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It's Midsummer Night-no time for dreaming. Because sometimes, when there's more than one reality at play, too much dreaming can make the walls between them come tumbling down. And there's usually a damned good reason for there being walls between them in the first place-to keep things out. Things who want to make mischief and play havoc with the natural order. Granny Weatherwax and her tiny coven are up against real elves. And even in a world of dwarfs, wizards, trolls, Morris dancers and show more the odd orang-utan, this is going to cause real trouble. With lots of hey-nonny-nonny and blood all over the place. show lessTags
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Отново се пренасяме в Ланкър, който, бидейки едно съвсем малко кралство, е идеален за демонстрация на принципите на държавността в умален, разбираем и несъмнено забавен мащаб.
Основната тема в книгата е обаянието и разминаването му с реалността. Ако мога да бъда извънредно политичен и да доведа метафората на Пратчет до абсурд, който той със сигурност не е мислил, докато е писал книгата (какво е искал да show more каже авторът? мразехте ли го тоя въпрос в училище...) бих стигнал до там да направя пряк паралел на описаните от него елфи, обаятелни, бляскави, които инстинктивно харесваш и затова не виждаш колко всъщност са жестоки, зли и алчни, с политическия термин "фабрика за илюзии" който може да се използва по-широко за описание на цялото политическо ляво, с неговите красиви обещания, загриженост за бедните и онеправданите и като цяло морална извисеност, които пречат на много хора да видят истинската му същност на грабителска, античовешка и неизменно тиранична идеология.
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Освен това няма как да не забележа контраста на кралицата на елфите и мъжа й, които може да се каже, поне за промит с политика мозък като моя, че стоят от двете страни на екстремната идейно-политическа барикада и докато тя е крайното ляво, с нейния омагьосващ но фалшив блясък и летящо влечение към всичко ново, той е крайното дясно с консервативните му, миришещи на некъпан лъв доколенкова мъжественост и земен, космат индивидуализъм. show less
Основната тема в книгата е обаянието и разминаването му с реалността. Ако мога да бъда извънредно политичен и да доведа метафората на Пратчет до абсурд, който той със сигурност не е мислил, докато е писал книгата (какво е искал да show more каже авторът? мразехте ли го тоя въпрос в училище...) бих стигнал до там да направя пряк паралел на описаните от него елфи, обаятелни, бляскави, които инстинктивно харесваш и затова не виждаш колко всъщност са жестоки, зли и алчни, с политическия термин "фабрика за илюзии" който може да се използва по-широко за описание на цялото политическо ляво, с неговите красиви обещания, загриженост за бедните и онеправданите и като цяло морална извисеност, които пречат на много хора да видят истинската му същност на грабителска, античовешка и неизменно тиранична идеология.
Ебаси дългите изречения измислям.
Освен това няма как да не забележа контраста на кралицата на елфите и мъжа й, които може да се каже, поне за промит с политика мозък като моя, че стоят от двете страни на екстремната идейно-политическа барикада и докато тя е крайното ляво, с нейния омагьосващ но фалшив блясък и летящо влечение към всичко ново, той е крайното дясно с консервативните му, миришещи на некъпан лъв доколенкова мъжественост и земен, космат индивидуализъм. show less
There’s a lot of revelling and a lot of chaos going on in Lords and Ladies. The fourteenth book in the Discworld series and the fourth in the Witches storyline. I’l pass on the warning that Terry Pratchett left on the first pages of this book – while most of the Discworld novels can be read independently, it’s highly recommended to read Witches Abroad before reading Lords and Ladies.
I will say that the only witches book I’ve read is Carpe Jugulum, and I never felt lost reading this one? But the author recommends maybe not picking this up independently so I thought I’d pass that along.
One of my favorite things about Terry Pratchett’s writing is the humor – it’s why I loved The Light Fantastic and what keeps me coming show more back to Discworld. The tone in Lords and Ladies is a bit different. It’s about an upcoming wedding and an elvish invasion and there’s a lot going on. No time, really, for joking around. I wouldn’t call the tone flat out series – I don’t think any of Discworld is serious – but this one takes itself a bit more seriously.
I found myself quite enjoyed Almost-Queen Magrat. She had good growth as a character, and there’s just something totally badass about a young bride digging up old legendary armor and riding a unicorn into battle. You want to turn fantasy royalty on its side and create a powerful female character, Magrat is pretty cool. I always give extra brownie points to the strong female characters in older fantasy, because while these heroines are a dime a dozen now (and so help me, I love them), they were still relatively uncommon in 1992, especially as written by male authors. But it’s not just Magrat that’s impressive – all three of the witches are great. Nanny Ogg, Granny Weatherwax, and Almost-Queen Magrat all brings different things to the table with different styles.
The chaos in Lords and Ladies is like A Midsummer Night’s Dream gone wrong. Instead of friendly tricks and true love woven, with all back to good in the morning… this is a coup. This isn’t the “nice” kind of elves. These are mind-controlling trickster elves. We have three different couples. We have a king and queen of the Fair Folk. We even have a troupe of Rude Mechanicals which, frankly, feel as unessential to the plot here as they did in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. I think that overall, this is a wonderful tribute to Shakespeare’s original play. It’s a twisted upside down version, but there are so many parallels and it’s a fun nod to the original story.
My only really complaint about Lords and Ladies is the multitude of characters and names to remember. A lot of them are purposely confusing, like Baker the weaver. There are five POV characters, but scores of other minor, recurring characters. Wedding guests, love interests, townspeople. It’s really difficult to keep track of all the characters and remember what they’re doing and why they’re important. It doesn’t help that sometimes characters are called by their first name, sometimes their last name, and sometimes a nickname or profession. It’s altogether a bit distracting and at times I felt like skipping over scenes that felt unimportant.
As a self-contained story, I really liked this book. The plot was fun. The story went along quickly and the dialogue was light and bantery. I was engaged in the witches themselves and enjoyed the character development from the three of them. The invasion plot line interested me, but the chaos outside of the elves and witches didn’t particularly catch my attention. I don’t think it’s the best of the Discworld novels, but it’s light and fun and tricksy and I enjoyed it for that. show less
I will say that the only witches book I’ve read is Carpe Jugulum, and I never felt lost reading this one? But the author recommends maybe not picking this up independently so I thought I’d pass that along.
One of my favorite things about Terry Pratchett’s writing is the humor – it’s why I loved The Light Fantastic and what keeps me coming show more back to Discworld. The tone in Lords and Ladies is a bit different. It’s about an upcoming wedding and an elvish invasion and there’s a lot going on. No time, really, for joking around. I wouldn’t call the tone flat out series – I don’t think any of Discworld is serious – but this one takes itself a bit more seriously.
I found myself quite enjoyed Almost-Queen Magrat. She had good growth as a character, and there’s just something totally badass about a young bride digging up old legendary armor and riding a unicorn into battle. You want to turn fantasy royalty on its side and create a powerful female character, Magrat is pretty cool. I always give extra brownie points to the strong female characters in older fantasy, because while these heroines are a dime a dozen now (and so help me, I love them), they were still relatively uncommon in 1992, especially as written by male authors. But it’s not just Magrat that’s impressive – all three of the witches are great. Nanny Ogg, Granny Weatherwax, and Almost-Queen Magrat all brings different things to the table with different styles.
The chaos in Lords and Ladies is like A Midsummer Night’s Dream gone wrong. Instead of friendly tricks and true love woven, with all back to good in the morning… this is a coup. This isn’t the “nice” kind of elves. These are mind-controlling trickster elves. We have three different couples. We have a king and queen of the Fair Folk. We even have a troupe of Rude Mechanicals which, frankly, feel as unessential to the plot here as they did in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. I think that overall, this is a wonderful tribute to Shakespeare’s original play. It’s a twisted upside down version, but there are so many parallels and it’s a fun nod to the original story.
My only really complaint about Lords and Ladies is the multitude of characters and names to remember. A lot of them are purposely confusing, like Baker the weaver. There are five POV characters, but scores of other minor, recurring characters. Wedding guests, love interests, townspeople. It’s really difficult to keep track of all the characters and remember what they’re doing and why they’re important. It doesn’t help that sometimes characters are called by their first name, sometimes their last name, and sometimes a nickname or profession. It’s altogether a bit distracting and at times I felt like skipping over scenes that felt unimportant.
As a self-contained story, I really liked this book. The plot was fun. The story went along quickly and the dialogue was light and bantery. I was engaged in the witches themselves and enjoyed the character development from the three of them. The invasion plot line interested me, but the chaos outside of the elves and witches didn’t particularly catch my attention. I don’t think it’s the best of the Discworld novels, but it’s light and fun and tricksy and I enjoyed it for that. show less
Lords and Ladies is Pratchett in the middle of his skills, a confident writer knowing exactly what he wants to say. Granny Weatherwax and the Witches return to Lancre at the height of summer for a royal wedding, but something is wrong. Foolish young girls have been dancing around a ring of standing stones, reality is weakening, and the elves are coming back. This is a witches book, but it brings in the wizards for support as well, and bonus jokes.
It's impossible not to love the witches as characters, or the tiny kingdom of Lancre, but where this book excels is in its depictions of the enemies. Pratchett strips away centuries of fuzzy folklore to get to the essence of elves. They are predators. They think they're naturally better than show more you, and their magic means that you start to think like them. Pratchett compares the elves to wasps and cats, and develops a psuedo-scientific explanation for their weakness to iron and magnetism, and why show less
It's impossible not to love the witches as characters, or the tiny kingdom of Lancre, but where this book excels is in its depictions of the enemies. Pratchett strips away centuries of fuzzy folklore to get to the essence of elves. They are predators. They think they're naturally better than show more you, and their magic means that you start to think like them. Pratchett compares the elves to wasps and cats, and develops a psuedo-scientific explanation for their weakness to iron and magnetism, and why show less
I love how PTerry throws a little Shakespeare into the witches' novels - first Wyrd Sisters, which riffed on MacBeth, Hamlet and Lear, now Lords and Ladies that brings up A Midsummer Night's Dream, Taming of the Shrew and a little bit of Henry V if you look closely. While it took a while for the Faries to show up, when they did it was totally worth it. It also shows how much of an epic chessmaster Granny Weatherwax is, and how much hidden depth Nanny Ogg has. Kickass.
I said to Brian the other week 'oh, Small Gods, that's my favourite Pratchett!' and he said 'oh, I thought you said it was Lords and Ladies', and I said 'oh, that's wrong'. But reconsidering, it was probably right after all.
What do I love about this book, which I think is a strong contender for my favourite book by my favourite author? Well, it's an engaging, page turning story, how Lancre defends itself about the attack of the elves. And it's funny, and parody, like all Pratchett. But really...
...it's about the themes, themes that resonate and ring true and comfort and help. The main one Granny Weatherwax's story, worrying she is near to death, and looking at all she has sacrificed and never had. The Queen's barb of 'I could show you show more Grandmother Weatherwax'. And the comfort of the trousers of time, the thousands of Granny Weatherwaxes, some of them happy, and this one happy too. Also the burning call that 'the price of being the best is always having to be the best'. Also, Magrat, being squeezed into boxes, but in the boxes finding a story that not all Queens are wimples and embroidery, married in her chainmail and tatted muddy silk, having realized the strength in her core...
Love this book, and love coming back to it. You can't cross the same river twice... Yes you can, there's a bridge. And this book is one of the bridges. show less
What do I love about this book, which I think is a strong contender for my favourite book by my favourite author? Well, it's an engaging, page turning story, how Lancre defends itself about the attack of the elves. And it's funny, and parody, like all Pratchett. But really...
...it's about the themes, themes that resonate and ring true and comfort and help. The main one Granny Weatherwax's story, worrying she is near to death, and looking at all she has sacrificed and never had. The Queen's barb of 'I could show you show more Grandmother Weatherwax'. And the comfort of the trousers of time, the thousands of Granny Weatherwaxes, some of them happy, and this one happy too. Also the burning call that 'the price of being the best is always having to be the best'. Also, Magrat, being squeezed into boxes, but in the boxes finding a story that not all Queens are wimples and embroidery, married in her chainmail and tatted muddy silk, having realized the strength in her core...
Love this book, and love coming back to it. You can't cross the same river twice... Yes you can, there's a bridge. And this book is one of the bridges. show less
"Humans are always lost. It’s a basic characteristic. It explains a lot about them."
This was a reread and I remember enjoying it more the first time round. I wasn't a huge fan of the start (I even considered putting this down - not a usual occurrence with Pratchett for me) but I'm glad I stuck it out because it got more enjoyable when the plot got properly started. I loved reading about Magrat her struggles around adjusting to a royal life and loved that we got to see more of her strength when the other witches weren't constantly putting her down (although their treatment of her still frustrates me having dealt with similarly cruel people). I found the elves interesting and would love to learn more about their world. There is a rather show more emotional moment towards the end and I'm a little surprised at how hard it managed to hit given I had read this before (albeit a few years back).
Overall this was a fun read with some great moments, but it isn't my favourite Discworld book. Maybe it was just a matter of the wrong book at the wrong time in my case, but I know others will absolutely love this one show less
This was a reread and I remember enjoying it more the first time round. I wasn't a huge fan of the start (I even considered putting this down - not a usual occurrence with Pratchett for me) but I'm glad I stuck it out because it got more enjoyable when the plot got properly started. I loved reading about Magrat her struggles around adjusting to a royal life and loved that we got to see more of her strength when the other witches weren't constantly putting her down (although their treatment of her still frustrates me having dealt with similarly cruel people). I found the elves interesting and would love to learn more about their world. There is a rather show more emotional moment towards the end and I'm a little surprised at how hard it managed to hit given I had read this before (albeit a few years back).
Overall this was a fun read with some great moments, but it isn't my favourite Discworld book. Maybe it was just a matter of the wrong book at the wrong time in my case, but I know others will absolutely love this one show less
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Terry Pratchett was on born April 28, 1948 in Beaconsfield, United Kingdom. He left school at the age of 17 to work on his local paper, the Bucks Free Press. While with the Press, he took the National Council for the Training of Journalists proficiency class. He also worked for the Western Daily Press and the Bath Chronicle. He produced a series show more of cartoons for the monthly journal, Psychic Researcher, describing the goings-on at the government's fictional paranormal research establishment, Warlock Hall. In 1980, he was appointed publicity officer for the Central Electricity Generating Board with responsibility for three nuclear power stations. His first novel, The Carpet People, was published in 1971. His first Discworld novel, The Colour of Magic, was published in 1983. He became a full-time author in 1987. He wrote more than 70 books during his lifetime including The Dark Side of the Sun, Strata, The Light Fantastic, Equal Rites, Mort, Sourcery, Truckers, Diggers, Wings, Dodger, Raising Steam, Dragons at Crumbling Castle: And Other Tales, and The Shephard's Crown. He was diagnosis with early onset Alzheimer's disease in 2007. He was knighted for services to literature in 2009 and received the World Fantasy award for life achievement in 2010. He died on March 12, 2015 at the age of 66. (Bowker Author Biography) show less
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- Lords and Ladies
- Original title
- Lords and Ladies
- Original publication date
- 1992
- People/Characters
- Granny Weatherwax; Nanny Ogg; Magrat Garlick; King Verence II; Mustrum Ridcully; Ponder Stibbons (show all 23); The Bursar; The Librarian of Unseen University; Agnes Nitt; the Elf Queen; Jason Ogg; Death [Discworld]; Pewsey Ogg; Shawn Ogg; Millie Chillum; Herne the Hunted; Diamanda Tockley; Amanita DeVice; Giamo Casanunda; Hodgesaargh; Mr. Brooks; Esmerelda Margaret Note Spelling of Lancre; Greebo
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- Lancre, Discworld (fictional kingdom); Discworld (fictional world); Ankh-Morpork, Discworld (fictional city); the Dancers, Lancre, Discworld
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- Now read on . . .
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- In front of her [Nanny Ogg] the cat Greebo, glad to be home again, lay on his back with all four paws in the air, doing his celebrated something-found-in-the-gutter impersonation.
'I learned my craft from Nanny Gripes,' said Granny Weatherwax, 'who learned it from Goody Heggety, who got it from Nanna Plumb, who was taught it by Black Aliss, who --'
'So what you're saying is,' said Diaman... (show all)da, loading the words into the sentence like cartridges in a chamber, 'that no one has actually learned anything new?'
Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantmen... (show all)t.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded. Other theories about the ultimate start involve gods ... (show all)creating the universe out of the ribs, entrails, and testicles of their father. ** There are quite a lot of these. They are interesting, not for what they tell you about cosmology, but for what they say about people.
People think that they live life as a moving dot traveling from the Past into the Future, with memory streaming out behind them like some kind of mental cometary tail. But memory spreads out in front as well as behind. It's j... (show all)ust that most humans aren't good at dealing with it, and so it arrives as premonitions, forebodings, intuitions, and hunches. Witches are good at dealing with it, and to suddenly find a blank where these tendrils of the future should be has much the same effect on a witch as emerging from a cloud bank and seeing a team of sherpas looking down on him does on an airline pilot.
Witches can generally come to terms with what actually is, instead of insisting on what ought to be.
Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinat... (show all)e states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.
Personal's not the same as important. People just think it is.
If you really want to upset a witch, do her a favor which she has no means of repaying. The unfulfilled obligation will nag at her like a hangnail.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
A bad hunter chases, a good hunter waits.
I ain't against gods and goddesses, in their place. But they've got to be the ones we make ourselves. Then we can take 'em to bits for the parts when we don't need 'em anymore, see?
To herself she was thinking: Esme can never resist a challenge. None of us can. You ain't a witch if you ain't got self-confidence. But we're not getting any younger. It's like being a hired swordfighter, being a top witch. Y... (show all)ou think you're good, but you know there's got to be someone younger, practicing every day, polishing up their craft, and one day you're walkin' down the road and you hears this voice behind you sayin': go for your toad, or similar.
Even for Esme. Sooner or later, she'd come up against someone faster on the craftiness than she is.
“Oh yes,” said Granny, quietly. “Just starting. Every day, just starting.”
Nanny Ogg thought: but it won't be today. - Last words
- (Click to show. Warning: May contain spoilers.)And from the empty hillside, only the silence of the elves.
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