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2020, contd. (IV)

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Jun 15, 7:51am Top

Trump campaign zeroes in on a new threat: Elizabeth Warren
ALEX ISENSTADT | 06/15/2019

The president's team is about to go after a candidate he had left for dead.

...Trump aides and their allies at the Republican National Committee, who initially believed their money and manpower were better focused elsewhere, are digging up opposition research, deploying camera-wielding trackers, and preparing to brand Warren as a liberal extremist.

...she could pose a serious threat in a general election. Warren’s disciplined style, populist-infused speeches, and perceived ability to win over suburban female voters, Trump advisers concede, has raised concerns...Warren has a more coherent message and a more passionate liberal following than Biden, whose support they see as soft...


Jun 16, 2:59am Top

Trump Warns of Epic Stock Market Crash If He's Not Re-Elected
Ros Krasny | June 15, 2019

Ramps up fear factor as 2020 campaign set to officially start
Dow Jones’ performance under Trump so far has been middling

“If anyone but me takes over,” Trump told his 61 million Twitter followers on Saturday, “there will be a Market Crash the likes of which has not been seen before!”

...As Trump kicks off his re-election campaign, the chances of a recession starting in the U.S. within the next year have risen to 30% from 25% a month ago, according to a June 7-12 survey of economists conducted by Bloomberg News. Recent figures have shown slowing job gains, and Trump’s tariff threats are weighing on business sentiment. The rising U.S. budget deficit and national debt have also raised alarm bells.


Jun 18, 1:03pm Top

Orlando Sentinel announces endorsement for whichever Democrat takes on Trump In 2020

Hours before President Trump is set to kickoff his 2020 reelection campaign in Orlando, the city’s largest news organization announced they are endorsing whoever challenges Trump in the general election regardless of who it is.

“We’re here to announce our endorsement for president in 2020, or, at least, who we’re not endorsing: Donald Trump,” the Orlando Sentinel said in its Tuesday staff editorial. “Because there’s no point pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump.”

After nearly three years, the paper’s editorial board said it has seen enough.

“Enough of the chaos, the division, the schoolyard insults, the self-aggrandizement, the corruption, and especially the lies,” they said. “So many lies — from white lies to whoppers — told out of ignorance, laziness, recklessness, expediency or opportunity.”

Jun 19, 7:49am Top

>3 2wonderY:

"So many lies--from white lies to whoppers--told out of ignorance."

What? Do the paper's editors mean that, had he been better-informed, Trump would not have told lies "out of ignorance"?

Speaking of ignorance, a lie is a deliberate falsehood, told with knowledge of its falsity. If one misstates fact out of ignorance, we call this "an error," a "mistake."

True enough, then: no one can ever accuse Hillary or Bill Clinton of having told so many lies "out of ignorance." They were well aware of the falsity of every lie, just as they uttered it.


Trump's critics make themselves look like the morons which, in fact, they are.

Edited: Jun 19, 11:35am Top

Voters interested in progressive ideas are beginning to split between Sanders and Warren.

Are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders the same? The debate, explained.
Sanders and Warren: two candidates with similar policies and fundamentally different politics.
Tara Golshan | Jun 18, 2019

...much as they agree, there are policy and governance areas where the two notably diverge. Warren has shown support for reparations for descendants of enslaved people, Sanders said he was opposed to direct payments, however, like Warren, said he would sign a bill to research the idea as president. Warren is for ending the filibuster in the Senate, Sanders has warned against it. And when it comes to health care, the policy issue Democratic voters consistently list as their top priority, Warren and Sanders don’t have the same convictions.

Warren has co-sponsored Sanders’s single-payer proposal, but on the campaign trail keeps her talking points on universal health care; she speaks about Medicare-for-all more in terms of expanding public options for health care, rather than eliminating private insurance altogether. It’s in stark contrast to Sanders, who takes every opportunity to explain and advocate for single-payer health care, making the case that the incentives cannot be truly in the interest of the patients unless private insurance is out of the equation.

Another is foreign policy. The two have taken the lead on establishing a progressive approach to foreign policy on the road to 2020; however, as the New Yorker’s Osita Nwanevu writes, “Sanders’s critique of American foreign policy generally runs deeper and goes back farther.” As often pointed out by the Sanders-supporting contingent in this debate, Warren, who has made a point to target Pentagon corruption on the campaign trail, herself has been seen as a champion for defense contractors in her own state of Massachusetts, where giants like General Dynamics and Raytheon are major employers and hold billion-dollar defense contracts with the federal government.

All said, to a more casual political observer, their takeaway messages can sound very similar. Sanders likes to say, “At the end of the day, the 1 percent may have enormous wealth and power, but they are just the 1 percent. When the 99 percent stand together, we can transform society.” And Warren says she’s in a “fight to build an America that works for everyone, not just the wealthy and the well-connected.”

...fundamental difference in how Sanders and Warren see themselves on the ideological spectrum.

Warren is a social democrat. Sanders is a democratic socialist. The difference between the two is best explained by how Warren and Sanders convey their skepticism toward capitalism, said Sheri Berman, a political scientist with Barnard College, who has written extensively on the history of the left.

“Both Sanders and Warren have put forth a slew of policies a couple of election cycles ago would have been seen just far ahead of where the Democratic Party was,” Berman said. “If you believe in capitalism and you believe it has gone a little off the rails in the last generation, but it remains the best system to maintain economic growth and democracy, then Warren is the better candidate for you.”

“Or do you believe that capitalism is inherently unjust, inherently unstable?” Then Sanders is the right fit, Berman said...


Jun 19, 11:03am Top

#5--I think Sanders recent democratic socialism speech was kind of a self-inflicted wound. Mind you I don't mind what he was saying at all but I think lots of people are going take speeches like that the wrong way. I don't know if he felt a need to respond to the negativity to his campaign from the likes of Delaney and Hickenlooper but really he needs to ignore people like that altogether. They're not really a threat unless he makes them into one.

It's still really early. He has a shitload of activists and volunteers and no problem raising money out of small donations. He's had a hard time getting traction in the polls but there are a couple caveats--regarding Biden--I think his support is soft and dependent on major donors and corporations. Biden doesn't have the street level activists or volunteers. The other caveat I have is with polls themselves--a lot of which are dependent on people with landlines which under represent people more inclined to vote for him and Warren.

Warren and Sanders are kind of splitting the leftier vote--Biden is dominating so far more moderate towards center right voters. Biden does have a lot of skeletons in his closet and he's going to get grilled on this harder and harder and I wonder if he's going to hold up. I guess we're going to see.

Warren continually rolls out great policy proposals. She's smart as a whip. Will she start connecting more?

Jun 19, 1:50pm Top

When was the last time the US had two Democrat candidates anything like these two (aside from Sanders last time)? The real push should be to get the two running together.

Jun 19, 1:56pm Top

What I really don't want to see is a ticket with Sanders and some moderate Democrat for VP. With Sanders age, or an assassination (a real possibility with the way Trump has been hyping the "they're going to steal the election meme"), what would be the point of electing Sanders if we end up with the status quo.

Jun 19, 8:39pm Top

Civil servants, take note:

Donald Trump team threatens to lay off employees if Congress doesn't eliminate agency
David Jackson| June 19, 2019

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump's administration is threatening to furlough or lay off up to 150 employees at the Office of Personnel Management if Congress does not agree to eliminate the federal agency or find a new way to pay for the positions.

Members of Congress who oppose the administration's plan to kill off OPM and move its functions elsewhere called the plan an effort to intimidate lawmakers and contend it is an attack on federal workers' rights...


Jun 20, 4:10am Top

#9--really weak.

But anyway Sheldon Adelson bankrolls both Netanyahu and Trump and Sheldon Adelson wanted us to nuke Iran years and years ago. Nothing has changed with Sheldon Adelson apart from now Sheldon Adelson is getting what he's always wanted because he's got people in place who will do what he wants.

Jun 21, 3:17am Top

Cory Booker Proposes Clemency for Thousands of Nonviolent Drug Offenders
Nick Corasaniti | June 20, 2019

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey on Thursday announced a plan to offer clemency to more than 17,000 inmates serving time for nonviolent drug-related offenses on the first day of his presidency, an expansive use of executive power that would be the broadest clemency initiative since the Civil War.

The plan, which draws heavily on previous legislation he has introduced and passed as a senator, takes pains to address the vast racial inequalities wrought by the so-called war on drugs. It focuses on those serving sentences for marijuana-related offenses, as well as those with disparate sentences because of old distinctions between crack and powder cocaine.

It also addresses inmates whose sentences would have been reduced had the First Step Act, a bipartisan bill co-sponsored by Mr. Booker and signed by President Trump late last year, been applied retroactively...


Jun 27, 11:19am Top

Two takes on Elizabeth Warren:

Nicholas Kristoff
Why I Was Wrong About Elizabeth Warren

Warren has become the gold standard for a policy-driven candidate, and whether or not she wins the Democratic nomination, she’s performing a public service by helping frame the debate.

Warren’s proposals might or might not succeed, but they are serious, based on work by top scholars. She is a believer in a market economy, regulated to keep it from being rigged, and in corporations that contribute to the well-being of all. And while she’s no expert on foreign policy, her instincts on avoiding war with Iran and showing concern for Palestinians seem good ones.

Frank Bruni
Elizabeth Warren Aced the First Democratic Debate

During the first hour, Warren was crisper than most of her peers. She was clearer. I didn’t always like what she said. But she said it well, leaving no doubt about the direction in which she’d pull the country and giving voters a fair amount of detail, within the crushing constraints of time, about the map that she’d use to travel there.

Like Sanders, she has welded herself to progressive ideals, such as an end to private insurance, that could be grave general-election liabilities. Like him, Warren divides the country neatly into villains and victims. Like him, she has sharp edges that she doesn’t worry about smoothing. And she clings to no word more tightly than “fight.” Warren got the last word on Wednesday night, and finished her remarks with this promise to struggling Americans: “I will fight for you as hard as I fight for my own family.”

But is there ample hope for healing in her message? Is it too potentially divisive, too morally stark? And is the best adversary for Trump a livid warrior or a happy one? Even as Warren impressed me, she left me with these questions. They’re big ones, because nothing matters more than limiting this president to one term by presenting him with the toughest foe.

Jun 27, 11:58am Top

I have respected EW for a while. She has plans worked out, what to do and how to pay for them. No other candidate is as well prepared.

Jun 27, 1:05pm Top

The surest way for the Democrats to lose the next election is to worry excessively about whether their candidate can beat Trump and forget about the issues.

Edited: Jun 27, 1:40pm Top

What "Democrats" proved in the last presidential election was that they didn't even understand what, for great swaths of the general public, "the issues" were. And we have no evidence of their having gotten any better idea of what they are since then.

Apparently, Democrats are, on one hand, going to raise, (i.e. level up, the standards of living for all but the wealthiest-- a most worthy goal, that--and, at the same time, on the other hand, make virtually every lower-earning or unemployed Mexican man, woman (and their children) de facto citizens of the United States by importing them to be residents.

That, of course, ought to be very interesting--because impossible.

Yesterday's Evening Standard (London) carried, on page one, the photo of the Mexican father and daughter drowned as they tried to cross the Rio Grande from Matamoros to Brownsville, Texas. The photo carried the cut-line text, "The picture that shames America."

No. Rather, the shame belongs to Mexico.

Jun 27, 4:34pm Top

16: You really should stop posting when you are drunk.

Jun 27, 9:05pm Top

>17 StormRaven: You really should stop with your cliches. It embarrasses you. And you should respond when you make false accusations and are called on it. They discredit you.

Jun 28, 6:19pm Top

A New Racist Campaign Against Kamala Harris Is Taking Shape
Craig Silverman & Jane Lytvynenko | June 28, 2019

“Seeing the tweets declaring that Kamala isn’t black enough because her parents are from Jamaica and India, I had an immediate flashback to the 2008 campaign.”

Not long after Sen. Kamala Harris challenged Joe Biden’s record on race during part two of the first Democratic debate last night, a barrage of tweets questioned her race and US citizenship. While these claims erupted into national prominence last night, in part due to a quote-tweet from Donald Trump Jr., falsehoods about her have long been simmering in fringe conspiracy and neo-Nazi circles.

Just as Barack Obama’s US citizenship and background became a full-fledged conspiracy theory — promoted at the time by Donald Trump — Harris has also been targeted with disinformation questioning her race and legitimacy as a US citizen. Obama birther conspiracy theorists and prominent neo-Nazis, including Andrew Anglin, have questioned her eligibility to run for president, and she’s been labeled an “anchor baby.”

In fact, Harris was born in Oakland to an Indian mother and Jamaican father, and is eligible to run for president...


Edited: Jun 28, 6:41pm Top

There is no candidate that doesn't have a few skeletons in the closet--some though have a lot too many. Biden has been collecting for a long time.

MSNBC and CNN are on this campaign to discredit anything remotely resembling a medicare for all plan. Joe Scarborough might be anti-Trump but even so he's a former republican congressman from Florida and his sidekick Mika--her father went to the Kissinger school of foreign diplomacy. These people can't entirely be trusted nor the likes of a lot of others associated with these networks. I find their commenting on medicare for all to be disingenuous and one sided. This notion that people are in love with their health insurance is a crock and it's also fear mongering because in the way they've been parsing it people will be stuck with no medical coverage and/or have their taxes raised without remarking about having their insurance premiums erased. They're doing the work of the health care industry that regularly gouges the consumer--limits choices, raises rates at a whim and denies coverate whenever possible and makes medications that people need unaffordable. It's all about corporation profits over people. Joe Scarborough is rich enough that he doesn't have to worry about being cleaned out because of a health event or even two or three--same with the likes of Chris Matthews, Stephanie Ruhle etc. etc. 98.5 % of the rest of public does though.

Jun 28, 7:37pm Top

>19 margd: Good god, who is more of the politicos than Harris?
And why are all these assholes running? What does Beto O'Rourke or Cory Booker or Amy Klobuchar or Biden or these other fools have to offer? Beto is too late--Obama beat him to the cool candidate slot. Biden is too Hillary. Booker and Klobuchar are too slender. Sanders and Warren have serious heft, and maybe Harris does as well. Tulsi Gabbard is weighted down by her Indian connections. After Trump, someone perceived as running for people and not self-glorification might be refreshing. Warren still seems the only one I can trust. Bernie needs to be huddling with her, as I have said, figuring out what he needs to hear before lending his support. Oh, and Mayor Pete? What made that guy decide to run for President of the United States?

Edited: Jun 28, 8:38pm Top

#21--I don't have an issue really with people like Booker, Harris, Gabbard, Inslee running really. Booker has a couple issues like reparations that's worthy of discussion--Harris has a realizable shot, I like Gabbard's anti-war message and Inslee's pushing the climate change issue. If a candidate has something worthwhile to say--stay in by all means.

OTOH Beto should run for Texas Senator--he has a chance to win that and it would be useful if he did. He's useless in this. People like John Hickenlooper, Swalwell or the guy from Montana who all think it's very important to get Republicans to vote for them. The Montana guy bragging it up that he can win because he's won in a Red State which only says to me he went really far to the right to do it. Hickenlooper sees everything through the prism of a micro-brewery businessman and Swalwell's cabinets picks are going to be half and half democrats and republicans. I mean really? WTF! Maybe we'll have another round of Mnuchin and Chao. Biden's kind of working that same message and they'll call themselves progressive to boot. Klobuchar, Bennett and Gillibrand have no traction and aren't really offering very much--I think they'll all drop out before too long. All the people mentioned in this paragraph are really weak on health care and climate change so IMO they should GTFO.

Jul 3, 8:25am Top

NRA meltdown has Trump campaign sweating
ALEX ISENSTADT | 07/03/2019

...With the Chamber of Commerce and Koch political network withdrawing from their once-dominant roles in electing conservatives, Republicans worry that three organizations that have long formed the core of their electoral infrastructure will be effectively on the sidelines.

The predicament has so troubled some Republicans that they are calling on the famously secretive NRA to address its 2020 plans. Within the past week, senators have privately expressed concerns about the group to National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman Todd Young...


Jul 3, 9:05am Top

#23--from what I've been hearing though Trump has been raising lots of cash--that though is apart from Senate and House republicans who aren't doing nearly as well and really I don't see him or his campaign sharing with them--so at least a larger number of them might be out of luck.

Jul 3, 1:55pm Top

So Trump $ will sway R primaries? R moderates, such as they are, won't have a chance?

Jul 3, 3:26pm Top

I don't think there's such a thing as an R moderate really. Look at Joe Scarborough--when he was in Congress he was kind of a fire breathing conservative for his time--he really hasn't changed but now a lot of people look at his MSNBC show and think he's a moderate or a voice from the middle. The question to me is who is willing to follow Trump over the edge. The way it looks right now most of them will but somehow I think Captain Trump has other things in mind than going down with his ship--if need be the rest of his crew can though.

Jul 3, 8:39pm Top

Yeah, "moderate Republicans" is bullshit. Your average Democrat is your "moderate Republican". It boggles my mind that even after three years of Trump--and longer, probably since Reagan--anyone would give this vile company, this party of murdering, thieving, raping, lying, dollar-worshiping-at-the-expense-of-all-else scumbags the time of day.

Wake up already. You've been landed into a fascist dystopia by these people and they've got you right where they want you.

Jul 4, 2:13am Top

I should have said Rs with a spine. Justin Amash is sure no moderate, but he has a spine. I can respect him for that.

Jul 4, 4:08am Top

There weren't a whole lot of Republican moderates back in 2008 when Obama came into office. The tea party movement targeted each and every one of them and wiped them out. They're gone. Amash is a libertarian--I can give him enough credit that he actually believes in something and has a mind of his own but he's the only one that has really defied the leadership and he is a pariah now and everyone knows it. It's funny too that back in the 70's Richard Nixon of all people twice went to congress--even made a nationally televised speech with the aim of giving full health care coverage to every living soul in the United States. The thing that's happened over the last 40 + years is as democrats try to take over the middle ground from the Republicans they move them more to the right so the middle ground moves more towards the right. That's why staking out positions is important--your people know what you stand for and you move into the middle territory without at least considering why. It's also why people in other countries say we have no viable left political party--it's because as the Republican Party has gone further to the right the Democratic Party follows right behind.

The thing with the Republicans now though is they've come to the point where they've almost fully embraced fascism. Trump rallies are pretty much all about waving the flag and roaring about others whether they're Muslims or Hispanics or whatever. They are the lifeblood events right now of the Republican party. No matter what stupid shit he says they cheer him and they feed off each other's energy. It's a picture of American that everyone around the globe can see and unfortunately there are people all over encouraged by it too.

Anyway his wall does nothing for anyone--it's just an expression of hate--compare it to Nixon wanting to give everyone health care. That's how far the Republican party has fallen.

Edited: Jul 4, 9:03am Top

Nixon did country favor of leaving and more or less keeping still after his disgrace. He had some honor, at least.

Also, "President Richard Nixon proposed the establishment of EPA on July 9, 1970 and it began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order." (Wikipedia)

What have the Rs come to that Nixon looks so good in comparison?


ETA: speaking of Justin Amash, as sun rises on Independence Day:

Justin Amash: Our politics is in a partisan death spiral. That’s why I’m leaving the GOP.
Justin Amash | July ,2019 6:00 am

Justin Amash, an independent, represents Michigan’s 3rd Congressional District in the House... (His father immigrated from Palestine.)

George Washington was so concerned as he watched political parties take shape in America that he dedicated much of his farewell address to warning that partisanship, although “inseparable from our nature,” was the people’s “worst enemy.” He observed that it was “the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.”

Washington said of partisanship, in one of America’s most prescient addresses: “The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. …

“It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

True to Washington’s fears, Americans have allowed government officials, under assertions of expediency and party unity, to ignore the most basic tenets of our constitutional order: separation of powers, federalism and the rule of law...

...The founders envisioned Congress as a deliberative body in which outcomes are discovered. We are fast approaching the point, however, where Congress exists as little more than a formality to legitimize outcomes dictated by the president, the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader...

...No matter your circumstance, I’m asking you to join me in rejecting the partisan loyalties and rhetoric that divide and dehumanize us. I’m asking you to believe that we can do better than this two-party system — and to work toward it. If we continue to take America for granted, we will lose it.



Amash might run for president as independent?

Amash quits Republican Party
Brandon Conradis - 07/04/19

...Amash has fueled speculation in recent weeks that he's planning to mount a third-party challenge to Trump, whom the Michigan lawmaker has repeatedly criticized in the wake of special counsel Robert Mueller's report on 2016 election interference.

...in June, Amash insisted he had no interest in playing "spoiler" in the 2020 election, saying that if he runs, he intends to win.

Asked at the time if he had made a decision on a third-party presidential run, Amash said, "I haven't ruled anything out."


Jul 4, 1:36pm Top

The idea that the Democrats can work with the Republicans is a loser. Mitch McConnell won't budge an inch for them and trying to appease that party 'to get something done' will keep anything actually worthwhile from being done. I don't know why the Democrats are so worried about winning back Trump voters from 2016 when all they have to do is win most everybody else. This is at least party why when Joe Biden says he can work with republicans or Eric Swalwell talks about having a half and half cabinet of republicans and democrats or when Scarborough gets Hickenlooper to go after anyone or thing that can be termed 'socialist'--these are all losing ideas. It's taking your own base's wants and desires for granted and making your oppositions more important.

Mitch McConnell would hold up the next Supreme Court justice 3 and a half or even 6 and a half years if he can get away with it. He doesn't care about right/wrong or anything else except his own power and he's not the only one they have like that. What Lindsey Graham says one year he completely contradicts another if it suits his purpose. Biden--work with them?--that's a pipe dream--the only thing Biden will accomplish are Mitch McConnell goals.

Jul 11, 9:54am Top

Saw a great bumper sticker last week.


Edited: Jul 11, 11:43am Top

Jul 12, 8:59am Top

In a single day, Trump shows his 2020 cards
ANITA KUMAR 07/11/2019

The president is sending his base a clear message: He’s still fighting even if his policies stumble.

...In 12 hours on Thursday, through speeches and on Twitter, Trump stepped directly onto some of the most volatile fault lines that could rev up his fiercest supporters: immigration, the Pledge of Allegiance, social media bias, unfair trade with China, big banks, Iran, special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference, impeachment and, of course, individual Democratic candidates for president...


Jul 12, 12:55pm Top

#34--funny thing about executive orders--if you don't have the funding to pay for them then they're pretty much worthless. Watching Donald and Barr blustering over their voter repression census question failing in the courts all I could think was bullshit and more bullshit. 'Yeah--this executive order is a better way to do it anyway'. Sure--so why didn't you do it that way in the first place then?--fuckheads. The answer is because it's really not but rather than admit they lost they felt the need to gaslight their supporters that they're still going to win.....and here's Barr like a total kiss ass and tool thanking and congratulating Trump over and over again like the sycophant he is.

Edited: Jul 15, 1:44pm Top

The gift that keeps on giving (to Trump), "The Squad" v. Pelosi:

racist Trump has opportunity to defend Pelosi against being racist

narcissist Trump generates headlines

criminal Trump diverts headlines from child abuser/protector, migrant holding conditions, Iran, etc.

candidate Trump exacerbates divisions in opposing party AND finds new bogie women for his mysogynistic, nationalistic, racist base


ETA: candidate Trump and allies take out the communist, anti-Semitic epithets

Jul 18, 7:37am Top

34 contd. Yikes!! Presidency past. Presidency present. Presidency future???
Watch video clips of Trump's N.C. rally last night at https://twitter.com/atrupar:

Aaron Rupar @atrupar (vox) | 12h12 hours ago (July 17, 2019 ~7 pm)

Trump begins his speech by saying it could be a long one because he has "nothing to do." Good gig if you can get it.

Trump gloats over Wednesday's failed attempt to impeach him, thanks the Democrats who voted against his impeachment

Trump tries to goad the crowd into booing the "fake news" but in an unusual twist they don't really take the bait this time

It's July 17, 2019 and Trump is still out here reminiscing about the 2016 election

Trump's human backdrop in North Carolina is very white but there are a lot of women

TRUMP, echoing someone in the crowd, refers to the Mueller probe as "bullshit." The crowd goes wild.

TRUMP praises himself with some hyperbole: "Nobody in their first two and a half years has done anywhere close to what we -- not me -- what we have all done."

Trump says that "all" the world leaders who visit him in the White House, "including dictators ... start off by saying Mr President, I would look to congratulate you on the incredible economy you have created, the greatest anywhere in the world by far."

Trump, alluding to Democratic congresswoman of color, says they "want to demolish our constitution, weaken our military, eliminate the values that built this magnificent country." The crowd boos them loudly.

Trump mentions Ilhan Omar, and the loudest boos of the night break out. Trump's speech is then interrupted by a protester*.

"He goes home now to mommy and he gets reprimanded and that's the end. 'Sorry mommy. Sorry mom. Didn't mean to embarrass you, mom,'" Trump says.

Trump fans eventually break out in "send her back!" chants directed toward Ilhan Omar, a Somali refugee who serves in Congress who Trump viciously smeared.

Trump on AOC: "I don't have time to go with three different names. We'll call her Cortez. Too much time. Takes too much time."

Trump suggests migrant detention camps really aren't that bad because they have air conditioning and are "clean." (There's video evidence they are not clean.)

TRUMP: "Tonight I have a suggestion for the hate-filled extremists who are constantly trying to tear our country down. They never have anything good to say. That's why I say 'hey, if they don't like it, let them leave. Let them leave. Let them leave!'"

TRUMP on Elizabeth Warren: "Pocahontas is gaining a little bit because we probably used the 'Pocahontas' a little bit too early, but that's okay, we will bring it out of retirement very soon." #BeBest

Republican candidate Greg Murphy claps into the microphone like a madman

Trump's brain short circuits when he tries to say "ninth congressional district"

Trump pushes an egregious lie: "The Democrats want to spend more money on health care for illegal immigrants more than the citizens of the United States."

Trump dehumanizes & pushes gore pore about MS-13, including mimicking how they purportedly stab people.

"These are sick people. When I called them 'animals' Nancy Pelosi said, 'how dare he use that name?' ... these are savage beasts."

TRUMP: "Hey Bernie, let me save you a lot of time and effort, Bernie. You missed your time. It got taken from you four years ago, Bernie. Not doing too well ... but you've gotta hand it to him, he's up there ranting & raving like a lunatic."

Trump then mockingly mimics Sanders

TRUMP on Brad Parscale: "He just told me our poll numbers are through the roof ... he just told me that so I'll take that. I mean, we are a year & a half away, but we're doing well."

Trump says this with a straight face: "The Democrats' vision on healthcare is deception and disruption ... patients with pre-existing conditions are protected by Republicans much more so than were protected by Democrats who can never pull it off."

While (again) trashing Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas," Trump reveals that he's still hopelessly confused about how fractions work.

"She then went out and got that test. 1000/24th! ... 1000/24th ... 1000/24th."

(He has it backward.)

TRUMP: "You know, it's interesting with women. So, women want to have strong military protection. They want to have strong borders. They want to have strong law enforcement. They want to have great education ... why wouldn't they want Trump more than anybody else?"

Trump spends a couple minutes "joking" about staying in office for longer than two terms.

TRUMP: "If we don't win in 2020, everything that we've done, seriously, everything we have done -- your 401ks, it will crashing down like a stack of cards ... it can disappear very very quickly."

Trump tells a complete BS story about a businessman who doesn't like him personally but supports him anyway because he's such a great president. If a guy at the bar talked to you like this you'd slide down a couple stools.

Trump complains that he has no friends: "I lost all my friends! They've tightened up. They've choked. They can't breathe. Because people have such respect for the office of the president."

LOL -- Trump starts talking about "apprenticeships and job training," while leads to him talking about The Apprentice, which leads to him trashing Arnold Schwarzenegger -- and then he abruptly says, "I proudly signed 4 bipartisan human trafficking laws." #StableGenius

TRUMP: "A vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism ... frankly, the destruction of our country." 😳

Trump tells a "sir" story about a general and mentions how the general is good looking and is straight out of "central casting"

“Send her back!” Trump’s rally in North Carolina was an orgy of bigotry

Here's Trump praising a "beautiful baby" adorned with a Qanon* logo during same rally in which his fans serenaded one of America's first Muslim congresswoman with "send her back!” chants.

Classy, normal stuff.


* Protester unfurled blue banner "Keep America great" and was removed.

** QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory social media platform detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump (wikipedia)

Edited: Jul 18, 2:11pm Top

Is the GOP speeding up its demise during this deplorable Trump era?
Unintended consequences are closing in on the dinosaur party ~ the
elephant is already dead!

Jul 18, 3:20pm Top

It's less a demise than a transformation, if that... and it seems to have finished a while back, at least around the time even a war criminal like Dumbya found it necessary to distance himself from the monster.

Edited: Jul 20, 8:12am Top

This week's events have indicated that in 2020 Americans are going
to be voting for the kind of country they want their future family
members to grow up in ~ one filled with hate and discord or one
where people co-exist and thrive.

Jul 20, 8:39am Top

#41--to thrive we are going to have to spread the wealth out a lot better than we have. Even with Trump out of the picture there are powerful entities that are dead set against that. One of the smartest things we could do is cut military or military industrial complex expenditures down radically--at least 50%. Make corporations and the superwealthy pay taxes again. This would go a long way towards paying for things the population actually needs.

Edited: Jul 21, 10:43am Top

2020 election cast of characters

Trump ~ the pimp
GOP reps ~ the prostitutes/human pretzels
GOP voters ~ the satisfied customers

Jul 21, 10:52am Top

Everyone else: has to clean the pissed-on mattress with a single cotton swab and a travel-size contact lens solution

Jul 22, 6:26am Top

A strategy perspective for Ds from David Duke races:

Tim Wise @timjacobwise | 9:17 AM · Jul 21, 2019

1/ If the Dems blow this election it will not be because they were "too far left on policy" or because they "weren't left enough." It will have little to do with policy at all. They are making a mistake caused by traditional consultant theory that does not apply here...

2/ And by listening to influential pundits in liberal media who also don't get the unique nature of Trumpism, relative to normal political movements & campaigns...this election is NOT going to be won by talking about all your "great plans" for health care, jobs, education, etc..

3/ And the reasons are several...Let me begin by saying that I have experience confronting the kind of phenomenon we see in Trumpism, and far more than most. Any of us who were involved in the fight against David Duke in LA in 90/91 know what this is and how it must be fought...

4/ So before explaining what the Dems are doing wrong right now, a little history...In 1990, white supremacist David Duke ran for U.S. Senate in LA, and in 1991 for Governor. He lost both times but both times he won the majority of the white vote (60 and 55% respectively)...

5/ I was one of the staffers of the main anti-Duke PAC at the time & ultimately became Assistant Director. In 90, even though our Director Lance Hill, myself & a few of our founders wanted to focus on Duke's bigotry, ties to extremists and appeals to white racial resentment...

6/ ...after all, that WAS the issue--it was a moral struggle against racism--we had mainstream Democratic consultants who warned us against focusing too much on it. They said that "played into Duke's hands" and allowed him to set the agenda....

7/ So sure, we could discuss his ties to Nazis & such, but we shouldn't make a big deal out of his contemporary racist appeals, per se, bc "lots of voters agree" with those appeals...they even encouraged us to talk about utterly superfluous shit like Duke paying his taxes late..

8/ Or Duke avoiding service in Vietnam, or Duke writing a sex manual under a female pseudonym (yeah he did that)...although Lance held firm that we needed to talk mostly about racism, we did end up talking about some of that other stuff too, sadly...

9/ I say "sadly" because doing that normalized Duke as a regular candidate. Attacking his generic character or bill paying habits (or even discussing his inadequate plans for job creation, etc) treated him like a normal candidate. But he was/is a NAZI...

10/ And none of his voters were voting 4 him bc of jobs, or tax policy or support for term limits, etc. And none were going to turn on him over late tax payments, Vietnam, etc. Indeed throwing that stuff out there & downplaying the elephant in the room (racism) seemed desperate..

11/ It allowed people to say "well if he's really this racist, white supremacist, why are they talking about all this other stuff?" It actually undermined our ability to paint him as the extremist he was/is. And as a result, the threat he posed was not clear enough to voters...

12/ And this didn't just allow him to get votes he might not have gotten otherwise; it also depressed turnout among people who almost certainly disliked him but didn't think he could win or would be all that big a deal if he did. In fact I recall convos with "liberals"...

13/ ...Who said they weren't going 2 vote bc after all Duke's Dem opponent was just a shill for the oil and gas industry, and that was just as bad, blah blah fucking blah...because some lefties can't tell the difference between corporatist assholes and actual literal Nazis...

14/ But we bore some responsibility for that because we got suckered into playing this conventional game and "not playing into his narrative." Anyway, Duke gets 60% of the vote, black and white liberal turnout is lower than it should have been and Duke gets 44% of vote...

15/ In the Governor's race we dispensed w/ all that bullshit. We talked about Duke's ongoing Nazism and the moral/practical evil of his racist appeals. We discussed how that moral evil would have real world consequences (driving tourists and business away, rightly so, from LA)..

18/ To flip Duke voters would require that they accept the fact that they had previously voted for a monster, and people are loath to do that. Our goal was not to flip them, but to DRIVE UP TURNOUT among the good folks, many of whom stayed home in 90...

19/ And that is what happened. The concerted effort of the anti-Duke forces (not just us), challenging Duke's "politics of prejudice," and making the election about what kind of state we wanted to be, drove turnout through the roof...

20/ 28,000+ registered on one day alone, between the initial election and runoff (which Duke made bc of the state's open primary system), with tens of thousands more overall: most of them, anti-Duke folks...

21/ When it was over, Duke had gotten 65k more votes than in 90, but his white share went to 55 (from 60) and overall to 39 (from 44) because the anti-Duke turnout swamped him...So what does this have to do with 2020 and Trump? Do I really need to explain it?...

22/ First, trying to flip Trump voters is a waste of time. Any of them who regret their vote don't need to be pandered to. They'll do the right thing. Don't focus on them. That said, very few will regret their vote. They cannot accept they voted for a monster or got suckered...

23/ Duke retained 94% of the folks he got the first time out (and got new people too), as Trump likely will. So forget these people--or at least don't wast time tailoring messages to them. And policy plans for affordable college don't mean shit to them, nor health care...

24/ Their support for Trump was never about policy. It was about the bigotry, the fact that he hates who they hate...Second, as for the "undecideds." ...Not many of these but seriously? If you're still undecided at this point about this guy...

25/ Then there is almost no way to know what would get you to make up your mind...I doubt it's a plan to deal with Wall Street though, or infrastructure, or tax policy...

26/ If anything, I would say crafting an argument that this is an existential crisis for the nation--and making it about Trump's bigotry and who we want to be as a country, would be far more effective in inspiring them to make up their minds...

27/ And what I know for a FACT is that this message--that Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about and love about this country--is what will inspire the Dem base to vote...and THAT is what this election is about...

28/ I'm not saying the Dems don't need policy ideas, but focusing on wonky, look-how-much-I've-thought about-this stuff is not going to move the needle in 2020...

29/ What the left never understands is: we need to stop approaching elections like the goddamned debate team, and start approaching it like the right does, like the cheerleading squad...

30/ The right knows psychology and we know public policy and sociology...great. The latter does not win elections...

31/ People who say the Dems should ignore Trump's race baiting because its some genius political strategy calculated to distract us, are idiots. He is no genius. And if you downplay it you NORMALIZE him. If you make this about policy, you NORMALIZE him. He is a racist...

Jul 22, 9:26am Top

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump | 9:44 AM - Jun 15, 2019
The Trump Economy is setting records, and has a long way up to go....However, if anyone but me takes over in 2020 (I know the competition very well), there will be a Market Crash the likes of which has not been seen before! KEEP AMERICA GREAT


Democratic candidate Warren sees U.S. economic downturn; urges quick steps
Reuters | July 22, 2019

...In a statement, Warren said “warning lights are flashing” and the chances of a downturn are “high and growing.”

The U.S. economy has been expanding for 10 years, the longest on record, with low unemployment and inflation, and a strong stock market.

Nevertheless, Warren labeled the U.S. economy “precarious” amid high household and student debt. She warned that an increase in interest rates could “plunge families over a cliff.”

The Massachusetts lawmaker noted that corporations are holding a growing number of high-risk loans and the country is experience a downturn in manufacturing.

As an antidote, Warren called for a $2 trillion investment in environmental research, manufacturing and exports over the next decade to revitalize the industrial base. She estimated such investment would create more than 1 million jobs while also addressing climate change issues.

To help insulate the U.S. economy from potential shocks, Warren called on federal regulators to abide by steps to stop banks from issuing risky corporate loans. She also urged the Trump administration to stop encouraging the UK to leave the European Union unless a firm Brexit strategy is in place...


Edited: Jul 22, 1:40pm Top

The Trump era is the modern-day version of the Hitler era.
An American leader doesn't have to look, sound or act like Hitler to be evil in this day and age ~ he can be a charming life-long con man.

Jul 22, 1:26pm Top

>45 margd:

It's useless, as one can see even in the microscopic example in this group, barring one or two exceptions. There are the Trumpists, people who positively love Trump's misogyny and racism, natural-born fascists, and they are a problem of one kind. But then there are the white male shits and their handmaidens who think of themselves as "the left" but don't really believe women and non-whites are people and can't compute misogynistic and racist attacks as serious problems, even when they see them deployed as the most powerful tool for mobilizing the masses. Just like the Germans didn't care about the attacks on the Jews. That's not politics for white men, only what concerns the white man's belly and ego is worthy of concern. "It's the economy, stupid." Jews can go hang, women can go hang, blacks can go hang, gays and the trans can go hang--only what affects the white male baby in the strictest sense of its self- and culture-inflated ego is important. Only the white male baby is a human being.

They saw and heard Trump attack and humiliate women, blacks, Mexicans, over and over again, in the crudest terms, in most blatant ways, everything short of him actually raping or shooting someone right in front of them.

And they didn't care. Not then, not now, and I don't see why that shit would change come November.

Jul 22, 1:32pm Top

Reminder from January 2017:


Yes, he started with wanting to ban "undesirable" refugees and Muslims and now he IS going after US citizens.

Jul 22, 1:40pm Top

>47 Molly3028:

“Of course, they didn’t call it fascism. They painted it red, white, and blue, and called it Americanism.”

Keeper of the Flame, 1942

Jul 22, 2:07pm Top

49: Reading through that thread two years later really drives home what mendacious sleazebags the cohort of "conservative" posters on the site truly are.

Jul 22, 2:23pm Top

>51 StormRaven:

You'll have noticed how they find it in themselves to accommodate Trump from one stage to another... at first X is tolerable, but Y unthinkable, then Y is not so bad, but Z looms as another "threshold"--but nothing is a real obstacle anymore.

Jul 22, 5:38pm Top

#45--I would circle 22--trying to pander to Trump voters would be a terrible way to go.

Edited: Jul 23, 12:03pm Top

>48 LolaWalser:

"And they didn't care. Not then, not now. And I don't see why that shit would change come November*."

Well, exactly! What's the point, really, of one's pointing out a puddle of puke on the sidewalk when, alas, one, herself, provokes others to puke?

You need a case, a brief, a compelling argument for why Trump, as puke, is any worse than the puke you and yours represent.

But you don't have these and, to borrow your observation, "I don't see why that shit would change" between now and November. Now that really is a fucking shame.


* i.e. November, 2020.
(LOL!) from the annals of "The Soothsayer's Guide to Modesty"

Jul 23, 12:03pm Top

54: I see that the drunk racist drug-addled unemployed homeless man is once again screaming incoherently on a street corner.

Jul 24, 8:11am Top

Managing and Mitigating Foreign Election Interference
Arya Goel, Diego A. Martin, Jacob N. Shapiro | Sunday, July 21, 2019

...Twitter and Facebook were by far the most popular platforms for these kinds of coordinated inauthentic behaviors. Of the cases we identified, about 83 percent used Twitter as a tool, while about 50 percent used Facebook.

...Having learned lessons from the 2016 U.S. presidential election, governments in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and the United Kingdom have taken measures to protect their electoral processes. France, for example, successfully combined voter education, retaliatory threats, and proactively countering propaganda and leaks in its 2017 election.

...This is what victory in this fight will look like: not an end to FIEs, but their gradual marginalization by the combination of internet platform self-policing (sometimes in order to protect their businesses) and government actions that raise the expected costs for attackers. As others have argued eloquently and at length, the evidence suggests that a collective response that integrates actions by the government, the private sector and civil society groups will make it harder and harder for foreign nations to interfere and shape the politics of their adversaries.



Democrats paint McConnell as 'lead opponent' to election security in new report
Maggie Miller | 07/23/19

...details what the Democrats see as steps taken by McConnell since 1999 to resist election security and voting reform efforts.

“For years, Sen. McConnell has fought to increase the impact of dark money and corporate spending in our elections,” the Senate Democrats wrote. “But now, after reportedly fighting efforts to expose Putin’s interference during the 2016 elections, Senator McConnell is blocking bipartisan reforms that would secure our elections from foreign interference.”

...McConnell noted that “Congress will...resist...any efforts to use the failures of the past to justify sweeping federalizations of election law, as some on the other side have consistently sought to do.”

...McConnell has so far not brought up House-passed election security and voting reforms bills, including the For the People Act and the Securing America’s Federal Elections (SAFE) Act.

Republicans have also blocked efforts by Senate Democrats to push through other election security bills by unanimous consent, including one that would require backup paper ballots and provide election security grants to states, and another that would require campaigns to report offers of illegal foreign assistance to the FBI.

...The Senate did pass legislation last week that would make it a federal crime to hack into voting systems, and also passed a bill earlier this year that would deny visas to those who meddle or are suspected of trying to meddle in U.S. elections...


Edited: Jul 26, 7:07am Top

What if we lose confidence in election outcomes?
Putin smiles, for one.

Russia Targeted Elections Systems in All 50 States, Report Finds
David E. Sanger and Catie Edmondson | July 25, 2019

WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, an effort more far-reaching than previously acknowledged and one largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time.

...bipartisan report...findings were so heavily redacted at the insistence of American intelligence agencies that even some key recommendations for 2020 were blacked out.

...the first volume of several to be released from the committee’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference — came 24 hours after the former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III warned that Russia was moving again to interfere “as we sit here.”

...intended largely to search for vulnerabilities in the security of the election systems.

...“Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data” in the Illinois voter database. The committee found no evidence that they did so.

...While the Senate Intelligence Committee’s findings were bipartisan, they came on a day when Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, moved again to block consideration of election security legislation put forward by Democrats...long opposed giving the federal government a greater hand in an institution of American democracy typically run by the states...argues that Congress has already done enough — passing $380 million worth of grants for states to update their election systems and supporting executive branch agencies as they make their own changes. Some administration officials have suggested that the issue is not getting enough high-level attention because President Trump equates any public discussion of malign Russian election activity with questions about the legitimacy of his victory.

... a cascading intelligence failure, in which the scope of the Russian effort was underestimated, warnings to the states were too muted, and state officials either underreacted or, in some cases, resisted federal efforts to offer help.

...“Russian intentions regarding U.S. election infrastructure remain unclear.” Moscow’s intelligence agencies — chiefly the G.R.U., Russia’s main military intelligence unit — may have “intended to exploit vulnerabilities in the election infrastructure during the 2016 elections and, for unknown reasons, decided not to execute those options.”

...it might have been cataloging options “for use at a later date” — a possibility that officials of the National Security Agency, the Department of Homeland Security and the F.B.I. said was their biggest worry.

...Russian officials had requested to send election observers to polling places in the 2016 election — just as the United States often seeks to send observers to elections in foreign nations, including Russia.

...the most efficient way to alter votes was with physical access to the machines or computers rather than programming them with ballots.

...ranged from the concrete — ensure a paper trail for voter machines and paper backups for registration systems — to the strategic, like adopting a doctrine of how to deter different kinds of cyberattacks.

...suggested holding “a discussion with U.S. allies and others about new cybernorms,” ...debate inside the administration over how much the United States itself is willing to forgo the option of using its own cyberabilities abroad.

...Some states...appear not to have the money to fix a voting machine infrastructure that has no paper backup to its balloting process, making a truly reliable audit impossible.

Other states still have highly vulnerable registration databases...

...Even (fall 2016), the report makes clear, the agencies did not understand the scope of the Russian effort.

...(cybersecurity coordinator) position at the White House has since been eliminated by John R. Bolton, the national security adviser.

...“states...should purchase more secure voting machines. At a minimum...a voter-verified paper trail...states should remain firmly in the lead on running elections.”

The states say they do not have the money to conduct a replacement program by November 2020.


Edited: Jul 27, 10:00am Top

>57 margd: "What if we lose confidence in election outcomes?"

Who cares about confidence in the elections' "outcomes", "margd", when you've lost confidence in the electorate itself! ?

You see, marge, you don't respect the electorate when the "outcome" of its ordinary practices goes against your personal prejudices' desires. So your "confidence" in those "outcomes" is clearly predicated on their aligning with only what you happen to approve.

If you had the sense to recognize the irony of your posting "What if we lose confidence in election outcomes?", you'd have a heart-attack laughing your ass off.

Jul 27, 8:45am Top

#58--the idiocy of this post of yours shouldn't go unremarked. If we were going by what the electorate had to say--the candidate with the second most votes is the candidate who won--so no the majority of the electorate did not vote for Turnip--he won on the technicality of an electoral college that overrides the actual plurality of voters. This by the way is how the Republican party manages to gain power in the last couple decades--not by majorities of votes but by targeting where and who the votes come from--that is why also the need on their part to keep the vote as suppressed as possible--because they do not represent--what's more they know they do not represent the views of a majority of the population. It is why a good many of them are not too fussy either about getting help from out of country actors but it's not just the Russians who have an ability to hack into our elections--one would think the North Koreans, the Chinese, Israel and Iran are capable of the same and they all would have good reason to--especially now and especially because Mitch McConnell and his Senate republicans are intent on blocking any kind of fix to the system.

I suppose a quid pro quo argument could be made though that the United States has long been interfering with the elections of other nations spanning the globe and this is just chickens coming home to roost. That is just a tangential issue to what you're talking about but one I would think worth one day having a discussion about in this forum--not necessarily with you though.

Edited: Jul 29, 8:23am Top

The ghost of Roger Ailes is living in the FOX News complex. Getting Trump re-elected is its #1 goal. It is living rent-free in the heads of the FOX News celebrities he developed. WWRD? must play constantly in their minds.

Edited: Jul 29, 8:25am Top

Trump and his 35% base are soul mates ~ those voters will NEVER turn against him. Another 10-12% are happy with their economic conditions. He could very well win another term. I hope the happy campers are saving some of the loot they are earning ~ last in means first out when the coming recession hits the companies they work for.

Edited: Jul 29, 12:46pm Top

( Snowflake trigger-warning: You may need your Trauma-Pillow.)

"What Were Robespierre's Pronouns?"

Welcome to America, your new home. Let's begin to learn our new home's language: An immigrant could learn to speak English if they want to, right?

Jul 30, 8:23pm Top

62: The U.S. has no specific language and never has. Attempts to define a "national language" for the country have always been racist in nature.

Jul 31, 7:02am Top

#63--that is true and in actual fact much of the Southwest was Mexican territory in towards the middle part of the 19th century which is enough reason for many people in that region to still speak Spanish. The oldest Americans of all--Native Americans had/have their own languages. So English as a language wasn't here first.

The disrespect for other languages and cultures isn't just racist though--it's also anti-intellectual. People wanting to wallow in their ignorance and make it into a virtue. There is also their fear of others and this goofy need to feel superior.

Jul 31, 11:59am Top

The GOP wants to distribute more of our money up to the rich. Are the rich going to be buying food, clothes and other goods in your neighborhood?

Aug 1, 4:29am Top

Clara Jeffery @ClaraJeffery (Mother Jones) | 10:36 PM · Jul 31, 2019

Listen if a Democrat other than Inslee wins, they should create a Department of Climate cabinet position and put him in it.

Aug 1, 4:22pm Top

Michael Moore speaks the truth about the "mythical voter", the fucking white dickhead the Democrats lost sixty years ago anyway (and why? Because fucking white dickhead overwhelmingly vote fascist no matter where, because they ARE misogynist racist white supremacist):

"The working class are WOMEN, the working class are PEOPLE OF COLOR, the working class are YOUNG PEOPLE."


Aug 1, 4:29pm Top

The electorate going to the polls in the US next year will be 70% female, PoC, young (and/or, combos thereof).

White dickhead dinos still haven't got the message they are dead as a dodo. Ideologically speaking.

All that's left to the creeps is Nazi zombification.

Aug 1, 8:30pm Top

When someone describes themselves as 'working class' anymore my ears perk up because when I hear that I'm hearing someone separating him/herself from the always aspiring people who want everyone to know they're 'middle class' or something above. To say you're working class is almost to say I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty--also saying that I'm not looking down on somebody just because they're poorer than I am--to see solidarity and the potentiality of other working people no matter race, creed or gender. I rarely hear anyone saying they're working class though and I think it's a shame. We need to find commonality and community---not just think we're in this world by ourselves just for ourselves.

Another thing to think about is the fight for a living wage--because anyone that works a 40 hour work week should be able to afford to live a fairly decent life--to buy a home--to raise a family if they feel like it anyway. And the idea of the $15 is just a first stage--because as things continue to rise that will have to too. It's also why we need a government run health care system that wipes out the parasitical health insurance companies--that brings Big Pharma to heel once and for all. That caps profits at every level and doesn't bury anybody like happens today just because they can't afford to ever get sick or have an accident. So to correct things we're going to have to attack the wealthy and entities like major corporations that pool it.

Anyway since Michael Moore's first film Roger and me we've had a couple generations worth of watching the life go out of the eyes of people who've had their livelihoods taken away from them and in that case it was so GM and its investors could make a killing and killing is the right word but it's also like cannibalism--the rich eating the lives of ordinary people. And that film as it happens was much about Moore's hometown of Flint Michigan and the residents of that unhappy city these days are being poisoned by a water system that no one can find the money to fix because it's not one of the nicer, richer, whiter communities. Go figure.

Edited: Aug 5, 8:23pm Top

Class seems to have lost some connotations and gained other. Once upon a (medieval?) time, it seems to have had the solidity of caste, but now there's stability only at the very top and the bottom--everything in-between fluctuates.

What are even the markers of (working) class? In my father's youth, "working class" would have meant a manual worker, no school or elementary; at most, for skilled workers, some vocational school or apprenticeship. If you had a university diploma, you were middle class, or headed there.

But what happens to the notion of "class" in a society like the current American one, where the burger flipper may have a PhD, the plumber or car mechanic draw a six-digit income, where the "precariat" doesn't suffer so much from unemployment as overemployment (two and three jobs just to make ends meet), and even the "middle class" can go bankrupt overnight due to a medical bill?

I think Moore is calling attention to the masses of people--mostly women, people of colour, young people (and/or)--doing nowadays the majority of the "manual" work, which is nowadays the menial, service, low-paying work.

There's been a major "shittification" of jobs across the board too. Perhaps more salient on the "upper" end actually. Scouring toilets was always scouring toilets. But teaching, white collar jobs--those used to guarantee at least survival if not enrichment.

Edited: Aug 6, 3:19pm Top

This certainly sounds like Trump practice. Wondering if this represents a campaign policy ~

El Paso says Trump campaign owes over $500,000 for February rally

The El Paso Times reported in June that the Trump campaign had owed the city about $470,000 for services it provided to him during his campaign rally. The invoice included assistance from six city departments, including the fire, health, aviation and police departments.

"It shows a lack of concern for the community and the taxpaying voters of El Paso," city Rep. Alexsandra Annello told the newspaper at the time. "President Trump has in many ways, over the last year, put a financial burden on this community and has yet to show us the respect we deserve. It is clear that our borderland is not a priority of the president."


from June

Why the Trump campaign won’t pay police bills

But when Lebanon City Hall sent Trump’s campaign a $16,191 invoice for police and other public safety costs associated with his event, Trump didn’t respond. Trump’s campaign likewise ignored Lebanon officials’ follow-up reminders to cover the sum — one rich enough to fund the entire police force for nearly two days in this modest city of 21,000, between Dayton and Cincinnati.

The bill remains unpaid.

“There’s a lot of benefit when a president comes here: economic benefits, more visibility for our community,” Lebanon Mayor Amy Brewer said. “But I would hope and believe the Trump campaign would pay its bills. It’s our taxpayer dollars.”

The red ink Trump poured on Lebanon’s thin blue line is no anomaly.

At least nine other city governments — from Mesa, Arizona, to Erie, Pennsylvania — are still waiting for Trump to pay public safety-related invoices they’ve sent his presidential campaign committee in connection with his political rallies, according to interviews with local officials and municipal records obtained by the Center for Public Integrity.

Some invoices are three years old. In all, city governments say Trump’s campaign owes them at least $841,219.

Must Trump pay?

That depends on who you ask. The cities are adamant Trump should pay up. But in many of these cases, there are no signed contracts between the municipal governments and the Trump campaign. The cities dispatched police officers to secure Trump’s events because they believe public safety required it — and the U.S. Secret Service asked for it.

Aug 6, 3:28pm Top

>71 2wonderY: and a bit more

Trump’s MAGA Rallies Cost Big Bucks and Cities Are Stuck Footing the Bills

President Trump’s campaign rallies are racking up big bills, and he’s reportedly not paying them.

A new investigation from NBC News and the Center for Public Integrity found the Trump campaign owes city governments across the country upwards of $800,000 for police and public safety costs from his events.

The largest invoice to date comes from El Paso, Texas, where the president held a campaign rally in February. Trump still owes the city $470,417 for the event, the invoice shows.

Some invoices date back to 2016, before Trump was elected president. His 2016 campaign skipped out on municipal public safety bills from Green Bay and Eau Claire, Wisconsin; Tucson, Arizona; Burlington, Vermont and Spokane, Washington, according to the report.

Another five cities, including El Paso; Mesa, Arizona; Billings, Montana; Erie, Pennsylvania; and Lebanon, Ohio, are owed a combined $629,015.88.

The Trump campaign could face legal troubles for stiffing the bill.

According to the Federal Election Commission, “A political committee shall report a disputed debt … if the creditor has provided something of value to the political committee.”

Trump’s campaign has not reported any debts to municipal governments or their respective police departments, which is likely a violation of federal campaign finance laws, election law lawyers told NBC News.

Democratic lawmakers have taken issue with the president not paying his bills, too. California Rep. Zoe Lofgren, chairwoman of the Committee on House Administration called Trump’s actions “outrageous,” and added that “taxpayers deserve to know to what extent they are subsidizing the president’s political activities.”

Aug 7, 7:01am Top

I don't see why he should pay. The anti-Trump hordes never pay the police for their demonstrations, and those are much more devastating.

Edited: Aug 7, 8:50am Top

>74 RickHarsch: Why should someone agree to pay what they agreed to pay. Good point.

ETA: and if you've been paying attention, anti-Trump protesters, as did anti-Obama protesters when arrested have had to pay dearly.

Aug 7, 9:49am Top

There's nothing in evidence to say that Trump agreed to pay anything. It's basically just the local PD deciding they're owed for keeping the city safe on the day of the event, something they're supposed to do anyway.

And even if he had agreed, Greece agreed to pay its creditors and this whole board rallied around its secret right to stiff them later so...

Aug 7, 2:35pm Top

So it's okay to be a cheap prick.

Edited: Aug 8, 6:19am Top

#70--it's terrible. A sin. Young adults come out of college massively in debt and most can't find work in their field of study and find themselves working in low paying jobs--no benefits. It's happening everywhere and a lot of those young adults are becoming 30 and 40 year old's. Women and minorities are targeted for lower wages more than white men--that's an established fact. We're creating a world in which more than half of our population can't afford to live on their own, can't afford to buy a home--a car loan is even a really, really big deal. A good many young people really can't afford to have relationships that means having and bringing up children. I have two kids of my own who are heading towards 30--one with a geology degree--the other with a physics and the first spends half her year working at Best Buy and the other half as a temporary for the US Forestry Service and the second is doing part time retail work--neither has a sexual partner at this point--not that that matters all that much--many of their friends minus the ones who are gay are in the same boat and a good % of the earnings they're making goes to paying off debt. 20/30 years ago people their age would be buying houses and getting married. They weren't in debt up to their eyeballs before they even got started. Now that's the norm.

This is what comes from a trickle down economy--this is what comes from trade deals that benefit the already rich and corporate interests at the expense of the population. This is what happens with all their deregulation and all their tax cuts being targeted to only benefiting the rich. The Bush tax cuts--followed by the investment bank collapse of 2008--followed by the baling out of the banks--followed by the Bush tax cuts being made permanent during the Obama administration followed by the Trump tax cuts---every single one of these events benefited those that already have so much at the expense of everyone else. We're starving our young of opportunity to further bloat the fortunes of the 1%.

.......and then we have the over 1000 overseas military bases and all the money going into the military industrial complex and all the money that goes into fighting wars all over Northern Africa and then these clowns (including the Biden's) say--'how are you going to pay for this? or that? so we can't afford medicare for all--we can't afford fixing student debt and forget about climate or reparations--can't afford any of that.

It's a deliberate mismanagement of the economy going on by those with the political power and IMO the United States is waging economic warfare against its own population and both major political parties have played a part in it.

Aug 8, 8:05am Top

Cities should not get stuck with the costs incurred when Trump is entertaining his deplorable cult followers.

Aug 8, 10:05am Top

>76 RickHarsch: : it's not being a cheap prick to be thrifty. Mr Trump did not become a billionaire by throwing money away.

>78 Molly3028:: funny how every spending should be socialized except protecting people who aren't illegals exercizing their lawful political rights (a very dubious protection at that).

Aug 8, 10:24am Top

>79 Kuiperdolin: By all accounts trump became a millionaire by taking money from his daddy, getting enormous breaks from NYC and other governmental breaks AND by bilking people out of money. He is a cheap prick, yes, but far worse than that. Thrifty? Are you thrifty? Are you a billionaire?

Edited: Aug 8, 11:36am Top

>79 Kuiperdolin:

Mister Rump gets his income from theft, graft, bribes and other 50 shades of grubby, sub-mafioso villainy. Nice role model you got yourself there. Looking forward to the launching of the Rump fashion line in orange jumpsuits--I may even buy a few to gift.

>77 lriley:

Yes, it's terrible what's happening with the younger generations in the US (and as I've read in the UK--apparently there's been a great increase in adult children having to live with their parents due to rising costs of living).

It's downright insane how the US has allowed the young to be crippled in the name of profit.

Aug 8, 3:10pm Top

Some reason for optimism in 2020: young female voters.

Spring Breakers: Young Voter Edition feat. Allana Harkin | Full Frontal on TBS

Edited: Aug 8, 4:42pm Top

One of the bigger reasons for optimism for me--the two progressive groups--Our Revolution--run by Nina Turner and Justice Democrats. Several of their elected congresspeople overlap between the two groups--but they come down right now to Sen. Sanders of Vermont and 12 serving democratic house members that include Ocasio Cortez-NY14, Ilhan Omar-Mn 5, Rashida Tlaib-Mi13, Ayanna Pressley-Ma7, Pramila Jayapal-Wa7, Raul Grijalva-Az3, Ro Khanna-Ca17, Tulsi Gabbard-Hi2, Jesus 'Chuy' Garcia-Il4, Jamie Raskin-Md8, Deb Haaland-NM1 and Veronica Escobar-Tx16.

Among those who were also Our Revolution in 2018 were Andrew Gillum who came close to winning Governor of Florida, Stacey Abrams who was robbed of Governor in Georgia via corrupt and systematic voter repression, Ben Jealous (former NAACP leader) who ran for Maryland Governor and Dennis Kucinich who lost running for Ohio Governor.

Democrats don't like to see their own being primaried but they have a lot who are deserving of it. Justice Democrats are looking to primary several democrats in 2020.

Marie Newman is after Dan Lipinski's Il3 seat. Lipinski is anti-abortion, anti-medicare for all, anti-green new deal.
Alex Morse the mayor of Holyoke Mass is after Richard Neal's Ma1 seat. Neal is chairman of the powerful Ways and Means committee. He takes lots of corporate cash and his committee has come up short in getting Trump's tax returns.
Cori Bush--a nurse is after Lacy Clay's Mo1 seat.
Jamaal Bowman is after Eliot Engel's NY16 seat. Engel another conservative dem has spent a lot of his time labeling both Omar and Tlaib as anti-Semites. AFAIC he can go fuck himself.
Morgan Harper is after Joyce Beatty's Oh3 seat.
Jessica Cisneros is Henry Cuellar's Tx28 seat. Cuellar is one of the most conservative democrats and helped republican Will Hurd to narrowly defeat his democratic opponent in 2018.

Kara Eastman is after Republican Don Bacon's Ne2 seat.
Betsy Sweet is running against Susan Collins (notorious for her Kavanagh vote) for her Maine Senate seat.

There will be others.

...of note as well McKayla Wilkes is trying to primary Steny Hoyer--another very conservative Democrat in Md5. Hoyer is the No. 2 behind Pelosi.

This basically is the rundown for the most part of what the left is up to in the house and Senate. There are a few others that could fall into this category like Elizabeth Warren depending on how anyone decides they want to define left. Warren does have some excellent policy proposals. There's Sherrod Brown Ohio senator too.

I expect this group to grow in the next election though and I think Stacey Abrams for one is going to be a force to reckon with in the future.

Aug 9, 7:02pm Top

The anti-Trump hordes never pay the police for their demonstrations, and those are much more devastating.

You got any evidence to support this claim other than "you pulled it out of your ass"?

Aug 10, 4:52am Top

>83 lriley: I'm not aware that Tulsi's in the Justice Democrats. I know Our Revolution backed her up last year after she lost a lot of DNC-leaning contributors because of her 2016 endorsement of Bernie, but I don't know how supportive they'll be even congressionally now that she's running for POTUS herself. She does have some serious primary opposition for next year back in the Second District. I'm close to the FEC max-out for her presidential primary, but I think I can get a second max-out for the congressional primary if she decides to fight back against this Kahele guy. Seeing as I'm from Pennsylvania, I can't give her any volunteer congressional work like I'm doing presidentially, but at least I can help financially. I just hope her other presidential supporters do likewise.

Of course, I'm sure Grandma Nancy won't be applying the "incumbent protection rule" back in Hawai'i Second!

Aug 10, 8:00am Top

>85 CurrerBell: She's to cosy with Modi for me.

Edited: Aug 10, 12:52pm Top

Trump's 35% appear to be card-carrying members of the Trump
Crime Family cult. Another 10-12% are clamoring to become
members of the cult.

Aug 10, 5:08pm Top

>86 RickHarsch: Not sure how Tulsi's position varies significantly from Obama's.

Aug 10, 5:15pm Top

>86 RickHarsch: Not sure how Tulsi's position varies significantly from Obama's.

Aug 10, 5:43pm Top

Obama is a war criminal, so I would look elsewhere for character comparisons. (I'm just referring to bombing Pakistan and assassinating a US citizen in Yemen and his son in two separate drone attacks...the list goes far beyond, but these are well-documented and demonstrably criminal.)

Or I could say how does your friend (first name basis?) compare to Warren, Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez?

Edited: Aug 14, 9:40am Top

Something else that maybe should be talked about when choosing the Democratic candidate. Who are more likely to prosecute Trump and his conspirators and who possibly might pardon? This would be another thing by the way that bothers me about Biden---this need to be conciliatory to the other side. Maybe his AG would get the green light to prosecute but maybe not. Maybe worker's friend Joe would parse it as a moment to celebrate and bring everybody together. No one of consequence was ever prosecuted for the illegal Iraq invasion--just saying.

Edited: Aug 14, 4:34pm Top

I'll just let Johnstone do her polemicist thing.

MSM Smears Sanders For Saying MSM Smears Sanders

eta Topically relevant: https://fair.org/home/sidney-embers-secret-sources/

Aug 14, 4:38pm Top

#92--the so-called left media outlets like NYTimes, WaPo, MSNBC and CNN are really centrist. I don't think there's much doubt that their favorite right now is Mr. Biden. Mayor Pete is another of their creations. They're comfortable with them. Sanders is the 'socialist' and there is a real campaign going on in the main stream media outlets to portray all of that negatively. It's worse now actually than it was 3 years ago when I guess it seemed more novel.

'How you gonna pay for it'? all the time. They can find it for war though whenever they want. They have no problem bailing out banks or giving rich people and corporations tax breaks. They find money then--they find it for themselves and their own kind. Basically when the populations wants or needs something that's when it gets too expensive and I can understand this from the republicans who represent the rich but the democratic party lost its way and some of them are still lost.

Bernie's going to have to figure a way to fight through it though--if he doesn't then it well be someone else the democrats nominate. I'm just hoping it ain't Joe.

Aug 14, 5:28pm Top

Edited: Aug 14, 8:08pm Top

#94--he has speaking blunders like that all the time though and it's not just recent. Part of his problem is he's not that strong on policy and shifts with the political winds and he wings what he says a lot. He wants to be Obama lite.....but we can't just slough off the past 2 and a half years and there's no point going back 4 years with a lesser and older Obama wannabe. I think it's pretty clear by now that compromising with the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham to 'get things done'---those days are over. Those people can go to hell.

Aug 18, 7:44am Top

Trump’s obsession with crowd sizes, explained
Zeeshan Aleem | Aug 17, 2019,

Trump’s latest tweets about his New Hampshire rally continue his obsessions with crowd size and with bolstering his image as a popular politician.

...By using social media, (Trump) can block out the noise and the media narratives about how he is one of the least popular presidents in modern history, instead showing with seemingly irrefutable photographic evidence that he commands a large, enthusiastic following.

That enthusiasm is important: It is a crucial part of generating voter turnout — enthusiasm helped Democrats win the House in 2018 — and it’s going to be especially crucial for Trump’s reelection chances in 2020.


Aug 18, 10:52am Top

The Twittler wanks off to Triumph of the Will.

Edited: Aug 18, 8:48pm Top

So anyway for the rally in Portland Oregon organized and attended by right wingers--Trump singles out anti-fa protesters and threatens to name anti-fa as a terrorist organization yet not one negative word from him for any of the white supremacist groups that were there. One can only assume (again) that in his eyes these would be Nazi's are just fine as they are or good people.

I'll add that I've never heard of a single person associated with or supportive of Anti-fa who has gone on a killing rampage--shooting up Wal-mart's and bars or gay nightclubs. They don't seem obsessed with 2nd amendment rights or having assault weapons with bump stocks or murdering or deporting Latino's.....but they're going to be the terrorists. How fucked up is that?

Aug 19, 10:03am Top

Anthony Scaramucci says he's putting together coalition to stop Trump in 2020

"I'm in the process of putting together a team of people that feel the exact same way that I do. This is not a 'Never Trump' situation. This not just screeching rhetoric. This is -- OK, the guy is unstable. Everyone inside knows it, everyone outside knows it. Let's see if we can find a viable alternative," Scaramucci told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day."

Edited: Aug 19, 12:37pm Top

The typical Trump cult follower/voter appears to be in their 40s or 50s. They appear to have barely graduated from high school ~ why work for a grade of 70 when 60 was a now a passing grade was probably their montra. Now, they are barely surviving in a global economic world and they have decided a life-long con man is their only salvation. I was a teacher at that point in time, and I rued the day 60 became a passing grade. I believe the seeds for the Trump era where planted in the 80s.

GO Scaramucci and those GOPers who still appreciate the party's Lincoln roots!

Aug 19, 1:14pm Top

Scaramucci has never hit me as anything but a self-serving opportunist. I wouldn't trust anything he supports. I believe he is only looking for air time.

Edited: Aug 19, 3:55pm Top

>101 mamzel:

It takes a con man to bring down a con man! And, hopefully, a
Trump economic slump will help the cause.

Aug 19, 3:58pm Top

>102 Molly3028: Whatever it takes, but let's not wish for more misery for the little guy, no matter how deplorable.

Yesterday, 1:52pm Top

>102 Molly3028: From your lips...

Yesterday, 4:23pm Top

#100--FWIW I didn't do very well in High School and I'll be 62 soon. I literally walked out of or skipped hundreds of classes before it all was over....and yet no truant officer ever came after me and no one ever called my parents or knocked on their door--at least none that I know of. Well it was the 70's and I guess I fell between the cracks. Those years weren't happy years for me though either. College/University was always out of the question. My parents weren't going to pay for it and I wasn't interested.......and I wholeheartedly detest Trump. But anyhow one day on my motivation I did start reading a lot and I've never stopped. I also agree with the sentiment that people like Scaramucci shouldn't be trusted--the old adage that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is not a good idea. Trump needs to be gone and if it comes down to it I might even vote for someone I don't like--like Biden but that doesn't mean I'm ever going to like Biden and I certainly wouldn't vote for him twice because he's pretty awful.

Today, 7:13am Top

Trump accuses Jewish Democrat voters of 'great disloyalty'
BBC | 8/21/2019

...Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Mr Trump said: "I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty."

The remark was denounced by a number of Jewish American groups, which said it called on an established anti-semitic trope that accuses Jews of being more devoted to Israel than to their own countries....


Today, 10:36am Top

Trump critics eye GOP primary race, even if defeating him seems ‘preposterous’

a list?

Joe Walsh
Bill Weld
Mark Sanford
Jeff Flake
John Kasich

The anti-Trump movement inside the Republican Party — long a political wasteland — is feeling new urgency to mount a credible opposition to Trump before it’s too late. With state deadlines for nominating contests rapidly approaching in the fall, potential candidates face pressure to decide on running within the next few weeks. So far, only former Massachusetts governor Bill Weld has declared that he is running, but he has struggled to gain traction.

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