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4jazminekittie
>3 Exo_: wait.. there's an entire CULT for an emoji??
10Owltherian
Oh nurrr *huggo*
11Arson_lover
im hungery but i dont wanna eat
13Owltherian
Oh and i am um- rlly sorry about yelling yesterday/last night idk-
16Owltherian
>15 Moicah: I have a bunch of religious trauma and i still feel really bad for it.
18Owltherian
>17 Moicah: Yeah....its from my mamaw and pappy (they are my stepmum's parents)
19Arson_lover
*bleps in confusion*
21Owltherian
>19 Arson_lover: Ima repeat what i said yesterday after i yelled a bunch
23Owltherian
>20 Moicah: my mamaw and pappy called their trans neighbor slurs, and i'm scared everytime i go over there due to them having the possibility of finding out im nonbinary and having them scream at me. My mamaw even told me while i was still bisexual if it was a joke since i was wearing a bisexual slap bracelet and she said my stepmum shouldn't have told us about the LGBTQ+
24Owltherian
my stepmum even has to use the wrong pronouns to not make them suspicious
26NEZUKO_CHAN16
Wow that must suck... like really, really badly...
27Owltherian
Yep and im usually have to go every other weekend although my stepmum gives me a chance to go back home with her
28NEZUKO_CHAN16
Why not take that chance?
29Owltherian
I always do, they always say "We'll plan next weekend to take you somewhere" but THEY NEVER DO
31Owltherian
Toxic church example in a vid: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2BIFnDrG_X0
32NEZUKO_CHAN16
If I can be honest, I believe in God but I'm not a christian. I'm part of LGBT+ and support every bit of the way but, that doesn't mean I hate God.
35NEZUKO_CHAN16
>31 Owltherian: Same here ;-;
36Owltherian
>33 Moicah: Oh crapola- i forgors.
38Arson_lover
*Bleps in im a athist*
39Owltherian
Can you be LGBTQ+ and still be Christian? -- Yes, all human temperaments are able to become a believer and be redeemed by faith in Christ.
40Owltherian
>38 Arson_lover: *bleps in also an atheist*
41Arson_lover
*Bleps in hungy but comfortible so dosent want to eat*
42Owltherian
The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) includes transgender people in all of its work toward creating welcoming and affirming congregations.
43NEZUKO_CHAN16
Well, I was a christian once( I wouldn't say I'm a christian anymore), and I was happy to be one then I relized that I was Bi and that Christianity was all about no homosexuals(I was at a pride parade and saw protests about it) but that didn't take my belief in God. Also there are churches that support LGBTQ+
45Arson_lover
umm guys if im a tomboy but im fine with male pronouns dose that make me a trans?
47Owltherian
>44 Moicah: The Bible says nothing about 'homosexuality' as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times.
48NEZUKO_CHAN16
>44 Moicah: Um, not exaxcly, I use She/They pronouns and I don't consider myself trans
49Owltherian
So you can be a Christian and whatever you believe and still be in the LGBTQ+ community
50NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yep, that's what I think anyways, IDK how all ya'll feel about that...
52Arson_lover
i think im going crazy im smeling fries but we dont have fries
53NEZUKO_CHAN16
>52 Arson_lover: Oh dear
55Owltherian
>51 Moicah: Over 30,000 changes were made, of which more than 5,000 represent differences between the Greek text used for the Revised Version and that used as the basis of the King James Version. So many things could have been relatively changed for the better of men than to woman
56Arson_lover
i think its my brain trying to tell me to eat
57NEZUKO_CHAN16
>56 Arson_lover: I think so too
58Arson_lover
but im comfeyyy i dont wannaaa
60Owltherian
For the last two decades, Pew Research Center has reported that one of the most enduring ethical issues across Christian traditions is sexual diversity. For many Christians, one of the most frequently first-asked questions on this topic is, “What does the Bible say about attraction to someone of the same sex?”
Although its unlikely that the biblical authors had any notion of sexual orientation (for example, the term homosexual wasn't even coined until the late 19th century) for many people of faith, the Bible is looked to for timeless guidance on what it means to honor God with our lives; and this most certainly includes our sexuality.
Although its unlikely that the biblical authors had any notion of sexual orientation (for example, the term homosexual wasn't even coined until the late 19th century) for many people of faith, the Bible is looked to for timeless guidance on what it means to honor God with our lives; and this most certainly includes our sexuality.
61Owltherian
While the six passages that address same-sex eroticism in the ancient world are negative about the practices they mention, there is no evidence that these in any way speak to same-sex relationships of love and mutuality. To the contrary, the amount of cultural, historical and linguistic data surrounding how sexuality in the cultures of the biblical authors operated demonstrates that what was being condemned in the Bible is very different than the committed same-sex partnerships we know and see today. The stories of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19) and the Levite’s concubine (Judges 19) are about sexual violence and the Ancient Near East’s stigma toward violating male honor. The injunction that “man must not lie with man” (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13) coheres with the context of a society anxious about their health, continuing family lineages, and retaining the distinctiveness of Israel as a nation. Each time the New Testament addresses the topic in a list of vices (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10), the argument being made is more than likely about the sexual exploitation of young men by older men, a practice called pederasty, and what we read in the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Romans is a part of a broader indictment against idolatry and excessive, self-centered lust that is driven by desire to “consume” rather than to love and to serve as outlined for Christian partnership elsewhere in the Bible. While it is likely that Jews and Christians in the 1st century had little to no awareness of a category like sexual orientation, this doesn’t mean that the biblical authors were wrong. What it does mean, at a minimum, is that continued opposition toward same-sex relationships and LGBTQ+ identities must be based on something other than these biblical texts, which brings us back to a theology of Christian marriage or partnership.
62jazminekittie
>31 Owltherian: OMG I LOVE CLAWED BEAUTY!! she's so comforting and literally my favorite YouTuber :D
sorry u had to go through that btw!! if u want u can have a hug :
sorry u had to go through that btw!! if u want u can have a hug :
63Owltherian
If neither sex differentiation nor gender complementarity are the basis for Christian partnership, then what is?
While the work to undo the decades-long, dominant and exclusionary interpretations of these passages is important, its emphasis over and against the affirming dimensions of Christian theology for LGBTQ+ people has stifled exploration of a deeper meaning of sexuality for everyone. From Genesis 2, to Matthew 19, to Ephesians 5, what these passages make explicit (and is echoed throughout the rest of Scripture) is something mentioned earlier: marriage is sacred for Christians because it can represent the enduring love between Christ and the Church. Christian partnership creates an opportunity to live out God’s love. While some kind of difference seems to be important in embodying this metaphor, understanding that all our differences can lead to empathy, compassion, good listening, sacrifice, and what it means to “love our neighbor as ourselves,” there is scant evidence that it is our biology or our views of gender that are the required difference. Anyone who has ever been in an intimate relationship of any kind can testify to the range of differences (and resulting conflicts) that are an inherent part of any two personalities attempting to integrate their lives. And remember, those who are not married but are not LGBTQ+, like single people or people whose spouses have passed, are embraced as Christians. The larger point here is that God’s design for Christian partnership is about reflecting the truest and sweetest love that anyone could know; that is the self-giving, ever-enduring, liberating love between God and creation made possible for us through Christ. A tall order, but nevertheless something countless LGBTQ+ individuals and couples have been living into and continue to live into today.
While the work to undo the decades-long, dominant and exclusionary interpretations of these passages is important, its emphasis over and against the affirming dimensions of Christian theology for LGBTQ+ people has stifled exploration of a deeper meaning of sexuality for everyone. From Genesis 2, to Matthew 19, to Ephesians 5, what these passages make explicit (and is echoed throughout the rest of Scripture) is something mentioned earlier: marriage is sacred for Christians because it can represent the enduring love between Christ and the Church. Christian partnership creates an opportunity to live out God’s love. While some kind of difference seems to be important in embodying this metaphor, understanding that all our differences can lead to empathy, compassion, good listening, sacrifice, and what it means to “love our neighbor as ourselves,” there is scant evidence that it is our biology or our views of gender that are the required difference. Anyone who has ever been in an intimate relationship of any kind can testify to the range of differences (and resulting conflicts) that are an inherent part of any two personalities attempting to integrate their lives. And remember, those who are not married but are not LGBTQ+, like single people or people whose spouses have passed, are embraced as Christians. The larger point here is that God’s design for Christian partnership is about reflecting the truest and sweetest love that anyone could know; that is the self-giving, ever-enduring, liberating love between God and creation made possible for us through Christ. A tall order, but nevertheless something countless LGBTQ+ individuals and couples have been living into and continue to live into today.
65Owltherian
All things considered, it is important to remember that throughout church history, new information about people and the world have frequently led Christians to reconsider their beliefs. This need not be a reason to distrust Scripture, but rather should serve as an invitation to wrestle with the contexts of the biblical writers and our own lived experiences. As it stands today, there are millions of faithful Christians around the world who have come to recognize the work of God in and through the relationships of LGBTQ+ people (click here to see a list of denominational positions on LGBTQ+ people within Christianity). As New Testament Scholar Daniel Kirk has pointed out, Christians today would do well by the tradition of the apostles and our current witness in the world to recognize that theological abstractions aside, God has already clearly embraced LGBTQ+ people into full communion, and it is now the church’s responsibility to simply honor that reality and rejoice (Luke 15).
66jazminekittie
>45 Arson_lover: okay lemme get this straight
PRONOUNS ≠ GENDER!!! if u like they/them pronouns but you're a boy, it does not make u nonbinary. u just like using those pronouns. If you are nonbinary but prefer she/her, then ur still nonbinary because those are just your pronouns, not ur gender. I hope this made sense/helped :)
PRONOUNS ≠ GENDER!!! if u like they/them pronouns but you're a boy, it does not make u nonbinary. u just like using those pronouns. If you are nonbinary but prefer she/her, then ur still nonbinary because those are just your pronouns, not ur gender. I hope this made sense/helped :)
67jazminekittie
>55 Owltherian: the bible was changed 30,000 times..??
69Owltherian
>67 jazminekittie: Yeah it was
70Arson_lover
>66 jazminekittie: thx chapa chapa (i know the meme :>)
71jazminekittie
>68 jazminekittie: why though?? /genq
wouldn't that mean they're changing god's words?? the only exception should be prophets but if its just regular people changing the bible then that makes no sense..
I'm sorry if this sounds offensive, I'm Muslim and don't really understand Christianity
wouldn't that mean they're changing god's words?? the only exception should be prophets but if its just regular people changing the bible then that makes no sense..
I'm sorry if this sounds offensive, I'm Muslim and don't really understand Christianity
73Owltherian
>71 jazminekittie: I'm not exactly sure but the original bible was Hebrew and Latin i think
74Owltherian
What Does the Bible Say About Transgender People?
For several decades, political and theological debates related to LGBTQ+ issues have centered around same-sex relationships for lesbian, gay and bisexual people. While an exploration of that topic is important, the volume of faith resources dedicated to it have often excluded reflection on the unique considerations related to gender identity. Mistakenly, some Christians have suggested that taking the Bible seriously requires people of faith to stand in opposition to the existence, health and humanity of transgender people. Consequently, gender-expansive people of all demographics and Christian traditions have been made to feel that they must choose between their faith and living a whole, healthy and authentic life. Whether you are a ministry leader, the family member of a transgender person or a trans person of faith yourself, this page seeks to serve as a brief overview of the Bible’s precedent for affirming the full inclusion of transgender, non-binary and other gender-expansive people in the full life of Christian community.
For several decades, political and theological debates related to LGBTQ+ issues have centered around same-sex relationships for lesbian, gay and bisexual people. While an exploration of that topic is important, the volume of faith resources dedicated to it have often excluded reflection on the unique considerations related to gender identity. Mistakenly, some Christians have suggested that taking the Bible seriously requires people of faith to stand in opposition to the existence, health and humanity of transgender people. Consequently, gender-expansive people of all demographics and Christian traditions have been made to feel that they must choose between their faith and living a whole, healthy and authentic life. Whether you are a ministry leader, the family member of a transgender person or a trans person of faith yourself, this page seeks to serve as a brief overview of the Bible’s precedent for affirming the full inclusion of transgender, non-binary and other gender-expansive people in the full life of Christian community.
75Owltherian
The language we use
Sometimes it can feel overwhelming to learn new terms and new concepts, especially if we see those terms change in meaning or use from one context to another. Whether we are talking about transgender issues or about faith, this seems to be true. This resource aims only to offer a starting place for a dialogue on both. For the purposes of our writing, when we use gender identity we are referring to one’s internal sense of being male, female, both or neither. When we use the phrase “sex assigned at birth,” what we mean is the sex that was assigned by a doctor at birth based on some combination of sex chromosomes, genes, gonads and internal and external genitalia, as well as physiological hormones. When we use the word transgender, we are describing a person whose gender identity is different than the sex they were assigned at birth. It is an adjective, a descriptive word, and can encompass any variety of non-binary and gender-expansive identities. For example, consider Josh, a transgender man who grew up with his parents assuming he was a girl. For as long as he could remember, he knew himself to be a boy. But he didn’t know about transgender people until he was older and could finally see himself in their stories and come out. Or consider Sam, a non-binary person who uses they/them pronouns. Sam grew up being told they were a boy but they never knew themselves to be a boy. They came out as non-binary to reflect their authentic experience with their gender identity.
When we use gender expression, we are talking about the way that a person may outwardly reflect their internal sense of gender through presentation, such as through clothing, hair, voice and body language. Sexual orientation, which describes whom a person is physically and/or emotionally attracted to, is a separate category, and doesn’t influence someone’s gender identity or gender expression. It’s important to understand that gender expression and sexual orientation are different from gender identity. In our examples above, Josh could be a transgender man who is gay, bisexual or straight. Sam could be a non-binary person who expresses their gender consistently in a more traditionally masculine or feminine way, or neither or both at the same time. If you’re looking to answer what the Bible has to say about same-sex relationships, you can find that on an additional resource page here.
When we use the term affirming, what we are referring to is the theological view that all expressions of gender are an integral part of God’s design for diversity within the created order. When we use non-affirming, we are referring to the theological view that transgender and other expressions of gender variance are either a) sinful within themselves or b) that they are morally neutral but nevertheless a kind of disorder, mental illness or other brokenness. Whether you already feel confident in your position or are searching for new possibilities, our hope is that researching, studying and wrestling with the Scriptures and questions most relevant to trans experiences are part and parcel of what it means for Christians to “love God with all of one’s heart, soul, and mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:7).
Sometimes it can feel overwhelming to learn new terms and new concepts, especially if we see those terms change in meaning or use from one context to another. Whether we are talking about transgender issues or about faith, this seems to be true. This resource aims only to offer a starting place for a dialogue on both. For the purposes of our writing, when we use gender identity we are referring to one’s internal sense of being male, female, both or neither. When we use the phrase “sex assigned at birth,” what we mean is the sex that was assigned by a doctor at birth based on some combination of sex chromosomes, genes, gonads and internal and external genitalia, as well as physiological hormones. When we use the word transgender, we are describing a person whose gender identity is different than the sex they were assigned at birth. It is an adjective, a descriptive word, and can encompass any variety of non-binary and gender-expansive identities. For example, consider Josh, a transgender man who grew up with his parents assuming he was a girl. For as long as he could remember, he knew himself to be a boy. But he didn’t know about transgender people until he was older and could finally see himself in their stories and come out. Or consider Sam, a non-binary person who uses they/them pronouns. Sam grew up being told they were a boy but they never knew themselves to be a boy. They came out as non-binary to reflect their authentic experience with their gender identity.
When we use gender expression, we are talking about the way that a person may outwardly reflect their internal sense of gender through presentation, such as through clothing, hair, voice and body language. Sexual orientation, which describes whom a person is physically and/or emotionally attracted to, is a separate category, and doesn’t influence someone’s gender identity or gender expression. It’s important to understand that gender expression and sexual orientation are different from gender identity. In our examples above, Josh could be a transgender man who is gay, bisexual or straight. Sam could be a non-binary person who expresses their gender consistently in a more traditionally masculine or feminine way, or neither or both at the same time. If you’re looking to answer what the Bible has to say about same-sex relationships, you can find that on an additional resource page here.
When we use the term affirming, what we are referring to is the theological view that all expressions of gender are an integral part of God’s design for diversity within the created order. When we use non-affirming, we are referring to the theological view that transgender and other expressions of gender variance are either a) sinful within themselves or b) that they are morally neutral but nevertheless a kind of disorder, mental illness or other brokenness. Whether you already feel confident in your position or are searching for new possibilities, our hope is that researching, studying and wrestling with the Scriptures and questions most relevant to trans experiences are part and parcel of what it means for Christians to “love God with all of one’s heart, soul, and mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:7).
76Owltherian
1 A part of the reason this seems to be so successful is the overwhelming number of people who say they do not have a personal close friend who is transgender. In a PRRI survey conducted in 2019, it was found that less than one-quarter (24%) of Americans report having a close friend or family member who is transgender, compared to 46% who report having a bisexual close friend or family member, and nearly seven in ten (68%) who report having a gay or lesbian close friend or family member.
2 The Human Rights Campaign’s Reporting Guide is another helpful tool developed so that reporters and media makers can begin to improve trans coverage. It provides insight for anyone seeking to use appropriate language, understand common shortcomings, and discover steps they can take to address trans communities more respectfully.
2 The Human Rights Campaign’s Reporting Guide is another helpful tool developed so that reporters and media makers can begin to improve trans coverage. It provides insight for anyone seeking to use appropriate language, understand common shortcomings, and discover steps they can take to address trans communities more respectfully.
77jazminekittie
>72 Moicah: isnotreal* (sorry I had to!! free Palestine!!)
78Owltherian
Wrestling with Scripture
Creation and the Gender Binary - Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:18-24
When Christians think about gender, they tend to go back to the beginning. In Genesis, we find two stories about how things came to be, one of which says “So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27, NRSV). If you grew up hearing these stories and living with people who seemed to fit inside these gender boxes, the existence of transgender people might seem to fly in the face of God’s created order. However, when we look just a little closer at each of these passages we find a much more complex and beautiful world. For instance, when God creates men and women in Genesis 1, it’s after creating opposites in every other corner of creation--day and night, land and sea, flying birds and swimming fish. Humans, then, are also created in an opposite pair--male and female. But the problem with a literal reading of this text that even though Genesis 1 sets up these binaries, God’s creation exists in spectrums.
In between day and night we have dawn and dusk; between land and sea we have coral reefs and estuaries and beaches; between flying birds and swimming fish we have penguins and high jumping dolphins, not to mention that uncategorizable favorite the platypus! No one would argue that a penguin is an abomination for not fitting the categories of Genesis 1, or that an estuary isn’t pleasing to God because it’s neither land nor sea. In the same way, God gives every human a self that is unique and may not always fit neatly into a box or binary. Among cisgender people -- that is those whose gender identities align with the sex they were assigned at birth, or non-transgender people -- there is a wide variety in height, strength, hair distribution, size and shape of reproductive organs, and nearly all other physical characteristics, which makes it hard for every single person on earth to fit neatly inside one culture’s categories of man or woman. There is, too, a diversity among transgender and non-binary people when it comes to bodies, personalities, beliefs and experiences. But rather than writing Genesis 1 off as fiction that doesn’t match reality, many affirming Christians recognize that the stories set down in this chapter were never meant to catalogue all of creation (in which case, it would just be an encyclopedia), but rather to point us towards God’s power and love. Not every microbe and constellation must be named in this chapter in order to have a purpose and a blessing.
Genesis 2 gives us a different perspective on the creation story, and here a non-gendered human is created first and then later a piece of the first person, Adam, is made into the second person, Eve. Based on the order of creation in this story, some theologians argue that this passage upholds a structure called gender complementarity. Gender complementarity asserts that God created two fundamentally different genders which have strict corresponding societal roles; in short, men were created to lead and women were created to follow. We don’t have the space here to explore the rich biblical scholarship that has demonstrated the theological and pastoral need for Christian Egalitarianism, but suffice to say these views, even when held with the best intentions, have a consistent history of leading to emotional, spiritual and physical violence against anyone, regardless of their assigned sex or their gender identity or presentation, who does not completely and unwaveringly conform to gendered expectations. Alternatively, moving away from gender complementarity frees Christians up to explore other biblical alternatives for identity, community and relationship--alternatives based on the example Jesus set and called for in his teachings, rather than on gender difference.
One of the ways that Christians have historically understood the existence of suffering in the world is to attribute it to the idea that things are not now as they were originally created before the sin of Adam and Eve later in Genesis. Since the Fall, humans have experienced and caused things that are out of sync with God’s plan, and some may question whether the existence of transgender people may be a result of the Fall, rather than something that God intended from the beginning. However, it’s important to know that transgender people have existed across cultures and times -- dating back thousands of years. We also know that when it comes to the suffering that transgender and non-binary people experience, most is linked to the stress and oppression caused by other people. Studies show that when transgender people are affirmed and loved, their well-being also benefits.. With this in mind, it would be more likely that sin is at play in the oppressive and damaging ways we treat each other, and not in the very fact of someone’s existence.
3 For more on the diversity of creation, especially when it comes to assigned sex, see Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People by Joan Roughgarden (University of California Press, 2013)
4 To read more about gender complementarity and where this understanding falls short see Point #4 on The Reformation Project’s ‘The Brief Biblical Case for LGBTQ Inclusion’ and Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships by James V. Brownson (Eerdmans, 2013).
5 Many studies have been done on the effect of minority stress on transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Expecting Rejection: Understanding the Minority Stress Experiences of Transgender and Gender-Nonconforming Individuals by Brian A. Rood, Sari L. Reisner, et al, in Transgender Health (2016)
6 See Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth by Stephen T. Russell, Amanda M. Pollitt, et al in Journal of Adolescent Health (2018) and Mental Health of Transgender Children Who Are Supported in Their Identities by Kristina R. Olson, Lily Durwood, et al in Pediatrics (2016) and Intervenable Factors Associated with Suicide Risk in Transgender Persons: A Respondent Driven Sampling Study in Ontario, Canada by Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, et al in BMC Public Health (2015) among others.
Creation and the Gender Binary - Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:18-24
When Christians think about gender, they tend to go back to the beginning. In Genesis, we find two stories about how things came to be, one of which says “So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27, NRSV). If you grew up hearing these stories and living with people who seemed to fit inside these gender boxes, the existence of transgender people might seem to fly in the face of God’s created order. However, when we look just a little closer at each of these passages we find a much more complex and beautiful world. For instance, when God creates men and women in Genesis 1, it’s after creating opposites in every other corner of creation--day and night, land and sea, flying birds and swimming fish. Humans, then, are also created in an opposite pair--male and female. But the problem with a literal reading of this text that even though Genesis 1 sets up these binaries, God’s creation exists in spectrums.
In between day and night we have dawn and dusk; between land and sea we have coral reefs and estuaries and beaches; between flying birds and swimming fish we have penguins and high jumping dolphins, not to mention that uncategorizable favorite the platypus! No one would argue that a penguin is an abomination for not fitting the categories of Genesis 1, or that an estuary isn’t pleasing to God because it’s neither land nor sea. In the same way, God gives every human a self that is unique and may not always fit neatly into a box or binary. Among cisgender people -- that is those whose gender identities align with the sex they were assigned at birth, or non-transgender people -- there is a wide variety in height, strength, hair distribution, size and shape of reproductive organs, and nearly all other physical characteristics, which makes it hard for every single person on earth to fit neatly inside one culture’s categories of man or woman. There is, too, a diversity among transgender and non-binary people when it comes to bodies, personalities, beliefs and experiences. But rather than writing Genesis 1 off as fiction that doesn’t match reality, many affirming Christians recognize that the stories set down in this chapter were never meant to catalogue all of creation (in which case, it would just be an encyclopedia), but rather to point us towards God’s power and love. Not every microbe and constellation must be named in this chapter in order to have a purpose and a blessing.
Genesis 2 gives us a different perspective on the creation story, and here a non-gendered human is created first and then later a piece of the first person, Adam, is made into the second person, Eve. Based on the order of creation in this story, some theologians argue that this passage upholds a structure called gender complementarity. Gender complementarity asserts that God created two fundamentally different genders which have strict corresponding societal roles; in short, men were created to lead and women were created to follow. We don’t have the space here to explore the rich biblical scholarship that has demonstrated the theological and pastoral need for Christian Egalitarianism, but suffice to say these views, even when held with the best intentions, have a consistent history of leading to emotional, spiritual and physical violence against anyone, regardless of their assigned sex or their gender identity or presentation, who does not completely and unwaveringly conform to gendered expectations. Alternatively, moving away from gender complementarity frees Christians up to explore other biblical alternatives for identity, community and relationship--alternatives based on the example Jesus set and called for in his teachings, rather than on gender difference.
One of the ways that Christians have historically understood the existence of suffering in the world is to attribute it to the idea that things are not now as they were originally created before the sin of Adam and Eve later in Genesis. Since the Fall, humans have experienced and caused things that are out of sync with God’s plan, and some may question whether the existence of transgender people may be a result of the Fall, rather than something that God intended from the beginning. However, it’s important to know that transgender people have existed across cultures and times -- dating back thousands of years. We also know that when it comes to the suffering that transgender and non-binary people experience, most is linked to the stress and oppression caused by other people. Studies show that when transgender people are affirmed and loved, their well-being also benefits.. With this in mind, it would be more likely that sin is at play in the oppressive and damaging ways we treat each other, and not in the very fact of someone’s existence.
3 For more on the diversity of creation, especially when it comes to assigned sex, see Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People by Joan Roughgarden (University of California Press, 2013)
4 To read more about gender complementarity and where this understanding falls short see Point #4 on The Reformation Project’s ‘The Brief Biblical Case for LGBTQ Inclusion’ and Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships by James V. Brownson (Eerdmans, 2013).
5 Many studies have been done on the effect of minority stress on transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Expecting Rejection: Understanding the Minority Stress Experiences of Transgender and Gender-Nonconforming Individuals by Brian A. Rood, Sari L. Reisner, et al, in Transgender Health (2016)
6 See Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth by Stephen T. Russell, Amanda M. Pollitt, et al in Journal of Adolescent Health (2018) and Mental Health of Transgender Children Who Are Supported in Their Identities by Kristina R. Olson, Lily Durwood, et al in Pediatrics (2016) and Intervenable Factors Associated with Suicide Risk in Transgender Persons: A Respondent Driven Sampling Study in Ontario, Canada by Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, et al in BMC Public Health (2015) among others.
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Clothing and gender expression - Deuteronomy 22:5
Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God,” (NRSV) is the only verse in all of Scripture that directly references gender-based notions of clothing. While in many cases transgender people are not in fact “cross-dressing” (a term that implies one is crossing their gender identity rather than confirming it), but instead are affirming and reflecting their gender identity through the clothes they wear. This verse has still served as a stumbling block for enough Christians to warrant some exploration. Both affirming and non-affirming biblical scholars have a range of views on why this prohibition was written for its original audience. Some are convinced that forbidding the Hebrew people from dressing in clothes associated with a gender different than their own was a way to be set apart from Canaanite and Syrian religion where this phenomena was a part of certain worship rituals. Other scholars believe the prohibition was more of a way to reinforce previous instructions from the Torah that forbid “mixing” (for example, not blending fabrics, planting variations of seed or eating shellfish), given the way Israel’s national purity and their maintenance of rigid categorical differences were bound together. A third perspective is that Deuteronomy 22:5 was written to keep a gender-segregated society truly segregated. This would prevent things like men and women engaging in various forms of forbidden sexual contact, women from entering the temple, men evading military service, women signing up for military service and other behaviors perceived as contrary to the boundaries between the distinct parts of God’s created order.
Beyond understanding why this verse was originally penned, a more pressing question for Christians to ask is whether or not we are supposed to follow the prohibitions present throughout all of Deuteronomy. The answer for most Christians today would be no, on account of the theological conviction that Jesus, through his life and death, has fulfilled the requirements of the laws Moses presented at Mt. Sinai in the story of Exodus and because they do not believe that maintaining the integrity of God’s creation prohibits mixing. In fact, the incarnation of God as Jesus, the mixing of the fully divine and the fully human, is often viewed as the necessary context for humanity’s salvation altogether. Christians who maintain non-affirming perspectives on transgender and non-binary people must ask themselves why it is that this command is being upheld when they believe that most, if not all, of the other directives around it have been nullified.
7 Ian Cairns, Deuteronomy: Word and Presence. (William B. Eerdmans, 1992.)
8 Patrick D. Miller, Deuteronomy: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching (John Knox Press, 1990)
9 Although the term ‘mixing’ to talk about Jesus can be associated with the heresy of Eutychianism (Jesus’ natures were so thoroughly combined that the result was that Jesus was not able to relate as a true human), the term used here is in keeping with the view that Jesus was truly God and truly man. Read more in ‘Constructing Hybridity and Heterogeneity: Asian American Biblical Interpretation from a Third-Generation Perspective’ by Frank M. Yamada in Ways of Being, Ways of Reading: Asian American Biblical Interpretation edited by Mary F. Foskett and Jeffrey Kah-Jin Kuan (Chalice Press, 2006)
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Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God,” (NRSV) is the only verse in all of Scripture that directly references gender-based notions of clothing. While in many cases transgender people are not in fact “cross-dressing” (a term that implies one is crossing their gender identity rather than confirming it), but instead are affirming and reflecting their gender identity through the clothes they wear. This verse has still served as a stumbling block for enough Christians to warrant some exploration. Both affirming and non-affirming biblical scholars have a range of views on why this prohibition was written for its original audience. Some are convinced that forbidding the Hebrew people from dressing in clothes associated with a gender different than their own was a way to be set apart from Canaanite and Syrian religion where this phenomena was a part of certain worship rituals. Other scholars believe the prohibition was more of a way to reinforce previous instructions from the Torah that forbid “mixing” (for example, not blending fabrics, planting variations of seed or eating shellfish), given the way Israel’s national purity and their maintenance of rigid categorical differences were bound together. A third perspective is that Deuteronomy 22:5 was written to keep a gender-segregated society truly segregated. This would prevent things like men and women engaging in various forms of forbidden sexual contact, women from entering the temple, men evading military service, women signing up for military service and other behaviors perceived as contrary to the boundaries between the distinct parts of God’s created order.
Beyond understanding why this verse was originally penned, a more pressing question for Christians to ask is whether or not we are supposed to follow the prohibitions present throughout all of Deuteronomy. The answer for most Christians today would be no, on account of the theological conviction that Jesus, through his life and death, has fulfilled the requirements of the laws Moses presented at Mt. Sinai in the story of Exodus and because they do not believe that maintaining the integrity of God’s creation prohibits mixing. In fact, the incarnation of God as Jesus, the mixing of the fully divine and the fully human, is often viewed as the necessary context for humanity’s salvation altogether. Christians who maintain non-affirming perspectives on transgender and non-binary people must ask themselves why it is that this command is being upheld when they believe that most, if not all, of the other directives around it have been nullified.
7 Ian Cairns, Deuteronomy: Word and Presence. (William B. Eerdmans, 1992.)
8 Patrick D. Miller, Deuteronomy: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching (John Knox Press, 1990)
9 Although the term ‘mixing’ to talk about Jesus can be associated with the heresy of Eutychianism (Jesus’ natures were so thoroughly combined that the result was that Jesus was not able to relate as a true human), the term used here is in keeping with the view that Jesus was truly God and truly man. Read more in ‘Constructing Hybridity and Heterogeneity: Asian American Biblical Interpretation from a Third-Generation Perspective’ by Frank M. Yamada in Ways of Being, Ways of Reading: Asian American Biblical Interpretation edited by Mary F. Foskett and Jeffrey Kah-Jin Kuan (Chalice Press, 2006)
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Changing names - Genesis 32:28; Numbers 13:16; Matthew 16:17-18
Names are very important and in many cultures they are inseparable from how people connect with one another and establish meaning for their lives. While some transgender and non-binary people do not feel that affirming their gender identity requires a change in name or pronouns, many do. To this end, it feels important to lift up the way that Scripture is filled with stories of people having their name changed as well as stories of people changing the name by which they called upon God. These stories demonstrate that name change can be about proclaiming who one is to become, recognizing and confirming who one has always been or some combination of the two. In Genesis 32 we read of a fearful patriarch, Jacob, on a pilgrimage back to his family from whom he was estranged several years prior as the result of his own wrong-doing. The night before he returns, Jacob is awoken by an attacker, a man whom he wrestles until daybreak leaving him with a displaced hip, a new name and a blessing. Through the violent encounter Jacob is told he will now be called Israel, because he had “struggled with God and with humans and had overcome” (Gen 32:28, NIV). While the name Israel is interpreted differently from scholar to scholar, for the most part, it seems to confirm the longer character arc of Jacob, and perhaps the nation of Israel as a metaphor for a community that has indeed long struggled with God and yet persevered.
In Genesis 16 Hagar, the slave of Abram and Sarai, runs away after severe mistreatment and in the wilderness encounters an angel of God. The angel offers encouraging words and consequently Hagar changes God’s name to El-roi, meaning “one who sees.” This does not shift God’s identity so much as it confirms something poignant about God’s character that Hagar had not fully recognized before. Immediately following this story, we see in Genesis 17 a reaffirmation of the promises God made previously to Abram and Sarai. In this passage, God changes Abram’s name to Abraham, which means “father of many nations” and the name of Sarai to Sarah, possibly meaning “princess of many.”
In Numbers 13 we read the story of Moses changing the name of Hoshea, son of Nun, to Joshua, and from there becoming the second-in-command to Moses. Similarly, Matthew 16 describes the interaction between Jesus and Simon where his name is changed to Peter, as a signal that he is to be “the rock” and foundation of the church. The Bible establishes a precedent that name changes can be either an uncovering of who God has always seen a person to be, or as the recognition of a new identity and a new beginning. These too are important principles at play for many transgender and non-binary people in being able to affirm their gender identities with themselves, with their communities and ultimately with God.
Eunuchs as an example of gender diversity - Deuteronomy 23:1; Isaiah 56:1-8; Matthew 19:12; Acts 8:26-40
The word “transgender” is relatively new, but it speaks to a host of age-old experiences. If you got in a time machine and interviewed people in the Bible, you wouldn’t find anyone who would use this word, because it didn’t exist, but you’d still find transgender and non-binary people. Some trans biblical scholars today are especially interested in the experiences of people in scripture referred to as “eunuchs.”
Typically, eunuchs were people who were assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs changed or removed prior to puberty, but the word “eunuch” in the ancient world would also sometimes be used for those who we would now call intersex. Trans scholars today aren’t interested in these individuals because they believe that eunuchs identified as transgender, but rather because some of the things the eunuchs in scripture experienced are similar to what trans people -- and intersex people -- experience today, particularly in terms of discrimination, oppression and dehumanization.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 a law forbids people assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs crushed or cut off from being part of the community of Israel. This meant that there were probably relatively few eunuchs in Israelite communities for many years, and they’re mentioned rarely. However, once the Israelites were captured by Babylon and Persia, two cultures in which castration was more common, we begin to see more stories concerning eunuchs and their position in society. We see that eunuchs are allowed to move back and forth between men’s and women’s spaces, that they take on tasks and roles related to both genders, and because they were either intersex or physically changed before puberty they often looked different from cisgender men and women. This was normal in Babylonian and Persian society, but still looked down on by the Isrealites.
Once the people of Israel are freed from captivity, several prophets, including Isaiah, guide them in the rebuilding of their homeland. In Isaiah 56:1-8 God speaks through Isaiah and says that even though Deuteronomy 23 outlawed the participation of eunuchs in Israelite society, in the new Israel they will have a special place--God says, “I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off” (Isaiah 56:5, NRSV). This wide welcome would have been a relief for the eunuchs, but warring theological factions meant that as far as we know, this prophecy was never fulfilled.
Many years later, Jesus mentions eunuchs in Matthew 19:12, where he notes that there are many kinds of eunuchs, including “eunuchs who have been so from birth,” “eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others,” and “eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (NRSV). While the first group might include intersex people, and the second group people who were castrated by force, Christians have been arguing for centuries about who might be included in that third category. Regardless of whom he was referencing, what we do know is that in this moment, Jesus first of all does not denigrate eunuchs like others in his society may have done, and beyond that he actually lifts eunuchs up as a positive example. The fact that Jesus positively mentions people who are gender-expansive in his own time and place gives hope to many gender-expansive people today.
Finally, we see another important eunuch in Acts 8:26-40 who travels all the way from Ethiopia hoping to worship in the temple in Jerusalem, and who meets Philip, one of Jesus’ followers, on the way home. Up to that point, we don’t have a record of eunuchs becoming part of the early Christian church, but in this story in Acts we hear about this Ethiopian eunuch who, after hearing about Jesus, asks Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” (Acts 8:36, NRSV). While Philip could have said that there was no precedent for this situation--that the Ethiopian’s ethnicity as a non-Israelite or his identity as a eunuch might indeed prevent him--instead, Philip baptizes him with no questions asked and no strings attached. This story of a gender-expansive person of color welcomed as one of the first Christian converts is a powerful part of our spiritual history.
11 There’s quite a lot of writing from trans people on this subject, but for an overview see Towards a Transgender Theology: Que(e)rying the Eunuchs by Lewis Reay in Trans/Formations by Marcella Althaus-Reid and Lisa Isherwood (SCM Press, 2009). Additionally, for a perspective from transgender theologians who don’t find eunuchs to be a helpful point of connection, see chapter 5, “What Does the Bible Say” in Transfaith: A Transgender Pastoral Resource by Chris Dowd and Christina Beardsley (Darton Longman & Todd Ltd, 2018).
12 For more on intersex people in scripture, and especially connections to the word “eunuch,” see Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God by Megan K. DeFranza (Eerdmans, 2015).
13 Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020. (HRC 2020)
Names are very important and in many cultures they are inseparable from how people connect with one another and establish meaning for their lives. While some transgender and non-binary people do not feel that affirming their gender identity requires a change in name or pronouns, many do. To this end, it feels important to lift up the way that Scripture is filled with stories of people having their name changed as well as stories of people changing the name by which they called upon God. These stories demonstrate that name change can be about proclaiming who one is to become, recognizing and confirming who one has always been or some combination of the two. In Genesis 32 we read of a fearful patriarch, Jacob, on a pilgrimage back to his family from whom he was estranged several years prior as the result of his own wrong-doing. The night before he returns, Jacob is awoken by an attacker, a man whom he wrestles until daybreak leaving him with a displaced hip, a new name and a blessing. Through the violent encounter Jacob is told he will now be called Israel, because he had “struggled with God and with humans and had overcome” (Gen 32:28, NIV). While the name Israel is interpreted differently from scholar to scholar, for the most part, it seems to confirm the longer character arc of Jacob, and perhaps the nation of Israel as a metaphor for a community that has indeed long struggled with God and yet persevered.
In Genesis 16 Hagar, the slave of Abram and Sarai, runs away after severe mistreatment and in the wilderness encounters an angel of God. The angel offers encouraging words and consequently Hagar changes God’s name to El-roi, meaning “one who sees.” This does not shift God’s identity so much as it confirms something poignant about God’s character that Hagar had not fully recognized before. Immediately following this story, we see in Genesis 17 a reaffirmation of the promises God made previously to Abram and Sarai. In this passage, God changes Abram’s name to Abraham, which means “father of many nations” and the name of Sarai to Sarah, possibly meaning “princess of many.”
In Numbers 13 we read the story of Moses changing the name of Hoshea, son of Nun, to Joshua, and from there becoming the second-in-command to Moses. Similarly, Matthew 16 describes the interaction between Jesus and Simon where his name is changed to Peter, as a signal that he is to be “the rock” and foundation of the church. The Bible establishes a precedent that name changes can be either an uncovering of who God has always seen a person to be, or as the recognition of a new identity and a new beginning. These too are important principles at play for many transgender and non-binary people in being able to affirm their gender identities with themselves, with their communities and ultimately with God.
Eunuchs as an example of gender diversity - Deuteronomy 23:1; Isaiah 56:1-8; Matthew 19:12; Acts 8:26-40
The word “transgender” is relatively new, but it speaks to a host of age-old experiences. If you got in a time machine and interviewed people in the Bible, you wouldn’t find anyone who would use this word, because it didn’t exist, but you’d still find transgender and non-binary people. Some trans biblical scholars today are especially interested in the experiences of people in scripture referred to as “eunuchs.”
Typically, eunuchs were people who were assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs changed or removed prior to puberty, but the word “eunuch” in the ancient world would also sometimes be used for those who we would now call intersex. Trans scholars today aren’t interested in these individuals because they believe that eunuchs identified as transgender, but rather because some of the things the eunuchs in scripture experienced are similar to what trans people -- and intersex people -- experience today, particularly in terms of discrimination, oppression and dehumanization.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 a law forbids people assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs crushed or cut off from being part of the community of Israel. This meant that there were probably relatively few eunuchs in Israelite communities for many years, and they’re mentioned rarely. However, once the Israelites were captured by Babylon and Persia, two cultures in which castration was more common, we begin to see more stories concerning eunuchs and their position in society. We see that eunuchs are allowed to move back and forth between men’s and women’s spaces, that they take on tasks and roles related to both genders, and because they were either intersex or physically changed before puberty they often looked different from cisgender men and women. This was normal in Babylonian and Persian society, but still looked down on by the Isrealites.
Once the people of Israel are freed from captivity, several prophets, including Isaiah, guide them in the rebuilding of their homeland. In Isaiah 56:1-8 God speaks through Isaiah and says that even though Deuteronomy 23 outlawed the participation of eunuchs in Israelite society, in the new Israel they will have a special place--God says, “I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off” (Isaiah 56:5, NRSV). This wide welcome would have been a relief for the eunuchs, but warring theological factions meant that as far as we know, this prophecy was never fulfilled.
Many years later, Jesus mentions eunuchs in Matthew 19:12, where he notes that there are many kinds of eunuchs, including “eunuchs who have been so from birth,” “eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others,” and “eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (NRSV). While the first group might include intersex people, and the second group people who were castrated by force, Christians have been arguing for centuries about who might be included in that third category. Regardless of whom he was referencing, what we do know is that in this moment, Jesus first of all does not denigrate eunuchs like others in his society may have done, and beyond that he actually lifts eunuchs up as a positive example. The fact that Jesus positively mentions people who are gender-expansive in his own time and place gives hope to many gender-expansive people today.
Finally, we see another important eunuch in Acts 8:26-40 who travels all the way from Ethiopia hoping to worship in the temple in Jerusalem, and who meets Philip, one of Jesus’ followers, on the way home. Up to that point, we don’t have a record of eunuchs becoming part of the early Christian church, but in this story in Acts we hear about this Ethiopian eunuch who, after hearing about Jesus, asks Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” (Acts 8:36, NRSV). While Philip could have said that there was no precedent for this situation--that the Ethiopian’s ethnicity as a non-Israelite or his identity as a eunuch might indeed prevent him--instead, Philip baptizes him with no questions asked and no strings attached. This story of a gender-expansive person of color welcomed as one of the first Christian converts is a powerful part of our spiritual history.
11 There’s quite a lot of writing from trans people on this subject, but for an overview see Towards a Transgender Theology: Que(e)rying the Eunuchs by Lewis Reay in Trans/Formations by Marcella Althaus-Reid and Lisa Isherwood (SCM Press, 2009). Additionally, for a perspective from transgender theologians who don’t find eunuchs to be a helpful point of connection, see chapter 5, “What Does the Bible Say” in Transfaith: A Transgender Pastoral Resource by Chris Dowd and Christina Beardsley (Darton Longman & Todd Ltd, 2018).
12 For more on intersex people in scripture, and especially connections to the word “eunuch,” see Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God by Megan K. DeFranza (Eerdmans, 2015).
13 Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020. (HRC 2020)
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Being wonderfully made - Psalm 139:13-14
Psalm 139:13-14’s reference to “being wonderfully made” in the “womb,” is frequently referenced within non-affirming theologies to support the idea that being transgender or non-binary and pursuing medically necessary health care is a rejection of God as the designer of life. But that is a severely limiting interpretation, with implications well beyond transgender experiences. Psalm 139 implies that we are all created with love and intention and that every part of us was divinely formed with dignity --both our bodies and our inner knowledge of self. There is no textual reason to believe this excludes our gender identities or gender expressions. While it is true that physical transformation can be rooted in shame, unrealistic beauty standards and body-negativity generally, for many people it can also stem from a position of love, care and stewardship for their body. Transgender and non-binary people pursue physical change, not as an act of revulsion, but as an expression of being committed to integrity in body and spirit. They are acting on the conviction that being “fearfully and wonderfully made” means that peace and wholeness is actually what God wants for us and for the world, whatever that journey looks like to each person.
Often times, transgender people know God through their transgender journeys. Trans experiences can be a rich source through which God speaks different words both to that person and to the people around them; a message that God loves diversity and variation; a message that God invites people into collaboration and co-creating how we will move in and shape the world around us; a message that sometimes knowledge about who we are and who God made us to be can come in different stages and evolve over time.
Gender in Christian community - Galatians 3:28
One of the most difficult things human beings have had to learn how to do is to work together despite our differences, and that’s no less true in the church. There are times when we emphasize the things that we share, and times when we have to emphasize our different gifts and talents even when they seem to put us at odds. We see this tension play out in many of the Apostle Paul’s letters to the early Christian churches, and in his letter to the Galatians he toes this line again when he says, “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28, NRSV). While on the surface this verse may suggest that we ignore or even try to get rid of our differences, it’s also clear from the rest of Paul’s letters that he took these differences seriously during his ministry. He probably was not suggesting that a person ceased to be male or female after baptism, and yet perhaps, when we die and rise again with Christ, we might be made free from the cultural power dynamics that cause one person to oppress another based on race, ethnicity, class, ability, gender or any other difference we may have. Instead, rather than trying to destroy or ignore a facet of humanity that makes us all different, we might consider dissolving the harmful power dynamics that tear us apart. This balance between sameness and difference, between the individual and the communal, is necessary for life together in Christ.
Psalm 139:13-14’s reference to “being wonderfully made” in the “womb,” is frequently referenced within non-affirming theologies to support the idea that being transgender or non-binary and pursuing medically necessary health care is a rejection of God as the designer of life. But that is a severely limiting interpretation, with implications well beyond transgender experiences. Psalm 139 implies that we are all created with love and intention and that every part of us was divinely formed with dignity --both our bodies and our inner knowledge of self. There is no textual reason to believe this excludes our gender identities or gender expressions. While it is true that physical transformation can be rooted in shame, unrealistic beauty standards and body-negativity generally, for many people it can also stem from a position of love, care and stewardship for their body. Transgender and non-binary people pursue physical change, not as an act of revulsion, but as an expression of being committed to integrity in body and spirit. They are acting on the conviction that being “fearfully and wonderfully made” means that peace and wholeness is actually what God wants for us and for the world, whatever that journey looks like to each person.
Often times, transgender people know God through their transgender journeys. Trans experiences can be a rich source through which God speaks different words both to that person and to the people around them; a message that God loves diversity and variation; a message that God invites people into collaboration and co-creating how we will move in and shape the world around us; a message that sometimes knowledge about who we are and who God made us to be can come in different stages and evolve over time.
Gender in Christian community - Galatians 3:28
One of the most difficult things human beings have had to learn how to do is to work together despite our differences, and that’s no less true in the church. There are times when we emphasize the things that we share, and times when we have to emphasize our different gifts and talents even when they seem to put us at odds. We see this tension play out in many of the Apostle Paul’s letters to the early Christian churches, and in his letter to the Galatians he toes this line again when he says, “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28, NRSV). While on the surface this verse may suggest that we ignore or even try to get rid of our differences, it’s also clear from the rest of Paul’s letters that he took these differences seriously during his ministry. He probably was not suggesting that a person ceased to be male or female after baptism, and yet perhaps, when we die and rise again with Christ, we might be made free from the cultural power dynamics that cause one person to oppress another based on race, ethnicity, class, ability, gender or any other difference we may have. Instead, rather than trying to destroy or ignore a facet of humanity that makes us all different, we might consider dissolving the harmful power dynamics that tear us apart. This balance between sameness and difference, between the individual and the communal, is necessary for life together in Christ.
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But what if these interpretations are wrong?
The answer to this question will be different depending on the tradition of the person asking. For example, for some Christians, affirming or not affirming transgender and non-binary people is connected to salvation and eternity. For other Christians, the afterlife isn’t their main concern, but instead their focus is determining what it means for Christians to contribute to human flourishing and to the moral integrity of the church. Whatever is at stake for the person asking, it is important to note the role of humility, grace and having a consistent standard to apply in discerning what is true of God. We read in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that until Christ returns we are bound to see truth in a way that is incomplete, a mere reflection, “as in a mirror, dimly” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NRSV). The Bible calls its interpreters to the awareness that even if ultimate truth about any subject isn’t always in our grasp, we can still remain committed to the task of trying to find it.
As we wrestle, though, we can find solace in knowing that our salvation is not based on our ability to read God’s mind, or our ability to be absolutely perfect and hold all the right views--we are saved by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, NRSV). Additionally, for many Christians, the metric Jesus provided in the Gospel of Matthew about good fruit and bad fruit is one of the most important tools for interpretation: “...Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit” (Matthew 7:17-18, NRSV). A quick survey of the destructive fruit that has come from non-affirming teaching on transgender communities demonstrates the need to explore what other theologies might have to say. Conversely, the outcome of affirming theologies on gender identity lead to words and actions that are reconciliatory, restorative and profoundly “good news” -- not just for individuals, but families, churches and entire communities.
Conclusion
If you are new to this conversation, it’s normal to feel overwhelmed, or fearful that other people will accuse you of affirming transgender and non-binary people merely because it seems politically correct or trendy. However, even though it is true that there has been an increase in transgender and non-binary visibility in media, our society has never seen as many trans-exclusionary bills in state legislatures, public faith statements made against transgender people in churches or higher rates of recorded crimes and violence committed against transgender people. Having the biblical and theological precedent demonstrated throughout this writing doesn’t guarantee anyone protection from continued discrimination. It is always a profound act of courage to come out to yourself and to your community. Similarly, for the friends and family of transgender and non-binary people, to publicly express your love and support in many contexts can be an act of critical solidarity.
In the midst of fear, stress or confusion, it’s important to remember that we are invited to pause, breathe and simply observe the work God is already doing. The experiences of gender diversity can be found in nearly every culture throughout recorded human history. Traditionally gender non-conforming people were given communal roles as spiritual leaders, healers, conflict mediators and cultural conduits.
While not all of these experiences map perfectly on to contemporary trans experiences, what we do see similarly today are countless examples of transgender and non-binary people across denominations operating in specialized roles within the church whether formally recognized or not. Transgender and non-binary people are actively preaching, teaching, leading, pastoring and offering their time, energy and various gifts for ministry and service. What this tells us is that the real issue here is not whether a person can be transgender and Christian, but whether the church will acknowledge and empower those whom God is already working through to enrich the whole life of the body of Christ. As we all approach this topic with compassion, humility and courage, we may call to mind the words of Gamaliel, a teacher who defended the persecuted apostles of the early church: “...If this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them—in that case you may even be found fighting against God!” (Acts 5:34-39, NRSV).
The answer to this question will be different depending on the tradition of the person asking. For example, for some Christians, affirming or not affirming transgender and non-binary people is connected to salvation and eternity. For other Christians, the afterlife isn’t their main concern, but instead their focus is determining what it means for Christians to contribute to human flourishing and to the moral integrity of the church. Whatever is at stake for the person asking, it is important to note the role of humility, grace and having a consistent standard to apply in discerning what is true of God. We read in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that until Christ returns we are bound to see truth in a way that is incomplete, a mere reflection, “as in a mirror, dimly” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NRSV). The Bible calls its interpreters to the awareness that even if ultimate truth about any subject isn’t always in our grasp, we can still remain committed to the task of trying to find it.
As we wrestle, though, we can find solace in knowing that our salvation is not based on our ability to read God’s mind, or our ability to be absolutely perfect and hold all the right views--we are saved by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, NRSV). Additionally, for many Christians, the metric Jesus provided in the Gospel of Matthew about good fruit and bad fruit is one of the most important tools for interpretation: “...Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit” (Matthew 7:17-18, NRSV). A quick survey of the destructive fruit that has come from non-affirming teaching on transgender communities demonstrates the need to explore what other theologies might have to say. Conversely, the outcome of affirming theologies on gender identity lead to words and actions that are reconciliatory, restorative and profoundly “good news” -- not just for individuals, but families, churches and entire communities.
Conclusion
If you are new to this conversation, it’s normal to feel overwhelmed, or fearful that other people will accuse you of affirming transgender and non-binary people merely because it seems politically correct or trendy. However, even though it is true that there has been an increase in transgender and non-binary visibility in media, our society has never seen as many trans-exclusionary bills in state legislatures, public faith statements made against transgender people in churches or higher rates of recorded crimes and violence committed against transgender people. Having the biblical and theological precedent demonstrated throughout this writing doesn’t guarantee anyone protection from continued discrimination. It is always a profound act of courage to come out to yourself and to your community. Similarly, for the friends and family of transgender and non-binary people, to publicly express your love and support in many contexts can be an act of critical solidarity.
In the midst of fear, stress or confusion, it’s important to remember that we are invited to pause, breathe and simply observe the work God is already doing. The experiences of gender diversity can be found in nearly every culture throughout recorded human history. Traditionally gender non-conforming people were given communal roles as spiritual leaders, healers, conflict mediators and cultural conduits.
While not all of these experiences map perfectly on to contemporary trans experiences, what we do see similarly today are countless examples of transgender and non-binary people across denominations operating in specialized roles within the church whether formally recognized or not. Transgender and non-binary people are actively preaching, teaching, leading, pastoring and offering their time, energy and various gifts for ministry and service. What this tells us is that the real issue here is not whether a person can be transgender and Christian, but whether the church will acknowledge and empower those whom God is already working through to enrich the whole life of the body of Christ. As we all approach this topic with compassion, humility and courage, we may call to mind the words of Gamaliel, a teacher who defended the persecuted apostles of the early church: “...If this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them—in that case you may even be found fighting against God!” (Acts 5:34-39, NRSV).
85Arson_lover
the first meme is funny https://youtube.com/shorts/4XfgCJS0QQI?si=2E47bl7e2l_JlNnp
86Owltherian
XD
87Arson_lover
the bee is ded now
88Owltherian
I'd bet and putting all of does words hurt mah hands
89Arson_lover
oof
90Owltherian
They are cramping so bad rn
91Owltherian
Also wanna rp?
93Sxkurablossom
ive just been waiting to say something but I give up so heyyy
94Owltherian
Okay, your very welcome
95Owltherian
>93 Sxkurablossom: *TACKLE HUGS* HAIII
97Sxkurablossom
>95 Owltherian: HEY OWLLL!!!
❤❤❤
❤❤❤
98Owltherian
>96 Arson_lover: Alr! What rp tho- im kinda getting bored of the CH one tho for now at least
99Arson_lover
mmmmmmmmmm idk
100Owltherian
>97 Sxkurablossom: HRUUUU? If you want to know a crap ton from the bible, scroll a bunch lol
101Owltherian
>99 Arson_lover: Uhhhh- what aboutttt Castlewood herd?
102Arson_lover
how do you watch yt on a wii 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 https://youtube.com/shorts/M-tRKidphjE?si=xcFzIWXc3h8-3wgA
103Sxkurablossom
>100 Owltherian: nah I was there the entire time just trying to find a good time to say hi
105Owltherian
>103 Sxkurablossom: My hands hurt bc of writing so much
107Sxkurablossom
>102 Arson_lover: I know to to on a 3DS?
108Arson_lover
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109Sxkurablossom
>105 Owltherian: lmao I can imagine
110Owltherian
>109 Sxkurablossom: I'm wearing a sally inspired dress :)
111Owltherian
Can can we rp? I made a character
112Sxkurablossom
>110 Owltherian: ohhh cuteeeee
113Owltherian
>112 Sxkurablossom: With tights and honestly its rlly comfy compared to a few other dresses i own
115Owltherian
>114 Tun.aqua: I spent so much time writing a bunch of words- my hands are literally dying
116Tun.aqua
>115 Owltherian: Rip ur fingers man >-
117Owltherian
VIVVVVVVV- u still here?
119Owltherian
Vivvvvv- i wanna roleplayyyyyyyyy
120Arson_lover
guys i made a discovery its very yummy!!
121Owltherian
>120 Arson_lover: Whats yummy?
122Arson_lover
ok so whip a egg yolk add some pankace mix with some sugar ans a little salt cook it like a pancake and you get a panookie (panckae cookie)
123Owltherian
>122 Arson_lover: Ooh- intresting
125Arson_lover
what?
126Arson_lover
who is u?
128Arson_lover
me is ADHD (aka viv) now who is u
129Owltherian
XD- and ahhhh- i love the look of this dressssss
130Tun.aqua
>128 Arson_lover: i is Tuna. 👍
133Owltherian
I want to listen to the band "Lights" but my google thinks its a song :(
134Arson_lover
oh oops
135Owltherian
GOOGLE WHYYYYYY-
137Arson_lover
*blep*
138Owltherian
Mrroow
140Owltherian
Prrrrow
141Arson_lover
the fuck is going on (IM HOME ALONE!!!)
142Owltherian
(OH FUDGE-) and uhhhhh-
143Arson_lover
(IM HAPPY!!)
144Owltherian
(I love being home alone honestly- i can watch what i want)
145Arson_lover
(yeah but its the same for me but cooking)
147Owltherian
EEK- I FOUND AN EXTRA LARGE CHOCO BAR-
148Owltherian
>146 Sxkurablossom: *Dying laughing*
149Arson_lover
*same*
150Sxkurablossom
😭😭😭
151Owltherian
My back hurts
152Owltherian
*coughs in freezing cold*
156Owltherian
Oh yeah dats true
158Arson_lover
*bleps in idk waht to do im home alone*
160Arson_lover
but we dont have junk food *bleps is dad wont buy junk food*
162jazminekittie
>159 Moicah: OMG I LOVE DOING THAT!!! I listen to mitski and cavetown most of the time
163jazminekittie
>160 Arson_lover: eat salad then, it's healthy and delicious 👍
164Arson_lover
we dont have salad?
165jazminekittie
>164 Arson_lover: eat your hair 👍
166Arson_lover
wtf
167Arson_lover
i am a home cook so why hair?
168jazminekittie
>167 Arson_lover: its yummy!!!!
169Arson_lover
no just no
170jazminekittie
yes just yes
171Arson_lover
ok why are you like this?
172Sxkurablossom
;-;
173Arson_lover
(O-0)-0)o)
175Arson_lover
hey guys sorry but i gotta go ;-;
176Owltherian
NURRRR I JUST GOT BACKKKKK- *tackle hugs*
177Arson_lover
oof!
178Owltherian
DONT LEAVE MEH
179Arson_lover
srry but my dad says i have to go with him to somewhere
180Owltherian
*sad owl noises* See u when u get back den
181Owltherian
Eek- ima try to walk (doing quads)
182NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hola I'm back
183NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hey, gues what, I made a group of my own!! If you wanna join it's called Chat out you life and make friends!!
185NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yep I made a new group!!
186jazminekittie
>185 NEZUKO_CHAN16: i joined :D
187NEZUKO_CHAN16
Thank you for joining!! I appreciate it!! And you said your name is Jayda?
188jazminekittie
>187 NEZUKO_CHAN16: yeah!! I call myself jayda online cus its my oc's name, but my irl name is jazmine :)
189Arson_lover
im here/back :DDDDDD
190Arson_lover
why is this true tho- https://youtube.com/shorts/Mc8FD7W3UIQ?si=0lyOgsL2Nd30BSe3
193Arson_lover
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
195jazminekittie
>192 Exo_: oh :d baiii
196Arson_lover
yo mociah this is why i said that Italy is the almighty god ball https://youtu.be/AJP3pwu7O44?si=nj2k12hh2q1lkv_i
197NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hoi there, I made a new group called Chat out you life and make friends, come join if you want to!
198jazminekittie
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200jazminekittie
HEL
201jazminekittie
MY FRIEND TYPED THAT I'M SO SORRY 😭 IM AT HER HOUSE RN
202NEZUKO_CHAN16
oop
203Arson_lover
its fine kit
204jazminekittie
>203 Arson_lover: okay ty- my friend is literally so weird but thats what I love about her lol
she asked me if there was a way to type a message without it showing and I showed her how and she typed that T_T
she asked me if there was a way to type a message without it showing and I showed her how and she typed that T_T
205Owltherian
*cries in stomach hurts after not eating all day and then shoving food into my mouth*
206Arson_lover
if she want to say something let her we are all weird in one way or another here (like i started a WORM CULT)
207Arson_lover
*me vibin to levels by avicii*
208jazminekittie
>206 Arson_lover: yeah but she's that friend you can't take ANYWHERE 😭- She's just silly like that (and so am I ;3)
209Owltherian
I wanna do quads so bad but im in a dress so i cant *sad owl noises*
210Arson_lover
>208 jazminekittie: lol litterly me
212Owltherian
Woops
213Arson_lover
>211 Exo_: you should be saying that to the group who has 17 gen chat with 700-1000 messages
214jazminekittie
>209 Owltherian: I hate dresses in general, like yeah they're really pretty and all, but sometimes my heels/shoes get caught in the dress and it's a hassle to get them out
215Arson_lover
>214 jazminekittie: i dont wear dresses at all
216jazminekittie
>213 Arson_lover: you're in the group that has 17 (now 18) gen chats with 700-1000 messages rn lol
217Arson_lover
oop
218jazminekittie
>215 Arson_lover: not even for prom or parties??
219Arson_lover
lol
220Owltherian
*casually vibing to 100 Bad Days*
221Arson_lover
100 bad days = 100 good storys
222Arson_lover
100 good storys made me interesting at partys
223Owltherian
>215 Arson_lover: Noice- i own a very select FEW and one kept sliding down and exposing my upper chest area due to mah bra that i wore
225Arson_lover
*me vibin to 7 seas*
226Exo_
https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/24105/Teenthing exists… we dont need another general chat group…
227jazminekittie
>223 Owltherian: ahh that sucks!! my parents don't allow me to wear anything revealing and I'm glad about that because I've been shamed and s*xualized for my body a lot :(
228Owltherian
I hated said bra but i could literally sprint in the dress, and especially cry
229jazminekittie
>226 Exo_: yeah but people don't use that group often
232Owltherian
>227 jazminekittie: I've been called fat many times and EXTREMELY restrict my eating, lets just say i felt like a slob at dinner due to how fast i was eating.
233jazminekittie
>231 Moicah: I'm not new lol- I'm chipichipi but I changed my username
235Arson_lover
imma change my user brb
236Arson_lover
how do i do that?
237Owltherian
alr. I'm not sure honestly lol
238Exo_
>229 jazminekittie: Then again;
Will these 92774782726472628 different new general chat groups really be active? Considering what happened to Teenthing, no probably not.
Will these 92774782726472628 different new general chat groups really be active? Considering what happened to Teenthing, no probably not.
239jazminekittie
>232 Owltherian: TW: sv!c!de, s/a
I literally hide my food or don't eat it at all because I'm worried if people will judge me for the things I eat for lunch.
also I've literally been catcalled multiple times andeven possibly s/a'ed in the 5th grade by my old friends and it's driven me to the point where I've considered killing myself or disappearing from the earth entirely . it sucks.
I literally hide my food or don't eat it at all because I'm worried if people will judge me for the things I eat for lunch.
also I've literally been catcalled multiple times and
240jazminekittie
>236 Arson_lover: it's in account settings :) just scroll down and there's this big steps section where you can change ur user
241Owltherian
*Vibes to Pirelli's Miracle Elixir from Sweeny Todd*
243jazminekittie
>238 Exo_: yes they will, cus apparently teenthing is literally just a randown building at this point so nobody would enter
they'd probably enter the new, fresh buildings (new groups) because they're full of life and perfect for invitations (conversations).
they'd probably enter the new, fresh buildings (new groups) because they're full of life and perfect for invitations (conversations).
244Owltherian
>239 jazminekittie: I was called motherless, a literal FAG, fat, a cottonpicker, and A FUCKING Z00PHILE!
245Owltherian
AND A LOT MORE
246Arson_lover
my user if aproved will be Arson_lover :DDD
247jazminekittie
>244 Owltherian: a COTTONPICKER AND ZOOPHILE??
249Arson_lover
*vibin to bad karma*
250jazminekittie
>246 Arson_lover: I don't think it'll be approved because that username sounds like a literal threat..
I know I might sound like a grandma but arson isn't a joke. it's a serious offensive and shouldn't be joked about EVER. I used to think this was funny myself but eventually realized how dangerous arson was and stopped, so pls also stop!!
I know I might sound like a grandma but arson isn't a joke. it's a serious offensive and shouldn't be joked about EVER. I used to think this was funny myself but eventually realized how dangerous arson was and stopped, so pls also stop!!
251Arson_lover
>250 jazminekittie: i dont do arson i just like fire in general
252Exo_
>243 jazminekittie: uh huh…
many new groups are active at first but slowly just die out
keep believing pal… keep believing…
many new groups are active at first but slowly just die out
keep believing pal… keep believing…
253Owltherian
My dad's ex. wife called me fat, motherless and that my mom was an alchoholic....I sometimes question why I'm alive most of the time
254jazminekittie
>252 Exo_: okay yeah you kinda got a point cus not every building (group) stays intact (alive)
I still agree with u though I'm not disagreeing, dw
I still agree with u though I'm not disagreeing, dw
255Arson_lover
me wondering if water is wet why is it wet?
256Exo_
>246 Arson_lover: That just sounds like you’re speedrunning a ban.
257jazminekittie
>251 Arson_lover: yeah.. but why do u like fire?? do you like houses burning down or do u like stuff like campfires or kitchen stoves?? if it's the second that's fine, but I'm assuming it's the first considering you literally take arson as if it's some joke
258Owltherian
>255 Arson_lover: Water molecules are held together by hydrogen bonds, involving hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms. When water molecules come into contact with a surface, these forces create the condition of a liquid being wet.
259jazminekittie
>258 Owltherian: 🤓☝️ (sorry I had to!! ;3)
260Arson_lover
>257 jazminekittie: idk it just pleases my mind campfire's are my fav tho
261jazminekittie
OMG my friend just said the weirdest thing ever 0_0
this is what she said IN QUOTES- "my little pony, skinny and boney, tripped on a wire, fell in a fire.."
this is what she said IN QUOTES- "my little pony, skinny and boney, tripped on a wire, fell in a fire.."
262jazminekittie
>260 Arson_lover: if it pleases your mind you could have just said fire lover
264Arson_lover
>261 jazminekittie: *screams in omg i do that!!*
265Owltherian
Ugh! I wish i didnt look so ugly- i have so many scars and it looks horrible.....
266Arson_lover
i have a surgery scar and i like it!
267jazminekittie
>265 Owltherian: use scar gel, it helps me get rid of all my mosquito bites from the summer :D
268Owltherian
*bangs head on table*
269Owltherian
>267 jazminekittie: I cant get rid of my scar.....
270Arson_lover
*Bleps and makes eyes go outward cross-eyed*
271Owltherian
Ah great- my arms are red! Hah......
272jazminekittie
>269 Owltherian: is it a big scar?? if u can't get red of it then try putting make up on it but I don't think there's anything else u can do :( sorry u have those scars btw
273Owltherian
>272 jazminekittie: Yeah....it basically is over my whole stomach and I've had it since my birth
274jazminekittie
>273 Owltherian: ohh that sucks :(( hopefully you can find a way to hide it though!! I suggest wearing big clothes but my best suggestion is to just accept it as being who you are :) I do that with a lot of insecurities I used to have and it really helped me!!
275Owltherian
People always say things when i wear the same baggy hoodie for days.....they think its discusting
276Arson_lover
he is a eepy man https://youtube.com/shorts/HMo-TY2sJ6Q?si=ueQhh8snjfWdWUn_
277jazminekittie
>275 Owltherian: then wear a baggy tee or an undershirt, just anything that can cover up the area
280Owltherian
>277 jazminekittie: My grandparents and parents only buy clothes that fit fit me, nothing oversized.
281Arson_lover
yeeyyy good for you!!
283Owltherian
If i make up a rlly bad nickname for you, I'm sorry.
287Arson_lover
gotta go to bed bye yall
288Owltherian
bye *huggos*
289jazminekittie
>279 Moicah: being vulgar is fine lol- in fact i sometimes curse irl if i'm stressed or something. In fact watch me do it now. Whore. HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
290NEZUKO_CHAN16
Byby
291NEZUKO_CHAN16
>289 jazminekittie: you ok?
292jazminekittie
>280 Owltherian: hmmm maybe try getting a long shirt?? i know those exist so try that
293jazminekittie
>286 Arson_lover: my school blocked yt shorts but not actual youtube lol
294jazminekittie
>291 NEZUKO_CHAN16: what? yeah, i'm fine, why do u ask??
295Owltherian
Yeah- maybe that will work
296Owltherian
*Cries while thinking of having to go to my mamaw and pappy's for the next weekend.*
298NEZUKO_CHAN16
>296 Owltherian: I feel bad you have to worry so much Lily.
299Owltherian
I guess but im still scared...
301Owltherian
Who knows what they will say!
302jazminekittie
>296 Owltherian: i feel so sorry for you, hopefully your experience will be somewhat bareable/good
303jazminekittie
>301 Owltherian: just hope everything goes smoothly, the world has bumpy and smooth roads so you have to experience both :(
304Exo_
someone explain to me why i am a huge fan of a fictional anime girl and why im hugging my nesoberi (basically a plushie) of it rn
305Owltherian
They have always been homophobic so i'm sure they will scream at me for doing this.
307jazminekittie
>304 Exo_: my friend does something similar with fictional anime men, like douma, akaza, geto.. I feel scared for her sanity (╥﹏╥)
310jazminekittie
>306 Exo_: that sucks :( I have an allergy to dustmites and I have no idea what those are but its been making me sick so often 😭
thankfully i've been taking shots for it so it's getting better ;3
thankfully i've been taking shots for it so it's getting better ;3
312Owltherian
*vibes while crying to songs*
313jazminekittie
>305 Owltherian: just try your best to hide it okay?? everything will be alright
314jazminekittie
>312 Owltherian: i do that a lot, especially with mitski and tv girl
315Owltherian
I'll try to do my best, its not really easy due to me constantly cutting my hair.
319jazminekittie
>315 Owltherian: then just say u like short haircuts?? cis girls like short haircuts too so u can just say that you're into short hair
also maybe try growing/cutting it a little tiny bit past ur ears so its believable
also maybe try growing/cutting it a little tiny bit past ur ears so its believable
321Owltherian
Ughhh- i wanna eat still- i'm freaking starvingggg
322Owltherian
>319 jazminekittie: it looks like a haircut a male would get though.....
323Owltherian
Things to do when someone barks at you:
1. Buy them a leash
2. Throw treats at them
3. Hiss at dem
4. baseball bat
1. Buy them a leash
2. Throw treats at them
3. Hiss at dem
4. baseball bat
325jazminekittie
>322 Owltherian: oh- then just say u didn't know and u found it cute!! its fine to be clueless about something so they'll probably let it slide
if ur hair grows out again, if u want to u can maybe get a slightly more feminine cut? like a mullet or wolf cut, it's for men and women and looks cute on everyone
if ur hair grows out again, if u want to u can maybe get a slightly more feminine cut? like a mullet or wolf cut, it's for men and women and looks cute on everyone
326Owltherian
>325 jazminekittie: Maybe....but i want to have others like it compared to just me liking it. (I'm a people pleaser)
327Owltherian
Anyone online?
328Arson_lover
yesh
329Snapped_Fingers9
hey just wanted to ask, do any of you use chatGPT? you know, like for school?
331Snapped_Fingers9
you should, saves you a lot of extra work
332jazminekittie
>329 Snapped_Fingers9: Not that much, but I sometimes use it when I'm stumped on writing
Like for example, if I were writing an adventure story, I'd ask chatgpt "hey write me an adventure story!" and then work from what it gives me :)
Like for example, if I were writing an adventure story, I'd ask chatgpt "hey write me an adventure story!" and then work from what it gives me :)
333jazminekittie
>331 Snapped_Fingers9: yes, but don't rely onto it because my teachers caught a student faking their essays with ai. either way it's still good to ask the ai SOME things but not all because you need to be independent!!
334Owltherian
im freezing rn- i'm even covered in a blanket
335Arson_lover
*vibes to crab rave*
336jazminekittie
>334 Owltherian: are you sick?? try using those little heater things, idk what they're called sorry (╥﹏╥)
also maybe try going to the warmest room possible and using more blankets :)
also maybe try going to the warmest room possible and using more blankets :)
337Owltherian
I'm not sick just my house is freezing cold. I'm even wearing fuzzy socks
338jazminekittie
>337 Owltherian: hmmm.. maybe wear a sweater and some warm pants, that could help :3
339Owltherian
I'm already wearing a sweater like shirt
340jazminekittie
>339 Owltherian: maybe take a warm shower?? Idk if that will make it worse but just try, it could help!!
341Owltherian
maybe- i need to take one anyways
342jazminekittie
>341 Owltherian: same lol- my period just ended so I have to take a shower/ablution/ghusl ;3
343Arson_lover
*cries in this is my bloodiest period yet and it hurts*
344Owltherian
I think mine just ended as well so ye
345Owltherian
*cries in teenager periods are the worst*
346Owltherian
What do yall wanna talk about?
347jazminekittie
>346 Owltherian: hmm.. music??
348Owltherian
>347 jazminekittie: Sure! I just finished a book! Its called My Life With the Walter Boys
358jazminekittie
>348 Owltherian: ooo!! I'm currently reading something called That Was Then, This is Now
(sorry for the late response lol- I just took a shower)
(sorry for the late response lol- I just took a shower)
359jazminekittie
>350 Moicah: Drything LOL
366Arson_lover
i need the link my comp deided :D
369jazminekittie
>363 Moicah: what server?? a discord server?? I don't think I've joined yet
372Owltherian
>358 jazminekittie: Its totally fine, I'm about to start Midnight Bayou by Nora Roberts which is kinda like a murder romance ig
373jazminekittie
>372 Owltherian: oooh that sounds interesting!! I'm not that into romance though, so it doesnt feel like something I'd read
374Owltherian
Yeah, neither am I but her books are kinda subtle with the romance unless you read the uh The Chronicles of The One series also by her
376Owltherian
Like the first book of that series is so different compared to the other two
379jazminekittie
>374 Owltherian: oohh okay!! It sounds like a good book. Hope u enjoy it!! :3
381Owltherian
*yawns in superbowl is today and i could care less about the teams playing against eachother*
382Owltherian
*coughs in totally not playing Primus on my google and then it plays freaking Paint The Town Red by Doja Cat*
383jazminekittie
>381 Owltherian: tbh I like watching the superbowl, I don't understand it but at least it's better to watch than the world cup (yes, ik my opinion is controversial. fight me >:3)
384jazminekittie
>382 Owltherian: wdym what's wrong with doja??
385Owltherian
>384 jazminekittie: Its on the radio 24 freaking 7
386jazminekittie
>385 Owltherian: probably because the radio only takes trending audios .---. what'dya expect? some very awesome underground artist who barely gets any listens on Spotify?? I wish, but sadly no :( that's just how it is. only popular artists like Taylor and Arianna (but Ari is still good, I love her music!!!)
387Owltherian
Ari and taylor are good but WAY overplayed
388Exo_
>329 Snapped_Fingers9: only at times where my brain is just... dead
389jazminekittie
>387 Owltherian: Yeah but personally I'm not a swifite
390Exo_
>350 Moicah: Drything is real.
392Owltherian
My hands are still colddddd
393Arson_lover
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395Bazlisprout
HI KEN
400Bazlisprout
ooo
402Bazlisprout
rp any one?
406Bazlisprout
:DDDDDDdd
409jazminekittie
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
411Arson_lover
I HAVE BIG NEWS!!!
413Arson_lover
I FINALLY GOT A PHONE!!
415Arson_lover
ONLY MA BESTIES WILL GET MA PHONE # actually imma just make a rp/fight to get it lol
416Arson_lover
hold on gotta make the contest area
420Bazlisprout
hiiii anyone wanna make an scp rp?
421Arson_lover
sure idfc
422Bazlisprout
you okay adhd? u seem pissed
423Arson_lover
oh nothing its just the fact that this is my 1st thing where i actually have a attitude and im fucking tired
424Bazlisprout
ohhh first period? or am i wrong?
425Arson_lover
>424 Bazlisprout: wrong just my 1st one with a additdue
426Bazlisprout
ohhh okay
427Arson_lover
soo rp?
428Bazlisprout
yea ill make it brb
433Arson_lover
>:( its Blep
434Snapped_Fingers9
mangafire just got blocked 🥲
439Arson_lover
*vanishing meme*
443Snapped_Fingers9
no they would not waste their time on our shit
445Arson_lover
my school can see waht we type buuuuuuuuuuuuut we cuss they dont care we say somthin like im dead they will know lol
447Arson_lover
;-;
449Arson_lover
man im ded *turns into that falling skeleton*
450Snapped_Fingers9
don't you guys have your own personal computer you can use?
451Arson_lover
sorta ig
452Arson_lover
but i lost the charger to it and now dad has to buy a Uni-charger ;-;
453Sxkurablossom
guys based off me guess my favorite SCP
454Arson_lover
hmmm 999?
456Sxkurablossom
nopeee I like them though
457Sxkurablossom
My favorite is actually SCP-1471 lmao
458Snapped_Fingers9
no way in hell we could guess, do you how many of them are there?
459TodoBoogieWoogie
hello
460TodoBoogieWoogie
how is you
461TodoBoogieWoogie
Snapped Fingers we should set aside our differences
462Sxkurablossom
>458 Snapped_Fingers9: yeah well if you know me its kinda obvious
464Sxkurablossom
plus I am obsessed with wendigos
465Sxkurablossom
like ahhhh so cuteeee
466TodoBoogieWoogie
why do replys only appear after typing
468Snapped_Fingers9
>461 TodoBoogieWoogie: what differences?
469Snapped_Fingers9
about genshin impact?
470Snapped_Fingers9
i totally forgot what that was about but it's all in the past. we all good now, my friend 😀
472Sxkurablossom
like look how cute these little shits are



473Sxkurablossom
im boreddd
474cielomort
>472 Sxkurablossom: is that a wendigo?
475Snapped_Fingers9
>473 Sxkurablossom: play this game https://www.google.com/logos/2018/halloween18/rc5/halloween18.html?hl=en it's awesome
479Snapped_Fingers9
>477 cielomort: it came just came to me one day and i thought it sounded cool like the name of a rock band yk?
481Sxkurablossom
>475 Snapped_Fingers9: mkk but it says waiting for players?
482Arson_lover
*bleps in hello*
483Sxkurablossom
heyyy
484Snapped_Fingers9
>481 Sxkurablossom: ok make a game and invite me
485Sxkurablossom
>484 Snapped_Fingers9: the link is blank?
no link
no link
487Snapped_Fingers9
ok here's the link i invited you - https://g.co/doodle/r7bdjky
488Snapped_Fingers9
moicah, wanna join?
490Sxkurablossom
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491Sxkurablossom
>489 Moicah: same?
492Sxkurablossom
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494Snapped_Fingers9
fuck
496Snapped_Fingers9
it's a really fun game
497Sxkurablossom
>495 Moicah: is that what its doing to you?
506Sxkurablossom
LMFAO
511Snapped_Fingers9
i have no idea what you're talking about but congrats!🥳
515Exo_
>514 Moicah: kinda
516TodoBoogieWoogie
sup guys
517sillygooberness
Good morning
518Someone757
>477 cielomort: mine is a variation of an alt gmail account I used to use often
520jjinbe
>516 TodoBoogieWoogie: i love ur user, todo the goat fr
521Owltherian
*Screeches in Adobe illustrator is taking forever to load*
522ADHD.but.fun
*bleps in got a phone!!*
523Owltherian
heuhfefufehufeuef- ITS TAKING FOREVER
524jjinbe
>521 Owltherian: blehh i hate using adobe in class, all the computers here are terrible :(
525Owltherian
>524 jjinbe: I NEED TO FINISH AN ASSIGNMENT AND IM USING THE SLOWEST COMP IN THE WORLD
526jjinbe
>525 Owltherian: NOOOOOOO :,(
527Owltherian
Now the site isnt even responding *sad owl noises*
528jjinbe
>527 Owltherian: ripppp, my schools computers are so iffy, they either work alright, or they dont work at all lolz
529Owltherian
*Cries in cant even get to my assignment cuz i moved comps and my google drive isn't attached*
530Sxkurablossom
>522 ADHD.but.fun: nicee I can give you my number if you want :)
531ADHD.but.fun
>530 Sxkurablossom: There is a contest for that
532TodoBoogieWoogie
>520 jjinbe: thanks, i have only watched 8 episodes of the first season but its pretty hype so far
533ADHD.but.fun
OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA OIIA
534Snapped_Fingers9
do any of you use mywaifulist? i use it to keep track of my favorite characters
535Arson_lover
MY USER HAS CHANGED!!
536Snapped_Fingers9
it's unblocked for securly i think
537Arson_lover
FOR ALL PEOPLE WHO CALL ME ADHD CALL ME Arson!
538Snapped_Fingers9
i was wondering why the last message in tpbm topic was the user "arson lover" but you posted the last message
539Owltherian
>537 Arson_lover: *Coughs in calls u Viv*
540Arson_lover
>539 Owltherian: yeah yeah i know
541sillygooberness
I didn’t finish the mega mind operation board game 🤕
542Snapped_Fingers9
>539 Owltherian: it appears many people are catching a chill as of late, if your throat is bothering you, owltherian, perhaps some tea and rest are in order.
543Owltherian
>542 Snapped_Fingers9: I just do that- i probably have a cold tho
545TodoBoogieWoogie
>544 Moicah: Rascism?
546Owltherian
Woop-
548Owltherian
haha, great im crying-
550Owltherian
I currently want to bang my head into a brick wall because of my teacher
552Owltherian
>551 Moicah: No, its not actually, i havent done it
554Owltherian
My teacher is trying to make me fail
556Owltherian
Like i understand im missing things!
558Owltherian
Can we roleplay?
560Owltherian
Same, i'm doing school work rn
562Owltherian
What rp do u wanna do?
564Owltherian
uhhh- HiTW?
565Sxkurablossom
height in the water?
567Owltherian
ye and oh crap gtg until i get home after 5 sorry about dat
569Snapped_Fingers9
does this work for any of you https://doodles.google/doodle/halloween-2022/
571Snapped_Fingers9
GREAT Can i invite you to a game then?
575Bazlisprout
oop
577Snapped_Fingers9
oh fuck. no only links 😞
579sillygooberness
Crazy how it’s already at 500 lol
580sillygooberness
Almost 600
581sillygooberness
Also I’m listening to Laufey rn
582Tun.aqua
do you ever just-
Haa? ussee ussee wa
Anata ga omou kenkou desu
Issai gassai bonyou na
Anata ja wakaranai kamo ne
Haa? ussee ussee wa
Anata ga omou kenkou desu
Issai gassai bonyou na
Anata ja wakaranai kamo ne
583Bazlisprout
huh
585TodoBoogieWoogie
tried to turn on dev mode, erased my search history :))))))))))
586TodoBoogieWoogie
ain't that great
587Owltherian
I'm backkkkkk
591sashimisss
>582 Tun.aqua: relatable
593Someone757
I miss back when Prodigy wasn't pay 2 play :/
594Arson_lover
yeah the newer one is no just no
595Someone757
I played less when they revamped the fighting system like a year or more ago. and I stopped playing when they added the REVAMPED element crystal storyline thing. honestly, I just kinda miss being decently powerful
596Owltherian
hi.....
597Someone757
hi.....
598Arson_lover
>595 Someone757: i miss the old puppeteer but the wood guy is still the same i think
599Someone757
>598 Arson_lover: I miss being able to use the all out attack tbh (specifically, when it's useful in the slightest)
600Owltherian
im prob just gonna go- i prob made someone sad or something.
601Someone757
nah you're fine
602Someone757
I started it
603Owltherian
Hey Viv- wanna rp? I'm switching classes tho
604Arson_lover
im in english and i have gym next
606Owltherian
Dang ittttt- i feel like Bazi is sad and its mah faultttt
608Owltherian
Guysss i'm joining another site- i need a good handle and i need help making oneeeeeee
609Rillfletcher
BEE_GINER thats the name
610Owltherian
Lol, i did Owlisnonbinary4life as my handle
611Bazlisprout
nice
612NEZUKO_CHAN16
Love it
613Owltherian
The site is unvale.io
615Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
I fricken love ado
616Arson_lover_v.2
I AM ALIVE!!!!
617Bazlisprout
*tackle hug* ARSONNN
618Arson_lover_v.2
it said i was underaged im fucking 13!!
619Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
UR BACK
620Arson_lover_v.2
yeah but my main is ded hey can yall send me my links to my groups?
622Owltherian
>616 Arson_lover_v.2: VIV!!!!
623Arson_lover_v.2
*blep*
628Owltherian
*cries in vape detector went off but i wasn't vaping*
629Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
*Raises eyebrow* You Sure?
630Owltherian
YES. I have nothing on me that could have caused smoke or anything!
632Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
633Owltherian
*gasp* how dare you question my crying habit
634Owltherian
I SWEAR MY FRIENDS WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT A GIRL I TOLD THEM TO NOT MENTION FOR A WHOLE GOD DANG WEEK
636Owltherian
JUST OMFG SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT HER RAHHHHHHHH /IRL
637Arson_lover_v.2
*blep*
638Owltherian
ALL MY FRIENDS IRL ARE HERS I HAVE NO FRIENDS FOR MYSELF
640Arson_lover_v.2
hoi!!
643Sxkurablossom
GUESS WHO JUST GOT THEIR PHONE STOLEN AND HAS NO CLUE WHO HAS IT OR WHAT TO DO!!!
644Sxkurablossom
THEY TURNED IT OFF SO WE CANT TRACK IT EITHER
645Owltherian
Oh nurrrrrr
647sillygooberness
Born to yap forced to math
648Owltherian
I cant breathe-
649ST4RRFL3SH
Idk if anyone can really help me on this but I need to tone it down w the guy I'm seeing but it's SO hard. He's a hyper yknow meanwhile I'm horribly touch starved and let's just say we like to think outside the box ☠️ we like to kinda yease eacother but that just makes things worse and while I do enojy every second and tbh I don't want it to stop I know it's the mature thing to do because it's gonna make it really bad when we stop talking because let's be honest hs relationships usually last like a year and a half usually, and I don't think this will go on much longer. But he's sooo fine and we really get eachother so like 😭😭😭
650Kwitty.G0re
Hiya Guys i'm Xai/Xai Xai
651Owltherian
Hello.
653Owltherian
I need help picking strengths and weaknesses for my oc named Birdie
654Kwitty.G0re
Oooooooh ur an owl therian i'm a therian too
655Owltherian
mhm, im a little owl, chantilly tiffany, & japanese wolf therian
656Kwitty.G0re
>653 Owltherian: Thats so kewwwwwllllll :3
657Owltherian
Thanks!
658Kwitty.G0re
>655 Owltherian: ooooooh i'm a bunny,wolf,cat(norweign forest cat),dog,sheep/lamb,sea otter,red panda.
659Kwitty.G0re
>657 Owltherian: Np i was hecka bored so i joined this
660Owltherian
Lol, i went looking for roleplays lol
661Kwitty.G0re
>660 Owltherian: i lowkey just wanted to rp/find ppl with similar interests
662Owltherian
*gasp* There is a group called Any RP and we rp there although there is one rlly rude person i will not say the name of.
663Kwitty.G0re
ooooop i wanna join ngl i love rps
664Owltherian
Cool! I have a bunch of rp ideas that idk what to do with lol
665Kwitty.G0re
REALLLLLLL
666sillygooberness
I no no wanna school :c
667Sxkurablossom
who does T^T
668sillygooberness
I’m tired cuz I was talking with my friends all night lol
669Sxkurablossom
I was rereading TGCF😭
670Owltherian
Im busy in class & honestly dont care what wOlFiE says anymore
671Sxkurablossom
>670 Owltherian: I do >:(
672Owltherian
I'm honestly done with whatever she calls me anymore- I'm not gonna listen
674Owltherian
Haii
675Snapped_Fingers9
999 members y'all 🥳
676Owltherian
Wow- thats crazy
677Owltherian
Does anyone wanna rp?
680Arson_lover_v.2
>678 1hope: whats wrong with therians hmm??
681Owltherian
Nah, its not them.
682Owltherian
Also, Viv the group i made is on my PF
685Owltherian
>684 1hope: *sigh*
Some therians believe they have more than one theriotype, and are called polytherians, this used to be somewhat uncommon and often looked upon with heavy scrutiny from the community, but more recently polytherians are growing in number (sometimes due to confusion over cameo shifts) and are welcomed more than in the community
Some therians believe they have more than one theriotype, and are called polytherians, this used to be somewhat uncommon and often looked upon with heavy scrutiny from the community, but more recently polytherians are growing in number (sometimes due to confusion over cameo shifts) and are welcomed more than in the community
686Arson_lover_v.2
>684 1hope: well let Owl explain :>
687Owltherian
What is a therian?
“Therian” is short for “therianthrope”. It means a person who identifies integrally as a nonhuman being, such as a wolf, polar bear, or even earthworm. While the two communities historically emerged separately, it has a lot of overlap with the “otherkin” community, which includes any individual that identifies as nonhuman (e.g. as an elf, dragon, or even fictional character).
Do you mean like a furry?
Close, but not quite! Furry is a fandom, just like any other. It includes anyone that enjoys the art of anthropomorphic animals. Some furries might dress up in costumes or attend gatherings, just as some readers of this blog may have painted their face for a sports event, or worn cosplay for a convention. Of course, there is overlap- a community where self-expression as an animal is welcomed will attract people who identify as nonhuman, but most furries identify as fully human.
Is this healthy?
Generally speaking, yes! Nonhuman identity, like other facets of identity, tends to go through a developmental period (usually in adolescence) and stay stable throughout the lifespan. Some research suggests a possible overlap with other forms of neurodiversity, but the identity itself is not inherently pathological. Most clinical and sociological research on therian and otherkin communities agrees: this is best approached as diversity, not deficit. Someone can have a rich, well-adjusted life while still identifying as a bear or kobold.
“Therian” is short for “therianthrope”. It means a person who identifies integrally as a nonhuman being, such as a wolf, polar bear, or even earthworm. While the two communities historically emerged separately, it has a lot of overlap with the “otherkin” community, which includes any individual that identifies as nonhuman (e.g. as an elf, dragon, or even fictional character).
Do you mean like a furry?
Close, but not quite! Furry is a fandom, just like any other. It includes anyone that enjoys the art of anthropomorphic animals. Some furries might dress up in costumes or attend gatherings, just as some readers of this blog may have painted their face for a sports event, or worn cosplay for a convention. Of course, there is overlap- a community where self-expression as an animal is welcomed will attract people who identify as nonhuman, but most furries identify as fully human.
Is this healthy?
Generally speaking, yes! Nonhuman identity, like other facets of identity, tends to go through a developmental period (usually in adolescence) and stay stable throughout the lifespan. Some research suggests a possible overlap with other forms of neurodiversity, but the identity itself is not inherently pathological. Most clinical and sociological research on therian and otherkin communities agrees: this is best approached as diversity, not deficit. Someone can have a rich, well-adjusted life while still identifying as a bear or kobold.
688sillygooberness
I love books
689Arson_lover_v.2
same
691Snapped_Fingers9
>690 1hope: "for now"?
693Owltherian
*vibes in has a bunch of missing work i need to get done*
696Snapped_Fingers9
Owltherian, idk why but you're name makes me sick
697Owltherian
>696 Snapped_Fingers9: Uhhh- why does it make you sick?
700Snapped_Fingers9
i don't know, thats the problem. There are some things that just give me a headache like chocolate frogs, and your name and a bunch of other things
701Snapped_Fingers9
>694 1hope: im kinda curious 😑
702Arson_lover_v.2
umm guys my dad says imma be a marine cause i used to eat crayons >:
704Owltherian
Wow- and honestly i prob could have added a space
706Arson_lover_v.2
eww i got a raisin cookie
708Arson_lover_v.2
how?
711Owltherian
>706 Arson_lover_v.2: Yuckkkkkk
712Sxkurablossom
did kat leave officially?
715Sxkurablossom
oh again?
btw whats your opinion on them?
btw whats your opinion on them?
717Owltherian
>716 1hope: What the hell-
718Snapped_Fingers9
idk why but this site https://yt1s.mobi/convert keeps getting blocked but then it unblock itself by the next day 😂
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