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1anowalk
Are there prose writers out there who still love reading poetry?
2StarGazer72
I love both poetry and prose, and write both. I do meet a lot of fiction writers who just don't like poetry, though. They don't think it's a waste of time (as if reading poetry won't help your prose!), they just aren't big fans of it.
3TheresaWilliams
4Scaryguy
In university . . . yes, but as I've gotten older I just don't care enough to make the effort to read poetry regularly. Apathy.
Poetry is definitely a niche market. I think it always has been. The 50's made poetry hip, but now it's just hip replacement.
5buchleser
I will crush you both,
you pathetic Jedi fools!
...oops, where'd my hands go?
6MarianV
7tiddleyboom
As a rule, I read poems sporatically - sometimes on the web or in a dusty volume. Normally, I cringe. Once in awhile, I enjoy them. Rarely, I am astonished.
Oh, and Scaryguy - your posts tend to make coffee come out of my nose. Hip replacement, hmmm, maybe I'm older than I feel.
and the touchstones appear a wee faulty...
8PensiveCat
Crazy cat person alert: I like reading poems out loud to my cat, because for some reason she seems to like the sound of it and gets really relaxed and glazed - thus easing my day's tension as well.
9citygirl
On-topic: I wish I liked poetry more than I do. I consider it literary nutrition, like whole-wheat pasta, which I also consume sometimes. I know it's good for me and will help out my writing.
10villandry
11pollysmith
12TheresaWilliams
13andyray
14jugglingpaynes
15nmelcher
16GlennCooper
17KoeniginderNacht
That said, we poetry lovers – or even those who use poetry because they see the usefulness of it – are in the minority of the readers out there. I think if you asked any library in the country how well their poetry collection circulated in comparison to popular fiction, or even classical fiction, you’d find a large gap in most of their numbers. And keep in mind that a lot of their poetry numbers will come from school kids who need a poem for school, but will never touch the stuff again. (This was my intro to poetry too, but I’m one of the few who kept going back for more.)
I think it’s sad, but fewer and fewer people in our society can easily understand what is said in poetic form, and not many people want to take the time to understand or reflect upon poetry. If I try to share a poem with people I’ll hear a lot of, “Well, I sure it’s good, but I don’t get it.” Or, “I’ll have to read it again,” - which they never do. Then there are those that do enjoy poetry or at least have an understanding of it. They take the time to read it, may have an immediate impression, then, upon reflection, will very likely have more to offer.
Once in a great while I’ll go through a library and see a lone young person sitting, and I mean really settled in, reading a book of poetry. Such a wonderful feeling passes over me when I see that. So to all poetry readers and writers, take heart. It’s not dying, just a bit under appreciated.
18ostrom
http://poetsmusings-muser.blogspot.com/
For poets and poetry-readers, "the state of publishing" has always been bad, so, ironically, they're pretty sanguine about the current crises in literary publishing. Dickinson published 1-2 poems in her lifetime, and the same goes for Hopkins; Blake had to self-publish. So it goes.
19timjones
I write poems intermittently. I have barely written a poem in the last year, although I've edited a few older poems; my focus has been very much on prose. The poems in my collection All Blacks' Kitchen Gardens mostly date from 2003-2005, then I wrote another batch in 2006 - about 20 pages' worth. I expect I'll start writing poetry again before long, although one can never be sure. I find that reading poetry, especially from my favourite poets, is the best way to get my own poetry writing underway.
20jbhensley
I also like Sharon Olds's poetry. And music too. Music lyrics are like poetry to me, I've thought about getting back into writing music again.
21dizzydame
Like others on this thread, I pull out some favorite poets and read them often.
I think poetry is important to me as a writer. I enjoy poetry that uses language in a vivid way, but not so unique that I won't be able to access the meaning. And sadly, much of the new poetry I read seems to play with words and then that's about it--there isn't a level of substance I can reach or understand.
But poetry is important, very important. I think we each have to find the poetry that speaks to us.
22yareader2
23whitewavedarling
Anyhow, I tend to tell my students it's just a different type of reading; it often takes more patience and rereading, but in the end you can get the same feeling and emotion that comes with a novel.
24ostrom
25alexa_d
26MarianV
But it is easy to read what is being written today, all you need is access to the internet.
27hermit_9
This may be the most important sentence in this thread. Poetry operates on a personal level, speaking directly to the emotions. But to me, it must also have structure, form, meter, and rhyme (a heresey in modern poetry). I don&rsqo;t get most modern poetry. Blank verse and free verse leave me cold. We already had a word for writing without a rhythmic structure, rhyme, or whatever. It was called prose. give me Emily Dickinson or Edgar Alan Poe any day—or better yet, one of Shakespeare’s sonnets.
28Eruntane
29Dawnrookey
30Eruntane
Jimenez is welcome to write the other way for all of me, but the lines were put there for a reason.
31hermit_9
And I agree. Great poets break rules. My favorites were not shy about breaking rules when it served their purposes. But, to paraphrase Eruntane, there is a big difference between breaking rules and completely ignoring them. I have read some beautiful, moving free verse, but I still consider it prose.
32LheaJLove
But in general, I love reading poetry... specifically, well written poetry. Most recently, I love the book Legitimate Dangers... there's a lot of young new talent out there...
33Audacity
This summer I'm interning in at a library, working on the papers of Jim Daniels, a Detroit-native poet who's been touted as the poet for "blue collar America". I think his stuff is fantastic! Not only am I more interested in reading poetry because of Daniels, but I'm also tempted to try my own hand at it!
34Tigercrane
I carry around a pocket-sized copy of Leaves of Grass in one of my coats. I pick up anthologies to read, then track down the individual poets I like the best. My most recent read was Thirst by Mary Oliver.
Lately I've been introducing my kids to Ogden Nash.
"Belinda lived in a little red house
With a little black kitten and a little gray mouse
And a little yellow dog and a little red wagon
And a realio, trulio, little pet dragon."
35wickedlovely
"'I have no name,
I am but two days old.'
What shall I call thee?
'I happy am,
Joy is my name.'
Sweet joy befall thee!
Pretty joy!
Sweet joy but two days old,
Sweet joy I call thee;
Thou dost smile...
I sing the while-
Sweet joy befall thee!"
Ever since that poem, I've read poetry ever since. Which that started years ago.
36raistlinsshadow
37JNagarya
"I go back and forth between poetry and prose for my reading."
I oscillate between law, on one hand, and on the other, poetry. At the moment it's poetry, but it could be law next week, or tomorrow.
It's bizarre: both require precision in usage, but one -- law -- is about power, and the other -- poetry -- about truth.
Truth and power -- never, as twain, do they meet.
I have much work in process -- but have been waiting for a strange inertia to end. Mostly I read nonfiction, as it is -- law -- but anticipate working on not only poetry but also on prose which is somewhat intermediate between prose and poetry, and between night and day. (As it dawns on me.)
I haven't read fiction in decades -- except that poetry is fiction. And I've only written poetry for some years now -- I'm about stringent use of ink so there's sufficient left for prose writers.
And if you believe all that -- and you should, 'cause it's true -- you'll thank me the next time you're pen doesn't run out of ink mid-sentence.
It's also that I love wide, wide margins, because they remind of expanse of snow. The only thing missing is the sparrows, but I can put them in when and where I want them to chatter and sing.
But reading is essential to writing. One encounters ways of doing things one hadn't thought of, or stumbled upon.
And one gets the courage to write about contents one before then didn't dare. I might, next tiime, add in a thin line of sparrow's footprints across that expanse. But not until winter.
Last but not least: always remember to structure in terms of beginning, middle, and end.
38JNagarya
"I've thought about getting back into writing music".
I finally got a guitar in September, 2007 -- hadn't had one since the mid-1970s.
I don't plan on making hit records (not immediately, anyway). But one should try more than one's main art. It gives one a different feel and perspective. (Mine was originally visual arts; then I tried writing . . . and switched: at the least it's more portable, vagabond.)
I've not written music since the 60s', but I do sorta write for the ear, even though during the writing it seems to be for the eye.
So whaddya want: I look like a Picasso painting in which eye and ear have merged. And dance around between my eyebrows.
-- careful what you say: I'll see you doing it at my ear.
39JNagarya
As long as one is crafting words differently than others, one is (re)making the rules as one goes along.
Try Denise Levertov -- a generous amount of her poetry is available online. And read whatever of her essays are online about the structure of her poems -- there are rules -- and you'll "get" that there's more to it than simply "making up the rules as you go along". It isn't prose.
Today, in the US, traditional forms -- meter and rhyme -- in poetry are either insisted upon by reactionary academics, or used strictly for humor.
40JNagarya
Shouldn't you read the poetics written by such poets before ruling them out? It's possible they know something you don't know, and are refusing to learn.
Yes: the lines were put there for a (predetermined) reason: to keep you in line.
41JNagarya
It isn't prose, because there is a thoroughly articulated reason for ending lines when/where they are ended. It isn't willy-nilly or arbitrary.
42JNagarya
Writing to meter is difficult. And for those who turn up their nose at the unrhymed: the absence of ryhme does not automatically imply absense of rhythm and meter. Most of the free-verse poets actually know the traditional forms. Problem is, life doesn't always cooperate with traditional forms.
43iansales
44hermit_9
It isn't prose, because there is a thoroughly articulated reason for ending lines when/where they are ended. It isn't willy-nilly or arbitrary.
Still, much of it (blank and free verse) seems so. Perhaps the fault is with this reader. I am not disparaging the creativity of such writing. Much prose is moving and filled with wonderful poetic language.
Neither do I insist on “traditional forms (#42),” although I prefer them. By “traditional forms,“ I assume you are talking about forms that rely on meter and rhyme such as the sonnets I mentioned (21). Older European poetry (Beowulf come to mind) was alliterative rather than rhymed. (Tolkien wrote some interesting pieces based on this form.) It was still strongly rhythmic.
I think you stated the problem very well when you said, “Writing to meter is difficult.” (42) Writing rhyme, especially in English, is also difficult. To me the power of poetry derives from overcoming those difficulties. But we must each find our own poetry.
45JNagarya
I'm constantly stunned at the rhyming done by bobby d. (aka Bob Dylan) -- as many as 6 in a row at times. So I'm not opposed to rhyming, and have done it myself. Problem is, today rhyming is treated as limited to humorous poetry -- if one writes a serious poem with rhyming it'll either be viewed as humorous, perhaps a parody of the form, or rejected by editors.
At the same time, one can write to meter, and with rhythm, without also rhyming. There is at least one essay online by Levertov about so-called "free verse," I think titled, "On the Function of the Line". Such isn't without discipline (depending on the writer: Levertov clearly had discipline, and she often enough spoke to the necessity of it); it's more at American: the line is as long as necessary for the line and context; perhaps it can be compared to jazz, in which there is a greater freedom than in other forms of music.
But, again, such "free verse"* is not prose: in such poetry the white space is equal as an element to the other "parts" of the poem. Unlike traditional forms, it is visual in how it is lain out on the page -- that also not being willy-nilly and arbitrary.
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*French "free verse" is a different animal from that in the US.
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It's "funny" how the "free verse" poets of the 20s-60s are slammed, with no reference to Walt Whitman, who is credited with initiating the move beyond traditional forms. (I'm not much for Whitman and his bombast.)
To me the power of poetry is not in the form -- or overcoming the difficulties of writing to meter and using rhyme; it is in the poem itself, those others serving that end.
46ayli
47GlennCooper
You can check it out at http://www.lulu.com/content/4373487
48cornpuff12
49unknown_zoso05
50thesmellofbooks
I remember reading that when John Steinbeck was stuck and couldn't write fiction, he would write poetry until he came unjammed. Seems like a good idea to me.
Casey
"I am no longer young, but the wind and waters are. What falls away will fall. All things lead me to love." Theodore Roethke
51AnthonyCochrane
I have been writing poetry since I was 11 years old. Finally I am self-publishing my poetry book titled Someone Hungry IS Thinking. It consists of 88 poems. I am the kind of poet who has learned, the right side of the brain has to be relaxed and stimulated, then the flood gates open and the feelings pour out in shapes of words. Then in a day or 2 or 3, the left side of the brain comes in and edits.
Anyway, I love to write poetry, my style, free and rhyming in most cases. It just comes out that way. If you are interested my e-mail is NOLARD9999@aol.com. If you contact me, I will e-mail some of my work to read from my book. I'm from Ontario. A normal person who likes to share his poetry. I'm originally from Newfoundland. Land of the Irish,Scottish, English folk storytellers....God Bless..
Anthony
52andreablythe
54andreablythe
55JNagarya
"I think there is a big difference between, as you put it, 'remolding old convention' and throwing convention out of the window in favour of splurging words onto the page and assuming they have literary merit because they express a free spirit of creativity (or whatever.)"
You know nothing about modern poetry, because that isn't true.
As for the lines being the way they are? They are intended to keep you in line. But as my high school art teacher used to say about the uptight (and untalented) when he told them to loosen up:
"But I've always been told to stay between the lines."
We have such as Emily Dickinson and Van Gogh because they refused to stay between the lies. And Dickinson is probably the US's greatest poet.
56Josy_phineMarch
I don't typically seek out poetry, but if I run into something I like I make an effort to memorize it like I would a song - poetry's best when it can be retold. :-) And it's such fun to read aloud - the words set together just right, with the really nice ones tossed in here and there like highlights and shadows.
I write poetry, but I never like it as well.
57TheresaWilliams
I admire that you make an effort to memorize poems. I really need to do that.
58Josy_phineMarch
I have a whole book of her poetry, however (Poems by Emily Dickinson: first and second series), and now I feel inspired to take some time and read through it more thoroughly.
Ah, but the effort is not always successful - all but the last stanza of "Inversnaid" have eluded my memory so far. ;-)
59TheresaWilliams
I still remember poems I memorized in high school. I like knowing them and often wish I knew more. I'm lazy, though. :-)
60keigu
John Hollander once wrote a fine short book of various forms of poetry (I tried and failed to get the touchstones to cough it up), but I am thinking we could use a book re. types of poetry bearing upon the subject matter and attitude, instead.
Me? I have read tens of thousands of Japanese kyoka, or "mad poems" and Englished thousands of them over the past year. I guess they are the closest thing Japan has to metaphysical poetry. Doing this, I came to realize that translation helps one to read poetry more completely than one otherwise would.
61DavidHFears
62keigu
Let me recommend the "no" people to try Luminarium for metaphysical poets and David Lanoue's Issa site for haiku (or any of my books at Google Books) -- If neither type tickles your fancy, you either like modern poetry or no poetry (which, to my mind are similar).
65megwaiteclayton
Me! So much so that I'm including a poet in my new novel, so I have an excuse to read poetry in the afternoon and call it "work." I delivered a draft to my editor endish of the year, and she loves the poetry in it. (Not written by me, lucky for my readers!)
66RobJordan
67MarianV
69jlstaples24
71armandine2
www.poemtree.com/poems/SpringAndFall.htm
72copyedit52
http://www.librarything.com/topic/88286
It's previous version, nature: the sequel, was:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/86448
73LauraJWRyan
I'm currently reading DaDaDa by Catherine Daly.
74Lcwilson45
And, for all of you publishing poets - I am more likely to buy a new book of poetry to hold onto indefinitely rather than a new novel. There is hope for poets!
76timjones
http://www.librarything.com/topic/22801#395784
Nice to see this thread still going!
>74 Lcwilson45:, Lcwilson45: I buy books that I think I will re-read, so that means I too am more likely to buy poetry than fiction.
New Zealand author Mary McCallum, who is best known as a novelist, has set up an excellent initiative called the Tuesday Poem. Poets who have blogs - including NZ, US and Irish poets at the moment - post a poem on their blogs each Tuesday, and they are all linked from a central "hub blog" which Mary set up. It's a good way to keep up with some contemporary poetry!
The central blog with all the links is
http://tuesdaypoem.blogspot.com
77armandine2
Earth and all her oceans slip
Brought a tear to the eye the other night; partly, perhaps, Auden's fault.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqm3E1EPr-8

