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1timspalding
Edited: Jun 17, 2015, 2:54pm Top

Blog post: http://blog.librarything.com/main/2015/06/new-feature-barcode-support/

Here's what it looks like in your catalog.

2leahbird
Jun 17, 2015, 2:59pm Top

Very cool!

3elenchus
Jun 17, 2015, 3:48pm Top

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Though the queues are swollen
Keep them upgrades rollin' ...


Y'all come back t'marrah, hear?

4anglemark
Edited: Jun 17, 2015, 4:16pm Top

That was really not a sight of beauty, Tim:

BIG UGLY SCREENDUMP REMOVED

Some untranslatable stuff and those darn span tags.

5timspalding
Jun 17, 2015, 4:11pm Top

Snort. I'll get it!

6timspalding
Jun 17, 2015, 4:14pm Top

Fixed!

7anglemark
Jun 17, 2015, 4:16pm Top

That's more like it! :)

8lorannen
Edited: Jun 18, 2015, 10:22am Top

In further good news, you can now order printed barcode labels from LT!

Blog post: http://blog.librarything.com/main/2015/06/new-printed-library-barcode-labels/

9suitable1
Jun 18, 2015, 10:36am Top

Why would I want labels that say "TIM SPALDING'S LIBRARY"?

10timspalding
Jun 18, 2015, 10:36am Top

Because you're gonna send me your books. That's part of the deal.

11Petroglyph
Jun 18, 2015, 10:37am Top

Kewl!

12suitable1
Jun 18, 2015, 10:41am Top

A great product for small lending libraries.

13Crypto-Willobie
Jun 18, 2015, 10:43am Top

I know from experience that barcode labels come with different strengths of adhesive. Some are "non-removeable", some almost fall off, and there are gradations between. Do we have adhesive choice? or how would you describe the default adhesive?

14kristilabrie
Jun 18, 2015, 10:49am Top

>13 Crypto-Willobie: Good question! We're using labels with permanent adhesive, no options for other adhesives at this time (though there's a possibility of this changing as the feature evolves).

15timspalding
Jun 18, 2015, 10:50am Top

Can you point them to the label source, K?

16lorax
Jun 18, 2015, 10:55am Top

You say that the sheets of "100" labels are actually 102. I don't think anyone would object to getting a couple more for free, but if people buy sets at different times and the numbering really does start from 501 for the second set after they got 508 in the first set, won't there be duplicated numbers?

17kristilabrie
Jun 18, 2015, 11:19am Top

We're getting the labels from Demco: http://www.demco.com/goto?BLS169547&

>16 lorax: Yeah, I can see how that's misleading. There are 102 labels per sheet, but we're only printing 100 per sheet to call it an even number. So, you'll be getting 2 free (blank) labels per sheet. :)

18Merryann
Edited: Jun 18, 2015, 11:43am Top

Barcodes at a discounted price. Great! Thanks!

Reading that the barcodes come from Demco, I'm surprised to read this: "Comparable barcodes cost about that much. In fairness, however, if you spend even more from these companies you can get more durable barcodes, intended for high-circulation public collections."

Edited to say: I kept reading it until I figured out 'yes, there are different grades of bar codes'. I just didn't know that. :)

Being able to purchase bar codes when I'm ready to is very exciting. Thanks a lot!

19Collectorator
Jun 18, 2015, 12:37pm Top

>3 elenchus: This is what I'm sayin' :o} It just gets better every day around here.

20timspalding
Jun 18, 2015, 12:50pm Top

>16 lorax:

That's a good question. I think I favor leaving two blank, for do-overs or something. That makes the math easier too.

>17 kristilabrie:

Right. We haven't really decided, but we did that for my tests.

21Sylak
Jun 19, 2015, 7:33am Top

Is the glue acid-free? Will it discolour the paper and potentially bleed through the page after a few years, like Sellotape/Scotch tape does?
Are there any assurances that this wont happen please.

22Taphophile13
Jun 19, 2015, 10:25am Top

>21 Sylak: Excellent question.

23lorannen
Jun 19, 2015, 12:38pm Top

>21 Sylak: Indeed. Kristi's looking into it for us.

24coprime
Jun 19, 2015, 1:33pm Top

I currently have the "Automatically add barcodes to new items" setting disabled, but any time I manually add a book, there's a 1 put there in the barcode field that I have to delete. Is it supposed to work like that?

25kristi_test_01
Jun 19, 2015, 2:24pm Top

>21 Sylak: Sorry, they are not. The labels we're using are "Highsmith Earth-friendly Laser & Inkjet Labels", not archival (acid-free).

>24 coprime: That sounds wrong, but let me check with the developers to make sure it's not how it was supposed to be set up.

26suitable1
Jun 19, 2015, 2:30pm Top

>25 kristi_test_01: What happened to the Demco labels in #17?

27norabelle414
Edited: Jun 19, 2015, 2:42pm Top

>25 kristi_test_01: Demco says those labels ARE archival-safe and acid-free......

http://www.demco.com/goto?BLS181610&ALL0000&es=20150619133854148054

28kristilabrie
Edited: Jun 19, 2015, 3:03pm Top

>26 suitable1: what do you mean? nothing's changed.

>27 norabelle414: those are not the labels we're using. we're using these: http://www.demco.com/goto?BLS169547&amp (item #WS14942220 for clarity), which are not archival.

ETA: I may have misinterpreted the customer service response I got--it sounded like they were describing our labels as the Earth-Friendly, etc, which may not actually be the case. Sorry for the confusion!

29timspalding
Jun 19, 2015, 4:06pm Top

Let's get an answer there. Kristi?

30timspalding
Jun 19, 2015, 4:07pm Top

>28 kristilabrie:

Can we find out how much archival ones are, K?

32timspalding
Jun 20, 2015, 1:29pm Top

I anyone still getting the problem with automatic barcodes?

33coprime
Jun 20, 2015, 3:19pm Top

>32 timspalding: If you mean my comment about a barcode number being present when I manually add a book despite having automatic barcodes disabled, then yes.

34METIER3
Jun 21, 2015, 10:30pm Top

Just wondering if you can add books to your library by scanning these barcodes with a mobile phone app? Thanks

35MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 22, 2015, 3:38am Top

>34 METIER3: This topic is about a new feature that allows members to create their own barcodes for identifying books. A barcode that you have added yourself will not be helpful for entering books.

You will find information about entering books with the ISBN on them in barcode form with a scanner at http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Adding_and_importing_books

36johnnyapollo
Jun 22, 2015, 6:42am Top

I'll second METIER3's request - even if it's off-topic. I would like a way to scan an ISBN or any bar code directly into my smartphone and into a "new book" request. Everything mentioned in the link provided by MarthaJeanne above is a hack - need something that works directly with iPhone that doesn't require an unreliable and multi-step cut-and-paste. There are many apps that work on iPhone for similar (RedLaser, Amazon checker, etc) that work much better than a cuecat and don't require a desktop or similar system with a USB port.

37MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 22, 2015, 7:36am Top

If you want a discussion of that, please open a new topic. (Not in New Features)

Your concern will be buried here because anyone looking for it will assume that the discussion here is about the new feature being announced. On the other hand it makes following the discussion of this feature that much harder.

38kristilabrie
Edited: Jun 22, 2015, 11:06am Top

Okay folks, good news: we've now got the acid-free, archival barcode labels! Same size (5/8" x 1 1/4"), same price, but now acid-free. We'll update the Store soon.

Label source: http://www.shopbrodart.com/supplies/labels-protectors-and-bar-coding/labels/lase...

ETA: We're in the process of getting the new labels, so if you order labels now they will be a little late this time around, sorry for any trouble.

39AshesiLibAdds
Edited: Jun 25, 2015, 7:17am Top

I suppose "TIM SPALDING'S LIBRARY" is a sample barcode label

40AshesiLibAdds
Jun 25, 2015, 7:19am Top

Looking forward for that greatness of "Librarything" in all capacity of library catalogue in the future.

41timspalding
Jun 25, 2015, 12:03pm Top

I suppose "TIM SPALDING'S LIBRARY" is a sample barcode label

Barcodes are free if you agree that, once you apply them, your books are now mine.

42lorax
Jun 25, 2015, 1:14pm Top

Ssh, Tim, that's supposed to be buried deep in the "I agree" clickthrough licensing!

43tharos
Jun 25, 2015, 3:12pm Top

What about some "use ISBN as my barcode" button?
I think many of us may use the ISBN as barcode - and adding it manualy to all my books is some kind of work...

44timspalding
Jun 25, 2015, 3:31pm Top

Not a bad idea. Not sure if it'll fit, though. Kristi?

45kristilabrie
Jun 25, 2015, 4:06pm Top

>43 tharos: and >44 timspalding: my inclination is that ISBNs won't fit, I tested up to 1,000,000, but unfortunately I won't be able to test them out until I get back from the Caribbean (yeah, bummer). I can test this out when I get back! Let me know.

46timspalding
Jun 25, 2015, 4:14pm Top

Yeah, ISBNs are at least 10 digits. We also considered having the the LibraryThing "book id" be the barcode, but it's past 100 million now.

47StJosephIssaquah
Jun 25, 2015, 7:14pm Top

Will we be able to put our books, which are already on LT, in a specific order (of our choosing) before assigning barcodes? Will we be able to assign the numbers in batches?

The reason I ask is that it will be much easier to put the barcode labels on 1000's of books if the barcode numbers are assigned in "shelf order".

48lorannen
Jun 26, 2015, 2:00pm Top

>47 StJosephIssaquah: As of right now, yes and no.

Barcodes are currently assigned in the order your books were added to your library. That's the order in which automatically added barcodes work. That's the "no" part.

The "yes" part is that you can manually edit/input any of your barcodes, just like you would any other field—by double-clicking on it in Your Books to edit. However, I know this is tedious.

49StJosephIssaquah
Jun 27, 2015, 10:34am Top

No problem. We'll just print all the labels and then find the correct label for the next book on the shelf. These barcode labels are a wonderful addition to LT that can be used as accession numbers to end confusion with duplicate copies.

50timspalding
Jun 27, 2015, 11:16am Top

We could add it. I wonder what sorts people would want besides that?

51al.vick
Jun 27, 2015, 1:01pm Top

Just a thought:

Can the barcodes print the call numbers that people/libraries might have used in the "lending" feature? They could print LCC, Dewey or whatever other system has been used.

52MarthaJeanne
Jun 27, 2015, 2:26pm Top

>51 al.vick: The bar codes I have seen have been just numbers.

53kristilabrie
Jul 15, 2015, 9:58am Top

>45 kristilabrie: I just tested out ISBNs on our printed barcodes, and they are a no go unfortunately. The barcodes will fit on the label if you size the font properly, but the CueCat can't read it once it actually fits (font size 6 or 7, depending on whether it's a 13-digit or 10-digit ISBN). The smallest I've been able to get the CueCat to read is font size 8.

54Keeline
Jul 20, 2015, 3:32pm Top

Is this an issue of print resolution? (e.g. laser vs. ink jet; 600 vs 300 dpi). On occasion I've seen some pretty fine barcodes. I don't recall if the CueCat could handle them.

James

55kristilabrie
Jul 28, 2015, 1:50pm Top

We've got both inkjet and laser printers, not an issue of resolution, I don't think.

56TrinityLuthAthens
Aug 20, 2015, 1:50pm Top

We are in the process of entering our church's music collection into LT and will soon be working on the main holdings.

Our problem is saving barcodes. If we enter the barcode manually on the edit page and click on SAVE at either top or bottom, it sometimes doesnt get saved, even allowing for a lag of the server.

If we enter the barcode on the main book list page, it does get saved.

An autofilled barcode doesnt seem to get saved, either.

57lorannen
Aug 20, 2015, 2:35pm Top

>56 TrinityLuthAthens: Sorry to hear you're having trouble. I'm not sure what you mean by an autofilled barcode not getting saved. You mean when you select the "next available barcode" option, when editing from Your Books? If you wouldn't mind emailing me (loranne@librarything.com) with a few details, like browser and operating system combination you're using, I'll take a look and see if I can sort out what's going on.

For the record, I just did a bunch of manual adding of barcodes to my own books, and didn't have any problems with them saving.

58TrinityLuthAthens
Edited: Aug 21, 2015, 8:33am Top

Hello and thank you for the response.

Yes, when we see the Next Available Barcode on the page where we are manuallly entering other info on the music title, then press SAVE, then go to the complete list of books with barcode as one of the settings, the barcode is not there, even after reloading.

Our work around was to enter the barcode over the autofilled number, press save, then do it again and press save. The double saving seems to make it "stick."

When you were doing manual adding, did you enter and save a title first, then add barcode, or do it all at once.

I will be very glad to send you the system details that you are interested in...next time we are working in the music library, which will probably be next week. I will also ask my co-worker on this if she has any other details to send.

Judy Russell (LT member judyrus) for TrinityLuthAthens

59lorannen
Aug 21, 2015, 3:09pm Top

>58 TrinityLuthAthens: Thanks for the update, Judy. I just sent you and Janet an email. In answer to your question, I was only entering barcodes, from the Your Books page. The books were already in my library.

60judyrus
Sep 3, 2015, 11:56am Top

We are planning our church's Flash Mob day for Saturday Oct 17 and already have a good many books in our catalogue: trinityluthathens

What can I tell my participants about how Librarything is secure from online disasters? In other words, what can you share with me (and I with them) about your safeguards?

Searched the wiki and saw some questions about this, but couldn't follow a trail to an answer.

Thank you.
judyrus and trinityluthathens

Watkinsville, Georgia, USA

61anglemark
Sep 3, 2015, 1:10pm Top

Download a copy of your catalog with regular intervals and you should be fine.

62lorax
Sep 3, 2015, 1:28pm Top

I will add that I have been a member of LT very nearly since the beginning (their 10th anniversary "observed" celebration is one day before my 10th Thingaversary; I joined when LT was just over two weeks old), and I have never suffered any data loss. The worst "disaster" was LT being unavailable for a couple days, and there hasn't been an outage that long for years.

Of course, that doesn't mean it's impossible for a worse disaster to happen tomorrow; Tim could be hit by a bus, or the data center could burn to the ground. Any site is vulnerable once your "disasters" start getting disastrous enough (a large-scale EMP due to a massive solar flare could seriously inconvenience even Google). Back up your catalog regularly; if you're paranoid, save a copy at a physically distinct location.

63judyrus
Sep 3, 2015, 3:58pm Top

Thanks for the good advice as to procedure for backup. I download each day. Has anyone done the experiment to restore a file?

64judyrus
Sep 3, 2015, 4:02pm Top

Thanks for the input. I plan on downloading regularly to my PC which is Carbonite protected.

65lorax
Sep 3, 2015, 4:38pm Top

Unless you plan to make significant changes to your catalog every day, that's complete overkill. I download my catalog monthly.

And again, I reiterate because you were apparently unconvinced, LT has not suffered significant data loss. You're acting like the entire database gets wiped on a regular basis, which is flatly untrue.

66judyrus
Sep 3, 2015, 4:45pm Top

I said "regularly," not "daily." After we finish the flash day, I doubt that books will be added more than once a month. The school and church admins will be in charge of that.

And certainly I am not unconvinced that there are protections against data loss, but I just don't find a statement concerning this.

For me, I wouldn't care as much. But I am asking volunteers to spend their time on this and I imagine that the question might come up in our training session.

67jjwilson61
Sep 3, 2015, 5:06pm Top

>66 judyrus: In 63 you did say that you download each day. I think that's what lorax was responding to.

68judyrus
Sep 3, 2015, 5:36pm Top

ah yes....everyday while we are working on inputting books...to me that doesn't seem too much. After everything is finished we can go to backing up after new entries.

69lorannen
Sep 3, 2015, 6:16pm Top

>66 judyrus: Backing up your catalog (exporting) on a regular basis is a good idea, and I'd say the frequency of said backup should probably be determined by how much/often your catalog will see changes or new additions. I used to do mine once a month, but I'll admit to having let it lapse, partly because I'm busy, and partly because I trust LT's data recovery abilities.

LT is very stable. Data security and stability are priorities for us, and we have multiple iterations of all member data backed up across a few different servers (some of which are in different locations). So, in the off chance one server on which LT relies were to experience a catastrophic event, odds are very good that all our (and your) data would remain intact.

70judyrus
Sep 4, 2015, 6:55am Top

Thank you! That's the exact info that I wanted to have to give our volunteers. for the Trinity Lutheran Library.

I would not want to ask them to donate their many hours of work without being able to assure them of your data security procedures.

judyrus and trinityluthathens

71GraftonLibrary
Sep 14, 2015, 8:29pm Top

So, I'm fairly new at this barcode stuff and I have a couple questions. Do we get the label sheets and print the barcodes with our own printer with info from LT? And how do we get a barcode tab under "your books" ? Is there an on-line tutorial for this process? We are a pretty small library with currently about 6000 items, but we'd want to get at least 10,000 barcodes for our continued growth.

72lorannen
Sep 14, 2015, 8:42pm Top

>71 GraftonLibrary: Welcome to LibraryThing! Physical barcode labels can be purchased from LibraryThing at our store. These are barcodes we've printed for you—there's no way to print them on your own printer. Barcodes come in sequential batches of 500, and you can order multiple batches at once, and even pick the barcode number range you need (i.e. Barcodes 1-500, 501-1000, etc.).

To see your barcodes in your catalog (Your Books page), you'll need to add the field to your display settings. Head over to the settings page (hint: you can also reach this from the "Settings" button at the top of the Your Books page). Drag and drop the "Barcode" field onto the Display Style of your choice. "Barcode" can be found under the "Physical" category on the right-hand side of that page. Be sure to click "Save changes" at the bottom of the page when you're done.

I hope this information helps! Feel free to post again or email us (info@librarything.com) if you have any further questions.

73GraftonLibrary
Sep 14, 2015, 9:01pm Top

Awesome! Done, thanks.

74AngelaG86
Sep 15, 2015, 5:03pm Top

Ok, I bought the barcodes and cuecat from the LT store. When I scan a barcode in my library, it gives me .C3nZC3nZC3n2CNz2E3f1DxnY.ahb6.C3nZDxS. But when I scan it in the search function to double check that it saved properly, it converts to 00068 and my library tells me "no books found". Did I skip a step?

75jjwilson61
Sep 15, 2015, 5:15pm Top

The search function knows how to convert the encoded output of the cuecat to it's real value. What does "when I scan a barcode in my library" mean?

You may need to declaw the cuecat by opening it up and snipping a wire to get it to stop encoding the output. If you need to there are directions around here somewhere.

76AngelaG86
Sep 15, 2015, 7:20pm Top

When I double-click on Barcode in my library, scan and save a barcode, I get the long code I posted in my previous message. It doesn't convert to 00068 (the number used in this particular example). But when I search my library by scanning a barcode, it does convert and then it doesn't find the book because when I saved the book data it was in the long code format.

I got around it by just typing the barcode numbers as I inventory books, but I was wondering if I did something wrong.

77jjwilson61
Edited: Sep 15, 2015, 7:43pm Top

I think perhaps the function that saves a barcode should decode the cuecat output. You could try entering that as a bug in http://www.librarything.com/groups/bugcollectors and see if you could get any developers to bite.

ETA: I don't own a cuecat so I'm just reporting what I've heard. Maybe you should be doing something differently but I don't know what that could be.

78kristilabrie
Sep 21, 2015, 4:19pm Top

>74 AngelaG86: Ah, yes. When we added the Barcode field to Your Books, we didn't make it so that you could scan and enter one of our printed barcodes while editing the field and using the CueCat (i.e., we didn't make it so that the CueCat code was translated for editing the Barcode field). I'm asking our developers if this is something we can/should do.

If you go to your Barcode Settings page, there's a way to assign barcodes to all of your books automatically and then apply the matching printed barcode label to each book. Otherwise, you can just apply the label to your book and enter the Barcode number in the field manually (by clicking to edit it in Your Books), as you're currently doing.

If you have any questions about this or need any help, please email me at kristi@librarything.com, or info@librarything.com!

79AngelaG86
Sep 21, 2015, 5:23pm Top

Thanks Kristi! I've just been adding barcode numbers manually (adding the stickers to books as I pull them out of boxes), and it's working great.

80ColumbusCatholic
Mar 3, 2016, 2:44pm Top

Have you done any work on being able to sort the barcode assignment by shelf order yet? That will save a lot of time as I am getting ready to add 1800 barcodes to our library as soon as they arrive... (If not, we'll make it work! Keep up the good work!!!) --Rob

81SpiritofIndia
Mar 13, 2016, 12:14am Top

Kristi, We are setting up a new library in Sydney, Australia. This site is perfect for what we need. Appreciate your work

Couple of questions
Looks like we can order the barcode labels from some website provided earlier in the blog
if we have multiple copies of the same collection, how can we get the barcodes.
Can you please recommend some scanners which are compatable with software.
Where can I define Patrons and manage the lending
Regards
Sandeep- Spirit of India

82kristilabrie
Mar 18, 2016, 10:45am Top

>80 ColumbusCatholic: Not sure of your use case here. Our barcodes in our Store are auto-incrementing in batches of 500 (1-500, 501-1,000, etc.), and you can assign them however you need (according to their shelf order, etc). Let me know if I'm not understanding you correctly, though!

>81 SpiritofIndia: I'm going to message your profile!

83lindamathews
Mar 9, 2017, 9:35pm Top

Idk who else would be but I certainly am!

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