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Tagging Books-In-Books

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Sep 16, 2006, 9:50 am

What does everyone use to tag this concept? I've used "books", "books - nonexistent", "books about books"... I've got some cleaning up to do. Anyone have a suggestion for a tag we can all use (in addition to our own) to tag these?

Sep 16, 2006, 9:56 am

I'm not sure what you mean by "books-in-books". The tag "books-nonexistent" suggests a book about an invented book, such as Calvino's If on a winter's night a traveler, but "books about books" means to me bibliographies, books arts books and that sort of thing. Everything in my library could be tagged "books"; I don't catalogue my CDs or DVDs here.

Sep 16, 2006, 10:11 am

I mean stories or novels about books, some of which are invented (Borges, Calvino, etc), some are non fiction bibliographies, like you mentioned. But some are fictional works about real books.

You are very witty.

Sep 17, 2006, 3:25 pm

Princemuchao, I use the tag "books on books" as a catch-all for these topics: bibliographies, books about bookselling, book history or forgeries, memoirs/autobiographies/biographies of "book people," and also novels/stories which prominently feature books (although I also use the tag "bibliomystery" for specifically fictional mysteries). Others, of course, will use different tags for their own specific purposes.

Sep 20, 2006, 9:32 am

I use 3 tags: "Bibliography" for any book that contains lists of other books; "Bibliophilia" for books about the collecting of, or love of books; and "Books in Books" for novels featuring Books.

Edited: Sep 20, 2006, 12:19 pm

Killeymoon - I like that system. maybe with the addition of "fictional book" or something for Jorge Luis Borges and Stanislaw Lem stories about nonexistent works. "Fictional Books" is how wikipedia decided to refer to them, so that is probably the direction to go.

Oct 2, 2006, 3:37 am

I pretty much tag something with "books" when the story focuses around books. I never thought to get more specific, such as "books-fictional", "books-collecting", or any other possible tags.

For me, I understand that if I tag it "books" then there is some degree of bibliophilia to the book that has been tagged. For instance, I tagged The Thirteenth Tale and The Club Dumas with Books. The first one is about a woman who works in a bookstore, whose father is a rare/antique book dealer, and who is dictating the biography of an author. The latter of those is about a guy who works for others in acquiring the books of value they seek, and more specifically the plot revolves around 2 main books, one fictional one real.

And yet, the same tag is enough for both for me.

Nov 4, 2007, 12:05 pm

Mine is Booky Books(of Booksellers,Librarians,Bibliphiles and the like in Fiction)
Ok,I know its unwieldy,but I like it.

Feb 4, 2008, 10:53 pm

Killeymoon, thanks for getting me here!

I just use books and reading for all of the ones I want to keep together. I'll probably change it one day because it's not always completely accurate (if librarians are the main character, if a librarian wrote it, etc.) but it works for now.

Feb 5, 2008, 1:59 pm

My favorite books in books are from the Nero Wolfe mysteries by Rex Stout. In The Doorbell Rang Wolfe was reading The Palace Guard by Dan Rather. Both books deal with the FBI. In another (I will try to look up the title and edit this later) Wolfe is reading Under-cover: My four years in the Nazi underworld by John Roy Carlson. Both books featured Nazi's in the USA.

Did Stout do this in other books that I have not noticed yet?

Edited: Feb 5, 2008, 4:15 pm

If a book contains two or more "books" it receives a one to three leter tag. Then the "books" are added to mylibrary with the same tag as the real book. An additional tag of "z" indicates to me that it is not a stand-alone book.

The same holds true for a slip-case and the books that belong inside. The case may or may not have an ISBN but it also gets a "z" as it is not a book, IMO. If it is entered in mylibrary and is not a book, it gets a "z" tag.

When I need/want a book count I can search on "z" and subtact that from the total entries in mylibrary.

With an author search, an entry with a "z" will also have the other tag and a click on that tag will bring up the real book/s and all the other entries within.

I started with "(not-a-book)" with the title. After a couple dozen that got old. Also didn't know what a search would do with that, so I removed it and used a z tag.

disclaimer added: Since this is Beta this may not work forever, or even now. :-)

Edited: Aug 15, 2008, 9:57 pm

I use Books on Books but I limit it to book binding, book collecting ,indexes, bibliographies, reading and the history of books, printing and libraries. While I enjoy fiction that has a "book" theme I have not thought to include that in my listings. Seems I'm the minority here ;-)

Aug 15, 2008, 10:10 pm

I use "books about books" to tag fictional stories about books (real or made up), fiction about book people and nonfiction which deals with books in any real capacity (crit., book arts, bibliographies, and so forth).

Aug 16, 2008, 12:04 am

I use 'fiction featuring books', 'memoir featuring books', and 'non-fiction featuring books'. I use some of the others like bibliomystery and books in books also. Memoirs are non-fiction (well, most of them) but I like that tag to explain an individual's relationship with book's versus other non-fiction books about books that can cover many people.

Aug 26, 2008, 2:55 pm

I use "Books in Books" for works of fiction that have books in them, and I use "Books on Books" for non-fiction books that are about books. It works for me.

Mar 25, 2009, 7:39 pm

If I put the effort into tagging I'd use "Meta-fiction"

From Wikipedia - 'Metafiction is a type of fiction that self-consciously addresses the devices of fiction. It is the literary term describing fictional writing that self-consciously and systematically draws attention to its status as an artifact in posing questions about the relationship between fiction and reality...metafiction does not let the reader forget he or she is reading a fictional work."