Kathy Griffin outrages trump's sense of decorum. Right.

Well, there sure is one woman Agent Orange would think twice about before grabbing her pussy because "famous people can just do that without asking." With Agent Orange as president there are NO standards. ANY proffered outrage is by definition fake outrage. My only disappointment in all this is Kathy Griffin apologizing. I thought she had balls. Apparently not. Agent Orange NEVER apologizes for anything. Narcissistic scumbags don't do apology. E.g., if John McCain is waiting for Agent Orange to apologize for dissing POWs then he is getting more senile now than I imagined.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/05/31/kathy-griffins-photo-shoot-with-...

KG is the Dems' Ann Coulter!!!
GOPers never rant against AC's outrageous comments.

Sorry, but she went too far. As a fan, I'm glad she showed some guts and apologized.

Of course, Trump won't acknowledge the apology.

I don't think she has anything to apologize for at all. At worst it's a little bit of bad taste. Still she's not going to fuck 23 million people into no health insurance coverage--is she? The guy with the phony (sliced off) head will do that--no problem and not lose a moment's sleep over it. Not that CNN (who fired her) cares about people losing their coverage either. But the people at CNN are nothing but dicks anyway. Unfortunately it seems she's worried about her career. Careers can come and go but if you've got enough cash in the bank account to last you several years (which I assume she does) who the fuck cares. Take a vacation--wait for better days. If I was her I'd give them all the finger.

Facebook post graphically reminds us:

Y'all mad about this (photo of Kathy Griffin holding replica of Trump's bloodied head),
but didn't give a damn about this (various images of violence and lynching Obama).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154936857233800&set=a.101501189821...

Lest we forget!

#6--we might mention that Ted Nugent on numerous occasions used life threatening language towards Barack Obama. Saying shit such as Barack could suck on his machine gun. There was outrage over that as well primarily from the center going leftwards but very very little from the center going rightwards and Nugent has already been a special guest of the Trump's at the White House.

I would point out how particularly sensitive this POTUS or administration is to any kind of slight.....and after 8 years of hammering the fuck out of Obama. (Not that Obama was a very good president IMO and wasn't deserving of major critique on a number of issues but even so). You run for and you attain that kind of high office you should expect that people with opposing viewpoints are not going to make it easy for you. Trump himself did much to keep the stupid and ridiculous birther thing alive---which had not a thing to do with politics or policy and which was really nothing other than spite and racism. He used the media as a hammer and now complains when he gets hammered back. WTF Donald!? Grow up.

Trump had a song about lynching at his fucking inauguration, beamed to the world. He can go hang.

I would be happy to agree ten thousand ways that Trump is an idiot, monster, fool, threat, sexist, etc. That's given. But wherever this is discussed on the left, you get a shower of what-about-ism. Sure this is tacky but what about Trump's comments on women? What about birtherism? What about this and that.

I consider this a good test, really. Do you have principles, or are you just on some angry, unprincipled team? Do you have some sort of moral and intellectual yard stick, some ability to moderate your partisanship for good reasons, or are you essentially, well, Trump?

>8 timspalding: I'm willing to bet that you could take a step back from that post, Spalding, and see how unclear it is and present it again in a way that makes sense. (For now I leave aside the bizarre plaint about 'what-about-ism' {you REALLY couldn't find a way to put it?}, which I believe must be your own parochial issue--I don't come across it. So how are you testing people...and WHAT are you talking about?

>8 timspalding: >9 RickHarsch: This might help.
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/843241127310442496

>10 davidgn: Thanks, so essentially it is yet another asinine manifestation of hip in a hipless age (not to suggest I'm hip happy).

>11 RickHarsch: Basically. Very au courant.

Kathy Griffin is an idiot, not much distinguished from all the other idiotic celebrities. But any excuse to get outraged. The unending tide of outrage on both sides is what's exhausting me.

No one who wasn't outraged about the gajilion slurs, death threats and murders-in-effigy that Obama and candidate Clinton suffered has a shit to complain about.

>9 RickHarsch:

For now I leave aside the bizarre plaint about 'what-about-ism' {you REALLY couldn't find a way to put it?}

It's a term. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Trump is a big fan of this technique--NPR did a story on it ( http://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520435073/trump-embraces-one-of-russias-favorite-p... ).

"President Trump has developed a consistent tactic when he's criticized: say that someone else is worse."

As usual with these things, Trump's worst critics mirror his flaws.

>14 LolaWalser:

Do we judge actions based on who's offended or what's offensive?

The only hominids I would expect to be offended or outraged by Griffin's performance art are the brainless nincompoops who actually voted for Agent Orange and are still glad they did. I shit on such people.

As for anyone else being offended - well, those would be brainless goobers also, apparently.

As alluded to above, President Obama was subject to thousands of actual death threats, most on line. Compared to all that what Griffin did is peanuts.

I think that about covers the situation.

>16 JGL53:

Brainless goobers, apparently:

Al Franken: "After hearing from many Minnesotans who were rightfully offended, I've come to the conclusion that it would be best for her not to participate in the event we had previously scheduled. I understand why Minnesotans were upset by this, and I take that very seriously."

Chelsea Clinton: "This is vile and wrong."

Keith Olberman: "Nope. Too much. By a very long distance, way too much."

Anderson Cooper: "For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate."

Gabrielle Giffords: "This image is vile and uncalled for."

etc.

etc.

It's probably telling that the first thing that came to my mind when I heard about this kerfluffle was: "Who the hell is Kathy Griffin?"

I shit on such people.

Chelsea Clinton has suffered enough. Must you shit on her?

>17 cpg: It's all part of the outrage culture. If they didn't make such statements, there would be outrage at their lack of outrage.

In a sane world, everyone would ignore such blatant stunts.

Donald Jr inherits Dad's way of thinking/ignorance/martyr-syndrome. (No politician in history has been treated worse.)

...Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr., (tweeted) "...Imagine a conservative did this to Obama as POTUS?”...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/02/kathy-griffin-will...

#8--Not that numerous of the Donald's targets over the past couple years aren't complete jerks but pretty much two full years of his insults and bullying and narcissistic behavior--his lack of any content or nuance on anything--particularly if it's the welfare of those he claims he wants to represent. The teflon Don. It's alright for him to insult and badger but not alright for him to take it--and especially now that he's pre$ident of the United $tate$. Must respect the office of the pre$ident and the in$titution$ of govt. particularly the role of commander in chief....but the thing is he's been a dick his entire life and he's a dick now and the government IMO has been failing its people for decades and sooner or later there's quid pro quo. Nothing's really changed in that regard. I don't have to respect him at all. What other people do is up to them and if I find humor in Kathy Griffin's bleeding head that's my problem. It only becomes your problem if you want to make an issue of it. And if you really want grotesque--him elbowing aside the leader of Montenegro the other day so he could do his Caesar pose pretty much wins first prize. He's a clown. Fuck Donald Trump.

And by the way I'm not sure I'm on anybody's team.

22: Its pretty obvious that you've been on team Trump for the last year or so. You claim not to be, but it is clear that you are.

ISIS Condemns Kathy Griffin For Cultural Appropriation.

#23---it's pretty obvious you are a ........

> 17

Sorry. I meant to include only nobodies like you and me and all the other nobodies in the world as potential goobers if they offered up fake outrage at Griffin's performance art - or if they like Agent Orange.

TITS - Celebrities, especially politicians, are excepted from the rule as no one will ever know their real opinions on any item in the news. They must fake outrage at "controversial" events - it is part of what they must do to maintain the level of popularity they need to be successful.

So, then, e.g., I like both Al Franken and Keith Olberman a lot. I hope Franken runs for POTUS in 2020 and gets elected. And I would like to see Olberman get a job somewhere as a newscaster (what he is doing now doesn't count, IMO - lol).

I don't blame either for their statements. They had to take the position they did. If I were a politician or celebrity I suppose I would do the same - or I guess I wouldn't be a politician or celebrity for very long.

> 18

I find her a relatively funny comedienne. She is one of my SO's favorites.

> 19

Yes, I do. But if Chelsea Clinton were German then, well, no - since in that case she would probably enjoy it.

> 20

True. But there is an ongoing and never-ending political war in the U.S. and all bets seem to be off. Fake outrage will continue apace. It has become one of the top political tactics, especially on the right.

- I stopped following this story when Griffin apologized - and now in passing I see pictures of her in the news with her crying. I'm loosing all respect for her because of her caving in to the fake outrage. If Bill Maher does this in response to fake outrage to his use of the "N-word" then I will be actually outraged. If Maher caves then I guess every-fucking-body will cave and then the only hero left for me will be my god damn dog.

>15 timspalding:

'It's a term. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism'. To that, which is new to me, I answer: 'you REALLY couldn't find a way to put it?'

And of course you whataboutted my ignorance of the term in order to avoid the problem of your incoherent post.

>22 lriley: >23 StormRaven:

Thanks Iriley for putting that in perspective: though I think Trump made more of a Mussolini face after pushing past the Montenegrin.

Stormraven, you are utterly off the rails if you think that Iriley is for Trump in any way whatsoever and if you have concocted a formula that by inserting the Iriley-data makes of him a Trump supporter, then you operate under the hindrance of derangement.

And of course you whataboutted my ignorance of the term in order to avoid the problem of your incoherent post.

You don't understand a word--indeed, imply I made it up. I help you to understand it. You still don't understand it? Well, okay.

>29 timspalding: Yes, it is a term and I understand it. I did not imply that you made it up. I suggested that you hypcocritically use the same method of deflection as you did not answer the gist of my post.
I admitted my ignorance, but I find it a childish term so suggest you use your brain and your given language with some pride.

Let's see if I can explain a difference that even the meanest intellect can discern -

1. The "joke" that Bill Maher offered up, containing the actual N-word - Maher being a liberal who gave 1 million dollars to the Obama campaign (how many of his critics ever gave 1 million dollars to a Black person?) - this joke was rather bizarre, IMO. but only a dumbass would think it was racist. So, this is not about race, it is about intelligence vs. The Stupid.

2. Here is a perfect example of an inappropriate and racist use of the actual N-word, with the racist fool who uttered it pretty quickly receiving the appropriate comeuppance:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-resigns-blaming-flint-water-201119638.html

Now, if there is Still anyone who cannot understand the difference then I don't know - maybe you are just too dumb to live. Maybe if the Lord took you right now it would not be that much of a loss to the human race.

>31 JGL53:

Here's the best piece I've read so far on the Bill Maher thing:

https://nyti.ms/2rH1LHS

I don't know. To me it was just kind of Bill Maher being Bill Maher. Being outrageous and going right up to line of being offensive (and sometimes crossing over it) is what he does; that's his shtick. I wasn't terribly offended by what he said, but I've never been called a n***** in my life, so I'm not the one who he (or anyone else) has to worry about offending (I did get called a "black son of a bitch" one time by a developmentally disabled gentleman that I used to work with, though - no lie!).

The entire Flint debacle was and is, in its entirety, just beyond the fucking pale. Rachel Maddow covered it on her show from pretty much the beginning, and I remember thinking every time she had a segment on it on, "This is happening in America? In the 21st century?"

>32 artturnerjr: Yes it is. As is this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-resigns-blaming-flint-water-201119638.html

> 33

Apparently davidgn has me blocked. That is probably one of the many reasons he is behind the eight ball most of the time.

lol.

>34 JGL53: Heh. No, I don't have you blocked. I'm just preoccupied. :-p