THE DEEP ONES: "Beyond Any Measure" by Karl Edward Wagner
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1gwendetenebre
"Beyond Any Measure" by Karl Edward Wagner.
Discussion begins November 20, 2024.
First published in the March 1982 issue of Whispers magazine.

BIBLIOGRAPHY
https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?75583
SELECTED PRINT VERSIONS
In a Lonely Place
The Mammoth Book of Vampires
Vampires: The Greatest Stories
ONLINE VERSIONS
No online versions currently available.
ONLINE AUDIO VERSIONS
No online audio versions currently available.
MISCELLANY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Edward_Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAK9l1I2Ws
https://karledwardwagner.org/LastInterview.html
https://www.karledwardwagner.org/
https://tinyurl.com/bdzn6rzd
Discussion begins November 20, 2024.
First published in the March 1982 issue of Whispers magazine.

BIBLIOGRAPHY
https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?75583
SELECTED PRINT VERSIONS
In a Lonely Place
The Mammoth Book of Vampires
Vampires: The Greatest Stories
ONLINE VERSIONS
No online versions currently available.
ONLINE AUDIO VERSIONS
No online audio versions currently available.
MISCELLANY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Edward_Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAK9l1I2Ws
https://karledwardwagner.org/LastInterview.html
https://www.karledwardwagner.org/
https://tinyurl.com/bdzn6rzd
2paradoxosalpha
I read this one in a public library copy of In a Lonely Place, but I also have the story in Whispers V.
3RandyStafford
The many bits with Lisette wandering around by candlight in antique nightgowns brought a smile to my face because I felt Wagner was deliberately evoking the cover of many a gothic romance.
I also appreciated the effort to sort of introduce a red herring with Magnus.
Bringing in the transmigraiton of souls into a vampire story was interestingly novel.
I also appreciated the effort to sort of introduce a red herring with Magnus.
Bringing in the transmigraiton of souls into a vampire story was interestingly novel.
4paradoxosalpha
My original note on reading this story in In a Lonely Place:
The final story "Beyond Any Measure" shares the source for its title with "The River of Night's Dreaming" in the libretto of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. This one concerns reincarnation and combines it in an unexpected way with a supremely traditional sort of gothic horror in a 1970s London setting.
The final story "Beyond Any Measure" shares the source for its title with "The River of Night's Dreaming" in the libretto of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. This one concerns reincarnation and combines it in an unexpected way with a supremely traditional sort of gothic horror in a 1970s London setting.
5paradoxosalpha
I sort of thought the nightgowns were more evocative of Hammer horror, with the 19th-century gothic only at secondhand.
Dr. Magnus must be an allusion to Count Magnus, I think. Wagner was so well read that he couldn't have been ignorant of the James story.
Dr. Magnus must be an allusion to Count Magnus, I think. Wagner was so well read that he couldn't have been ignorant of the James story.

