cultural impact are undeniable, regardless of whether one loves or hates him, so to ignore this fact and to only use one’s preferred measuring stick of significance (publication vintage, first appearances, origin stories, or what have you) is just absurd.
Someone could just as easily object to Folio’s publication of Ayn Rand as reproducing political propaganda of no particular literary merit, but that would ignore her immense cultural impact and significance, just as you ignored Coates's.
23CobbsGhost
>20 Uppernorwood:
I don't think it's fair to call Coates illiterate. The use of racism in the work is intentional, not simply because of a failure to learn or research thoroughly.
He thinks the African kings putting their countrymen in cages and selling them is an act of courage possibly?
I don't think it's fair to call Coates illiterate. The use of racism in the work is intentional, not simply because of a failure to learn or research thoroughly.
He thinks the African kings putting their countrymen in cages and selling them is an act of courage possibly?
24whytewolf1
>23 CobbsGhost: Speaking of historically illiterate…
it is a historical slur to say that Africans “sold their own people.” What they frequently did was sell prisoners of war from other tribes. There are Hundreds of ethnicities within Africa, so believe it or not, just because they all have dark skin doesn’t mean they’re all the same.
So the Africans no more sold their own people than the white Europeans slaughtered their own people in the great world wars or the English brutally oppressed their own people in the form of the Irish, since as both would be quick to tell you, they are not the same people despite both having the same white skin.
it is a historical slur to say that Africans “sold their own people.” What they frequently did was sell prisoners of war from other tribes. There are Hundreds of ethnicities within Africa, so believe it or not, just because they all have dark skin doesn’t mean they’re all the same.
So the Africans no more sold their own people than the white Europeans slaughtered their own people in the great world wars or the English brutally oppressed their own people in the form of the Irish, since as both would be quick to tell you, they are not the same people despite both having the same white skin.
25CobbsGhost
>24 whytewolf1:
Very good. Thanks for the comment, however; I'm not really interested in the perspective. It's either about race or not. We aren't crossing this divide. Coates is concerned only about race. A dishonest comment to portray another commenter as bigoted based on a supposedly historical notion of ethnic difference is not helpful. Every person is different, and race cannot be used when convenient to paint others as bad people. Coates has only one concern, race and how to use it for power and money.
I say supposed, because the purpose of discrediting someone was the real intent. This begs question then of the hateful attitude used to chop folks down with snippets instead of asking questions. In reading again what you've replied with, this position you take for convenience would discredit everything in racism because a New Yorker is different than someone in Tallahassee. Heck, from city to suburb culture is different... There's no culture that extends far enough to extend racism in the way Coates needs it to for his purpose.
Very good. Thanks for the comment, however; I'm not really interested in the perspective. It's either about race or not. We aren't crossing this divide. Coates is concerned only about race. A dishonest comment to portray another commenter as bigoted based on a supposedly historical notion of ethnic difference is not helpful. Every person is different, and race cannot be used when convenient to paint others as bad people. Coates has only one concern, race and how to use it for power and money.
I say supposed, because the purpose of discrediting someone was the real intent. This begs question then of the hateful attitude used to chop folks down with snippets instead of asking questions. In reading again what you've replied with, this position you take for convenience would discredit everything in racism because a New Yorker is different than someone in Tallahassee. Heck, from city to suburb culture is different... There's no culture that extends far enough to extend racism in the way Coates needs it to for his purpose.
26DMulvee
>14 Uppernorwood: I am not interested in this work however, there have been a huge number of books that the FS has published that I have had no interest in. If this brings the FS to a new audience then I think that it is a good thing.
27English-bookseller
>24 whytewolf1: Please can you give me 'three examples of the English brutally oppressed their own people'.
The Irish have over the centuries of course tended to assert their own Irish identity and therefore could not be regarded as English!
The Irish have over the centuries of course tended to assert their own Irish identity and therefore could not be regarded as English!
28PartTimeBookAddict
I find Coates' writing fairly dull stuff.
If only James Baldwin had written some Luke Cage comics. That would have been great!
If only James Baldwin had written some Luke Cage comics. That would have been great!
29whytewolf1
>25 CobbsGhost: You're clearly not interested in having a serious discussion. So, I don't plan on wasting any more time with you.
However, in response to this:
" In reading again what you've replied with, this position you take for convenience would discredit everything in racism because a New Yorker is different than someone in Tallahassee. Heck, from city to suburb culture is different... "
It's not a position of convenience. It is a historical fact that some African tribes sold prisoners from other tribes to slavers. BUT these tribes were no more the same ("their own people" or "their countrymen") than the English are the same as the Irish, the Germans are the same as the Poles, etc.
The assertion that "Blacks" or "Africans" sold "their own people" into slavery is an old, common slur that is deeply rooted in racism and in a profound ignorance of African history and culture.
However, in response to this:
" In reading again what you've replied with, this position you take for convenience would discredit everything in racism because a New Yorker is different than someone in Tallahassee. Heck, from city to suburb culture is different... "
It's not a position of convenience. It is a historical fact that some African tribes sold prisoners from other tribes to slavers. BUT these tribes were no more the same ("their own people" or "their countrymen") than the English are the same as the Irish, the Germans are the same as the Poles, etc.
The assertion that "Blacks" or "Africans" sold "their own people" into slavery is an old, common slur that is deeply rooted in racism and in a profound ignorance of African history and culture.
30whytewolf1
>27 English-bookseller: I think you didn't quite get the gist of my comment. It was not meant so much as a knock against English people but as a nonsensical counterexample in an unrelated issue.
31CobbsGhost
>29 whytewolf1:
That is exactly the point. You are absolutely correct by instinct... but you discredit the person that makes you one of the useful. Again, you don't have to belitte me, but because you are intolerant you can't help yourself. Look, think what you want, but culture is far more weighty on an individual than race. I don't need this conversation, you and I both agree that Coates is wrong.
That is exactly the point. You are absolutely correct by instinct... but you discredit the person that makes you one of the useful. Again, you don't have to belitte me, but because you are intolerant you can't help yourself. Look, think what you want, but culture is far more weighty on an individual than race. I don't need this conversation, you and I both agree that Coates is wrong.
32whytewolf1
>31 CobbsGhost: Absurd assertion, but we agree that we don't need to speak anymore. Bye, Felicia.
>28 PartTimeBookAddict: And... the racist tropes just keep trickling out.
>28 PartTimeBookAddict: And... the racist tropes just keep trickling out.
33PartTimeBookAddict
>32 whytewolf1: Baldwin will be remembered for a long time. Coates maybe 5 more years.
And don’t call people racist all the time. You wouldn’t like it, would you?
And don’t call people racist all the time. You wouldn’t like it, would you?
34English-bookseller
>30 whytewolf1: My fault! Sorry.
35SpoonFed
How is it that people are getting more offended by calling out racism than by the actual racism on display here? This thread is baffling.
36Juniper_tree
>35 SpoonFed: it’s insane isn’t it? >23 CobbsGhost: and 25 were just rolling out well established racist troupes and then act offended when called out for it.
Grouping all of Africa together as one entity, and using this to justify a king in one country selling Prisoners from another as the reason why slavery wasn’t a white mans problem would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
On a side note: as a (now former) geneticist, I remember reading a really good study on genetic diversity at the population level, which showed there was more diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined.
Grouping all of Africa together as one entity, and using this to justify a king in one country selling Prisoners from another as the reason why slavery wasn’t a white mans problem would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
On a side note: as a (now former) geneticist, I remember reading a really good study on genetic diversity at the population level, which showed there was more diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined.
37CobbsGhost 
>36 Juniper_tree:
Actually the point was well agreed upon, that cultures were so varied that Coates brand of racism was wrong. They weren't just prisoners of war, they simply sought out other tribesmen to sell... So your history isn't completely wrong, but you certainly sugar coat it. Coates has only one concern, making money using his own brand of racism. Coates is just like all other leftist types but with a little work he's built a nice living.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/the-toxic-world-view-of-ta-nehis...
On another note, please keep fascist dog whistles to a minimum. Trying to silence people for the sake of protecting an actual racist, being a public figure/well known grifter, using a flawed premise is a bit gross. The racists make everything about color and do not respect the notion of culture until convenient. Coates ignores everything in his path to blame white and assumes all learning intentionally excludes people of color. That alone is racist...That is the only reason I mentioned the bit about African kings... Do not assume I'm a racist just because you cherry pick something from your fascist handbook.
The whole goal is to draw a team of your comrades to flag individuals that disagree with your religion. I've seen this play out. To be certain, Folio publishes all kinds of books I don't agree with, but even racists like Coates have a right to speak.
Edited to add: Point proven. Flags drawn and those that wish to protect Coates and his racism are proud to point fingers and call me the racist. As I mean by fascism, you adhere to singular views and discredit or shut down others that disagree. I admitted that just being African does not mean you are ultimately a singular body of people. I also know that Coates is the one who does believe it and declares that 'white' is a culture and an evil all on its own. He is a racist who thinks only of color and I disagree. He thinks of anyone of any color that does not agree that white is bad is simply trying to be white. The dichotomies of Coates, the racist, are appalling. But, he's not stupid, in fact Coates is quite brilliant. He can rationalize just about anything to someone unwilling to take him at his direct word.
Actually the point was well agreed upon, that cultures were so varied that Coates brand of racism was wrong. They weren't just prisoners of war, they simply sought out other tribesmen to sell... So your history isn't completely wrong, but you certainly sugar coat it. Coates has only one concern, making money using his own brand of racism. Coates is just like all other leftist types but with a little work he's built a nice living.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/the-toxic-world-view-of-ta-nehis...
On another note, please keep fascist dog whistles to a minimum. Trying to silence people for the sake of protecting an actual racist, being a public figure/well known grifter, using a flawed premise is a bit gross. The racists make everything about color and do not respect the notion of culture until convenient. Coates ignores everything in his path to blame white and assumes all learning intentionally excludes people of color. That alone is racist...That is the only reason I mentioned the bit about African kings... Do not assume I'm a racist just because you cherry pick something from your fascist handbook.
The whole goal is to draw a team of your comrades to flag individuals that disagree with your religion. I've seen this play out. To be certain, Folio publishes all kinds of books I don't agree with, but even racists like Coates have a right to speak.
Edited to add: Point proven. Flags drawn and those that wish to protect Coates and his racism are proud to point fingers and call me the racist. As I mean by fascism, you adhere to singular views and discredit or shut down others that disagree. I admitted that just being African does not mean you are ultimately a singular body of people. I also know that Coates is the one who does believe it and declares that 'white' is a culture and an evil all on its own. He is a racist who thinks only of color and I disagree. He thinks of anyone of any color that does not agree that white is bad is simply trying to be white. The dichotomies of Coates, the racist, are appalling. But, he's not stupid, in fact Coates is quite brilliant. He can rationalize just about anything to someone unwilling to take him at his direct word.
38Juniper_tree
>37 CobbsGhost: you seem to label everyone who disagrees with your racism a facist, which makes me question if you know the meaning of the word.
I should really learn to stop feeding the trolls, and will simply block you going forward, life is too short.
I should really learn to stop feeding the trolls, and will simply block you going forward, life is too short.
39Geo135
Wow this thread really went haywire. Getting back on track has anyone here actually purchased any of the Folio comic books? I’m wondering what the scan quality is like. Particularly on the stand alone facsimile comic issues.
40podaniel
>39 Geo135:
I have them all as I have a bunch of kids. The scan quality is very good--particularly of the stand-alone vintage comic reprints. They obviously do not have the "feel" of a vintage comic book as the printed paper is not cheap pulp, but otherwise, the reproductions are first rate.
As for Black Panther, I hope in the future there is a composite collection prepared for this character just like Thor, Hulk, Spider Man, etc. As I recall, there are a number of very early Black Panthers drawn by the great Jack Kirby.
I have them all as I have a bunch of kids. The scan quality is very good--particularly of the stand-alone vintage comic reprints. They obviously do not have the "feel" of a vintage comic book as the printed paper is not cheap pulp, but otherwise, the reproductions are first rate.
As for Black Panther, I hope in the future there is a composite collection prepared for this character just like Thor, Hulk, Spider Man, etc. As I recall, there are a number of very early Black Panthers drawn by the great Jack Kirby.
41NoBueno
This group misuses the flags a lot. When you go to flag a post it reminds you that it is supposed to be used for commercial spam. And yet I see users flagged who are expressing an opinion you or I might disagree with, but it's definitely not spam.
I also have seen people crying "troll," but strongly disagreeing with someone's view doesn't make that person a troll. Not everything you disagree with was written to troll or trigger you. If something is on topic but you don't like what that person is saying I would recommend trying to move on and not engage. Or block them if you must, but flagging to disagree or name calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum.
I also have seen people crying "troll," but strongly disagreeing with someone's view doesn't make that person a troll. Not everything you disagree with was written to troll or trigger you. If something is on topic but you don't like what that person is saying I would recommend trying to move on and not engage. Or block them if you must, but flagging to disagree or name calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum.
42folio_books
>41 NoBueno: If something is on topic but you don't like what that person is saying I would recommend trying to move on and not engage. Or block them if you must, but flagging to disagree or name calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum.
Sound advice.
Sound advice.
43affle
I am sure many members of this group will be grateful for the lecture from >41 NoBueno:, who has been with us for all of four weeks now. Close reading of the site advice on flagging, however, will reveal that personal attacks and name-calling are also given as causes for flagging, and I suspect the flaggers on this thread would offer that justification. Further close reading of the flagging advice will incidentally reveal that it is not 'commercial spam' that is identified, but commercial solicitation and spam - two things not one, despite the omission of the Oxford comma; the former may not necessarily be the latter, and spam may not be commercial.
44DMulvee
>42 folio_books: It explicitly states that flagging is for name-calling so you post is completely wrong
ETA: My reading comprehension was not performing well. Sorry!
ETA: My reading comprehension was not performing well. Sorry!
45jroger1
>41 NoBueno: >42 folio_books:
Actually, the rule states “LibraryThing prohibits personal attacks, name-calling, commercial solicitation and spam, but not much else.”
Post #37 manages to incorporate three hot-button words in a single post — racist, fascist, and leftest — pretty obviously with the intent of insulting anyone who disagrees with him, and is therefore fair game for flagging.
There are gentler ways of making a point. LT is not Twitter.
Actually, the rule states “LibraryThing prohibits personal attacks, name-calling, commercial solicitation and spam, but not much else.”
Post #37 manages to incorporate three hot-button words in a single post — racist, fascist, and leftest — pretty obviously with the intent of insulting anyone who disagrees with him, and is therefore fair game for flagging.
There are gentler ways of making a point. LT is not Twitter.
46NoBueno
>45 jroger1: Yeah, I could see the use of "fascist" as name calling, but, for example, post #24 says "speaking of culturally illiterate" which is basically calling the other poster culturally illiterate and that one wasn't flagged. The use of flags above seems more about using the flag as a "super disagree" button.
My point is it would be more mature if, when one disagrees, you make an counter-argument about the substance of the ideas you disagree with that stays on topic rather than turn the focus on the person posting and attempting to characterize that person in one way or another.
My point is it would be more mature if, when one disagrees, you make an counter-argument about the substance of the ideas you disagree with that stays on topic rather than turn the focus on the person posting and attempting to characterize that person in one way or another.
47Cat_of_Ulthar
>36 Juniper_tree: 'On a side note: as a (now former) geneticist, I remember reading a really good study on genetic diversity at the population level, which showed there was more diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined.'
I read that study, or a similar one, when I used to do DNA analysis, although I can't remember the specific reference. Here's a fairly recent review article for anyone who's interested in the topic:
https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-genom-083117-021759
I read that study, or a similar one, when I used to do DNA analysis, although I can't remember the specific reference. Here's a fairly recent review article for anyone who's interested in the topic:
https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-genom-083117-021759
48CobbsGhost
>45 jroger1:
Only when discussing Coates is racist or leftist used. The term fascist is the only one directed to the... well, apparent fascists, who wish to shut down conversation by flagging others. Racist they cry....rrrrrrrrrraaacccciiiiist.... what, you differ in opinion, you must be a racist. Then fascists flock to the whistle and flag, flag, flag. Sorry, Coates is a racist by definition and action and his dichotomies are insufferable. His grift has given him so much power that he puts his mirror image at the KKK to shame.
I called nobody else here a racist or leftist and I only said fascist because people who call you a racist are attempting to lure you into a comment that will get you shut down.
Only when discussing Coates is racist or leftist used. The term fascist is the only one directed to the... well, apparent fascists, who wish to shut down conversation by flagging others. Racist they cry....rrrrrrrrrraaacccciiiiist.... what, you differ in opinion, you must be a racist. Then fascists flock to the whistle and flag, flag, flag. Sorry, Coates is a racist by definition and action and his dichotomies are insufferable. His grift has given him so much power that he puts his mirror image at the KKK to shame.
I called nobody else here a racist or leftist and I only said fascist because people who call you a racist are attempting to lure you into a comment that will get you shut down.
49folio_books
>44 DMulvee:
Thank you for your opinion. My aim in writing that post was to say, more or less, be nice to each other, folks. Judging from some responses it evidently missed the target by miles.
Thank you for your opinion. My aim in writing that post was to say, more or less, be nice to each other, folks. Judging from some responses it evidently missed the target by miles.
50originaux
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>48 CobbsGhost:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rMx1E83CpVM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rMx1E83CpVM
51DMulvee
>49 folio_books: Sorry, my message was not well written and came across very badly.
ETA: Re-read an earlier message and deleted an off topic statement of the rules
ETA: Re-read an earlier message and deleted an off topic statement of the rules
52CobbsGhost
>51 DMulvee:
He doesn't say that you can't use the flag for name calling, he just says flagging and name calling aren't advised tactics.
He doesn't say that you can't use the flag for name calling, he just says flagging and name calling aren't advised tactics.
53DMulvee
>49 folio_books: I’m so sorry, I just re-read your message. When I read:
“ flagging to disagree or name calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum.”
I read this as flagging to disagree or flagging name-calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum. Instead of what you had meant.
>52 CobbsGhost: Thank you. I was clearly being an idiot!
“ flagging to disagree or name calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum.”
I read this as flagging to disagree or flagging name-calling is not supposed to be appropriate for this forum. Instead of what you had meant.
>52 CobbsGhost: Thank you. I was clearly being an idiot!
54folio_books
>53 DMulvee:
It's not a problem, forget it. I concluded that had I said what I meant (be nice to each other) instead of choosing the cryptic route it would have eliminated the confusion. Lesson learned by me for the future.
Also When you quite me in >53 DMulvee:, the quote should actually be attributed to >41 NoBueno: I was just agreeing with him.
It's not a problem, forget it. I concluded that had I said what I meant (be nice to each other) instead of choosing the cryptic route it would have eliminated the confusion. Lesson learned by me for the future.
Also When you quite me in >53 DMulvee:, the quote should actually be attributed to >41 NoBueno: I was just agreeing with him.
55terebinth
>43 affle: I am sure many members of this group will be grateful for the lecture from >41 NoBueno: , who has been with us for all of four weeks now.
Well, I'll soon have been hanging around here for 14 years, and I was certainly glad to read a concise reminder of how members might comport themselves with good sense and courtesy. I try to do so myself, I've blocked a couple of members over the years whose declarations I found vexatiously overbearing, but the rule for flagging is pretty clear and of late I've counter-flagged a post much more often than I've flagged one.
Well, I'll soon have been hanging around here for 14 years, and I was certainly glad to read a concise reminder of how members might comport themselves with good sense and courtesy. I try to do so myself, I've blocked a couple of members over the years whose declarations I found vexatiously overbearing, but the rule for flagging is pretty clear and of late I've counter-flagged a post much more often than I've flagged one.
56affle
>55 terebinth:
As greybearded here as yourself, Paul, my main concern with >41 NoBueno: was the comprehensive misrepresentation of the guidance, which is plainly written and anyone can read. As far as the guidance was concerned the post was correct in no particular, and ought not to pass unchallenged as support for the poster's opinion of flagging - to which I am not entirely unsympathetic. By the poster's own argument, that opinion should be bolstered by reason, not a spurious appeal to authority.
As greybearded here as yourself, Paul, my main concern with >41 NoBueno: was the comprehensive misrepresentation of the guidance, which is plainly written and anyone can read. As far as the guidance was concerned the post was correct in no particular, and ought not to pass unchallenged as support for the poster's opinion of flagging - to which I am not entirely unsympathetic. By the poster's own argument, that opinion should be bolstered by reason, not a spurious appeal to authority.
57mr.philistine
Perhaps an admin or staff could comment on whether flags could be moderated (I think not, or maybe it is too much work). In the meanwhile, if you feel a post has been wrongly flagged, you can 'counter-flag' a post and hopefully(?) restore balance to the world :p
Under the post, hit More > Flag > Counter-flag
Under the post, hit More > Flag > Counter-flag
59Mooch360
I’m not sure what’s been going on for the last 30 posts or so, but the most interesting thing about this Black Panther collection is Folio dipping their toes into complete graphic novel collections instead of grab bags of random issues. I wonder what they might do next? Some Frank Miller Daredevil?
60Tamachan00
>59 Mooch360: I think there was discussion in the past of doing From Hell by Alan Moore. Perhaps it's in the works again?
