Pat (phebj)'s Reading Life--Chapter 5

Welcome to my fifth thread for 2011. (My first thread is here, my second thread is here, my third here, and my fourth here.)

I'm currently reading:

Sir Vidia's Shadow by Paul Theroux
Born to Run by Christopher McDougall

Read in January (7)

1. Asterios Polyp by David Mazzucchelli (graphic novel)
2. So Much for That by Lionel Shriver
3. The Tenderness of Wolves by Stef Penney
4. The Invention of Hugo Cabret by Brian Selznick (graphic novel)
5. A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis
6. 31 Hours by Masha Hamilton
7. The Paris Wife by Paula McLain

Read in February (3)

8. Love and Summer by William Trevor
9. Maus I: A Survivor's Tale: My Father Bleeds History by Art Spiegelman (graphic memoir)
10. The Big Rock Candy Mountain by Wallace Stegner

Read in March (9)

11. Maus II: A Survivor's Tale: And Here My Troubles Began by Art Spiegelman (graphic memoir)
12. The Tortilla Curtain by T.C. Boyle
13. Shortcomings by Adrian Tomine (graphic novel)
14. The Girls by Lori Lansens
15. The Country of the Pointed Firs by Sarah Orne Jewett
16. Gone to New York: Adventures in the City by Ian Frazier
17. 101 Great American Poems
18. The Dark Fields by Alan Glynn
19. The Lover's Dictionary by David Levithan

Read in April (8)

20. Lizard Music by Daniel Pinkwater
21. Let's Take the Long Way Home by Gail Caldwell
22. A Moveable Feast by Ernest Hemingway
23. Paper Towns by John Green
24. Britten and Brulightly by Hannah Berry (graphic novel)
25. Living Well is the Best Revenge by Calvin Tompkins
26. Sempre Susan: A Memoir of Susan Sontag by Sigrud Nunez
27. The Master by Colm Toibin

Read in May (7)

28. Stitches: A Memoir by David Small (graphic memoir)
29. Hemingway: The Paris Years by Michael S. Reynolds
30. Radioactive: Marie & Pierre Curie: A Tale of Love and Fallout by Lauren Redniss (graphic biography)
31. Lost and Found by Shaun Tan (graphic short stories)
32. Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell
33. Flotsam by David Wiesner
34. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte

Read in June (1)

35. Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes

Read in July (1)

36. When Will There Be Good News? by Kate Atkinson

OK . . . . Time to bite the bullet and make some comments about the books I’ve read but failed to say anything about.

Book No. 31--Lost and Found by Shaun Tan 4 stars

Tan is the author of The Arrival (one of my favorite graphic novels) and this book is a collection of three of his most popular Australian picture books. The mistake I made with this book was to pay too much attention to the words and not enough to the illustrations. As a result, it didn’t have the same impact on me as The Arrival did (which is a wordless book).

My favorite from this collection was “The Red Tree” about a young girl and her struggles with depression. “The Lost Thing” is about a strange creature who is befriended by a young boy who tries to find a home for it, and “The Rabbits” is about the colonization of Australia.

The New York Times magazine recently had an article about Tan and his increasing popularity in the United States. He’s been spending time in Hollywood--he got an Oscar for co-directing an animated film based on “The Lost Thing” and he’s in talks to make The Arrival into a movie. I liked the way the Times described Tan’s way of looking at the world: Again and again, his stories introduce a lonely character in an alienating landscape and then, often by concentrating on some previously overlooked detail, transmute the feeling of isolation into something more like an artist’s sensibility.

I’d recommend Lost and Found but if you haven’t tried any of Tan’s books yet I’d say get The Arrival first.

Book No. 32--Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell 4 ½ stars

“Here is the world that awaits you if you are ever penniless.”

I was never clear whether Orwell had no choice but to be poor during this period of his life (the late 1920s/early 1930s) or if it was an experience he sought out so he could write about it. The main things I will remember about this book are the descriptions of what it’s like to be hungry and the working conditions in the Paris hotel restaurant that Orwell eventually gets a job at as a plongeur (a dishwasher) or a slave as he calls the position.

Orwell is a great writer and this is one of the many oberservations he makes about poverty in the book:

. . . when you are approaching poverty, you make one discovery which outweighs some of the others. You discover boredom and mean complications and the beginnings of hunger, but you also discover the great redeeming feature of poverty: the fact that it annihilates the future. Within certain limits, it is actually true that the less money you have, the less you worry.

Highly recommended.

Hi Pat. The only hot chilies we can get consistently in New Zealand are Thai chilies. We frequent weekend farmer's markets and will occasionally find something different. We have been growing our own jalapenos since we moved here.

hey Pat, make mine on the rocks w/ salt. starred*

Hi Jeanne. My husband, who's the cook in our family, thinks Thai chilies would work just fine as would the jalapenos--you'd just have to use more of the jalapenos.

No problem Jenny. That's just how I like them too.

Love the picture at the top of your thread, Pat. It would be perfect in my kitchen (not to mention the margaritas in the fridge!).

Joanne I found the picture by googling "pictures of margaritas." I probably should give credit for it since it's by an artist who is selling prints of it on the internet. The artist's name is Amanda Clark and her website is: http://fineartamerica.com/featured/margaritas-amanda-clark.html. I'm actually considering buying a print myself but since I haven't acted on it, I'll probably be on to something else I want tomorrow.

Thanks Pat! I've got it favorite placed to check out when I have more time. (I love the greens.)

Hi Pat- Nice New Thread! Very summer-like. I'm glad you enjoyed Lost & Found. I also recently read and liked it. How is Born to Run coming? As you know, I'm crazy for that book.

I've never felt quite the same about restaurants after reading the Orwell bit on the plongeurs!

Those margaritas sure sound dangerous. I'm into summer rum drinks, myself......

Nice reviews, Pat! I loved Down and Out in Paris and London, and I'd recommend Homage to Catalonia, his account of his time spent as a soldier during the Spanish Civil War to you if you haven't read it yet. I loved The Arrival, but I haven't read Lost and Found yet.

High fives to the margarita slogan in post 1, Pat! I couldn't agree more.

Anyway, Down and Out in P and L sounds great. I'll wishlist and look around for it. Have a good one :)

Here! I'll take a virgin margarita, hot.

Hmmmm. I visited before and didn't write anything. What's up with that?
Anyway, very cool new thread, ma'am.

Mark I'm basically strolling through Born to Run at the moment. I've got more traction right now with Sir Vidia's Shadow (about Paul Theroux's friendship with V.S. Naipaul) because I'm getting close to the end.

Lucy, Orwell's descriptions of both restaurants he worked in in Paris were hellish and certainly made you think about the divide between the workers and the patrons.

Thanks Darryl. The book I have actually contains both Homage to Catalonia and Down and Out in Paris and London. I had hoped to read HtC for your Reading Globally thread on War and Regions in Conflict but didn't get to it. I will though and I'm glad you liked it.

Hi Lynda. Hope you like Down and Out in Paris and London when you get to it.

Jenn I actually think a virgin Spicy Grapefruit Margarita would work. You really don't taste the tequila just the habanero pepper and grapefruit juice.

Hi Peggy. Hope you're staying cool these days in NC.

(Sorry about the lack of touchstones. I have this sinking feeling that LT users with Windows 7 and IE9 are just going to have to live with this bug for awhile.)

Love the picture at the top of your thread. I didn't drink tequila for a few years, but recently had a very well made margarita at the beach and it made me wonder why I stopped drinking it. . .

Book No. 33--Flotsam by David Wiesner 4 stars

This is a wordless picture book supposedly for ages 4-8 but I think it can be enjoyed by anyone. The pictures are beautiful watercolors and tell the story of a young boy searching for treasures at the beach who discovers a camera that has washed ashore. When he develops the pictures from the camera he sees a fantastic underwater world as well as snapshots of people from different countries and periods of time. I think it would be a great book to read with a child because there is so much to see in each picture and you have to work out the story in your head. One of the unique things about it is that many of the pictures are really pictures within pictures.

Here's one of the pictures of the world beneath the surface of the sea:

Hi Brit. I think we cross-posted. It amazes me how many margaritas I've had at restaurants that have been awful. Alot of times they just seem to be the mix plus ice and are much too sweet for me. Unfortunately, my husband figured out how to make great ones at home so now my struggle is to keep the number of margaritas I drink a week to a minimum.

What a cool picture book. I'm adding it to my list. My kids will love this!

Wow - what a cool picture! The longer I look at it, the more I see (if that makes any sense...).

My local library still does not have either the Tan book or the Orwell book, both of which have been in the BlackHole far too long.

Off to check (without much hope, I confess) to see whether the library has Flotsam. I love that picture!

ETA: My faith in my local library is restored! It actually has Flotsam :)

Hi Pat. Great pic at the top of your thread! What a perfect summer icon. I've sworn off alcohol for the time being in favor of weight loss, but...maybe next summer. Heh.

I enjoy your reviews. Occasionally I'll write one, but normally I just opt for notes. Seriously, what was it Johnson said, something like "I don't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one instead." I have time to write reams of notes on books I read, but to distill those notes into a tight little review isn't worth the work. {grin} Anyway, keep up the great work.

Pat, I completely understand about horrid restaurant margaritas. This restaurant only used fresh squeezed lime juice the other essential - no mixes! Hooray!

#25 - Becky - You are my hero for swearing off alcohol in favor of weight loss. You are much stronger willed than I!

Hiya, Pat. I'll be adding Flotsam to my library hold list. I've just been notified that Radioactive is available for p-u so I'll finally have it in my hands later today.

My library had Flotsam! It will be mine today.

Hi Jenn, Stasia, and Lynda. Hope you all end up enjoying Flotsam as much as I did. It's one of those books I never would have heard of if not for LT. keristars recommended it in connection with the recent Read a Graphic or Animated Book on TIOLI.

Joanne seeing more the longer you look at the picture makes total sense. That's how most of the pictures are in the book. I had to restrain myself from rushing through it because I knew I was going to miss things if I did.

Becky I agree with Brit that you deserve kudos for swearing off the alcohol. I'm restricting myself to one drink a week while I'm trying to lose weight. One of the reasons I liked the Spicy Grapefruit Margarita so much is that I wasn't as tempted to inhale it as much as I am with the sweet ones.

#25 I have time to write reams of notes on books I read, but to distill those notes into a tight little review isn't worth the work.

Becky I can totally relate to this. My books are full of post-it notes but I can't muster the energy these days to write something coherent about them. And thank you for your kind words about my reviews.

Lynda I hope you love Radioactive. (Actually, I'm pretty sure you will.)

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I just wanted to thank the LT gods for fixing the touchstones!!!

Book No. 34 Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte--4 ½ stars

There are too many people on LT that highly recommended this book for me to remember and thank. As predicted, I loved it. The only reason I’m not giving it 5 stars is that once I put it down it didn’t particularly call out to me to pick up again. I sometimes went for days before getting back to it but when I did I quickly became absorbed by Jane’s voice and her story.

One of the things I enjoyed about the experience of reading this book was the physical book itself. The copy I have is one of those new Penquin Classics hardcovers with no dust jacket but a beautiful engraved design on the cover and a ribbon bookmark.

Of the classics I’ve read recently, this was definitely my favorite and I now join the ranks of those who highly recommend it. I read it in the late spring but if I ever do a re-read, it’ll be in the late fall or winter. To me it seems like the perfect book to curl up with in front of a fire while cold winds blow outside.

Pat, I had the same experience reading Jane Eyre this spring - the story would completely absorb me but when I put it down, I didn't feel the need to pick it up again as soon as possible. But I loved it, too.

#30: I have loved Jane Eyre for years, Pat. I am glad you enjoyed it!

>26 weejane:, 29. The strategy of one drink a week, and making it something good like your spicy grapefruit margarita, is a great idea. I've sworn off the hard stuff for awhile, but I do occasionally have wine. My weight loss is so slow, it's really the only way that I can do this. Slow but sure--haha. I started swimming laps recently using a kick board and I love it. I used to like to swim but hadn't been in a pool since high school--imagine. So getting back into the pool was a big step for me, but it was one of those "non-scale victories" that means a lot--a positive change that will help me reach my goal. Now I alternate swimming and spinning, and I enjoy them both. How are you doing?

Katie I remember you saying that about Jane Eyre and I was so glad that someone else had the same reaction.

Stasia you were definitely one of the LTers highly recommending Jane Eyre that kept me going. I'm so glad I read it.

Hi Becky. I'm doing pretty well with my weight loss/get into shape efforts. I'm averaging about a pound a week which I know isn't bad but it's hard sometimes to stay enthused because it can seem like a glacial pace.

The original personal trainer who I loved moved about a week ago and I've switched to someone new that she recommended. The new trainer works at a small upscale gym/studio where all the other people look super buff and super young so I'm fighting feeling like a misfit. I am seeing results but I'm struggling with adjusting to the new environment. I hate change!

One thing that I've really liked is using some diet software to track what I eat. Stasia had recommended Diet Power but unfortunately it wasn't compatible with my computer. I'm almost done with a free two week trial of similar software from a company called Weight-by-Date and I'll definitely be purchasing it. I love seeing all the graphs and being able to track so many things with my diet, exercise and progress. So a big thank you to Stasia for making me aware this kind of thing was out there.

I had totally forgotten about kickboards. That does sound like fun.

Pat, a lb/week is the rate I'm at as well. It's so slow; however, with all the exercise I'm doing along with it, I'm seeing bigger changes than the scale would indicate. I agree, it's hard to see it come off so slowly, but on the other hand, it sure is nice to see it come off. I use the Weight Watcher eTool, which isn't free, but I like it a lot.

>30 phebj:: I've never read Jane Eyre. I've seen film/TV versions a few times and was going to read it about four or five years ago and, instead, embarked on a "read the 6 major Austens" instead. Loved them...but never came back to pick up the Bronte. I'm not sure why. Perhaps the mood will strike again some time because I do think it's one of those books that has sufficient stature that everyone should at least try it once.

Let's hear it for the pool!!!! To quote a student, "The pool cures everything!" I hate to think where I'd be - or if I'd be - without it. I'm not losing weight, but even eating as badly as I do, I'm not gaining any either. I'm counting that as a victory.

#34: I am sorry that Diet Power did not work on your computer, Pat, but I am glad that you found a program that would!

I totally agree with you regarding the time of year to read Jane Eyre. I, out of necessity, read it during the late fall months and it was perfect timing. I don't normally do rereads but that's one which I plan to enjoy again and see if it has the same effect on me now as it did 30some years ago. Pats on the back for sticking to your exercise program without your much loved trainer. Actually the buffed ones may act as a good incentive to continue your regimine.

I just found out my daughter has to read Jane Eyre over the summer for school. Maybe I should tackle it along with her.

Pat, you are almost making me want to diet and exercise. Any sort of have-to regimen backfires for me. I'll continue my daily walks and call it good -- but I could certainly eat less and feel better. You and Becky can be my role models.

Good Morning to you! I've added Flotsam to the tbr pile.

Tad, I will be very curious to learn of your impressions of Jane Eyre. It remains one of my three top favorite books of all time.

I read Jane Eyre as a young teenager and, as with Little Women, I didn't enjoy and have never re-read it. Hearing so many people talk about their lifelong attachment to this book, well, I reconsidering...

Pat, I think you'll find losing slowly is more long-lasting. Making small changes over the long haul is supposed to be the secret to long lasting success.

Becky, Stasia, Lynda, Donna and Bonnie--thanks for your continuing encouragement re the weight loss efforts. I probably should be tracking my measurements because I do occasionally try something on only to find it looks too big (yeah!). Today was actually better at the gym. I finally saw someone older than me (although not necessarily in worse shape) and I also made it through the workout without feeling like I was going to collapse.

Becky and Peggy you're both making me think about the pool as a great exercise alternative. Of course, first I'd have to get over my phobia about appearing in public in a bathing suit.

Tad I think it would be wonderful to read Jane Eyre along with your daughter. I would have loved to have had a father that would share this kind of book with me. I haven't finished any of Jane Austen's books. I tried to read Sense and Sensibility earlier this year but didn't find it very interesting and I haven't tried any of her others. Do you have favorites? On the other hand, I was immediately drawn into Jane Eyre.

Jeanne I hope you give Jane Eyre another try. I'm pretty sure I would have loved it as a teenager but you never know. I hated The Old Man and the Sea when I read it in high school but after Donna recently read it and loved it, I'm going to give it another try.

Linda I think you'll love Flotsam. It won a Caldecot Medal for the illustrations.

Pat, the swimsuit phobia thing only took me 40 years to get over. Ha. Actually, it's really only been the last 20 or so. I finally said, "Woman, if you're invisible in clothes, then you'll surely be invisible in a swim suit"--and I was right. Believe me, no one cares what anyone else looks like where I swim laps. And I'll tell you something about the swimming. I'm in the pool for one hour, and I do as many laps as I can, with plenty of rests in between. (You can really only do this in a lap lane where there's about 1 other person. Fortunately, our pool is not crowded.) When I get out, I'm STARVING, so I figure I'm using up plenty of calories. I've dropped half a jean size since I started. I highly recommend it. Oh, and I ordered my suit from Lands' End so I wouldn't have to try it on at the store. I got one of those "tugless tanks," the same size as the jeans I wear, and it fits great. In fact, it won't be long before I'll be "downsizing"--whoot!

Becky I've heard other people say that about water aerobics classes--i.e. that they're starving afterwards. I know those classes are supposed to be easier on the joints but was initially surprised when people started telling me they were such calorie roasters. I'm glad to hear you liked your Land's End swimsuit. I'm often amazed at how many options they give you for mixing and matching tops and bottoms when I look through their catalogs.

Here's an update on my current reading. I'm still picking books up and then putting them down. I think I'm looking for something to grap me the way Matterhorn did.

Sir Vidia's Shadow by Paul Theroux. This is the one I'm closest to finishing. I've got about 60 pages left. It's a good book but I've grown weary of how difficult a person V.S. Naipaul is.

Born to Run by Christopher McDougall. I haven't got too far in this one but so many people have loved it that I'm planning to continue with it. My SIL (who loaned it to me) said it really takes off later on. It's non-ficton about the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico's Copper Canyons and their prowess as long distance runners.

Bloodmoney by David Ignatius. This is a new book that Suzanne recommended recently and I've only got it out of the library for another week. It's a thriller about the CIA's secret operations in Pakistan. I don't usually read this type of book and it's not particularly capturing my attention at the moment (but then nothing really is).

The Wedding of Zein by Tayeb Salih. This is a novella and two short stories by an author born in Sudan. It was originally published in the 1960s and recently released by the New York Review of Books. Tad recommended this and I read the two short stories last night and liked them so now it's on to the novella.

Considering my reading funk, I'm wavering on whether I want to take the "Literature of the Civil War" class I got into. I still have time to change it for another course which would probably be one on the Qur'an.

Here's the description of the Civil War class. I was wondering if anyone had any idea if it would be interesting or not. I've only read Little Women of the books mentioned.

The Literature of the Civil War.
The story goes that when President Lincoln met Harriet Beecher Stowe, author of Uncle Tom’s Cabin, he greeted her with “So this is the little lady who started this great war.” True or not, the story illustrates the influence of American writers who weighed in on slavery and the Civil War. Building on last spring’s popular course on Civil War history, we will explore how slavery and the war took shape in the popular imagination by examining texts from the 1840s through the late 1860s. Written by former slaves, Northern abolitionists, and Southern apologists, the texts include Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl, Little Women, and a selection of shorter pieces.

This is the description of the class on the Qur'an:

The Qur’an: History, Meaning and Significance.
The Qur’an (Koran) is surprisingly little known in the U.S., despite the fact that over two million Americans are Muslim. It is the exclusive basis of Islam, one of the largest religions in the world today. This course will explore the Qur’an, how it came to be; the role it plays in Islamic societies and among all Muslims; how it is interpreted; its contents and fundamental teachings; and its relationship to Jewish and Christian scriptures. We will also consider the Prophet Muhammad, who recited the Qur’an; the Hadith, or sayings attributed to Muhammad; Sunni and Shi’a differences; and some historic schools of thought and philosophy drawing upon the Qur’an.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

As much as I love Civil War hf and documentaries and movies, I'd still say go for the Qur'an class. The imagery, the poetry, and just imagine the interesting discussions you'll have-- and so relevant :o)

I think that they both sound fascinating, and I'd be hard-pressed to choose which I wanted. I might opt for the Qur'an since I've already read at least excerpts from the syllabus you list. I'd say that it all depends on your mood of the moment.
As to swimming - on the good side, you can wear a cover-up to poolside and slip back into it as soon as you're finished. That leaves only the few seconds on the steps in and out - although as Becky says, we're pretty much invisible. (When I was still teaching, I was in agony the first few times that I was in the pool with the swim team, many of whom I taught. I got over it.) On the negative side, don't let swimming be the only thing that you do for your bones' sake. I've read some recent studies that show that the jar of foot on floor isn't as important for bone growth as was long supposed. On the other hand, people whose only exercise is swimming do seem to lose bone mass if they are of a certain age.
I am one who needs to reread Jane Eyre and will most certainly leave it for the cold months.
Whose theory have I just been reading (a character in what novel?) that Bromwell wrote all the Bronte sisters' books while they drank themselves silly...........? OH! The intellectual in Cold Comfort Farm. Funny!

Hi Pat, I lost track of you for a little while, but I'm more or less caught up now. I enjoyed your reviews, have added Down and Out in Paris and London to my wishlist (wouldn't mind reading it after a re-read of 1984) and reserved Flotsam from the library since it fits so perfectly into our Children's/YA theme this month. The illustration you posted is what prompted me to act NOW. Sometimes pictures really do speak louder than words.

Can't help on your choices for classes unfortunately. If you asked me to choose between art classes, I might weigh in, but those are two subjects that I couldn't muster much enthusiasm for, in all honesty.

My vote would be for the Qu'ran class. My reading around Islam/Arab World has made me realize how central it is to understanding what is going on in that part of the world, how different it is from the Bible, and how little most non-Muslims know about it. It is also fascinating, open to various interpretations, etc. And something I think would be very hard to study alone, unlike the Civil War, for which you already have a lot of background.

Well Pat I want to say I would vote for Qu'ran class for all the reasons that Janet so eloquently stated. But in my gut, I know I would go for the Civil War class simply because I have an unfulfilled desire to know all I can about our country's history and it just sounds a lot more interesting to me.

I would have to go with the Qu'ran class because it seems more topical and pertinent.

My vote is for the Literature of the Civil War class. That should gum up the voting process a bit :)

I'm voting Civil War as well. Uncle Tom's Cabin is one of my favorites, along with Little Women. I have read parts of Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, but I need to read it all. I have heard wonderful things from other LT'ers about Incident's in the Life of a Slave Girl. What a great group of books to study.

We loved Flotsam. Thanks for the recommendation!

I'm waiting with anticipation to see what decision you make, Pat. I know what I would do. See what Bonnie, Stasia, and Jenn said. Let's see that puts it at four for the Civil War lit class and four for the Koran with one abstention. We're a helpful bunch, aren't we?

>45 phebj:: Well, Sense and Sensibility is my least favorite of Austen's books.

Pride and Prejudice is my favorite, followed by Persuasion and Emma, then Mansfield Park and Northanger Abbey somewhere together, and Sense and Sensibility definitely bringing up the rear.

48: I read Sir Vidia's Shadow several years ago, recall it as being quite intense. I don't know that I've ever read anything by V. S. Naipul; my interest in the book was from reading Paul Theroux's travel memoirs, plus some of his novels, so I was maybe personally biased in his favor. My impression is that he's not the easiest person either. V. S. Naipul indeed seems a tad too convinced of his place at the top of the heap: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jun/02/vs-naipaul-jane-austen-women-writers.
49: I read Born to Run this year, because Chris McDougall spoke at the local running club's annual dinner, and found it highly entertaining.

My vote is for the Qur'an class, because it's presumably less familiar and so more difficult to pursue on your own.

>45 phebj:, 59. Emma is my favorite Austen. I also like P&P, but I ended up studying that thing FOUR TIMES when I was in school, so I don't care for it much anymore. But give me another 10 years--ha. I think you should give Austen another try.

I'd also choose Civil War, but either way, I'll be interested in what you share with us!

Waves hello :) My friend Roxanna and I have been enjoying peach margaritas (or daquiris) while fresh peaches are in season. Yum!

Edited to add, where's the spicy grapefruit recipe?

So far, I count:

5 votes for the Qur'an class: Jenny, Peggy, Janet, Jeanne and qebo;

5 votes for the Civil War literature class: Bonnie, Stasia, Jenn, Donna and Joanne; and

1 abstention: Ilana.

You guys aren't making this easy. I'm slightly leaning toward the Qur'an class because I have friends taking it, the time is better, and there won't be any required reading. I partly think my recurring book funk started when I took my Stegner class earlier this year and had alot of assigned reading which I didn't want to do. I also know nothing about religion and like Janet and qebo said it would be harder for me to learn about this on my own.

On the other hand, I'm already signed up for the Civil War literature course and it's probably not fair to compare my experience with the Stegner class to one I haven't even taken yet. I think I'll try to take the books for the Civil War class out of the library and see if they look interesting. The class doesn't start until November but if I wait too long I may not be able to get into the Qur'an class.

Thanks for the input everyone!

Jenn, I'm glad you liked Flotsam and Ilana I hope you do too. Ilana, I'll be interested to hear what you think of the illustrations since I see so many fantastic ones on your thread from the books you're reading.

Tad and Becky thanks for the input on Austen's books. I will definitely give Pride & Prejudice and Emma a try before I give up on Jane Austen.

qebo, I remember Bonnie mentioning that article about V.S. Naipaul recently and I decided not to read it because I was planning to pick up A House for Mr. Biswas and I didn't think I'd want to read it if I read the article. Well, I never got to A House for Mr. Biswas so I will check out the link soon. I've never read anything by Paul Theroux before but I do like his writing and will read more of his books. That's interesting about Theroux not being the easiest person either. Could be that's part of what drew them to each other as friends.

Ardene, I posted a link to the recipe for the Spicy Grapefruit Margaritas at the end of my last thread. I'll go get the link and edit this message in a minute. We don't get good peaches here until sometime in August but boy do I love fresh peaches. Do you have any particular recipe you use for peach margaritas?

ETA: Ardene: Here's the (approximate) link to Msg #248 in my last thread with the info about the SGM recipe. If you've never handled habanero peppers before, take head of the warnings that follow that message. http://www.librarything.com/topic/115688#2800739

Hi Pat- Decisions, decisions! I would have to go with the Civil War class, only because I have such a strong interest in that period. Although, the Qur’an class would be interesting, since I don't know much about that religion.

Hi Pat,
I'm totally fascinated by the NF books on the Civil War. Of the Civil War books listed, I have only read Little Women and that so long ago (50 yrs) I don't even remember it being about the Civil War???
I am much more interested in learning more about the Civil War now than when I was younger.

I would be reluctant to take a course on the Qur'an since there are so many interpretations. It would depend on who was teaching it - and whether others who've taken it rec.

Left to my own devices, I would go for the Civil War course. ;-)

Hi Pat, catching up on threads this evening and I am intrigued to discover you are pondering two very interesting courses. Whichever you choose, I'll be here to follow your studies and the only advice I can give is go with your gut feeling.

Book No. 35 Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes--5 stars

It truly pains me that I'm not up to writing a review of this book because it's the best one I've read in at least a year. I keep waiting for the inspiration to adequately express the impact it had on me but that's not happening and it's time to move on. This is definitely one of my favorite books of all time and I can't recommend it highly enough. I hope everyone has a chance to read it.

I know just what you mean, Pat. Sometimes it seems the more I like a book, the harder it is to write a review worthy of it. Stumps me too. I know I will read it someday... it's on my WL but I just have to be in the right frame of mind for it.

Claudia

I've just finished a Newbery book that was so compelling and I understand your statement that the more you like a book, the harder it is to review. I highly recommend Slave Dancer by Paula Fox.

I would add Matterhorn to the tbr pile, but I believe Stasia recommended this awhile ago. I really must read it soon.

Good night my friend!

ooh,Matterhorn-- I wanna read it, I wanna read it! :o)

Hi Pat - I vote for the Qu'ran class for all of the reasons stated, especially that it is the kind of subject it might be useful to be guided into since it is less familiar.

Matterhorn has pride of place on my desk so it won't get lost amid the hundreds of other books that have somehow found their way into my house. I am waiting for a long stretch of time when I can really devote myself to it.

>69 phebj:: Pat, I think your few words of sincere praise of Matterhorn said more than a long review would have. You've made it a MUST READ book for me. In fact, I bought it a few days ago for my husband's birthday. I'll let you know how he we like it.

I am glad you liked Matterhorn so much, Pat! I thought it was a terrific book - it made my memorable reads list for last year.

Pat, thanks for the margarita link. I'm so behind on threads! Roxanna is the margarita maven, but I make a great peach salsa, and I'll try and post that recipe later.

As for the class, I'd go for the Qu'ran, but then I was a religion major in college, and the subject still fascinates me.

Matterhorn bumped up the TBR.

This is funny about the classes--neither one is a clear favorite (current tally: 7 for Civil War Literature; 7 for Qur'an). Since I'm a procrastinator, I've done nothing so far to change my registration for the Civil War class and it's possible it'll stay that way. I'll keep you posted.

I'm glad so many people are planning to read Matterhorn.

#70 Sometimes it seems the more I like a book, the harder it is to write a review worthy of it.

I agree!! I almost always feel "tongue-tied" when it comes to writing reviews, but when it's a book I think deserves a good one it can be paralyzing.

Ardene I hope you do post the recipe for peach salsa. I'd love to see it (and then convince my husband to make it).

Hi Pat, I thought your thread seemed a little quiet and then realised I was still on your old thread!

Sorry to hear about the return of the book funk and also interested to hear about your potential classes. Based on what you said about the Stegner class possibly contributing to the funk I think I would take the Qur'an class if that didn't have required reading.

Me. Matterhorn. August.

(Me too, Bonnie. Maybe we can make it a duo!)
Hi, Pat!

Pat, I didn't realize we were in the same boat when it comes to Jane Austen. I've read the first three books along with the Austenathon and started up Emma today, then decided I really don't want to be reading that right now, group reading or not. I think I really have to be in a certain kind of headspace to appreciate Austen, which doesn't seem to be a space I'm in very often.

Bonnie- You. Matterhorn. Good.

Ardene's Peach Salsa

Ingredients:
1-2 limes, squeezed (3 T lime juice)
2 cups fresh peaches, diced fine
1/4 C minced onion
1 clove minced garlic
1/2 minced habenero pepper
1/2 minced serrano pepper
1 T cilantro leaves

Squeeze, the limes, dice the peaches & mix. (This keeps peaches from turning brown.)

Add seasonings & marinate for an hour or two. If you want really thick salsa, drain before serving.

Serve with chips (or whatever else sounds good.)

Makes 2 cups salsa.

Oh, this sounds excellent! I'm going to a birthday party tonight, and we're supposed to bring "munchies." I'm definitely going to give this a try. Thanks, Ardene.

This sounds amazing. We've got 100+ peach trees and now I now what to do with the fruit next summer!

Jeanne! 100+ peach trees sounds amazing!

Ardene, Saved that recipe - looks yum. Thanks...

Oh ~ Hi there, Pat!

Hi Heather. Glad you found me. :-) And thanks for your input on my class choices. Your vote makes it 8-7 in favor of the Qur'an class. I still need to check out the books for the Civil War class before making my decision and hopefully I'll manage to do that tomorrow.

LOL Bonnie and Mark!

Hi Peggy.

Ilana I'm glad to have some company in not taking easily to Jane Austen but I haven't given up yet.

Ardene thanks for the recipe. It'll probably be another couple of weeks before we start getting the really good peaches at our farmer's market but when we do we'll definitely be giving this a try. Becky let us know how yours turned out.

And Jeanne, I agree with Claudia, 100+ peach trees must be awesome. I keep forgetting though that this is your winter.

I haven't given up either, but you're right, it's nice to meet other people who are not completely enraptured by her. I feel like such a pariah whenever the topic of JA comes up!

Hi - passing through.

Pat, both courses sound great but I would probably pick the Qu'ran one if you know the instructor will be interesting, just because it might be a harder topic to do on your own.

I would probably pick the Qu'ran one if you know the instructor will be interesting, just because it might be a harder topic to do on your own.

Hmm, Cushla makes a very good point!

Just catching with you Pat! Hope you're having a good weekend.

>84 markon:. Ardene's Peach Salsa: my report

I'm here to report that Ardene's Peach Salsa was a BIG HIT last night at the birthday party. It was so good, and it had the added benefit of being something different. Every bit of it disappeared even though I made a double batch. I had a young girl ask me for the recipe, and when I said to her, "Do you have a pencil?" she whipped out her cell phone. Silly me. She was at the party with her boyfriend who was the personal trainer of our friend having the birthday, and she wanted the recipe for a party she was having today for the women's soccer match. I heard her boyfriend say, "Get that recipe." Naturally they were both very fit and trim. I was happy to have brought such a healthy dish that everyone enjoyed. Thanks, Ardene!

This is very good served with tortilla chips--the salt of the chips goes well with the sweet of the peach salsa.

Thanks, Becky, for your report. I'm convinced! LOL re the cell phone...
* puts peaches (and all that other stuff) on the grocery list *

Have a great Sunday, Pat! :)

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Hi Ilana, Jenn, Cushla, Lynda, Brit, Becky and Claudia! Looks like the Qur'an class is the clear winner at the moment. And Becky thanks for that great report on the peach salsa. I can't wait to try it now.

I just made another double batch of the peach salsa. This stuff is awesome. This time I also threw in a few tomatoes. I'll probably make it every day as long as the peaches are good. We're having it with grilled chicken breasts while we watch the women's soccer match.

Make it hours before you're going to use it, because the longer it sits, the better it tastes.

My mouth is watering now! And having it with grilled chicken sounds perfect.

I have to say LT is a great source for good food ideas. I don't know if you ever read the Kitchen thread but mamzel posted a recipe the other day for summer tomato pasta which I also want to try. I don't think she'd mind me reposting it. Here it is in case you didn't see it:

Bought some perfect tomatoes at the farmers' market this morning for my favorite summer meal of uncooked tomato sauce and fettuccine. I peel and chop the tomatoes then add finely chopped garlic, good grated mozzarella, chopped basil, S & P, and a splash of extra virgin olive oil. Throw in hot, drained pasta and toss. The heat from the pasta is enough to release the wonderful aroma of the garlic and basil and melt the cheese but not cook the tomatoes. Top this with a generous amount of freshly grated Parmesan and I'm in summer heaven!

drooling over recipes...

Hope you'll share what you learn, whichever class you take.

I just copied the recipe into a Word document so I can try it in a couple weeks when our peaches are at their peak.

Ok, now I'm hungry just before bedtime. Should I get up for a snack? Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we have nothing as good as peach salsa or summer tomato pasta!

I also wanted to say that you may have finally put Matterhorn firmly on my TBR list. It was in my hand at the bookstore today, but instead I ended up with Once Upon a River, Your Presence Is Requested at Suvanto, and Everything Beautiful Began After. Maybe next time!

Checking in, Pat. Unfortunately I cannot have the peach salsa. Rats.

Glad you all liked the salsa. I think it would make a good marinade for chicken or pork as well, but it never lasts that long at my house.

Hi Jenn, Bonnie, Amy, Stasia and Ardene! Always nice to have visitors. :)

Thought I'd post a link to this blog post from The New York Times about spelling errors in print books these days. The comments at the end are also interesting. It's good to know I'm not alone in being driven crazy by typos.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/the-price-of-typos/?smid=fb-nyti...

Thanks for posting the link to the article, Pat. When I read Erik Larson's latest book I notice a typo and I thought "Really? I expected better from you Mr. Larson!" lol

That's funny Stasia. For some reason I'm always outraged when I see mistakes of spelling and grammar in books. I really should let it go since it doesn't look like it's going to change.

The pasta dish sounds terrific. I'm copying to try at a later date. Sometimes, I'm so tired of preparing the same ole same ole that I get so tired cooking anything at all. But new recipes really spice things up a bit.

Lynda let me know if you try the pasta dish. We're waiting until the good tomatoes are available at our farmer's market.

I think there must be a ring of editors checking books out in the Northland library as any typos and other errors are duly noted by the time I get to a book.

Pat, I read Flotsam today and thought it was amazing. Thanks so much again for recommending it!

Yummy for the tomato pasta recipe and thanks for the opinionator link.

Jeanne I've never seen any kind of corrections in my library books. I think that's really interesting that someone is doing that.

Ilana I'm so happy you liked Flotsam. I figured if anyone would appreciate the illustrations it would be you.

This is truly a mouth-watering thread, Pat. Good recipes to try if and when I ever feel like cooking again. So hot here!

I am so tempted to pencil in corrections in my library books, but so far I have held back. I guess it could be considered a public service, but with my kind of luck these days, I'd get my library card rescinded!

Donna I know what you mean about being afraid your library card would be rescinded. I was horrified to have a mark made on my account for returning a book with a stain on it. I actually never read the book and definitely didn't stain it. It's funny because I'm so anal about returning my books on time and I had to stop myself from going on and on about how I wasn't responsible. Very sad.

Pat- Just checking in on you! Hope all is well with you. How's the book-reading coming? Slow? Did you give up on Born to Run?

Mark for the moment I have put Born to Run aside. I am, however, enjoying Kate Atkinson's third Jackson Brodie book--When Will There Be Good News?. Have you read any of these? They're really good and PBS is going to be airing the BBC series based on them starting October 16th. Thanks for checking on me. :)

Yes, I've read the 1st 3 Brodie books. I liked them very much. Atkinson is such a good writer. I hope they did a good job with the BBC series.

Hi Pat! As usual, you've been reading some great books! And trying some delicious recipes. Spicy Grapefruit Margaritas?? *swoon*

I saw the article about the price of typos in the International Herald Tribune during over layover in Munich, and I tore it out and saved it so I would remember to find the electronic copy later. Typos and editing mistakes in published, printed books drive me crazy! I had a textbook last semester with a handful of typos, which made my blood boil -- textbooks are expensive!!

Mark I think it was JanetinLondon who mentioned the BBC Jackson Brodie series. She had seen it and said it was good. I also remember Suzanne saying she had purchased the DVDs because she has something that will play them. But I don't think she's watched them yet.

Hi Anne. Glad you're back home. The Spicy Grapefruit Margaritas are good but very hot! They're a nice change of pace from the sweet ones.

I'm glad I'm not alone in being driven to distraction by typos.

Hi Pat -- enjoying the debate over which class to take..... have you decided yet?????

Hi Pat - I was at the library yesterday and knew they had Flotsam on the shelf because I had looked it up online the day before. But then when I was there, I couldn't remember the name. Ugh - hate it when that happens. I've got it written down now.

I was also wondering about the class you picked.

Hope you're having a good weekend!

Great article - in terms of explaining. Sad that it won't be something they will try to change. I hate typos in books. It seems irresponsible. LOL.

stopping by to say Happy Sunday!

Hi Lucy, Joanne, Jenn and Linda! Hope you're all enjoying a relaxing Sunday afternoon.

I've decided to switch to the Qur'an course mainly because my reading level is still so abysmal. I finished one book in June (Matterhorn) and that was mostly read in May and it looks like I'll only finish one in July (When Will There Be Good News?). Hopefully this will not be the case in the fall when the classes are scheduled but I don't trust myself with required reading at the moment. And since there's a waiting list for the Civil War literature course, I think I'll cede my spot to someone who's more eager to take it than I am at the moment.

Joanne I had to laugh at your comment about forgetting the name of Flotsam. I really need to take a list with me to the library and bookstore because without one my mind goes blank. I only have several hundred books on my wishlist but I usually can't think of any of them when I'm surrounded by books. It's almost like me in a bakery. I basically want everything and therefore can never decide what to actually buy.

I have a horrible memory for name and words in general and know what you mean Pat about forgetting titles when you're surrounded by books. The only reason I manage to reserve anything at all is that I can do it online. I usually have the library site's tab open alongside the LT tab on my browser so that anytime I see a title I want, I go right over and either reserve it right away or put it on one of my wishlists.

When I go to bookstores, I always use my web browser on my iPhone to check out my wishlist here on LT and also double check with my own collection to make sure I don't buy something twice!

If it weren't for that, I don't know how I'd manage. Handwritten lists, I suppose.

Hi Ilana. I have an iPhone but so far have been hopeless about using it as much more than a phone. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to get to my LT wishlist on it. Luckily, in the library I can look up my library list of books on their computer. Has your weather cooled down at all?

Yes, it's actually quite nice today at around 80 degrees (26 Celcius). Would that summer always be like this!

As for the iPhone, the only reason I got it is precisely because it's so much more than just a phone. I don't use the web browser feature all that often, but when I'm on my way to a bookstore, I always log on to my LT account and put up my wishlist page. It's useful too when I sometimes see a book I think might interest me and I want to see what the feedback was here on LT. Not to say that I always agree with the majority, but it's something to go on.

In case I'm not being clear (migraine today makes for muddled thinking), I didn't actually put my wishlist on the iPhone. Maybe there IS a way to do that, but I actually like to use the browse functionality of the LT site, which I can do with either WiFi access or (more usually) the 3G networks which I have a package for with my provider.

"I only have several hundred books on my wishlist but I usually can't think of any of them when I'm surrounded by books." My case exactly. I don't have a smart phone of any kind, but the only reason I'd want one would be for easy access to LT and my PBS wish list. So, Ilana, you are my ideal; until I get the technology, I just have to be very careful with my handwritten lists!!!
Pat, I'm personally excited that you chose the Qu'ran course. I'll look forward to your reports with great interest!

I don't know that anybody ever said I was an ideal of any kind *blush*, but I can say with certainty that my iPhone has really transformed my life in many ways. In fact, I don't think I could function without it. Thank goodness everything gets backed up on the computer if (God forbid) it should ever get lost or stolen... but what makes them really great is that with the ever-growing selection of apps available, you can really personalize the technology to suit your needs.

Gosh, maybe I should be a PR person for the good folks at Apple, eh? :-)

We've been waiting to get 'smart' phones until a) our old phone contract runs out and b) our phone service improves -- although someone stayed here the other day and had no trouble using their i-phone here, so we are all feeling good about that. I love the idea of having my LT list handy whenever I see a bookstore, although it is also a bit of a scary idea!

Qu'ran it will be. I'm sure we'll all learn something from you!

>131 sibylline:: I was in Barnes & Noble the other day and it was great to be able to check series order and which of many similar titles I had read.

#128 I use my iTouch the same waY Ilana uses her iPhone. I've found, though, that I get so excited walking into a bookstore or library sale that I'm drawn to many books which are not on my wishlist and I put my iTouch away so I can use both my hands to carry the heavy bag of books while perusing the shelves. I just can't win! Oh! BTW: I'm excited WE'LL be taking the Qur'an course, it sounds rather interesting.

Can't wait for the Qu'ran course! Do you know yet which translation you will be reading?

132 I can see how that would be a huge help.

133 Very funny and so true!!!!!

Just catching up with you. I'm going to wishlist the George Orwell book you mentioned WAY at the top of your thread! :)

Hi There...so sorry to be far behind on the threads, especially since I enjoy you so much!

#133 LOL. I just put the book piles down (keep a close watch over them so they are not taken by anyone) and keep at my iPhone. I just hate thinking I might end up buying the same book twice. It's happened a few times and is deeply annoying.

Pat, you've gone missing...*echos thru a quiet thread* Wwwwhheeerrrrre arrrre yoooooou?

Mercy! You have been gone longer than a week, Pat. That's not right.....
I dropped by to say that I've started Matterhorn, but I have to read in small quantities. It's INTENSE, and my life-long friends lived through it. I can at least read it, but it hurts.

Unfortunately, I've been spending the last week in doctor's offices. I went in for what I thought would be a regular mammogram last Tuesday. They found something suspicious which turned out to be at least Stage III breast cancer (because of it's size and the fact that it's spread to the lymph nodes).

I have a CT and a bone scan to check it hasn't spread any further tomorrow but won't find out those results until Thursday. So keep your fingers crossed. As long as it hasn't spread any further they consider it curable but I will nevertheless have to do surgery, chemo and radiation which I am NOT looking forward to.

I've been mostly calm so far probably because I'm in shock and physically I feel great after several months of healthy eating and exercising.

My time on LT has suffered because I've been on all the breast cancer websites trying to learn as much as possible about what my next year is going to be like. YIKES!!!

((((( Pat ))))) I don't know much about breast cancer except that there are many survivors who go about their lives normally after treatment. My thoughts, my prayers and my hopes for a speedy and successful treatment and recovery time are with you and the hubsters.

((((Pat))))) Fingers are crossed and best wishes sent your way for good news on Thursday.

Pat, I just came in to catch up and saw your news. Good luck for the CT and bone scan and for getting the results. I'm thinking of you from over here.

I'm so sorry. Many well wishes while you wait for Thursday's results.

I'm sure that the fact that your health has recently improved with diet and exercise is going to serve you well while you get through this and come out the other side.

Pat, sending you the most heart-felt warm thoughts for your treatment and recovery.

I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers Pat for just as long as it takes you to beat this thing, which I have no doubt you will. I don't doubt that you are in shock but the treatments they have today have saved many women.

#14 (((((Pat))))), I don't know what to say. I completely echo your yikes though! Thoughts, prayers, crossed fingers and toes will definitely be with you between now and Thursday. I'm sure the healthy eating and exercise can only have helped.

You must be feeling absolutely knocked sideways after hearing the news. More ((((hugs))).

Oh my goodness, Pat. I can only add my own voice to everyone else's. Wish you weren't so far away so I could give you a hug in person!

Pat, all my love and best wishes at this time.

Oh, Pat, I wish this were not happening to you. You are now a priority in my prayers - for healing and patience and courage. I know that you will do what you have to with grace, and I'm thankful that you have good support at home and online.

Pat, I'm joining everyone in wishing the very best of whatever is needed for you to beat this thing.

There's a breast cancer site I got to click every day that provides free mammograms, and now I'll think of you specifically when I do that little gesture.

(((((BIG hugs)))))

141: Oh my, what a shock. Sounds like you are in competent hands and as informed as can be, while awaiting test results. Best wishes to you.

Absolutely, Ilana! Count me as another daily clicker of all those "Greater Good" sites.

That's great Peggy. It's just a little gesture, as I said, but it does add up. You can also set up a daily email reminder to click from any one of those sites, which is what I do.

Thanks for all the good wishes, everyone! And Ilana, thanks for the link to that website.

I would have had no idea anything was wrong if not for the mammogram. The only thing that prompted me to call for the appointment was a blotchy rash on the right side of my chest that I noticed after a shower and that didn't go away for a few days. When I realized I had postponed my annual mammogram (which I should have had in April) while my husband was going through his knee surgery recovery, I decided I better get it done. They had a cancellation and got me in right away. I never expected them to find anything. I thought it was just a skin reaction to something which it probably was because it's gone now and the doctors don't think it was related. They said women usually only get a rash with a really agressive form of breast cancer called inflammatory breast disease which they say I definitely don't have.

Anyway, since I can only go forward at this point I'm trying to have a positive mental attitude. I REALLY appreciate everyone's support.

I'm very sorry to hear about that unexpected news, Pat. You're in my thoughts and prayers, too. Please let me know if I can be of any help to you.

Pat - I'm so sorry to hear about your breast cancer. You are in my thoughts and prayers. My grandmother, who turned 92 this month, had breast cancer in her early 60s. And my mom is 10 years cancer free after her colon cancer. The doctors and nurses can do so much these days. Your positive attitude will definitely help you fight through this. And we'll all be here supporting you too.

Oh my goodness, Pat, what awful news. I am sending hugs and good wishes your way, and you will be in my thoughts every day. Do you need anything?

I've been lurking for a while on your thread, Pat. But I wanted to let you know that you're in my prayers and I'm sending positive vibes your way too. Please let me know if there's anything at all that I can do for you.

Pat- Sorry to hear the news! My heart goes out to you, my friend! Sending positive healing vibes... Keep us posted.

Prayers going up, Pat!

Pat, I'm sending you hugs and hoping for a speedy and complete recovery.

Pat, I join with the others in wishing you a complete recovery. The next year will undoubtedly be tough, but one day at a time you will get through it. I think you have started out with the best possible attitude: "since I can only go forward at this point I'm trying to have a positive mental attitude" - I know how this goes, and I know how hard it is to keep it up at times, but I also believe you can do it.

(((hugs!))) You're in my thoughts and prayers.

(((((Pat))))) I am joining the others sending thoughts and prayers your way. It IS very fortunate that you are in good shape physically to go through this ordeal. Hope it is not as bad as we might imagine. I wish the very best outcome for you.

Gotta make a call for an appt for myself that I have been putting off to care for others. Thank goodness for the rash you had - whatever it was.

Adding my shock regarding your news and best wishes & prayers for you. We love you here at The 75 and wish you the very, very best as you go through this trial.

Thoughts and prayers and good vibes and positive energy and all other good things being sent your way Pat. I feel so helpless and wish I could do more.

Hoping all goes well today, Pat. Sending good karma, prayers, whatever it takes.

Special hug for you today {{{{Pat}}}}

You are in my prayers......

Thanks for all the hugs, thoughts, prayers and healing vibes! It really does make a big difference to me. It's something to focus on instead of my fears which have been all over the place the last couple of days. People I've talked to that have gone through this with someone before tell me this can be the hardest time. Once you have a complete diagnosis, you at least can focus on what you need to do.

I'm hoping I'll have a pretty definitive diagnosis by the end of the day when we see the doctor for the scan results. I suppose it's possible the results will lead to more tests. The bone scan supposedly picks up arthritis which I know I have at least some of. And I have an MRI scheduled for Sunday (who knew they did MRIs on Sundays) to get a better picture of both breasts. Until I get these results, I can't make a decision on lumpectomy, mastectomy or bi-lateral mastectomy.

Anyway, that's my story at the moment. Hopefully, it will have a happier twist by the end of the day. I'll let you know.

Pat, we will all check back eagerly for what we join you in hoping is better news. What a day!

Pat, I hope you have more peace when you get your test results back and can plan your treatment It looks like it's time for your husband to take care of you. You and your family are in my prayers during this scary time.

Pat, I'm glad the scan is over and amazed about MRIs on Sundays (definitely would not happen in Switzerland!) I know everyone's different but for me waiting for results is the worst part. I've had 3 biopsies for breast lumps over the years, nothing compared to what you're going through, and was a wreck every time. Hope your husband is coping too. If I was there I would bake you a cake!

Some good news!

We just found out that the scan results showed "no surprises." All they picked up was the same thing the mammogram and sonogram did. BIG relief! Now, I'm considered curable.

So . . . the next step is the MRI of both breasts on Sunday. Based on whether this shows anything else (and apparently MRIs are notorious for "false positives"), I'll have the information to decide what type of surgery I'm going to have--either lumpectomy, mastectomy or bi-lateral mastectomy. If it's lumpectomy, then I have to meet with a medical oncologist next week to start a couple months of chemo to shrink the tumors. Not looking forward to that but at least I'll be going into it with a more positive diagnosis.

The only bad thing is that they actually left this message on my cell phone yesterday (when I was a basket case) but I wasn't expecting any messages so I never checked it. Needless to say, I'm not a big cellphone user. It was only a few minutes ago when they called to see if I still wanted to come in and talk to the doctor today, that I found out. (Note to self: check cell phone more frequently!)

One hurdle jumped. I'm glad it was the best possible news.

Good luck with the Sunday (who did know?) MRI results and clarity in your decision-making.

Hooray for good news, Pat! Good luck through your upcoming tests and decisions. Thank you for keeping us updated. Still sending love and good thoughts. Courage!

So very happy your scan was agreeable! Phew! Now... onward...
Wishng all that you need to feel in control and on the road to recovery :)
Hang in there!

#175 Woo hoo on the news! Will be thinking of you Sunday and next week.

I ditto everyone's woo hoo's, Pat! It is certainly a step in the right direction and we're with you all the way. Now, go read a book and ease your mind.

Continuing to hold you in my thoughts.

I am so glad that the news is the best it can be!

Hurray for good news! Here's hoping for more. Hopefully some reading will help distract your mind in the waiting periods.

Wonderful news Pat! I know from others that it's not knowing what's going to happen that's the hardest. Hopefully, you can get started on the treatment and be on your way back to good health.

Whew! I'm glad the wait is over and the news from the scan was positive, Pat! Now onward to treatment and I will keep you in my thoughts for a speedy and total recovery.

BIG RELIEF!!!!
(I'd like to throw something unpleasant at the office staff that couldn't be bothered to speak to you in real time. Well, I'll let it go.)
Now continuing prayers and positive thoughts for your discernment and decision making!

I lost my mother to breast cancer when I was in college. Treatment has improved so much since then. I hope that everything goes smoothly for you and you have a minimum of side effects and discomfort from whatever treatment you undergo. My thoughts will be with you.

Doing a happy dance here, Pat!

Today has definitely been a better day. All your good wishes worked! And, I am going to spend sometime reading tonight.

I got a newly released book out of the library the other day--Turn of Mind by Alice LaPlante that seems good so far. It's told by Jennifer White, a retired 64 yr old former orthopedic surgeon who is in the beginning stages of dementia. Some of her comments are quite lucid while others are distinctly confused so it takes a little while to figure out what's going on. What emerges is that Dr. White is being investigated as a suspect in the murder of her best friend and the reader has to decide if she really doesn't remember what happened or has just conveniently forgotten. Hopefully, it will continue to hold my interest.

Hope everyone has a good evening. It's my best one in the last week!

:) Happy to hear the best news possible! Enjoy your book - it's supposed to be a very good one!

Pat- I'm glad you are having a good evening! Big, but gentle, Hug!!

I'm glad and relieved to hear about the good news, Pat! However, I'm a little bit disappointed by the decision of the person that called you to leave a voice message with personal medical information on it. Sensitive information such as that should be ideally discussed in person, or via a direct phone conversation if direct communication isn't possible, even if it's good news.

That sounds like a great read Pat.

Sending you lots of healing vibes along with a big (((hug)))

(a gentle one, goes without saying.)

Hi Pat! I am just catching up. So sorry about your diagnosis, but really glad about the good news. I will keep you in my prayers. Good for you for working so hard this last year on exercise and eating right. It will help. Off to put "schedule mammogram" on my to do list for tomorrow. ((hugs))

Wonderful, wonderful news, Pat! Thanks so much for sharing it with us.

So glad to read the good news Pat!

Pat, I'm so glad you got encouraging news, although I agree with Darryl. I don't check my cell phone as often as I should either. I think the person calling should have left you a message to call back and kept on trying to reach you in person. I'm just a little cranky about patient service after seeing what goes on in the hospital.

I hope the good news continues. We're in this with you, Pat, so please feel free to keep on sharing your ups and downs with us... and let's hope there's more ups than downs!

May today be a good one for you.

I'm thrilled at the news, and I'm loving your positive attitude, Pat. Well done. (and I agree with Darryl - I would suggest you tell your healthcare providers not to leave voicemail messages like that, because at some point the ABSENCE of a message will make you worry.)

Thinking of you again today.

Turn of Mind was great. Innovative and exciting. I hope you find it distracting and absorbing.

Not too long ago when I was visiting a healthcare provider for the first time and filling out the million forms they required, I had to specify communication preferences. Could they call my cell phone? Could they leave voicemail messages on any of the phone #s I provided? Could they give information to anyone else (like my husband)? Pat, perhaps your provider has a similar protocol you could arrange to have on file?

Hi Pat!
Big wave and hugs! Lots of pretty butterflies around here lately - so I'm sending you a few :)

Glad to hear the good news. Hope things will continue to go well.

Hi everyone. Thanks for the visits and the encouragement.

Right now there are so many doctors I've seen in the last 10 days (radiologist for the biopsy, radiation oncologist for the results, surgeon) and then all the tests (blood tests, CT scan, bone scan, MRI) that I don't even remember what I told people about leaving me messages. They all of course have separate paperwork to be filled out. I always hestitate to give out my cellphone number because I usually only make calls on it rather than receive them. But I was calling various offices from it last week and I think that led to the confusion.

And Janet I think you're exactly right about the implications I'll draw in the future if I don't get any messages after a test. The orginal plan with the CT and bone scan was to see the doctor for the results rather than get them over the phone.

The MRI I had earlier today was another easy test and the surgeon said he'd be calling me sometime tomorrow with the results. They had asked me ahead of time if I was claustrophobic and when I said a little they immediately prescribed xanax so I think that had a little something to do with making it easier.

I haven't had a lot of focus for reading and was getting a bogged down in Turn of Mind. The main character is not very likable. So I've picked up another book I recently got out of the library--Maine by J. Courtney Sullivan. That I'm liking--so far.

Oh, and the second biggest shock I've gotten recently was the first doctor bill for the biopsy. An in-office procedure with local anesthetic that took about an hour resulted in a bill to the insurance company for just under $13,000!!!!!

Xanax sounds like just the thing.
Meanwhile, don't look at the money. That will be all right.
With no reason at all, I started a Katie Fforde piece of chick lit today, and it's just the thing. Enjoy Maine!

If only you could be on Xanax for the entire experience (lol). I agree with Peggy. Don't look at the bills. The money is not the most important thing here. I hope you enjoy Maine.

When I had my first MRI back in 1987 they asked me if I was claustrophobic and I said, "No." Well I probably wasn't but at that time the hole they pushed you into was soooooo small, your face was so close to the top of the thing that it made me claustrophobic and I've remained so ever since, even though now the machines are much roomier. Xanax is the answer.

If only you could be on Xanax for the entire experience

Now there's an idea!

Bonnie I had to lie face down for this MRI which was good because I just closed my eyes and never saw the tube they slid me into. But boy are those tests noisy! Half the time it sounded like a fire alarm had gone off and the rest of the time it sounded like a construction zone.

Turns out my DH is very very claustrophobic and when he had some MRI's years ago I had to go into the room and hold his hand -- back then they didn't hand out the xanax, I don't think! And I don't think he knew he was claustrophobic until then either. And I will say, it was one of those surreal experiences, leaning over this huge thing and holding onto him. But he was able to stay in there with me there.

I had an MRI about 11 years ago and don't remember if they gave me anything or not but I remember being surprised at how noisy it was and how long it took.

One of the things they did this time was give me something to hold which I could squeeze if I wanted to stop the test but they asked me only to do it if it was an emergency. Otherwise they might have to start over. I asked them what an emergency was and they said some people were just so claustrophobic they couldn't stand it and some people were in pain and couldn't hold still anymore.

I'm assuming the xanax is a big help in getting through the test for most people. It was the person who scheduled the test that suggested it to me.

I've never had an MRI and I'm not claustrophobic but I'm going to keep Bonnie's story in mind. Xanax is a great idea. When my husband had an MRI a couple of years ago for his back, they also gave him something to squeeze in case he needed them to stop. He was in a lot of pain at the time but was able to finish without stopping. He said just knowing he had that bit of control made it easier.

I've got Maine on my holds list. I'll be interested in what you think!

Just catching up on your news, you've had quite a week! I'm glad the scan results were so positive - will be thinking of you as you face the ongoing treatment.

Hi Pat :) Wishing you well with everything today. I'm glad you're enjoying Maine. I haven't read it yet but it looks like one which will take you a way from your troubles for a bit. Hang in there, kiddo.

Oh my god, I'm in shock over that $13,000 bill. Thank goodness for insurance.

I squeezed the thingy when I had my MRI a couple of months ago because my hands were going painfully numb, and the pain was spreading up my arms and I needed to move them around a little. Turns out there were only a couple minutes to go and I could have moved my hands in the machine, but sheesh, they did say NOT TO MOVE AT ALL. Anyway, they didn't have to start the whole thing over, just that particular sequence.

Wishing you all the best. I'm clicking every day and thinking about you.

Just checking in to say "hi".

*waving* at Pat - just want you to know that prayers are still going up for you :)

Thinking of you, Pat, and hoping your day goes better than you can believe! {{hugs}}

Thinking of you Pat.

Hi Pat, thinking of you and hoping all is going well.

Hi everyone. Thanks for checking in with me. I finally got my official MRI results this afternoon and they did show something else "suspicious" but without a biopsy they can't know for sure. I have some time to decide what I want to do next because the cancer I have is not one that's fast growing. Right now I have an appointment with the surgeon again on Friday afternoon to talk about the next step.

The choice I have to make is whether to continue to investigate whether I'm a good candidate for a lumpectomy by having a biopsy of the area that lit up on the MRI. If it's nothing then I can definitely do the lumpectomy with some chemo first. If it's cancer, then I'll have to have a mastectomy.

The other choice is to skip the biopsy and just schedule the mastectomy. The only reason I'm considering this is because I'm a pretty anxious person and I'm not sure how I'm going to feel in the future worrying about things showing up. Once you have cancer you're at a much higher risk of getting it in the future. This is what happened to my MiL recently. She had a lumpectomy when it was first diagnosed in 2005 and then 3 years later had to have a double mastectomy.

Sorry if this is too much information for anyone but I'm so immersed in all these details lately that it's hard to edit my comments down.

Hi Pat. I hope you continue to feel that you have as many places as you need to work through these really tough decisions and rely on as much support in whatever capacity that we can give you here. You are in my thoughts every day.

Pat, I don't think this it's too much information at all. I agree with jeanned's comment that we are all here to support you as you work through the options. I have never been through anything like your experience so I can't offer advice, but I can understand your rationale for leaning towards the mastectomy at this nanosecond (recognizing in the next nanosecond, you could change your mind and that's OK).

Thanks Jeanne and Laura. I must say I never realized how much words of support could mean until this happened.

And Laura I had to laugh at your comment about changing my mind every nanosecond. That about sums it up at the moment!

Pat, This is definitely a hard choice that only you can make.

My mom had breast cancer about 25 years ago. Back then the best choice she had was a mastectomy. A couple years later, she got breast cancer on the other side. Another mastectomy. She has been cancer free ever since and physically healthy otherwise. It's a drastic choice - but mastectomies have advantages. I have no idea what I would do.

IMHO, there can never be "too much" information on this subject. Please feel free to share what you are going through. We're here for you. It will hopefully help you sort things out - and possibly others who will face this decision.

{{{hopeful hugs}}}

Yes, yes, use us all as your sounding board as much as you need to. We're here to listen, and Laura is exactly right!

I guess it does! Now you see, dear Pat, that this is a good place to come to say whatever you're feeling at the moment. We aren't going to second-guess or judge or any of that other bad stuff. We do want to be a long-distance part of supporting you through this bad time.

I think to have us as just, well, listeners, is very good Pat. Don't worry about giving us too much information.

Yes, this is a good place to spread out and express your thoughts. I wish I had some wonderful insight but of course I don't. I know you'll come to the right decision.

Hugs to you.

Please don't feel like you ever have to edit yourself here, Pat. We are happy to be your sounding board, virtual support group, and just wish we could do more.

Pat

I talked to Stasia tonight and she told me the news regarding what is happening with you. Oh, MY! Please know I'm thinking of you and sending prayers.

Much Love

The info you are sharing is not too much for me either. The nice thing about venting here is we can edit. You don't have to. I am amazed at how many of us have either been through something like this, or had a close friend or family member go through it. We're here. Let me know if you go for chemo - I'll get to work on a hat. :)

Pat, I can't imagine being faced with the options you're looking at right now, but the way you're taking it all certainly is an inspiration. I'd be too much of a wreck to even talk to anyone at all, in real life, on LT or anywhere else probably. I echo the others when I say you need not worry about sharing here.

Sending your continued wishes for all the best.

Not too much info Pat. We want to support you as you have to try and make such tough decisions. As another anxious person I can completely understand that a mastectomy might ease the burden of worrying about things showing up in the future. And as Laura said, you're allowed to change your mind as often as you like.

(((hugs)))

Sorry if this is too much information for anyone but I'm so immersed in all these details lately that it's hard to edit my comments down.

Please do not ever hesitate to give us "too much information". It's good for you and it is helpful for all of us to learn of these things.

Indeed, it is a difficult decision you face yet you will choose wisely. You're a very informed woman and smart to boot. ((Pat))

I feel the same as everyone else. We all want to support and help you, and the one way we can do this is to read anything you want to share while you work through your feelings. At the end of the day, only you can decide what to do, of course, and we will support you whatever you do.

I agree with everyone else, it isn't TMI, and I wouldn't be surprised if you received information from one or more LT friends that help you make that difficult decision. We're all thinking of and praying for you; please keep us updated.

Pat, we're here for you whether you give too much or too little information. I wish I could help you make your decision but only you can do that. At least you will be well informed to do what is best for you. No judgment or advice here...just love...pure and simple.

Pat, it is really good seeing you working through the next steps. It's definitely not too much information. How long's the wait for the biopsy or the mastectomy? I hope whichever you choose is soon.

Thinking of you as you face this decision. I know you will figure out what is best for you.

You guys are the BEST! Being able to talk about things on LT definitely helps make me feel less alone in going through all this. I have a good support system in RL but sometimes people that are really close to you need a break from it and it's good to be able to come here.

Part of me still can't believe I'm going through this. I don't think the full emotional impact has hit yet because there seems to be so much information out there to gather first. And it's hard to predict how I'll feel after my decision is made about which surgery to have. Will I regret not taking another path?

Part of my problem is I'm a notoriously bad decision-maker. I almost always can see the pros and cons of any situation!

I have two volunteers I can contact who've had breast cancer. One had a lumpectomy and one had a double mastectomy. So I'll be talking to them in the next couple of days to see what they have to say. I'll also be talking to my MiL and one of my husband's aunts who are both BC survivors.

Cushla if I decide I want to do the biopsy, they can probably schedule that very quickly and I should have the results within 24 hours. If I do the mastectomy, I'm not sure how quickly that could be scheduled but probably quicker than I'm ready for.

Pat that is so fast for results! (a very pale silver lining.). Mine took five to ten days. (they also hurt far far less than I expected...another very pale silver lining if you decide to do the biopsy, although you have probably been poked and prodded so much in the last few weeks that your tolerance is high anyway. Sorry to sound like Pollyanna.) Sounds like you have a great support network and a good mix of family, RL friends and people who've been through it.

Cushla one of the reasons I'm dragging my feet on the biopsy a little bit is that I've already had 3 (at the same appointment--they found 2 breast tumors and some lymph nodes) and I'm still a bit sore from that. But it is good you get the results so quickly because the waiting to hear is probably the hardest thing for me.

I just spoke to one of my volunteers and she's going to have a couple of people call me to talk about their mastectomies. I also just made an appointment with a plastic surgeon to see what reconstruction would be like although that wouldn't take place until my chemo and radiation treatments are done.

Unfortunately, the earliest plastic surgeon appt wasn't until Sept 1st (and I don't expect to wait till then for surgery to remove the cancer) but they put me on their cancellation list. It just helps to do something!

I am a reluctant decision maker too, Pat.
I know it's because I over-analyze everything.

I try to collect as much info as reasonably possible, and I tell myself I'll never know the final outcome of all choices.
So, I'm forced to choose the one that makes the most sense at the time and deal with whatever happens along the way.
Just finally making a decision usually gives me the momentum to go forward - which is a big relief and gives me the needed energy and resolve.

Your balance of needing to know and urgency to move forward is admirable.
You are taking responsibility for your health - cudos and best wishes!
You will make the right choice for you. You will. :)

I'm here if you need me Pat. I'll share that I've had breast surgery and reconstruction. That was in 1996 and I'm fine now...totally fine! Call me if you need someone to listen to you.

Hi Pat, thank you so much for keeping us all updates -- I think about you all the time. And please, don't feel the need to edit! We're all here for you, and any way we can help is great -- otherwise, from where I'm sitting, I do feel pretty helpless. I know you'll get good advice from doctors and volunteers and make the right choice.

I'm another one that sees all sides of a decision and has trouble making up her mind. I think you're wise to talk to others who have had experience with this. Please continue to use us as a sounding board/venting place. Sending prayers and good wishes your way.

I must say that this sounds like a gathering of Libras! Pat, Bonnie, Claudia, Ardene----how many of you were actually born in the time of the scales? I was; I don't decide well.
Let me go on to add that it's actually raining here and has been for more than five minutes!!!!! This is a BIG DEAL!

Oh... how about that! An explanation for my behavior.
Yup. I'm a Libra. And though I was born just on the cusp, I've always been a strong Libra.

Got my mammo, Pat. Thanks for the unintentional push.
thinking of you...
{{{hugs}}}

>247 -Cee-:: yeah, I made my appointment. Wasn't overdue yet, but had just received the reminder letter from my doc.

When I was going through a rough time earlier this year, Pat, LT was one of my saviors. The people here are wonderful. Do not feel that the info you share is TMI - it is not. I am glad you can use us as sounding boards, advice givers, friends.

Hi Claudia, Linda, Anne, Ardene, Peggy, Laura and Stasia.

One thing that's been really helpful in the decision making process is a link that Jeanne sent me to her blog (http://trippy-roads.blogspot.com/2011/05/using-grid-analysis-in-decision-making.html). It's about how to make decisions using a grid analysis.

Basically it involves ranking the different outcomes you're considering by the factors most important to your decision. You also need to weight the factors. In my case, I'm trying to rank the 3 different surgery outcomes. The factor that's most important to me is my future physical health (or the likelihood the cancer won't return). But I'm also trying to determine how emotionally happy I'll be with each outcome too.

We met with the surgeon again yesterday to ask more questions and to tell him I do want to go ahead with the biopsy of what they found on the MRI. I should get that test and the results next week. He actually said I could have months to make my decision but I assume I'll only need a couple more weeks.

The volunteers I've met have been great. It's so good to see this can be part of your life but not your whole life. And I agree with Stasia about the benefits of LT. It's a huge positive distraction as well as a source of support.

Claudia and Laura I'm so happy to hear you're on schedule with getting your mammograms. If I had waited until the cancer had spread beyond my lymph nodes my chances of surviving 5 years later would have dropped to 15%!!!! Right now they estimate them to be 70%. They don't have the final statistics until after the surgery.

And Peggy I'm an Aquarias (sp?) but my mother is a Libra and was a notoriously bad decision maker.

Pat, once again, you're such a great source of inspiration. I completely support your desire to strive for physical AND emotional health with whatever decision you'll make. I think the two are inseparable, or that's what I've learned from personal experience, anyhow.

Here in Canada, they don't usually start mammogram testing until a woman reaches her 50s, but because I'm so exposed to stories about breast cancer (now with you, but before that, the daily clicking was also an influence, and there have been cases in my family too), I insisted that I get a baseline test about a month ago, reasoning that now that I'm in my 40s, I'd rather be on the safe side. My family doctor sided with my decision. As you say, it's all about early detection, and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

You have my continued support and admiration. And hugs. :-)

Pat--I've been away from LT, and have just read of your diagnosis. I'm so sorry for what you are going through, but glad that the doctors believe it is curable. And please, continue to share whatever you feel comfortable sharing.
One of my best friends is a ten-year-plus breast cancer survivor. I admire her so much, and I'm hoping that your results are as good as hers.

I'm wondering what I said to lead Peggy to label me a poor decider. Actually, I'm an Aries but since I've never followed any astrological sign predictions, I have no idea what that says about me.

I'm with Bonnie. I'm an Aquarius, I think, but have no idea what that means.

I'm stopping by to see how you are today.

Hugs

I hope that you are getting some useful information and advice from your volunteer supporters - and lots of support from those you love as you try to come to a decision.

Checking in to say Hi! and let you know I am thinking of you. :)
Wishing you peaceful sleep...

(>235 kidzdoc: - Bonnie, I have no idea. You were not part of that particular discussion --- I went back and looked. I'm sorry!)
Just checking in, Pat, and adding my ditto to everybody else's wishes for your good. Since reading is such a big part of our lives, I'm wondering whether you have had any time to escape into Maine or whether reading has become something totally extraneous.

Just saying hey and thought I'd send some calming thoughts your way.

Me too, Pat. Hang in there - you have a lot of people pulling for you!

Hey Pat. I just got back from vacation and read your news! Please hang in there! I'm holding you in the Light and I know that you will make the best decision for you when the time comes!

Thinking of you. {{{Hugs!}}}

Hi Pat, I just wanted to see if you had checked in, and to tell you that I'm thinking about you.

Thanks for all the visits and good wishes everyone. I'm still in decision-making mode but am leaning toward a mastectomy of my right breast as the best option.

Luckily no one seems to think I need to rush my decision which I'm happy about because the one medical provider I've been lukewarm about has been my male surgeon so I'm in the process of switching to a female surgeon that has been highly recommended.

I think my current surgeon is a perfectly good surgeon but he never looks me in the eye, always seems nervous, and takes forever to answer my questions. In contrast, all the nurses, the nutritionist, the oncologist, and the radiologist (who all happen to be women) have been calming to be around and very straightforward in their answers.

To me so much of this process is emotional and I've felt so much better after talking with the women healthcare providers. I'm not sure if my mixed feelings about the male surgeon are really gender related but the contrast is interesting.

Anyway, it looks like it will be about 3 weeks before I have any surgery so I feel like I have time to get ready for it.

Unfortunately, my leisure reading has been almost nil. I keep having books come up on my hold list at the library that I can only take out for 2 weeks and although I start them, I never finish them in time. So no real reading to report on. I won't bore you will all the breast cancer reading I've been doing.

Hopefully, I will be starting a new thread soon.

Hi Pat, thanks for the update. I think your instincts are good -- why go with a doctor... a surgeon, who makes you uncomfortable and seems uncomfortable himself? I had a friend being treated for breast cancer who did the same thing, for the same reason. She told me she didn't feel he was the one who would want to fight for her life. So glad you can make these decisions without feeling rushed. And all of us care more about you than your reading!

I appreciate the update Pat and also agree with you that you are right to respect your own needs and emotions in this process. If the your current doctor doesn't put you at ease, then it doesn't matter whether it's gender related or not, especially if you have someone highly recommended in the wings. I'm also glad to hear that you have a bit of time on your hands to make the right decision for you. I'm sure all this must occupy your thoughts for most of the time, so no wonder you're not getting much reading done. No worries, the books will still be there for your when you feel like picking them up again. :-)

I'm really glad you are managing to have so much control over your situation - I'm sure it will help you stay strong as you go through the surgery and start your recovery. I agree that how you feel about your doctors is critical. After all, they can all do the actual technical part of the job well enough, or they wouldn't be in their positions. I have been under the care of a small team of specialist haematologists for the last two years, and there are definitely some I feel more comfortable with than others. I can't choose which one I see on any given visit or day (they rotate between clinics, ward rounds, teaching and research), but I have definitely learned to save up some kinds of questions for certain members of the team rather than others. I also found, for what it's worth, that nurses are much better at answering questions about how things will feel for you day to day than doctors are (who are much more concerned with the bigger medical issues). It's an education, that's for sure, and it sounds like you have already learned quite a lot. Best wishes for the next stage of the journey.

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Hey Pat, I'm so happy you have created a team of health providers with whom you can discuss your situation and still feel comfortable. Sounds like you're on the right track :)

One thing I know for sure is you have to be comfortable with your surgeon. There's really nothing else to say so good for you to go with your gut.

Sounds like things are falling in place, Pat. That's good to hear. I agree with others about trusting your gut.

I concur absolutely with everybody above about trusting your feelings.

Hi Pat, Absolutely. There are too many good docs to have to deal with one that doesn't make you comfortable and feel like you're in good hands. You're advocating for yourself and seem to be making great decisions all around!

I agree with everyone else - having a surgeon you trust, who will answer your questions, and that you feel comfortable with is of paramount importance. I hope the woman surgeon that you are switching to meets your criteria.

Hey Pat, so glad you were able to stand up for yourself and your needs. That can be hard even without all the added stress you are enduring right now. I hope the woman surgeon works out!

Here's hoping for a surgeon who can look you in the eye and answer your questions. Good for you for looking for what you need.

Just checking in Pat. Sounds to me like you made the right decision about changing surgeons.

Hi Pat - hope you are getting all the right info and feeling better about making decisions. Just checking in to say hi! Thinking of you! (((hugs)))

Hi Guys. Thanks for checking in. I'm still in decision-making mode but will meet with a highly recommended female surgeon late this afternoon. I'm hoping I'll be comfortable with her and be able to arrange the surgery date.

There's lots of support out there for breast cancer patients and I've been taking advantage of it. I've been to a makeup class for chemo patients where I got several hundred dollars of free makeup plus instruction on how to use it. That was a really interesting experience since except for the occassional lip gloss I haven't worn makeup for about 11 years. I went to a meditation class last night that's attended by other breast cancer patients, seen the cancer nutritionist at the hospital, taken books out of the hospital's cancer center library, and am planning to see their counselor as well. I also found a small gym in Boise that specializes in training breast cancer patients that I hope to check out this week. Who knew there was something like that in Boise?!

Anyway, I'm off to get ready to see my dentist so will check in again later (hopefully with a glowing report on the surgeon).

I am so glad you are finding so much support and are taking advantage of programs and meeting people -- hope this aft. is a great meeting.

Good for you, Pat! I'll be checking in tonight to hear how the meeting with the surgeon went, but I think that it will have been fine. And I'll think about you this afternoon when I'm trying to play bridge. (We play once every three weeks, but it seems more like every 3rd or 4th day. Honestly. We just did that!)

I had a friend who went through a breast cancer diagnosis and all that went with that three years ago. She found much the same thing that you're finding, Pat: lots of support which she found to be very helpful. I hope you find the surgeon to be all you're looking for.

I'm so glad to see there is so much support available to you and that you are taking advantage of it. Being with so many women if have been there is also a huge benefit.
I'll check back later to see that all went well with "highly recommended female surgeon".

Thinking about you! Hooray for a gym that works with breast cancer patients! Take care.

We just got back from meeting with the female surgeon and I LOVED her. She was very calm and focused and answered all my questions in an understandable way so I've scheduled my surgery (single mastectomy with removal of lymph nodes) for Friday, Sept. 9th. I'll only be in the hospital for one night and the surgeon is working that weekend. Depending on how quickly I heal, I'll start chemo 2-4 weeks after that. The chemo is for eight two-week cycles (which works out to be about 3 1/2 months) so I guess I'll be done with that in January. Then it's on to radiation for 5-6 weeks and some kind of estrogen suppressing medication (since the cancer is estrogen positive) for 5 years.

It's such a relief to have this piece of it settled. I feel like I've made the right decision on the surgery and the surgeon.

New thread coming soon!

Wow, things are moving right along, aren't they? I'm so happy that you feel such a good connection with your new surgeon. And sounds like you've got lots of great support out there to lean on. I'm really happy that things are going as well as they can, given the circumstances.

(((Hugs))) to you Pat!

Sounds great, Pat!! What a relief to be in the caring hands of a calm and focused surgeon. We're here for you every step of the way.

We are, and I'm feeling your satisfaction and relief to be taking positive steps with a surgeon whom you trust already. GOOD for you.

Pat, I am so glad you liked your new surgeon and that things are settled. I know this sounds odd, but I favorited your message so I don't have to keep asking you when you are doing what! You've got your support system in place (including LT) and decisions have been made. Rest up and call on your inner strength to help you through the next few months. This too shall pass! You are definitely not going through this alone.

Sounds like a good plan and a good doctor to boot - and what a difference that can make. Thinking about you, Pat.

Thinking of you.

Pat, I'm glad you have a plan now. It helps so much to see it set out like that, doesn't it?

Great to read your update and fantastic news about the new surgeon!

Pat, I'm so happy you liked the surgeon and have pinned down details of your treatment plan.

That's encouraging news about your surgeon and treatment plan, Pat. Thanks for keeping us posted.

Pat, what a relief to have made a good connection with your surgeon. Now you can be sure that she's on your team -- as are all of us! Thank yo for keeping us updated. I think of you every day.

Feeling a strong, positive connection to any health care provider is SO important; I'm glad you've found that, Pat, and that you can use your energy now in thinking positively and making plans.

#284: It's such a relief to have this piece of it settled. I feel like I've made the right decision on the surgery and the surgeon.

Wonderful news! I am so glad that things are progressing for you.

Pat, I'm so happy to hear that you found such a great surgeon!! I continue to hold you in the Light that everything goes as planned!

Sept 9th is right around the corner... sounds like a great plan.
You are a fine example of wise and courageous womanhood, Pat... an inspiration...
Wishing you well, I'll be thinking of you and hoping for the best. :)

I'm here finally and belatedly to say I am so glad that you like your surgeon -- and that the plan is so clear and coherent.

Hi Pat, I just read through your entire thread--catching up on a summer's worth of threads lately. Sorry to read about your cancer diagnosis. What good news about finding a great surgeon! Wishing you all the best. My maternal grandmother had breast cancer, she survived it, thankfully. I will be sending good thoughts your way.

Sandy K

Thinking of you Pat. Glad to hear you've settled on a plan and got on well with the surgeon.

Hi Everyone! Thanks for stopping by and all the continuing support. It really brightens my day. I've been pretty distracted by getting ready for my upcoming treatments. My obsessive traits are kicking into high gear and I'm trying to learn everything I can so I can be prepared.

Unfortunately, I've fallen very far behind on all your threads. I have actually been doing some reading though. A couple of days ago I picked up Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier and have really been enjoying it.

I also finally tried using the audio feature of my iPhone and listened to a podcast my husband had downloaded of Wait Wait Don't Tell Me and also some guided imagery relaxation downloads from iTunes. I really liked that so I'm going to give an audio book a try. I know a number of you have recommended audio books in the past but I was wondering which ones you might recommend for post-surgery when pain medication will make it hard to concentrate.

(One of these days I actually will create a new thread.)

All is sounding good with you, Pat. (I love "Wait! Wait!") I had my annual mammogram this morning and thought about you the whole time.
The only trouble with Rebecca is that it's not long enough.

Glad to hear you are able to do some reading Pat. And it's good to hear you now have a plan.

As far as audiobooks, some of my faves have been Water for elephants by Sara Gruen, Born to run by Christopher McDougall, and Lizzie Bright and the Buckminster boy by Gary D. Schmidt

oo, oo, oo, I highly recommend Tina Fey's audiobook, BossyPants. She's smart and she's funny - wait, on second thought, if it hurts when you laugh, do not get this audiobook. I'll keep thinking.

I don't remember if you are a Jane Austen fan or not, but I have loved listening to her books on audio. I listened to Persuasion narrated by Michael Page, and Sense and Sensibility and Emma read by Nadia May aka Donata Peters. She was also the narrator for The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie.

Pat, of all the audiobooks I listened to this year (61 so far, according to my library!), one that truly stands out for me is The Help because it's a great story and I would think a fairly easy one to follow, but also because the performance by three different narrators is truly outstanding.

Another one that is a favourite is The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman. Again, loved the very entertaining and fun story, and Neil Gaiman is also amazing as a narrator, with a very sexy voice and British accent and a great wicked humour.

Pat, Mary Roach's non-fiction books are quite funny and don't require a lot of concentration.

Hang in there; we are all thinking of you!

Hi Pat, I've been sort of AWOL from the threads myself but I'm happy to see you have a good, viable plan in place that you are satisfied with. I agree with Peggy's comment that the only problem with Rebecca is that it's not long enough.

Feel good book for me would probably be The Uncommon Reader but I think you've already read that. You're doing so well checking out everything that's available to help you out and to encourage positive thoughts that I'm sure you will do great.

Hi Pat, Upon further contemplation, I'm back again with another recommendation for an audio book. I would highly recommend Doc by Mary Doria Russell. I began listening to it and was completely mesmerized by the story she constructed around Doc Holliday. The narrator is fantastic and will have you hanging on everyword. It is surely one to take you away from your hospital environment.
((Pat))

I'm so glad you are thinking about books! Do you have a 'pull' in any particular direction? I find that mysteries work the best for me when I'm not at my best.....

Have you read the Three Pines mysteries by Louise Penny? I listened to them all. I also fell in love with the reader (Ralph Cosham) - or his voice, anyway. Sometimes going back to old favorites, things you've read before and liked can be both easy and comforting.

I'll second Jenn's suggestion of Ralph Cosham and Three Pines. I read AND listen to the books. Ralph adds a whole new, rich dimension and is wonderful.

Bossypants was good and Rob Lowe's audio of his book is also good. Neither are funny funny, but rather interesting and engaging without having to think a lot. Dick Van Dyke's was that way, too.

The Graveyard Book was fun to hear even though I had read it a couple of years ago. And Montana, 1948, read by Beau Bridges, was excellent - like listening to a play being performed (if that makes any sense).

I really enjoy the Harry Potter series via audiobook!

I've had pretty good luck with audio books...only a few clunkers. Some of my favorites that didn't require much concentration were:

* Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time read by Derek Jacobi
* Nevil Shute's Pied Piper read by Richard Brown
* Jane Austen's Persuasion read by Juliet Stevenson or her Pride and Prejudice read by either Nadia May or Flo Gibson (I've heard both and like them, though they are very different narrators)

Hi Pat, I'm thinking of you especially now that we've turned the calendar page to September. I know you probably want to get this over with. You've gotten some great hints for audio books. They should keep your mind focused on something besides your healing body. I'll second Joanne's rec for Montana, 1948. Beau Bridges is an excellent narrator. You and your family will continue to be in my prayers in the days and weeks ahead.

(((Pat))), thinking of you.

True Grit is another one I really enjoyed listening to this last year.

Thinking about you. HUGS!

Just checking in to see how you are doing, Pat. . .

Hey Pat, there's not a day goes by that I'm not thinking about you. Hope your off having margarita's and relaxing, energizing and meditating. Good thoughts are headed your way :)

Hi Pat, just dropping by to say I think of you every day and wish you well. Lots of hugs.

Hi Guys! I actually set up a new thread over here. Hope to see you there!