Dragon Ball Chat!

Chat about the manga and anime, Dragon ball. Talk about plot holes, argue over characters strength, i dont care. just dont drop your whole life story here.

ill start
SSJBE was such an un-earned transformation it makes my blood boil, he basically matched KAIOKEN SSJB GOKU X20 with that random transformation. hes still my greatest of all time tho

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gohan is also on the fraud watch because all he did was get incredibly big white hair and red eyes he is NOT intimidating bro

TAKE THAT BACK😡

GOHAN IS ON FRAUD WATCH
"Makakkosappo!" sure he DEFINITELY learnt that

Couldn't be my goat tien..

is it bad to admit I only watched dbz and og dragonball and never dbs

>6 BloxyWarrior: how is Gohan a fraud is he the definition of hard work did u not see cell saga buu saga and the movie?

gohan doesn't like fighting because when he was fighting cell he indirectly killed his father goku

if gohan forgot about that he would be one of the strongest in the dbs universe his potential is omnipotence his genetics are the ability to be stronger than anyone. even at youth he had the potential to be the strongest z fighter

Gohan is just traumatized about killing his father. every time he needs to fight he gets back in condition at least equal to the fighters he is fighting

and currently Gohan's beast form is stronger than ultra instinct goku and ultra ego vegeta and also black Frieza combined so if he is a fraud I don't know what to say. a Gohan full of rage is top 5 strongest in his own universe and the others the only thing ahead of his are the angels and Zeno. he is stronger than BEERUS the only thing that would take him down is a hakai so if this man is still a fraud rewatch entire dragon ball

and also Gohan always trains stated in the movie he just trains in secret and a hybrid saiyan is compared to a angel maybe stronger in terms of power

>2 BloxyWarrior: SSJBE was also all hardwork he was training with whis and Beerus for 6 months how to hold his ki within him self and he got learnt GOD KI I don't think that's un earned he had to watch everyone infront of him get stronger than him and he had patience for once and he unlocked SSJBE which is all hardwork.

>4 BloxyWarrior: beast Gohan is not supposed to be intimidating its supposed to bring resemblance to super saiyan 2 and how he beat cell with that its a reminder of how strong Gohan is and don't forget it he unlocked a different type of ki in that transformation "divine ki" something Goku and Vegeta will never achieve this transformation not supposed to be intimidating more like reminder that Gohan is still strong

everyone in Dragonball is hardwork even yamcha could beat the whole Naruto and onepiece verse and it takes ichigo's strongest form to kill yamcha

>16 Mobamba: I still think its unexpected, because gohan was always the special one that never wanted to fight, achieving ssj2, rage boosts, ETC.

>17 Mobamba: not touching current moro arc yamcha, you can scale him to buu saga ssj3 goku.

>8 waptato: dont watch dragon ball super dude its terrible i genuinely believe the animation quality in OG DB is better.

>13 Mobamba: He's a fraud because he gets MASSIVE boosts of power out of nowhere, we go from scaling him to SSJB tops, to true ultra instinct? even Black Frieza? That's why hes a fraud, not because he's weak. Also, A Hakai wouldn't kill anyone that ssjg level or above. G. Frieza took a hakai, TOP fighters took a ton of hakais, granola took a hakai, ETC.

>15 Mobamba: Learning god ki? Alright, Pretty freakin cool.
Learning ssjb? even cooler.
Getting a random unexplained 20X power buff? Nah..

>14 Mobamba: Im assuming him "Training in private" means just keeping up shape after resurrection F.. when he got multiple ki blasts spammed into him...

>9 Mobamba: Buu saga was understandable, Same for cell saga. But the movie? I call Phoney, Balogna, Macaroni. if we saw an actual new thing that wasn't just a random rehash into like a 500X power amp? That'd be cool, He'd be gucci gucci good to go, But now? no??? he got FOLDED by SSJBK goku, Was losing against ssjb too. So him randomly going BF level? atleast 100X stronger than beerus? Possibly angel level? No. I call phoney, balogna, macaroni.

sigma rizz

>25 1hope: where do u keep finding these cat images😭

>27 Mobamba: they're just absurdly silly ig

>22 BloxyWarrior: Vegeta broke out of his shell he was originally learning ultra instinct with Goku but he decided he was gonna do his own thing and decided to go all out on super Saiyan blue which causes super Saiyan blue evolution and he probably had enough adrenaline to do it while he was fighting vs toppo so that wasn't unexplained he had the power to also beat Jiren but decided to evolve his blue instead he didn't want to follow Goku's footsteps. he probably would have been stronger but without choosing that path he would never gotten ultra ego which is the same as mui in base but when he is mad enough he is 10x stronger that mui

>24 BloxyWarrior: beast mode is FULL ON RAGE he saw piccolo "die" and cell max's hand and he transformed in "pure rage" like I told u again Gohan has the potential to be the strongest when he is blinded about his past and actually tries to fight. he is always scared when he is fighting about surroundings and he doesn't want to destroy stuff but when he saw piccolo "die" he didn't care anymore rage fueled him up and he just wanted to kill cell max.

>23 BloxyWarrior: training in private means with Goku,piccolo,Vegeta like he always did back when he was a kid

>21 BloxyWarrior: are you talking about toppos hakai? toppos hakai is nothing compared to Beerus's, I'm saying anyone who could actually hurt him is the angels and beerus's hakai.

Gohan always holds back on the people he loves and him getting a huge powerup is normal for him his potential is omnipotence with his genetics so he could probably get even stronger

if Gohan chose his Saiyan mentality over his school and geek personality he would par with angels at best and would high/extreme diff vados and will not beat whis but do crazy damage to him

>29 Mobamba: #1 Saiyans dont have adrenaline, They have Zenkai boosts. Similar format, but zenkais stay permanantly, and resemble more of noradrenaline.
#2 Ultra Ego gets a boost from taking damage, as long as his stamina can hold up, he is effectively immortal.
#3 UE is stronger than UI, But not by that much. Its a very small boost against UI, Not TUI (Mastered UI -sign-) Though, TUI is stronger because it is actually UI, as a technique instead of a form.

>32 Mobamba: In resurrection F, Frieza gets hit head on with a hakai, and escapes with no injuries. Goku shows off the same feat, pretending like it hurts before simply brushing it off.
Also Toppos Hakai can arguably be scaled to beerus, Because Jiren could beat him. Jiren is said to have the power to beat the gods of destruction, And that feat holds up too. Jiren did state that toppos hakai "Wasn't at full power." and could "Damage him if hit Head on." Hakai isn't that strong to the main Z-Fighters now.

>34 Mobamba: You're missing the point of his character, He only fights when it is drop-dead ungodly necessary, he never wanted to fight cell until he got SSJ2, and even then he was willing to spare cell.

>33 Mobamba: but he doesnt WANNA fight

>31 Mobamba: doubt it, piccolo would've noticed. He couldn't consistently keep up SSJ in resurrection F, But in Super Hero it only caused him a little bit of strain, and Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ2. Beast is stronger than every one before though.

>36 BloxyWarrior: 1# Gohan is born with adrenaline glands stated by Akira toriyama

2#Ue has unlimited potential so that's false if Vegeta is fighting a strong for he will keep getting stronger and their lust for fighting knowing Vegeta he has a huge ego and barley accepts losses so he would keep going which would push his power ue Vegeta would dog stomp tui Goku unless Goku one shots Vegeta which is unlikely because he doesn't have that power

3# ue>ui by so much not a little it is stated in the MANGA the ultra egos power is BOUNDLESS mui Goku scales up to multiverse which doesn't seem so little difference its a huge one. no matter what Goku does Vegeta will catch up to him and outrank him in ultra ego every hit just makes him stronger. if Goku uses a attack strong as pin point strike Goku is COOKED because he would scale up to that attack unless it knocks him out

>40 BloxyWarrior: false I don't know who was training with him at the time but when ultimate Gohan was fighting Goku he literally told everyone he was training to obtain a new form no Saiyan has achieved (beast form). everyone knew he was training for a powerful form and out of everyone piccolo would definitely know

to shut off who's stronger ultra ego Vegeta scales to at weakest, complex multi to outerversal at strongest with boundless speed and tui Goku scales low multi complex while low multi complex is basically 5d and outerversal scales above dimensions so pretty much ultra ego Vegeta would dominate tui goku.

>39 BloxyWarrior: ur not getting the point ur saying gohan is fraud but if he tries he would be crazy strong

>41 Mobamba: gohan is a human-saiyan hybrid, he doesnt count. he gets the best of both worlds.
Ultra egos power is NOT boundless, It relies on vegetas stamina, just how UI relies on gokus state of mind.

>43 Mobamba: dimensional scaling sucks, and its inconsistent. TUI Goku has the power boost of
UI-sign- and other forms. He could probably combine SSJBK and TUI to make one of the strngest combos in the series. All the buffs of UI-sign- with the buff of forms?

why are you arguing over something so stupid

Yeah! Dragon ball! Uhh… i like goku?
I read one piece. Not dragon ball, if you couldn’t tell.

>47 Sxkurablossom: Its powerscaling! Its not arguing, we do it for fun.

>48 blueday6: My favorite character.. um.... his name is like..
vegetable? i think?
he can do super shavin? i dont remember... /j

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⡏⠀⠀⣿⣷⡶⢉⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣦⡸⣷⡀⠉⠙⠛⠿⠿⠟⠛⠉⠀⠀⢀⣤⣾⡿⠛⠁⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⢀⣀⣴⣦⣭⣻⣿⣶⢻
⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣾⣿⣿⣿⣶⣶⣦⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣀⣤⣾⣿⠿⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣏

>49 BloxyWarrior: I haven't been in a anime debate like this in awhile

>51 Sxkurablossom: HOLY SHIT ITS SAITAMA

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>53 blueday6: it was goku-

but here a saitama
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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡸⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠒⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠰⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠉⠐⠒⠤⢀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠇⠀⠀⢰⠊⠉⢉⡁⠒⠢⣄⠀⣰⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠒⢄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡔⡛⠀⠀⠀⠘⢆⡀⠈⠃⠀⠀⡸⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠤⠤⢀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⢡⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠓⠒⠒⠉⠀⡼⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⣤⠈⠉⠲⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡎⠀⠀⠀⠀
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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣾⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠀⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠋⠉⠉⢆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⡴⡲⢳⡸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣶⣤⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣾⠱⠁⡇⣎⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣍⠀⠈⠉⠑⠒⠒⠀⣤⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣟⠟⠀⢠⢫⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠑⠂⠀⠀⠐⠒⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⠟⠋⠀⠀⡿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠠⠒⠒⠐⠒⡠⠊⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⠒⠒⢤⠋⠘⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣪⢵⠶⡶⠚⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡠⠔⠂⠉⣴⠀⢰⠃⠀⠀⠸⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⡾⡏⠁⠘⡄⢣⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠔⢸⠉⠗⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⡰⠙⢦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⡴⠟⠋⠀⡇⠀⠀⢣⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⢠⠊⠀⠸⠈⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⡰⠁⡰⠋⢙⠦⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣠⣴⠶⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⢸⢸⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠀⢧⠈⣢⢴⡺⡟⠑⠢⣄⠀⠀⡰⣡⠊⠀⢠⠎⣠⡞⡏⠙⠛⠳⠶⠶⠿⠟⠛⠓⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⠔⠃⠀⠀⡏⢸⠉⠲⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⣴⠀⠀⠀⠘⣴⢡⠋⣠⢃⣠⣤⡘⣆⣼⠟⠁⠀⣰⡣⢫⠎⠀⢰⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⠤⠊⠁⠀⡆⠀⡸⠀⡞⠀⠀⠘⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⡜⠈⢧⠀⠀⠀⡇⠈⠉⣴⣿⣿⣿⣷⡿⠁⠀⠀⣰⠟⠀⡜⠀⠀⠘⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⠤⠐⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⢠⠃⢀⠃⠀⠀⣄⠙⠤⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⢰⠁⠀⠈⢧⠀⠀⠻⡅⣼⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠀⠀⠀⡴⠃⠀⠀⡗⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠈⠑⠒⠒⠒⠒⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⠃⡎⠀⣸⠀⠀⢀⣿⠀⠀⠀⠉⠒⢤⡀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⡌⠀⠀⠀⠈⢣⡀⠀⠈⠛⠛⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⣀⠞⡇⠀⠀⠀⢡⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡸⢰⠁⢀⠇⠀⠀⣸⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠢⡀⠀
⢠⠇⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⢱⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣾⠋⠀⡇⠀⠀⠀⠈⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⠊⡇⡄⠀⣸⠀⠀⢀⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡴⠂⠙⡄

>56 Sxkurablossom: HOLY SHIT ITS GOKU

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>59 Da_Goji_Kid: Debatable, Zeno doesnt actually have ANY sort of CONCEPT of limit to his power, and unfortunately goku doesn't have that. (probably why DBH isn't anywhere CLOSE to canon.)

Should I watch dragon ball??

Yes. I’ve started on it myself, the first few episodes are super freaky but it gets better.

>64 Jynx_on_pawz:
Yes, 1,000,000 times yes. Start with OG DB, its a LITTLE freaky but eventually it gets better. Once you hit Z you're hit by MAJOR whiplash tho, and super is a whole different thing. If you love the movies then you'll love GT too.

Alr! :3

>59 Da_Goji_Kid: UTSSGSS goku isn't exactly a conceivable being exactly, having fused with literally time and space.

>69 Da_Goji_Kid: Look at what number your message is

>71 Da_Goji_Kid: lol

which of goku forms are better, cuz I think ultra instinct is good ngl

>73 Lilmiss2: ssj4 on top