The sorrow of war
by Bao Ninh
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Bao Ninh, a former North Vietnamese soldier, provides a strikingly honest look at how the Vietnam War forever changed his life, his country, and the people who live there. Originally published against government wishes in Vietnam because of its nonheroic, nonideological tone, The Sorrow of War has won worldwide acclaim and become an international bestseller.Tags
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DavidLaw The Vietnam War from the Vietnamese point of view. The horrors of war are exposed while the more pleasant times of pre-war Vietnam are presented in flashback form. The Vietnamese spirit in the face of unrelenting horror, starvation and exhaustion make clear why victory in this war was unattainable for America (as indeed, the French learned previously at Dien Bien Phu). Like Bao Ninh's The Sorrow of War, there is no glory in war, only in the spirit of the individual. That is something that Novel Without a Name shares with some of the finest of American novels dealing with the Vietnam War.
rebeccanyc Whether American or Vietnamese, the experience of the Vietnam/American war was shared, and these two books explore the experience of fighting and remembering from differing perspectives.
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The Sorrow of War is Vietnam's counterpart to the works of Tim O'Brien. Bao Ninh was one of ten survivors from the 500 men who went south with the Glorious 27th Youth Brigade in 1969. His narrator, Kien, is clearly an alter ego. In this non-linear, densely woven story, Kien moves through collecting the dead and missing in the Forest of Screaming Souls just after the armistice is signed, years of desperate and horrifying combat with a scout platoon, and the alcoholic shadow of a life in Hanoi driven by the external power of a Novel inside him.
The counterweight to Kien's story is that of Phoung, his childhood sweetheart who's innocence is taken forever by the war, the person who Kien is first complicit in destroying, and who he cannot show more ever save. The Sorrow of War is a strange, tough, sentimental novel. It's genius and popularity in Communist Vietnam is proof enough that even the victorious walk away deeply wounded. This is an important book for anyone curious about how the Vietnamese saw their 'American War'. show less
The counterweight to Kien's story is that of Phoung, his childhood sweetheart who's innocence is taken forever by the war, the person who Kien is first complicit in destroying, and who he cannot show more ever save. The Sorrow of War is a strange, tough, sentimental novel. It's genius and popularity in Communist Vietnam is proof enough that even the victorious walk away deeply wounded. This is an important book for anyone curious about how the Vietnamese saw their 'American War'. show less
During the Viet Nam War, Bao Ninh served in the Glorious 27th Youth Brigade of the North Vietnamese Army, and of the five hundred members who went to war in 1969, he is one of ten that survived. This author knows the pain of war, the hopelessness of war, The Sorrow of War. Yet, I found this a difficult book to become overly connected to. The writing is beautiful and the emotion runs deep, but is elusive. It’s non-linear style required my concentrated attention, but that also had a disconnecting effect. The basic story is about Kien who now that the war is over, is responsible for the retrieval and identification of the fallen but comes across more as a series of reflections or flashbacks about the horrors that he experienced during show more the war.
As if through a veil we are given glimpses of a survivor’s guilt as we learn of the events that Kien lived through. At times very dark and bleak, but at others you get a glimpse of the black humor that helped these soldiers hold it together. And through it all runs the remoteness and distance that enables a person to go on when the terror and violence seem never ending.
The Sorrow of War was an uncomfortable read yet this book does a good job of pointing out that soldiers everywhere share these feelings regardless of politics, religion or race. As this short and powerful book ably points out no one survives a war intact. show less
As if through a veil we are given glimpses of a survivor’s guilt as we learn of the events that Kien lived through. At times very dark and bleak, but at others you get a glimpse of the black humor that helped these soldiers hold it together. And through it all runs the remoteness and distance that enables a person to go on when the terror and violence seem never ending.
The Sorrow of War was an uncomfortable read yet this book does a good job of pointing out that soldiers everywhere share these feelings regardless of politics, religion or race. As this short and powerful book ably points out no one survives a war intact. show less
It is 1975 and the American War has been won as this tragic and stunning novel begins, yet Kien, a veteran of ten years of fighting, is still in the Vietnamese army, in the Missing In Action Remains-Gathering Team, and the team is on the edge of the Jungle of Screaming Souls, an area he knows well, because it was the site of vicious fighting in 1969 from which only ten members of his battalion survived. Here soldiers see ghosts, of Vietnamese and Americans, of animals and humans, souls that have not yet found the peace of death. And the Jungle of Screaming Souls is in a way a metaphor for the rest of this book, whose Vietnamese title means "My Destiny of Love," as Kien relentlessly searches his memories, of war and love, to try to show more understand the past, the present, and maybe the future.
The book moves somewhat haphazardly between Kien's life in the present as a writer trying to write a novel about the war and his life, his life during the war in the midst of horrifying fighting, and his life before the war, especially his love for his neighbor and schoolmate, the beautiful Phuong. And yet, there is a method to the haphazardness, because as the book (both Ninh's and Kien's) progresses Kien delves deeper into his memories and reveals more of the trauma he and Phuong experienced at the beginning of the war. It is as if he is spiraling deeper and deeper into his own soul and memories. What Ninh is doing grows on the reader as the book goes on.
Clearly, this book exists on several levels. Without a doubt, as all the blurbs on my copy say, it is an indictment of the horror (and sorrow) of war, and war scenes are rendered in great and disturbing detail. According to Wikipedia, Ninh was a member of something called the Glorious 27th Youth Brigade: of the 500 young men and women originally in it, only ten survived, and of these I read elsewhere (sorry, forget where) six committed suicide. At points, Ninh's writing about Kien's postwar experiences sound exactly like what we now know as post-traumatic stress syndrome. What does it mean to kill? What does it mean to survive when others die, even sacrifice themselves? In the way it describes the nitty gritty of war and how soldiers cope, it is a counterpart to the also brilliant Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes.
At the same time, it is a portrait of life in Hanoi, both pre- and postwar, and an illustration of the differences, found around the world, between city dwellers and country dwellers who find themselves thrown together. It is a story about the role of art in various forms: music and painting, as well as writing. It is in a way a coming-of-age story, as Kien reflects on his and Phuong's parents, although a coming-of-age by fire. And it is a tale of young love and of innocence shattered.
But maybe most of all, it is a novel about memory - what we remember, how we remember it, how with effort (in Kien's case through writing and, perhaps, alcohol; with others, perhaps, through therapy) we can access the very things that disturb us the most and that we keep hidden even from ourselves. And the novel explores the meaning of the past. At one point, early in the book, Kien muses:
"My life seems little different from that of a sampan pushed upstream towards the past. The future lied to us, there long ago in the past. There is no new life, no new era, nor is it hope for a beautiful future that now drives me on, but rather the opposite. The hope is contained in the beautiful prewar past." p. 47
Ninh's book was controversial, and was was published in English long before being widely available in Vietnam. Ninh worked with a translator and an Australian author/translator/war correspondent (who is listed as "editor") to produce the English version (per Wikipedia). Here's an example of what might have annoyed the censors, although much is more subtle than this:
After 1975, all that had quieted. The wind of war had stopped. The branches of conflict had stopped rustling. As we had won, Kien thought, then that meant justice had won; that had been some consolation. Or had it? Think carefully; look at your own existence. Look carefully now at the peace we have, painful, bitter, and sad. And look at who won the war.
To win, martyrs had sacrificed their lives in order that others might survive. Not a new phenomenon, true. But for those still living to know that the kindest, most worthy people have all fallen away, or even been tortured, humiliated before being killed, or buried and wiped away by the machinery of war, then this beautiful landscape of calm and peace is an appalling paradox. Justice may have won, but cruelty, death, and inhuman violence have also won." p. 193
I haven't really touched on Phuong's story, but it's an important component of the novel, as is her own wartime trauma and response. It is seen through Kien's eyes, but he gradually comes to understand her better, although he is still heartbroken about her leaving him.
This is a disturbing and eye-opening, yet beautiful book. show less
The book moves somewhat haphazardly between Kien's life in the present as a writer trying to write a novel about the war and his life, his life during the war in the midst of horrifying fighting, and his life before the war, especially his love for his neighbor and schoolmate, the beautiful Phuong. And yet, there is a method to the haphazardness, because as the book (both Ninh's and Kien's) progresses Kien delves deeper into his memories and reveals more of the trauma he and Phuong experienced at the beginning of the war. It is as if he is spiraling deeper and deeper into his own soul and memories. What Ninh is doing grows on the reader as the book goes on.
Clearly, this book exists on several levels. Without a doubt, as all the blurbs on my copy say, it is an indictment of the horror (and sorrow) of war, and war scenes are rendered in great and disturbing detail. According to Wikipedia, Ninh was a member of something called the Glorious 27th Youth Brigade: of the 500 young men and women originally in it, only ten survived, and of these I read elsewhere (sorry, forget where) six committed suicide. At points, Ninh's writing about Kien's postwar experiences sound exactly like what we now know as post-traumatic stress syndrome. What does it mean to kill? What does it mean to survive when others die, even sacrifice themselves? In the way it describes the nitty gritty of war and how soldiers cope, it is a counterpart to the also brilliant Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes.
At the same time, it is a portrait of life in Hanoi, both pre- and postwar, and an illustration of the differences, found around the world, between city dwellers and country dwellers who find themselves thrown together. It is a story about the role of art in various forms: music and painting, as well as writing. It is in a way a coming-of-age story, as Kien reflects on his and Phuong's parents, although a coming-of-age by fire. And it is a tale of young love and of innocence shattered.
But maybe most of all, it is a novel about memory - what we remember, how we remember it, how with effort (in Kien's case through writing and, perhaps, alcohol; with others, perhaps, through therapy) we can access the very things that disturb us the most and that we keep hidden even from ourselves. And the novel explores the meaning of the past. At one point, early in the book, Kien muses:
"My life seems little different from that of a sampan pushed upstream towards the past. The future lied to us, there long ago in the past. There is no new life, no new era, nor is it hope for a beautiful future that now drives me on, but rather the opposite. The hope is contained in the beautiful prewar past." p. 47
Ninh's book was controversial, and was was published in English long before being widely available in Vietnam. Ninh worked with a translator and an Australian author/translator/war correspondent (who is listed as "editor") to produce the English version (per Wikipedia). Here's an example of what might have annoyed the censors, although much is more subtle than this:
After 1975, all that had quieted. The wind of war had stopped. The branches of conflict had stopped rustling. As we had won, Kien thought, then that meant justice had won; that had been some consolation. Or had it? Think carefully; look at your own existence. Look carefully now at the peace we have, painful, bitter, and sad. And look at who won the war.
To win, martyrs had sacrificed their lives in order that others might survive. Not a new phenomenon, true. But for those still living to know that the kindest, most worthy people have all fallen away, or even been tortured, humiliated before being killed, or buried and wiped away by the machinery of war, then this beautiful landscape of calm and peace is an appalling paradox. Justice may have won, but cruelty, death, and inhuman violence have also won." p. 193
I haven't really touched on Phuong's story, but it's an important component of the novel, as is her own wartime trauma and response. It is seen through Kien's eyes, but he gradually comes to understand her better, although he is still heartbroken about her leaving him.
This is a disturbing and eye-opening, yet beautiful book. show less
Life is a battlefield. And what sticks with me most from Bao Ninh's amazing book, whose original Vietnamese title translates as "The Destiny of Love", it's the sheer power of life and love, that wonderful Asian committedness with which our young cadres bask in the long sun of youth and embrace life, magnificent, dedicated, ready to build something deep and real. And the power of total war, the kind that kills 4-6 million of your countrymen (sources vary, but 10% or more), to grind that into dust. They are young and strong and smart and brave! How can they die! But they do. They ALL do, and protagonist Kien is the only survivor of his unit. Phuong and Kien's love is potent, like a draught of chrysanthemum wine! How can it fail? But it show more does.
This is a story about the glory of youth and peace, the costs of victory, the breaking of a people, and the things that nobody can handle. The next time an American tries to present Vietnam as a story about the loss of America's innocence and the Vietnamese as gibbering, sneaky and cruel, I'm going to kick a bald eagle in the nards. show less
This is a story about the glory of youth and peace, the costs of victory, the breaking of a people, and the things that nobody can handle. The next time an American tries to present Vietnam as a story about the loss of America's innocence and the Vietnamese as gibbering, sneaky and cruel, I'm going to kick a bald eagle in the nards. show less
Painful to read; I could only read a few pages a day. But absorbing and revealing. I was there. This perspective was enlightening. After all, we were the enemy.
In The Sorrow of War Bảo Ninh tells the brutal, often tragically poignant story of a North Vietnamese soldier during the Vietnam War. In modern media, one often sees the effect the Vietnam War had on American soldiers and indeed on the American psyche but rarely does one see the Vietnamese side, and even rarer, the North Vietnamese side.
This story is told in a series of flashbacks as the main character, Kien, tries to come to terms with the brutal decade-long war that has ravaged his home and his mind. Autobiographical in nature, as Bảo Ninh (like Kien) was one of ten survivors from his unit, and this portrays the psychological effects war has on its victims. At the same time, this is also a poignant love story as Kien and his show more sweetheart Phuong deal with their emotions surrounded by the ever-present spectre of war.
In short then, this is a powerful novel, akin to All Quiet on the Western Front not only for showing once more the horrors of war but also for giving a valuable perspective on the Vietnam War itself. show less
This story is told in a series of flashbacks as the main character, Kien, tries to come to terms with the brutal decade-long war that has ravaged his home and his mind. Autobiographical in nature, as Bảo Ninh (like Kien) was one of ten survivors from his unit, and this portrays the psychological effects war has on its victims. At the same time, this is also a poignant love story as Kien and his show more sweetheart Phuong deal with their emotions surrounded by the ever-present spectre of war.
In short then, this is a powerful novel, akin to All Quiet on the Western Front not only for showing once more the horrors of war but also for giving a valuable perspective on the Vietnam War itself. show less
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How many stories have we seen about the Vietnam war? How many feature the North Vietnamese? This is the first I've seen.
It's fiction but I suspect a great deal is based on the author's experience. He was with the 27th Glorious Youth Brigade, which numbered 500 at the start. He was one of ten who survived.
The protagonist is Kien, a young man who joins the army at the beginning of the war and who survives attack after attack. He sees death almost daily while fighting, and returns home with memories of those who did not make it. In a disjointed way, the way memories take us, the book jolts from one incident to another and back to the present.
Kien falls show more in love as a teenager and cannot forget Phuong through all the long years, ten long years, and he finds her when he returns. But she is changed just as he is. Ultimately Kien spends most of his time in his little room, writing. Did Bao Ninh do the same? Is that how this novel got written?
The book does not speak from a political position. It is not about North Vietnam so much as it is about war itself, and particularly about such a long, bloody war. It is written simply, with restrained emotion, and is powerful because of that. show less
http://www.BookCrossing.com/journal/12978305
How many stories have we seen about the Vietnam war? How many feature the North Vietnamese? This is the first I've seen.
It's fiction but I suspect a great deal is based on the author's experience. He was with the 27th Glorious Youth Brigade, which numbered 500 at the start. He was one of ten who survived.
The protagonist is Kien, a young man who joins the army at the beginning of the war and who survives attack after attack. He sees death almost daily while fighting, and returns home with memories of those who did not make it. In a disjointed way, the way memories take us, the book jolts from one incident to another and back to the present.
Kien falls show more in love as a teenager and cannot forget Phuong through all the long years, ten long years, and he finds her when he returns. But she is changed just as he is. Ultimately Kien spends most of his time in his little room, writing. Did Bao Ninh do the same? Is that how this novel got written?
The book does not speak from a political position. It is not about North Vietnam so much as it is about war itself, and particularly about such a long, bloody war. It is written simply, with restrained emotion, and is powerful because of that. show less
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Excellent novel as soldier become writer tries to fulfill his obligations to his generation and write about their history while he mourns and tries to recreate the love he felt before the war. Wide in sweep, terrible in its sorrow of war....
“The ones who loved war were not the young men, but the others, like politician, middle aged men with fat bellies and short legs. Not the ordinary show more people. The recent years of war had brought enough suffering and pain to last them a thousand years.” show less
“The ones who loved war were not the young men, but the others, like politician, middle aged men with fat bellies and short legs. Not the ordinary show more people. The recent years of war had brought enough suffering and pain to last them a thousand years.” show less
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- Canonical title
- The sorrow of war
- Original title
- Thân Phân Cua Tình Yêu
- Alternate titles
- Nỗi buồn chiến tranh; Identity of love
- Original publication date
- 1991
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- Vietnam
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- Vietnam War
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- On the banks of the Ya Crong Poco River, on the northern flank of the B3 battlefield in the Central Highlands, the Missing in Action body-collecting team awaits the dry season of 1976.
- Last words
- (Click to show. Warning: May contain spoilers.)Those were the days when all of us were young, very pure and very sincere.
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- Page, Tim
- Original language
- Vietnamese
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- 895.92233 — Literature & rhetoric Asian Literature Literatures of East and Southeast Asia Other south east Asian languages Vietic languages Vietnamese Vietnamese fiction 1900–2000
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- PL4378.9 .B37 .N6513 — Language and Literature Languages and literatures of Eastern Asia, Africa, Oceania Languages of Eastern Asia, Africa, Oceania Austroasiatic languages Mon-Khmer (Mon-Anam) languages Vietnamese. Annamese
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