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Charles Ruff - Clinton lawyer
Died: November 20, 2000
Charles Ruff was one of Clinton's attorneys during the impeachment trial and was known to have inside infomration on the White House emails scandal as well. Original reports were that he died in an accident in his home although no details were given. Then the report changed to claim that he was found in his bedroom unconscious, then declared dead on arrival at the hospital. The authorities will provide no details other than the usual (and quite premature) assurances that there was no foul play involved.
Col. James Sabow
Died: 1991
Supposedly about to blow the whistle on drug running activity taking place on the naval base where he was stationed, Col. James Sabow was found by his wife in the backyard of their home with his head blown off with a shotgun. The Navy ruled it a suicide. In all, more than 40 deaths by individuals concerned with drug traffic on military bases have been declared as suicides despite evidence that murder was involved.
Walter Scheib - Clinton White House Chef.
Died: June 13, 2015
Walter Scheib was hired by the Clinton White House and continued to serve the Bush administration. He was reported missing by his family when he failed to return from a hike. His body was found more than one and as half miles off of the trail he was supposed to be on, at the bottom of a river. No official cause of death has been released.
Tom Schweich - Waco Investigator and candidate for governor
Died: February 26, 2013
Schweich served as Chief of Staff for former U.S. Senator John Danforth's investigation of the federal government's actions in connection with the 1993 FBI siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. He had announced his candidacy for governor just one month before his death, and was found with a gunshot wound to the left temple. Tom Schweich wa right-handed. One month later, his media director, Robert Spence Jackson, was found dead of a similar wound.
Barry Seal - CIA drug pilot
Died: February 19, 1986
Now known to have been a gun and drug smuggler for the CIA, operating out of the Mena airport, Barry Seal had reportedly kept in contact with Bill Clinton's head of security at the governor's mansion, Raymond "Buddy" Young, the ex rodeo clown who is now the number 2 man at FEMA. Following his fall from CIA grace, Barry was sentenced to live at a Salvation Army Housing Complex by a judge who also prohibited Barry Seal to either have any guns or to employ any bodyguards. Corruption doesn't become any more obvious than this. Barry was gunned down with machine gun fire in the parking lot of the Salvation Army Housing Complex. In violation of the court order, Barry had hired bodyguards who worked a rotation schedule. But the bodyguard who was to be there when Barry was killed never showed up. That bodyguard, according to video producer Daniel Hopsicker, was a former associate (meaning drug pilot) of Barry's named William "Bear" Bottoms. Bottoms prowled the internet insisting that there never was any drug running operation at Mena, Arkansas.
Bill Shelton - Arkansas state trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson
Died: June 1994
Allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at the grave site of his fiancée - Officer Shelton was the fiancée of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also supposedly committed "suicide" June 1994 when she shot herself in her living room. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual harassment suit. Kathy Ferguson was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.
Victor Thorn, Independent Journalist
Died: August 1, 2016
Found dead of a gunshot on top of a mountain near his home, Thorn has been a thorn in the side of the Clintons for decades, writing books and articles for American Free Press that exposed many of the Clintons' dark secrets, including the drug running out of Mena, Arkansas. While officially declared a suicide, it is worth noting that Victor Thorn was at the height of his success, with a long line of successful books, including Crowning Clinton: Why Hillary Shouldn't Be in the White House and the Hillary (And Bill) trilogy, which were strong sellers. The trilogy had just been purchased for translation and foreign distribution.
Paul Tully, Democratic National Committee Political Director
Died: September 24, 1992
Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. - Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. In a press release, then-presidential candidate Clinton called Mr. Tully "a dear friend and trusted adviser." He said he was "deeply saddened by the loss." Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.
Jon Parnell Walker - RTC investigator
Died: August 15, 1993
Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal. The same apartment which was alleged to have been a secret getaway which Vince Foster may have visited.
Calvin Walraven - Drug witness
24 year old Walraven was a key witness in Jocelyn Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman said no foul play was suspected.
Gary Webb - Journalist
Died: December 10, 2004
Webb, a Pullitzer prize winning journalist, exposed CIA drug trafficking operations in a series of books and reports for the San Jose Mercury News. He was found dead on Friday morning in what the police said was an apparent suicide. Webb had been shot in the head TWICE!
Maynard Webb - Mena airport witness
Maynard Webb had stumbled on several aircraft whose tail numbers were being changed on a regular basis. Was about to go public when he walked headfirst into a spinning propeller.
Russel Welch - Infected with military grade anthrax.
Alan G. Whicher - Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail.
Died: April 19, 1995
In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, whom died in the bomb blast.
Paul Wilcher - Washington attorney investigating gun running out of Mena, Arkansas.
Died: June 22, 1993
Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever reported by the coroner. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gunrunning out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three weeks before his death.
Ed Willey - Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser
Died: November 30, 1993
Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton. - Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Gareth Williams - MI6 Agent
Died: August 16. 2010
Gareth Williams, an MI6 spy who wored on both sides of the Atlantic, engaged in some unauthorized hacking by breaking into Bill Clinton's database of friends and connections, ostensibly to give to a friend in the media. This breach caused a diplomatic nightmare for MI6's new director, Sir John Sawers. Gareth was found naked, padlocked into a sports bag, in his own bathtub. No fingerprints, palm-prints footprints or traces of William's DNA were found at the scene. The key to the padlock was inside the bag, underneath his body. As usual, declared a suicide! The sheer absurdity of this claim provoked a public uproar, and the promoters of the suicide theory even went so far as to try to demonstrate how Williams could have inserted himself into the bag! But even this charade failed to convince anyone and the police were finally forced to acknowledge William's murder, even to the point of admitting they had two suspects in the crime ... who were never arrested.
John Augustus Wilson - Former Washington DC Council member
Died: May 18, 1993
Wilson claimed to have info on Whitewater, a political controversy that began with the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s, and was willing to talk. Found hanged. Declared a suicide.
Jim Wilhite - Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc.
Died: December 21, 1992
Died in a one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.
Theodore Williams, Jr. - Bettie Currie's brother.
Died: December 16, 1997
A passing car hit the brother of Presidential Secretary Betty Currie after his own car had somehow run off the road. Bill Clinton called Monica Lewinsky at 2:00 AM the next morning to tell her of the death and alert Monica that her named appeared on the Paula Jones witness list. Betty's brother had also been beaten shortly before Betty testified in a previous matter.
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
Clinton bodyguards
Died: February 28, 1993
"executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, "WACO II, the Big Lie Continues," Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade, fired at least two shots into the room. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. A "private physician" treated all four.
Barbara Wise - Commerce Department Staffer
Died: November 29, 1996
As the scandals continued to swirl around the John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office on the fourth floor of the Department of Commerce, partially nude (by one report completely nude) and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced even though an autopsy was conducted (prior to next of kin being notified). Calls to the D.C. autopsist, Dr. Jaardemal have gotten an assurance that the bruises were not from being beaten but nothing else. Despite claims of ongoing illness, no record of a hospital visit in the months leading up to her death has surfaced. Oddly enough, following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in order to complete his inauguration speech.
Richard Winters - Suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry
Died: July 1989
Winters offered to cooperate. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" which was subsequently proven to be a setup.
Dan Harmon, the Prosecutor who Winters reportedly made the offer to, was implicated in the Kevin/Ives deaths and was jailed for running his office as a criminal enterprise to extort narcotics and cash, proof that elements of Arkansas law enforcement were corrupted by drugs during Bill Clinton's tenure as governor.
Terrance Yeakey. - First police officer to arrive at the Murrah Building following the OK City bombing
Died: May 8, 1996
Terrance Yeakey had collected together a vast amount of hard data on the bombing of the Murrah building. Terrance Yeakey's patrol car was found abandoned along a dirt road, the front seat covered with blood. Officer Yeakey himself was found a short distance away, with 11 cut wounds on both arms and two in his throat, plus a gunshot through the head. No gun was ever found, and the death was declared a suicide. His material on the OK City bombing was never found following his death. His life had been threatened.
Died: November 20, 2000
Charles Ruff was one of Clinton's attorneys during the impeachment trial and was known to have inside infomration on the White House emails scandal as well. Original reports were that he died in an accident in his home although no details were given. Then the report changed to claim that he was found in his bedroom unconscious, then declared dead on arrival at the hospital. The authorities will provide no details other than the usual (and quite premature) assurances that there was no foul play involved.
Col. James Sabow
Died: 1991
Supposedly about to blow the whistle on drug running activity taking place on the naval base where he was stationed, Col. James Sabow was found by his wife in the backyard of their home with his head blown off with a shotgun. The Navy ruled it a suicide. In all, more than 40 deaths by individuals concerned with drug traffic on military bases have been declared as suicides despite evidence that murder was involved.
Walter Scheib - Clinton White House Chef.
Died: June 13, 2015
Walter Scheib was hired by the Clinton White House and continued to serve the Bush administration. He was reported missing by his family when he failed to return from a hike. His body was found more than one and as half miles off of the trail he was supposed to be on, at the bottom of a river. No official cause of death has been released.
Tom Schweich - Waco Investigator and candidate for governor
Died: February 26, 2013
Schweich served as Chief of Staff for former U.S. Senator John Danforth's investigation of the federal government's actions in connection with the 1993 FBI siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. He had announced his candidacy for governor just one month before his death, and was found with a gunshot wound to the left temple. Tom Schweich wa right-handed. One month later, his media director, Robert Spence Jackson, was found dead of a similar wound.
Barry Seal - CIA drug pilot
Died: February 19, 1986
Now known to have been a gun and drug smuggler for the CIA, operating out of the Mena airport, Barry Seal had reportedly kept in contact with Bill Clinton's head of security at the governor's mansion, Raymond "Buddy" Young, the ex rodeo clown who is now the number 2 man at FEMA. Following his fall from CIA grace, Barry was sentenced to live at a Salvation Army Housing Complex by a judge who also prohibited Barry Seal to either have any guns or to employ any bodyguards. Corruption doesn't become any more obvious than this. Barry was gunned down with machine gun fire in the parking lot of the Salvation Army Housing Complex. In violation of the court order, Barry had hired bodyguards who worked a rotation schedule. But the bodyguard who was to be there when Barry was killed never showed up. That bodyguard, according to video producer Daniel Hopsicker, was a former associate (meaning drug pilot) of Barry's named William "Bear" Bottoms. Bottoms prowled the internet insisting that there never was any drug running operation at Mena, Arkansas.
Bill Shelton - Arkansas state trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson
Died: June 1994
Allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at the grave site of his fiancée - Officer Shelton was the fiancée of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also supposedly committed "suicide" June 1994 when she shot herself in her living room. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual harassment suit. Kathy Ferguson was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.
Victor Thorn, Independent Journalist
Died: August 1, 2016
Found dead of a gunshot on top of a mountain near his home, Thorn has been a thorn in the side of the Clintons for decades, writing books and articles for American Free Press that exposed many of the Clintons' dark secrets, including the drug running out of Mena, Arkansas. While officially declared a suicide, it is worth noting that Victor Thorn was at the height of his success, with a long line of successful books, including Crowning Clinton: Why Hillary Shouldn't Be in the White House and the Hillary (And Bill) trilogy, which were strong sellers. The trilogy had just been purchased for translation and foreign distribution.
Paul Tully, Democratic National Committee Political Director
Died: September 24, 1992
Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. - Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. In a press release, then-presidential candidate Clinton called Mr. Tully "a dear friend and trusted adviser." He said he was "deeply saddened by the loss." Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.
Jon Parnell Walker - RTC investigator
Died: August 15, 1993
Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal. The same apartment which was alleged to have been a secret getaway which Vince Foster may have visited.
Calvin Walraven - Drug witness
24 year old Walraven was a key witness in Jocelyn Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman said no foul play was suspected.
Gary Webb - Journalist
Died: December 10, 2004
Webb, a Pullitzer prize winning journalist, exposed CIA drug trafficking operations in a series of books and reports for the San Jose Mercury News. He was found dead on Friday morning in what the police said was an apparent suicide. Webb had been shot in the head TWICE!
Maynard Webb - Mena airport witness
Maynard Webb had stumbled on several aircraft whose tail numbers were being changed on a regular basis. Was about to go public when he walked headfirst into a spinning propeller.
Russel Welch - Infected with military grade anthrax.
Alan G. Whicher - Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail.
Died: April 19, 1995
In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, whom died in the bomb blast.
Paul Wilcher - Washington attorney investigating gun running out of Mena, Arkansas.
Died: June 22, 1993
Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever reported by the coroner. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gunrunning out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three weeks before his death.
Ed Willey - Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser
Died: November 30, 1993
Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton. - Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Gareth Williams - MI6 Agent
Died: August 16. 2010
Gareth Williams, an MI6 spy who wored on both sides of the Atlantic, engaged in some unauthorized hacking by breaking into Bill Clinton's database of friends and connections, ostensibly to give to a friend in the media. This breach caused a diplomatic nightmare for MI6's new director, Sir John Sawers. Gareth was found naked, padlocked into a sports bag, in his own bathtub. No fingerprints, palm-prints footprints or traces of William's DNA were found at the scene. The key to the padlock was inside the bag, underneath his body. As usual, declared a suicide! The sheer absurdity of this claim provoked a public uproar, and the promoters of the suicide theory even went so far as to try to demonstrate how Williams could have inserted himself into the bag! But even this charade failed to convince anyone and the police were finally forced to acknowledge William's murder, even to the point of admitting they had two suspects in the crime ... who were never arrested.
John Augustus Wilson - Former Washington DC Council member
Died: May 18, 1993
Wilson claimed to have info on Whitewater, a political controversy that began with the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s, and was willing to talk. Found hanged. Declared a suicide.
Jim Wilhite - Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc.
Died: December 21, 1992
Died in a one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.
Theodore Williams, Jr. - Bettie Currie's brother.
Died: December 16, 1997
A passing car hit the brother of Presidential Secretary Betty Currie after his own car had somehow run off the road. Bill Clinton called Monica Lewinsky at 2:00 AM the next morning to tell her of the death and alert Monica that her named appeared on the Paula Jones witness list. Betty's brother had also been beaten shortly before Betty testified in a previous matter.
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
Clinton bodyguards
Died: February 28, 1993
"executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, "WACO II, the Big Lie Continues," Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade, fired at least two shots into the room. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. A "private physician" treated all four.
Barbara Wise - Commerce Department Staffer
Died: November 29, 1996
As the scandals continued to swirl around the John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office on the fourth floor of the Department of Commerce, partially nude (by one report completely nude) and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced even though an autopsy was conducted (prior to next of kin being notified). Calls to the D.C. autopsist, Dr. Jaardemal have gotten an assurance that the bruises were not from being beaten but nothing else. Despite claims of ongoing illness, no record of a hospital visit in the months leading up to her death has surfaced. Oddly enough, following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in order to complete his inauguration speech.
Richard Winters - Suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry
Died: July 1989
Winters offered to cooperate. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" which was subsequently proven to be a setup.
Dan Harmon, the Prosecutor who Winters reportedly made the offer to, was implicated in the Kevin/Ives deaths and was jailed for running his office as a criminal enterprise to extort narcotics and cash, proof that elements of Arkansas law enforcement were corrupted by drugs during Bill Clinton's tenure as governor.
Terrance Yeakey. - First police officer to arrive at the Murrah Building following the OK City bombing
Died: May 8, 1996
Terrance Yeakey had collected together a vast amount of hard data on the bombing of the Murrah building. Terrance Yeakey's patrol car was found abandoned along a dirt road, the front seat covered with blood. Officer Yeakey himself was found a short distance away, with 11 cut wounds on both arms and two in his throat, plus a gunshot through the head. No gun was ever found, and the death was declared a suicide. His material on the OK City bombing was never found following his death. His life had been threatened.
2RickHarsch
Oh. I see. THAT'S why it's in two parts.
4RickHarsch
>3 lriley: And surely z was the most popular letter!
5JGL53
Still not alleging that the Clintons ever had anyone whacked, nor am I sure all the relevant facts posted in this thread on each person is correct, still I find the case of Jerry Luther Parks interesting and hauntingly strange. So let us consider this one case:
1. Was Jerry Luther Parks a real person? Or is this all made up out of whole cloth?
2. If he was real, was he head of a Clinton security team for several years with access to knowledge about the Clinton's personal lives?
3. Did he produce a dossier on the Clinton's, detailing "dirt" on them, e.g., a ten-year-long affair of HRC and fellow lawyer Vince Foster - the guy who helped her get accepted by the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, then latter served as Deputy Legal Council at the White House?
4. Vince Foster was shot (alleged suicide) on July 21, 1993. Jerry Luther Parks was murdered by being shot four times, execution-style, while driving in his car on September 26, 1993. Is that correct?
5. Allegedly Parks had stated to his wife and other people on several occasions that the Clintons were after him and that he was "a dead man". Is this correct? If so was this based in something real or was it just paranoia?
6. If the reports of his murder are accurate then his death was basically an assassination - is that correct? So WHY was he assassinated?
7. The dossier he allegedly wrote was allegedly stolen. So did all that really happen?
If all of the "facts" stated above are indeed correct then that would not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that either of the Clintons were involved in Parks' murder. However, at the least, someone - let's say without the Clintons' knowledge - murdered Parks and stole the dossier for purposes of helping the Clintons by covering up facts that would be politically harmful to them.
If so then that is a bad thing.
And how can we ever find out the real life story of Mr. Jerry Luther Parks and his unfortunate death?
Well, apparently we never shall.
Just another unsolved murder - a cold case - on the books.
If I were Mr. Parks' widow - or one of his children left without a father - I would go through life with the severe burden of never knowing. Fortunately I am just a disinterested observer.
1. Was Jerry Luther Parks a real person? Or is this all made up out of whole cloth?
2. If he was real, was he head of a Clinton security team for several years with access to knowledge about the Clinton's personal lives?
3. Did he produce a dossier on the Clinton's, detailing "dirt" on them, e.g., a ten-year-long affair of HRC and fellow lawyer Vince Foster - the guy who helped her get accepted by the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, then latter served as Deputy Legal Council at the White House?
4. Vince Foster was shot (alleged suicide) on July 21, 1993. Jerry Luther Parks was murdered by being shot four times, execution-style, while driving in his car on September 26, 1993. Is that correct?
5. Allegedly Parks had stated to his wife and other people on several occasions that the Clintons were after him and that he was "a dead man". Is this correct? If so was this based in something real or was it just paranoia?
6. If the reports of his murder are accurate then his death was basically an assassination - is that correct? So WHY was he assassinated?
7. The dossier he allegedly wrote was allegedly stolen. So did all that really happen?
If all of the "facts" stated above are indeed correct then that would not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that either of the Clintons were involved in Parks' murder. However, at the least, someone - let's say without the Clintons' knowledge - murdered Parks and stole the dossier for purposes of helping the Clintons by covering up facts that would be politically harmful to them.
If so then that is a bad thing.
And how can we ever find out the real life story of Mr. Jerry Luther Parks and his unfortunate death?
Well, apparently we never shall.
Just another unsolved murder - a cold case - on the books.
If I were Mr. Parks' widow - or one of his children left without a father - I would go through life with the severe burden of never knowing. Fortunately I am just a disinterested observer.
6RickHarsch
Let the games begin: This is from the snopes link on the other deathread:
"7. Jerry Parks — former security team member for Governor Clinton. Prior to his death he had compiled an extensive file on Clinton's activities. His family had reported being followed and his home broken into just before being gunned down at a deserted intersection.
On 26 September 1993, Luther (Jerry) Parks was hit with ten bullets from a 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as he left a Mexican restaurant at the edge of Little Rock. His murder remains unsolved.
Parks' security company guarded Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992. Parks' son, Gary, asserted in Circle of Power and The Clinton Chronicles (both video products of Linda Thompson's American Justice Federation) that his father collected a secret file of Clinton's indiscretions, and that his father was using the file to try to blackmail the Clinton campaign. (He also claimed that Vince Foster knew of the file's existence.) Despite these allegations, the younger Parks never produced the mysterious file, and Clyde Steelman, a homicide sergeant with the Little Rock police force, dismissed Gary Parks' theories of his father's death as "unsubstantiated, nothing to grasp." A far more likely suspect in the murder was Jerry Parks' former partner, with whom Parks had quarreled bitterly."
So it looks like you chose well, JGL53: This one remains unsolved and vague.
"7. Jerry Parks — former security team member for Governor Clinton. Prior to his death he had compiled an extensive file on Clinton's activities. His family had reported being followed and his home broken into just before being gunned down at a deserted intersection.
On 26 September 1993, Luther (Jerry) Parks was hit with ten bullets from a 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as he left a Mexican restaurant at the edge of Little Rock. His murder remains unsolved.
Parks' security company guarded Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992. Parks' son, Gary, asserted in Circle of Power and The Clinton Chronicles (both video products of Linda Thompson's American Justice Federation) that his father collected a secret file of Clinton's indiscretions, and that his father was using the file to try to blackmail the Clinton campaign. (He also claimed that Vince Foster knew of the file's existence.) Despite these allegations, the younger Parks never produced the mysterious file, and Clyde Steelman, a homicide sergeant with the Little Rock police force, dismissed Gary Parks' theories of his father's death as "unsubstantiated, nothing to grasp." A far more likely suspect in the murder was Jerry Parks' former partner, with whom Parks had quarreled bitterly."
So it looks like you chose well, JGL53: This one remains unsolved and vague.
7JGL53
> 6
The snopes site referenced on the other "Murder Incorporated" thread would seem to explain many if not most of the many "mysterious" deaths that have been "associated" with the Clintons.
As I said, I think the Clintons are guilty of many very bad things but I certainly don't seriously suspect them of murdering anyone. To suspect that there would really have to be some hard evidence. There doesn't seem to be any.
Apparently there is a good suspect in the case of Jerry Parks - this ex-partner of his with whom he had had a severe falling-out. OK, then. That is a strong possibility of why Mr. Parks got whacked.
It is the rape allegations against Bill Clinton - and the one allegation that HRC attempted to intimidate a victim into silence - that has the smell of truth in it. But still it could be made up also. But powerful men can get away - and get away for decades - with sexually abusing women, or even raping them, we all know - cases in point, Roger Ailes and Bill Cosby.
There does seem to be great similarities between all this Clinton conspiracy theory stuff and the JFK conspiracy stuff.
I happen to be one of those fools who believes that, based on the evidence, it is a beyond all reasonable doubt that L.H. Oswald was the lone nut assassin of JFK.
I have been very much abused by many types of people over the years for my conclusion here. I think even until this day it is a minority opinion.
But it is, IMO, the correct opinion. And I am unanimous in that.
LOL.
The snopes site referenced on the other "Murder Incorporated" thread would seem to explain many if not most of the many "mysterious" deaths that have been "associated" with the Clintons.
As I said, I think the Clintons are guilty of many very bad things but I certainly don't seriously suspect them of murdering anyone. To suspect that there would really have to be some hard evidence. There doesn't seem to be any.
Apparently there is a good suspect in the case of Jerry Parks - this ex-partner of his with whom he had had a severe falling-out. OK, then. That is a strong possibility of why Mr. Parks got whacked.
It is the rape allegations against Bill Clinton - and the one allegation that HRC attempted to intimidate a victim into silence - that has the smell of truth in it. But still it could be made up also. But powerful men can get away - and get away for decades - with sexually abusing women, or even raping them, we all know - cases in point, Roger Ailes and Bill Cosby.
There does seem to be great similarities between all this Clinton conspiracy theory stuff and the JFK conspiracy stuff.
I happen to be one of those fools who believes that, based on the evidence, it is a beyond all reasonable doubt that L.H. Oswald was the lone nut assassin of JFK.
I have been very much abused by many types of people over the years for my conclusion here. I think even until this day it is a minority opinion.
But it is, IMO, the correct opinion. And I am unanimous in that.
LOL.
8RickHarsch
Lone Oswald? That's come to be the majority opinion as the giant Bugliosi book is considered definitive. But I expect a fat counter to it will come out. Before long, to sustain a respected opinion on JFK's shooting you will have to read a 23, 000 page book.
Clinton the rapist? Rape thread, then?
Because I really don't think Parks' partner killed him.
Clinton the rapist? Rape thread, then?
Because I really don't think Parks' partner killed him.
9JGL53
> 8 "... Clinton the rapist? Rape thread, then?..."
The man asks for rape. OK, then, here are the rapes:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/
And if this is ALL MADE UP then I am the unacknowledged Dauphin of France AND the King of England - plus a Pulitzer Prize for Fictional or Fantasy Writing should be awarded to someone somewhere who has one hell of a creative mind and should receive world-wide renown and recognition of his or her outstanding talent.
The man asks for rape. OK, then, here are the rapes:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/
And if this is ALL MADE UP then I am the unacknowledged Dauphin of France AND the King of England - plus a Pulitzer Prize for Fictional or Fantasy Writing should be awarded to someone somewhere who has one hell of a creative mind and should receive world-wide renown and recognition of his or her outstanding talent.
10JGL53
> 8
As to the JFK assassination, the latest information I see on the internet google machine only dates back to 2013 when two national polls gave the per cent of Americans who do not believe L.H. Oswald acted alone in a range of 62 per cent to 75 per cent. I ran these figures through my calculator and turns out that this constitutes a majority.
Well, I am not totally alone in having the wool pulled over my eyes by the conspirators, whoever the hell they are - I definitely seem to be in a minority though.
But my peeps and I outnumber Blacks - or Hispanics - or gay/lesbian/transgender - so I think we should not be totally disrespected and ignored. Is there not already enough bigotry in this world? I ax you?
As to the JFK assassination, the latest information I see on the internet google machine only dates back to 2013 when two national polls gave the per cent of Americans who do not believe L.H. Oswald acted alone in a range of 62 per cent to 75 per cent. I ran these figures through my calculator and turns out that this constitutes a majority.
Well, I am not totally alone in having the wool pulled over my eyes by the conspirators, whoever the hell they are - I definitely seem to be in a minority though.
But my peeps and I outnumber Blacks - or Hispanics - or gay/lesbian/transgender - so I think we should not be totally disrespected and ignored. Is there not already enough bigotry in this world? I ax you?
11davidgn
(moved from other, wrong thread)
If we're going to talk JFK... well, I'm not in the mood. But I do highly recommend this 2013 NPR interview by the ever-scintillating Christopher Lydon on his Radio Open Source with the author James Douglass, whose book JFK and the Unspeakable had recently come out. A very meditative look at the question, largely as seen through the eyes of the great Trappist monk Thomas Merton, and written by a Catholic theologian.
http://radioopensource.org/james-douglass-jfk-and-the-unspeakable-part-one/
ETA
I've never looked terribly deeply into the JFK question. Perhaps you can chalk that up to my having been born more than a generation after JFK was already in the ground. I have a cursory familiarity with some of the literature, though, despite having actually read next to none of it, pro or con. So:
For criticism of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History and the "definitive volume" preceding it, Gerald Posner's Case Closed, see here (ETA: link corrected) (particularly UC-Berkeley Prof. Peter Dale Scott's comment) for the former (from 2007 or so) and here for the latter (from 1993, I believe).
ETA
One rather telling nugget I have gleaned from the fallout of the JFK case, however, is NYU Media Professor Mark Crispin Miller's discovery that the term "conspiracy theory" (ETA: in its present, ubiquitous use) was coined (ETA:or, at any rate, given currency) and promoted by the CIA as part of a public relations effort to counter public criticism of the Warren Report. The best citation I can give you on that off the top of my head is via this blog post (don't know the blog and can't endorse it, but I do endorse the post). Obviously a memetic gift that kept on giving!
This history is apparently explored further by Florida State University academic Lance deHaven Smith in his Conspiracy Theory in America, which I keep meaning to read. (When I feel that urge, I always end up reading something by Scott instead, as he's by far the more profound thinker. Here's an academic journal article in which Scott critiques Smith's notion of SCADs -- State Crimes Against Democracy -- as presented in Smith's watershed article in American Behavioral Scientist).
ETA: And if you need help contextualizing the "Strategy of Tension" with reference to which Scott opens the article, try these two journal articles from Swiss historian Prof. Daniele Ganser (ETH-Zurich/University of Basel), which are best read in tandem: "Terrorism in Western Europe" (published in The Whitehead Journal of Diplomacy and International Relations) and "Fear as a Weapon", published in World Affairs. (Ganser is also the author of the seminal NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe). ETA: Or, if you prefer the Beeb, watch the essential BBC2 Timewatch documentary series Operation Gladio by Allan Francovich, which aired in 1992 -- during that brief period of uncertainty after the end of the Cold War when such things could be aired (at least in the UK). Here's all three parts in a single YouTube video.
So, there you have your breadcrumb trail. Follow it or don't.
If we're going to talk JFK... well, I'm not in the mood. But I do highly recommend this 2013 NPR interview by the ever-scintillating Christopher Lydon on his Radio Open Source with the author James Douglass, whose book JFK and the Unspeakable had recently come out. A very meditative look at the question, largely as seen through the eyes of the great Trappist monk Thomas Merton, and written by a Catholic theologian.
http://radioopensource.org/james-douglass-jfk-and-the-unspeakable-part-one/
ETA
I've never looked terribly deeply into the JFK question. Perhaps you can chalk that up to my having been born more than a generation after JFK was already in the ground. I have a cursory familiarity with some of the literature, though, despite having actually read next to none of it, pro or con. So:
For criticism of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History and the "definitive volume" preceding it, Gerald Posner's Case Closed, see here (ETA: link corrected) (particularly UC-Berkeley Prof. Peter Dale Scott's comment) for the former (from 2007 or so) and here for the latter (from 1993, I believe).
ETA
One rather telling nugget I have gleaned from the fallout of the JFK case, however, is NYU Media Professor Mark Crispin Miller's discovery that the term "conspiracy theory" (ETA: in its present, ubiquitous use) was coined (ETA:or, at any rate, given currency) and promoted by the CIA as part of a public relations effort to counter public criticism of the Warren Report. The best citation I can give you on that off the top of my head is via this blog post (don't know the blog and can't endorse it, but I do endorse the post). Obviously a memetic gift that kept on giving!
This history is apparently explored further by Florida State University academic Lance deHaven Smith in his Conspiracy Theory in America, which I keep meaning to read. (When I feel that urge, I always end up reading something by Scott instead, as he's by far the more profound thinker. Here's an academic journal article in which Scott critiques Smith's notion of SCADs -- State Crimes Against Democracy -- as presented in Smith's watershed article in American Behavioral Scientist).
ETA: And if you need help contextualizing the "Strategy of Tension" with reference to which Scott opens the article, try these two journal articles from Swiss historian Prof. Daniele Ganser (ETH-Zurich/University of Basel), which are best read in tandem: "Terrorism in Western Europe" (published in The Whitehead Journal of Diplomacy and International Relations) and "Fear as a Weapon", published in World Affairs. (Ganser is also the author of the seminal NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe). ETA: Or, if you prefer the Beeb, watch the essential BBC2 Timewatch documentary series Operation Gladio by Allan Francovich, which aired in 1992 -- during that brief period of uncertainty after the end of the Cold War when such things could be aired (at least in the UK). Here's all three parts in a single YouTube video.
So, there you have your breadcrumb trail. Follow it or don't.
12RickHarsch
>9 JGL53: Pretty short list from what I hear.
>10 JGL53: Woops. I guess there's a conspiracy among lone gunmen theorists who want us to believe they are in the majority.
>10 JGL53: Woops. I guess there's a conspiracy among lone gunmen theorists who want us to believe they are in the majority.
13lriley
I certainly wouldn't put it past the CIA (or even rogue CIA agents) to have plotted and planned JFK's murder.
14JGL53
> 12 "Pretty short list from what I hear."
This was only a partial list. They want you to buy the book in order to get all the information. Capitalism at work.
Also, even if there were only one - I don't think you would have to be a member of NOW to find that one too many.
> 12 "Woops. I guess there's a conspiracy among lone gunmen theorists who want us to believe they are in the majority.'
Better leave the jokes to me. That fell as flat as my grandma's chest.
This was only a partial list. They want you to buy the book in order to get all the information. Capitalism at work.
Also, even if there were only one - I don't think you would have to be a member of NOW to find that one too many.
> 12 "Woops. I guess there's a conspiracy among lone gunmen theorists who want us to believe they are in the majority.'
Better leave the jokes to me. That fell as flat as my grandma's chest.
15JGL53
> 13
I would agree that the CIA is pretty much capable of any nefarious action we could imagine and probably capable of types of perfidy of which we can not imagine.
But that is beside the point. The point is that all evidence in the JFK case points to the lone nut assassin Lee Harvey Oswald as the sole perp.
Anyone arguing against that conclusion at this point argues from ignorance.
Since such ignorance has long lost its potential for humor for me and just bores me to an incredible degree I will leave the conspiracy speculation to the conspiracy nuts - who remind me of our friends the fundamentalist christians - ignorant and not even aware of how ignorant they truly are - ignorance multiplied by itself - gorged with ignorance cake slathered with ignorance icing plus an cherry of ignorance on top. Hillbilly ignorance.
I would agree that the CIA is pretty much capable of any nefarious action we could imagine and probably capable of types of perfidy of which we can not imagine.
But that is beside the point. The point is that all evidence in the JFK case points to the lone nut assassin Lee Harvey Oswald as the sole perp.
Anyone arguing against that conclusion at this point argues from ignorance.
Since such ignorance has long lost its potential for humor for me and just bores me to an incredible degree I will leave the conspiracy speculation to the conspiracy nuts - who remind me of our friends the fundamentalist christians - ignorant and not even aware of how ignorant they truly are - ignorance multiplied by itself - gorged with ignorance cake slathered with ignorance icing plus an cherry of ignorance on top. Hillbilly ignorance.
16davidgn
>15 JGL53: Wow, that's some certainty you've got there. Please enlighten me as to what research led you to this conclusion.
17JGL53
> 16
If we are going to waste my time on a settled issue then why don't we approach it this way - you provide me with substantiated evidence that strongly contradicts all the evidence that LHO was the lone nut assassin - evidence that would cause a person dedicated to being objective - like a member of a jury - to strongly suspect that conspiracy (or two or more persons, including LHO or not) is the most reasonable theory.
Let us say that if you cannot do that - then the verdict of the Warren Commission stands.
If you can do that then, wow, that would be quite impressive to all of us I am sure.
So knock yourself out, david.
(And just to be clear - someone's proffered 'argument from incredulity' does not constitute acceptable proof - feelings, intuition and sheer opinion do not count.)
If we are going to waste my time on a settled issue then why don't we approach it this way - you provide me with substantiated evidence that strongly contradicts all the evidence that LHO was the lone nut assassin - evidence that would cause a person dedicated to being objective - like a member of a jury - to strongly suspect that conspiracy (or two or more persons, including LHO or not) is the most reasonable theory.
Let us say that if you cannot do that - then the verdict of the Warren Commission stands.
If you can do that then, wow, that would be quite impressive to all of us I am sure.
So knock yourself out, david.
(And just to be clear - someone's proffered 'argument from incredulity' does not constitute acceptable proof - feelings, intuition and sheer opinion do not count.)
18davidgn
>17 JGL53: As I said: not a field I've properly studied, so I'm not the person to ask. You'll forgive me, though, if I decide not to take your bald pronouncements as authoritative.
Let's leave it there.
Let's leave it there.
19JGL53
> 18
No, not quite there:
1. Your proffered ignorance of the matter is accepted. But I am not your paid teacher. Do your own research before you bother other people unnecessarily, please.
2. As an e.g., my stated opinion on the N.B. Simpson/R. Goldman murders is always "O.J. Simpson did it."
I will proffer this opinion to anyone anytime anywhere without the least bit of doubt on my part or embarrassment at not using qualifiers.
This opinion will not be offered up as an example of some "bald pronouncements as authoritative" - it will be the opinion I would imagine any intelligent, rational, informed person would pretty much agree with without much hullaballoo.
My position on the JFK assassination is the same. I cannot help it if ignorance of the facts of the case abound in our present society (you apparently are a good example of which I speak).
I owe NOTHING to people who feel compelled to make a case for something based on their sheer ignorance of the facts.
So how about it if YOU don't bring up this issue again? That decision would seem best for you - obviously - and certainly best for those of us who do not wish to waste our time on someone's expressions of skepticism based in ignorance.
No, not quite there:
1. Your proffered ignorance of the matter is accepted. But I am not your paid teacher. Do your own research before you bother other people unnecessarily, please.
2. As an e.g., my stated opinion on the N.B. Simpson/R. Goldman murders is always "O.J. Simpson did it."
I will proffer this opinion to anyone anytime anywhere without the least bit of doubt on my part or embarrassment at not using qualifiers.
This opinion will not be offered up as an example of some "bald pronouncements as authoritative" - it will be the opinion I would imagine any intelligent, rational, informed person would pretty much agree with without much hullaballoo.
My position on the JFK assassination is the same. I cannot help it if ignorance of the facts of the case abound in our present society (you apparently are a good example of which I speak).
I owe NOTHING to people who feel compelled to make a case for something based on their sheer ignorance of the facts.
So how about it if YOU don't bring up this issue again? That decision would seem best for you - obviously - and certainly best for those of us who do not wish to waste our time on someone's expressions of skepticism based in ignorance.
20davidgn
>19 JGL53: Bravo. A post I shall return to religiously at any point when it might occur to me to question conventional received wisdom.
21JGL53
> 20
Yes, please feel free to borrow my sound logic and use it as a template for constructing a refutation of any type of "conventional received wisdom", especially those based in sheer ignorance, such as "The JFK assassination must have been a conspiracy, probably a government conspiracy, because so many people believe so."
That kind of conventional wisdom is almost always discovered to be bullshit upon rational examination.
Yes, please feel free to borrow my sound logic and use it as a template for constructing a refutation of any type of "conventional received wisdom", especially those based in sheer ignorance, such as "The JFK assassination must have been a conspiracy, probably a government conspiracy, because so many people believe so."
That kind of conventional wisdom is almost always discovered to be bullshit upon rational examination.
22RickHarsch
>22 RickHarsch: I have to apologize here, JGL35, because it seems from the moment you told me to leave the humor to you, your sense of humor vanished. Touchy subject, I guess.
Now, back to those dropping like flies around Clintons...
Now, back to those dropping like flies around Clintons...
23JGL53
> 22
Humor used in reference to the JFK assassination seems to be a touchy subject for many. I don't view it as much of a laughing matter myself. Early deaths of some unfortunate nature seemed to stalk the Kennedy family for many years and I feel for them. I think I would rather be poor and powerless but still breathing - on the whole, in contrast.
Are you familiar with Paul Krassner? He has had a successful career in the writing and editing industries in spite of his really sick sense of humor. I think he wrote for Mad magazine at one point. Anyway, years ago he published a column in a magazine he edited wherein he told about LBJ having sexual intercourse with the hole in JFK's throat while on the plane carrying the body back to Washington, D.C. He told it straight up as if it were a true story.
Some people actually believed it to be true. Many, many people, some famous, wrote denouncing articles in various papers and magazine referring to Krassner in some pretty harsh and despicable terms. The outrage literally jumped off the page of some of the denouncements.
Just be glad my sense of humor stops somewhere south of that degree. I am kind of sensitive in some ways and my GI tract does rather spasm when confronted with concepts such as atypical necrophilia. E.g., I just finished a book entitled "Apocalypse Culture" which is very morbidly schizophrenic and I'm going to give my brain a couple of months rest before I tackle "Apocalypse Culture II". lol.
Humor used in reference to the JFK assassination seems to be a touchy subject for many. I don't view it as much of a laughing matter myself. Early deaths of some unfortunate nature seemed to stalk the Kennedy family for many years and I feel for them. I think I would rather be poor and powerless but still breathing - on the whole, in contrast.
Are you familiar with Paul Krassner? He has had a successful career in the writing and editing industries in spite of his really sick sense of humor. I think he wrote for Mad magazine at one point. Anyway, years ago he published a column in a magazine he edited wherein he told about LBJ having sexual intercourse with the hole in JFK's throat while on the plane carrying the body back to Washington, D.C. He told it straight up as if it were a true story.
Some people actually believed it to be true. Many, many people, some famous, wrote denouncing articles in various papers and magazine referring to Krassner in some pretty harsh and despicable terms. The outrage literally jumped off the page of some of the denouncements.
Just be glad my sense of humor stops somewhere south of that degree. I am kind of sensitive in some ways and my GI tract does rather spasm when confronted with concepts such as atypical necrophilia. E.g., I just finished a book entitled "Apocalypse Culture" which is very morbidly schizophrenic and I'm going to give my brain a couple of months rest before I tackle "Apocalypse Culture II". lol.
24JGL53
Ok, back to the Clintons -
The website I referenced in post # 9 has a 25 minute video down toward the end of the page that details a whole host of alleged misdeeds and alleged criminals acts by the Clintons, starting back in their Arkansas days and through and beyond HRC being Sec. of State. Here it is again:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/
I wonder if these allegations have been researched by Snopes? If so I would be amazed if they gave the Clinton's a 100 per cent clean bill of health. Some of the lies alleged to have been uttered by HRC seems to be fairly substantiated and not just made up by the "vast right wing conspiracy" - but who knows - I suppose it could in theory be ALL a giant frame-up and the Clintons are the modern day equivalents of Albert Schweitzer and Florence Nightingale.
lol.
The website I referenced in post # 9 has a 25 minute video down toward the end of the page that details a whole host of alleged misdeeds and alleged criminals acts by the Clintons, starting back in their Arkansas days and through and beyond HRC being Sec. of State. Here it is again:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/
I wonder if these allegations have been researched by Snopes? If so I would be amazed if they gave the Clinton's a 100 per cent clean bill of health. Some of the lies alleged to have been uttered by HRC seems to be fairly substantiated and not just made up by the "vast right wing conspiracy" - but who knows - I suppose it could in theory be ALL a giant frame-up and the Clintons are the modern day equivalents of Albert Schweitzer and Florence Nightingale.
lol.
25RickHarsch
>25 RickHarsch: Again, it's subject to debate and all, but you seem to be with the majority in preferring typical necrophilia.
26JGL53
> 25
Actually I claim no expertise concerning necrophilia. I was only assuming most necrophiliacs don't do it in bullet holes but stick to normally occurring openings in the body. But the (proverbial) they say "never assume", don't they?
But here's a question - is necrophilic homosexual anal sex atypical necrophilia?
Sam Kinison probably believed it is - or so this comedy routine would seem to indicate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0sNZ5M1nE
Actually I claim no expertise concerning necrophilia. I was only assuming most necrophiliacs don't do it in bullet holes but stick to normally occurring openings in the body. But the (proverbial) they say "never assume", don't they?
But here's a question - is necrophilic homosexual anal sex atypical necrophilia?
Sam Kinison probably believed it is - or so this comedy routine would seem to indicate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0sNZ5M1nE
