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1barney67
Who's to blame? You. And you still haven't learned from the election. Here's some advice from the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism...
"The media's newfound, almost anthropological, interest in the angry white male reveals as much about the state of our liberalism as it does about this much maligned, and previously ignored, figure. A convenient liberal interpretation of the recent presidential election would have it that Mr. Trump won in large part because he managed to transform economic disadvantage into racial rage — the "whitelash" thesis. This is convenient because it sanctions a conviction of moral superiority and allows liberals to ignore what those voters said were their overriding concerns."
"Finally, the whitelash thesis is convenient because it absolves liberals of not recognizing how their own obsession with diversity has encouraged white, rural, religious Americans to think of themselves as a disadvantaged group whose identity is being threatened or ignored. Such people are not actually reacting against the reality of our diverse America (they tend, after all, to live in homogeneous areas of the country). But they are reacting against the omnipresent rhetoric of identity, which is what they mean by "political correctness." Liberals should bear in mind that the first identity movement in American politics was the Ku Klux Klan, which still exists. Those who play the identity game should be prepared to lose it."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism...
"The media's newfound, almost anthropological, interest in the angry white male reveals as much about the state of our liberalism as it does about this much maligned, and previously ignored, figure. A convenient liberal interpretation of the recent presidential election would have it that Mr. Trump won in large part because he managed to transform economic disadvantage into racial rage — the "whitelash" thesis. This is convenient because it sanctions a conviction of moral superiority and allows liberals to ignore what those voters said were their overriding concerns."
"Finally, the whitelash thesis is convenient because it absolves liberals of not recognizing how their own obsession with diversity has encouraged white, rural, religious Americans to think of themselves as a disadvantaged group whose identity is being threatened or ignored. Such people are not actually reacting against the reality of our diverse America (they tend, after all, to live in homogeneous areas of the country). But they are reacting against the omnipresent rhetoric of identity, which is what they mean by "political correctness." Liberals should bear in mind that the first identity movement in American politics was the Ku Klux Klan, which still exists. Those who play the identity game should be prepared to lose it."
2barney67
"It is a truism that America has become a more diverse country. It is also a beautiful thing to watch. Visitors from other countries, particularly those having trouble incorporating different ethnic groups and faiths, are amazed that we manage to pull it off. Not perfectly, of course, but CERTAINLY BETTER THAN ANY EUROPEAN OR ASIAN NATION today. It's an extraordinary success story."
I have said this many times here, as recently as during the past year. The quote is from a liberal. That means it's OK for you to agree with him, sheeple.
"In recent years American liberalism has slipped into a kind of moral panic about racial, gender and sexual identity that has distorted liberalism’s message and prevented it from becoming a unifying force capable of governing."
"If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don’t, those left out will notice and feel excluded."
"But the fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life. At a very young age our children are being encouraged to talk about their individual identities, even before they have them."
"Fox News and other conservative media outlets make great sport of mocking the “campus craziness” that surrounds such issues, and more often than not they are right to."
"Recently I performed a little experiment during a sabbatical in France: For a full year I read only European publications, not American ones. My thought was to try seeing the world as European readers did. But it was far more instructive to return home and realize how the lens of identity has transformed American reporting in recent years. How often, for example, the laziest story in American journalism — about the “first X to do Y” — is told and retold. Fascination with the identity drama has even affected foreign reporting, which is in distressingly short supply. However interesting it may be to read, say, about the fate of transgender people in Egypt, IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING to educating Americans about the powerful political and religious currents that will determine Egypt’s future, and indirectly, our own. No major news outlet in Europe would think of adopting such a focus."
I have said this many times here, as recently as during the past year. The quote is from a liberal. That means it's OK for you to agree with him, sheeple.
"In recent years American liberalism has slipped into a kind of moral panic about racial, gender and sexual identity that has distorted liberalism’s message and prevented it from becoming a unifying force capable of governing."
"If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don’t, those left out will notice and feel excluded."
"But the fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life. At a very young age our children are being encouraged to talk about their individual identities, even before they have them."
"Fox News and other conservative media outlets make great sport of mocking the “campus craziness” that surrounds such issues, and more often than not they are right to."
"Recently I performed a little experiment during a sabbatical in France: For a full year I read only European publications, not American ones. My thought was to try seeing the world as European readers did. But it was far more instructive to return home and realize how the lens of identity has transformed American reporting in recent years. How often, for example, the laziest story in American journalism — about the “first X to do Y” — is told and retold. Fascination with the identity drama has even affected foreign reporting, which is in distressingly short supply. However interesting it may be to read, say, about the fate of transgender people in Egypt, IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING to educating Americans about the powerful political and religious currents that will determine Egypt’s future, and indirectly, our own. No major news outlet in Europe would think of adopting such a focus."
4RickHarsch
>3 theoria: I think you just volunteered.
6StormRaven
I love the fact that the article barney quotes directly contradicts itself just in the space of the quoted portion.
7John5918
>2 barney67: CERTAINLY BETTER THAN ANY EUROPEAN OR ASIAN NATION
That's a very big claim in capital letters which almost certainly needs to be unpacked and some evidence provided.
That's a very big claim in capital letters which almost certainly needs to be unpacked and some evidence provided.
8barney67
Ask the author.
It's so obvious. Think about it. Are you American? Are you familiar with America and its history? Are your sure? Then you should have no trouble with the answer.
It's so obvious. Think about it. Are you American? Are you familiar with America and its history? Are your sure? Then you should have no trouble with the answer.
9RickHarsch
>8 barney67: I think the fellow is asking you, and I think he is from the UK so he might be unaware of the Herrenvolk over your way.
10John5918
>8 barney67: It's so obvious.
It may be obvious to you, but any chance you could condescend to let the rest of us into the secret?
Are you American? Are you familiar with America and its history?
No, but as you well know from a previous thread where you told the rest of the world that we have no knowledge of the USA, I have lived in the USA and visited regularly over the last 25 years, so I would say I am not speaking from complete ignorance.
Are your sure?
Ate you sure that you really know the USA and its history? I find that in most countries including the USA many people assume that the dominant national myth or narrative is in fact a comprehensive history. A lot of what you write seems to make that assumption. Incidentally, that is one of the great values of an outsider's view of things which insiders take for granted. What is "so obvious" to someone steeped in the myth is actually not very obvious at all when one thinks about it and interrogates it in the light of actual facts and evidence, and particularly when one also pulls in minority voices from within the group.
It may be obvious to you, but any chance you could condescend to let the rest of us into the secret?
Are you American? Are you familiar with America and its history?
No, but as you well know from a previous thread where you told the rest of the world that we have no knowledge of the USA, I have lived in the USA and visited regularly over the last 25 years, so I would say I am not speaking from complete ignorance.
Are your sure?
Ate you sure that you really know the USA and its history? I find that in most countries including the USA many people assume that the dominant national myth or narrative is in fact a comprehensive history. A lot of what you write seems to make that assumption. Incidentally, that is one of the great values of an outsider's view of things which insiders take for granted. What is "so obvious" to someone steeped in the myth is actually not very obvious at all when one thinks about it and interrogates it in the light of actual facts and evidence, and particularly when one also pulls in minority voices from within the group.
