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2020: November election and beyond... (VIII)

This is a continuation of the topic 2020, contd. (VII).

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Mar 9, 9:58am Top

Josh Marshall (TPM) @joshtpm | 12:17 AM · Mar 9, 2020:

I’m sure others have thought of this. But it seems not implausible now that next January a Democratic President & possibly a Democratic Congress come into power just in time to inherit an ongoing pandemic and a wrecked economy and face the job of fixing everything Trump broke ..

2/ while GOPs stand on the sidelines, explain they were always anti Trump and kick up Tea Party 2.0 to exploit whatever hard decisions Dem have to make to clean up their mess.

3/ It’s certainly true that President Trump didn’t create this virus. But he seems to have fumbled the response badly. Also important he’s poured gas on the economy with tax cut giveaways to the super rich and bullied the fed into keeping rates very low. All of which limits ...

4/ the tools available to weather a severe contraction. He’s also helped make the global relations low trust, high fear and without any credibility to draw on to craft some kind of international response. So yeah, Trump didn’t create the virus. But his three year ego trip ...

5/ has left us poorly positioned to grapple with it and all the collateral damage.



Edited: Mar 9, 10:19am Top

Looking forward to 7-8 months worth of this:

Joe Biden: “Turn this primary from a campaign that’s about negative attacks into one that’s about what we’re for, because we cannot get reelect — we cannot win this reelection — excuse me, we can only reelect Donald Trump if in fact we get engaged in this circular firing squad here.”


Biden can only "debate" sitting down:

Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders will debate Sunday in Phoenix, Arizona, ahead of the state’s primary next Tuesday. The Sanders campaign has criticized the format of the CNN/Univision debate, which will see both candidates seated and includes taking pre-approved questions from audience members. Jeff Weaver, Sanders’s senior adviser, said, “Why does Joe Biden not want to stand toe-to-toe with Sen. Sanders on the debate stage March 15 and have an opportunity to defend his record and articulate his vision for the future?”

Edited: Mar 9, 3:34pm Top

Here we go:


Everybody dropping out gets something? And also his big bank buddies? How's Warren going to work with Jamie Dimon and Michael Bloomberg?

Edited: Mar 9, 9:44pm Top

Here is Biden's Corn Pop and hairy legs stories told with his own mouth on youtube. If the viewer can hang in there for 7 or 8 minutes anyway:


For those who don't think that his brain is kind of fried I don't know what to tell you. I look at this and it makes me cringe. This is an old man and I mean old in every possible way and he's the definition of gormless. He is Don Quixote getting set to attack the windmills. He's at that stage....and the establishment in the Democratic Party are dead set to fall in line behind this guy as their nominee. They know he's fucked up and yeah he might still win but they know he's f-u-c-k-e-d u-p (and yeah I know I just repeated myself). He's almost as unfit for the office as the current POTUS--just for a different reason. Whoever is the VP will be the interesting one on the ticket---not him. That person IMO is likely to be doing the job for him before his term is up and in a way it's kind of like that brokered convention idea where someone gets the Presidency without having to win primaries and caucuses.

Edited: Mar 10, 1:38pm Top

>4 lriley:

Detroit auto worker: "You are actively trying to diminish our Second Amendment right and take away our guns."

Joe Biden: "You're full of shit."

Biden staffer: "Alright, thank you guys--"

Biden: "No, shush! Shush!"

0:58 ( https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1237390097407815687 )
Biden Confronted On Guns During Auto Plant Visit
From Bo Erickson CBS

- Matt Wolking @MattWolking | 10:49 AM · Mar 10, 2020


Kind of amazing that anybody thinks this video makes Biden look anything other than terrific.
He shushes the aide who wants to lead him away - and then engages a hostile critic face to face, fact to fact. Impressive.

- David Frum @davidfrum | 11:36 AM · Mar 10, 2020

Mar 10, 2:28pm Top

#6--that is funny.

Edited: Mar 10, 3:28pm Top

>5 LolaWalser: Robert Reich:

... "Why am I telling you all this? I don't mean to scare you. And the last thing I want to do is to cause you to be hopeless and give up. To the contrary, I want you to be more determined than ever; despite all these attacks on democracy, we have what it takes to make Trump a one-term president—but only if we remain focused and united. It may seem daunting: we're up against a full-fledged attack on our democratic institutions. But there is a way forward. We can defeat Trump and his enablers, by building a multi-racial and multi-class coalition and we do that by supporting a true progressive with a bold vision for an economy and a democracy that work for all Americans. That way, enough voters will be inspired to show up to the polls and stop Trump's authoritarian machine for good. This isn't a pipe-dream. We already beat the liar-in-chief by two-point-eight million votes in 2016. And the 2018 elections had the highest turn-out of any mid-term election since 1914, handing House Republicans their most resounding defeat in decades. People are outraged. And we must keep fighting. If we come together we-will-prevail.” …

... (in other words) and, well, if not, then we may not prevail, huh? United—and voting, of course—we prevail. United or not,"not voting," and we're not going to prevail. Or, in other words, if we win, we wn, while, if we don't win, then, you see, we don't win. Am I right? You see, I'm a graduate of Dartmouth and Yale Law School as well as a former professor who has taught at Harvard University so, please, trust me on this.

We really need to unite and win the election because, well, frankly, all our efforts to get Trump's election annulled, reversed, ruled illegitimate—these didn't work. We tried to convince people that he was mentally unfit. We tried to show that he knew a lot of people whose backgrounds we painted, with a certain amount of mixed justice, as shady. But that didn't do it either. We warned people years ago already that, unless we found something to permit us to undermine Trump's administration, he could possibly be re-elected. This point was made most clearly and famously by U.S. Representative Al Green, (D.-Tx. 9th Distr.), “I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected.”

Plan “A” —that was to undo Trump's election. We tried. It didn't work. So we went the impeachment route. But Trump's Republican friends—who have a majority in the Senate, where his impeachment was heard at trial—they voted with Trump, against us. Actually, so did a few Democrats. Just as there was a Democrat or two who voted in the House against the Bill of Impeachment. Go figure! Huh? So, well, our attempts to distort the legal processes didn't work and now we're back at the electoral route and that's because, as you surely know, we really love, trust and believe in elections, in voting and in voters. It's just that, just in case, we thought we should do our best to make Trump a “No-term president” by using whatever laws we could scrape up to get him out of office before he could do a lot of us a lot of political harm.

Remember, now, it's our democracy itself at stake. Never mind that we weren't all that big on respecting the election result when we thought we had a good chance to shove this guy out of office. And, again, I don't mean to scare you. But, frankly, my friends and I have already peed ourselves over the prospect that, after losing one election to this maniac, this dangerous fool in the White House, we might actually see our party lose to him again. We need Sanders, Bernie Sanders. He's progressive and stopping Trump depends on him.

True, a good dozen other Democrat party candidates have spent the past year campaigning to stop Sanders from ever becoming the nominee. That's because each one of them wanted to be the nominee instead od Sanders, so I guess you could say they refused to unite, and, rather than do that, they easily convinced themselves of the chances of their own prospects for beating Trump; if that made them deluded, well, that's as may be, but, all through that period, other interests, such as coming together, uniting behind a single candidate, this came a distant second place in importance to them. But, well, as they say, "that's politics." Now, we're down to just Joe Biden—who's got loads of scandalous baggage dogging him and Bernie Sanders, Biden's age-peer and then there's a couple of other candidates we don't mention (Tulsi Gabbard, no old-age dementia, no particularly scandalous history in politics, but, and here's the main problem: the powerful and wealthy don't have her securely in their pockets, and, with that factor in their minds, they just don't like her from the start; so their media-elite have been magnificient in uniting to essentially ignore her and pretend that she isn't even there.)

That's why I and a lot of very wealthy people who've had long and illustrious careers in doing a lot of important and well-paid stuff in public life, we need your help now to unite with us. Go get out the vote in November. Because, if you don't, we won't win. And that's no fun for us. Really.

Mar 10, 5:08pm Top

Friendly reminder that Jill Stein is helping Trump again. If you weren’t sure before the retweet from Trump should be clear for you.
Image ( https://twitter.com/davidmweissman/status/1237335039739920384/photo/1 )
Adam Parkhomenko and 8 others

- David Weissman @davidmweissman | 7:10 AM · Mar 10, 2020

Edited: Mar 10, 5:17pm Top

>9 margd: So, I'm confused. Does the emperor have clothes on or not?

Mar 10, 5:28pm Top

Gawd, I hope so!

Edited: Mar 11, 1:45am Top

It’s funny how #BernieSurge is trending when it’s the middle of the night in America, but the middle of the day in Russia.
For the record, Bernie isn’t surging (or even climbing) in a single poll in a single state. This hashtag is Kremlin disinformation, repeated by idiots.

- Palmer Report @PalmerReport | 6:05 AM · Mar 10, 2020



Edited: Mar 11, 3:58am Top

>11 margd: Would that hoping made it so.
Stop Calling It A ‘Stutter:’ Dozens of Examples Show Biden’s Dementia Symptoms
Caitlin Johnstone lines up video clips to show how narrative managers are applying the wrong word to the former vice president’s problem.
What's quite inarguable is that the guy used to be sharp, and that that's no longer the case. Biden's is a placeholder candidacy.

‘Bernie Bros’ Were Invented as Sexist, Racist and Anti-Semitic
The Establishment uses identity politics to divide those who might otherwise find a united voice and a common cause, writes Jonathan Cook.

Edited: Mar 11, 8:19am Top

>13 davidgn: I think the smartest, best-prepared 2020 candidate was Elizabeth Warren--gasp--a woman.
2016's Hillary Clinton, too.

But Bros, bankers, Russians, mysogynists, evangelicals, etc. prefer old, white men--Trump or Biden/Sanders.

I couldn't bring myself to vote yesterday, but I will vote-blue-no-matter-who in November.
Sadly, a little resentfully, but hopefully.
What else can one do?

Mar 11, 7:57am Top

Sanders is faced with the issue of staying in and bloodying up Biden in the upcoming debate----because that's what happens when you're down to two left----and potentially be blamed for Biden's defeat if Biden comes off looking weak which invariably is going to happen or Bernie can drop out right now. I don't think Bernie can win at this point. The path is closed off. Biden is going to be a weak nominee and does Bernie want to be the one who exposes that to the public at the upcoming scheduled debate when Trump is going to do all that anyway.

If that happens the next question is should Bernie do 40 nights straight or more of campaigning for Biden like he did for Clinton only to get blamed and shit on later for a Biden defeat (if it happens) in November because a decent % of his voters don't turn out (which will happen and actually almost always happens)? The answer to that is he probably will and that % won't come out anyway but he'll get blamed nonetheless. This simple minded narrative that these voters 'belong' to him and for some Svengali like reason he's holding a portion of them back is something that the mainstream media would rather push than that Joe Biden is an awful choice by the Democratic Party.

People should also keep in mind that primaires and caucuses are different from general elections. The South which was Biden's strongest region in the primaries has long been the domain of the Republicans in a general election.

Edited: Mar 11, 8:25am Top

>15 lriley: If it is Biden, Sanders will have a whole lot more fun in a Dem Senate with a Prez who owes him, so would be worth his while to help make it happen.

Sanders has already influenced Dem policy, I think. Not a small accomplishment.
He can still make some of it happen if a Blue Wave in November.

Mar 11, 9:39am Top

#16--the public is fickle. The idea of winning is the main idea in a lot of minds. What happens afterwards--that's something else. The Sanders effect really now doesn't come down to much more than trying to politicize younger people into different directions. Good effort on his part but he is fucking done as a force and it's going to be up to people like AOC, Tlaib, Jayapal, Khanna and Omar to pick up his torch. Mostly women and all people of color by the way and that's representative of the working class and they are what democracy look like. For older voters fearful of Sanders if the root predictions that lay behind his candidacy (such as climate change, wealth disparity, issues related to the unaffordability of health care) worsen like I think they are inevitably trending and the Democratic leadership proves too weak and not capable of handling these problems then that's not a good look for those older democratic and democratic leaning voters. I think the time for people to ask themselves how Biden will handle catastrophic climate events is now past. We're going to have to live with the result of how either Biden or Trump is going to deal with that the next 4 years. I know Sanders considered it the greatest existential threat to mankind. He's said so many times. Biden--I really don't know how seriously he takes that issue. He's already signaled he would veto an M4A bill. He's not going to tax the rich so we can forget about any easing of the wealth disparity issue. Another TPP kind of trade bill on the horizon? It's a possibility--he's a corporate friendly guy with Republican friends and they like shit like that and Barack was pushing that in his last years. Biden's not left and he's not a progressive---no matter how many times he or the people around him or in the media parrot it. He's a center right conservative democrat.

I'm sure Sanders will help him out if asked. Not really sure that Biden will feel he needs him that much. Barack is not tied up in his presidency for one thing. The dynamic is entirely different from 2016--there are plenty of ex-presidential candidates running around and if the media is correct Biden's made or making deals with a lot of them.

Mar 11, 11:46am Top

Biden is nothing. Just "not-Trump".

It wasn't enough to make people vote for Clinton in 2016.

Mar 11, 12:14pm Top

For me and this is my opinion to take for whatever it's worth. The two major parties are incapable of self reflection and self critique. Biden's campaign isn't to take us into the future--it's to reinvent the past--a so-called glorious past whether it's Bill or Barack which wasn't exactly as glorious as they would have you believe. Biden's campaign pretty much ran on the idea he can beat Trump and really there was no real new policy for his campaign---the only times policies come up in respect to him was defending some crap he played a part in back in his Senate days and the great majority of that is pretty bad.

But for older people who have some means and want to relive the past it's great--for younger people who see a bleak future ahead of climate crisis and massive student debt and unaffordable health care it's shit. Here's the thing if a political party can stake claim to the younger vote eventually it claims future power. The democratic party had a chance to grab that in this election cycle and they've left it on the table for (maybe or maybe not) next time. That's a mistake in my eyes. A big mistake. Their big tent idea includes billionaires like Jamie Dimon and Michael Bloomberg and never Trumper republicans--they're less concerned about college kids and high school dropouts. To me not being able to self reflect and look honestly at things is a sign of arrogance AFAIC. The Democratic Party only sees the here and now--it's not looking very far down the road.

Mar 11, 12:39pm Top

>18 LolaWalser: Great segment, especially right now.

Mar 11, 12:39pm Top

>18 LolaWalser: Great segment, especially right now.

Mar 11, 12:41pm Top

There are still a lot of states left and my hope is that Sanders will show the country in the next one on one debate how weak a candidate Biden is. Then in a contested convention the delegates give it to Warren to save the party from a fatal split.

Mar 11, 1:46pm Top

>23 jjwilson61: I'd actually back that. But I think that's a pipe dream.

Edited: Mar 12, 8:16am Top

>23 jjwilson61: >24 davidgn:

Doesn't even work as a pipe-dream.

Warren is pseudo-serious. She plays at trying to seem to act seriously. As one with a responsibility to understand, use, defend and protect the Constitution's terms and principles, Warren has demonstrated she is not up to the challenge. In this regard, she's a moron.

This article appeared more than a year ago and people have had that long to consider what it says and means about Warren. They thought it over and voted accordingly. She is not trusted and she does not deserve to be trusted. Her judgment is abysmal. She does enough damage to the country just being in the U.S. senate, FFS!

Warren calls for House to begin impeachment proceedings |
By Max Greenwood and Jesse Byrnes - 04/19/19 04:13 PM EDT


"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Friday called for the House to begin impeachment proceedings against President Trump, wading into a topic that other 2020 White House hopefuls have so far been wary of discussing.

"Warren issued the call one day after the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report on his investigation into the 2016 election and the Trump campaign.

'The severity of this misconduct demands that elected officials in both parties set aside political considerations and do their constitutional duty. That means the House should initiate impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States.'
— Elizabeth Warren (ewarren) April 19, 2019

"Warren in particular cited a portion of Mueller's report in which he wrote that Congress has the authority to conduct obstruction of justice investigations, saying that such probes can provide a check if a president is corrupt.

"Mueller put the next step in the hands of Congress: 'Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.' The correct process for exercising that authority is impeachment,' she said in an email announcing her position.

"Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel scoffed at Warren's comments, saying Trump 'was just exonerated after two years of Democrat lies.'

" 'Democrats' calls for impeachment have been bogus all along, but Elizabeth Warren is proving how truly desperate they are to appeal to their radical base,' McDaniel said."


Related : "GOP strategist says Warren's call for impeachment proceedings helps Trump"

Republican strategist Jack Kingston said Monday that Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) call for the House to begin impeachment proceedings against President Trump is politically beneficial for Trump.

"It's great for us politically," Kingston, a former senior adviser to the Trump campaign, told hosts Krystal Ball and Buck Sexton on "Rising."

“Politically, it will help the president more than anything,” he continued. “People got what they need from the Mueller report. No collusion. No obstruction.”

“Now we can argue about it inside the Beltway on the fine print, but the truth is, most people checked it off their box."

“Now the Democrats are kind of like a 4-year-old in the schoolyard saying ‘blah, blah, blah. I don’t want to hear it. I’m going to go after impeachment,’ ” Kingston added.

Warren, one of multiple Democratic senators running for the White House in 2020, on Friday called for the beginning of impeachment proceedings, citing a portion of special counsel Robert Mueller's report into Russia's election meddling in which he said that Congress has the authority to conduct obstruction of justice investigations.

Mar 12, 8:42am Top

Sanders Offers Biden A Path To Win Over His Movement
Arnie Seipel | March 12, 2020

..."Today, I say to the Democratic establishment, in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country," Sanders said. "And you must speak to the issues of concern to them."

Sanders promised to show up at the debate on Sunday in Arizona to face Biden one-on-one, and basically offered him a cheat sheet: "Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe."

Sanders listed off issues central to his campaign, which he says are very important to younger progressives: health care costs, climate change, income inequality, student debt, racial disparities in criminal justice, immigration and housing affordability.

So why tip Biden off to how you're going to challenge him on Sunday? Maybe Bernie Sanders wants Joe Biden to succeed.

...Sanders seemed to indicate that as he sees the presidential nomination slipping away, he wants the party to thrive by addressing the issues he cares about the most.

Sanders is not conceding. He'll be at the next debate and in the next contests. His allies say a good debate and a Biden gaffe could turn the tide, and Biden doesn't yet have even half the delegates he needs to secure the Democratic nomination.

But given the big losses this week, the question for Sanders had been: What is he going to do? Now he may have put the ball back in Biden's court: If he's running away with the nomination, what is the front-runner going to do if he wants to bring Sanders along and unify the party more quickly?...


Edited: Mar 12, 11:54am Top

#26--I think it would be easy to beat Biden up in a debate and we're seeing him constantly these days trying to play tough guy with some random voter or other which happening again and again is just fucking bizarre. Biden needs to run on something though other than 'I'm the best guy to beat Trump' or 'I'm going to beat Trump like a drum'. Some actual policy proposals would be nice--whether or not the likes of Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Harris or Booker endorse him but could give a shit about what he's running on otherwise.

Really it's like everything needs to be done for this character and he's oblivious to it all. Sanders has always operated with the idea of what he thinks is best for the country. He's not some narcissistic glory hound. I have no doubt if need be he'd help hapless Joe to be as best a possible candidate that he could possibly be but there's a shitload of work to be done to get Joe there.

Why do we keep on electing all these elites that have always had everything handed to them though.

Here is an example of a regular person. We should elect more like her:


Mar 12, 11:57am Top

#26--I think it would be easy to beat Biden up in a debate and we're seeing him constantly these days trying to play tough guy with some random voter or other which happening again and again is just fucking bizarre. Biden needs to run on something though other than 'I'm the best guy to beat Trump' or 'I'm going to beat Trump like a drum'. Some actual policy proposals would be nice--whether or not the likes of Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Harris or Booker endorse him but could give a shit about what he's running on otherwise.

Really it's like everything needs to be done for this character and he's oblivious to it all. Sanders has always operated with the idea of what he thinks is best for the country. He's not some narcissistic glory hound. I have no doubt if need be he'd help hapless Joe to be as best a possible candidate that he could possibly be but there's a shitload of work to be done to get Joe there.

Why do we keep on electing all these elites that have always had everything handed to them though.

Here is an example of a regular person. We should elect more like her:


Well the link is not working. On youtube it's titled 'Let's talk about AOC the bartender'. By the way as the creator of the video points out she's a whole lot more than just a bartender.

Mar 14, 6:31am Top

Speaking of women candidates, I was thinking about Sen Pat Schroeder--and stumbled across this Bernie Sanders moment, I think from a Defense-of-Marriage debate:

" Duke Cunningham told then-Rep. Bernie Sanders to "sit down, you socialist," after he objected to Cunningham's homophobic comment, Schroeder asked "Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman — do we have to call the Gentleman a gentleman if he's not one?"" (Wikipedia)

Mar 14, 7:21am Top

There should be seats reserved next to Trump in orange hell for whiny babies who don't vote-blue-no-matter-who this November:
Sanders, Biden, whomever. IMHO.

A 'Never Biden' movement vows not to vote for Joe

Mar 14, 8:27am Top

"Why do we keep on electing all these elites that have always had everything handed to them though."

Yeah. Good question--merits thinking about. If you ever get a fucking clue as to the answer, do get back to us. Meanwhile, for some of us, the answer is bloody obvious. Who put those hand-cuffs on you? Oh!? You put them on yourself!? And never minded about the key--just in case, one day, you wanted to take them off.

Oh, well, then...

Mar 14, 8:29am Top

#30--Biden's campaign would probably help itself by putting out a for real olive branch to the Sanders campaign. IMO this Covid 19 thing is good reason why people in the United States should have M4A. If Biden's campaign switched gears on that it would ratchet up enthusiasm for his candidacy. Just saying. Way back when in the 1930's FDR borrowed a few ideas from Eugene Debs that helped ease us out of the depression but also took quite a bit of wind out of the sails of the socialist movement at the time (not that was a good thing IMO but overall it was an astute political maneuver on FDR's part).

Anyway from the Guardian on the same issue:


Mar 14, 11:18am Top

>32 lriley: Well, don't underestimate likelihood that Biden will put in a bad debate performance Sunday. It may yet be Sanders...
Also, Covid-19 may be making some of Sanders' priorities more likely, especially if followed by blue wave in fall:

Coronavirus updates: House passes aid package after Trump declares national emergency
March 14, 2020

...the House overwhelmingly approved legislation to give direct relief to Americans impacted by the spreading virus. Central to the aid package are free testing and sick pay guarantee for Americans affected.

People who are sick with the virus and have to be treated or quarantined would qualify for the sick pay benefit, which requires employers to offer 14 days of sick leave at "not less" than two-thirds of an employee's normal pay. Others who would qualify for paid sick leave are those who need to be home to care for a child whose school or childcare center has closed, and those who need to leave their jobs to take care of a family member infected with the virus.

The legislation offers three months of paid family and medical leave. And small and mid-sized employers would be reimbursed through tax credits.

Voting in the Senate is not yet set, but senators were scheduled to return Monday. Senate Leader Mitch McConnell said he expects most senators will want to "act swiftly."...


Mar 14, 11:55am Top

#33--the Sanders voters do want certain things--they revolve around environmental issues, student debt, wages/wealth gap, health care for instance. If Biden's campaign is saying to them 'you've lost. We're not giving you anything. You have no choice but to vote for us anyway'--that's not really a unifying message. That's more like asking for unconditional surrender. The best path forward IMO for the Biden campaign is to compromise in some substantial way on at least something very important. If the Biden campaign won't I think they will lose a lot of voters. Keep in mind that younger people particularly are idealistic--they haven't gone all cynical like a lot of middle aged and older people are. Being idealistic rather than cynical IMO is a good thing.

Mar 14, 11:59am Top

Sanders and Biden need each other. Here’s how they can make peace.
E.J. Dionne Jr. | March 13, 2020

...Sanders has to acknowledge, quickly, that there is no way he is going to win the Democratic nomination he has spent five years fighting for. Biden has to reach out to a candidate who has regularly attacked him as a tool of the establishment and to a constituency of young voters who think he’s over the hill.

If they can’t do all these things, they will strengthen Trump in November. The difficult truth is staring them in the face: They need each other to win.

...It takes a coalition to save a country, and coalitions are hard. They succeed when their members focus on what they share rather than what pulls them apart. Starting with Sunday’s debate, Biden and Sanders have to begin a process of reconciliation that will send a message to their respective supporters, and the rest of the nation, that change begins with getting Trump out of office — but it won’t end there.

Two men in their late 70s should be especially mindful of how history will judge them. If they get this wrong, nothing else they have done will matter.


Mar 16, 9:27am Top

State Takes on a Purple Hue; Partisans Divided Over Coronavirus
Monmouth University Polling Institute | 3/16/2020

West Long Branch, NJ – Arizona’s Electoral College votes could be in play in November, according to a Monmouth (“Mon-muth”) University Poll of registered voters in the state. Joe Biden has a slight lead over President Donald Trump, while Bernie Sanders is basically tied with the incumbent. In tomorrow’s Democratic primary election, Biden has a 20 point lead over Sanders. The poll also finds that the Arizona U.S. Senate race could start off with a Democratic edge as well, with Mark Kelly having a 6 point lead against Martha McSally. In other poll results, a majority of Arizona voters are concerned about coronavirus hitting their family, but the level of concern varies widely by party affiliation...


Edited: Mar 16, 11:27am Top

#36--the entire Southwest is turning away from the Republican party--I think Texas may be in play too. The demonizing of hispanics by this administration and at least a good portion of its congressional and Senate allies might help win you an election if you can suppress the demonized community enough but as a long term strategy it's a colossal loser even makes potentially losing an entire voting bloc very possible. Tactically on a very short term it can work but it's a stupid strategy. Chickens will be coming home to roost.

Edited: Mar 17, 6:40am Top

Pandemic Planning Should Ensure All Votes Can Be Cast by Mail in November, Experts Say
Robert Mackey | March 16 2020

As Ohio’s governor ordered that his state’s primary be delayed until June, citing the need for social distancing in response to the coronavirus pandemic, Senate Democrats and election experts pressed Congress to act immediately on legislation to ensure that voters in all 50 states will be able to cast ballots by mail or vote early in the general election if the public health emergency lasts into November.

That is particularly urgent because, as Marc Elias, a lawyer who represents the Democratic Party on voting rights issues, explains, while states can set their own primary days, “the federal general election is set by federal statute as the the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. This date cannot be changed by a state nor by the President.”

Democratic senators Ron Wyden, of Oregon, and Amy Klobuchar, of Minnesota, introduced legislation on Monday that would require all states to offer an option for voters to mail in or drop off hand-marked paper ballots if 25 percent of the states have declared a state of emergency related to an infectious disease, like Covid-19, or a natural disaster...


(And then there's the census... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/23/will-this-years-census-be-the-last )

Edited: Mar 17, 8:54am Top

An analysis of the division within the democratic party:


We really need to start growing a Democratic Socialist wing of the Democratic Party or take it somewhere else.

Mar 17, 8:53am Top

#38--yes got to get cracking. Problem for Senate Democrats though is Mitch McConnell and many Senate Republicans might like things just the way they are. That said older voters are more prone to voting Republican and older voters are much more susceptible to dying from Covid-19 and more fearful of getting it than younger voters--so I'm not convinced this is going to be the greatest turnout for Republicans in November. We're getting closer and closer but it's really impossible to tell how all sorts of variables are going to impact this at least at this point in time.

Mar 18, 9:43am Top

Could the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election Be Postponed?
David Mikkelson | 17 March 2020

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night — nor a pandemic — has much chance of delaying a presidential election.

The 2020 U.S. presidential election could be postponed if the coronavirus pandemic threatens to keep people from voting.


About this rating
This rating indicates that a claim has significant elements of both truth and falsity to it such that it could not fairly be described by any other rating.

What's True
The date of a U.S. presidential election could theoretically be postponed with the approval of Congress and the president.

What's False
However, such a postponement would be extremely difficult to achieve in time for the 2020 presidential election and would not provide much temporal leeway for voters.



Mar 18, 9:57am Top

>41 margd: things could be even more interesting than that. Depending on how long the election was delayed, bothe Trump and Pelosi could be out of office


Mar 18, 10:06am Top

>42 rastaphrog: Whoa! My head hurts just thinking about it...
Would Governors name Senate and House replacements?
What R/D Guv ratio would there be in January 2021??

States HAVE to arrange for mail-in ballots!

Mar 18, 11:06am Top

Not happy that Biden is running away with the democratic nomination. IMO he could be on the verge of dementia and on his best days he is more of the same old same old and pretty much every lousy foreign or domestic policy of the last 30 years or so has his name in support attached to it. I'm also not altogether happy with Elizabeth Warren but.....if Joe isn't up to a job of handling this country during a major health pandemic and economic freefall I think that Warren as his VP is a person that could step in and steady things a lot so I'm kind of thinking she would be an excellent choice as VP for this moment.

On a brighter note Justice Democrat Marie Newman (a Sanders supporter) successfully primaried conservative Democrat Dan Lipinski and is almost a lock to take his Illinois congressional seat and join other Justice Democrats like AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Khanna and Jayapal. We need more people like her.

Mar 18, 12:05pm Top

I'd like to see Warren as Biden's VP.
Thing is that person has to run in 2024, and Elizabeth will be 74 then.
A female 74 isn't the same as a male 74, but still...

Edited: Mar 19, 7:23am Top

>44 lriley:

Don't want a pathetic, doddering dementia-stricken Biden in office? Simple solution: vote for Trump.

A nation of Democrat-party fools who were incapable of appreciating Trump's positives richly deserves four years under Biden's confused serial gaffes.

The wind was sown....

Mar 19, 8:15am Top

Virus in the World (0:30)
The Lincoln Project • Mar 18, 2020

Echoing one of the most iconic political ads of all time, the Lincoln Project today released a new spot that poses the same kind of compelling question that the 1984 Reagan, "Bear in the Woods" ad ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA ) asked Americans; in the face of a profound threat to America, what kind of leadership do we expect and deserve?

Just as "Bear" called into question those who treated the then-potent Soviet Union's military threat seriously, so too did Donald Trump and his allies behave as if the growing threat of Corona/COVID-19 wasn't serious for over six weeks. "Virus" is a successor to "Bear" and asks the same kind of tough questions."


Edited: Mar 19, 11:17am Top

Hey, Prox ~

Gabbard gone ~ endorses Biden!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar 24, 12:39pm Top

Pelosi says she wants a national vote by mail provision for November for COVID19 contingency only.
Brennan Center estimates that will cost $982 million–$1.4 billion.


- Katy Tur @KatyTurNBC | 9:58 AM · Mar 24, 2020

Mar 24, 12:57pm Top

#49--if it works well maybe we should make that permanent. At the least it would standardize everything.

Edited: Mar 26, 8:33am Top

The Trump campaign seriously just issued a cease and desist for this ad so I'm doing my part and sharing it as widely as humanly possible.

0:30 From Priorities USA
( https://twitter.com/fred_guttenberg/status/1242976621247766540 )
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0 )

- Fred Guttenberg @fred_guttenberg | 8:48 PM · Mar 25, 2020

Another Priorities USA ad, this one for Biden:


Where are the tests???

0:22 ( https://twitter.com/PACRONYM/status/1242126692778487809 )

- PACRONYM @PACRONYM | 12:30 PM · Mar 23, 2020


American Bridge USA:

1:03 Failed to Act

0:30 Failed to Act


Unite the Country:

0:30 This One Failed

Mar 26, 4:47pm Top

The Villages could look like a ghost town!

Spread of COVID-19 into 'Trump country' could pose problem for president's re-election hopes: David Frum
CBC Radio · Posted: Mar 26, 2020

Pandemic won’t stop U.S. elections in November, predicts political commentator

...He said states like Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana had "made it kind of an article of support for your president not to do the social distancing," but those states could become "the next wave of cases."

"They're less densely populated. They're less urban. So I think they're less connected to the rest of the world," he said.

"But viruses don't care. They just move slower."

Frum warned that when cases of the virus begin to spike in Republican states, their models of small government could hinder the response....


Edited: Mar 27, 9:49am Top

DJT Jr post equating SARS-CoV with Biden

“Kung Flu Kid”
Paid for Donald J Trump for President

Mar 27, 1:01pm Top

>51 margd: - that's a good ad. An even better one would have been the time plot of U.S. deaths from COVID-19 with a picture of Trump and his statement "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters." His inaction has aided and abetted U.S. deaths from this virus - the only question remaining is how many of those dead voted for him and won't be around for him next time?

Mar 27, 1:12pm Top

>54 alco261:

Well, he gloated when a Republican opponent of his had to self-isolate, and he mob-talks to Cuomo and other governors as if they needed to do him "favours" before he'd stoop to doing the presidential duty of taking care of Americans, so I expect he's counting the New York losses as a personal win. Not that enough people could die to give him New York...

Edited: Mar 28, 8:52am Top

>54 alco261:

No. There's also the question of how many anti-Trump voters--people who voted for Hillary Clinton--are dead from the virus, and "and won't be around for (her successor candidate) next time?" right?


>55 LolaWalser:

... " Not that enough people could die to give him New York..."

that's "hilarious" coming from someone who spends as much of her time as you do wishing death on others. But, in fact, that's just what >54 alco261: is apparently hoping to come about in

Florida, where only about 120k (voters')-lives gave that state to Trump. alco261 apparently hopes for these people to be killed off by the virus. Well, Biden is probably going to need a "windfall" like that to get himself elected.

He'll also need, and alco261 shall apparently also cheer on the deaths of

~ 210k in Georgia

~ 430k in Indiana

In Pennsyvania, alco261 can be a real humanitarian, for, there, he need only hope for the deaths of some 55k Trump-voters.

I wonder: how would these comments do for an Elect-Joe-Biden campaign-ad?

"Attention, Trump-voters my backers hope you'll be dead from the Corona virus before election-day, November, 2020!"

How many votes would that win for Joe?

Mar 28, 9:05am Top

More abuse of power:

Laurence Tribe tribelaw | 8:49 AM · Mar 28, 2020
Even threats that the First Amendment makes obviously unenforceable can have a dangerous chilling effect in deterring political criticism.
In that sense, Trump’s unlawful threats are far from empty.

Trump Campaign Threatens TV Stations That Air Ad Critical Of President*
Not removing the ad about rising U.S. coronavirus cases “could put your station’s license in jeopardy,” the Trump campaign warned.
David Moye | March 26, 2020

...At first, attorneys for America First Action, Trump’s official super PAC, were the ones who demanded that TV stations in key battleground states stop airing the anti-Trump commercial, claiming it was deceptive.

However, TV stations refused to pull the ad and Priorities USA pointed out that America First Action didn’t even have standing to make the demand, RawStory reported.

So attorneys for the Donald J. Trump for President campaign sent their own cease-and-desist letter (on website, one that suggested that not removing the ad “could put your station’s license in jeopardy” with the Federal Communications Commission...



Mar 28, 10:02am Top

>56 proximity1: I realize English as a second language can be a problem for people like you and it is clear you have very limited reading skills. There's no gloating in >54 alco261:.
Read it again proximity1

"that's a good ad. An even better one would have been the time plot of U.S. deaths from COVID-19 with a picture of Trump and his statement "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters." His inaction has aided and abetted U.S. deaths from this virus - the only question remaining is how many of those dead voted for him and won't be around for him next time?"

I'll try it a different way proximity1. Since his actions (or lack thereof) are killing people and viruses don't care about political affiliations how many of his own did he condemn to death? And the reason it is the only question is because he has made it very clear democratic deaths are no concern of his.

I'm sure you will either have some long rejoinder to this proximity1 or you will stoop to your usual level of tossing around swear words...or maybe both ...go for it.

Mar 28, 4:32pm Top

Cuomo Postpones New York’s Primary Election to June 23 Because of Coronavirus
Stephanie Saul | March 28, 2020

New York will postpone its April 28 presidential primary until June 23, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Saturday, buying time for the state to administer an election as it struggles to respond to the escalating coronavirus outbreak...


Mar 29, 4:43am Top

Joe Biden @JoeBiden | 7:52 PM · Mar 28, 2020:

Donald Trump’s ego will cost lives.
0:58 ( https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1244049631886970881 )

Mar 29, 5:35pm Top

He is a monster like none we’ve seen in American politics.
And if you see that, it doesn’t matter who you are or what you do or what your political leanings are:
the only thing to do now is whatever it takes to defeat him in November.
We can argue about everything else later.
- Jon Favreau @jonfavs | 2:27 PM · Mar 29, 2020

Mar 30, 5:23am Top

Mar 31, 8:54am Top

hot damn @JoeBiden's team did it again. check out this side-by-side comparison.
1:00 ( https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1244779995337232385 )
- Florida Chris @chrislongview | 8:14 PM · Mar 30, 2020

Apr 1, 7:23am Top

Imagine how we'd feel right now if someone with their sh*t on lockdown like Elizabeth Warren were president,
managing this historic crisis like an unbelievable badass
with useful skills like intelligence, wisdom, class, grace, experience, empathy, eloquence, compassion, integrity

- Seth Abramson @SethAbramson | 12:58 AM · Apr 1, 2020

Yesterday, 6:46am Top

You know those D governors that Trump wants to show appreciation for COVID help.
Two of them are featured in this election ad...

HOPE (1:00)
Donald J Trump • Mar 27, 2020

In times of struggle, we see the true greatness of the American character.
Americans from all walks of life are rallying together to defeat this unseen enemy!


Edited: Yesterday, 1:04pm Top

CAP Action @CAPAction | 12:23 PM · Apr 3, 2020:

6,200+ deaths.
244,000+ confirmed coronavirus cases.
10,448,000+ unemployment claims in March.

This is the tragic cost of Trump's chaotic, incompetent coronavirus response.
0:30 (https://twitter.com/CAPAction/status/1246111164410576898 )

Yesterday, 1:04pm Top

Republicans for the Rule of Law @ForTheRuleOfLaw | 8:00 AM · Apr 3, 2020:

New ad will run on Fox Tues.
These Republican voters share their disappointment in Trump’s leadership.
If you agree, sign up here and contribute to the next video.

0:30 ( https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1246044780158767104 )

Yesterday, 5:25pm Top

I feel sick to my stomach. Over ten million aid seekers in the US so far. This is getting to be--you are in serious trouble, worse than ever, worse than in 2016, worse than in 2019, much much worse than when the Democrats first decided to torpedo Bernie Sanders no matter what. Did they calculate with THIS "what"?

No, they can't have. They can't have planned that Biden misery to take on a total crash of the system.

There has to be a change--will there be a change?

I realise many have thought that picking Biden was a disaster already. But this is beyond mere thinking now. You can't afford not just losing to the orange ape, you ALSO can't afford a Biden presidency, you can't afford to stick with that shitty neoliberal agenda. Ten million now will be fifty million by the end of the summer. Those propping Biden's sorry ass have no more chance of saving people than the Trumpist scum will bother to do.

Yesterday, 7:58pm Top

#68--I think I saw something the other day that had 80% of Trump's base being very enthusiastic about voting for him again. In contrast Biden's numbers were 28% very enthusiastic and 55% somewhat enthusiastic. I think part of the future narrative if Trump wins reelection is that Sanders stayed in too long again and ruined Biden's chances or didn't fight hard enough for him or too many of his voters didn't vote for Biden.

I have to say something here though---my main thing has always been to vote on policy not on personality. I'd be a Sanders voter for such reasons as he gave me and he gives me quite a number of them. The only reason I would have for voting for Biden is he's not Trump because on policy issues Biden is garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage on everything and I'm not even sure there's even a minor exception in policy that's he's not garbage.

Then we add the personal issues---his son's unethical position with an Ukrainian energy company which I expect Trump will clobber him with to great effect. We also have now a sexual assault accusation which Trump will clobber him with to great effect and notwithstanding his own sexual assault and harassment issues I bet you he gets to stick it on Biden better than the other way around. Then we have Biden's cognitive decline issues--people should go look up his NYTimes endorsement interview---the NYTimes I don't think really wanted to endorse Warren or Klobuchar at all--they wanted to fall behind the presumptive front runner not Warren (who's too far to the left for them) or a long shot Klobuchar. They are an establishment get behind the front runner paper. The reason they ditched Biden is because his cognitive decline is all over their fucking interview. He couldn't answer a question without running off on all kinds of tangents along with the garbling and muttering and plenty of nonsensical add-ins. Biden can't give a speech longer than 10 minutes without completely blowing up in some way or other and his campaign would be smart to make sure there are no debates because he'll get clobbered. Trump isn't going to pull punches like pretty much the entire Democratic field has done including Sanders.

So how could Biden ratchet up some more enthusiasm? Medicare for all would be one way. Sometimes you have to give to get. So far what a Biden administration would give is pretty much shit, shit, shit. He's not going to do that though.

Biden's pathway to victory really is about economy tanking more and more people dying from the pandemic. Even that isn't guaranteed by a long shot. Right now even after destroying our economy and having a part in almost 7000 people dying from coronavirus Donald Trump can still win. That's pretty fucked up.

Today, 5:40am Top

By the way when Joe Biden attacks Medicare for all these days he brings up the coronavirus pandemic in Italy as reason why such a system doesn't or wouldn't work for us--like it's the only government sponsored health care system in world. It's a lazy and stupid comparable. He doesn't bring up Iceland and he doesn't bring up our neighbor to the North--Canada which has something like 10,000 cases and less than 200 deaths nor does he bring up our neighbor to the South--Mexico which so far has had 4000+ cases. His campaign has lighted upon the worse case scenario 1000's of miles away in Southern Europe and not even bothered to look at our direct neighbors and in doing so he undermines his own case about the part that the Trump administration's inaction has played in our unfolding tragedy. Fact of the matter is Biden is a buffoon and doesn't care whether what he says to the public has a basis in truth or not and he's going to be an incompetent POTUS if he gets elected. He's a fuckhead.

Today, 9:48am Top

>70 lriley:

Yes, that is such bollocks about Italy. First, they had the misfortune that the pandemic took hold in and spread through the hospitals, increasing the number of the infected like a match to the gasoline, while simultaneously hitting hard precisely the staff supposed to fight it. Second, whatever structural problems with the health system there are--and yes there are--can be traced to the cutbacks made in support since the neoliberal rampaging started in the nineties--and the same is true for France, where the capitalist attack on public institutions has been the worst in Europe (not counting Brexitannia, now on its own sweet way to wherever, but where the NHS has experienced a similar or even worse hollowing-out in the last couple decades).

Third, Italian demographics, being the oldest country in Europe and maybe the world, contributed crucially to the high death toll.

None of this has anything to do with health care being socialised. Socialised health care simply means that people don't bear a financial burden when they need it, and that therefore they can afford good preventive care and stay in better health longer in life.

No one is talking about what it means that Italy HAS that many oldsters running about--not just proportionally but in absolute numbers--that the virus could attack.

I have lots of family in Italy, many of whom are in their nineties. My cousin in Milan has a mother of 104, who still used to walk her dogs every morning before they grounded her. Yeah, if they become infected they run a huge risk of becoming one of Italy's pandemic statistic. But no one will notice how they came to live so long so well--and that's thanks to the superb doctors and care they had all their lives.

Anyway, as for Biden, I'm saying it's not even about winning anymore; UNLESS there is some essential redirection to what the US is doing, it will be catastrophic either way. The orange ape will drive you completely into fascism, and this will be one kind of catastrophe, especially for women and people of colour. Biden is already on record promising his donors that "nothing would change", and this too spells catastrophe because things ARE damn changing even if the Democrats' neoliberal agenda will not. Which means that millions are looking at existential disaster to which only bandaids will get applied, a la Obamacare and whatnot, a couple months lower interest rates here, some food stamps there... in short, rubbish.

Forget even about Sanders (it never was "about" Sanders anyway, as his slogan already said--not me, us), you still need that programme, that drift, that trend to systemic, structural, and LASTING change to the system. It doesn't matter who's the figurehead--you need the programme, the plan, action for this goal. It boggles my mind that anyone even at this point talks about this as if it were a mere contest of personalities.

Again, Biden could--his only chance--make himself more attractive if he chose well his VP, but then again, he can't actually promise to die or remove himself in their favour, so it's back to square one: he is a terrible, disastrous choice.

The Democrats fucked up in pushing Biden--clearly they didn't count on a global pandemic crashing everything--but it's still a fuck-up.

So what's the solution?--if they REALLY cared for the people and the country, as Republicans do not?

Withdraw Biden and offer a progressive choice. Be it Sanders, Sanders and Warren, Warren and some young decent person, or for freaking sake just ANYONE honest and energetic who would endorse and push this structural, LASTING change--Medicare for all, UBI, at least temporary or partial student debt forgiveness, mortgage deferrals for the low income, etc.

Withdraw Biden. Please for the love of everything that's good and fine in human life.

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