The Read goes ever on and on...MrsLee 2024 chapter 2
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1MrsLee
Second quarter, new thread. I am not reading fast at all, putzing along but enjoying what I read. I am off of fiction, not sure why. Perhaps I don't want to commit to other worlds at the moment and need to stick with the familiar.
I pulled Jennie: the Life of Lady Randolf Churchill - the Romantic Years 1854-1895 by Ralph G. Martin, off the shelf to read. It is a two volume set and for some reason I had thought Winston S. Churchill wrote it. Anyway, if I don't care for it, I can get a nice block of space on my shelf. At the moment I am enjoying it though.
I pulled Jennie: the Life of Lady Randolf Churchill - the Romantic Years 1854-1895 by Ralph G. Martin, off the shelf to read. It is a two volume set and for some reason I had thought Winston S. Churchill wrote it. Anyway, if I don't care for it, I can get a nice block of space on my shelf. At the moment I am enjoying it though.
2haydninvienna
Happy new thread!
6Alexandra_book_life
Happy new thread!
10fuzzi
>1 MrsLee: my mother loved those books.
11MrsLee
>10 fuzzi: I am finding the first volume engaging. Lots of insight into the upper classes of 1850-1890s, and how some of the world's events affected them.
12MrsLee
My book on Lady Randolf Churchill is still engaging. They are a set of people I can have little understanding of, so far are they out of my ken and sphere. The author is incorporating some of the events around them of the "common" folk, so that helps me.
I have a question for those who are better trained in literature than I. There are copious footnotes in this book, but at the end of the book, listed by chapter. Many are references of sources, which I understand and agree that they should be where they are and not interrupt the flow; but others are quite interesting tidbits and it is rather a pain to flip back and forth in the book, keeping ones place with 2 bookmarks. Why do they do that? Why not either incorporate them into the writing where they belong, or put the footnote at the bottom of the page? Curious mind.
I have a question for those who are better trained in literature than I. There are copious footnotes in this book, but at the end of the book, listed by chapter. Many are references of sources, which I understand and agree that they should be where they are and not interrupt the flow; but others are quite interesting tidbits and it is rather a pain to flip back and forth in the book, keeping ones place with 2 bookmarks. Why do they do that? Why not either incorporate them into the writing where they belong, or put the footnote at the bottom of the page? Curious mind.
13hfglen
>12 MrsLee: Hear, hear! It may be that the publisher's software only allows EITHER endnotes OR footnotes but not both. AFAIK Word is like that.
14MrsLee
>13 hfglen: I didn't think of something as simple as that. Nefarious software!
15jillmwo
>11 MrsLee: and >13 hfglen: Okay, there are a couple of things to consider here. Hugh is correct that it could be due to constraints of software, but there are number of possibilities. Just as a general rule, biographies tend (as you note) to have copious footnotes. As a general convention, footnotes are shown on a page in a smaller font than that used for the actual text. Under such circumstances, it may be more cost-effective to put ALL the notes in their own separate section just to save on the number of printed pages in a volume. (Paper costs money). If this is an older book, it may also have been handled that way for purposes of production workflow. (Back when book publishers had lots of staff, the work may have been split across two different individuals.)
How is the numbering of footnotes handled? Do the notes for each chapter begin with the numeral 1? Or are the footnotes numbered consecutively, regardless of chapter? That too may be a decision made on the basis of workflow. (I can't recall for the moment what I was looking at the other day, but I clicked on footnote #244.) That too may have been a decision based on available pages and paper stock. (You don't have to allow for spacing around subheads for each chapter.)
Nowadays, I am seeing publishers work around the footnote issue in other ways. There are the sections where we put explanatory notes and cited references and then a separate section where we list all the works cited by the author. (I haven't figured out what the rationale behind this might be. I have seen it in university press output most frequently, but that may or may not be relevant to the decision to do so.)
Remember that publishers when they initially agree to take on a book, may have already planned their budgets around how many pages they estimate the book will have and what it will then cost to bring the book to market. Any changes in the marketplace (a paper mill shuts down or a printer gets subsumed into another larger corporate entity) may wreck their plan.
Of course, back in the Golden Age of Publishing (pre-1980s), each house had its own style of handling these kinds of things. Penguin might do one thing while Little, Brown might do it another way...
Your question deserves a much better answer than I've given here. I'm just speaking in a very general way about the various elements that have to be factored in when a general publisher is working out how the book will be designed. (Legal publishing works along an ENTIRELY different set of conventions.) It feels shabby to say outloud in some respects, but it all comes down to money and what we think the audience may be expecting.
Have I just muddied the waters for you? Or does this help at all?
How is the numbering of footnotes handled? Do the notes for each chapter begin with the numeral 1? Or are the footnotes numbered consecutively, regardless of chapter? That too may be a decision made on the basis of workflow. (I can't recall for the moment what I was looking at the other day, but I clicked on footnote #244.) That too may have been a decision based on available pages and paper stock. (You don't have to allow for spacing around subheads for each chapter.)
Nowadays, I am seeing publishers work around the footnote issue in other ways. There are the sections where we put explanatory notes and cited references and then a separate section where we list all the works cited by the author. (I haven't figured out what the rationale behind this might be. I have seen it in university press output most frequently, but that may or may not be relevant to the decision to do so.)
Remember that publishers when they initially agree to take on a book, may have already planned their budgets around how many pages they estimate the book will have and what it will then cost to bring the book to market. Any changes in the marketplace (a paper mill shuts down or a printer gets subsumed into another larger corporate entity) may wreck their plan.
Of course, back in the Golden Age of Publishing (pre-1980s), each house had its own style of handling these kinds of things. Penguin might do one thing while Little, Brown might do it another way...
Your question deserves a much better answer than I've given here. I'm just speaking in a very general way about the various elements that have to be factored in when a general publisher is working out how the book will be designed. (Legal publishing works along an ENTIRELY different set of conventions.) It feels shabby to say outloud in some respects, but it all comes down to money and what we think the audience may be expecting.
Have I just muddied the waters for you? Or does this help at all?
16pgmcc
>15 jillmwo:
Apropos costs and budgets, I read a quote today in The Leaky Establishment which strikes me as relevant to the topic of publishing budgets and their impact on the practical realities of operations.
David Langford's book is a satirical novel about the British nuclear arms industry, and in it the scientists are always complaining about the way bureaucracy tends to focus on the wrong things which leads to processes such as the monthly check that an individual is still in possession of their now obsolete calculator that was issued to them on their first day joining the establishment, which could be fifteen years ago. The quote that struck me as pertinent was:
"It is not possible to get men whose time is measured in money interested in an atom."
I have discovered in my working life that many of the "Key Performance Indicators" (KPIs) carefully recorded and reported to the higher echelons of management, and even to government, are often the things that are easy to measure rather than things that have any real relevance to the reality of the organisation's performance.
What the customer, or the reader in this case, wants is often not considered.
Apropos costs and budgets, I read a quote today in The Leaky Establishment which strikes me as relevant to the topic of publishing budgets and their impact on the practical realities of operations.
David Langford's book is a satirical novel about the British nuclear arms industry, and in it the scientists are always complaining about the way bureaucracy tends to focus on the wrong things which leads to processes such as the monthly check that an individual is still in possession of their now obsolete calculator that was issued to them on their first day joining the establishment, which could be fifteen years ago. The quote that struck me as pertinent was:
"It is not possible to get men whose time is measured in money interested in an atom."
I have discovered in my working life that many of the "Key Performance Indicators" (KPIs) carefully recorded and reported to the higher echelons of management, and even to government, are often the things that are easy to measure rather than things that have any real relevance to the reality of the organisation's performance.
What the customer, or the reader in this case, wants is often not considered.
17Karlstar
>16 pgmcc: Language!!
18MrsLee
>15 jillmwo: Since this was published in 1969, I suspect your reasons are closer to the truth of the matter for this book. It seems a well made book to me. Nice space on the page, thick pages, etc. I do understand the publisher's point of view, and I suppose the author really wanted to get all the things he worked so hard to learn into the book that he couldn't help but add bits of information that may have made the prose awkward or too lengthy.
>16 pgmcc: I imagine that is the woe of just about any person trying to accomplish something big if they depend on others for the funding. I certainly ran across it in my tiny spare of the workplace. Had to learn to phrase any improvements I wanted in money positive ways.
>16 pgmcc: I imagine that is the woe of just about any person trying to accomplish something big if they depend on others for the funding. I certainly ran across it in my tiny spare of the workplace. Had to learn to phrase any improvements I wanted in money positive ways.
19Sakerfalcon
>1 MrsLee: Belated wishes for a happy new thread! I hope you continue to enjoy your reading.
20MrsLee
Finished volume one of Jennie the Life of Lady Randolf Churchill, moving on to volume two. At the end of volume one I was musing one my admiration for authors who take on a project like this. The research required, what they choose to include or exclude, how they avoid the many rabbit trails that must tempt them as they research. The dedication of volume two is to his wife who he claims was responsible for the lion's share of the research, proofreading and editing.
Thoughts on volume one. I will never be able to fully understand the people that are featured in the book. The motivations and actions are completely out of my Ken and circle. British politics are as clear to me as the rules of Cricket. Not at all. I don't understand from reading this why Lord Randolf Churchill was a great or notorious statesman. Perhaps that is due the author's bias?
I also do not understand how his wife, Jennie, had time or energy to do anything except jump from one bed to another if she truly had as many affairs as the author insinuates. Not sure if he is simply grinding the rumor mill, much of it does not seem provable. That aside, I have enjoyed the book enough to read the second volume because it describes the times and people so well.
It mentions that her father, in the last weeks of his life, confined to bed, survived on champagne and oysters. Bucket list.
Thoughts on volume one. I will never be able to fully understand the people that are featured in the book. The motivations and actions are completely out of my Ken and circle. British politics are as clear to me as the rules of Cricket. Not at all. I don't understand from reading this why Lord Randolf Churchill was a great or notorious statesman. Perhaps that is due the author's bias?
I also do not understand how his wife, Jennie, had time or energy to do anything except jump from one bed to another if she truly had as many affairs as the author insinuates. Not sure if he is simply grinding the rumor mill, much of it does not seem provable. That aside, I have enjoyed the book enough to read the second volume because it describes the times and people so well.
It mentions that her father, in the last weeks of his life, confined to bed, survived on champagne and oysters. Bucket list.
21clamairy
>20 MrsLee: Oh my! Champagne and Oysters! I think I'll do this for Mother's Day and not wait...
I'm so glad you're reading easily again.
I'm so glad you're reading easily again.
22MrsLee
>21 clamairy: Probably good to practice a few times so we get it right on our deathbed. ;) I would join you on Mother's Day except for the revolt my liver is practicing at the moment.
232wonderY
>22 MrsLee: How would raspberries and dark chocolate suit your liver? Asking for a friend.
24MrsLee
>23 2wonderY: I think those are on the approved list! Now if I could find some non-alcoholic sparkling beverage similar to champagne (I'm allergic to the apple coder stuff, andit'stoo sweet), I would be set. Think I can have the oysters, too.
25jillmwo
>20 MrsLee: Quick clarification. There were multiple Randolph Churchills. There was the one married to Jennie Jerome (Winston's mother) and (theoretically, at least) Winston's father. Winston's father had "issues" of a variety of sorts but rose to became a successful politician and ultimately a member of the Cabinet. Jennie was a tremendous asset to his political career, greasing the wheels with her American charm when he needed it. Randolph was relatively competent but not a healthy man -- whether due to contracting syphilis or due to mercury poisoning. (Some sources say he had MS rather than syphilis but modern assessments still attribute his death to mercury poisoning.) He died at the relatively young age of 46 and Winston Churchill, as a loving son, wrote what I believe was more of a heroic biography of him rather than an entirely accurate one. (Note that I am writing this somewhat off-the-cuff so the above details may not be entirely accurate. But he was not exactly the high-minded and chivalrous aristocratic gentleman one might wish to believe in.)
The second Randolph Churchill was Jennie Jerome's grandchild (Winston's son). His success in life in many ways relied on his father's reputation.
I have not read the biography that you're reading, but twenty-years back I did read a biography of Jennie Jerome and her two sisters entitled The Titled Americans. The three sisters were jointly characterized in society as "the Good, the Beautiful and the Witty". While making brilliant marriages, none of the three women had happy endings. I can't now recall which of the three became royal mistresses, but two of them did.
The second Randolph Churchill was Jennie Jerome's grandchild (Winston's son). His success in life in many ways relied on his father's reputation.
I have not read the biography that you're reading, but twenty-years back I did read a biography of Jennie Jerome and her two sisters entitled The Titled Americans. The three sisters were jointly characterized in society as "the Good, the Beautiful and the Witty". While making brilliant marriages, none of the three women had happy endings. I can't now recall which of the three became royal mistresses, but two of them did.
26MrsLee
>25 jillmwo: Yes, all of that was covered in the book I finished. What I could not suss out, and haven't taken the time yet to try, was why Randolf, the husband of Jennie, was considered a political success. The author Ralph G. Martin, focused on his failings in politics and did not explain why he was so popular in his six active years, or what actions of his made people think he was Prime Minister material.
I will probably try to Google or Wikipedia this, not willing to invest the time needed to read more than that. It is past history, interesting in a distant way.
I will probably try to Google or Wikipedia this, not willing to invest the time needed to read more than that. It is past history, interesting in a distant way.
27fuzzi
>23 2wonderY: oh my...I'm all for those two items.
282wonderY
>25 jillmwo: I see the Winston Churchill page needs some clean up. I’ve read some of the titles by (2).
29jillmwo
>26 MrsLee: Honestly, I may have misread the original post. I thought the problem was that the reputations of the two gentlemen might have gotten muddled together as you dipped into different sources. (Quite honestly I don't know enough about Lord Randolph Churchill to speak to your concern and under such circumstances, I probably should have kept quiet and lurked with some aura of dignified silence.)
30MrsLee
>29 jillmwo: *snort* Dignified silence is highly overrated my friend. I did do some very superficial reading this morning on Lord Randolf Churchill and came to the conclusion that my knowledge of English politics and politics in general is probably most of the culprit to my understanding. I'm ok with that. I don't feel the need to understand everything everywhere anymore. Knowing that there are mysterious things beyond my ways is humbling and good.
On the personal front. Both of my brothers are in hospital right now.
Older brother had an extensive abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago to remove cancer which had spread much further than the doctor was expecting. He is not mending well.
My younger (six years my senior) brother was medivaced to hospital Sunday night with severe respiratory distress. His wife only let family know this morning, she wanted to wait until she had good news to tell.
On the personal front. Both of my brothers are in hospital right now.
Older brother had an extensive abdominal surgery 2 weeks ago to remove cancer which had spread much further than the doctor was expecting. He is not mending well.
My younger (six years my senior) brother was medivaced to hospital Sunday night with severe respiratory distress. His wife only let family know this morning, she wanted to wait until she had good news to tell.
31clamairy
>30 MrsLee: Oh no. I am so sorry to hear this. Holding my thumbs for all three of you now.
32pgmcc
>30 MrsLee:
I am so sorry to hear about your brothers' illnesses. Hugs from across the ocean.
I am so sorry to hear about your brothers' illnesses. Hugs from across the ocean.
33Bookmarque
OMG I'm so sorry you're all going through the wringer.
34haydninvienna
>30 MrsLee: What Peter said. You really are doing it tough. Best for you and your brothers from over here.
36MrsLee
Thank you for the support friends. I feel it. I also feel pretty useless. Sigh. There is nothing concrete I am able to do at this time to make anything better or lesson anyone's burden. Not been in this position before and it grates.
37Narilka
>30 MrsLee: Oh no :( I hope your family pulls through and everyone recovers quickly.
38Alexandra_book_life
>30 MrsLee: Oh, no. I am so sorry. I wish everyone a good recovery. Thinking of you and your family!
39Sakerfalcon
Oh no, I'm really sorry to hear the bad news. Sending healing wishes to you all.
40jillmwo
>30 MrsLee:. No words. Just virtual hugs and a hope that life will calm down for you in the coming weeks. It's a hard period for everyone in your family, I know.
41littlegeek
More hugs.
43MrsLee
Thank you everyone. 😊
Some good news! One brother is home now. He isn't out of the woods yet, but then he has been in them for over 40 years with his health. Other brother was some better this morning, able to drink coffee. First time in a week. Haven't heard more than that.
I took out my frustration of ineffectiveness by cooking today. Plan to send a loving hands at home goodie box to my niece. She can tell my brother about it since he can't eat. I call it motivation for him.
Made Parmesan-onion salt crackers, spiced pecans, Apricot Pop Tarts, Crisp Coconut Cookies topped with chocolate. For our lunch I made pizza. I think it was the massive Prednisone dose I am on that funded the energy, because I am done in now.
Some good news! One brother is home now. He isn't out of the woods yet, but then he has been in them for over 40 years with his health. Other brother was some better this morning, able to drink coffee. First time in a week. Haven't heard more than that.
I took out my frustration of ineffectiveness by cooking today. Plan to send a loving hands at home goodie box to my niece. She can tell my brother about it since he can't eat. I call it motivation for him.
Made Parmesan-onion salt crackers, spiced pecans, Apricot Pop Tarts, Crisp Coconut Cookies topped with chocolate. For our lunch I made pizza. I think it was the massive Prednisone dose I am on that funded the energy, because I am done in now.
44Karlstar
>43 MrsLee: Good news! I hope they continue to progress, as much as they are able.
That's a lot of cooking, sounds great! Very generous of you to spend your energy in such a way.
That's a lot of cooking, sounds great! Very generous of you to spend your energy in such a way.
45Alexandra_book_life
>43 MrsLee: That's wonderful news!
Your cooking sounds very impressive :)
Your cooking sounds very impressive :)
46clamairy
>43 MrsLee: That's great news. And I'm impressed by the amount and variety that you cooked! You made that all in one day? Prednisone can only do so much, the rest of that was all you.
47pgmcc
>43 MrsLee:
I have always been impressed by your productivity in the kitchen.
I have always been impressed by your productivity in the kitchen.
48jillmwo
>43 MrsLee:. You're amazing! Good news should make all of us as active and productive in that fashion! But now I insist that you go sit down and rest. Read a good book to distract yourself.
49NorthernStar
>30 MrsLee: Wishing all the best for your brothers. I'm impressed by your productivity.
50catzteach
I hope both your brothers continue to heal. All those goodies sound so delicious! What a nice gift.
51MrsLee
Last night I couldn't sleep more than 4 hours. Dragging today.
Also today:
My nephew and family stopped for a short visit this morning.
My sister and her husband are coming to visit and bring Chinese food for dinner this evening.
I went for my weekly blood labs, then we did a mercy errand for a friend who broke her wrist earlier this week.
I need a nap.
Got the word that my brother is back in surgery this afternoon. Surgeon is confident that his kidneys and lungs can take it. I really hate this. He has always been a strong man, my big brother who watches over the family. Hoping his strength and determination will carry him through.
ETA: Brother out of surgery, it went well.
Also today:
My nephew and family stopped for a short visit this morning.
My sister and her husband are coming to visit and bring Chinese food for dinner this evening.
I went for my weekly blood labs, then we did a mercy errand for a friend who broke her wrist earlier this week.
I need a nap.
Got the word that my brother is back in surgery this afternoon. Surgeon is confident that his kidneys and lungs can take it. I really hate this. He has always been a strong man, my big brother who watches over the family. Hoping his strength and determination will carry him through.
ETA: Brother out of surgery, it went well.
52pgmcc
>51 MrsLee:
Glad to hear it went well.
Glad to hear it went well.
53jillmwo
>51 MrsLee:. So glad he made it out of surgery without issue. You're able to breathe now.
54Bookmarque
Phew! Big sigh of relief!
55clamairy
>51 MrsLee: You must be so relieved! Hang in there, Lee. And try to get some sleep.
56Alexandra_book_life
>51 MrsLee: I am glad it went well. I hope you will get some sleep today. Hugs!
58MrsLee
>57 MrAndrew: Just be careful when chopping, it gives you the shakes!
59clamairy
>57 MrAndrew: & >58 MrsLee: Uh oh. My cat has been on a maintenance dose of prednisolone for years. No shakes, but I seldom let her work in the kitchen.
60pgmcc
>59 clamairy: “Chop-Cat”
61catzteach
Glad your brother made it out of surgery ok. I hope you are able to rest some today. ((Hugs))
62MrsLee
>59 clamairy: LOL
>61 catzteach: No rest for the wicked. I was able to close my eyes, but never got to the sound sleep stage. Very weird for me because I've always been a good sleeper.
I'm watching an old TV series from 1958 - 1961, Peter Gunn. A noir detective series. Fascinating in many ways such as the jazz music, beatniks, artists, and nonconforming people who Gunn meets with and accepts without a blink of the eye. Some of it is pure corn whether they meant it or not, but it's fun to watch. Tonight's episode had a middle-aged spinster as the murderess, weilding Molotov cocktails and jimmying cars. Peter asked her where she got the skills. Her answer, in a timid and somewhat deranged tone of voice, "Mr. Gunn, I've spent my whole life reading." Bwahahaha! Great to have a laugh now and then.
>61 catzteach: No rest for the wicked. I was able to close my eyes, but never got to the sound sleep stage. Very weird for me because I've always been a good sleeper.
I'm watching an old TV series from 1958 - 1961, Peter Gunn. A noir detective series. Fascinating in many ways such as the jazz music, beatniks, artists, and nonconforming people who Gunn meets with and accepts without a blink of the eye. Some of it is pure corn whether they meant it or not, but it's fun to watch. Tonight's episode had a middle-aged spinster as the murderess, weilding Molotov cocktails and jimmying cars. Peter asked her where she got the skills. Her answer, in a timid and somewhat deranged tone of voice, "Mr. Gunn, I've spent my whole life reading." Bwahahaha! Great to have a laugh now and then.
63Alexandra_book_life
>62 MrsLee: Readers are dangerous people! They learn things :)))
64pgmcc
>62 MrsLee: I love the Peter Gunn theme music but have never managed to see an episode.
65haydninvienna
>63 Alexandra_book_life: Like the episode of Doctor Who where they are trapped in a library and someone complains that they have no weapons, to which the Doctor exclaims "No weapons? But we are in a library!"
66Alexandra_book_life
>65 haydninvienna: Exactly!
67MrsLee
>64 pgmcc: It is included in my Amazon Prime account. Not sure if that is so internationally. I think you would enjoy it.
68pgmcc
>67 MrsLee:
I must try my Prime account.
ETA: It is available...to buy. Not included in my Prime subscription. Grrrrr!
I must try my Prime account.
ETA: It is available...to buy. Not included in my Prime subscription. Grrrrr!
69catzteach
>62 MrsLee: My dad had the Peter Gunn soundtrack album. I grew up listening to it. I think I kept it from his collection of records when he passed. I don’t believe I’ve ever watched an episode, though.
70MrsLee
>68 pgmcc: Rats!
>69 catzteach: The theme song was very familiar to me, I thought it was from Mission Impossible or Get Smart or something. It was used in The Blues Brothers, so I think that's where I remembered it from.
One of the things which is greatly amusing me are the closed caption descriptions of the jazz music playing. We have Snappy Jazz, Suspenseful Jazz, Driving Jazz, Plucky Banjo (it was a bass, no banjos have been heard in ANY of the music), Cheerful Jazz, Spy Jazz, and on and on. Very rarely do they repeat a description.
>69 catzteach: The theme song was very familiar to me, I thought it was from Mission Impossible or Get Smart or something. It was used in The Blues Brothers, so I think that's where I remembered it from.
One of the things which is greatly amusing me are the closed caption descriptions of the jazz music playing. We have Snappy Jazz, Suspenseful Jazz, Driving Jazz, Plucky Banjo (it was a bass, no banjos have been heard in ANY of the music), Cheerful Jazz, Spy Jazz, and on and on. Very rarely do they repeat a description.
71jillmwo
>70 MrsLee: I agree that the closed caption descriptions of musical soundtracks can be interesting. Watching Perry Mason, one tends to encounter "ominous music".
72clamairy
I just asked my Echo to play the music from Peter Gunn, and she's said it's by Henry Mancini! I love it.
73MrsLee
>71 jillmwo: Yes, I should have said that! One of the actors, Hershel Bernardi, was in Fiddler on the Roof on Broadway when Zero Mostel had health issues. I listened to his recording on YouTube. He also sang the songs for the Cowardly Lion in the movie of Wizard of Oz. He has a lovely voice.
74Sakerfalcon
Just catching up here after being away for the weekend. I'm so glad that you've had good news from your brothers. And I am so impressed at your cooking spree! I hope your sleep settles down soon.
75jillmwo
>73 MrsLee: There were two recent ones that made me snort. (1) The system showed the word rumours rather than the word "roomers", actually referring to the landlady's boarders in her house. (2) Air Loom rather than heirloom.
#1 I could understand because "roomers" is a term that has probably fallen out of use for most of us so the system defaulted to a more common usage.
The second one (#2) is understandable in some ways, but honestly, when I read the phrase "Air loom", my brain went first to "Air Jordans".
#1 I could understand because "roomers" is a term that has probably fallen out of use for most of us so the system defaulted to a more common usage.
The second one (#2) is understandable in some ways, but honestly, when I read the phrase "Air loom", my brain went first to "Air Jordans".
76MrsLee
>75 jillmwo: I use the captions because accents, music and sound levels can make it difficult to hear, but yes, there are some funny things that come up.
77MrsLee
Season 1, episode 32, of Peter Gunn, they are in a Chinese club named the Green Dragon. "The best club in China Town."
78pgmcc
>77 MrsLee:
Excellent!
Excellent!
79clamairy
>77 MrsLee: Were there any similarities at all between that pub and our virtual one?
80MrsLee
>79 clamairy: Hmm, let's see. There was a dragon dancing with a lady on the stage, performing a legendary song wherein a dragon tries to eat a queen but she stops it with a magic fan. Then there was a fight in the basement over the fan. Have we had any fights in our basement lately?
81Marissa_Doyle
>80 MrsLee: Hmm. Has anyone checked on the Roombas lately?
82Karlstar
I'm catching up as well, I only had the Chromebook and a really slow wifi connection over the weekend.
Glad to hear your brother's surgery went well, I hope he has continued to mend.
No fights lately, not sure about Roomba vs. cat status.
Glad to hear your brother's surgery went well, I hope he has continued to mend.
No fights lately, not sure about Roomba vs. cat status.
83MrsLee
>81 Marissa_Doyle: & >82 Karlstar: At least when the Roombas rumble they clean up afterwards.
I managed to finish Yanomamo by Napoleon A. Chagnon. Published as a text for college courses, it was not what I would call an entertaining read, but was interesting. Sad, poignant, inevitable are words that come to my mind when thinking about the dilemmas faced by the tribal peoples who are left in the world. What are the answers? I'm not sure, and I'm not sure it matters, because the greed of civilization will win out. Sorry. That's how it is whether it is right or wrong. Meh, enough, and too easy to devolve into politics, so I move on.
The author, Chagnon, was a controversial figure. His views clashed with those of the anthropologists of his generation in that he did not look at the tribal peoples through rose-colored glasses. He portrayed them as they were/are, not as Nobel Savages. They kill infants who are born while the mother is still nursing a child. The men think nothing of group raping women from other tribes and beating or killing their own women. They go on raids to other tribes to kill for revenge and to steal women. Chagnon didn't seem to be judging these behaviors, only reporting them. Anyway, as I say, it was interesting and left me with no answers, but a lot of pondering.
From the random shelf pull (asked husband to give me a number between 1 and 15, and a letter, the letter was the shelf, the number was the book), my next read is Relic by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child. This is one of the books inherited from a friend back in the 1990s. I see that I have read two other books by these authors and given them 3 stars, but I have no memories of the stories. We shall see.
I managed to finish Yanomamo by Napoleon A. Chagnon. Published as a text for college courses, it was not what I would call an entertaining read, but was interesting. Sad, poignant, inevitable are words that come to my mind when thinking about the dilemmas faced by the tribal peoples who are left in the world. What are the answers? I'm not sure, and I'm not sure it matters, because the greed of civilization will win out. Sorry. That's how it is whether it is right or wrong. Meh, enough, and too easy to devolve into politics, so I move on.
The author, Chagnon, was a controversial figure. His views clashed with those of the anthropologists of his generation in that he did not look at the tribal peoples through rose-colored glasses. He portrayed them as they were/are, not as Nobel Savages. They kill infants who are born while the mother is still nursing a child. The men think nothing of group raping women from other tribes and beating or killing their own women. They go on raids to other tribes to kill for revenge and to steal women. Chagnon didn't seem to be judging these behaviors, only reporting them. Anyway, as I say, it was interesting and left me with no answers, but a lot of pondering.
From the random shelf pull (asked husband to give me a number between 1 and 15, and a letter, the letter was the shelf, the number was the book), my next read is Relic by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child. This is one of the books inherited from a friend back in the 1990s. I see that I have read two other books by these authors and given them 3 stars, but I have no memories of the stories. We shall see.
84jillmwo
>83 MrsLee: "From the random shelf pull (asked husband to give me a number between 1 and 15, and a letter, the letter was the shelf, the number was the book), my next read is..." What a creative way of deciding what's next! Have you been using that method for a long time?
85MrsLee
>84 jillmwo: Yes, either that or a variation of it. Because I'm trying to read the books on my shelves, I don't always know what to read next. The books are no help at all because when I look at them they all call out, "Read me!" "Read me!" I can't ask my husband to go pick one because inevitably it will be the last book on my shelf I want to read. Not that he does it on purpose; we are polar opposites in our reading tastes most of the time.
86MrsLee
I have begun typing up my grandmother's journals of her trips, and letters to family. I will probably add any appropriate diary entries I find as well. She was a haphazard diary keeper, and mostly just the day to day notes, not details, but now and then there are interesting things in there.
I have no idea what this will become. Will most likely print it at some point. I have so many photographs to go with the trips, if I can properly sort and identify them. I also want to add some photos/screenshots of maps of the areas they explored. At the moment it is just a lot of typing while I can't sleep due to the prednisone effect.
Relic is a fast action adventure. So far the authors have killed both children and dogs. Where can you go from there? Well, they kill someone in almost every chapter, but no one you really care about yet, except the children and dogs, and even they didn't get enough play to make you care much. I don't mind, don't think I could read it if I was emotionally invested.
I have no idea what this will become. Will most likely print it at some point. I have so many photographs to go with the trips, if I can properly sort and identify them. I also want to add some photos/screenshots of maps of the areas they explored. At the moment it is just a lot of typing while I can't sleep due to the prednisone effect.
Relic is a fast action adventure. So far the authors have killed both children and dogs. Where can you go from there? Well, they kill someone in almost every chapter, but no one you really care about yet, except the children and dogs, and even they didn't get enough play to make you care much. I don't mind, don't think I could read it if I was emotionally invested.
87jillmwo
>86 MrsLee: What a fabulous prednisone project!! I have a friend in DC who did something similar with her family letters and diaries. (And include those photos just as a point of interest, however undated or misidentified they may be.)
And I can't think that I would ever enjoy a book where such deaths were the driver of the central action. (Bleck!)
And I can't think that I would ever enjoy a book where such deaths were the driver of the central action. (Bleck!)
88pgmcc
>86 MrsLee:
Your family history projects continue to leave me in awe. If I were American I would probably say they are awesome, but as I am not American I will say you are awesome.
Your family history projects continue to leave me in awe. If I were American I would probably say they are awesome, but as I am not American I will say you are awesome.
89clamairy
>86 MrsLee: That's a great project! Best of luck with it.
I don't think I could read the book you're reading right now.
I don't think I could read the book you're reading right now.
90MrsLee
Aww shucks. Thanks.
>89 clamairy: The mindlessness suits at the moment, but it does have some very interesting stuff about the Metropolitan Museum of Natural History in New York City. The spine is badly broken, it is an old paperback, and I am getting a certain amount of satisfaction tearing the pages off as I go.
>89 clamairy: The mindlessness suits at the moment, but it does have some very interesting stuff about the Metropolitan Museum of Natural History in New York City. The spine is badly broken, it is an old paperback, and I am getting a certain amount of satisfaction tearing the pages off as I go.
91MrsLee
Just a little of that reading serendipity that happens sometimes. The last book I finished was Yanomamo, and the book, Relic, that was picked randomly from the shelf by husband lottery, which I'm reading now, mentions and is originally set in the Yanomamo territory of Brazil. Weird. It's not like every book on my shelves is about these people. I didn't even know I had 2 that mentioned them.
92Bookmarque
That is funny. I hope you like Relic. It’s the start of a long series, but obviously works well as a standalone.
93MrsLee
>92 Bookmarque: Yeah, I won't be reading the series, but I liked it well enough to finish. I didn't find any of the characters memorable, just there to tell the story. I am a character driven reader. However, the premise of the story was interesting enough to keep me reading. I was really very sorry that the museum exhibition got messed up and never opened. I would have loved to have seen it! Yes, I know I never would have, but it made me sad for all the fictional people that never had the opportunity either. For those who haven't and won't read this, the museum planned an exhibition called, "Superstition." The exhibits were from around the world, both ancient and less ancient beliefs and customs surrounding death and what comes after. It was designed to be a spooky and titillating experience to draw in the public, but also give them food for thought and exposure.
Hey, a big old book of page-turning adventure and action and not even one kiss! That was refreshing to me.
Hey, a big old book of page-turning adventure and action and not even one kiss! That was refreshing to me.
95Karlstar
>86 MrsLee: Have fun with the journal project.
96MrsLee
Heads up, there is a cat centric treasure hunt going on here at LT in celebration of Tiny Cat's 8th birthday. I did a quick look and only answered 4 clues. But I did get 4!
The husband lottery (give me a primary color and a number between 80 &100, color was shelf, number 97 I added to get 16, the book location counting from the left) turned up a book I've been thinking I should try for years, and putting off for years because it's THICK! Thick never used to bother me. I loved fat books. Now they make me sigh.
It is a Jane Austen which I haven't read and recently I was thinking about reading one of the ones I have read to check my older adult reactions to her writing. *drumroll please* The book I shall read is Mansfield Park. I have chosen the appropriate bookmark (pressed flowers made by my daughter 25 years ago) and now all that remains is to crack it open.
On the personal health news, good news today, my liver is starting to behave better and I can start slowly tapering off of the Prednisone. This is very welcome to me because only sleeping 4 hours a night is for the birds.
The husband lottery (give me a primary color and a number between 80 &100, color was shelf, number 97 I added to get 16, the book location counting from the left) turned up a book I've been thinking I should try for years, and putting off for years because it's THICK! Thick never used to bother me. I loved fat books. Now they make me sigh.
It is a Jane Austen which I haven't read and recently I was thinking about reading one of the ones I have read to check my older adult reactions to her writing. *drumroll please* The book I shall read is Mansfield Park. I have chosen the appropriate bookmark (pressed flowers made by my daughter 25 years ago) and now all that remains is to crack it open.
On the personal health news, good news today, my liver is starting to behave better and I can start slowly tapering off of the Prednisone. This is very welcome to me because only sleeping 4 hours a night is for the birds.
97clamairy
>96 MrsLee: Oh, that is wonderful news! Congrats, and enjoy catching up on the sleep.
I hope you enjoy Mansfield Park. I suspect you're going to want to reach into the book and slap a few people around, like I did.
I hope you enjoy Mansfield Park. I suspect you're going to want to reach into the book and slap a few people around, like I did.
98pgmcc
>96 MrsLee:
Delighted to hear that news. I hope you get some decent nights’ sleep.
Delighted to hear that news. I hope you get some decent nights’ sleep.
99MrsLee
>97 clamairy: & >98 pgmcc: Zzzzzz. Won't happen right away I suspect. But there is hope!
>97 clamairy: That is a general reaction I have had when reading Jane Austen books. :D In the past (I read 4 of her best known novels in my 30s) I was annoyed with the superficiality of many of the characters. I now realize that they would not have been so annoying if a poor writer was writing them. Meaning, Austen knows how to express the rankling bits of personality with panache. Also, I have learned much of the history of that era since my first reading, and I suspect my frame of reference has changed a lot with my advancing crone-hood. I am worried that I won't have the patience now for the tale to build itself slowly as Austen does. I guess I'll find out!
>97 clamairy: That is a general reaction I have had when reading Jane Austen books. :D In the past (I read 4 of her best known novels in my 30s) I was annoyed with the superficiality of many of the characters. I now realize that they would not have been so annoying if a poor writer was writing them. Meaning, Austen knows how to express the rankling bits of personality with panache. Also, I have learned much of the history of that era since my first reading, and I suspect my frame of reference has changed a lot with my advancing crone-hood. I am worried that I won't have the patience now for the tale to build itself slowly as Austen does. I guess I'll find out!
100haydninvienna
>96 MrsLee: Fantastic! Sleep well.
101Alexandra_book_life
>96 MrsLee: This is wonderful news!
I hope you will enjoy Mansfield Park. It's excellent! (And so are all the other Austen novels. Did I mention that I was a fan? I might have...)
I hope you will enjoy Mansfield Park. It's excellent! (And so are all the other Austen novels. Did I mention that I was a fan? I might have...)
102MrAndrew
>96 MrsLee: hmmm sleeping 4 hours a night. Prednisone or cocaine?
103Karlstar
>96 MrsLee: Good news, glad to hear it! Thanks for the tip on the treasure hunt.
104MrsLee
>102 MrAndrew: My insurance pays for Prednisone. I'm too cheap to go the other route!
105Karlstar
>96 MrsLee: I'm at seven and had to get some hints to get the last 2, they took me to places in LT that I would never have gone otherwise. I think I'm just going to be stuck on the others.
106jillmwo
>96 MrsLee:. You may well find Mansfield Park a challenge (and therefore perhaps a good soporific), but I am sure you've heard me say more than one, it really is a great favorite of mine. I haven't yet approached the hunt. OTOH, I did begin my annual sorting through clothing before the seasonal shift and packing away.
And I'm glad the test results were showing positive results. Crossing fingers and holding you in my thoughts for continued good health.
And I'm glad the test results were showing positive results. Crossing fingers and holding you in my thoughts for continued good health.
107Narilka
>96 MrsLee: Great news :)
108MrsLee
>105 Karlstar: I need to try again when I'm on my laptop. Phone sucks for the hunt. I think I will try to come up with famous cats and poke around. See if I find some by accident. :p
>106 jillmwo: I am enjoying the author's wry way with descriptions of characters and their motives. Especially Mrs. Norris. Fanny leaves me a little cold. I'm not far in though. It is rather relaxing when I remember to look out the window and see what is passing instead of focusing on the destination. So far no wishful slapping has tempted me. I do remember your love of this book. It is much of the reason I kept it on my shelf as a book to get around to.
>106 jillmwo: I am enjoying the author's wry way with descriptions of characters and their motives. Especially Mrs. Norris. Fanny leaves me a little cold. I'm not far in though. It is rather relaxing when I remember to look out the window and see what is passing instead of focusing on the destination. So far no wishful slapping has tempted me. I do remember your love of this book. It is much of the reason I kept it on my shelf as a book to get around to.
109MrsLee
I am to chapter 16 in Mansfield Park, still enjoying the way the characters can say such pointed remarks with loads of meaning in such oblique ways. Many of the customs such as the weekend house parties and dramas enacted in the parlor type of things are happening in the biography of Lady Randolf Churchill nearly 100 years after Austen's time.
Medical news. Liver biopsy was done yesterday. Not nearly as traumatic as it had become in my head. The worst pain was when the doctor was marking with the cap of his pen, the spot he wanted to go in for the biopsy. The most tedious was waiting while my blood samples took a 2 hour field trip around the hospital before they found and processed them. The most unnerving thing was when I was rolled into the operating room and met the doctor; he looked at me and said, "So what are we doing today?" Um. WHAT?! I asked him what he thought he was doing, and what he said didn't coincide with what my doctor had said, so we decided to call my doctor. Half an hour later it was determined that I was correct and the procedure my doctor wanted was a piece of cake compared to what they thought he wanted, so everyone was happy, I got my Fentanyl (they said it would be like having a few martinis, which was great since I haven't had one of those since my liver started being stupid) and it was party time. So fast I couldn't believe they were done, although, I think my "martini" made me lose track of time a little. Slept 8 hours last night!
Medical news. Liver biopsy was done yesterday. Not nearly as traumatic as it had become in my head. The worst pain was when the doctor was marking with the cap of his pen, the spot he wanted to go in for the biopsy. The most tedious was waiting while my blood samples took a 2 hour field trip around the hospital before they found and processed them. The most unnerving thing was when I was rolled into the operating room and met the doctor; he looked at me and said, "So what are we doing today?" Um. WHAT?! I asked him what he thought he was doing, and what he said didn't coincide with what my doctor had said, so we decided to call my doctor. Half an hour later it was determined that I was correct and the procedure my doctor wanted was a piece of cake compared to what they thought he wanted, so everyone was happy, I got my Fentanyl (they said it would be like having a few martinis, which was great since I haven't had one of those since my liver started being stupid) and it was party time. So fast I couldn't believe they were done, although, I think my "martini" made me lose track of time a little. Slept 8 hours last night!
110MrsLee
>109 MrsLee: I must add that if Mrs. Norris were not so pathetic she would be contemptible. Yes, clamairy, there have been a couple of instances where I most definitely wanted to shake her, and one where a slap would not have gone amiss if it had not been so shocking to those around us. I like to think I would have a sharp reply for her, but chances are that I would simply take Fanny by the arm and go for a walk in the garden, or sit on a bench since she's such a wilting pansy, and ignore Mrs. Norris completely from then on.
111haydninvienna
>109 MrsLee: I think all of that was good news. (As you might remember, I'm facing an op some time soon, but I expect, having met the surgeon already, that he will know what he's supposed to be doing.) Careful with the fentanyl, that can be really bad stuff.
>110 MrsLee: You really do have a way of putting the things.
>110 MrsLee: You really do have a way of putting the things.
113clamairy
>109 MrsLee: I wanted to ask, but you were so quiet I was afraid to. I thought maybe it had been postponed or something. I'm so glad it was not traumatic, although the doctor not knowing what he was supposed to do would definitely have made me nervous if not downright panicky. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed that the results are satisfactory. Congrats on the eight hours of sleep!
>110 MrsLee: I like to think I would have had a witty quip, but I most likely would have called Mrs. Norris a string of profanities instead.
>110 MrsLee: I like to think I would have had a witty quip, but I most likely would have called Mrs. Norris a string of profanities instead.
1142wonderY
>109 MrsLee: So thankful that you are your own advocate! And glad the surgeon did ask before proceeding with what he thought was ordered.
115jillmwo
>109 MrsLee: Cheers for a happy outcome! You had it sufficiently together with regard to the medical procedure to make sure that the doctors coordinated on what needed to be done. That's fabulous and you are way ahead of the game now.
>110 MrsLee: And your assessment of Mrs Norris is really just too kind (and on one level, I would not expect anything less of you). But I'm more like clamairy in that I would be swearing at the troublemaker on any variety of occasions. Mrs Norris is a wicked, wicked character of the meanest kind and, even when Austen uses her in a humorous way, I just cannot find the words.
>110 MrsLee: And your assessment of Mrs Norris is really just too kind (and on one level, I would not expect anything less of you). But I'm more like clamairy in that I would be swearing at the troublemaker on any variety of occasions. Mrs Norris is a wicked, wicked character of the meanest kind and, even when Austen uses her in a humorous way, I just cannot find the words.
116BonnieJune54
Surgeons asking the patient what is happening is good medical errors prevention. It is like expecting pilots to look out the window and make sure the view agrees with the instruments.
117MrsLee
>111 haydninvienna: I only had the drug during the procedure, so no worries about me abusing it. I'm far too lazy, cautious and prim and proper to find an illegal source! ;)
>112 MrAndrew: & >113 clamairy: & >114 2wonderY: Thanks!
>113 clamairy: & >115 jillmwo: I don't think I would call her evil. At least so far she doesn't seem to be intentionally trying to bring harm to anyone, just a nosy old hen. Picking at those around her because she doesn't have a life and interest of her own. Does she get worse? Don't tell me.
>116 BonnieJune54: That's what the nurse told me afterwards, it is a way of doing a double check. Makes sense, and I'm glad he did, so we got it straight!
>112 MrAndrew: & >113 clamairy: & >114 2wonderY: Thanks!
>113 clamairy: & >115 jillmwo: I don't think I would call her evil. At least so far she doesn't seem to be intentionally trying to bring harm to anyone, just a nosy old hen. Picking at those around her because she doesn't have a life and interest of her own. Does she get worse? Don't tell me.
>116 BonnieJune54: That's what the nurse told me afterwards, it is a way of doing a double check. Makes sense, and I'm glad he did, so we got it straight!
118pgmcc
>109 MrsLee:
I am glad the biopsy was not as bad as expected. Also glad you straightened out the surgeon. That was a bit odd.
On a much less serious procedure I was taken aback when in for a toenail removal. I had one good big toe and one that was swollen enormously, was multicoloured with shades of blue, grey, yellow and purple, and oozing all sorts of things. When the surgeon came along to carry out the procedure I was sitting on the operating table with my legs bare and my feet clearly visible. He asked “Which toe is it we are working on today?”
I am glad the biopsy was not as bad as expected. Also glad you straightened out the surgeon. That was a bit odd.
On a much less serious procedure I was taken aback when in for a toenail removal. I had one good big toe and one that was swollen enormously, was multicoloured with shades of blue, grey, yellow and purple, and oozing all sorts of things. When the surgeon came along to carry out the procedure I was sitting on the operating table with my legs bare and my feet clearly visible. He asked “Which toe is it we are working on today?”
119Karlstar
>109 MrsLee: Glad it went well, I hope the results are not negative.
My sister is a hospital lab tech leader and the stories she tells about Doctors ordering the wrong test are sometimes funny, sometimes scary. We now have 2 lab techs in the family, they really do great work. Don't tell my sister I said that.
>118 pgmcc: I hope you said "Yours!".
My sister is a hospital lab tech leader and the stories she tells about Doctors ordering the wrong test are sometimes funny, sometimes scary. We now have 2 lab techs in the family, they really do great work. Don't tell my sister I said that.
>118 pgmcc: I hope you said "Yours!".
120hfglen
>109 MrsLee: May I join the chorus of well-wishers?
>110 MrsLee: >117 MrsLee: Thank you for explaining why Filch's cat at Hogwarts was called Mrs Norris. Another interfering busybody, with an evil human behind her.
>110 MrsLee: >117 MrsLee: Thank you for explaining why Filch's cat at Hogwarts was called Mrs Norris. Another interfering busybody, with an evil human behind her.
121MrsLee
>118 pgmcc:, >119 Karlstar:, & >120 hfglen: Thank you for the good wishes and encouraging words
>120 hfglen: Oh that's too funny. In my post at >117 MrsLee: I almost called her a nosey old cat, but then decided that she was more like one of those hens that pecks and pecks at a particular chick until it dies. Mostly just because she can. All of that with a blind eye to her own faults.
>120 hfglen: Oh that's too funny. In my post at >117 MrsLee: I almost called her a nosey old cat, but then decided that she was more like one of those hens that pecks and pecks at a particular chick until it dies. Mostly just because she can. All of that with a blind eye to her own faults.
122haydninvienna
>111 haydninvienna: As to the fentanyl, what I had in mind was that it's very effective but the lethal dose that will stop your breathing isn't too much higher than the one that just relieves your pain. I had no vision of you cruising the streets looking for a dealer! As to you being lazy, my mind simply refuses to process the idea.
123Narilka
>109 MrsLee: Whew! Glad that's over with and went well. I think I would probably have been taken aback by that question too even if it was a form of double checking.
124MrsLee
>122 haydninvienna: :)
>123 Narilka: It was especially unnerving when he outlined a different procedure than the one I had been told of.
Doctor called today with results and they are good overall. No cancer or other diseases in the liver. Only inflammation from the immunotherapy treatment, and some scarring as a result. With time, since the scarring is minimal and the liver is regenerative, that should heal. My liver enzymes have dropped considerably since last week, so if this trend continues the prednisone dosage will continue to go down. I'm not sure what this means for my long term treatment plan. It is possible that I won't be eligible for immunotherapy, however, I will cross that bridge when I have to and enjoy the good news of today.
I have been creating all sorts of concoctions in my kitchen for shrubs and mocktails. So far with great success. My son, niece and nephew all loved the drink I made for them. Son said it would be good for bartenders to serve to customers who really shouldn't be having more alcohol, because they wouldn't know there wasn't any in it. I told my husband that any day I get to spend in my kitchen being a mad scientist or kitchen witch is a day well lived in my book.
>123 Narilka: It was especially unnerving when he outlined a different procedure than the one I had been told of.
Doctor called today with results and they are good overall. No cancer or other diseases in the liver. Only inflammation from the immunotherapy treatment, and some scarring as a result. With time, since the scarring is minimal and the liver is regenerative, that should heal. My liver enzymes have dropped considerably since last week, so if this trend continues the prednisone dosage will continue to go down. I'm not sure what this means for my long term treatment plan. It is possible that I won't be eligible for immunotherapy, however, I will cross that bridge when I have to and enjoy the good news of today.
I have been creating all sorts of concoctions in my kitchen for shrubs and mocktails. So far with great success. My son, niece and nephew all loved the drink I made for them. Son said it would be good for bartenders to serve to customers who really shouldn't be having more alcohol, because they wouldn't know there wasn't any in it. I told my husband that any day I get to spend in my kitchen being a mad scientist or kitchen witch is a day well lived in my book.
125haydninvienna
>124 MrsLee: any day I get to spend in my kitchen being a mad scientist or kitchen witch is a day well lived: :).
Fabulous news about your liver! (Now there's a sentence that a year ago I would never have expected to type.)
Fabulous news about your liver! (Now there's a sentence that a year ago I would never have expected to type.)
126Alexandra_book_life
>124 MrsLee: I am happy that you got some good news! I hope this continues :)
And Mrs Norris is horrible. I would like to jump into the book and say some unprintable things to her.
And Mrs Norris is horrible. I would like to jump into the book and say some unprintable things to her.
127Narilka
>124 MrsLee: Great news! And maybe share a couple of those recipes? They sound tasty :)
128clamairy
>124 MrsLee: Fabulous news! And yes, please share some recipes. That lilac concoction on Facebook looked magnificent.
129jillmwo
>124 MrsLee: Celebrating that good news! I'm so very glad that some of the worry has been lifted.
130pgmcc
>124 MrsLee:
Great to hear good news.
Great to hear good news.
131littlegeek
Yay for good news from the doc. And I want to try your mocktails.
132MrsLee
Thank you friends!
>127 Narilka: & >128 clamairy: I generally specify details of my cooking over in my Cookbooker group thread. I hope I copied the right link.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/356645#n8519111
I've been typing the actual recipes for my smoothies; hoping to share a photo and recipe for The Blue Legume smoothie later today. It is yummy! Think Piña Colada.
The lilac drink I shared on FB was made with 1 oz. lilac syrup (a simple syrup made with equal parts sugar and water to 2 parts lilac blossoms, melt sugar in water, add blossoms and simmer very low for 10 minutes. I add a little citric acid after I cook it to preserve, but that does lead the flavor towards citrus. I've read you can add a T. of vodka for the same purpose), and an equal amount of apple cider or white wine vinegar. Some butterfly pea infused coconut water (I learned that you warm the water, add about 1/4 t. powder and let cool) for color. Then coconut water over ice to fill the glass. Shake, strain, enjoy. If you can drink gin, Empress 1908 Elderberry gin is recommended in place of the vinegar. It is a lilac color, so you might not need the butterfly pea powder. Also, the coconut water would be optional at that point. In spite of having a bottle of this gin in my cupboard (a gift from my son), I've yet to taste it. Maybe in a month or two!
>127 Narilka: & >128 clamairy: I generally specify details of my cooking over in my Cookbooker group thread. I hope I copied the right link.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/356645#n8519111
I've been typing the actual recipes for my smoothies; hoping to share a photo and recipe for The Blue Legume smoothie later today. It is yummy! Think Piña Colada.
The lilac drink I shared on FB was made with 1 oz. lilac syrup (a simple syrup made with equal parts sugar and water to 2 parts lilac blossoms, melt sugar in water, add blossoms and simmer very low for 10 minutes. I add a little citric acid after I cook it to preserve, but that does lead the flavor towards citrus. I've read you can add a T. of vodka for the same purpose), and an equal amount of apple cider or white wine vinegar. Some butterfly pea infused coconut water (I learned that you warm the water, add about 1/4 t. powder and let cool) for color. Then coconut water over ice to fill the glass. Shake, strain, enjoy. If you can drink gin, Empress 1908 Elderberry gin is recommended in place of the vinegar. It is a lilac color, so you might not need the butterfly pea powder. Also, the coconut water would be optional at that point. In spite of having a bottle of this gin in my cupboard (a gift from my son), I've yet to taste it. Maybe in a month or two!
133MrsLee
>131 littlegeek: Come on up! I would love to serve you a mocktail. :D
134Narilka
>132 MrsLee: The link worked great. Starred that to start reading. It's over 200 messages to catch up on lol
135catzteach
>132 MrsLee: Do you taste the vinegar much? A lilac mocktail sounds intriguing.
136Karlstar
>124 MrsLee: Nice to hear the good news!
137MrsLee
>135 catzteach: The vinegar and sugar do a meld after time in the refrigerator. It doesn't exactly taste like either one.
>136 Karlstar: Thank you.
>136 Karlstar: Thank you.
