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1SqueakyChu
May 26, 2018, 1:31 pm

For those new to this challenge: More info and monthly index can be found in post #1 of this thread or this TIOLI FAQS wiki.

Simple directions for posting to the wiki can be found at the bottom of each month's wiki page.


...logo by cyderry

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Your TIOLI Challenge for June, 2018, is to...

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Read a book of short stories (fiction) by an author who was born in Canada
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Please list the city and/or province in which the author was born. Thanks!

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Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):

1. The June 2018 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. FYI: This is not meant to be competitive - only fun!
2. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges - You may use this reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, just make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it.

2SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 6, 2018, 11:03 am

Wiki Index of Challenges:

Challenges #1-6
1. Read a book of short stories by an author born in Canada - msg #1
2. Read a book that is dedicated to the author's father - msg #3
3. Read a book with a cryptogram of D-A-D hidden in its title - msg #4
4. Read a book from Public Broadcasting System network's The Great American Read - msg #5
5. Read a book about the environment - msg #9
6. Read a book with a body of water on the front cover - msg #10

Challenges #7-12
7. Read a book where the author's last name is also a noun - msg #11
8. Read a book with the name of a house or property in the title - msg #12
9. Read a book set in at least three different time periods - msg #13
10. Read a book where the author's name has the same vowel in first and last name - msg #20
11. Read a book connected to a circus act, name the act - msg #23
12. Read a book that takes place in or around a beach/ocean - msg #24

Challenges #13-18
13. Read a book from a series of more than 5 published books which is not the first in timeline or written order - msg #36
14. Read a book where the author's surname matches an ancestral surname - msg #37
15. The Parts of Speech Rolling Challenge - msg #43
16. Read a book which would have been a shared read in this year - msg #57
17. Read a book whose title is a compound word - msg #63

Hold your challenge until the July 2018 challenges are posted. Thanks!

3DeltaQueen50
May 26, 2018, 4:06 pm

Challenge # 2: Dedicated to Dad – In honor of Father’s Day on June 17th, read a book that the author has dedicated to their father. This doesn’t have to be the only dedication, it can be to both the author’s parents or to others as long as the author’s father is included

4jeanned
Edited: May 28, 2018, 11:15 pm

Oooo, I never find the new month this quickly!

Challenge #3: Read a book with a cryptogram of D-A-D hidden in its title

According to this web site, there are 50 words (if we include D-A-D, which we are) whose patterns match that of D-A-D, such as P-O-P, M-O-M, and W-O-W.

For this challenge, the cryptogram MUST BE EMBEDDED.

For example, Daddy by Danielle Steele would fit the challenge, but Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert T. Kiyosaki would not.

ETA: For those of you having difficulty with this website, here are the cryptograms listed for D-A-D on the website.

A-B-A // A-G-A // A-H-A // A-L-A // A-M-A // A-N-A // A-V-A // A-W-A
B-I-B // B-O-B // B-U-B
D-A-D // D-I-D // D-U-D
E-K-E // E-M-E // E-R-E // E-V-E // E-W-E // E-Y-E
G-A-G // G-I-G
H-A-H // H-E-H // H-U-H
M-E-M // M-I-M // M-O-M // M-U-M
N-A-N // N-U-N
O-H-O // O-X-O
P-A-P // P-E-P // P-I-P // P-O-P // P-U-P
S-I-S // S-O-S
T-A-T // T-E-T // T-I-T // T-O-T // T-U-T
U-L-U
V-A-V
W-A-W // W-O-W
Y-A-Y

5Carmenere
Edited: May 27, 2018, 1:20 pm

Challenge #4: Read a book from Public Broadcasting System network's The Great American Read

Below is a list of the books if your unable to follow this link http://www.pbs.org/the-great-american-read/books/#/

NOTE* If you choose to read a book in a series, it's perfectly acceptable to read just one in the series.

 1984 George Orwell
 A Confederacy of Dunces John Kennedy Toole
 A Prayer For Owen Meany John Irving
 A Separate Peace John Knowles
 A Tree Grows in Brooklyn Betty Smith
 The Adventures of Tom Sawyer Mark Twain
 The Alchemist Paulo Coelho
 Alex Cross Mysteries (series) James Patterson
 Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland Lewis Carroll
 Americanah Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
 And Then There Were None Agatha Christie
 Anne of Green Gables Lucy Maud Montgomery
 Another Country James Baldwin
 Atlas Shrugged Ayn Rand
 Beloved Toni Morrison
 Bless Me, Ultima Rudolfo Anaya
 The Book Thief Markus Zusak
 The Brief Wondrous Life Of Oscar Wao Junot Díaz
 The Call Of The Wild Jack London
 Catch-22 Joseph Heller
 The Catcher in the Rye J.D. Salinger
 Charlotte's Web E. B. White
 The Chronicles of Narnia (series) C.S. Lewis
 Clan of the Cave Bear Jean M. Auel
 Coldest Winter Ever Sister Souljah
 The Color Purple Alice Walker
 The Count of Monte Cristo Alexandre Dumas
 Crime and Punishment Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time
Mark Haddon
 The Da Vinci Code Dan Brown
 Don Quixote Miguel de Cervantes
 Doña Bárbára Rómulo Gallegos
 Dune Frank Herbert
 Fifty Shades Of Grey (series) E. L. James
 Flowers In The Attic V.C. Andrews
 Foundation (series) Isaac Asimov
 Frankenstein Mary Shelley
 Game of Thrones (series) George R. R. Martin
 Ghost Jason Reynolds
 Gilead Marilynne Robinson
 The Giver Lois Lowry
 The Godfather Mario Puzo
 Gone Girl Gillian Flynn
 Gone with the Wind Margaret Mitchell
 The Grapes of Wrath John Steinbeck
 Great Expectations Charles Dickens
 The Great Gatsby F. Scott Fitzgerald
 Gulliver's Travels Jonathan Swift
 The Handmaid’s Tale Margaret Atwood
 Harry Potter (series) J.K. Rowling
 Hatchet (series) Gary Paulsen
 Heart Of Darkness Joseph Conrad
 The Help Kathryn Stockett
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy
Douglas Adams
 The Hunger Games (series) Suzanne Collins
 The Hunt For Red October Tom Clancy
 The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead
 Invisible Man Ralph Ellison
 Jane Eyre Charlotte Brontë
 The Joy Luck Club Amy Tan
 Jurassic Park Michael Crichton
 Left Behind (series) Tim LaHaye and
Jerry B. Jenkins
 The Little Prince Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
 Little Women Louisa May Alcott
 Lonesome Dove Larry McMurtry
 Looking for Alaska John Green
 The Lord of the Rings (series) J.R.R. Tolkien
 The Lovely Bones Alice Sebold
 The Martian Andy Weir
 Memoirs of a Geisha Arthur Golden
 Mind Invaders Dave Hunt
 Moby-Dick Herman Melville
 The Notebook Nicholas Sparks
 One Hundred Years of Solitude
Gabriel García Márquez
 Outlander (series) Diana Gabaldon
 The Outsiders S. E. Hinton
 The Picture of Dorian Gray Oscar Wilde
 The Pilgrim's Progress John Bunyan
 The Pillars of The Earth Ken Follett
 Pride and Prejudice Jane Austen
 Ready Player One Ernest Cline
 Rebecca Daphne du Maurier
 The Shack William P. Young
 Siddhartha Hermann Hesse
 The Sirens Of Titan Kurt Vonnegut
 The Stand Stephen King
 The Sun Also Rises Ernest Hemingway
 Swan Song Robert R. McCammon
 Tales of The City (series) Armistead Maupin
 Their Eyes Were Watching God Zora Neale Hurston
 Things Fall Apart Chinua Achebe
 This Present Darkness Frank. E. Peretti
 To Kill a Mockingbird Harper Lee
 The Twilight Saga (series) Stephenie Meyer
 War and Peace Leo Tolstoy
 Watchers Dean Koontz
 The Wheel of Time (series) Robert Jordan and
Brandon Sanderson
 Where the Red Fern Grows Wilson Rawls
 White Teeth Zadie Smith
 Wuthering Heights Emily Brontë

6DeltaQueen50
May 26, 2018, 6:35 pm

>5 Carmenere: Lynda, I suspected this might show up as a challenge sometime over the next little while so I already picked out one from my shelves to read!

7Carmenere
May 26, 2018, 6:36 pm

>5 Carmenere: :0D Way to go, Judy!!

8lindapanzo
May 26, 2018, 8:17 pm

>5 Carmenere: You beat me to it!! I'll think of another one.

9susanna.fraser
May 26, 2018, 8:44 pm

Challenge #5: Read a book about the environment

A self-serving challenge, since it's a category in my library system's annual Summer Book Bingo.

10lindapanzo
Edited: May 26, 2018, 8:58 pm

Challenge #6 Read a book with a body of water on the front cover

Lake, river, stream, pond, even a flooded field are fine. Even a swimming pool is ok. A glass or jug water is not enough.

11owlie13
May 26, 2018, 11:50 pm

Challenge #7: Read a book where the author's last name is also a noun (not a Proper Noun).

Some rules - no embedded words. The noun must stand alone, but that does include plural nouns. Also, the spelling has to be "correct." Foxx would not count. If the noun is a language other than English, tell me what the translation would be.

Some examples from my library:

Jim Butcher
Stephen King
Craig Rice
Louise Penny
Kathryn Fox
Nancy M. Hill

12lyzard
May 27, 2018, 5:51 am

Challenge #8: Read a book with the name of a house or property in the title

Fairly self-explanatory, I hope. You might read Mansfield Park or Brideshead Revisited, for example. However, it must be the name---generic words like "house" or even "palace" on their own are not enough.

The house / property may be either real or fictional.

13wandering_star
May 27, 2018, 10:09 am

Challenge #9: Read a book set in at least three different time periods

I hope this is self-explanatory. The time periods should be different storylines, rather than one storyline (eg one person's life) over decades.

I'm planning to read one or more of:
The Dream of Scipio - Iain Pears
No Time Like The Past - Jodi Taylor
The Sewing Machine - Natalie Fergie

14wandering_star
May 27, 2018, 10:14 am

>4 jeanned: Do the three letters have to form a word? So, for example, Three Filipino Women wouldn't qualify because ILI is not a word?

15Helenliz
May 27, 2018, 12:33 pm

>5 Carmenere:: If the list includes a series (for example: Harry Potter series) is it acceptable to read one book of the series?

16Carmenere
May 27, 2018, 1:18 pm

>15 Helenliz: Absolutely! I'm glad you mentioned it and I'll add it to my original post. Thanks

17jeanned
May 27, 2018, 2:17 pm

>14 wandering_star: The cryptogram does have to be one of the 50 from the website in msg 4.

18jeanned
May 27, 2018, 4:48 pm

>13 wandering_star: Am I understanding that the book would need to be a novel rather than a history? I am hoping to read Why the West Rules--For Now: The Patterns of History and What They Reveal About the Future.

19Helenliz
May 28, 2018, 3:52 am

>16 Carmenere: excellent, thanks. >:-)

20FAMeulstee
May 28, 2018, 6:50 am

Challenge #10: Read a book where the author's name has the same vowel in first and last name

21wandering_star
May 28, 2018, 7:00 am

>18 jeanned: I would also accept some non-fiction, eg a family memoir, but I think a straight-up history does not count for this challenge, sorry.

22countrylife
Edited: May 28, 2018, 9:55 am

>13 wandering_star: : As a lover of historical fiction, I like this challenge! I'm going to try to get The Sewing Machine. In case others are searching for books for this challenge, one I recently read also fits - How to Stop Time, with settings in the 16th century, 1920s, and 2000s, among others.

23Citizenjoyce
Edited: May 28, 2018, 2:25 pm

Challenge #11: Read a book connected to a circus act, name the act
The act doesn’t have to be done in a circus, just has to be like one done in the circus. I’m reading about a fire eater, but you could read about a fat woman, a strong man, an equestrian, a trapeze artist, an announcer, etc.

I’ll be reading The Electric Woman by Tessa Fontaine

24Morphidae
Edited: May 28, 2018, 11:09 pm

IT'S SUMMERTIME!

I don't even want to talk about the unseasonably hot temps we're having here in Minnesota.

Challenge #12**: Read a book that takes place in or around a beach/ocean

For those that only read non-fiction, a book *about* beaches or the ocean is fine.

To clarify to my challenge, these need to be books that have significant portions of the book on a beach or on/in the ocean. A scene or two won't qualify. It has to be important to the narrative. For an example, yeah, Miami is on the ocean, but wouldn't qualify unless the beach itself is important. Or like the book I'm reading in which much of the book takes place in a beach house.

**There's been a number change. I oopsed.

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Here are some links for ideas. No obligation to read these books, just helpful lists:

Signature Stories on the Sea and the Sand - I got my book from this list
http://www.signature-reads.com/2017/07/stories-on-the-sea-and-the-sand-books-set...

Goodreads Listopia - Summer Beach Reads (all stories set in beach towns)
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/23049.Summer_Beach_Reads_all_stories_set_in_...

Buzzfeed Ocean Novels for Spring Break - nice selection of genres including children's but at least one book wouldn't count as the ocean is metaphorical
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kayepublicity/22-ocean-novels-for-spring-break-fkhg?utm...

25Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jun 29, 2018, 1:02 pm

It gives me such a silly sense of accomplishment when I can fit books I'd already planned on reading into the new month's challenges. This is the plan for June:
Challenge #1: Read a book of short stories by an author born in Canada - started by SqueakyChu
*✔Varieties of Exile (Montreal Stories) - Mavis Gallant (2.5)
Challenge #2: Read a book that is dedicated to the author's father - started by DeltaQueen
*✔The Dollhouse - Fiona Davis (4)
*✔Invasion of the Tearling - Erika Johansen (4)
Challenge #3: Read a book with a cryptogram of D-A-D hidden in its title - started by JeanneD
It's Even Worse Than You Think: What the Trump Administration Is Doing to America - David Cay Johnston (4)
Challenge #4: Read a book from Public Broadcasting System network's The Great American Read - started by Carmenere
Foundation - Isaac Asimov (2)
Challenge #5: Read a book about the environment - started by susanna.fraser
Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats - Kristen Iversen (5)
Challenge #6: Read a book with a body of water on the front cover - started by lindapanzo
Burying Water - K. A. Tucker
My Name Is Lucy Barton - Elizabeth Strout (3.5)
Challenge #7: Read a book where the author's last name is also a noun (not a proper noun) - started by owlie13
Sleeping Beauties - Stephen King (3.5)
Challenge #8: Read a book with the name of a house or property in the title - started by lyzard
The Birchbark House by Louise Erdrich (4)
Challenge #9: Read a book set in at least three different time periods - started by wandering_star
The Jane Austen Project - Kathleen A. Flynn (4.5)
Challenge #10: Read a book where the author's name has the same vowel in first and last name - started by FAMeulstee
Aftercare Instructions: A Novel by Bonnie Pipkin (3.5)
We Ate Wonder Bread - Nicole Hollander
Challenge #11: Read a book connected to a circus act, name the act - started by Citizenjoyce
The Electric Woman: A Memoir in Death-Defying Acts - Tessa Fontaine (5)
Challenge #12: Read a book that takes place in or around a beach/ocean - started by
Morphidae
*The Bookshop at Water's End - Patti Callahan Henry
Manhattan Beach by Jennifer Egan (3)
Challenge #13: Read a book from a series of more than 5 published books which is not the first in timeline or written order - Started by quondame
Terra Incognita - Ruth Downie (3.5)
Challenge #14: Read a book where the author's surname matches an ancestral surname - Started by thornton37814
*✔The Man in My Basement - Walter Mosley (3)
Challenge #15: The Parts of Speech Rolling Challenge- Started by Dejah_Thoris
*✔Anything Is Possible - Elizabeth Strout (4.5)
Molly's Game: From Hollywood's Elite to Wall Street's Billionaire Boys Club, My High-Stakes Adventure in the World of Underground Poker - Molly Bloom (3.5)
The Plot to Hack America: How Putin’s Cyberspies and WikiLeaks Tried to Steal the 2016 Election - Malcolm Nance (4)
Challenge #16: Read a book which would have been a shared read in this year - Started by paulstalder
*✔Go Tell It On The Mountain - James Baldwin (4)
Challenge #17: Read a book whose title is a compound word - Started by calm
Walkaway - Cory Doctorow (3.5)

26Morphidae
May 28, 2018, 4:13 pm

>4 jeanned: Is there someplace to get a list of the 50? That website only shows the same five words.

>5 Carmenere: Can't decide whether to read a new one or an old favorite!

>13 wandering_star: Would the first St. Mary's work?

27jeanned
May 28, 2018, 4:19 pm

>26 Morphidae: The NEXT button isn't working for you? I'll see if I can make some time later to post the list in the challenge msg.

28Morphidae
Edited: May 28, 2018, 4:26 pm

>26 Morphidae: So THAT'S what that button is for.

;)

Oops.

29Citizenjoyce
May 28, 2018, 6:03 pm

>28 Morphidae: computers are always challenging us.

30wandering_star
May 28, 2018, 9:02 pm

>26 Morphidae: Yes!

Also, thanks so much for asking about the cryptogram website - I could only see 5 examples too, but I didn't want to ask two questions about the same challenge... and no-one else was asking so I figured it was only me having that problem...

31Morphidae
Edited: May 28, 2018, 11:09 pm

To clarify to my challenge, these need to be books that have significant portions of the book on a beach or on/in the ocean. A scene or two won't qualify. It has to be important to the narrative. For an example, yeah, Miami is on the ocean, but wouldn't qualify unless the beach itself is important. Or like the book I'm reading in which much of the book takes place in a beach house.

32jeanned
May 28, 2018, 11:17 pm

>26 Morphidae: >30 wandering_star: I have updated msg 4 to include all 50 cryptograms of D-A-D listed on the website. Sorry it wasn't working for you.

33wandering_star
May 29, 2018, 9:31 am

>32 jeanned: Thank you - that's really kind!

34Carmenere
May 29, 2018, 12:38 pm

>26 Morphidae: >5 Carmenere: I know, Morphi! Read both :0D

35Citizenjoyce
Edited: May 29, 2018, 4:31 pm

>31 Morphidae: I haven’t read Manhattan Beach, which I listed for your challenge. If I find it doesn’t fit, I’ll put it elsewhere.

36quondame
Edited: May 29, 2018, 6:02 pm

Challenge #13: Read a book from a series of more than 5 published books which is not the first in timeline or written order

In the Vorkosiverse both Shards of Honor and Falling Free would currently be excluded.

37thornton37814
May 29, 2018, 6:09 pm

Challenge #14: Read a book where the author's surname matches an ancestral surname.

To explain this a little better, at the parents level, I have Thornton and Lantz. At the grandparents level, add Fowlkes and Hester. At the great-grandparents level, add Duke, Phillips, Taylor, and Harris. Etc. Since all genealogists know spelling often varies or changes over time, spelling variants are allowed. For example, one of my ancestors appears to have spelled her last name Mosely, but some descendants of siblings spell it Mosley, some ancestors spelled it Moseley or Mozley.

38owlie13
May 29, 2018, 8:23 pm

>37 thornton37814: Does it have to be birth name? My mother was adopted by her stepfather, so she has two last names (Gustafson and Cutter).

39FAMeulstee
May 29, 2018, 8:49 pm

>37 thornton37814: How far back can we go?

40thornton37814
May 29, 2018, 8:54 pm

>38 owlie13: Adopted is fine.

>39 FAMeulstee: As far as you like--or at least back to the time surnames were adopted.

41cbl_tn
May 29, 2018, 9:58 pm

>37 thornton37814: This will give me an excuse to read a Nero Wolfe novel since Rex Stout was my great-grandfather Stout's 3rd cousin!

42thornton37814
May 29, 2018, 10:15 pm

>41 cbl_tn: I was looking at some of the books I brought home from the library and saw two ancestral surnames so it was inspired by my observation!

43Dejah_Thoris
Edited: May 30, 2018, 12:41 am

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Challenge #15: the Parts of Speech Rolling Challenge
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I’ve still been thinking about Schoolhouse Rock!, so I’ve decided we need a parts of speech challenge. The generally accepted parts of speech, in their most commonly listed order, are as follows:

Nouns: person, place, thing, or idea (proper nouns ok)
Pronouns: I, me, we us, you, she, her, he, him, it, they, them (see https://www.thefreedictionary.com/List-of-pronouns.htm for more choices)
Verbs: expresses action or being (helping verbs ok, too)
Adjectives: modifies or describes a noun or pronoun (cute, wise, smart, purple. etc.)
Adverbs: modifies or describes a verb, adjective, or another adverb (quickly, happily, very, well, etc.)
Preposition: placed before a noun or pronoun to form a phrase modifying another word in the sentence (by, with, from, etc,)
Conjunctions: joins words, phrases or clauses (see https://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-conjunctions.html)
Interjections: expresses emotion (see https://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-interjections.html)

Some of these will be quite easy -- others, not so much. Interjections, because of their relative scarcity in titles, are the only part of speech that may be embedded.

If you have any questions, please ask!

44quondame
Edited: May 30, 2018, 2:14 am

>43 Dejah_Thoris: Must a verb be used as a verb? In Judgment Keep, the keep is a noun but in Promises to Keep a verb. Do gerunds count as verbs?

45Citizenjoyce
May 30, 2018, 4:27 am

>43 Dejah_Thoris: Thanks for that fine list. I used to love diagramming sentences, but I totally forgot where you put the interjection.

46Dejah_Thoris
May 30, 2018, 11:30 am

>44 quondame: I'd prefer we stick to verbs being used as verbs. If we find that it proves to be difficult, I'd be willing to revisit the subject.

>45 Citizenjoyce: As I was thinking about this challenge, I came to realize that there are many details of English grammar I've forgotten! The Schoolhouse Rock! songs really have stuck with me, but, alas, they don't cover everything.

47wandering_star
May 30, 2018, 11:39 am

>43 Dejah_Thoris: Does the qualifying word have to be the first word of the title?

48Dejah_Thoris
May 30, 2018, 2:23 pm

>147 FAMeulstee: Nope! The qualifying word may be any word in the title or subtitle.

49wandering_star
Edited: May 31, 2018, 8:05 am

>24 Morphidae: I just received through one of my book subscriptions a really interesting looking book called... Death and the Seaside! How perfect to have a reason to get to it right away.

50Dejah_Thoris
May 31, 2018, 11:04 pm

>23 Citizenjoyce: I have a few books that I might read this month that may fit into your circus challenge, but I wanted to check with you about them.

Two are mermaid books - I saw mermaids on a list of circus acts / sideshows so I wondered if Swim to Me and The Book of Speculation would count.

Also, I've been meaning to read Truevine: Two Brothers, a Kidnapping, and a Mother's Quest: A True Story of the Jim Crow South (what a title!) about two brothers who were kidnapped (or were they?) to be displayed as "circus freaks."

I do have another book, Blood and Circuses, a Phryne Fisher mystery with trick riding, so you're not ruining my potential sweep if you say no :).

51elkiedee
Jun 1, 2018, 12:43 am

>43 Dejah_Thoris: In Please Stop Helping Us, please isn't an adverb. An adverb describes the way in which something is done - eg "She walked slowly" - "slowly" is the adverb. Please could be a verb but it's not in this case. The book could be listed under Pronoun (Us) or Verb (Stop/Helping).

52Dejah_Thoris
Jun 1, 2018, 1:43 am

>51 elkiedee: Wow! Who knew there was such a debate about the word 'please'? When I posted this Challenge, I wondered if it might spark some debate - I know it served as an excellent grammar review for me.

Having just read a number of, often, heated debates as to the part of speech to which please should be assigned, I'll admit to still being somewhat confused. The arguments against please being an adverb in this usage are strong, but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of agreement as to what it is, if it's not an adverb. Interjection seems to be the most common suggestion, even though it's not a particularly good fit.

The OED says this:

ADVERB
1. Used in polite requests or questions.

‘please address letters to the Editor’
‘what type of fish is this, please?’


Why I realize that defining please as an adverb in this usage is probably overly simplistic, for purposes of this Challenge, I'll go with the OED and let it stand.

Thanks for bringing the issue up, though - I'm learning so much I may have to take up sentence diagramming!

53elkiedee
Jun 1, 2018, 2:02 am

Okay, I've never seen that definition of an adverb before, but what the OED says, I can't argue!

54Dejah_Thoris
Jun 1, 2018, 2:16 am

>53 elkiedee:. Whoops! I should have been more clear - that was part of the definition for ‘please,’ not adverbs in general.

And, like you, I’m pretty willing to go along with the OED.

55Citizenjoyce
Jun 1, 2018, 3:57 pm

>50 Dejah_Thoris: they all sound great and appropriate.

56Citizenjoyce
Jun 1, 2018, 7:13 pm

>12 lyzard: Liz, have you read The Jane Austen Project by Kathleen A. Flynn? I'd love to know if you found her description of Austen's time accurate and what you thought about the results. I think you'd like it.

57paulstalder
Jun 2, 2018, 6:50 am

Challenge #16: Read a book which would have been a shared read in this year

I was a bit too slow to read this month, so I couldn't finish Yeast in time - and so missed a shared read, which I do not get often, anyway. Therefore this challenge. The book read can be taken from any challenges in 2018, please indicate the month and number of the challenge the read is already listed. Shared reads with your already books do not count, so no re-reads.

58lyzard
Edited: Jun 2, 2018, 8:30 pm

>56 Citizenjoyce:

I haven't, Joyce, though I know some others have. It would be a useful resource if it *was* accurate, since too many such books are very careless about their details. (I'm thinking particularly of What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew, which doesn't even seem to understand the gap between the Regency and the Victorian era).

59lyzard
Jun 2, 2018, 5:47 pm

>57 paulstalder:

Paul, do you have to have started the book, or is thinking about joining in the shared read but not making it okay?

60Citizenjoyce
Jun 2, 2018, 8:26 pm

>58 lyzard: Well shoot, I would have thought What Jane Austen Ate And Charles Dickens Knew would be accurate. I guess I tend to trust anything that is published about a topic I don't understand. Kind of like medical shows, I always know when they get childbirth wrong, but I tend to believe everything else they do.

61Dejah_Thoris
Jun 2, 2018, 11:06 pm

>55 Citizenjoyce: Well, since I can't decide which one (or ones) to read, I've added them all to the wiki. If someone joins me for a shared read, that'll help make my decision!

62Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jun 3, 2018, 3:18 am

>61 Dejah_Thoris: They all look pretty good. Oh, I forgot, I already read The Book of Speculation and gave it 4 stars. I’ll check out the others.

63calm
Jun 3, 2018, 5:36 am

Challenge #17: Read a book whose title is a compound word

This month LT is doing a shared read of Neil Gaiman's Stardust - more info on the group page https://www.librarything.com/groups/onelibrarythingonebo

So I decided to create a challenge for anybody who wants to read the book.

64Carmenere
Edited: Jun 3, 2018, 8:45 am

Hey calm! so glad you've posted a challenge! I'll see if I have something short that will fit!

65raidergirl3
Jun 3, 2018, 8:42 am

>63 calm: does it have to be *just* a compound word, or have compound word in title? Ie, can The Hellfire Club count for your challenge?

66calm
Edited: Jun 3, 2018, 11:35 am

>64 Carmenere: Hope you find something

>65 raidergirl3: I did think about that before posting the challenge and I thought it would be too easy to just have a compound word in the title but I'll let others decide.

Vote: Should I allow multi word titles?

Current tally: Yes 7, No 9, Undecided 1
Whatever the result is when Madeline closes this month's TIOLI for new challenges will be the
final decision.

Edit - if you vote NO the challenge will only allow strictly one word titles ... No "the" before the compound word.

67paulstalder
Jun 3, 2018, 9:38 am

>59 lyzard: it's okay to start reading it now

68Carmenere
Jun 3, 2018, 10:56 am

>66 calm: Lol, would my entry of The Bookshop qualify as a one word title? "The" is usually considered a non-word when we list books alphabettically in the wiki.

69calm
Jun 3, 2018, 11:06 am

>68 Carmenere: Sorry "The" is disregarded for alphabetical purposes, I don't think that turns the title into a single word and I really was thinking of strictly single word titles originally.

Guess we need to wait for the result of the vote :)

70Carmenere
Jun 3, 2018, 11:41 am

Sounds good, calm. I'll watch for the results :0)

71Dejah_Thoris
Jun 3, 2018, 12:53 pm

>62 Citizenjoyce: Knowing that you gave it four stars, I'm particularly looking forward to The Book of Speculation.

>63 calm: Sometimes you just get lucky. Out of the blue, I decided I wanted to reread Dragonsinger by Anne McCaffrey. I logged on to LT to find that it fits your newly posted Challenge perfectly!

72raidergirl3
Jun 3, 2018, 1:25 pm

>66 calm: If you meant for your challenge to be one word only, that's fine. I'll wait and see if The Hellfire Club is an actual building to be eligible for Challenge #8, or wait for adjective or noun to come around on the parts of speech challenge. Lots of options!

I was wondering (from anyone) what part of speech 'the' is considered. Feels like an adjective in this situation , The Hellfire Club but I'm not sure.

73Dejah_Thoris
Jun 3, 2018, 2:01 pm

>72 raidergirl3: For the purposes of Challenge #15, we'll consider the articles 'a' and 'the' as adjectives. I know there's some debate on the topic, but it seems to be the easiest solution.

74elkiedee
Jun 4, 2018, 1:29 am

"the" and "a" are articles

75neverstopreading
Jun 5, 2018, 1:11 pm

These are some good topics. I didn't get one in this time...Oh well...

76calm
Jun 6, 2018, 4:08 am

Given the date I think new challenges are closed.

The vote was very close but the result is that my challenge 17 stays in the original version - single compound word titles.

I hope everybody has a great TIOLI this month.

77quondame
Jun 9, 2018, 10:05 pm

Just putting this thread closer to the top! It's getting hard to find down here....

78paulstalder
Edited: Jun 12, 2018, 4:03 am

>4 jeanned: your challenge with D-A-D applies to English titles only. Or would German cryptograms for a German title be acceptable? I read Gethsemane - which would give E-H-E (marriage) in German. Would you allow that?

79jeanned
Jun 12, 2018, 2:30 pm

>78 paulstalder: I'm going to have to stick with the original 50 cryptograms from the website. The possibilities of extending beyond this, as in your example of a German D-A-D cryptogram in a Hebrew place name... I am sorry about the English-centricity of the challenge.

80jeanned
Jun 14, 2018, 2:29 am

>12 lyzard: Would you consider the name of a theme park as the name of a property? I was thinking if I might make time for Stephen King's Joyland this month if it fits.

81lyzard
Jun 14, 2018, 4:50 pm

>80 jeanned:

That isn't really what I had in mind, but---that would be a perfect fit for #17, wouldn't it?

82jeanned
Jun 14, 2018, 5:02 pm

>81 lyzard: Absolutely. I surprisingly have at least a dozen books I could read for #17. Since I am not working on a sweep, I can happily put another one there.

83lyzard
Jun 14, 2018, 5:19 pm

Heh! I can't find a book for #17 so I'm very jealous!

84FAMeulstee
Edited: Jun 24, 2018, 7:53 pm

With Wild swans I finished my sweep today.
double sweep on 25-06

#1: Bloodletting and miraculous cures - Vincent Lam
#1: Dear life - Alice Munro
#2: Rinske en de stoomtram - Diet Huber
#2: Wierook en tranen - Ward Ruyslinck
#3: Een gedeelde hamaca - Selma Noort
#3: Severino - Eduard Klein
#4: Pride and prejudice - Jane Austen
#4: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - J.K. Rowling
#5: The last generation - Fred Pearce
#5: Natuurlijk - Jan Terlouw
#6: Eilandheimwee - Selma Noort
#6: De kaperkapitein - Karl May
#7: The stronghold - Mollie Hunter
#7: Verhalen van de zwarte kraai - Pauline Mol
#8: Mouse Mansion : Sam & Julia - Karina Schaapman
#8: Brideshead Revisited - Evelyn Waugh
#9: Wild swans : three daughters of China - Jung Chang
#9: In Babylon - Marcel Möring
#10 The Black Stallion Challenged - Walter Farley
#10: Roseanna - Maj Sjöwall & Per Wahlöö
#11: Vrijbuiters op Solna - Hermann Molenkamp
#11: De Olifantsberg - Els Pelgrom
#12: Het vlot - Wim Hofman
#12: Een dagje naar het strand - Heere Heeresma
#13: The abbot's gibbet - Michael Jecks
#13: De Cock en tranen aan de Leie - A.C. Baantjer
#14: How to Become King - Jan Terlouw
#14: Venetiaanse gedichten - Maria de Groot
#15: The Dearest Boy in All the World - Ted van Lieshout
#15: The sky is falling - Kit Pearson
#16: Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine - Gail Honeyman
#16: Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets - J.K. Rowling
#17: Eetsprookjes - Huib Stam
#17: Hindergroen - Martine Bijl

85Dejah_Thoris
Jun 16, 2018, 10:24 am

>84 FAMeulstee: Woohoo, Anita! Congratulations!

86Helenliz
Jun 16, 2018, 10:29 am

>84 FAMeulstee: wow, Anita. Congratulations.

87SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 16, 2018, 11:26 am

>84 FAMeulstee: Perfect! Congrats to you, Anita!

Wild Swans was recommended by my gynecologist for me to read (we always exchanged book recommendations on my visits) at least ten years ago. I still haven't read it. You're quicker than I am. Ha!

88quondame
Jun 16, 2018, 1:22 pm

>84 FAMeulstee: Congratulations!

89Helenliz
Jun 16, 2018, 1:44 pm

>87 SqueakyChu: That conjures up such an odd image, I couldn't help but laugh!

90quondame
Edited: Jun 26, 2018, 4:10 pm

With Thirty Fathoms Deep by Commander Edward Ellsberg, my great uncle, I have made a sweep! Twelve shared reads shown in bold.

  1. Lam, Vincent Bloodletting and Miraculous Cures
  2. Okorafor, Nnedi Who Fears Dead
  3. Boyne, John The Boy in Striped Pajamas
  4. Austen, Jane Pride and Prejudice
  5. Egan, Dan The Death and Life of the Great Lakes
  6. Lipman, Elinor The Inn at Lake Devine
  7. Grant, Linda I Murdered My Library
  8. Scjaapman, Karina Mouse Mansion
  9. Pears, Iain The Dream of Scipio
  10. Ridge, Judith The Book that Made Me
  11. Greenwood, Kerry Blood and Circuses
  12. Baby, Jean-Dominique The Diving bell and the Butterfly
  13. Willingham, Bill Fables, Vol. 14: Witches
  14. Ellsberg, Edward Thirty Fathoms Deep
  15. Polacco, Patricia Oh, look!
  16. Vaughan, Brian K. Saga Vol 1
  17. Jordan, Hilary Mudbound

Second sweep:

  1. Swan’s Braid and other Tales of Terizan Tanya Huff
  2. Keepsake Crimes Laura Childe
  3. Saga, Vol 2 Brian K. Vaughan
  4. Where the Red Fern Grows Wilson Rawls
  5. Full Body Burden Kristen Iverson
  6. The Farthest Shore Ursula K. Le Guin
  7. The Return of the Soldier Rebecca West
  8. Thendara House Marion Zimmer Bradley
  9. The Weight of ink Rachel Kadish
  10. Space Opera Catherynne M. Valente
  11. The Electric Woman Tessa Fontaine
  12. The Essex Serpent Sarah Perry
  13. The Sea of Time P.C. Hogdell
  14. The Curio Dealer's Wife Ingrid J. Parker
  15. Only Human Sylvain Neuvel
  16. A Study in Charlotte Brittany Cavallaro
  17. Stardust Neil Gaiman

91Citizenjoyce
Jun 16, 2018, 2:26 pm

<84>, Congratulations speed readers.
Ha!

92streamsong
Jun 16, 2018, 3:06 pm

Congrats, Anita and quondame! and >90 quondame: that's an impressive amount of shared reads!

93FAMeulstee
Edited: Jun 16, 2018, 3:20 pm

>85 Dejah_Thoris: >86 Helenliz: >87 SqueakyChu: >88 quondame: >91 Citizenjoyce: >92 streamsong:
Thanks Dejah, Helen, Madeline, Susan, Joyce and Janet!

>87 SqueakyChu: I was a bit disappoited by Wild Swans. I liked the first 1/3rd about her grandmother and mother.
The rest of the book is about her own life, and to me she was not likable.

>90 quondame: Congratulations Susan!
How nice you found a copy of Mouse Mansion for a shared read.

94SqueakyChu
Jun 16, 2018, 6:38 pm

>90 quondame: *Impressed*

Congrats, Susan!

95SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 16, 2018, 7:47 pm

>87 SqueakyChu: I'll actually probably skip Wild Swans because i'm into more things Japanese than Chinese these days.

96DeltaQueen50
Jun 16, 2018, 6:44 pm

>84 FAMeulstee: & >90 quondame: I also offer my congratulations to the "speed readers". I felt much the same way about Wild Swans, Anita. I found both the grandmother and mother's stories fascinating, but not so the author's.

97SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 16, 2018, 11:36 pm

TIOLI Question of the Month

Did you learn any surprising fact or facts from a book you read so far this month? If so, what was it (them), and from which book did you get this information?

98elkiedee
Jun 16, 2018, 9:40 pm

>93 FAMeulstee: I read Wild Swans years ago, probably fairly soon after it was first published in paperback in the UK, and was disappointed because I found the author very self-pitying. My mum worked in Chinese Studies and knew Jung Chang a little bit.

I did like the much more recent memoir of a woman from the next generation, published in the UK as Once Upon a Time in the East but also published, in the US I think, as Nine Continents. Some of Xiaolu Gu's stories of her family are horrific, but her memoir is quite understated and I think the author's much more aware that she was ultimately quite privileged in a way Jung Chang just doesn't seem to recognise.

99FAMeulstee
Jun 17, 2018, 9:00 am

>96 DeltaQueen50: Thanks, Judy. Glad to know I am not the only one who felt this way about Wild Swans.

>97 SqueakyChu: TIOLI Question: I learned from a Dutch YA book (Het vlot) that Vlissingen (a city with harbor in the Dutch province Zeeland) was bombed heavy at the end of WWII and was barely harmed in the flood of 1953.

>98 elkiedee: Thanks for the tip, sadly the title you mention isn't translated (yet). I found that her book Village of stone is available in translation, has anyone read that one?

100streamsong
Jun 17, 2018, 9:42 am

>97 SqueakyChu: SqueakyChu: TIOLI Question: From The Feather Thief, I learned that Victorian ladies' hats were so outrageous that they often had entire large dead birds on them. The hats were so large that they sometimes had to ride in their carriages with their heads out the windows. The advent of the motor car, with less headroom and higher speeds brought an end to this.



Victorian woman with an entire egret on her hat.

101Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jun 17, 2018, 1:08 pm

>100 streamsong: I wonder if the Victorians had extraordinarily strong necks from carrying all that weight.
>96 DeltaQueen50:, >98 elkiedee: I read Wild Swans three years ago (thank you LT for the record keeping) and loved it. I’m usually not into self pity, but can understand when it is deserved.
>97 SqueakyChu: I just read a part in Terra Incognita about contraception in Ancient Rome and Britain. Alas, it was not detailed enough about the man’s part, but it did end with the woman squatting on the floor, drinking some cold water and then sneezing. The man said he had managed to keep his marriage child free for 3 years using his methods. I guess I’m going to have to try to find out what the rest of the process was, since I love the idea of contraception through the ages.

102susanna.fraser
Jun 17, 2018, 1:25 pm

Wow, look at these midmonth sweeps!

>97 SqueakyChu: From Mark Kurlansky's Milk, I learned that in the 18th and early 19th centuries, the preferred way to buy milk in a place like New York City or London was to have a dairymaid lead her cow to your house so you could watch it milked and therefore know you were getting undiluted, unadulterated milk from a healthy-looking cow.

103Helenliz
Jun 17, 2018, 2:04 pm

>97 SqueakyChu: I learnt that things could be worse. Sometime that's a hard one to take onboard. I read The Diving-bell and the Butterfly and it was very quick to read, but I suspect I will return to it. The mind trapped in the body is my aging nightmare and this book confirmed, to me, that there has to be a way out.

104quondame
Jun 17, 2018, 3:08 pm

>92 streamsong: I'm trying! >93 FAMeulstee: I have great local libraries! >94 SqueakyChu: >96 DeltaQueen50: thank you all!

>97 SqueakyChu: If I hadn't read it before I might have learned about diving and the bends from this read of my great-uncle's book, Thirty Fathoms Deep, but all I really did learn was how deeply he was invested in the racial and cultural prejudice of his day.

>103 Helenliz: Indeed, though short, that book is dense, and amazing in a dreadful sort of away.

105Helenliz
Jun 17, 2018, 3:16 pm

>104 quondame:. It's a difficult book to describe, that does sum it up quite well.

106wandering_star
Edited: Jun 19, 2018, 11:14 am

>101 Citizenjoyce: I'd love to know how the woman made herself sneeze - unless perhaps she was naked on a stone floor, which in combination with cold water would probably do the trick!

107streamsong
Jun 19, 2018, 11:23 am

>101 Citizenjoyce: Haha! I hadn't thought of that!

108Citizenjoyce
Jun 19, 2018, 1:15 pm

>106 wandering_star: Some midwives in Mexico use their long braids to tickle the noses of mothers at the end stage of labor to make them sneeze, thus push with a contraction. However, this book doesn’t mention what method was used. Maybe you’re right about the reason for the cold water, I couldn’t figure that part out.

109lyzard
Edited: Jun 19, 2018, 5:40 pm

Observation:

My book titles are full of the less common parts of speech, such as determiners and prop-words, but curiously lacking in everyday terms like pronouns. :)

110souloftherose
Jun 20, 2018, 8:40 am

>13 wandering_star:, >22 countrylife:

I'm reading How to Stop Time by Matt Haig for challenge #9 but I'm not sure it completely meets the criteria for the challenge, namely 'The time periods should be different storylines, rather than one storyline (eg one person's life) over decades.'

The premise of the book is that the character has lived for over 400 years so although the book is set in multiple time periods (from the late 16th century to the present day) it is still one person's life (just a really long one).

@wandering_star - can you let me know if you think this needs to be moved to another challenge?

111quondame
Edited: Jun 20, 2018, 2:18 pm

>110 souloftherose: I would argue that centuries of an unusual extended life aren't quite the same as 0-90 of the more usual sort of long life. Shakespeare, Captain Cook and Fitzgerald aren't commonly part of the same individual's personal experience.

112wandering_star
Jun 20, 2018, 2:05 pm

>110 souloftherose: I think it meets the criteria for the challenge!

113souloftherose
Jun 21, 2018, 2:31 am

>111 quondame: Good point, Susan.

>112 wandering_star: Thank you for confirming that!

114SqueakyChu
Jun 21, 2018, 11:38 am

TIOLI Stats for May 2018

Our stats are stable! Good readout for everything especially the YTD TIOLI points for May. This number (212 TIOLI points) is our best YTD number for May since 2015. Hurray!

We read a total of 405 books of which 83 (or 20%) were shared reads. We accumulated 45 TIOLI points for May.

Our most popular book was Dressed for Death by Donna Leon with 5 readers.

Our most popular challenges was the one by @lindapanzo to read a book you acquired on or after January 25, 2018. It had 42 books on its list.

Our challenge with the most TIOLI points (8 TIOLI points!) was the one by @raidergirl3 to read (or listen) to a book from YA Sync 2017 or 2018.

TIOLI Awards for May, 2018, are coming soon!

115FAMeulstee
Jun 21, 2018, 12:07 pm

Congratulations Dejah, with your sweep!

116SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 21, 2018, 12:53 pm

Three sweeoers already! I only finished reading one book so far this month. Congrats to quondame, FAMeulstee, and Dejah for being able to keep ahead of me this month in their reading. Haha!

117quondame
Jun 21, 2018, 1:53 pm

Congratulations on your sweep Dejah!

118raidergirl3
Jun 21, 2018, 2:54 pm

>114 SqueakyChu: I tried to match listening to any book listed from the YA Sync list that I could! There were a few from last year that I’d already listened to, but all the new ones from this year, I matched. And some books were read by even more. Thanks to everyone who read their free books!

119SqueakyChu
Jun 21, 2018, 5:13 pm

>118 raidergirl3: At first, I didn't catch that that you matched so many of the books in your own challenge. That was brilliant! :D

120Citizenjoyce
Jun 21, 2018, 11:45 pm

>8 lindapanzo: I see you have The Dollhouse listed in both Challenge 1 and 2. I'll share it with you. Which one do you want?

121thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 12:16 am

Just checked the OED and found "brown" listed as a noun. I really thought it was an adjective in the sense used, but if the OED says it is a noun, that's official enough. I actually was checking because of the dish known as the Kentucky hot brown.

122quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 1:46 am

>121 thornton37814: Brown is also an adjective according to the OED - a verb as well. Like many English words it gets a workout.

123lindapanzo
Jun 22, 2018, 7:05 am

>120 Citizenjoyce: I put it in 2. Not sure how it ended up in 1 because I didn’t even know that the author was born in Canada. That’s very strange. Not to mention that it’s not a book of short stories but rather a full length novel.

I finished it shortly before midnight and it’s probably right at or near the top for “favorite book of 2018.” Absolutely loved it and will put her second book in reserve at the library today.

124thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 9:02 am

>122 quondame: Yes. It was just listed a little differently than I expected. The food wasn't mentioned, but the color was.

125quondame
Edited: Jun 22, 2018, 11:33 am

Well, I've managed a shared read in for all the challenges - some of these are also included in >90 quondame: as I'm still short of a any second sweep and some of the shared reads are major challenges for me in any case. But some are delights!


  1. Bloodletting and Miraculous Cures - Vincent Lam
  2. Keepsake Crimes - Laura Childs
  3. Saga, Vol 2 - Brian K Vaughan
  4. Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austen
  5. Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats - Kristen Iversen
  6. The Inn at Lake Devine - Elinor Lipman
  7. I Murdered My Library - Linda Grant
  8. Mouse Mansion : Sam & Julia - Karina Schaapman
  9. How to Stop Time - Matt Haig
  10. The Book That Made Me - Judith Ridge
  11. Blood and Circuses (trick riding) - Kerry Greenwood
  12. The Diving-bell and the Butterfly - Jean-Dominique Bauby
  13. Fables, Vol. 14: Witches - Bill Willingham
  14. Dog Songs - Mary Oliver
  15. Gods Behaving Badly - Marie Phillips
  16. Saga: Volume 1 (May #17) - Brian K. Vaughan
  17. Mudbound - Hillary Jordan


Also #14 is subject to allowing shared reads if the ancestral name is not shared. Still I'm glad I read Dog Songs - All dog lovers should!
>37 thornton37814: Can a shared read work for this challenge?

126FAMeulstee
Jun 22, 2018, 11:35 am

>125 quondame: WOW! My hat off to you, Susan, for being the first to do an all shared sweep!

127lindapanzo
Jun 22, 2018, 12:01 pm

>125 quondame: Wow, that is quite an accomplishment!! Congratulations.

128SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 22, 2018, 12:36 pm

>125 quondame:

Congra... *faints*

*revives* ...tulations, Susan! That is unheard of!

Even the one book that I managed to complete so far this month was not a shared read. :D

That’s an amazing accomplishment!

129lindapanzo
Jun 22, 2018, 1:06 pm

>128 SqueakyChu: The next thing you know, someone will aspire to a shared read sweep for the entire year.

130SqueakyChu
Jun 22, 2018, 1:18 pm

>129 lindapanzo: ...but would such a thing even be an enjoyable experience?! I hate doing things under pressure so I can’t even begin to understand this.

Ironically, the whole point of TIOLI when it began was to allow anyone to bail on a book without guilt even if it was a shared read! It’s funny how things have changed over the years...and, yes, years since it began in 2010. Pretty soon we can celebrate a decade of TIOLI challenges! :O

131lindapanzo
Jun 22, 2018, 1:42 pm

>130 SqueakyChu: I usually read what I want and try to get them into challenges. Once in awhile, someone will suggest something and a light bulb goes off and I want to read it too. I'm happy if I have 2 or 3 shared reads in a month.

132quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 2:46 pm

>126 FAMeulstee: >127 lindapanzo: >128 SqueakyChu: Thank you. It's been fun.

>129 lindapanzo: >130 SqueakyChu: Not me. My challenge for the month was to do this, so while the temptation might niggle, I will let it. I cannot say I enjoyed reading all of the books, but this list has so many people with such good taste that even when it isn't my preferred dish I have found something to appreciate - and everyone who doesn't hate dogs should read Dog Songs! And Ashes of London is my kind of awesome even if it didn't (yet) qualify for this list.

133quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 2:55 pm

>37 thornton37814: Is anyone tempted to do a shared ancestor name / shared read? I couldn't find Taylor or Oliver in the report my cousin sent which goes back into the 16th century, but I did find Allen, Baker, Brown, Cole, Drake, Fish, Foster, Gardiner, Hall, Harper, Hog, Jones, Knight, Lake, Lewis, Lord, Martin, McClary. Page, Parker, Phillips, Pratt, Reed, Rogers, Sawyer, Shaw, Smith, Tate, Walker, Wells, Whitman, Williams, Wolcott.

Surely someone shares one ancestor so named whose namesake wrote some short agreeable work?

134thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 5:17 pm

>133 quondame: If you can find something short or even a picture book (since we are running out of time) which I can easily get, I share Fish, Knight, Parker, and Phillips with you. I plan to hit my Taylor book (which is pretty thick) as soon as I finish a NetGalley book whose archive date is June 29. I've had it only a week or so, so it's a bit unfortunate it came up so quickly. There are a couple other names which are not proven but which I may have, but I'll stick with proven ones for now.

135Citizenjoyce
Jun 22, 2018, 5:31 pm

>125 quondame: Congratulations. I share you feeling about shared reads. I’ve found a few clunkers and some really wonderful ones.

136FAMeulstee
Jun 22, 2018, 5:38 pm

>130 SqueakyChu: I know you created TIOLI with something else in mind, Madeline, but the sweeps do motivate me. I mainly use the TIOLI challenges to get through my pile of unread childrens and YA books, with some library books added to make a sweep.
And it makes a big difference that reading goes easy, so I can read a lot. I was more picky on my reads when I could only read one or two books a month...

137thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 5:50 pm

>133 quondame: >134 thornton37814: The Curio Dealer's Wife by Ingrid J. Parker might fit the bill. It's about 24 pages long and only 99 cents at Amazon for the e-book.

Medieval Dead by G. R. Parker is 16 pages. Not sure what to expect of it, but it would be over quickly! Also 99 cents.

A Slave to Free-Verse by Daniel Parker is a book of poetry with 32 pages. It's a bit more expensive at $2.99.

The Art and Craft of Murder by Cozy Cat Parker (the first in the Cozy Mysteries series) is 47 pages and free.

There's also a children's picture book by Amy Parker called Thank You, God, for Daddy which is only $1.99. It's 21 pages.

138quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 6:39 pm

>137 thornton37814: Oh thank you! Do you want to pick something?

139thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 6:43 pm

>138 quondame: I'll let you choose. I, at least, narrowed it down.

140quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 6:58 pm

>139 thornton37814: Then let's start with The Curio Dealer's Wife by Ingrid J. Parker. It took a great5grandmother to get to a Parker born in 1702. My family tends toward long generations.

141thornton37814
Jun 22, 2018, 7:28 pm

>140 quondame: That one sounded interesting. I'll download it! I actually have 2 Parker ancestors. One married in 1792 (I can remember that date but not her birth date off the top of my head--go figure); the other was born approximately 1800-1810, but she was deceased by the time her son made his way to Monroe County, Mississippi in the late 1840s. Still I didn't have to go back as far as you.

142SqueakyChu
Jun 22, 2018, 8:14 pm

>136 FAMeulstee: The idea really was to make challenges fun rather than just a chore to get through books. I like them for stretching what I read. I think the sweeps have turned out to be a great motivator. The shared reads were so people would talk to each other since they were reading the same book at about the same time.

I’ll probably never sweep, but I like to try to read books for different challenges each month. It’s fun to try to put a chosen book into someone’s challenge.

143quondame
Jun 22, 2018, 9:58 pm

>142 SqueakyChu: The TIOLI is kind of like a book that way - what you intended and what people make of it.

144SqueakyChu
Jun 22, 2018, 10:16 pm

>143 quondame: Very true!

145SqueakyChu
Jun 23, 2018, 10:23 am

The TIOLI Awards for May, 2018

The Gee Whiz Award goes to @FAMeulstee for reading Go, Went, Gone for DeltaQueen's challenge to read a book That Has A Title Word That Starts with the Letter G. This challenger's book title (excluding the subtitle of books submitted by others) had more than one "G" in it's title. Golly, gee! Haha!

The TIOLI Points Trend Award goes to @raidergirl3 for the very clever idea of listening to books others were listening to or reading for her own challenge to Read (or listen) to a book from YA Sync 2017 or 2018 in order to have lots (!) of shared reads. It worked...and this challenge amazingly ended up with 8 TIOLI points, all of those including her own shared reads.

The We Empathize Award goes to @Citizenjoyce for reading a book by Jeff Passan and to @raidergirl3 for reading a book by Ragnar Jonassson for owlie13's challenge to read a book that has a body part in the author's name. Sadly, both of those authors have an ass right in their surnames! So sorry! :D

The Vacation Scene Award goes to @antqueen for reading The Secret Garden (I loved that book!) for Carmenere's challenge to read a book with characteristics of a vacation spot in the title. The qualifying word for that book was garden...which reminded me of the perfect trip I took in May, 2018, to Longwood Gardens in Pennsylvania, USA. Yes, a garden is a winning word!

The It's About Time You Read This Book Award goes to @wandering_star for reading Himself for lindapanzo's challenge to read a book you acquired on or after January 25, 2018. This book was acquired on February 9, 2018. This is the earliest date of any of the more than 40 other books listed for this challenge.

The Let's Do It All Award goes to @paulstalder for reading Santinis Frau for susanna.fraser's challenge to read a book where part of the author's name begins with G. The author of this book was Giuseppe Gracia whose first and last name started with a G. That works!

The Scrabble Maven Award goes to @calm for reading Eight Months on Ghazzah Street for helenliz's challenge to read a book where one word gives a Scrabble score of more than 2.5 points per letter. If you guessed that the word was Ghazzah, you're right. That word had a Scrabble score of 32 points, 4.7 points average for each letter.

The Baker's Award (Heh!) goes to... (You guessed it!)...@paulstalder for his challenge to read a book where one word of the title or the author's name is an ingredient for baking bread. This challenger creates challenges kookier than the ones I think up. I love it!! Anyway, this challenge had the first icons in a challenge. Did everyone get a chance to peek at those cute little breads? Three loaves of bread were baked for that challenge, but I think one is still in the oven! :O

The It's Fun to Say That Award goes to @FAMeulstee for reading Wiplala Weer for countrylife's challenge to read a book with a two-word title, both starting with the same letter. I'm guessing that the book title is in Dutch, and I have no idea what it means. However, it's a fun phrase to say...so it wins! :D

Congratulations to our award winners! Feel free to give out some awards of your own at this time.

146raidergirl3
Jun 23, 2018, 11:22 am

Woo! Two awards, thank you.
I wasn’t sure about using Johanasson as a body part, but when I saw that Citizenjoyce had used Passan already, I added it.

147FAMeulstee
Jun 23, 2018, 1:25 pm

>145 SqueakyChu: I am honored to get TWO awards this month! Thank you, Madeline!
It wasn't the subtitle of Go Went, Gone, it was the Dutch title where all words start with "G" :-)
Wiplala Weer would be in English "Wiplala again"". It is the sequel after Wiplala, the book I read for your challenge. Two books about a tiny man (NO not a dwarf, a wiplala!), who can do magic, sometimes...

148calm
Jun 23, 2018, 1:40 pm

Thanks for the award

149Citizenjoyce
Jun 23, 2018, 3:11 pm

Aw, thanks >145 SqueakyChu:, I never got an ass award before.

150SqueakyChu
Jun 23, 2018, 4:37 pm

>147 FAMeulstee: It wasn't the subtitle of Go Went, Gone, it was the Dutch title where all words start with "G"

Even better!

151SqueakyChu
Jun 23, 2018, 4:37 pm

>149 Citizenjoyce: I hope this is the last ass award you ever get!! LOL!

152avatiakh
Jun 23, 2018, 5:10 pm

>125 quondame: I see we shared a read of The book that made me. I hope you liked it as much as I did. I enjoyed Will Kostakis's 'Hatchet' chapter, where the book that made him, was a book that he didn't read past 6 pages. I 'met' Judith Ridge on the children's lit serv years ago when she was doing her MA thesis on Diana Wynne Jones.

153quondame
Jun 23, 2018, 6:05 pm

>152 avatiakh: That was a fabulous chapter and the name of book was just perfect. The direction you don't want to go has at least as important a role in where you end up as anyplace you want to get to. I that was my first encounter with Judith Ridge's writing.

154paulstalder
Jun 24, 2018, 4:37 pm

Thank you ver ymuch for the awards. I met Giuseppe Gracia a few weeks after I read his book. I told him that I didn't like his book so much (well I used different words) and he recommended his latest book to me, 'Der Abschied' (The farewell), which is not yet in LT. Well, if I see it in a book box I will take it home :)
The baking idea: I had another idea in mind when somebody came up with a similar challenge, so I had to rework my challenge and thought about some kind of 'teamwork' when baking apple cake at home ....

155jeanned
Jun 24, 2018, 5:28 pm

I've finished Joyland and Mindbridge and today will finish Ironweed, all relatively short reads if anyone cares to join me, for Challenge #17.

156quondame
Jun 25, 2018, 1:49 am

FAMeulstee Congratulations on your second June sweep Anita!

157FAMeulstee
Edited: Jun 25, 2018, 2:42 pm

>156 quondame: Thanks, Susan, you are also nearly at a double :-)

I have edited >84 FAMeulstee: to list the titles of the books read this month for a double sweep.

158SqueakyChu
Jun 25, 2018, 2:42 pm

>157 FAMeulstee:. Wow! Wow!

Congrats on your double sweep, Anita!

159FAMeulstee
Jun 25, 2018, 2:46 pm

>157 FAMeulstee: Wow, you are fast, Madeline, thank you!
I am now reading the last books I listed for this month.

160katiekrug
Jun 28, 2018, 9:09 am

On the wiki, Challenge #10 no longer appears in the "Contents" box and as a result (I assume), it is no longer editable.

161SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 28, 2018, 9:38 am

>161 SqueakyChu: Fixed. Thanks!

162katiekrug
Edited: Jun 28, 2018, 9:42 am

Thank you, Madeleine!

163SqueakyChu
Jun 28, 2018, 9:55 am

>162 katiekrug: I tried to fix it yesterday and couldn't figure out how. Today I fixed it right away. Go figure! :D

164neverstopreading
Jun 28, 2018, 11:07 am

Oi! I'm going to have to work hard or be creative to get a TIOLI book in this month.

165countrylife
Jun 28, 2018, 11:59 am

I am in awe of all you folks who sweep so early in the month, or double-sweep, or match every sweepin' read! Even on the rare occasions when I manage a sweep, it takes me the whole month to get it done. But, yay! - this is one of them. I just finished a sweep for June.

166lindapanzo
Jun 28, 2018, 12:06 pm

>165 countrylife: Congrats on your sweep, Cindy.

167SqueakyChu
Jun 28, 2018, 12:15 pm

>165 countrylife:

Wow, Cindy! Congratulations!

I consider finishing three books a “dusting” for myself. I can’t even imagine doing a sweep! Haha!

168FAMeulstee
Jun 28, 2018, 12:55 pm

>165 countrylife: Congratulations Cindy!
Yesterday I was just wondering if you were ging to make it this month.

169quondame
Jun 28, 2018, 2:11 pm

>165 countrylife: Congratulations!

170Citizenjoyce
Jun 28, 2018, 11:41 pm

I finished Varieties of Exile (in the US Montreal Stories for a sweep today. I thought I'd love it since it has an LT rating of 4.26. It was probably one of the most boring books I've ever listened to. But it got me a sweep, so I guess it was good for something.

171SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 29, 2018, 12:50 am

>170 Citizenjoyce: But it got me a sweep, so I guess it was good for something

Hahaha! Congrats on your sweep, Joyce!

172FAMeulstee
Jun 29, 2018, 6:43 am

>170 Citizenjoyce: Congratulations, Joyce!
Not every book is for everyone. I read two of Alice Munro's books for that challenge. She even got the Nobel, but I didn't like her books.

173neverstopreading
Edited: Jun 29, 2018, 2:16 pm

Well I've gotten some done.

3. Read a book with a cryptogram of D-A-D hidden in its title - Amazonia by James Rollins
5. Read a book about the environment - If I Ran the Rain Forest: All About Tropical Rain Forests by Bonnie Worth
9. Read a book set in at least three different time periods - Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil deGrasse Tyson - OK, this may not be what the challenger had in mind, but he starts with the Big Bang, discusses the present day, then trillions of years in the future. If that isn't 3 time periods, then what is? :-o
10. Read a book where the author's name has the same vowel in first and last name - A Short History of the Headship Doctrine in the Seventh-day Adventist Church by Gerry Chudleigh
12. Read a book that takes place in or around a beach/ocean - The Beedog by Addie Broussard
13. Read a book from a series of more than 5 published books which is not the first in timeline or written order - Protectors by Kirsten Beyer

174SqueakyChu
Jun 29, 2018, 12:31 pm

>173 neverstopreading: Your list looks impressive to me!

175Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jun 30, 2018, 3:27 am

>172 FAMeulstee: It made me feel like a low brow that I found this high rated book so boring. Maybe if I’d put real effort into it, analyzing the characters and settings, I would have liked it more. If it had been for book club I would have tried harder, but not just for personal reading. What made it even more disappointing was that I liked the first story very much and thought it might represent the whole book. I always feel that I’ve missed something when I dislike a highly rated book.

176Dejah_Thoris
Jun 29, 2018, 11:00 pm

Congratulations to Double Sweepers Anita and Susan! And also to Sweepers Joyce and Cindy! Kudos to all!

>114 SqueakyChu: May was a good moth for TIOLI Points, but it looks as though June may be even better! Susan has blown it away, of course, but it looks as though there are a lot of shared reads by a variety of people.

>109 lyzard: My Grammar Challenge proved harder than I expected. I'm glad you finally found some titles that matched. BTW, I really shoud finish Ruth Fielding in the Great Northwest, so we'll both have another shared read :)

>155 jeanned: I did join you for Mindbridge, Jeanne - I've marked it as complete on the wiki!

>175 Citizenjoyce: It happens to me all the time, Joyce - particularly with literary fiction. I regularly remind myself it would be boring if we all liked the same thins.

177lyzard
Jun 29, 2018, 11:08 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris:

Ooh, yes please!

Yes, it's funny: the challenging challenges (?) aren't always the one you expect... :)

178quondame
Jun 30, 2018, 12:42 am

>176 Dejah_Thoris: Thank you. I'm not quite done yet. I had to actually take a break and do some SCA business stuff. And a bit of adulting. But I have tomorrow mostly free!

179avatiakh
Jun 30, 2018, 6:47 am

Can't find a place for Call it sleep by Henry Roth, just finished this, I started in September last year.

180FAMeulstee
Edited: Jun 30, 2018, 7:41 am

>179 avatiakh: If someone has a book with a pronoun for #15, you could add yours under verb.
Working on it :-)

181FAMeulstee
Jun 30, 2018, 7:46 am

>179 avatiakh: >180 FAMeulstee: Your book is now in challenge #15, Kerry.

182SqueakyChu
Jun 30, 2018, 9:55 am

>176 Dejah_Thoris: I'm happy that our stats have stabilized. I think we continue to have a steady core of TIOLI challengers that keep up the fun.

183quondame
Jun 30, 2018, 12:21 pm

>181 FAMeulstee: If you could find a place for the wrong Claws for Alarm, it would at least make something of the time I wasted reading a book I would have thrown across the room after a chapter or two if I didn't think it was a shared read!

184FAMeulstee
Jun 30, 2018, 12:51 pm

>183 quondame: Same title, wrong writer? You could put it in challenge #3, Claws for Alarm.

185avatiakh
Jun 30, 2018, 4:11 pm

>181 FAMeulstee: Thanks so much Anita. I just got up now, it's the 01 July here already and saw your message. Now looking for my July reads.

186quondame
Jun 30, 2018, 4:24 pm

>184 FAMeulstee: Thanks! I really should have checked, because the cover is so waterless, but often books have a variety covers.

187FAMeulstee
Jun 30, 2018, 5:15 pm

>185 avatiakh: You are welcome, Kerry :-)
I am filling the challenges ansd started my fist July read today.

>186 quondame: Next time go from the link on the wiki-page, then you go straight to the right book.

188quondame
Jun 30, 2018, 6:15 pm

189Helenoel
Jun 30, 2018, 10:25 pm

I managed to get back in the game with six books this month. I had a rough winter and did very little reading and less posting about reading.

190SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 30, 2018, 10:53 pm

Housekeeping Day!

Please remove from the wiki any books you do not finish by 12 midnight tonight -- except for any rolling challenge books which you can just mark DNF (did not finish). Thx!

191quondame
Jul 1, 2018, 12:16 am

Well, I think that's it for me. I did good. 47 total, 30+ shared reads.

But.. I didn't read 12 books that I had gone so far as to check out
And there is a rather large pile of books that are due sometime in the next two weeks.
For more details:

What I didn't Read in June

192Citizenjoyce
Jul 1, 2018, 4:45 am

193calm
Edited: Jul 1, 2018, 10:14 am

Still got a couple to add - including a shared read with >191 quondame: Thendara House

Edit - done