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1Anke
It would benice if those could be handled a bit better.
1. The titles of works always have all words capitalised. This may be correct for English, but in German it's not, and as far as I know in Spanish it's incorrect, too... I'd suggest switching that off and taking the title from themost commonly entered title as-is.
2. This seems a bit more complicated, but here goes: "The" at the start of a title gets ignored when sorting alphabetically; it would be nice if other languages would be handled the same - In German that'd mean ignoring "Der", "Die" and "Das" at the start of a title.
1. The titles of works always have all words capitalised. This may be correct for English, but in German it's not, and as far as I know in Spanish it's incorrect, too... I'd suggest switching that off and taking the title from themost commonly entered title as-is.
2. This seems a bit more complicated, but here goes: "The" at the start of a title gets ignored when sorting alphabetically; it would be nice if other languages would be handled the same - In German that'd mean ignoring "Der", "Die" and "Das" at the start of a title.
2GreyHead
Handling Der, Die and Das was talked about long ago. As far as I recall it wasn't done because there's no easy way to stop 'Die Another Day' sorting under Another.
3Thalia
I remember reading that reason somewhere too. I don't really understand it though. How many titles are there starting with "Die..." apart from "Die Another Day"? And how many German titles do we have starting with the article Die? I'd say the majority wins, in this case definitely German. But maybe that's just because it's been bugging me for a really long time that the German titles in my catalog are not sorted right because the articles are not ignored.
In our library catalog everything that is in > is ignored therefore you just write articles in every language like that. But I have no idea if something like that would work here.
In our library catalog everything that is in > is ignored therefore you just write articles in every language like that. But I have no idea if something like that would work here.
4Anke
Eh, I can understand when LT gives English first priority... I guess it could be possible to check the language of a work to decide if "Die" gets ignored or not, but I have no idea how much work and computing power that'd create.
The firt point with the capital letters I hope is easier to fix.
The firt point with the capital letters I hope is easier to fix.
5andyl
From Amazon
Die A Dog's Death by H. Kadman
Die A Little by Megan Abbott - the same title by Thomas Kennedy, Kris Obodumu
Die After Dark by Hugh Pentecost
Die Again, Macready by Jack Livingston
Die All, Die Merrily by Leo Bruce
Die And Die by E. L. Larkin
That is another 8 books and it is just those where the second word begins with an A.
Sure the German would probably win on titles. It might be less clear on actual people affected.
Even if German was handled specially it also opens up a nasty can of worms. If the German definite and indefinite articles are to be treated in the same way as the English - why not the French, Spanish, Italian and every other language under the sun?
The marking of articles by angled brackets (or any other manner) gets around this for a catalogue where data input is controlled. For LT the data that comes from Amazon and the MARC sources do not have any of this markup. The user would have to do it themselves. Most users wouldn't.
Die A Dog's Death by H. Kadman
Die A Little by Megan Abbott - the same title by Thomas Kennedy, Kris Obodumu
Die After Dark by Hugh Pentecost
Die Again, Macready by Jack Livingston
Die All, Die Merrily by Leo Bruce
Die And Die by E. L. Larkin
That is another 8 books and it is just those where the second word begins with an A.
Sure the German would probably win on titles. It might be less clear on actual people affected.
Even if German was handled specially it also opens up a nasty can of worms. If the German definite and indefinite articles are to be treated in the same way as the English - why not the French, Spanish, Italian and every other language under the sun?
The marking of articles by angled brackets (or any other manner) gets around this for a catalogue where data input is controlled. For LT the data that comes from Amazon and the MARC sources do not have any of this markup. The user would have to do it themselves. Most users wouldn't.
6Fantasma
Well, if LT did that to German title, it would have to do the same for *every* foreign language, other than english. In portuguese, for exemple "O" or "A" it's the same as "The".
I believe it'd be quite an impossible job, and then sort books like 'Die Another Day"...
I believe it'd be quite an impossible job, and then sort books like 'Die Another Day"...
7Anke
Well, OF COURSE for all other languages; I only pointed out German because that's the only language apart from English which I can claim I can speak.
8GreyHead
How many titles are there starting with "Die..." apart from "Die Another Day"? And how many German titles do we have starting with the article Die?
Out of the first 1000 amazon.com results searching books for 'die' 96 German definite article and 28 English 'die' - so there you go, I was bored before lunch . . . and to see how the Touchstones cope here they are . . . and I think the English titles win on the scale of 'lighter reading'
Die Akte Astrologie. by Gunter Sachs
Die Arena (Loverboys) by John Preston
Die Armenische Kirche: Materialien Zur Armenischen Geschichte, Theologie Und Kultur by Mesrob K. Krikorian
Die Baumgartnerhäuser - Basel 1926-1938 by Rebekka Brandenberger, Ulrike Zophoniasson, and Marco Zünd
Die Bekenntnisschriften der evangelisch-lutherischen Kirche.
Die Bibel
Die Bibel oder Die ganze Heilige Schrift des Alten u. Neuen Testaments nach der deutschen Ubersetzung D. Martin Luthers by Martin Luther
Die Blechtrommel by Gunter Grass
Die Brandmauer. Der achte Fall von Kommissar Kurt Wallander. by Henning Mankell
Die Chroniken von Narnia 03. Der Ritt nach Narnia. by Clive Staples Lewis
Die deutsche Militarelite 1939-1945: Zeitgeschichte in Farbe (The German Military Elite 1939-1945 in Color) by Fritjof Schaulen
Die Deutsche Rechtschreibung (Beitrage Zur Betriebswirtschaftlichen Forschung) by Dudenredaktion
Die deutsche Rechtschreibung. Das umfassende Nachschlagewerk. by Lutz Mackensen
Die Deutsche Reichsbahn im Zweiten Weltkrieg (The German National Railway in the Second World War ) by Janusz Piekalkiewicz
Die Deutschen by Wulf Koepke
Die Drei Kleinen Schweinchen (Lesen Leicht Gemacht) by Inc Distribooks
Die dreifache Maria. Eine Geschichte. by Peter Härtling
Die Dreigroschenoper. by Bertolt Brecht and John. Gay
Die Entdeckung der Langsamkeit. Großdruck. by Sten Nadolny
Die Eucharistie im Mittelalter by Peter Browe, Hubertus Lutterbach, and Thomas Flammer
Die Fledermaus Vocal Score (Dover Vocal Scores) by Johann Strauss
Die Frau ohne Schatten in Full Score by Richard Strauss
Die Frau ohne Schatten=: (The woman without a shadow), op. 65 by Richard Strauss
Die Frauenauktion by Jaid Black
Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik. by Friedrich Nietzsche
Die Gemaldegalerie Des Kaiser-Friedrich-Museums by Die lander
Die Glut. Sonderausgabe. by Sandor Marai
Die Grammatik by Inc Distribooks
Die große Umwendung. Neue Briefe in die chinesische Vergangenheit. by Herbert Rosendorfer
Die gute Küche 2. 500 neue Rezepte für zeitgemäße Gerichte. by Ewald Plachutta and Christoph Wagner
Die gute Küche. Das Beste aus dem österreichischem Jahrhundertkochbuch. by Ewald Plachutta and Christoph Wagner
Die Hölle der Dinge. Rene Girard und die Logik der Ökonomie. by Paul Dumouchel and Jean-Pierre Dupuy
Die Ilse Ist Weg (Leichte Lekturen Fur Jugendliche) by Christine Nostlinger
Die Justitia. by Otto Rudolf Kissel
Die Kanadischen Rockies: German (Canadian Rockies) by Douglas Leighton
Die Kinder des Wüstenplaneten. by Frank Herbert
Die Kinder von Torremolinos. Roman. by James A. Michener
Die kleinen Lerndrachen, Training, Training Rechtschreiben, 2. Schuljahr
Die Kunst Des Spiegel/The Art of Der Spiegel: Titel-Illustrationen aus funf Jabrzehnten/Cover Illustrations over Five Decades by Stefan Aust
Die Leiden Des Jungen Werther/the New Sorrows of Young Werther by Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
Die letzen kinder von Schewenborn (Junge Erwachsene): (A Book of Stories) by Gudrun Pausewang
Die Macht der Freiheit. Erinnerungen. by Hans-Olaf Henkel
Die Maerchen der Brueder Grimm by Jacob Grimm and Wilhelm Grimm
Die Markert- Diät. Endlich Schluß mit dem JoJo- Effekt. by Dieter Markert
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg by F Jameson and Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg by Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg by Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg: Urtext Edition by Egon Voss and Richard Wagner
Die Minnesinger in Bildern der Manessischen Handschrift by Die Minnesinger
Die Mutter. by Petra Hammesfahr
Die Orestie des Aischylos. by Bernd. Seidensticker
Die Pantherfrau by Die Kirsch
Die permanente Erfindung einer Tradition: die Universität Tübingen im Kaiserreich und in der Weimarer Republik (Contubernium : Tübinger Beiträge z
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band I by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band II by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band III by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band IV by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band V by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band VI by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band VII by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die Physiker by Friedrich Durrenmatt and Robert E. Helbling
Die Rauber/Wilhelm Tell/Kabale Und Liebe by Schiller
Die Reise Seines Lebens by Lisa Ray Turner and Blaine Ray
Die Religion. by Jacques Derrida and Gianni Vattimo
Die Renaissance Der Stadte in Nordsyrien Und Nordmesopotamien: Stadtische Entwicklung Und Wirtschaftliche Bedingungen in Ar-Raqqa Und Harran Von Der Zeit ... (Islamic History and Civilization) by Stefan Heidemann
Die Rezeption von Evolutionstheorien im 19. Jahrhundert (Suhrkamp Taschenbuch Wissenschaft)
Die Rosenzüchterin. by Charlotte Link
Die Schone Ist Angekommen (Edition Deutsch) by Linda M. Brand, Karl Pechatscheck, and Jutta Kresin-Murakami
Die Sehnsucht nach dem Unerreichbaren: Wege und Irrwege by Anja Silja
Die socialethische Bedeutung von Recht, Unrecht und Strafe by Georg Jellinek
Die Spatzenschule. by Fritz Baumgarten and Rose Pflock
Die Steinflut by Franz Hohler
Die Stimmen von Marrakesch. Aufzeichnungen nach einer Reise. by Elias Canetti and Kurt-Michael Westermann
Die Syro- Aramäische Lesart des Koran. Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Koransprache. by Christoph Luxenberg
Die Tante Jolesch: Oder, Der Untergang des Abendlandes in Anekdoten (His Gesammelte Werke in Einzelausgaben ; Bd. 8) by Friedrich Torberg
Die Tietze Milli. by Heinz-Lothar Worm
Die Traumnovelle. by Arthur Schnitzlerur Universitäts- und Wissenschaftsgeschichte) by Sylvia Paletschek
Die unendliche Geschichte: Von A bis Z by Michael Ende
Die Unertragliche Leichtigkeit des Seins...The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera
Die unwürdige Greisin und andere Geschichten. by Bertolt Brecht
Die Verlorene Der Katerina Blum by Heinrich Boll
Die Verlorene Ehre Der Katharina Blum by Heinrich Boell
Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum. Erläuterungen und Dokumente. (Lernmaterialien) by Heinrich Böll, Werner Bellmann, and Christine Hummel
Die verschwundene Katze =: The missing cat (Berlitz Kids love to learn) by Chris L Demarest
Die Verwandlung by Franz Kafka and Marjorie L. Hoover
Die Verwandtschaftsbeziehungen zwischen den Südbalkanischen Romani-Dialekten: Mit einem Kartenanhang (StuDien zur Tsiganologie und Folkloristik) by Norbert Boretzky
Die Visio Pauli (Mittellateinische StuDien und Texte) by Lenka Jirouskova
Die Vorsokratiker 2. Zenon, Empedokles, Anaxagoras, Leukipp, Demokrit. Auswahl der Fragmente. by Jaap. Mansfeld
Die Wahrheit Beginnt Zu Zweit by Michael Moeller
Die Walkure by Richard Wagner
Die Walkure (Music Scores) by Richard Wagner
Die Walkure by F Jameson and Richard Wagner
Die Walkure Vocal Score (Dover Vocal Scores) by Richard Wagner
Die weiße Rose. (Lernmaterialien) by Inge Scholl, Iris. Felter, and Jette. Jörgensen
Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung 2/1 by Arthur Schopenhauer
Die Welt von Gestern. Erinnerungen eines Europäers. by Stefan Zweig and Rüdiger Görner
Die a Little: A Novel by Megan Abbott
Die Another Day by Raymond Benson
Die Before Nightfall (Love Inspired) by Shirlee McCoy
Die Broke : A Radical Four-Part Financial Plan by Stephen Pollan and Mark Levine
Die Cassini- Division. by Ken MacLeod
Die Cast Engineering by William Andresen
Die Dancing (A Dr Clare Burtonall Novel) by Jonathan Gash
Die Design Fundamentals by Vukota, Ph.D. Boljanovic, J. R. Paquin, and Rose Edith Crowley
Die Design Handbook (American Society of Tool and Manufacturing Engineers) by ASTME National Book Committee
Die Design Handbook by David A. Smith
Die for Love by Elizabeth Peters
Die for Me: The Terrifying True Story of the Charles Ng & Leonard Lake Torture Murders by Don Lasseter
Die Golden Goose by JL THOMAS
Die Happy: 499 Things Every Guy's Gotta Do While He Still Can by Tim Burke and Michael Burke
Die Hard 2: Die Harder by Walter H. Wager
Die Hard by Roderick Thorp
Die Hard: With a Vengeance - A Novel by D. Chiel and Jonathan Hensleigh
Die in Plain Sight by Elizabeth Lowell
Die Laughing (Daisy Dalrymple Mysteries (Paperback)) by Carola Dunn
Die Makers Handbook by Jerry Arnold
Die Nigger Die! A Political Autobiography by H. Rap Brown, Jamil Al-Amin, and Ekwueme Michael Thelwell
Die Once (A Dido Hoare Mystery) by Marianne Macdonald
Die Rich 2: The Absolute Bottom Line on Wealth Creation and Preservation by Barry Kaye
Die Trying (Jack Reacher Novels) by Lee Child
Die Twice: Two Crime Novels in One The Business of Dying and The Murder Exchange by Simon Kernick
Die Upon a Kiss by Barbara Hambly
Die, Grandpa, Die (Pinnacle True Crime) by Dale Hudson
Die, nigger, die! by H. Rap Brown
Out of the first 1000 amazon.com results searching books for 'die' 96 German definite article and 28 English 'die' - so there you go, I was bored before lunch . . . and to see how the Touchstones cope here they are . . . and I think the English titles win on the scale of 'lighter reading'
Die Akte Astrologie. by Gunter Sachs
Die Arena (Loverboys) by John Preston
Die Armenische Kirche: Materialien Zur Armenischen Geschichte, Theologie Und Kultur by Mesrob K. Krikorian
Die Baumgartnerhäuser - Basel 1926-1938 by Rebekka Brandenberger, Ulrike Zophoniasson, and Marco Zünd
Die Bekenntnisschriften der evangelisch-lutherischen Kirche.
Die Bibel
Die Bibel oder Die ganze Heilige Schrift des Alten u. Neuen Testaments nach der deutschen Ubersetzung D. Martin Luthers by Martin Luther
Die Blechtrommel by Gunter Grass
Die Brandmauer. Der achte Fall von Kommissar Kurt Wallander. by Henning Mankell
Die Chroniken von Narnia 03. Der Ritt nach Narnia. by Clive Staples Lewis
Die deutsche Militarelite 1939-1945: Zeitgeschichte in Farbe (The German Military Elite 1939-1945 in Color) by Fritjof Schaulen
Die Deutsche Rechtschreibung (Beitrage Zur Betriebswirtschaftlichen Forschung) by Dudenredaktion
Die deutsche Rechtschreibung. Das umfassende Nachschlagewerk. by Lutz Mackensen
Die Deutsche Reichsbahn im Zweiten Weltkrieg (The German National Railway in the Second World War ) by Janusz Piekalkiewicz
Die Deutschen by Wulf Koepke
Die Drei Kleinen Schweinchen (Lesen Leicht Gemacht) by Inc Distribooks
Die dreifache Maria. Eine Geschichte. by Peter Härtling
Die Dreigroschenoper. by Bertolt Brecht and John. Gay
Die Entdeckung der Langsamkeit. Großdruck. by Sten Nadolny
Die Eucharistie im Mittelalter by Peter Browe, Hubertus Lutterbach, and Thomas Flammer
Die Fledermaus Vocal Score (Dover Vocal Scores) by Johann Strauss
Die Frau ohne Schatten in Full Score by Richard Strauss
Die Frau ohne Schatten=: (The woman without a shadow), op. 65 by Richard Strauss
Die Frauenauktion by Jaid Black
Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik. by Friedrich Nietzsche
Die Gemaldegalerie Des Kaiser-Friedrich-Museums by Die lander
Die Glut. Sonderausgabe. by Sandor Marai
Die Grammatik by Inc Distribooks
Die große Umwendung. Neue Briefe in die chinesische Vergangenheit. by Herbert Rosendorfer
Die gute Küche 2. 500 neue Rezepte für zeitgemäße Gerichte. by Ewald Plachutta and Christoph Wagner
Die gute Küche. Das Beste aus dem österreichischem Jahrhundertkochbuch. by Ewald Plachutta and Christoph Wagner
Die Hölle der Dinge. Rene Girard und die Logik der Ökonomie. by Paul Dumouchel and Jean-Pierre Dupuy
Die Ilse Ist Weg (Leichte Lekturen Fur Jugendliche) by Christine Nostlinger
Die Justitia. by Otto Rudolf Kissel
Die Kanadischen Rockies: German (Canadian Rockies) by Douglas Leighton
Die Kinder des Wüstenplaneten. by Frank Herbert
Die Kinder von Torremolinos. Roman. by James A. Michener
Die kleinen Lerndrachen, Training, Training Rechtschreiben, 2. Schuljahr
Die Kunst Des Spiegel/The Art of Der Spiegel: Titel-Illustrationen aus funf Jabrzehnten/Cover Illustrations over Five Decades by Stefan Aust
Die Leiden Des Jungen Werther/the New Sorrows of Young Werther by Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
Die letzen kinder von Schewenborn (Junge Erwachsene): (A Book of Stories) by Gudrun Pausewang
Die Macht der Freiheit. Erinnerungen. by Hans-Olaf Henkel
Die Maerchen der Brueder Grimm by Jacob Grimm and Wilhelm Grimm
Die Markert- Diät. Endlich Schluß mit dem JoJo- Effekt. by Dieter Markert
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg by F Jameson and Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg by Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg by Richard Wagner
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg: Urtext Edition by Egon Voss and Richard Wagner
Die Minnesinger in Bildern der Manessischen Handschrift by Die Minnesinger
Die Mutter. by Petra Hammesfahr
Die Orestie des Aischylos. by Bernd. Seidensticker
Die Pantherfrau by Die Kirsch
Die permanente Erfindung einer Tradition: die Universität Tübingen im Kaiserreich und in der Weimarer Republik (Contubernium : Tübinger Beiträge z
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band I by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band II by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band III by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band IV by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band V by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band VI by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die philosophischen Schriften: Band VII by Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz
Die Physiker by Friedrich Durrenmatt and Robert E. Helbling
Die Rauber/Wilhelm Tell/Kabale Und Liebe by Schiller
Die Reise Seines Lebens by Lisa Ray Turner and Blaine Ray
Die Religion. by Jacques Derrida and Gianni Vattimo
Die Renaissance Der Stadte in Nordsyrien Und Nordmesopotamien: Stadtische Entwicklung Und Wirtschaftliche Bedingungen in Ar-Raqqa Und Harran Von Der Zeit ... (Islamic History and Civilization) by Stefan Heidemann
Die Rezeption von Evolutionstheorien im 19. Jahrhundert (Suhrkamp Taschenbuch Wissenschaft)
Die Rosenzüchterin. by Charlotte Link
Die Schone Ist Angekommen (Edition Deutsch) by Linda M. Brand, Karl Pechatscheck, and Jutta Kresin-Murakami
Die Sehnsucht nach dem Unerreichbaren: Wege und Irrwege by Anja Silja
Die socialethische Bedeutung von Recht, Unrecht und Strafe by Georg Jellinek
Die Spatzenschule. by Fritz Baumgarten and Rose Pflock
Die Steinflut by Franz Hohler
Die Stimmen von Marrakesch. Aufzeichnungen nach einer Reise. by Elias Canetti and Kurt-Michael Westermann
Die Syro- Aramäische Lesart des Koran. Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Koransprache. by Christoph Luxenberg
Die Tante Jolesch: Oder, Der Untergang des Abendlandes in Anekdoten (His Gesammelte Werke in Einzelausgaben ; Bd. 8) by Friedrich Torberg
Die Tietze Milli. by Heinz-Lothar Worm
Die Traumnovelle. by Arthur Schnitzlerur Universitäts- und Wissenschaftsgeschichte) by Sylvia Paletschek
Die unendliche Geschichte: Von A bis Z by Michael Ende
Die Unertragliche Leichtigkeit des Seins...The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera
Die unwürdige Greisin und andere Geschichten. by Bertolt Brecht
Die Verlorene Der Katerina Blum by Heinrich Boll
Die Verlorene Ehre Der Katharina Blum by Heinrich Boell
Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum. Erläuterungen und Dokumente. (Lernmaterialien) by Heinrich Böll, Werner Bellmann, and Christine Hummel
Die verschwundene Katze =: The missing cat (Berlitz Kids love to learn) by Chris L Demarest
Die Verwandlung by Franz Kafka and Marjorie L. Hoover
Die Verwandtschaftsbeziehungen zwischen den Südbalkanischen Romani-Dialekten: Mit einem Kartenanhang (StuDien zur Tsiganologie und Folkloristik) by Norbert Boretzky
Die Visio Pauli (Mittellateinische StuDien und Texte) by Lenka Jirouskova
Die Vorsokratiker 2. Zenon, Empedokles, Anaxagoras, Leukipp, Demokrit. Auswahl der Fragmente. by Jaap. Mansfeld
Die Wahrheit Beginnt Zu Zweit by Michael Moeller
Die Walkure by Richard Wagner
Die Walkure (Music Scores) by Richard Wagner
Die Walkure by F Jameson and Richard Wagner
Die Walkure Vocal Score (Dover Vocal Scores) by Richard Wagner
Die weiße Rose. (Lernmaterialien) by Inge Scholl, Iris. Felter, and Jette. Jörgensen
Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung 2/1 by Arthur Schopenhauer
Die Welt von Gestern. Erinnerungen eines Europäers. by Stefan Zweig and Rüdiger Görner
Die a Little: A Novel by Megan Abbott
Die Another Day by Raymond Benson
Die Before Nightfall (Love Inspired) by Shirlee McCoy
Die Broke : A Radical Four-Part Financial Plan by Stephen Pollan and Mark Levine
Die Cassini- Division. by Ken MacLeod
Die Cast Engineering by William Andresen
Die Dancing (A Dr Clare Burtonall Novel) by Jonathan Gash
Die Design Fundamentals by Vukota, Ph.D. Boljanovic, J. R. Paquin, and Rose Edith Crowley
Die Design Handbook (American Society of Tool and Manufacturing Engineers) by ASTME National Book Committee
Die Design Handbook by David A. Smith
Die for Love by Elizabeth Peters
Die for Me: The Terrifying True Story of the Charles Ng & Leonard Lake Torture Murders by Don Lasseter
Die Golden Goose by JL THOMAS
Die Happy: 499 Things Every Guy's Gotta Do While He Still Can by Tim Burke and Michael Burke
Die Hard 2: Die Harder by Walter H. Wager
Die Hard by Roderick Thorp
Die Hard: With a Vengeance - A Novel by D. Chiel and Jonathan Hensleigh
Die in Plain Sight by Elizabeth Lowell
Die Laughing (Daisy Dalrymple Mysteries (Paperback)) by Carola Dunn
Die Makers Handbook by Jerry Arnold
Die Nigger Die! A Political Autobiography by H. Rap Brown, Jamil Al-Amin, and Ekwueme Michael Thelwell
Die Once (A Dido Hoare Mystery) by Marianne Macdonald
Die Rich 2: The Absolute Bottom Line on Wealth Creation and Preservation by Barry Kaye
Die Trying (Jack Reacher Novels) by Lee Child
Die Twice: Two Crime Novels in One The Business of Dying and The Murder Exchange by Simon Kernick
Die Upon a Kiss by Barbara Hambly
Die, Grandpa, Die (Pinnacle True Crime) by Dale Hudson
Die, nigger, die! by H. Rap Brown
9Thalia
Wow, GreyHead, I didn't intend to keep anyone from working :-) Of course, I was aware that there are more titles in English starting with "Die..." than just "Die Another Day", I just had a feeling that there would be more German titles starting that way since pretty much all of my German books have a title that starts with an article. And you'd probably get a different result if you repeated the same search on amazon.de (DON'T, it's just an assumption...).
And I totally agree that LT is an English site so it's ok that English has first priority. Also if it were changed in German, it should also be changed in every other language.
And I totally agree that LT is an English site so it's ok that English has first priority. Also if it were changed in German, it should also be changed in every other language.
10lilithcat
1. The titles of works always have all words capitalised.
Actually, that's not the case. It's true on the book information page, but not in your catalogue. There, I find that whether or not my titles have all words capitalised depends entirely upon the source which I searched to enter the book.
"The" at the start of a title gets ignored when sorting alphabetically; it would be nice if other languages would be handled the same
I can't imagine the mess if every book starting with "I" (English personal pronoun, Italian plural masculine article) had the first word ignored!
Actually, that's not the case. It's true on the book information page, but not in your catalogue. There, I find that whether or not my titles have all words capitalised depends entirely upon the source which I searched to enter the book.
"The" at the start of a title gets ignored when sorting alphabetically; it would be nice if other languages would be handled the same
I can't imagine the mess if every book starting with "I" (English personal pronoun, Italian plural masculine article) had the first word ignored!
11Fantasma
Anke, I know you meant all other languages, and that's the reason I said it would be quite an impossible job to do...
12papalaz
Well I can't even find a search site here that returns my contemporary Greek books - am I missing one?
So I have no idea how LT handles these titles.
So I have no idea how LT handles these titles.
13lquilter
Anke mentioned the notion of verifying with the language of a title -- that should work. If the title has a defined language of German exclude Der, Die, etc., but not The, A, An. If it's French exclude Le, La, L' ...
So long as the composition of LT is primarily English-language people/countries/books books without languages could be assumed English. If the composition becomes significantly multilingual then "no language" titles could just sort alphabetical with no article exclusion.
So long as the composition of LT is primarily English-language people/countries/books books without languages could be assumed English. If the composition becomes significantly multilingual then "no language" titles could just sort alphabetical with no article exclusion.
14argyriou
Anke beat me to it - I think it would be some work to create a list of articles to be stripped from titles in each language, then check those for each book reported as not in English. But it would solve the problem of Die a Little or I, Claudius being misfiled (unless someone says those books are in German or Italian, respectively).
