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1JGL53
Top Thirteen Ways Der Fuehrer and The Donald are DIFFERENT:
13. Hitler hated and blamed the entire world’s evil on the Jews. Trump is perfectly friendly with Jews - he just thinks all Gentiles - excepting those that support him - are scum.
12. Hitler was in the Nazi party in the first half of twentieth century Germany. Trump is in the republican party (for now) in the first half of twenty-first century America.
11. Hitler was a vegetarian who believed in astrology. Trump? - no, pretty unlikely.
10. Hitler only spoke German, and with an Austrian accent. Trump only speaks English, but with a New York accent.
9. Excepting as prelude to his suicide Hitler never married - and hated all foreigners. In contrast, Trump marries ONLY foreigners.
8. Hitler’s symbol was the broken cross - the swastika. Trump’s symbol is a giant T - a type of cross called a tau. (Google “tau cross”)
7. At his most popular Hitler got over 40 per cent of the popular vote. Trump has yet to do this well in his own party.
6. Hitler hated the physically and mentally handicapped and had many of them murdered along with the Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies (Romany), communists, etc. In contrast, Trump just thinks the handicapped are a joke and mock-worthy. Killing them? - well, that wouldn’t be funny.
5. Hitler was known for his tiny mustache and a modest single lock of hair hanging down one side of his forehead. Trump is clean-shaven, has orange hair and a coiffure that basically defies description.
4. Hitler was actually one-fourth Jewish. That’s called irony. Trump is one-fourth Orangutan. That explains the orange hair.
3. Hitler’s favorite slogan translated to “Germany Over All Others!” Trump’s big slogan? - a measly “Let’s Make America Great Again!”
2. Hitler, technically, was a Roman Catholic - though not a very good one. Trump is (or claims to be) Presbyterian.
1. “Adolph Hitler“ - twelve letters. “Donald Trump”? - that is only eleven.
So, friends and neighbors, as any idiot can plainly see, the many people who are now comparing Donald Trump to Adolph Hitler are just wrong-headed low energy LOSERS who refuse to accept that, like the mythical youth Narcissus, Donald Trump is not only the most beautiful man - with the most beautiful orange comb over - but is also the Smartest, Most Successful, Richest, Hugest, Most Luxurious man alive - on the planet earth - EVER.
13. Hitler hated and blamed the entire world’s evil on the Jews. Trump is perfectly friendly with Jews - he just thinks all Gentiles - excepting those that support him - are scum.
12. Hitler was in the Nazi party in the first half of twentieth century Germany. Trump is in the republican party (for now) in the first half of twenty-first century America.
11. Hitler was a vegetarian who believed in astrology. Trump? - no, pretty unlikely.
10. Hitler only spoke German, and with an Austrian accent. Trump only speaks English, but with a New York accent.
9. Excepting as prelude to his suicide Hitler never married - and hated all foreigners. In contrast, Trump marries ONLY foreigners.
8. Hitler’s symbol was the broken cross - the swastika. Trump’s symbol is a giant T - a type of cross called a tau. (Google “tau cross”)
7. At his most popular Hitler got over 40 per cent of the popular vote. Trump has yet to do this well in his own party.
6. Hitler hated the physically and mentally handicapped and had many of them murdered along with the Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies (Romany), communists, etc. In contrast, Trump just thinks the handicapped are a joke and mock-worthy. Killing them? - well, that wouldn’t be funny.
5. Hitler was known for his tiny mustache and a modest single lock of hair hanging down one side of his forehead. Trump is clean-shaven, has orange hair and a coiffure that basically defies description.
4. Hitler was actually one-fourth Jewish. That’s called irony. Trump is one-fourth Orangutan. That explains the orange hair.
3. Hitler’s favorite slogan translated to “Germany Over All Others!” Trump’s big slogan? - a measly “Let’s Make America Great Again!”
2. Hitler, technically, was a Roman Catholic - though not a very good one. Trump is (or claims to be) Presbyterian.
1. “Adolph Hitler“ - twelve letters. “Donald Trump”? - that is only eleven.
So, friends and neighbors, as any idiot can plainly see, the many people who are now comparing Donald Trump to Adolph Hitler are just wrong-headed low energy LOSERS who refuse to accept that, like the mythical youth Narcissus, Donald Trump is not only the most beautiful man - with the most beautiful orange comb over - but is also the Smartest, Most Successful, Richest, Hugest, Most Luxurious man alive - on the planet earth - EVER.
2lriley
On the question of Hitler's suicide--FWIW there's a dispute between the Russian intelligence services and some American forensics people who the Russians allowed to do a DNA test on the skull purported by the Russians to be Hitler's very own. The American forensics people who did the tests claim that the skull is of a woman in her 30's--possibly even Eva Braun's. The Russians insist it's all Hitler. I'm not going to tell you who to believe (American? Russian?--make up your own mind) but the former CIA analyst Robert Baer (a main inspiration for the movie--Syriana) is currently doing something of a reality show on the History Channel called 'Hunting Hitler' that has Hitler flying out of the Templehof airport (flown out possibly by one Hanna Reitsch) a week before it fell to the Russians (and about a week and a half before Admiral Doenitz surrendered all German forces) and hiding out in a Galician castle as a guest of the Spanish Dictator Francisco Franco--who after all would have never gotten to be dictator if it weren't for his old pal Adolph. The gist seems to be that Hitler will travel from there by submarine first to the Canary Islands and then to his new home in Argentina--the show just hasn't quite got there yet. Baer is co-accompanied on that show by an American special forces soldier, a British investigative journalist, the former head of the US Marshall's service and a renowned Nazi hunter amongst various and sundry.
3JGL53
> 2
The "Hitler escaped" theory seems rather implausible to me. Too many people would have had to be in on it or know personally about it and then kept their many mouths shut pretty much to this day.
However, in theory, I will admit that agnostic epistemology is impenetrable by either logic or observed facts so, sure, Hitler COULD have escaped. In fact, he conceivably could still be living in a remote area of Argentina, kept alive at 126 years old by daily injections of extract of goat testicle. Nevertheless, I will remain highly skeptical until and if some fairly irrefutable evidence comes forth at some future date, with forensic scientists worldwide coming to overwhelming consensus on the claim. In a nutshell the problem is burden of proof for those making a positive claim, with doubters having no burden to prove a universal negative.
Getting back to The Donald - I find it highly unlikely he will one day be POTUS. I might even be willing to put money where my mouth is. But it COULD happen. I mean, ISIS could nuke Wash., D.C. in the near future. That might move the polls in some weird ways. Never say never, huh?
The "Hitler escaped" theory seems rather implausible to me. Too many people would have had to be in on it or know personally about it and then kept their many mouths shut pretty much to this day.
However, in theory, I will admit that agnostic epistemology is impenetrable by either logic or observed facts so, sure, Hitler COULD have escaped. In fact, he conceivably could still be living in a remote area of Argentina, kept alive at 126 years old by daily injections of extract of goat testicle. Nevertheless, I will remain highly skeptical until and if some fairly irrefutable evidence comes forth at some future date, with forensic scientists worldwide coming to overwhelming consensus on the claim. In a nutshell the problem is burden of proof for those making a positive claim, with doubters having no burden to prove a universal negative.
Getting back to The Donald - I find it highly unlikely he will one day be POTUS. I might even be willing to put money where my mouth is. But it COULD happen. I mean, ISIS could nuke Wash., D.C. in the near future. That might move the polls in some weird ways. Never say never, huh?
4lriley
Hitler had some fairly serious health issues back in 1945---and he'd be 129 years old today. So unless he's taking whatever Dick Cheney takes (personally it wouldn't surprise me that in Cheney's case that vampires turn out to be for real)---one can only assume if he died out in the wilds of Argentina more than less a free man---then he also died in obscurity. I failed to mention above that in 2014 the US govt. declassified FBI files pertaining to this subject and apparently there were quite a lot of them purporting that Hitler had escaped Berlin and quite a number of these unclassified documents sighted him in Spain and in Argentina among German communities there. Argentina as it happens is a polyglot multicultural country not all that unlike the United States or Canada. In the 19th century it was almost as much of a destination for German, Swiss, Italian and Eastern European immigrants as our country and Canada were. There is even a English language newspaper that comes out every day in Buenos Aires--or there was until recently. German communities have existed there for a long time. I remember reading a biography once on the very famous German poop eating philosopher Nietzsche whose sister and spouse migrated to one of them for a short period of time---that would have been in the 1870's(?). Anyway some of these communities are not mixed.
To me the question of these DNA tests is really quite astonishing. A woman in her thirties? Why would these forensic people say that if it weren't true?--and then apparently after Doenitz surrendered and recalled the German submarine fleet--46 u-boats went missing for a while. At least one surrendered to the Argentine Navy some three months after the surrender in Buenos Aires and was later used as a target vessel by US Naval warships.
As for Trump---I can see several different scenarios including his splitting the republican party in two. He is not the guy that the establishment of that party wants at all. He has almost no support from the leadership of that party which calls into question his ability to accomplish anything at all were he to be elected--that's even with your doomsday ISIS scenario. What he has in his favor are millions of rank and file republican voters who will seriously be pissed if the republicans do anything underhanded to find another nominee. The Republican party is living through a waking nightmare and the demon is real. My point of view--Hilary is not really a likable democratic candidate but she'd almost have to be found out to be running a child pornography ring to lose the coming election.
To me the question of these DNA tests is really quite astonishing. A woman in her thirties? Why would these forensic people say that if it weren't true?--and then apparently after Doenitz surrendered and recalled the German submarine fleet--46 u-boats went missing for a while. At least one surrendered to the Argentine Navy some three months after the surrender in Buenos Aires and was later used as a target vessel by US Naval warships.
As for Trump---I can see several different scenarios including his splitting the republican party in two. He is not the guy that the establishment of that party wants at all. He has almost no support from the leadership of that party which calls into question his ability to accomplish anything at all were he to be elected--that's even with your doomsday ISIS scenario. What he has in his favor are millions of rank and file republican voters who will seriously be pissed if the republicans do anything underhanded to find another nominee. The Republican party is living through a waking nightmare and the demon is real. My point of view--Hilary is not really a likable democratic candidate but she'd almost have to be found out to be running a child pornography ring to lose the coming election.
5Kuiperdolin
Hitler was an illegal immigrant
6justifiedsinner
Trump's is of German heritage. The original family name was Drump. So voting for the Donald is equivalent to taking a Drump.
7lriley
It would seem to me that the decision makers/deciders of the Republican Party have a decision to make:
1. Get behind Trump thus marginalizing their own influence. Accepting second bananahood in terms of opinions, behind the scenes machinations etc. to a blowhard who is not all very interested in your script--more like ready to redefine what things you and your party stand for. He's going to rewrite all your lines for you.
2. Fuck over the Donald and split your party in two and maybe never be able to put it back together again.
It's like a choice between accepting castration or throwing yourself on the mercy of a judge who might give you 20 to life or might give you the death penalty.
1. Get behind Trump thus marginalizing their own influence. Accepting second bananahood in terms of opinions, behind the scenes machinations etc. to a blowhard who is not all very interested in your script--more like ready to redefine what things you and your party stand for. He's going to rewrite all your lines for you.
2. Fuck over the Donald and split your party in two and maybe never be able to put it back together again.
It's like a choice between accepting castration or throwing yourself on the mercy of a judge who might give you 20 to life or might give you the death penalty.
8JGL53
> 4
On Trump, yes I agree. The latest polls show that 57 per cent of independents disagree with Trump on the banning of all muslim immigration and only a minority, 42 per cent, of republicans agree with him. So with statements like the Mexicans are all rapists and criminals and John McCain is a loser and not a hero for being a POW, and with some huge majority of women under 40 hating his misogynistic guts, it looks really bad for the Donald being elected President.
Most - some majority - of republican leaders think his nomination would not only guarantee Hillary being elected and the loss of the Senate but that even the republican gerrymandered House would be put in severe jeopardy.
In any case until this year I never watched Trump's show or read his book or even noticed him as being anything but a total buffoon and an evil clown - regarding the Obama "fake" birth certificate hilarity - but I could not be more entertained by the politics of the modern republican party and their clear frontrunner for the republican nomination.
Trump has finally come up with a reality show that I find interesting and actually gives me some hope for the future of the U.S.A. - i.e., after Trump has finished completely imploding the republican party maybe our part of North America can be made, if not great again, then a god damn hell of a lot better than at present. I have no hard-on for the Democrats - who many times reveal themselves as impotent wussies - but with them in charge of the Presidency, the Senate and the House maybe the U.S.A. "will not merely endure: it will prevail" (paraphrase of a quote by a famous Mississippian).
On Trump, yes I agree. The latest polls show that 57 per cent of independents disagree with Trump on the banning of all muslim immigration and only a minority, 42 per cent, of republicans agree with him. So with statements like the Mexicans are all rapists and criminals and John McCain is a loser and not a hero for being a POW, and with some huge majority of women under 40 hating his misogynistic guts, it looks really bad for the Donald being elected President.
Most - some majority - of republican leaders think his nomination would not only guarantee Hillary being elected and the loss of the Senate but that even the republican gerrymandered House would be put in severe jeopardy.
In any case until this year I never watched Trump's show or read his book or even noticed him as being anything but a total buffoon and an evil clown - regarding the Obama "fake" birth certificate hilarity - but I could not be more entertained by the politics of the modern republican party and their clear frontrunner for the republican nomination.
Trump has finally come up with a reality show that I find interesting and actually gives me some hope for the future of the U.S.A. - i.e., after Trump has finished completely imploding the republican party maybe our part of North America can be made, if not great again, then a god damn hell of a lot better than at present. I have no hard-on for the Democrats - who many times reveal themselves as impotent wussies - but with them in charge of the Presidency, the Senate and the House maybe the U.S.A. "will not merely endure: it will prevail" (paraphrase of a quote by a famous Mississippian).
10lriley
#8--FWIW I'm not sure that the Trump candidacy would cause that great a backlash that the Republicans would lose the House in the next election. The Democrats have a long way to go there to get even to the 50/50 mark. FWIW (again) I haven't spent a great deal of time---actually no time at all as of yet tracking congressional or Senate prospects. I feel almost at this point in my life a bit removed from the whole process and while Trump has as you say brought an entertainment factor to this process--and FWIW (yet again) I've likened him to people I talk to to a cross between PT Barnum and WC Fields---I can only take watching this shitshow in small doses. My Trump happy mother (forgive her--she's 93 and before my dad died she always looked to him for guidance for who to pull the lever for) tells me all about him all the time---and the entire thing as far as I'm concerned is absolutely absurd. It's as if he were to be elected we'd be back in the 50's and all that age would drop off of her and all her dead friends would return to the land of the still living. A year and a half of campaigning before an election is really too fucking much.
11JGL53
> 10
Agreed. I know how the odds are stacked against the democrats in the house - I just quoted some republican leader who opined that even the house might be in jeopardy with a Trump nomination. Yeah, no doubt he is wrong. As to the Senate, most pundits seem to think the democrats taking back control is almost a given if not just really, really likely, Trump or no Trump. (Yeah, I bid one no trump. lol.)
My parents were rabid republicans - after Goldwater and Reagan, of course - but they died a while back. They were pretty ornery racists and xenophobes but I can only guess, if still alive, they would not support Trump because 1. he is one of them there New York types and 2. he is not that overt in pretending to be a right wing christian.
In the meantime, I try to eat properly, take my vitamins and exercise regularly just to have a chance to live a couple more decades and get to enjoy the beneficent effect of the actuarial tablets on the electorate. It is one of the main things helping me to look forward to the future - otherwise I might have sunk into cynicism or existential ennui or something. Like Brother Jesse Jackson intones - "Keep Hope Alive!". lol.
Agreed. I know how the odds are stacked against the democrats in the house - I just quoted some republican leader who opined that even the house might be in jeopardy with a Trump nomination. Yeah, no doubt he is wrong. As to the Senate, most pundits seem to think the democrats taking back control is almost a given if not just really, really likely, Trump or no Trump. (Yeah, I bid one no trump. lol.)
My parents were rabid republicans - after Goldwater and Reagan, of course - but they died a while back. They were pretty ornery racists and xenophobes but I can only guess, if still alive, they would not support Trump because 1. he is one of them there New York types and 2. he is not that overt in pretending to be a right wing christian.
In the meantime, I try to eat properly, take my vitamins and exercise regularly just to have a chance to live a couple more decades and get to enjoy the beneficent effect of the actuarial tablets on the electorate. It is one of the main things helping me to look forward to the future - otherwise I might have sunk into cynicism or existential ennui or something. Like Brother Jesse Jackson intones - "Keep Hope Alive!". lol.
12artturnerjr
>7 lriley:
1. Get behind Trump thus marginalizing their own influence. Accepting second bananahood in terms of opinions, behind the scenes machinations etc. to a blowhard who is not all very interested in your script--more like ready to redefine what things you and your party stand for. He's going to rewrite all your lines for you.
It'll never happen. Way too much hubris in the party leadership (the Donald's hubris is, of course, axiomatic - even his supporters acknowledge it).
2. Fuck over the Donald and split your party in two and maybe never be able to put it back together again.
Much more likely. That seems to be happening anyway - Trump is merely hastening the process.
>11 JGL53:
My parents were rabid republicans - after Goldwater and Reagan, of course - but they died a while back. They were pretty ornery racists and xenophobes but I can only guess, if still alive, they would not support Trump because 1. he is one of them there New York types and 2. he is not that overt in pretending to be a right wing christian.
My late father was a fairly staunch Republican and a pretty vile racist, but I can't see him supporting Trump. Not because of Trump's stomping grounds or his (apparent) religious affiliation, but because he (Trump) is a complete fucking asshole. Dad had his faults, but he had enough sense to spot one of those.
1. Get behind Trump thus marginalizing their own influence. Accepting second bananahood in terms of opinions, behind the scenes machinations etc. to a blowhard who is not all very interested in your script--more like ready to redefine what things you and your party stand for. He's going to rewrite all your lines for you.
It'll never happen. Way too much hubris in the party leadership (the Donald's hubris is, of course, axiomatic - even his supporters acknowledge it).
2. Fuck over the Donald and split your party in two and maybe never be able to put it back together again.
Much more likely. That seems to be happening anyway - Trump is merely hastening the process.
>11 JGL53:
My parents were rabid republicans - after Goldwater and Reagan, of course - but they died a while back. They were pretty ornery racists and xenophobes but I can only guess, if still alive, they would not support Trump because 1. he is one of them there New York types and 2. he is not that overt in pretending to be a right wing christian.
My late father was a fairly staunch Republican and a pretty vile racist, but I can't see him supporting Trump. Not because of Trump's stomping grounds or his (apparent) religious affiliation, but because he (Trump) is a complete fucking asshole. Dad had his faults, but he had enough sense to spot one of those.
13lriley
FWIW--Trump's remarks about Muslims and Mexicans are almost refreshing at least in the sense that he's telling you what he honestly thinks. You look at most republicans---even most of their POTUS candidates and IMO they keep what they're thinking on that very much hidden. Even so I would think most people understand that most republicans also want to build walls along the Mexican border and target certain groups of people they don't like flying on airplanes.
I don't always understand the consternation. Of the entire presidential field I think the only candidate that really gives a rat ass about the average man/woman on the street--whatever color, creed, religion or not is Sanders. The rest of them are pretty much elitists to their bone marrow.
I don't always understand the consternation. Of the entire presidential field I think the only candidate that really gives a rat ass about the average man/woman on the street--whatever color, creed, religion or not is Sanders. The rest of them are pretty much elitists to their bone marrow.
14artturnerjr
>13 lriley:
I don't always understand the consternation.
As the Charles Bukowski-esque character in the movie Barfly states, "He symbolizes everything that disgusts me." Donald Trump is the ugly American. Perhaps this betrays a lack of knowledge or imagination on my part, but I honestly cannot think of a single person that has been a viable candidate for prominent political office in my lifetime that I would less like to represent the United States - my country, my child's country, the country of most of my friends and loved ones - to the rest of the world than him. Even the doltish incompetence of a George W. Bush is preferable to him.
I don't always understand the consternation.
As the Charles Bukowski-esque character in the movie Barfly states, "He symbolizes everything that disgusts me." Donald Trump is the ugly American. Perhaps this betrays a lack of knowledge or imagination on my part, but I honestly cannot think of a single person that has been a viable candidate for prominent political office in my lifetime that I would less like to represent the United States - my country, my child's country, the country of most of my friends and loved ones - to the rest of the world than him. Even the doltish incompetence of a George W. Bush is preferable to him.
15Limelite
14. Some Muslims had a favorable view of Hitler (until L of Arabia came along). If The Washington Post poll is to be believed, Americans prefer Muslims to The Donald. That's gotta hurt.
Meanwhile, Repubs prepare for a brokered convention and stagger under Ben Carson'sannouncement threat that he may leave the Republican Party. They're about to get punched in the face with the reality of a Ted Cruz nominee. Talk about your racist birthers' heads spinning when they find out their favorite white boy is a native-born Canadian.
Trump supporters, not oddly enough, are non-college educated whites, more of whom are women, the same demographic that has experienced a rising death rate in the 45-64 age group while Black and Hispanic death rates in that age group fell. Half of his supporters have a HS education or less; they earn less than the average republican voter. Then what's the appeal to them of this self-declared uber-wealthy man?
It's because he isn't campaigning like he's a Republican, he's not spouting abstract Republican values about individual fiscal responsibility, or cutting social programs, or persecuting pregnant women who don't wish to carry to term. He's eschewed Republicanism and substituted Trumpism, which is all about shooting, deporting, and banning based on race and non-Christian religion.
Trumpism is simply distilled, purified, and concentrated Southern Strategy, the previously sub rosa political mainstay of the Dixiecrats who used to be registered Democrats ever since the Civil War (Lincoln=Republican=Great Satan) but who changed their coats and became Republicans with the advent of the American Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Trump's supporters have seen all the "others" get ahead while they have lost ground. But they don't realize it's because of the Republican Party's most conservative and Tea Party elements have devoted years to doing all they can to destroy the liberal agenda of FDR New Dealism that lifted their parents and grandparents out of poverty with programs like SS, the right to unionize, the GI Bill, TVA, public health laws protecting workers, food supplies, and housing. They've bought the lie that Government is Evil and needs to be drowned in the bathtub.
Oh, the irony that they see their savior in a multi (m)(b)illionaire who's never known anything but a life of have and have more when they've known nothing but have little and have even less because Republicans who've been financed and ordered around by individuals like Trump -- the Koch Brothers -- gutted all the institutions that gave them their leg up the socioeconomic ladder on the orders of their fabulously wealthy puppet masters.
I wonder what Trump's fate will be once his supporters' eye scales fall off, like the scales on the eyes of the Libyans did when they learned the truth about Gaddafi.
Meanwhile, Repubs prepare for a brokered convention and stagger under Ben Carson's
Trump supporters, not oddly enough, are non-college educated whites, more of whom are women, the same demographic that has experienced a rising death rate in the 45-64 age group while Black and Hispanic death rates in that age group fell. Half of his supporters have a HS education or less; they earn less than the average republican voter. Then what's the appeal to them of this self-declared uber-wealthy man?
It's because he isn't campaigning like he's a Republican, he's not spouting abstract Republican values about individual fiscal responsibility, or cutting social programs, or persecuting pregnant women who don't wish to carry to term. He's eschewed Republicanism and substituted Trumpism, which is all about shooting, deporting, and banning based on race and non-Christian religion.
Trumpism is simply distilled, purified, and concentrated Southern Strategy, the previously sub rosa political mainstay of the Dixiecrats who used to be registered Democrats ever since the Civil War (Lincoln=Republican=Great Satan) but who changed their coats and became Republicans with the advent of the American Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Trump's supporters have seen all the "others" get ahead while they have lost ground. But they don't realize it's because of the Republican Party's most conservative and Tea Party elements have devoted years to doing all they can to destroy the liberal agenda of FDR New Dealism that lifted their parents and grandparents out of poverty with programs like SS, the right to unionize, the GI Bill, TVA, public health laws protecting workers, food supplies, and housing. They've bought the lie that Government is Evil and needs to be drowned in the bathtub.
Oh, the irony that they see their savior in a multi (m)(b)illionaire who's never known anything but a life of have and have more when they've known nothing but have little and have even less because Republicans who've been financed and ordered around by individuals like Trump -- the Koch Brothers -- gutted all the institutions that gave them their leg up the socioeconomic ladder on the orders of their fabulously wealthy puppet masters.
I wonder what Trump's fate will be once his supporters' eye scales fall off, like the scales on the eyes of the Libyans did when they learned the truth about Gaddafi.
16cpg
>15 Limelite: "Some Muslims had a favorable view of Hitler (until L of Arabia came along)."
Are you sure you've got the chronology right there?
Are you sure you've got the chronology right there?
17Marissa_Doyle
I recently saw a photo of Trump giving a speech somewhere--his right arm was extended before him at an angle, and it looked amazingly like he was giving a Nazi salute. It would make an awesome Twitter meme...
18Limelite
>16 cpg:
The Brits were using Lawrence of Arabia to woo the Arabs away from Germany by aiding them in their struggle against Ottoman domination. The entire spy network in Cairo, both allied and Axis, battled each other to capture the interests of Arabs (and subvert their respective African colonies to their side). After WWII the picture in the Middle East and colonial Africa changed. The change tells who was successful.
I've read somewhere that Germany held off invading turkey because the Turks promised to up the aggressive suppression of Arabs in return. Germany's desire, of course, to lessen British influence among Arabs and strategic toe-holds in their region.
After WWII came the partition of the Middle east according to the will of the winners (Br. and Fr. who subsequently bowed out), resulting in the so-called "Peace to end all peace" in ref. to Palestine. Whoever called it that is still proven right to this day.
The Brits were using Lawrence of Arabia to woo the Arabs away from Germany by aiding them in their struggle against Ottoman domination. The entire spy network in Cairo, both allied and Axis, battled each other to capture the interests of Arabs (and subvert their respective African colonies to their side). After WWII the picture in the Middle East and colonial Africa changed. The change tells who was successful.
I've read somewhere that Germany held off invading turkey because the Turks promised to up the aggressive suppression of Arabs in return. Germany's desire, of course, to lessen British influence among Arabs and strategic toe-holds in their region.
After WWII came the partition of the Middle east according to the will of the winners (Br. and Fr. who subsequently bowed out), resulting in the so-called "Peace to end all peace" in ref. to Palestine. Whoever called it that is still proven right to this day.
20lriley
#14--That's a good movie. Mickey Rourke and Faye Dunaway--Frank Stallone. One day wandering the aisles of a bookstore I saw Bukowski's Post Office. Working for the Postal Service then I thought I wonder what this is about and immediately bought it. First line---'It began as a mistake.'---followed by--'I heard from the drunk down the hill that the Post Office would hire damn near anybody.' You cannot better than that for an opening. What's more--it was scabrously sometimes obscenely and expletively funny and true to experience. That started a love affair with Bukowski which went on for years.
22cpg
>18 Limelite: My point is that Muslims probably had no view at all of Hitler until he came to power in 1933, by which time L of Arabia was no longer in the Middle East. And warm relations between Hitler and certain Arabs continued well after L of Arabia's death in 1935. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
24sturlington
I'm sure you can find pictures of any public figure that are similar.
25JGL53
^
There are pictures on the internets of a strolling G. Bush Jr. holding hands with one of the Saudi leaders/princes - not to mention kissing him on the lips. I have never heard a teabagger denounce him for this gay Muslim action - not even once. Has Obama ever publically held hands with or kissed an Arab leader on the mouth? - Guess not, or Faux Noise would be running the pics 24/7.
There are also pics of most of the higher up republican politicos bowing to some foreign head of state, starting with Eisenhower and Nixon - but Faux and the teabaggers are only concerned with Obama doing so, and pretend like it is something entirely new.
There are pictures on the internets of a strolling G. Bush Jr. holding hands with one of the Saudi leaders/princes - not to mention kissing him on the lips. I have never heard a teabagger denounce him for this gay Muslim action - not even once. Has Obama ever publically held hands with or kissed an Arab leader on the mouth? - Guess not, or Faux Noise would be running the pics 24/7.
There are also pics of most of the higher up republican politicos bowing to some foreign head of state, starting with Eisenhower and Nixon - but Faux and the teabaggers are only concerned with Obama doing so, and pretend like it is something entirely new.
