Star Trek 2009 Discussion Thread - CONTAINS SPOILERS!

Do not proceed if you have not seen the film yet.

Loved it! I am so glad I stayed spoiler free, as I never expected any of the plot twists and turns. Especially the appearance of Spock Prime.
:o)

I knew Leonard Nimoy would appear, as Spock, but I too am glad I didn't knew much beforehand. But I kept thinking "well, they will not die or how else would it be possible to make a franchise out of this" ;-)
That didn't affect me negatively though; it only made me smile the more. When Sulu, Kirk and the "nobody" chief engineer Olsen was going to get dropped at the drill platform I thought - OK, Olsen is going to die. Because that's what happens in ST when you take a bunch of main cast and put a person never heard of before with them in the away team.

I really REALLY liked when they came together on the Enterprise in the end. How it echoed the original series, and then how Nimoy read the "This is the voyages of the starship Enterprise" part. Wow. My husband looked at me as if I was mad when I started to applaud when it was over, but I was not alone.

Did you notice that chief engineer Olson was wearing RED? :D

I also laughed when Pike said "I am relieved" at the end, when he ought to have said "I stand relieved". Didn't come through in the swedish subtitles (we don't dub, except kid's films).

H***, I laughed at a lot of things. It was a funny film!!!

#3 - Yes, extra funny! You just KNOW if they wear the red uniform they are DESTINED to die!

I got quite emotional a couple of times, the first being when Kirk and company see the Enterprise in space for the first time. I loved how it looked like the ship I knew as a child! And when Nimoy did the spiel at the end I had a lump in my throat the size of a tribble.

:o)

I have not felt this silly/giddy at the end of a film since Star Wars in 1977.

I laughed the loudest at poor Scotty beaming into the pipe. I always wanted something like that to happen on transport! :D

ok I have been waiting for this thread so as not to spoil it for others. I got emotional to Clam.However, what did you think of the relationship between Spock and Lt U. I was quite surprised. The scene on the ice planet reminded me of Luke Skywalker meeting that creature in the beginning of Empire Strikes back. I thought Karl Urban and the gentleman who played Scottie were great!

Karl Urban rocked! I kept thinking, "Where do I know that guy from?" Then I said, "Oh, he is a dead ringer for Karl urban, but it can't be him." LOL

I loved the relationship between Spock and Uhura. What fabulous twist. :o)

If you want to do some retro-predictability, remember Uhura singing to Spock's Vulcan harp in the original series?

I love the connections with the past history of Star trek too. ie Captain Pike. I loved having the original music at the end and Spock speaking those famous words.Where no man/woman has gone before.

I watch The City on the Edge of Forever last night again

I loved it! I was a little nervous about actor choices, mainly Simon Pegg(Scottie) and John Cho(Sulu) since I've only seen them in comedies. I am sooooo glad they pulled it off. Simon Pegg was already one of my favorites, now it's solidified :)

I went with a really close friend, who I find out after years of knowing her is a massive Star Trek fan. We were squealing like the nerds we are the whole time. Fantastic movie. Loved both Spocks, though what happened to Vulcan sort of threw me.

My daughter took me to see it last night for Mother's Day - at the IMAX theater. I was so blown away. She sure knows her mommy!

I didn't think I'd get to see this for some time - so I haven't been paying much attention to the young actors chosen for this film. I thought the casting was inspired! I thought the one cast as McCoy was spot on. At one point, he was off-camera, and I heard his voice - sounding exactly right!

I loved all the humor. I laughed, I giggled, I teared up. I devoured a MegaTub of movie popcorn. A perfect evening.

I can't stop smiling. I loved how the familiar one-liners were put in. I loved that I didn't know anything about the plot so that was a whole surprise for me. All the major characters were bang on for me, except maybe Kirk but I didn't mind. And I liked how there was more to Uhura than in the original shows.

Also, I'd watched Charlie Bartlett a few months ago and realized only when the credits were rolling why Chekov looked so familiar. Anton Yelchin is great!

I'm thinking about a second watching, soon. I have an extra day off, paid, to take whenever it fits my schedule but before the end of July. So now I just hope they will start show it in an afternoon or noon slot and then I'm off :D

Uhura was pretty invisible in the original show so I too liked her getting more airtime. That she got all emotional about Spock... felt a bit belittling, in a way. Would they have a male character run after a woman in that way? But it was a minor thing so I really don't care.
And I loved the face Kirk made when she kissed Spock on the transporter pad ;-)

Wonderful! Absolutely wonderful! The whole audience in our theatre stood up and clapped at the end of the show. I haven't seen that at a movie since I don't know when. I was worried that I'd keep seeing Zachary Quinto as Sylar from Heroes and not Spock - but he made an excellent Spock. I did have some problems with the Spock/Uhura relationship though. I thought it should have been Christine Chapel, she's the one who always loved Spock.

My husband awarded me the #1 Star Trek Geek. I made him get us to the box office for 5:30 (box office opens at 6:30). We were the first ones in line - no one else even showed up until 6! LOL. But hey, we got the best seats in the house :-)

I've had an absolutely fantastic Mother's Day. Star Trek lived up to all my expectations and more. Was I the only one who cried when James Tiberius Kirk was named? There were just so many funny scenes though, especially where McCoy managed to get Kirk on to the Enterprise and the results of his injections. I loved that the movie was a fitting tribute to the Original series and I liked the casting of Bruce Greenwood as Christopher Pike, so I'm off now to watch The Menagerie (always a favourite of mine).

#19 - Yes, I loved new Pike, too.

Hee hee, I couldn't stop laughing at poor Kirk while he went through that serious of symptoms. :oD

I hope there are many more of these!

It was my Mother's Day outing as well. I think the one thing that might have been handled differently was at the end when Spock Prime (original Spock) read the opening tag lines "These are the voyages of the starship enterprise....". For me to bring it full circle, it really ought to have been Shatner's voice doing those lines. (And it would have been a bone to throw the old ham actor rather than having the petty public spat that he and Abrams put on -- You should have called me. No YOU should have called ME). Had Shatner's voice had been used there, I would have been a little more satisfied w/ it.

Otherwise, it was fun and I did get a kick out of the fun the cast was obviously having. I thought the guy playing Montgomery Scott was just a hoot!

It irks me indefinitely that I did not hear if Spock said "...to go where no man has gone before..." or "where no one has gone before...".
But the applause was up so I didn't have a chance, despite being determined to catch which version was used.

#14 - It threw me as well, the time-line changes that were made; Vulcan gone and its people an 'engangered species', Kirk's dad gone. I feel sad about those changes, but not upset that they were made. I was happy at the ending that these changes were kept and that they weren't miraculously and conveniently erased by fixing the time continuum.

This new Star Trek can go anywhere, anything could happen. I'm already eagerly awaiting the next one. (I think I mangled that last line but it's going to take too much thought to figure out for sure.)

#22 Since I was listening in the wonderfully clear and peaceful environment of my car, the lines came out clearly: it was “where no one has gone before.”

Can people tell I have fallen in love with the drive-in? :D

#24 - Ah, thanks :D and very much what I hoped. I thought maybe they would go with "man", as a homage to TOS but I still think the TNG revision was a good one. Women go to space, too ;-)

(Yes, we can tell you're hooked on drive-in, lol. I've only been once, it was great, but the only drive-in we had here ever /for all I know/ only lasted a summer... and that was a long time ago.)

He definitely says no one and I personally really loved Spock saying it rather than Shatner. I wouldn't have liked it with Shatner because he played no part in the film, whereas Leonard Nimoy did.

It nearly made me cry though!

I really don't have anything to add to what's been said except that I thought it was fantastic, tons of fun, and the theater I was at was great. Everyone laughed at the right times, was quiet most of the time, and people applauded - not only at the end, but at various times throughout the movie, for example when Leonard Nimoy first appeared. It was brilliant to be there with so many fans to enjoy it.

This movie was incredible! I'm one of the many who got emotional in parts and laughed in others. I loved the crew member in the red suit! I took my 9 year old nephew and had been catching him up to date on things about TOS. When he saw the crew member in red, he turned to me and said, "He's going to die! He's going to die!" :)

I could hardly wait to get back here and read this thread. Very few around here have ever watched Star Trek so I really can't talk to anyone about the movie.

This is one I will definitely purchase when it comes out on DVD.

One thing my wife pointed out is: it wasn't all Kirk and Spock - the secondary characters really got nice chunks of time: Scotty, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Checkov - they all had more than one moment.

That was really nice - and shows that with proper scripting, a 120+ minute Star Trek film can be better than a 90 minute one.

Just saw it and I'm grinning ear to ear. Everything everyone has said and also
1) Not enough Scotty. He needs more to do in the next movie.
2) I want that salt shaker.
3) I loved Sulu fencing!
4) I think having Spock get the girl was inspired. Women always loved the character, so it made sense.
5) The many, many jokes and nods to TOS. Lots of laughs.

#20 There has to be a sequel.........I need to know where poor little Porthos ended up. Bad Scotty !!!

I loved this movie so much! The humor was awesome, frequent enough so I never got bored. And I loved the little patterns woven into the script-like when Kirk always ends up hanging off a ledge, or in a fist fight! Spock once again is my favorite character. I think he has the most character depth because of his half-human heritage. Reply to katelisim: Simon Pegg is one of my favorite actors, too, and I hope they make more movies with him as Scottie! Reply to clamairy: Ha ha me too!

AWESOME MOVIE FIVE STARS!

I did not immediately love the movie. I was half way in before I started really enjoying it, not sure why. Perhaps the fact that it was an alternate reality from the originals was holding me up until I figured that out? I ended up liking it a lot though, perhaps best of all the movies? I have to let it sink in before I decide. Loved Spock, and loved Uhura loving Spock. Checkov was just so adorable it activated all my mommy genes. Thought the humor was not overdone, so it didn't get to be just a run on of jokes. I wasn't in love with the actor playing Kirk, but I did think he did a great job of being Kirk. I just adored the fact that Lenard Nimoy had such a big part in this, I thought it would be more like a cameo. I think when he appeared was when I started liking the movie a lot.

Spock quoted Sherlock Holmes! :)

Honestly, something about Bones seemed familiar, but I couldn't pin it down until I saw Karl Urban's name at the end and had to sit through the credits to figure out which character he played! Duh.

I cried at the beginning when they named the baby and thought it was funny because I had chosen not to go to the Soloist because I didn't want to watch an emotional movie.

JPB, I thought about you and your drive-in and the moon several times. :)

...and when he did that (quote Holmes) I thought it also a cameo reference to TNG, which I liked :D

I loved the bit where the 2 Spocks encounter each other at the end and new Spock asks, "you didn't tell him there'd be some sort of timeline problem if we met, did you?"

It was good that they didn't feel the need to "fix" the timeline. I can see why purists would have a problem, but, it's just a story anyway and this is another way to tell it. The feel of Star Trek and the characters were the same.

#35 - Agreed. Although I hated the thought of Vulcan being destroyed. :o(

It also left it wide open for Nimoy to be in the next film.

#33 and 34 - Spock quoted Sherlock Holmes? What was the quote? I think I missed it.

"When one has eliminated the impossible, whatever remains – however improbable – must be the truth"

:-)

(I really think it's Occam's Razor, though, but I think of it as a Holmes thing)

Ahh. Thanks, Busifer. I thought it was only a ST reference. I remembered Spock saying it before. Looks like I need to read more Sherlock Holmes :o)

I also loved the comeback (Kirk?) "How poetic."

I'm also mourning Vulcan, but a good story inspires a mixture of emotions.

As for Kirk, I liked the way Pine played him. The only thing that bugged me is the blue eyes. Shatner has (or had, before the plastic surgery) such lovely brown eyes.

#30, I agree on the need of more Scotty.

Interestingly, the new James Kirk looks an awful lot like the old Christopher Pike, IMHO.

Occam's Razor is (very roughly): "Between multiple equally valid explanations, the simpler one is more often the truth"

Yeah, but it's a sibling to the above... and that guy Occam was a contemporary to Doyle, if I remember correctly?

Busifer: no, William of Occam was +- 13th century; Doyle was late-19th.

OK, I've muddled things. I was thinking, not entirely clearly, obviously, of another book, also latter day, but which used William of Ockham as a reference... *sigh*
I HAVE been sleepwalking most of the day.

You're still our favourite besserwisser (your term) ;-)

I just found out Wynona Rider played Spock's mom. I had no idea, there wasn't even an inkling of recognition.

I knew but only because I was looking for her, and even then I wasn't sure at first.

The voice gave her away. Hey, at least she won't be appearing in the sequels. We can hope.

#48 I think Winona really stole the scene.

I saw her name at the end and couldn't for the life of me figure out who she'd played (and I didn't care enough to check the credits).

#51 Didn't someone make that joke in the other thread?

They DID? :O

Well, then, I guess I shoplifted the shoplifting joke! :D

#35 & 36 - I'm actually quite excited about the alternate reality that this created, it's a chance for a new scope with the old type of characters, I want to see what they do with that.

Last night I watched some interviews with Karl Urban about his role, nice. Why haven't we given him a chance at the pool boy job?

#54 ;-p~~~~~~~

Absolutely loved it, it was frickin' perfect! Brilliant!

#13 - i too was nervous about Simon Pegg, love him in Sean of the Dead, etc., but was afraid he'd make Scotty too silly. Well, he DID make Scotty very silly, but it also worked so well it was one of my favorite performances!

#24 - I envy you your serene drive-in experience, JPB. Twice during the movie I was squirted with a water pistol, and after the film my friends and I scared the SNOT out of the 20-something who did it.

It could easily have escalated into a fistfight, which would have been unfortunate, but we were pissed at having our fun time ruined, so we confronted the little sh*t and put him in his place in no uncertain terms. BAH!!!

#55 For many reasons, I don't care who the pool boy is ;) but I have to tell you, maybe it's because I watched him as a kid, but if I were really sick in the hospital, the one face that would make me the happiest to see is this one:

We got there early and got a good spot, only to have to move because some old lady with old lady perfume decided to sit right in front of me. Why do people wear perfume to the movies, especially the cheap kind?

People suck, so the only reason I go to the actual movies now is if the film has lots of CGI or is otherwise visually spectac. Otherwise, it's strictly Netflix for me. (Which makes me wonder about PB's waxing rhapsodic about the drive-in.)

#60 - I'm bringing cheap perfume to the next movie I go to. If anyone is in the least annoying, I'm dousing myself!!!

#60 - I wax rhapsodically about it because I get to see the movie when everyone else does, and I don't have to share an enclosed space with them. A picture that largely fills the window screen is actually a pretty big picture, and I don't miss the 'swooshy' surround sound, the sound is 'all over the place' given that my car has speakers in both the front and rear of the cab.

I can also bring food from home. As I said, Fran and I are going to see a number of films this way during the Summer. It was just so enjoyable for us! :D

(We are also 'easygoing' as far as luxuries go - the fact that we were sitting in a bumpy asphalt lot in the middle of a semi-industrial area of town didn't bother us a bit.)

The only down-side of our drive-in is the passing trains. But they move by there so quickly - at a good 50-60MPH, so they are gone in about 15 seconds.

I understand perfectly...and wish I could have that experience again.

Mr.G that was a good one. Strong perfume drives me crazy.

I plan on going back to see it because I had a huge guy sitting in front of me. I enjoyed the film but I want to go again without the Marmikill in front of me.

My experience of the drive-in was rarely about the movie, if you know what I mean. I actually "saw" the first Star Wars movie at the drive-in. From what I could tell, it seemed like a good movie so I went back and saw it in a real theatre.

#66 Yes, there is that fun aspect about the drive-ins. But I viewed any discussion of that as TMI! :D

58 - Who brings a water pistol to the movies?! I'd have considered doing more than scaring the bejeezus out of them. And 20-something? At 13, it might be hilarious, but sheesh! I'm pissed off on your behalf.

Me too. Glad you "took care of bidness," groo.

I went a second time tonight, I'm sure some of you are even on thirds, or fifths, by now, LOL!

It's even better the second time around, picking up more and more nuances. For instance, the second time around you realize that when Uhura kissed Spock, that was NOT their first kiss! They've had the secret relationship for a while! When Uhura is pissed about being assigned to the Farragut, he's not talking about preferential treatment towards a favorite student, rather of a lover.

Fascinating...

Abrams had one insider reference that annoyed me slightly, since it referenced another of his projects, rather than a Trek project. I only caught it on second viewing. When Uhura is ordering drinks for the other cadets at the beginning, the bartender suggests a "Slusho" the fictional frozen Slurpee/Icee-style drink from Cloverfield and Alias.

mrgroo - Perhaps it's the difference in our gender, but I caught those little clues right away. ;) However, at that point, I wasn't clear that we were dealing with an alternate reality and so it was just making me angry.

Why is it always either the Statue of Liberty or the Golden Gate bridge that is getting destroyed by aliens? Seems like there is so much more stuff here on earth for them to pick on.

All I've gotta say is...

WUUUUU-HUUUUUUURA!!!

71 - I thought that, too. Why the Golden Gate Bridge? Why was SF Bay the most convenient place to drill? (Perhaps the SAndreas fault?) And isn't the water going to be an issue there, like pulling the plug from the bath?

They already had footage from the Save the Whales movie.

70 & 71 - Yup, I noticed too right away that this was not their first kiss. I was rather pleased to see this 'human' side of Spock.

And I liked that Uhura is not just someone sitting pretty, repeating the computer. She's a xenolinguist. Of course! Yayy!

She's a xenolinguist.

Hell yeah! The moment we discover aliens, I'm there! I kind of had a fanboy squee when they said that.

Was she the same gal(actress)l that was the only female pirate on the Pirates of the Caribbean movies?

jewels - yes, I forgot about that! I recognized her from Center Stage.

So I checked IMDB to make sure of all that, and Uhura actually does have a first name (although I'm not sure how to pronounce it). Fascinating.

Nyota ("Star" in Swahili) - Nee OH ta

I think Sulu referred to Uhura's first name in one of the other Trek movies, the one where she does the distracting dance... (I can't remember which one that was).

However, I could be totally off base.

I read on a website that JJ had hinted there may be a Tribble/Tribble reference in the film. Where?? Did anyone catch this?

BTW, I *loved* the film. Wasn't sure if I would, but I did. I totally teared up when Nimoy called Kirk "old friend." And Karl Urban was fantastic as Bones.

I've been desperate to read this thread all day, knowing that I was finally going to see it tonight. I even forced myself to do some work today to distract myself and it worked. I'm just back from the cinema and I just want to shout and scream it was so good. I also cried when the baby was named but I'm like that with babies and films so I'll just be big and admit it. Like a few others I was a bit unsure of the storyline (what there was of one) in the first half but it really came good in the weird and slightly contrived tradition of some of the other movies. I thought the one thing that made it better than previous ST films was that we actually got some characterisation in this. I guess in the past they just assumed that we knew all the characters already so why bother but here for the first time I actually felt that was a little depth to the main characters. My only worry was that the cinema was only about 10% full. It was 6.30pm on a Tuesday evening in Stockholm but as the films only been open less than a week I was slightly surprised. I need it to make BIG BIG money so we get lots of sequels. I also saw the HP trailer and Transformers too and came to the completely unbiased decision that London looks amazingly good as a backdrop for a film, much better than any of those American cities *ducking for cover*

No rotten tomatoes from this quarter, Barry. I like to visit all sorts of cities, but I'm a country girl with no overweening loyalties to any of them.

I'm glad you liked the movie. I plan on seeing it a couple more times myself.

I'm partial to Washington DC, but London's good too!

What's wrong with a futuristic San Francisco?

Still, London is also lovely.

#82 - I'm pretty sure Big Ben and other London landmarks have come in for their share of destruction too. :)

87 - Certainly, they have. They've been destroyed frequently in Dr Who.

Actually, the Golden Gate Bridge was not destroyed in the film - the beam came down close to it, as did the crashing platform, but they both landed in the water, I thought.

What I thought was crazy was the whole drilling to the center of the planet to place the singularity. I'm sorry, but if you were to start a black hole singularity, you could destroy the planet pretty easily by just plopping it on the surface ;)

JPB - But then we would have missed the awesome sword play of Sulu. Personally, I never try to think to hard about the science plausibility in these movies. One, I'm not qualified, two, it's fiction. :)

You're right, this film didn't destroy the bridge, it just almost did.

#82 - The houses were full during the first three days, or so I heard - I went the first day, but others that I know saw it on Saturday and Sunday... The SF community in Stockholm isn't that big, and the trekkie one... well, I guess they and their friends and spouses was who filled the theatre that first weekend.

I think it was a nice touch that the GG bridge survived. It's kind of mandatory to destroy prominent landmarks so this made the film even better...

#90 - Maybe JJ was trying to make up for the fact that he had the head torn off the Statue of Liberty in his last film...

I also hadn't read any of the plotlines or spoilers before seeing the movie. When Spock's mother was lost in the teleporter, I nudged my friend and said "She's OK; after all she's in the series". My first clue that the timeline, she was achangin'.

Yup, I also found it laugh and gasp out loud and people clapped at the end. I'm going again this weekend with my DD who will be home from college.

I was a fan of the original series which came out when I was in 5th grade. I annoyed my older brother no end because I sometimes had to have him translate Spock's scientific-ese for my 11 year old brain. If I remember right, it was on Friday nights; anyway Mom & Dad would get groceries leaving dear older brother and I to stay home alone and watch what I felt was a very grown up show.

I just read that Rancy Pausch of the Last Lecture fame, has a cameo as a crewmember on the USS Kelvin. How cool for him! Something else to watch for on my second time around.

#86 actually MrsLee that was sort of the point that I was making, I think that London had a pretty good diversity of buildings, including many distinctive small ones that means that it can be destroyed and ruined in many different ways by many different villains whereas New York for example really needs Godzilla or a Megastorm, or maybe the aliens from Independence Day. I just can't see Voldemort in Times Square causing mischief...

What you're saying is that London is good for cozy mayhem. Right?

Voldemort is cosy evil but Godzilla isn't?

Godzilla is just too random, but I think my hypothesis is that London isn't just good for cozy mayhem although admittedly NY does do mass mayhem at another level. I guess I just feel that London is more multi-faceted as a potential mayhem site.

Well-said.

#81 - The tribbles are in a cage on Bones' desk when Spock Prime and Kirk meet him on that ice planet. You can hear them cooing.

I cried during the baby scene at the beginning, laughed at all the appropriate spots, did happy dances in my seat at sundry others, and clapped at the end.

Husband and I will wait patiently (barely) for the next one, we really liked this one.

We've also been laughing at all the gripers and spoil sports who are posting on the message boards at www.imdb.com, they are SO full of themselves with their in-depth analysing.

(can't seem to spell that last word right....)

Did anyone else see the big bad ship and think that it was



+



?

YESYESYES!!!
I did, immediately. It was kind of weird.

(at least img two - I can't see img one)

(img one is Kosh's Vorlon transport)

I almost stood up and pointed when it first appeared - "look, a crossover!" :)

I'm so excited that I finally get to open this thread! It will take me a little while to ready your comments.

#9 clam: I kept thinking the same thing about Karl. I thought "It looks like him, but it can't be him."

#19/20: Loved the injection scenes. Too funny.

Re: Timeline- I'm not too upset that the timeline was altered. It just gives them leeway in the next movie.

It was a pretty good movie. I was really skeptical about it at first, but I enjoyed it. Lots of new toys, lots of eye candy, lots of fun!

Yeah, I had a few minor problems with it (couple of leaps of plot without explanation - hope the DVD release fleshes it out a bit) but overall I loved it and look forward to future installments of the story.

I loved that the main characters didn't try to slavishly copy the originals -Chris Pine didn't "do" Shatner, but just every once in a while there was some little hint - the way he cocked his head or something. Quinto's Spock was similar - the first time he raised one eyebrow was so great. And I LOVED Simon Pegg as Scotty. And Urban as McCoy. Sigh. I want to see it again!

I completely forgot to comment about Kirk as a boy! He is what my brother looked like at that age. I had to go home and look at the old photos to check!

I really did not like the scene with young Kirk in the car and the end result of that. It may have fit in with his personality, I don't know, but I think it hit too close to home having two teenage boys who have begun driving. Much too painful, scary and nauseating for me.

>107 MrsLee: I feel for you. My son has now been driving for a little over a year and the fingernail marks are still in my dashboard.

#107: I was baffled when I saw the Corvette in the trailer.

(...There's also the detail that it's been long established that Adult Kirk couldn't drive a stick shift....)

After seeing the movie, my theory about the car:

"See this famous icon of American Culture, from circa 1966? Watch us TRASH it, for no good reason."

They're announcing in unsubtle terms that This Is Not Your Father's Star Trek

#109 - "(...There's also the detail that it's been long established that Adult Kirk couldn't drive a stick shift....)"

Because of the altered timeline they are now free to pretty much change whatever they want. This Kirk probably had his step-father teach him to drive standard. ;o)

I think this plot device of an altered reality is very clever, but it annoys me at the same time. I'm just going to go with it though, because the film was a blast.

I think tightly holding to a timeline creates a straightjacket that made the old Trek canon end up after so many years: boring.

Conan Doyle, with Sherlock Holmes, didn't care about continuity. For example, Watson would be married, or not, as suited the need; the location of his war-inflicted wound wound change, etc. In fact, he cared so little that a cottage industry of Holmesian experts enjoy spending time trying to reconcile things.

Well I've finally managed to watch it, and we saw it in IMAX which was both good and not so.

Overall: Meh. It was OK. I laughed a few times, but wasn't that impressed by quite a bit.

The casting was mostly good. Though Bones seemed a lot bigger than I thought I remembered the original to be. Even as a non-trekkie I got a few of the references to the originals etc. I liked the humour and the spock love story.

The action scenes were very poor though. Lots of flashing and jumping around unable to see what was going on (maybe I'm just getting old). Way too much Star Wars like compared to Trek. And IMAX made the too frequent taking heads shots really really huge where you see every pimple on Kirk, and just odd.

Two Major Plot Problems.
One is nerdy: Black holes. These have the same gravitational attraction as the mass that 'made' them. If the ships weren't falling into the star to start with, they won't be falling into the black hole either. Especially if it's only been created from the mass of a romulan ship.
This is now well estabilsihed physics and there's no reason to get it wrong, unnecessary and plenty of way to get it right.

Two: Timeline- If We're now in a universe with a different future, there's no reason for Kirk to be captain - because he might not be having exciting voyages with SPock because the future's changed.

I really really hate time travel plots because they are extremely difficult to get convincing.

Who though Kirk on the bike looked like James Dean?

Who though Kirk on the bike looked like James Dean?
My thought was they did that consciously...

I hadn't planned to go see it in the theater, but my wife wanted to go out and we didn't see anything more appealing. Overall I enjoyed it quite a bit; I liked most of the references to the original series ("Dammit, Jim,..."). I thought they did a nice job giving us the chance to think about time paradoxes if we wanted to (Scott invented the transporting-into-warp method, but then Spock Prime told young Scott about it before he invented it, stuff like that), and then threw us a huge wink when the two Spocks met. I enjoyed seeing Dr. Cameron as Kirk's mom, and I spent a few scenes figuring out who Sarek looked like (Harold Abrahams, duh). I thought the green girl was a bit much, but a pretty funny reference to Kirk's interest in anything that moved. The parking brake gag was fun, as were a lot of things. Glad we went.

The green girl was a reference to the green dancing girl in the first pilot with Jeffrey Hunter. ("The Cage" later called "The Menangerie")

The green girl featured in this movie, the first pilot of the original series, and several other appearances in other Star Trek entries is called an Orion. In the prequel series Star Trek: Enterprise, the Orion's were established as a pirate-like race that specializes in slave trading, and secretively the females are the dominant gender of the species, controlling the males with power of their pheromones and sensuality. Clearly this movie as thrown that out the window.

Said of GOSGs in TOS: "They say no human male can resist them."

117 - Even the gay ones?

LOL - I dunno...

Did our Morphy ever get to see this movie? Did I miss her comments on it, or did she not comment?

Nope, we decided the theater was too much of a hassle dealing with my wheelchair. Had nothing to do with the movie. We'll get it as soon as it comes out in DVD.

Ah, sorry about that! Hopefully they won't wait forever to release it.

I'd almost bet money the Star Trek DVD will be out in time for xmas. I already told my wife I expect to find it in my stocking. :)

It might be enough to induce me to finally go blu-ray...

Well, there's also this film, Clam...

#125 - Yeah, but those are the theatrical editions...

#124, we're not dashing off to go blu-ray either, and yet last night when we went to the video store (something we don't do very often), we couldn't help but notice that more and more of the shelves were being taken up with blu-ray videos.

This is how we ended up getting a DVD player 'cause the video store stopped carrying VHS tapes. Is this what's going to happen with blu-ray vs regular DVD? Argh. I have a lot of movies! I don't want to go out and replace them all with blu-ray >:-( Some I'm still replacing from VHS to DVD for heaven's sake!!

#127 All blu-ray players will play DVDs just fine.

There's no need to get rid of old disks, and with the exception of at most a HANDFUL of films, I have no plan of doing so.

My induction to go blu-ray will be when they stop releasing them on DVD. I can't afford all the other bits and pieces that you need to make blu-ray worthwhile.

Most of my dvd collection comes from the dollar store and sale items. Blu-ray won't show up there for a few years, I hope.
I still buy VHS tapes when I can find them too!

Whew, that's good news, thanks JPB :-)

Are the blu-ray players as clear playing regular DVDs as the Full HD Up-Scaling DVD players are?