Why I voted "no"? (Tag separation/combination) #9

Time for a new thread.

Magic and Love is probably about love and magic, but it also appears to be the series name.

Yet more:

Circle of magic #4 is in a different "Circle of Magic" series from Circle of Magic Series Book 4

Circle of Magic (2) with Circle of magic #2 and Circle of Magic 002 -- ditto

At least Circle of magic #3 is already "polluted" (along w/ the general series ones)

"England / Maps / History" is used for a book on the history of maps. "England - History - Maps" is used for an atlas.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/England+%252F+Maps+%252F+History#combine

There are plenty of other things COUN could be an abreviation of.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/COUN

Fiction - Literary Criticism is being used on lit crit about fiction, whereas literary criticism--fiction, following the form of most of the "some subject--fiction" tags, is used on a work of fiction that is about lit crit.

I would interpret auto bio memoir as referring to autobiographical memoirs rather than autobiographies, biographies and memoirs. And indeed that is what it is used on.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/auto+bio+memoir

I voted against combining Literatura Español with Spanish literature. Given that I would translate Spanish literature as literatura española and the fact that the first tag includes authors like Wharton, Poe, Hawthorne, Stephenie Meyer, etc., I think they're just using it for any literature in/translated to Spanish.

I voted against 11 c with 11th century since some of it is just general children's books. One of the taggers is using it as some sort of numbering scheme and also has books tagged as "11 A" and "11 B".

Littérature française. XXe means "20th (century) French literature", not Fiction (20th century literature.

Yes, I know that everything on http://www.librarything.com/tag/Hitchins refers to Christopher Hitchens, but there are several authors really named Hitchins.

All three of the proposals at http://www.librarything.com/tag/Merlin+%231 are with works that are in other Arthurian or semi-Arthurian series by different authors. Maybe there is some value in combining all "first in a series about Merlin" that I'm dismissing?

Same here: http://www.librarything.com/tag/%28+Merlin%23+4%29 and http://www.librarything.com/tag/%28Merlin+%23+3%29

The sole current user of the tag doesn't use it that way, but given that the Newton is the SI measurement unit of force (and weight), combining Newton Mass. with Newton MA really doesn't seem a good idea to me.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Newton+Mass.

Edit: Also, Saturnus is the name of a band, and the tag is used to refer to said band as well as the planet.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/saturnus

One person uses the tag "music-vocal*". This person also uses the tag "music-vocal" and "music-vocal" with other signs before and after. Clearly, he's making a distinction.

Therefore, I vote no on combining "music-vocal*" with "vocal music": http://www.librarything.com/tag/music-vocal%2A#combine

A-B is usually not combined with B-A, right?

>15 JerryMmm:

Agreed. Link?

I think JerryMmm meant word1-word2 with word2-word1? In those case, my answer would be it depends. Sometimes there's not much ambiguity ... they just reflect differences in how people organize their tags (mushrooms-poisonous and poisonous-mushrooms are probably the same in meaning, just with the first tagger organizing things by types of mushrooms, and the second tagger using hyphens instead of spaces), but sometimes the order is quite meaningful. I recall a proposal once of Lupo Alberto (a cartoon wolf) with Alberto Lupo (an actor). (Granted, some of those taggers could be organizing their names as Last First.)

ETA: re: my first sentence, it occurred to me that perhaps you knew that already and were just wondering if JerryMmm had a specific example in mind. Sorry!

Music ∧ Music Theory is used for music and for books about music that don't seem to be about theory, so I think the tag means "Music or Music Theory". I've voted against combining the tag with music theory.

just responding to >14 lilithcat:

Travel is both a verb and a noun, with the verb being the more common one.
путешествие is apparently a noun only

https://www.librarything.com/tag/travel

ETA:
Every dictionary saying руководство can be used for leadership or guidance whereas I can't find any sources that say Priručnik is used for that (the latter being a manual, guidebook or textbook).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Priru%C4%8Dnik

ETA:

Промышленная революция is Industrial Revolution written in Russian letters. This should not be combined with Industrial Era.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/industrial+era

"mystery roman" seems to use "roman" in the sense of "novel", while "Mystery--Roman" is used for mysteries set in ancient Rome: http://www.librarything.com/tag/mystery+roman#combine

"Roman" in a variety of other languages means "novel," yes.

I know that. But people frequently suggest similar combinations.

There are Claphams in Bedfordshire and Yorkshire as well as in London, and one of the tag uses of "Clapham" also seems to be referring to the author's surname. Thus it should not be combined with London : Clapham

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Clapham

I'm pretty sure that the "chrono" in the Narnia Chrono tags refers to "chronological order". Thus Narnia Chrono 2 is volume 1 of the series and Narnia Chrono 3 is volume 5.
Thus Narnia Chrono #2 should not be combined with Chronicles of Narnia #2 and Narnia Chrono #3 should not be combined with Chronicles of Narnia Book 3.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Narnia+Chrono+%233
https://www.librarything.com/tag/Narnia+Chrono+%232

I also personally voted no to the proposal to do the same for Narnia Chrono 7, even though in this case (and this case alone) the chronological order number is the same as the volume number on account of the difference in meaning.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Narnia+Chrono+%237

I've also made separation proposals for the other 4 tags which are already wrongly combined, which should be voted yes on.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Nick+Hornby

Besides the writer, there is also an artist named Nick Hornby. http://www.nickhornby.com/slideshow.htm

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Anaïs is a first name and therefore should not be combined with any specific user of that name.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Naria
There are several uses of Naria that are not misspellings of Narnia.

There is a band called Nightstalker (one word) which both uses of the tag in question are used for. It thus should not be combined with Night Stalker (2 words) which is used mostly on crime books about night stalkers.

There are also various books/films titled Night Stalker and The Night Stalker, so those tags shouldn't be combined either.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/night+stalker

ETA:

The Night Trilogy is used solely on a series by Elie Wiesel which has the series CK on this site of The Night Trilogy. Night Trilogy is mostly used on a different series by Catherine Coulter which has the series CK entry Night Trilogy.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Trilogy

ETA:

There are multiple series within the Night Huntress universe. The fact that there are two different books tagged Night Huntress Series #1 suggests the tag may be being used to refer to the first Night Huntress series rather than the first book within the Night Huntress Series.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Huntress+Series+%231

"Nightfall" (with quotation marks) is used only for a short story. Without the quotation marks, it has multiple uses.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/%22Nightfall%22%27#combine

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+001
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+Series+book+1

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+002
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+Series+book+2

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+%235
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+Series+book+5

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+Bk+4
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Night+Tales+Series+book+4

These are all combining different books with one another. It seems that the taggers might be off by one. Unless it's one of those cases where there's disagreement about which book is technically first or whatever, I don't see a reason to combine them.

>28 lilithcat: https://www.librarything.com/tag/Nightfall

There are one or two other combinations regarding the Nightfall with quotes versus without on this link that I missed with the other, somehow...

https://www.librarything.com/tag/night+watch

Books tagged The Nightwatch are specific to Terry Pratchett's Discworld series.
Books tagged *symbol* Night Watch are specific to a series written by Sergei Lukyanenko

These should NOT be combined with the generic night watch.
(There is one the night watch already combined with the whole, but it has multiple books combined under it, so removing would confuse matters.)

Bible Numbers has books that are about numbers, patterns, numerology, etc. in the Bible. The various tags it's proposed for combination with are all about the Book of Numbers (as in the book between Leviticus and Deuteronomy).

ETA: I also don't personally dig combining 'British' Isles with British Isles.

Numbers- History is a history of numbers; History ➤ Numbers is history in numbers.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/History+%E2%9E%A4+Numbers

"assigned-books" and "assigned reading" are not the same. I may assign, or be assigned, journal articles, printed handouts, online articles, not just books.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/assigned-books#combine

Similarly, "read+for+class" is not the same as "read for school". I take a lot of classes that are not connected with any school.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/read%252Bfor%252Bclass#combine

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Conciencia in Spanish is conscience. Consciencia is consciousness. It appears that Portuguese and Italian use the same word for both? I voted no against the Spanish combination at least.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Young+Rebublicans I'm not certain that it's not supposed to be a slur.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Oz+8 and
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Oz+%238 are used on different books. IIRC, there were several other fishy Oz-series-related proposals, but they'll be a PITA to fish out, because there are a bazillion proposals like the following:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/OfficeNorth
http://www.librarything.com/tag/office+north
Unless somebody can convince me that these different taggers used those to mean the same thing and are in need of combining, I'm voting no.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/%E2%98%BC+North+Africa ignored the tag user's very explicit request not to combine their tags with symbols in them.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Ibero-Americano w/ iberoamericana: the latter is the name of a few universities and a publisher, if not other stuff.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/nature+photography is up for proposal for things like "nature. photography". The former seems to focus on photographic techniques for shooting photos of natural subjects. The latter, if they are even used at all, are books about natural subjects, that have photos of them. At least deserving some undecideds.

In Gospel of Thomas (Coptic Gospel) > Criticism interpretation etc., the qualifier "Coptic Gospel" is to distinguish the Gospel of Thomas (Coptic Gospel) from the Gospel of Thomas (Infancy Gospel). I've voted against combining it with a tag that doesn't make the distinction.

Philosophy(History) is used only for philosophy of history, while Philosophy: History is used mainly for history of philosophy.

Antiquities of the Jews is the title of a work by Josephus, so it isn't equivalent to Jews - Antiquities.

"The scientific method" is the title of a chapter in This Idea Must Die, the only book for which the tag is used.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Oz+fiction is mostly Australian fiction or works by Amos Oz, while
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Oz--Fiction at the moment only has one book, related to the Wizard of Oz.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Oz+%239 is also used on a totally different book from the one in its proposal (unrelated series)

I voted undecided on the rest where the two series were already using the same tag, and the new proposal would just add another usage of the one of them.

Given that we have various "Providence and Government of God - Christianity" tag combinations right next to it I'd have thought it would be obvious that "providence & government of God" does not want combining with "Providence and government of God - Judaism", and, were that not enough, then the fact that the one book it is used on is flooded with tags relating to Christianity might also serve as a hint that the combination might not be the best idea, but apparently not.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/providence+%2526+government+of+God

http://www.librarything.com/tag/british+detective+fiction should not be combined with the tagmash wit, cosy. People have voted yes to this one as well.

>42 kuuderes_shadow:, >43 MarthaJeanne:

Obvious, yes, but only if you're paying attention, which is too often not the case.

>44 lilithcat: the one I posted was 5 yes 1 no when I posted it.

>45 kuuderes_shadow:

That's kind of my point. People vote without actually looking at the proposal. I often think that they see a vote "yes", and just fall in line.

I swear some people simply go down the list voting yes to everything.

Not all of Stephen King's books are novels (the man also writes short stories and essays, folks): http://www.librarything.com/tag/stephen+king+novels#combine

And, though I may not know Russian, I do know that not all prose is fiction: http://www.librarything.com/tag/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0.+fiction#combine

>47 .Monkey.: They must. One of the votes here http://www.librarything.com/tag/Vampires--Fiction combines it with nothing, and it has 6 yes votes.

Yep. It's happened before on really blatant Wtf no! ones, and it'll surely happen again. :|

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Writing-Poetry

writing poetry is heavily used for books about how to write poetry. writing-poetry is used for poetry instead (the tagger has a lot of other writing-x style tags)

(post)apocalyptic is something I would use to group together both apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic. Post-apocalyptic is only the latter.

2 combination proposals:
https://www.librarything.com/tag/%28post%29apocalyptic
https://www.librarything.com/tag/%28post%29apocalyptic%252Fdystopian

>52 kuuderes_shadow: Wasn't this same suggestion made and voted down once before?

>53 gilroy: similar but not quite - that was for combining "post-apocalyptic" with "apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic"

ETA: Dark Tower Comics is the name of a shop in Chicago. I'm pretty sure that this is what junerain uses the tag to refer to. It should thus not be combined with The Dark Tower comics which is used exclusively for the comic adaptation of Stephen King's books.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Dark+Tower+Comics

"THE THIRD JACK REACHER NOVEL" (hey, those aren't my caps!) is used by two different users for two different books. So I have to assume that, for one of those users, at least, it means something different than "Jack Reacher #": http://www.librarything.com/tag/THE+THIRD+JACK+REACHER+NOVEL#combine

http://www.librarything.com/tag/1920s+fiction
http://www.librarything.com/tag/1930s+fiction

It seems that most of the books tagged there were actually written in the 1920s or 1930s, respectively, while most of the tags they are combined with have books that are about or set in those decades but are by more contemporary authors.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Техника

When I ask google to translate Техника I get a variety of possibilities. Technique is one of them, but so are technology, engineering, and technics. It probably should not be combined with any of them.

Everyone loves repeats.

Given that Paleontology is itself a subject that deals with history (or prehistory), it seems inappropriate to combine "paleontology - history" or any similar tags with "history of paleontology". One of the tags at least (http://www.librarything.com/tag/history+-+paleontology) does not appear to be used in the sense of the proposed combination.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/History+of+Paleontology

(copied from last time this proposal set was made... by the same person I believe as well)

Reference / Technical is used exclusively for books about food, while tech reference is used exclusively for books about computers and smartphones.

It looks as though Daily Reading Bible is used for a Bible arranged for daily reading, while Daily Bible Reading is used for other books about daily reading of the Bible.

I think the cross symbol in ╬ Reading Guide means "Christian", and a Christian Reading Guide isn't the same thing as a Reading Guide.

>55 lilithcat: I think both users of the tag actually are using it to represent the same concept ("third book in the Jack Reacher series"), but one of them means "story order" and one of them means "publication order" . . . so they applied it to different books and are -- in their particular frames of reference -- both right.

What that means for combining, I have no earthly idea. :-)

Reading General is the historical name of the station now known as Reading station, which was to differentiate it from the now closed station of Reading Southern. Thus someone who is tagging railway stations is quite likely to use Reading (General) to refer to the station. General reading would not apply to this usage.

The tag isn't used in this way at present but I can easily see it getting used as such, and there's only one user of the tag at present.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Reading+%28General%29

As an aside, am I the only one going through all these "Reading" proposals thinking about the town as well as the verb?

Krim is the German word for Crimea. It's even used for that. http://www.librarything.com/work/11390411

http://www.librarything.com/tag/krim

Even regardless of that, "crime fiction" ≠ "mystery"!! Does "krim" mean "crime" in some language? Because in that case it still wouldn't appropriately combine with either of those suggestions. Urgh.

>65 .Monkey.:

In Norwegian, krim can mean "crime", "crime fiction", or "Crimea".

Ah, I see. In which case it still would not do to combine with any single one of them, even if it didn't have other meanings in other languages as well.

I've voted against combining Foreign literature with equivalent phrases in other languages, because users tagging in different languages will consider different literature as "foreign".

Division: Fiction is used by just two people, both of whom are distinguishing it from Division: Non-fiction. Meanwhile, Division--Fiction and Division - fiction are both used only for fiction about division in arithmetic.

The books tagged Online College Courses and college online courses are about online courses. The books tagged onlinecollegecourses are not. (Possibly they were studied as part of online courses, but combining the tags still seems unhelpful to me.)

Rome should not be combined with Roma (link: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Rome ), as Roma can mean the city or can mean gypsy, depending on the language.

Several books on the top of the "public library" tag are books specifically about/set in public libraries. The %40publiclibrary (an 'at' symbol at the start) tag has none of these, and I would expect this to be along the lines of "this book belongs to or was read at a public library".

https://www.librarything.com/tag/public+library

"Jupiter" is a planet. "Jove" isn't.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/jove#combine

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Country%3AIndonesia and http://www.librarything.com/tag/Country%3AChina are used on general children's books as a designation of where the organizational account is sending or has sent books.

There are more Bostons than the one in Massachusetts, and these (obviously) also have architecture - even if the one book tagged with this is about that one.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/architecture+-+boston

ETA:
http://www.librarything.com/tag/conservation+of+photographs

All the other tags in this block of proposals could also be used for photographs relating to conservation.

Half the use of kriminal is for a periodical of some sort called "Kriminal", and thus it shouldn't be combined with crime fiction. (Interestingly, the English Wiktionary has one entry, a Serbo-Croatian word meaning "crime (practice or habit of committing crimes)", and the Hungarian Wiktionary has one entry, a Indonesian word meaning "criminal".)

Edit: sorry, corrected link target

>76 prosfilaes:

It would be helpful if you provided a link to the proposed combination.

Thanks.

New Haven is in Connecticut, USA (tag is used for this). Newhaven is in Sussex, UK (tag is only used by one person, and seemingly not for either place).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/New+Haven

Perhaps someone fluent in both English and German could weigh in on this, but my understanding of the word "geheimdienst'' is that it refers to "intelligence" solely as referring to the secret service, intelligence agencies, espionage, etc. In English, that is one meaning, but of course it also refers to intellectual capacity.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/intelligence#combine

>79 lilithcat:

Geheimdienst is literally "secret service", and it clearly shouldn't be combined with "intelligence".

>80 AndreasJ:

That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.

Yeah, I'll check an actual Duden next time.

I wish people wouldn't suggest combinations across languages unless they have a good grasp of both languages.

But even just looking at the top books on both pages should show that there is a difference.

And, of course, a quick google to show if either term means something different in another language, or if they are missing something.

In this case I find "Noun. Geheimdienst m (genitive Geheimdienstes, plural Geheimdienste). literally 'secret service', intelligence agency, secret agency, intelligence service. Declension. Declension of ..." on the first page of Google.

Some critics distinguish between a coming of age novel and a bildungsroman. From the Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms:

"Coming-of-age novel. An English term adopted as an approximate equivalent to the German Bildungsroman , although with an implied distinction in terms of time-span. Whereas a fully developed English Bildungsroman or 'education novel' ... will follow the maturation of the protagonist from infancy---or even from before that ... to early adulthood, a coming-of-age novel may be devoted entirely to the crises of late adolescence ..."

http://www.librarything.com/tag/privatdetektivin would be a female private detective.

I have no idea whether http://www.librarything.com/tag/vie+chrétienne would better be combined with Christian Life or Christian Living, but certainly NOT with both.

The only member using the tag "Songs*" is clearly giving a specific meaning to the asterisk. He has tags that use the same word, some having no asterisk, some with one, some with two, some with three, etc.: http://www.librarything.com/tags/jboyd

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Songs%2A#combine

Divergent is a film series as well as a book series, and at least one item tagged "divergent series" refers to the films: http://www.librarything.com/tag/book+series%3A+divergent#combine

For the same reason, "Divergent Series Book 1" should not be combined with "divergent #1": http://www.librarything.com/tag/divergent+%231

JYA has lots of other meanings.
Junior Year Abroad
Jewish Young Adult
Junior Youth Assembly

http://www.librarything.com/tag/JYA

http://www.librarything.com/tag/grade+level+4
Books tagged Grade 4 might be about fourth grade regardless of their reading level.

We've been through the http://www.librarything.com/tag/Kriminalroman bit recently. Literally 'Criminal Novel', it doesn't mean the same thing as mystery, although many books will be both. In this case, short stories can be mysteries, but are not novels.

>88 MarthaJeanne:

I noticed that a number of the books tagged "JYA" are not "Juvenile-YA" by any stretch of the imagination. Tom Jones?

>88 MarthaJeanne: At first I read that as JLA and my thought was "Justice League of America?" :)

I think there's a tendency for CHILDRENS: Spirituality to be used for children's books about spirituality, and for Children's Spirituality to be used for books about the spirituality of children (including books written for adults).

http://www.librarything.com/tag/auf+italienisch

'Auf Italienisch' means 'In Italian' not 'From Italian'

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Robert+Graves

There are several people named Robert Graves.

I've voted against combining medicine dictionaries english-spanish with medicine dictionaries spanish-english. I understand an "English-Spanish dictionary" as providing translations from English into Spanish, and a "Spanish-English dictionary" as providing translations in the opposite direction. (Both tags are currently used for the same book, which apparently includes translations in both directions, but I still consider the meanings as distinct.)

The tag old english textbook is used only for books about Old English, while Old English Text Book is used only for books about modern English. (Possibly the intended meaning of the latter is "English textbook published some time ago".)

>93 Edward: The two tags are used by the same member, so I assume the member using them is making the same distinction.

I voted against combining http://www.librarything.com/tag/Bolitar+series with "myron bolitar series" since there is also a Mickey Bolitar series. (I also voted against M Bolitar #2, 3, 8, and 9 on the technicality, even though I think Mickey only has 2 books in its series).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/etxtbook

etxtbook may refer to a electronic textbook as opposed to a misspelling of textbook, so it would be a different connotation that just textbook, so I'd say no to combining them.

Provence is not Paris: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Provence+%28France%29+Description+and+Travel#com...

Seriously, five "yes" votes?

Six now. But I'm long past being surprised by morons continuously voting yes on blatantly wrong things. :|

I don't know which of the following (if any) ought to be combined with Música electrónica, but not all of them:

• electronica music
• music (electronica)
• electronic music
• música electrònica

In English, "electronica" is not a synonym for "electronic music" in general, but tends to mean something like "electronic dance music ... geared to listening instead of strictly dancing" (Allmusic).

http://www.librarything.com/tag/spa is being used not just for the place you go to hang out in water or whatever, but also to represent "spa(nish)", so I voted against its combination with balneario.

LT does not distinguish between lower- and upper-case in tags. Therefore, "Island" and "island" should not be separated: http://www.librarything.com/tag/island#combine

Many books tagged Reference/Travel are not about travel; I think the main user of this tag means "reference or travel". I've voted against a combination with reference travel, which is used only for books about travel.

American travel is used overwhelmingly for travel in America, but Travel; American is used only for books by an American author (Paul Theroux) about travel elsewhere in the world.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/book+series%3A+dresden+files

Book series: Dresden files is rather specific, it's just for the books.
Series: Dresden Files could also include the TV series and the graphic novels.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/series%3ARiddle-Master+of+Hed

I'm sure there are more than one Riddle Master series out there, so combining just Riddle Master with Riddle Master of Hed seems an incorrect connection to me.

As there are no books currently tagged "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - Relations - Is", it is impossible to tell whether the "Is" refers to "Islam", "Israel", or something else altogether: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Church+of+Jesus+Christ+of+Latter+Day+Saints+-+Re...

Unicorn Chronicles is used for True Heart, which is apparently about a unicorn but not part of the Unicorn Chronicles Series (series: The Unicorn Chronicles).

#106 The tag I was combining it with actually did say '...relations -Islam' but (presumably because that was a long phrase) it failed to 'pick up' all the final word.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Prince+of+Wales+%28Ship%29 + http://www.librarything.com/tag/Prince+of+Wales+%28+Battleship%29

There have been seven Royal Navy vessels bearing this name, with an eighth (a massive floating target an aircraft carrier) on the way.

>110 Collectorator:

A link would be helpful.

There is a Vietnam Veterans Memorial in the State of Washington as well as in Washington, D.C.:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Vietnam+Memorial+Washington+DC#combine
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Vietnam+Veterans+Memorial+%28Washington+D.C.%29

http://leg.wa.gov/Memorials/Pages/Vietnam.aspx

>112 lilithcat: Didn't we vote that one down once before? It feels familiar.

United States › History › 1933-1945 World War refers to a wider range of dates than United States - history - World War 1939-1945.

>114 gilroy:

I'm not sure. It's certainly possible. It wouldn't be the first time something's been proposed, and voted down, multiple times.

rhum can have various meanings.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/rhum

All films are not pornography.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/pornography

>117 MarthaJeanne: Really? Two votes to say Film and Pornography are the same thing?!?!?

>118 gilroy: I thought that was weird, too.

>118 gilroy: & >119 MarthaJeanne: 3 votes now...weird.

The combination is weird, but it seems pretty well established that there's at least a couple people who go voting yes to everything, based on plenty of previous proposals.

"Suomi" refers to the language as well as the country:http://www.librarything.com/tag/Finland#combine

This is not the first time we've had to vote down this proposal:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/177875#4773942
http://www.librarything.com/topic/32636#676146

Working link: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Suomi

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Roma

Should not be combined with Russian word for Rome either, whether or not anyone is using the tag.

Again experienced tag combiners will remember that Roma has various meanings in different languages.

"language: slovene" is used for books in Slovene, while "Slovene language" is used for books about the language: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Slovene+language

Western modern is used for fiction in the Western genre. Western (modern) is used for a single non-fiction book, Towns and Cities – possibly the tag means something like "(cities in) modern Western countries".

It appears EatingWell is a brand name, so I've voted against combining with eating well.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Sanford+Berman

There is also (at least) a Sanford Berman born in 1924.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/informatique

should certainly not be combined with both computer science and computing.

>WWII is used only for Paris Between the Wars 1919-1939, and the same user tags books about the war itself with WWII. I suspect the former tag is intended to mean "the period up to World War II", and I've voted against combining them.

Papua and New Guinea is likely to refer to an earlier period than Papua New Guinea. Papua and New Guinea were formerly two separate territories, then a single Australian "Territory of Papua and New Guinea" from 1949, which was renamed "Papua New Guinea" in 1971 (source: BBC timeline).

News/ Media is used for books about news and books about other media, not just news media. Please don't combine it with NewsMedia (which is set to be combined with news media).

I've had to oppose proposals to combine this tag at least twice before.

Meat Loaf mostly means the musician with that stage name (Wikipedia), while meatloaf mostly means the food.

"Food supply" isn't "food", so Food supply -- Religious aspects -- Christianity shouldn't be combined with Food--Religious aspects--Christianity.

Try Googling K-3. Lots of other things it could mean.
http://www.librarything.com/tag/k-3

>135 MarthaJeanne: We have books about a third of a dog? Who knew?

The proposals to combine biography with both World War II--Biography and Biography-World War II are clearly mistakes, but they've received four Yes votes each.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Elizabeth+II

Am I the only one who realizes there are plenty of other Elizabeth II besides the one from England? I would vote no for all those combining country specific tags with non country specific.

Also, Queen Elizabeth II without designation could refer to EITHER the person or the ship.

>138 gilroy: I have submitted the first few separations.

I've voted against combining first chronicles of prydain with Series: Chronicles of Prydain 1. The former tag is used only for The First Chronicles of Prydain, which according to the LibraryThing series information is actually a compilation of books 1–3 of the series.

Alcoholic can be a noun or an adjective.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/alcoholic

Alkoholiker is definitely the person adicted to alcohol.

An obvious slip (as part of a large number of otherwise helpful proposals), but with some Yes votes: Brain -- Diseases -- Diagnosis. and Breast Diseases: diagnosis.

C. S. Lewis (1898-1963)--Bibliography is used only for a bibliography of C. S. Lewis. Meanwhile, c.s. lewis bibliography is used for 28 books by or about Lewis, none of which appear to be primarily bibliographic.

Library of Alexandria is used entirely or almost entirely for books about the ancient library. Bibliotheca Alexandrina - Alexandria is used entirely for the modern library.

143
My guess is that the 28 books are the bibliography of a single tagger.

>145 vpfluke: That's what the page says.

According to Wikipedia there has been a Republic of Dahomey as well as a Kingdom, so I've voted against combining /Kingdom of Dahomey see Benin/ with dahomey (benin).

http://www.librarything.com/tag/russe

Russe has several other meanings. For example, a city in Bulgaria.

>148 MarthaJeanne: Wouldn't that be Rus anyway? Not Russe?

>149 gilroy: From Wikipedia: Ruse (also transliterated as Rousse or Russe; Bulgarian: Русе, pronounced ˈrusɛ), and historically also known as Rustchuk/Ruschuk, is the fifth largest city in Bulgaria.

If you search Google you get references to a fashion designer.

>150 MarthaJeanne: Actually, I was thinking Russian was Rus.

It also depends what language you mean. In German 'Russe' would be a Russian person (m.sing.). Or a kind of Herring. But the language and the adjective would be 'russisch', so again not a good combination.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Vampyres+%28Juvenile+fiction%29

Mythologically speaking, a vampyre (with the y) is different from vampire (with the i) so these two really should NOT be combined.

>153 gilroy: There were vampires in that tag, so I have suggested the separations.

Saint Vitus seems to be used exclusively for a metal group (official site), mostly for magazines. St. Vitus is used for two books – one about underground culture, and one in Dutch that apparently relates to boy scouts. Even if the underground culture book discusses the band, these tags look very different in usage.

>155 Edward:

The Dutch book is about the 50th anniversary of some sort of Scout troop or organization called St. Vitus.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/consecration+camps

I realize that the book tagged in the Diary of Anne Frank, but I'm sorry. A Consecration Camp is so totally NOT a Concentration Camp. No no no no no!

Fully half of the users of the St Mary tag use it to refer to churches that are named St Mary (st, not saint), whereas every use of the Saint Mary tag refers to the figure from Christian legend.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/St+Mary

ETA:

Saint Mary's College is used solely to refer to Saint Mary's College, Notre Dame, Indiana. One of the four uses of St. Mary's College also refers to this place but the other three are to places that are titled St. Mary's College, not Saint Mary's College.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Saint+Mary%27s+College

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Iformation

I formation is an American Football play, as well as a description of a cave formation. It is not the same as Information

St. Matthew Passion is used for the composition by Bach. The Passion of St. Matthew is used for African American Art and Artists.

"St. John the Divine" is used primarily for books about the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine in New York City. "Saint John the Divine" isn't.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/St.+John+the+Divine#combine

At least one book tagged St. Agnes is about a place of that name, which probably wouldn't be called Saint Agnes.

5 - JOANNA BRADY and Joanna Brady # 5 are for some reason used for different books in the series.

One of the four books tagged Edmund Campion involves not the 16th century saint, but another Edmund Campion in about 1940 (Waller case – see WorldCat for more details). There is also an Australian historian with the same name (LT author page).

I've voted against combining Edmund Campion with St Edmund Campion, and proposed separating out St. Edmund Campion from Edmund Campion.

Saint Bridget can be used for Bridget of Sweden (Birgitta) as well as for Birgit of Ireland. I voted no and proposed separations.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Saint+Brigit

I also voted no on combining http://www.librarything.com/tag/Fam+Lif with family life. FAM LIF and FAM LIFE seem to be used for various groups. (see google)

"Women's Murder Club 3" is not the same as "Women's Murder Club #03; 6.5h - very girlie!". The person using the latter not only adds an assessment of the book to the tag, he uses tags (including this one) to indicate the length of the audiobook, and often the medium as well. See http://www.librarything.com/tags/jrcamp001

>166 lilithcat: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Women%27s+Murder+Club+%2303%3B+6.5h+-+very+girli...

Whoops! Sorry.

There is an author named Paul Saint. Although the tag "Paul Saint" is not currently used for him, it's certainly not unlikely that it might be in the future. I would therefore not combine it with "Saint Paul" or "Paul (Saint)".

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Paul+Saint#combine

The only person using the tag "*St. Patrick" clearly has a specific meaning for the asterisk. She has numerous identical tags both with and without the asterisk.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/%2ASt.+Patrick

There are several combination proposals where the same series numbers are being used on different books:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+02
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+2

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+04
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+4

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+%238
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+8

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+%237
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+7

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+06
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Dune+Chronicles+6

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Kingdom+Series+%282%29
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Kingdom+Series+Book+2
http://www.librarything.com/tag/The+Kingdom+Series+%28book+2%29

>171 omargosh: And? They're the same tags. There's absolutely no gain to the system in keeping these separate.

I voted against these because I felt they could refer to military generals instead of just general stuff about the wars:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/WWI+General with
http://www.librarything.com/tag/World+War+I+--+General

http://www.librarything.com/tag/World+War+2+General with
http://www.librarything.com/tag/World+War+II+--+General

http://www.librarything.com/tag/WWII+General (all the combinations here)

I voted against the following:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Writing-+Fiction and
http://www.librarything.com/tag/writing%3Afiction with
http://www.librarything.com/tag/writing--fiction

since the first two have non-fiction books about writing fiction, whereas the third is mostly YA fiction books, presumably having writing as some theme?

I voted against these because I'm skeptical about the punctuation not being meaningful:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/%7Dww1
http://www.librarything.com/tag/CD%21
http://www.librarything.com/tag/%23CD

>172 prosfilaes:
And ... I disagree. I don't see anything to be gained by combining them, especially not for the sake of folks in such a combining frenzy that it apparently leaves them too busy to take a second and actually look at the books (or lack thereof) in the tags they propose for combination </complaint>. But as this thread's title suggests, I'm just stating why I vote no. Everyone is free to disagree with me and vote yes.

>172 prosfilaes: Actually, Kingdom Series and THE Kingdom series are two different tags, because they are two Different SERIES.
So there is a gain to keeping them separate.

158 -- Every church which is named St. Mary is dedicated to Saint Mary. There is a sense in which the Church of St. Mary belongs to Saint Mary.

>176 vpfluke: - What's that got to do with anything? One thing being dedicated to another does not make them the same thing.

The tag "Paranormal Phenomena-----------------Parapsychology and Occultism hilarion" references a specific author. "Paranormal Phenomena------------Parapsychology and Occultism" doesn't.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Paranormal+Phenomena------------Parapsychology+a...

We had this sort of thing before and I remember quite a few people disagreed with me then but over 900 pages and 900+ pages is NOT the same thing. Ditto with any number replacing the 900 that you want.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/over+900+pages
https://www.librarything.com/tag/over+1000+pages
https://www.librarything.com/tag/over+400+pages
https://www.librarything.com/tag/Over+300+pages
https://www.librarything.com/tag/over+200+pages
https://www.librarything.com/tag/over+100+pages

>179 kuuderes_shadow: Yes, I'd understand "900+" to mean "900 or more", so I've voted against these proposals.

>179 kuuderes_shadow: >180 Edward: Overly-pedantic bullshit.

Yes. Given the extent to which page counts are edition-specific, quibbling about the fact that one tag includes books of precisely 900 pages while the other doesn't seems like pedantry for the sake of pedantry.

If I used tags of "over 100 pages", "over 200 pages" and so forth, and had a book that was 200 pages in length I would not put it in "over 200 pages" as that would be flat out wrong.

Indeed, the main user of these tags has SEPARATE tags for exact page counts of 400 pages and such like. Why would they do that if they (stupidly, tbh) thought 400 pages were included in over 400 pages, which is what voting yes to these proposals is saying?

And imagine there were a tag for 401+ pages. I would vote for that to be combined with "over 400 pages". And thus you would end up with 400+ pages and 401+ pages combined together. It's just fundamentally wrong.

And then 401+ pages combining with over 401 pages, with 402+ pages and so forth through a combination of proposals which are unquestionably right and proposals which are unquestionably wrong but you are saying to support anyway, you get to a state where 400+ pages is combined with 500+ pages is combined with 1000+ pages.

It being unlikely to ever actually get that far is beside the point - this is the principle which you are supporting, and following your logic you would have to vote to support it if the tags were to come up.

But combining the tags for "over 400 pages" and "400+ pages" doesn't affect the catalogs of anyone actually using those tags. When looking for those tags in their catalog they'll find the same books regardless of what other tags it's combined with. Tag combining affects what is seen at the work level and at that level having both those tags in the tag cloud is just redundant.

If someone enters a "401+" tag then it can be combined with the above and I just don't see anyone adding tags of "402+ pages", "403+ pages" etc.

Given the generally splittist inclination of this group, I confess to surprise at the support for combining tags that are unambiguously, albeit marginally, different in meaning. Surely we've split finer hairs than these often enough.

>185 AndreasJ: Yes, this exactly. Why this particular thing would be too pedantic while tons of others nearly identical to this situation are no that's not the same exact meaning! is beyond me.

I've long maintained that the purpose of tag combination shouldn't be an ivory-tower exercise in semantics but needs to take into account that these are tags and tags are used in a certain way.

>184 jjwilson61: Tag combining isn't about that one person's catalog. It's about others searching the site. So if someone is looking for a book with more than X number of pages, they aren't going to want a tag that has X number of pages. So the semantics of More than 400, Over 400, or 400+ is a valid argument.

Books that are movies would include more than books made into movies. One obvious example would be movies made into books.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/books+that+are+movies

ß is a sort of double s. Gauß might possibly be the equivalent of Gauss, but not of Gaus.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Gauß

>190 MarthaJeanne: Unless Gaus were a common misspelling of Gauss, which doesn't seem to the case here.

There seem to be plenty of people named Gaus. Some cases of this tag seem to be misspellings, but I wouldn't combine Mat and Matt either.

There was a rock climber named Warren Harding, and there are books on that tag page by and about him, as well has books about the U.S. President. So that page should not be combined with "Warren G. Harding".

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Warren+Harding#combine

>193 lilithcat: I think this is one of those cases where the name is so famous that it overrides the fact that there may be another person linked in. For the vast majority Warren Harding means the President and they would expect the tag to be linked to other tags that also mean the same President.

>194 jjwilson61:

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. This isn't a situation where there's one book about the other person buried on the last page. Books by and about him are on the very first page of tag listings.

And he wasn't exactly unknown, either, but was a significant figure in his field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Harding_(climber)

"Historical Korea" is used for non-fiction books about the history of that country. "Historical: Korea" is used for historical fiction. (Note that only one user has the latter tag and she consistently uses "Historical: . . ." for historical fiction, and "History: . . ." for non-fiction.)

http://www.librarything.com/tag/historical+Korea#combine

The tag philosophy logic is used mostly for novels by Frank Herbert and Philip Pullman. I wonder if this is an (import?) error by one user. Regardless, the tag is very different in usage from Philosophy: Logic.

Wikipedia's House of Night article distinguishes between "novels" and "novellas" in the series. I've voted against combining House Of Night Novels with house of night series.

198 - The series listing in LT ( http://www.librarything.com/series/House+of+Night ) shows the novellas listed with the novels shown as 8.1, 9.1, 10.1, 11.1. So LT hasn't quite followed the lead of Wikipedia in this area.

>199 vpfluke: Maybe, but it still helps that one is specifically about just the novels, whereas the other constitutes the novels AND novellas.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Bible+N.T.+Acts

Okay, so I'm seeing this differently apparently.

Bible NT - Acts is about the book of Acts.

Bible NT Acts to me could be about both the Book of Acts and about the Acts of Jesus throughout the New Testament. So I would vote no to combining

Murder victims are not the same as murder victims' families.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Murder+victims%27+families+%E2%80%BA+Fiction

201> Why is Bible NT - Acts about the book of Acts and Bible NT Acts not necessarily?

>203 prosfilaes: The separator makes a difference to me. It never does to anyone else, it seems.

I would expect a serial killer cop to be a cop who kills, and a cop serial killer to be a killer of cops.

I haven't read the books with these tags, but the Amazon descriptions apparently support this distinction ("a member of Ireland's police force, known as The Guards ... also a sociopath" for serial killer cop, versus "an Internet pedophile who may also be a cop killer" for cop serial killer).

Based on the titles and related tags for "Wooden -- Tables.", I think this tag is part of the Library of Congress Subject Heading "Buildings, Wooden -- Tables." (tabular information about wooden buildings), and not anything to do with Wooden Tables (wooden furniture).

>206 Edward:

Your first link is wrong. You want this one: https://www.librarything.com/tag/Wooden+--+Tables.

>207 lilithcat: Thanks. Corrected.

It seems to me that Online library catalog evaluation could mean either online evaluation of library catalogs or evaluation of online library catalogs.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Online+library+catalog+evaluation

I have no idea what the difference is, but when Invalid's Chairs (http://www.librarything.com/tag/Invalid's%20Chairs) and Invalid Chairs are only used by one member, and both on the same book, I assume that they are different.

http://www.librarything.com/work/2772092/book/13867540

>210 MarthaJeanne: There's no reason to assume that just because the same person uses slightly different tags that the difference is meaningful. It's equally likely that they got a little sloppy in their tagging.

Both on the same book?

>211 jjwilson61: That's just an idiotic concept. of course they aren't the same.
The same person, the same book, two different tags. Different meanings.

>213 gilroy: That's an insulting response. I often can't remember if I tag my computer books with computer or computers, so at any particular time there may be a mix until I have a chance to clean up my tags. (Of course with the tag completion feature this doesn't happen nearly as often).

So rather than use one or the other and then later on go and edit one of the tags into the other, you tag the same books with both of them? Um?

>214 jjwilson61: Interesting. So you're assuming that the person couldn't remember how they tagged their book and used both tags, just in case? You're assuming people do things EXACTLY as you think they would?

The concept, to me, has always been same user, two different tags, two different meanings. Otherwise, we'd have a lot of tags combined that create crazy combos on the same book.

>216 gilroy: Well if both tags are on one book it's not the same case as I described, but then I don't really know what to make of it. But I still wouldn't assume that they meant the tags to have different meanings.

I'm not sure what to make of your crazy combos remark. We're not talking about combining completely different tags here, just ones that seem like they ought to be the same.

>217 jjwilson61: that were on the same books.

Not all books tagged "knitting" are "how to" books. There are memoirs, novels, etc. as well.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/knitting#combine

>219 lilithcat: Hell even without novels etc, a book of patterns isn't what I'd call "how to," either, unless it's explicitly a starter guide with instructions on how to do all the steps involved.

>220 .Monkey.:

Agreed.

According to Wikipedia, there is a Left Behind film series containing three films as well as a much longer book series. The tag Left Behind 1 is used for a video recording by user calvarychelmsford, so I've voted against the following proposed combinations:

• Left Behind 1 and The Left Behind Series (book 1)
• Left Behind 1 and Left Behind: Book 1

I've also voted against the following proposals involving tags that could easily be used for films in future (or combined with tags used for films), even if they haven't clearly been used that way yet:

• Left Behind 2 and Left Behind: Book 2
• Left Behind #3 and Left Behind: Book 3
• Left Behind #3 and The Left Behind Series (book 3)

Isle of Wight is used mostly for works about the English island, but also for some works about the county in Virginia, which isn't an island and probably wouldn't be known as The Isle of Wight.

Time for a new topic.