TinyCat is ALIVE! (bugs)

Here's a place to put TinyCat bugs for now.

>1 timspalding:

Tim - I am on a personal account and I now have full access to the patron portal, thank you. However, I am still having issues with editing names and adding addresses which are not correcting. Is this still in fix mode, as it was the other day?

I set my patrons to need to be able to log in with their ID and password. Setting the password difficulty at medium. How do we actually change the password on the account? I see a # symbol but when I clicked on it next to my daughter's name it said doing so would change the password and only show it once. I am not sure how fast it plans to show it and I had never set up a password to begin with.

I had just played around with "reserving" a book and it popped up my name and a filled in password automatically, but when I used that one (It was dotted out so I could not actually see the password) it said it was incorrect.

Just trying to figure the password access out now that I can utilize that.

Thanks,

Mary S.

>1 timspalding:

Another issue. I changed the patron check out to only needing the ID and not a password. So, I played around with my son's ID number. To check out a book. That worked fine, but I did not want to actually do that, so I hit cancel. However, I went to a different book so that I could see about checking it out with my ID number and it continued to say that my son was about to check out the book. I closed TinyCat at least on the other window that I had it opened in and reopened it. (I still had it opened in Admin on another window/tab.). It did not appear to clear the cache - if I am using the correct terminology- and instead of assuming that I was a new patron, when I clicked the check out button it again gave my son's name was about to check out the book.

Not sure if this is a bug, or I still just don't something set up correctly. I won't have internet access for awhile, but later, I will see about completely closing down my entire Library Thing tab and Tiny Cat and reopen it and try again to see if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Mary S.

>3 MarySchubert: Based on your description, it doesn't sound like the cache/cookies would have cleared, since you still had admin open in the same browser, right? Even if it is another window, until all windows, and thus the browser application is closed, that counts as one session.

>4 lorannen:

I will try to mess around with it tomorrow and close everything down and then open up a new window again. I wonder if that will fix the Patron editing or if we are still working on that one?

Thanks,

Mary S.

I've moved this over from a topic I started. It seems similar to what Mary is talking about in >3 MarySchubert:.

>4 lorannen: Even when I clear everything and log out it still happens.

I'd like to try various fictitious patron accounts to see how different combinations of settings work. But something in the works has me identified as me, and any time I click on a hold, request or check out button, my name comes up. No matter how vigorously I clear my browsing data.

This could be a problem with multiple users of a single computer terminal.

Can someone please do something about this? Or am I missing something I can do from my end?

Another thing that I just found that's not right and even ugly: I logged out to see what TC would look like to anyone from the outside. I clicked on a passing book, and when the detail page came up, there was a misspelling in the title.

http://www.librarything.com/work/5876917 (this only works to show that book when I'm not logged in)

I went to see what was happening from the inside, and OUR book of that title has all its details correct.

http://www.librarything.com/work/5876917/book/65488010

So why is someone else's record coming up when I select a book passing by in our display?

And, does this have something to do with how so many of our book covers are suddenly missing?

Hoping someone can fix these!

>8 VicRML: There seem to have been two versions of that book which I have now separated. I have corrected work title and author on the one that was very bad.

http://www.librarything.com/work/5876917
http://www.librarything.com/work/17576446

Note personal vs emotional and different years.

Your copy is still http://www.librarything.com/work/5876917/book/65488010

There are a few 0 copies around that were neither one or the other.

If you only have a work URL, you get work details, not the specific copy details.

How do you get to it? I followed the obvious link on a desktop and created a TC account no problems.
But it looks like you have to sign-up (again) on a mobile
trying to sign-up on a mobile - Android - Personal library goes to the volunteer/non-volunteer page, rather than the 'you sure you're not using it commercially?' page.

>9 MarthaJeanne:
Thank you, for doing that, Martha Jeanne. But it doesn't seem right that such a mess should be displayed as part of our collection. I'm confused about why any other library's book would be shown as ours.

Can you explain this? And can it be fixed for all our books by correcting some problem in the LT system?

"If you only have a work URL, you get work details, not the specific copy details." - Then why does a work get displayed instead of our book on our TC? I put specific details into our catalogue.

I'm not interested in going through each of our books and making sure that every other library holding the same title has the correct information! Nor do I want our collection's display compromised by whatever is going on.

Thanks.

Blessings,
Bevianne

BTW I don't know what is meant by "There are a few 0 copies around that were neither one or the other."

Sorry if I sound grumpy, but it's scary to see months of work messed up. (And I'm up past my bedtime, having spent far too long trying to make sense of this.)

OK, the 0 copy remark was intended for other combiners.

I don't know enough about how TinyCAT is set up to know when someone there might get a work URL or a book URL. It seems to me that they ought to get book URLs.

Anyway, a work is not 'any other library's book' but rather a compromise of all the books considered to belong to that work. And if lots of people have imported a bad Amazon record, that is what shows up there. There are ways to minimise it, but you can't change other people's data, nor can they change yours.

I'm rather confused as to how you got that LT URL from TinyCAT. TinyCAT URLs look like https://www.librarycat.org/lib/VicRML/item/122146454, and show the specifics of your copy, while pulling some work information in.

I'm confused as to the exact problem, tbh.

original bugreport: http://www.librarything.com/topic/220655

Are you claiming that covers you have uploaded are now gone?
Are you claiming that covers you have uploaded are showing in your LT catalog, but don't show on TC when logged out? Logged in?

When I look at your catalog with covers showing it's clear that at least 75% of your books show covers.
http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=VicRML&offset=0&collection=...

If you use the Coverview it's even easier to see which don't have covers:
http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=VicRML&shelf_rows=10&previo...

(warning, many images)

>11 VicRML: Not sure whether this will help or not, but when I signed up, I went into "settings" and one of the choices in there somewhere was to choose whether the book displayed from a search would be from your records only, or all records, I think. Maybe that would help? Explore all the options in there and see if it will narrow it down.

Possibly I'm phrasing this poorly, I only spent about 5 minutes last night playing around and my head is woozy from allergy meds.

>11 VicRML: >14 MrsLee: Hit the nail on the head. The only way your patrons will be routed to a LibraryThing book page is if they click the "LibraryThing" link at the bottom of a detail page for one of your items, and you can decide whether that link goes to what we call the "work" page (which represents all editions/copies of a given title on LibraryThing), or to your specific book page. It sounds like the latter is definitely what you want.

The setting for that lives here: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings/detail, near the middle of the page, under "LibraryThing links." You can even turn that link off, if you want!

>4 lorannen:
>3 MarySchubert:

This is Mary - Okay, regarding the signing out - I finally noticed this morning when I went over to the children's computer and we signed into my TC that there is now a little people icon, next to my library name and the TC logo. I don't recall that being there in Beta Testing and I was set up as personal.

So, when we clicked on that little icon it brought up the list that shows sign out, once we signed out I was able to sign in successfully with another ID#. - This will just be a training issue to make sure people sign off of their account. My concern for someone like my daughter, a school teacher, is that if it isn't automatically signed out after a delay period (such as our online banks like to do) there are apt to be issues with children signing in on another account. Which might be different if the simple circulation option is set up. I also wonder if this will create a problem if someone is signed on at a different computer and forgets to log off. Will it affect someone else signing in. I can try that with multiple computers in our home but they are all on the same IP address, I think. (I am not that computer literate.)

I think the logging out problem is for the most part resolved on my end. There are still some other questions that I will put in a new question.

Mary S.

Concern with Admin icon being visible to all patrons and they being able to adjust accounts.

My account is set up as personal - this may not be an issue with a paid account, but I would still like it to be totally under my control. I went to my TC online without having my LT account signed into or opened up. That worked the way that I expected, however I was not actually signed in as myself. (Which as a patron it doesn't recognize my LT sign in - I have to give it my ID# it assigned me.)

In my settings, I do have the Admin home icon set to be visible, because I thought that would make it easier on me to do editing and setting changes when I was on my TC screen versus my LT screen. However, I don't want any patron (even my children) able to access the Admin settings and they are able to. I checked again, I signed in with my son's ID to check out books and the Admin home icon was still visible and I could click on it to go to the Admin page.

Is there a way to have this icon disabled and still show up when we are logged into our LT account and click on TC to do editing work? Or do I just have to leave it disabled, so my patrons won't be able to find it and mess with my account settings?

Thanks,

Mary S.

Editing patron information

I am still having issues with this and now I have another problem. I have my Patron IDs set to be manually added. My sons was originally auto generated to be 2 so that is what I left it at. And we can not log into the books checked out to him without that 2 as an ID. Well somehow, I now have another 2 listed under patrons. I started to delete it however, we had a book checked out so I could not. And it was also giving me another error if I tried to delete, but I don't recall.

I have no idea how another patron got added with the 2 as the Patron name but it did.

Honestly, I had mine and my son Joseph set up in my Lending on LT before Beta Testing TC, so I don't know if that is part of the issue with me being able to edit us or not. I am going to see about just returning our books. And then deleting all of my patrons and seeing about starting all over anew now that TC is live.

I will watch for any updates on this, as I need to accomplish other tasks here at home before doing this, but I just wanted to share the issue.

Thanks,

Mary S.

>16 MarySchubert: Glad you found the patron account icon helpful!

>17 MarySchubert: If you're signed out of your admin account, your patrons can still sign in. There are four possibilities here:

1. Signed in to admin, not signed in to patron
2. Not signed in to admin, signed in to patron
3. Signed in to both admin and patron
4. Signed in to neither admin nor patron

You'll need to make sure you're using option #2 there, and then your son's account should not be able to reach the admin home. So, sign out of your admin account (sign out button lives here: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/), and then try it again?

Additionally, TinyCat is set up to automatically sign out both admin and patron accounts after a certain period of inactivity. There's no way to avoid that with patron accounts, but if you've got the "Keep me signed in" check box selected on the admin login screen, that would be why it's not automatically signing you out.

Re: Hiding the admin icon: even if you have that icon set to "hide," it will still display once you're signed in to the admin account, so you'll always be able to get back to your Admin Home. It just hides the icon from anyone not signed in as admin.

>18 MarySchubert: I suspect that you're right—it's a matter of your son's account being added before the latest release. However, that's still a bug we want to address, and one I ran into before. I may do some testing in your account on this one, so don't panic if you see a couple John/Jane Does pop up briefly.

>10 reading_fox: Once you've successfully signed up for TinyCat, you can log in to LibraryThing as you usually would, and you should see the little TinyCat logo appear in the top navigation bar, to the right of zeitgeist. Clicking that will take you to your TinyCat.

You can also use this URL to get there: http://www.librarycat.org/lib/reading_fox

>19 lorannen:

Re#18 I will leave my patron accounts alone for the moment so that you may play around with it and test the editing issue some more.

Re#17 I will hold on to this information for the moment and again let you play around with the patron portal to see if there are any other bugs.

Thanks for looking into this. I know we are live, but I am sure there are still lots of things to double check on, so I appreciate the time.

Mary S.

How do I delete my TinyCat page? I just wanted to see what it was about.

>22 mewt-books:

I don't think you can.

That said, what about the existence of your TinyCat page bothers you? Other people see your books in your LT catalog already, arguably more easily (since it's browsable, rather than just searching for a particular title or author.) You don't have to use it yourself if you don't want to, of course. You could make your LT account private, in which case your TinyCat page will also become inaccessible to others, but I don't think there's a way to make TinyCat private while maintaining a public LT page.

Some bugs I discovered:
1. I still can't edit patron names.
2. The "Ask About This" button does not show when a title has been checked out or placed on hold. That doesn't seem right.
3. I disabled the CHECK OUT button in my settings, but it's still showing.

I had mentioned in another post on the BETA group that I was unable to add new patrons or edit ID #s of existing patrons. I see that those two issues have now been fixed. Thanks!

I just wanted to test and see what it was. I don't need it since I already have an LT page. Also, LT allows me to delete this account, so why can't I delete TinyCat?

>25 mewt-books: We haven't gotten around to it yet, but I'm certain we'll be making a way to delete your TinyCat library sooner rather than later. Stay tuned for updates!

>24 FaithLib: Are you entirely unable to edit patron names at all? Can you edit anything else about patron records, just not names?

I'll investigate the Ask About This button, but here's an example of a checked out item in my TinyCat that is still showing it: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/lorannen/item/102292000

The disable check out button issue is a known bug. We're working on a fix! Thanks for your patience while we get that sorted.

>15 lorannen: >14 MrsLee:
This isn't the problem's solution. The covers are missing from our LT side. And that setting you talk about has always been set to "exact book".

Our uploaded covers were showing correctly until a few days ago. And I can't see any pattern to which ones have gone.

Hope your hayfever settles, MrsLee.

Blessings,
Bevianne

Thanks for the response.

>30 Collectorator: Sorry, I missed this yesterday. We have disabled the ability add background images at this point. I'm not sure we'll bring it back. I'm open to your thoughts on it!

>28 VicRML: You say uploaded covers. Does that mean you uploaded them? If so this is a big LT (not TinyCAT) bug.
If you chose Amazon covers on older books Amazon may no longer have them.

You can find the books easily by going to Stats/mems from your home page or profile. Upper left hand menu 'Book Covers'. There are certainly many books in there that show either no image or a standard image on Amazon.

>32 MarthaJeanne:
Yes, I have photographed over 1,500 books and uploaded the cover photos when the sources I use in adding books didn't have the right cover.

I avoid Amazon as much as possible, and have even deleted Amazon books and added them manually to clean up some problems like wrong ISBNs and covers that have nothing to do with the book in question.

And many of our books are very old, so nobody but our library has any covers for them.

Any Pendle Hill Pamphlets in our collection should have the correct covers showing as I spent many days - weeks, even - getting that collection in A1 order. It's especially discouraging to see them pop up in that brown non-cover.

>34 VicRML:

If this is a bug, it's an LT bug, not specific to TinyCat, and should be posted to the Bug Collectors group.

Here's one of your Pendle Hill pamphlets that shows the brown default cover in your LT catalog (proving that this is not a TinyCat bug:

https://www.librarything.com/work/6182661/book/121060339

There is a member-uploaded cover that exists for that work, but it is not being used on your book. Based on the lack of information about who uploaded it and when, it must have been uploaded prior to early 2010 when that information started to be tracked. I spot-checked a few other covers in that collection, and it looks like the ones that are showing up are those that you uploaded yourself, and the ones that aren't showing up are ones that other members uploaded. Is it possible that at some point you chose not to show default member-uploaded covers, but only those you explicitly selected? (I seem to remember this is possible but can't find where to do so at the moment.) If I look at your Cover Stats page

https://www.librarything.com/profile/VicRML/stats/covers

I see that it's showing no default member-uploads.

>35 lorax: I'm working with VicRML on this issue in another thread, so I think we've got it covered. The exact problems they've been having are sort of an intersection of TinyCat and LT.

>36 lorannen:

I'm sorry. That thread was not visible to me, or I would not have attempted to help. (puts thread on ignore so as to avoid inadvertently butting in again)

>37 lorax: No worries! I knew you wouldn't be able to see it (not sure why I still decided to link it earlier—blame lack of caffeine yet this morning). I appreciate your help! Just wanted to let you know that this bug (or series of bugs) is under control.

>24 FaithLib: And others: disabling the "Place hold" and "Check out" buttons should be working properly now. If you'd like to disable both/either of those buttons, you can do so in your Circulation Settings: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings/circsettings

These are probabaly "technically notabug", but UI infelicities nonetheless. At least on Win7/FF45.

1. Genre stickiness:
   - Go to a results page like this: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/omargosh/search/text/diccionario
   - Click a Genre, like "Home & Garden".
   - Use the browser's back (button or Alt-arrow) to return to the results page
   - Note that "Home & Garden" remains highlighted.
   - Optional confusion: Click on H&G again while it's still highlighted. I thought it would take me to H&G again, but it just reloads the current page w/o the highlight.
   • 1.5 Genre accuracy:
     - Those 4 dictionaries in "Home & Garden" don't have anything to do homes, or gardens (besides that I kept those books in my home). So I share others' questions in the other thread about where those are from and if they're customizable/hideable.
2. Bottom sort menu:
   - Go to a page w/ plenty of results, e.g. https://www.librarycat.org/lib/omargosh/search/text/diccionario
   - Scroll all the way to the bottom
   - Click the sort menu at bottom right ("relevancy" or whichever it's currently set on)
   - Note that the menu goes below the visible page, so it's not even really clear that you've opened a dropdown menu.

>40 omargosh: Confirmed bug #2 on multiple browsers. Good catch, and thanks!

Bug #1 I'm only see on my Firefox. Reporting both to the developers!

ETA: I don't think 1.5 is a bug, necessarily, but Tim's not here (at PLA) to confirm for me how genres are populated. I'll have to come back to this one.

I think I mentioned this problem elsewhere already, but it might be nice to have it here as well:

When a patron does a search, clicks through on a title to the detail page, clicks "Place Hold" and then hits the back button to see other titles, the title that was just placed on hold now shows as AVAILABLE again (though it is already recorded on the admin end as being on hold). This will be really confusing for (some) people, I think. They'll keep repeating the steps over and over.

It doesn't seem that the same thing happens when the hold is placed from the details page.

Please help take a look at this!

>27 lorannen: The Ask About This button doesn't show on a "holded" :-) item on the search results page, but does show on the item's details page.

I am now able to edit patron names. Looks like the issue got fixed!

>42 FaithLib: I'm not seeing this bug at all—if I follow those steps, the item shows up at "On Hold" when I return to search results. Can you remind me what browser/operating system combination you're using?

>43 FaithLib: I'm also not seeing this issue. Here's a counter-example in my library, currently on hold, but you can still see the Ask About This button: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/lorannen/search/text/raising+steam. Let me know if you're not seeing the Ask About This button at that link. That would indicate there's a display issue. I haven't found any settings that should be hiding Ask About This if the item is unavailable.

>44 lorannen: Chrome on Windows 8.

I can see ASK ABOUT THIS on your example there, but let me know how I can send you screenshots so you see what I'm seeing on my library for both issues.

ETA: Update: I now see that if I click on the title of the item on hold and go to the detail page and then click on "back to search results" I do see it as being on hold and the ask about this button is also visible, but not if I just hit the back button on my browser, which, I'm afraid is what most people will do. Also, I still don't see the Ask about this button on the search results page immediately after I place a hold on the book from there.

Probably notabug, but anyway:

If I find one of my books in my tinycat library:

https://www.librarycat.org/lib/bnielsen/item/80263423

I get to see five reviews - none of them my own - and no indication that there are more and when I click on MARC view hoping to see my own review I get

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>45 FaithLib: I now see that if I click on the title of the item on hold and go to the detail page and then click on "back to search results" I do see it as being on hold and the ask about this button is also visible, but not if I just hit the back button on my browser, which, I'm afraid is what most people will do

I'm afraid that's just how internet browsers work; that is the back button gives you the previous page exactly as it was. The browser doesn't send anything to the server when this happens so LT can't do anything about it. People who use browser need to be taught that if they want to see an updated page after hitting the back button, in any web application, they're going to have to hit the refresh button.

>47 jjwilson61: I see. Thanks.

But the other issues still remain.

New issue: If I try to check a book in, and the barcode field happens to be set to BARCODE, as opposed to patron, it doesn't let me check it in or even mark it as available. It asks for the patron barcode. This doesn't happen if it's set to PATRON.

Not clear why one would need to enter a barcode to check a book *in* and why it would be required when set to barcode, but not when set to patron.

Help?

>48 FaithLib: A better solution might be to have the Place Hold button automatically take the user back to the search page, if they got there by search page (since it must know since there is a back to search button). But maybe that would be annoying since the user might still want to look at other things on the detail page.

>50 jjwilson61: That might work. I might just have to educate my patrons

>49 FaithLib: Interesting, I'll have to test that out! Good catch.

>49 FaithLib: Tested and confirmed.

For developers, To reproduce:
1. Go to https://www.librarycat.org/admin/checkinout
2. Make sure your "Patron | Barcode" field is set to "Barcode".
3. Enter any book, and select the "Returned" status. "Patron | Barcode" field should hide from view.
4. Click "Save".
Bug: Even though the "Patron | Barcode" field is hidden, you're still given the pop-up that the "Patron barcode is blank.", and it won't let you save the "Returned" status to your book/s.

Screenshot:

>19 lorannen:

1st, Patron editing seems to have been fixed, thank you. I was able to edit everyone in my patrons account. Also, I had my settings to show first and last names in separate fields and that is working as well now. There had been a pop up window asking me if I was sure I wanted to change "Mary" to "Mary Schubert" the other day and that did not show up last night when I worked on this. I don't know if that warning was removed to fix the bug or not. For some larger libraries with possible multi admin it might be useful to keep the pop up window question, I don't know.

2nd, I still had my random new patron named 2 still up, so I just deleted it, even though there were books checked out. It turned to (No Name) and after clicking on another patron field it finally gave me an edit icon to click and totally delete it all together. I just rechecked the book out under my son's name. So, I was at least able to eliminate it.

3rd, Administration log in and log off. Okay, so forgive me for not seeing the big Sign Out button on our TC admin page. When I signed out of my account then I was not able to log into Admin when signed on with my son's patron account. However, as I believe you mentioned to me Lorannen, If on my computer, I leave myself checked box to stay signed in, it will bring up my sign in page and my family could sign in to Admin on my computer, even if they had been on their log in. So, today, I had a chance to go to the children's computer and double check. I was not able to log in to Admin on my son's account, by clicking on the security lock button in the bottom right corner. At least now I know on a different computer, without my password they could not log in.

**** I will say though, if the security lock button is clicked, my user name still popped up and was visible, it just had to have the password to enter. I am not sure I want my user name showing up for everyone that goes to my catalog site. Is there still another way for us to turn this off? Is it something in my settings? I really don't want to tell my personal computer to not leave me signed on, as I have difficulty remembering my own password exactly without looking it up. - On the computer admin log in page I do not have "Keep me signed in" check box selected, just on my LT login page. I generally just got to TC from my LibraryThing icon.

4th, I still need to figure out where to set the passwords. I know the # on the edit section says something there, but it would be nice if there was something on the patron account page. I don't know enough about setting up passwords from the database side versus the user side, so to speak. So, I will have to play around with it. At the moment, I don't have my login for my patrons set for them to need passwords.

Thanks,

Mary S.

I put some text above & below the search box and the display (accessing via iPhone 6, Safari) is not right. The text is obscured by the search box.

Image here:

http://www.librarything.com/pic/5270926

>54 MarySchubert: your username showing may be a browser feature. Try in incognito mode.

The date picker does not open for me when I am trying to check out to a patron. FF 45.0.1

>56 JerryMmm: Thanks! I will have to see if my husband can help me with this one. I appreciate the suggestion.

Mary

When I go to click on one of our books it says Item not found.? is this a bug?

>59 fbcnwlibrary:

Depends. Which book?

I will say though, if the security lock button is clicked, my user name still popped up and was visible, it just had to have the password to enter. I am not sure I want my user name showing up for everyone that goes to my catalog site.

Your user name is also your library URL. It's basic to the system that TinyCat and LibraryThing are related--that TinyCat is a presentation of a LibraryThing catalog. Similarly, the books on TinyCat use the same IDs that the books on LibraryThing do. For good or ill, that's how it has to be.

There's only one that pops up. But the others just come up with a white page saying page not found? I relly like tiny cat but I don't see why they can't put a button that shows your whole collection.

There's only one that pops up. But the others just come up with a white page saying page not found? I relly like tiny cat but I don't see why they can't put a button that shows your whole collection.

Okay, I need specifics. What book, where? Post a link, or a title, or something?

As to browsing, I understand why you want it. But the goal of TinyCat is to be a library catalog--none of which have a browse option. I can see the case for providing one, but our first goal is to be a great library catalog. That might not entirely jibe with what personal members want.

When I go to https://www.librarycat.org/lib/fbcnwlibrary I should be able to click on one of them books going across the screen and bring up its info Right? Some books work others don't and I had no idea you where the inventor of library thing sorry for what I said.
And I have been waiting for a tiny cat ever since the first post and we are a church library if that helps.

>60 timspalding:
Tim, thank you for answering my question about my username staying visible on the login. I had wondered if it stayed visible, just because my username is basically the same as my library URL. I think it mostly caught me off guard, because I see that as a security log in and I have not clicked the save information in that location so figured it would not show my user name. If it needs to be left as is, I understand.

Thanks. Hope your trip is going well.

Mary

>65 fbcnwlibrary:

Got it. Thanks. There's a bug where the flowing widget is showing books outside your chosen collections. I know @CCatalfo had a bug about this, so I'm leaving it for him to look at.

Report for @ccatalfo: The home page has some titles that aren't on their TC, presumably because of collection-selection. See the book "Spring!" which is https://www.librarycat.org/lib/fbcnwlibrary

>66 MarySchubert:

By the way, there's a setting at the bottom of https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings that hides the lock icon.

ThankYou!

>66 MarySchubert: Your username is exactly your library URL, LT is not one of the sites where you have a login name and a separate display name, there is only one. So while this in general may be a security-lacking thing, it is nothing to do with TC. Everyone who sees you here, on Talk or your catalog or whatever, knows what your username is, because that is how you show up everywhere here.

>68 timspalding: - Tim, Thanks. I did know I could hide the lock icon. But others may not have known that. I had chosen to leave it visible for now. Partially, I had to adjust because on Beta, I think the house just showed the entire time, since we were just logged in to Admin entirely. And since I had it set for personal, we only had a day or so when I could access the full patron portals, to see any difference.

I do like the fact that when I log into my Admin, the lock changes to a house icon. Now that I know it is there and what it is for, it is helpful for me, especially since we have multiple computers in our home and multiple users on my computer (possibly.). I prefer to stay logged in to my Admin, but there are times when I need to log out of my Admin to deal with another patron - my children- and it is helpful to see those icons.

I know the icons can be daunting to some and I think a simple menu key instruction on the Wiki-help will be useful. I am more of a visual learner, which is why it was helpful to Beta Test, because I could see what I needed to look for.

Thanks,
Mary

>70 .Monkey.:

True. Honestly, I am still fairly new to LT and all the talk aspects. Only getting slightly immersed with TC testing, so I did not realize how visible my username would be when I signed up on LT a year ago.

I chose to leave the admin icon visible, for my own usage, and on my computer I wasn't surprised to see the sign in widow pop up with my name on my computer, because I stay signed into my LT account on my computer. However, switching to another computer where I don't stay logged in to LT, to have the possibility of a patron accidently clicking on the lock icon and get my Username to pop up (whether it is known by all on LT or not) and think that is where they need to log into their account, was a little disconcerting. It reminds me why it is important to have a strong, difficult to decipher password.

Now that I am aware, there could be some potential for error on a future patrons part, I might hide the admin login icon from view. We will see. Until I have my thousand+ books fully cataloged and I am ready to openly share my collection with outsiders, I will continue to just play with the patron portals with my children, who already are use to the public library's online catalog and reserve system. Believe it or not, we loose books in our house and making them responsible for checking out and learning to return their books to my shelves will be very beneficial to all at home.

I apologize, if the main reason for responses such as: "So while this in general may be a security-lacking thing, it is nothing to do with TC" is because I put this under the (Bug) heading. Since I was in the testers group, we freely shared on that talk any questions we had about what we were seeing on the screens. Tim switched things over to this LT group, which I have never been on before, and so at the moment the only place I new to type this was under the bug heading or possibly, TC Live.

I would like to know how to bold type or italicize, on these talk sites. I don't see any icons to click on to change my typesetting, but I see others use bold and italics.

Thanks,

Mary S.

>72 MarySchubert: You can find out all about italic, underline and bold (and other neat things) on this thread:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/177029

>72 MarySchubert: It's a thread for issues people are having with it, whether they turn out to be legit bugs or not, I doubt anyone really minds it being here. But since you seemed a bit confused by it, I figured I ought to help straighten things out. Also, in case you were unaware, you can change your name if you've decided that having your actual name (assuming that is what your username is) as a publicly displayed name isn't what you want.

And yes, as Taphophile indicates, there's no WYSIWGs here, you have to use HTML if you want to do things to your text.

>73 Taphophile13:

Thanks for the link. I copied it to my notes for further reading at a later time tonight, or so.

Mary

>74 .Monkey.:

Thanks, I will look at Taphophile's link suggestion. It is also nice to know I could change my user name if I want to. I don't recall when I signed up on LT if it told me that my user name would display as it does or not. Thanks for your help.

Mary

>1 timspalding: Wouldn't TinyCat bugs really be fleas?

>76 MarySchubert: Well, it "tells" you by not having a secondary place to enter a display name. In such a case, you should always assume that the name you're choosing will be visible. It's possible there will be a place for display names later in the settings after signing up, but that is far less common, so if it's something you're concerned about then that would be a good rule of thumb to go by. But yeah it's in the settings, there's an option for something like "change/delete" and a field you can submit a namechange.

And just so you know, you don't need to make new posts for each reply if you're responding to more than one post at the same time. ;)

>72 MarySchubert: >73 Taphophile13: Thank you so much! I've been wanting this kind of information for over a year, and it's too awful to contemplate trawling through squillions of threads and posts to figure out where it is.

Blessings,
Bevianne

>79 VicRML: Aside of doing a simple search on here - not trawling through everything, you could have also simply searched via a search engine for how to do basic HTML, or, asked and received the same answer ages ago yourself.

I found the problem if the box (Make this book private this is a beta feature) at the bottom of edit your book is checked the books will not let me check out/in or even bring up its info Thanks for you help! And is there a way I can uncheck this from all of the books?

>81 fbcnwlibrary:

Okay, none of your books should be private?

I am not the one who enters the books I have no idea why she did that Thanks anyway!

>83 fbcnwlibrary:

Sorry. I'm trying to get a confirmation. I can make them all public, but you have to tell me specifically to do so. I don't want to make all your books public if you didn't want that.

I have been unchecking for 1 hour you have my confirmation

>85 fbcnwlibrary:

Ugh. Sorry.

I'll do it now.

Thank You!

All of them are off in library thing but when I go to tiny cat I can't find the ones that you just did?

Can you give me an example?

I have barcodes on all the books the auto ones like the first book we ever put in is a 1 when I hit check-in/check-out and type 1 or even the title which is The Lunatic, nothing came up It says my records are 447 when I have 1817 books in library thing?

Okay, I'll figure it out later tonight, but I've got to go to dinner now.

Ok, I need a break to, enjoy your dinner!

Good. All set now—thanks.

Yay!!!!!!!! Thank you!

You sure?

Example: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/fbcnwlibrary/search/text/lunatic

Okay, good. Should be good.

My catalog number is the same as library thing and I can search for books barcodes!

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

>55 klarusu: Fixed.

>98 anglemark: Fixed.

I spend some time with this yesterday on my other account. I tried to set the default status to UNAVAILABLE, but after I did that, I couldn't change individual items to anything else. So I set the default status to AVAILABLE and then went in to change what needed changing individually. Which, of course, was a pain.

Before I sink more time into this, am I doing something wrong, or is it a bug?

I played around a bit more with the status settings. If I set the default to AVAILABLE, then do a mass change to a custom setting (DEACCESSIONED, in my tests), when I go back to the records they still show AVAILABLE.

I can change each record individually, but that's a lot of records.

>102 PhaedraB: Are you hitting your browser's "back" button to go back to the records? If so, that may be the issue (and not something we can fix). Try refreshing the page, and see if they're still showing an incorrect status?

>103 lorannen: No, I set the default from the Settings module, then from the check out/in module I (attempt to) make the bulk change. Then I search for the same term(s) from the search bar at the top of the page or from the home page to see if it worked. Nope. No back buttons anywhere in the process.

Also, on some of the Settings, changes just don't stick.

Example: under Settings>Circulation, I repeatedly set the default circulation period to "No default." I hit save, it says settings saved, but the drop-down menu option still displays "14 days," not "No default."

And >57 AnnieMod: is working today. So thanks for fixing whatever it was.

>65 fbcnwlibrary: I haven't been able to find any book links from the homepage widget that fail (including Spring!). Are you still seeing this problem? If so, can you give me another example that, when clicking the title on the homepage widget, fails to work?

>101 PhaedraB: and >102 PhaedraB:

Okay, I'm looking at this now. It looks like you're trying to:
1. Set the custom Lending status to "Available" on https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings/circsettings.
2. Go to https://www.librarycat.org/admin/checkinout.
3. Add various items/books to your list and apply your custom "Deaccessioned" Lending status to them. Click "Save".
4. Go to any of those items' Detail pages, by searching from the check in/out page or home page.
BUG: the items' Lending statuses (in the Status section) are still showing as "Available", NOT "Deaccessioned".

Correct? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to reproduce this yet.

What specific books are you seeing this happen on in your library? Also, what search terms are you using to add them to the check in/out page AND to verify their lending statuses after the change is made? Finally, what operating system and web browser are you using? I'd like to test this specifically on your setup.

>105 PhaedraB: Confirmed, I'm seeing this as well! The "No default" Lending status Setting on https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings/circsettings is not sticking. I'll make an official report to developers and we'll work on it. Thanks.

>107 ccatalfo: I did look at the link when fbcnwlibrary reported this and saw the problem but it seems to be working now for what as the best as I can recall are the same books.

>110 jjwilson61: Thanks - I'll wait to hear from @fbcnwlibrary to be sure but that's good to know.

ccatalfo jjwilson61- I fixed my problem by turning off the (Private) Box at- Make a private book (this is a beta feature) under edit my book. timspalding turned it off on all my books and they did not go in tiny cat he fixed it now but if you were to do it manually it will work.

If that box is clicked no check-out no barcodes nothing in tiny cat.

And yes ccatalfo I fixed my problem

And one more thing ccatalfo do you have any plans for releasing any more barcodes now that tiny cat is out I know the other ones would work but they looked to small? and it said for a (personal library)? I have a church library about 10,000 titles.

>112 fbcnwlibrary:

Ccatalfo: However, we should make the widget not include private books. Did you do that already?

releasing any more barcodes now that tiny cat

Do you mean the barcode stickers, literally?

Yes, Like a bigger barcode? or a different size?

more numbers bigger, or larger dimensions?

>113 fbcnwlibrary: If you're concerned about the numbers not fitting on the barcode, I've got them tested up to 6-7 digits (I can't recall the last time I tested). Plenty for a library with up to 20,000 items. The actual size of the labels isn't planned on being changed, if that helps.

Thank's for your help! kristilabrie and JerryMmm! I was just wondering :-)

>105 PhaedraB:

I repeatedly set the default circulation period to "No default." I hit save, it says settings saved, but the drop-down menu option still displays "14 days," not "No default."

Fixed. I removed the "no default" option.

>119 timspalding: But I don't want a default. How does that help?

If there's no default then what does it default to? It has to default to something.

14 days.

But I don't want a default. How does that help?

I guess the alternative is to have no default, and then, if you try to submit, it says "Sorry, you must change the period to a number." I find that more intrusive and annoying than having a default.

Maybe she wants the default to be infinity?

:)

>122 timspalding: >123 jjwilson61: >124 timspalding: Seriously, that's closer to what I want. Something like, Indefinite or x years.

I'm loaning to friends and students, so expressing things in days is not what I'm looking for.

Okay, right. It's not really no default period that you want, it's that you don't want it set to a period at all.

>126 timspalding: Yes! I mean, yes I don't!

No period. Sort of like library menopause.

>127 PhaedraB: *snort*

>127 PhaedraB: Thanks for the laugh. I needed that. :)

I'm changing the status of some of my books today in my other account (@ibonewits) but I'm having a problem with the date picker.

If I click on the date picker, nothing happens. I have to type in each date.

>130 PhaedraB: Yes, I'm sorry. That is a known bug. We've got a fix ready, and should be able to make it live by tomorrow.

>131 lorannen: Thanks for the prompt reply :-)

>130 PhaedraB: The date-picker issue should be resolved now—tested it myself this morning. Thanks for reporting, and my apologies for the inconvenience.

>133 lorannen: Thanks. I'll check it out this evening.

From reading replies and my own observations, private books appear to be public in TinyCat! Certainly books were appearing when the front covers were scrolling (when I was not logged in) that I had set to private.

I don't know why a system would be designed to publically display information that is set to private (I can't see anyway of amending this) and so I have disabled TinyCat

>135 ClivePower:

Private books is a beta feature (if you look at the edit page, the warning about that is next to the checkbox) - it is not guaranteed to work unfortunately. LT may decide to fix the showing in TinyCat but I suspect that this is the root cause of this - private books can show up in a lot of places.

Never use anything that says "this is in beta" if you want a guarantee of it working properly. Even excluding TC, people have reported issues with making them private making books get eaten by the system, sooo yeah.

>135 ClivePower: Could you put those books in a "Private" collection on LT and have TC exclude that collection?

>138 Taphophile13: They would have to only be in excluded collections, they couldn't belong in any regular ones or they'd still count.

>139 .Monkey.: You get around that problem by reversing it. You create a TinyCat collection and allow only that collection on TC. That way any books that you don't put in the TinyCat collection won't be in TC and it doesn't matter what other collections they're also in.

That's essentially what I have myself, anyhow. I made a collection a while ago specifically for "connections" and unticked nearly everything else, heh.

>135 ClivePower: >136 AnnieMod: is right. I've notified developers and will report back with any updates, should they consider it a real bug (or just that "private books are in beta")! Thanks.

Thanks for the responses. I take the point about beta.

>142 kristilabrie:

The bug is slightly more tricky. You can't get to or see private books, but they are showing up in the scrolling widget on a library's home page. Clicking on them there takes you to a "nothing found" page.

This bug was noted, although from the other direction--a user was complaining books were not accessible. (They had mistakenly made them private.) I have escalated the bug, which is very much something @chriscatalfo should handle.

Okay, private books should no longer be showing up on the TinyCat homepage widget. If you see a bug with this, please let us know!

I'm not sure if this is actually a bug or just my not understanding how things work in TinyCat vs LT. I added links to my TinyCat homepage to my collections for books read in 2016 and also for my 5-star books. When I clicked through on the 5-star books link, I noticed that the number of books listed in TinyCat for that collection is 41, but the number of books in that collection in LibraryThing is 42. By process of elimination it appears the missing book is Confronting the American Dream: Nicaragua under U.S. Imperial Rule. It's in my LT catalog but searching for it in TinyCat comes up blank even from the general search bar.

I checked the Content settings in TC and can't see anything there that would prevent this book from showing up. I haven't done a complete cross-check of all the books in my LT library with TC, so I have no idea if other books are also missing from TC that should be there.

Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome!

That book appears to be the only one in your 5-star Collection that's also on your Wishlist, which you haven't selected to show on TinyCat. It looks like a bug, we're looking into it!

Correction: Your 5-star AND your Wishlist Collections are not selected to display on your Basics Settings page. Select to show your 5-star Collection, and you should be all set.

>147 kristilabrie: Thanks! I honestly thought I had clicked to show the 5-star collection, but I must not have hit the Save Changes button.

Funny you said that, because I thought I saw the same thing when I checked your account the first time. Heh. :)

Ha! So I'm not crazy. Or we both are. :-)

To quote one of my favorite books, "we're all mad here"! I kid.

>151 kristilabrie: or you get that way after a while... ;-)

Not so much a bug, but I've been having trouble finding an answer to what I feel is a pretty simple question. We run an in-house library for our family and guests, and I've set up four patron accounts as a trial run, I'm just wondering:

is there a way to allow patrons to check their own books back in, alternatively, is there an easier way to check books back in which does not necessarily require access to the other admin features?

I've noticed that when my browser (FF, Win7, at least) window is ~930-970px wide, the curled-up cat icon gets covered up, like so:

>154 omargosh: The code that removes the LibraryThing logo on the left side of the toolbar when the window gets too narrow didn't get updated when the TC logo was added to the toolbar. (Also the code the reduces the size of the toolbar font when the window gets even narrower).

>154 omargosh: Your cat likes to hide under a blanket.

>155 jjwilson61: Yeah, I figure it should be a simple fix of changing some @media query max-width somewhere in the CSS.

>156 Taphophile13: It's a shy, (over)lap cat.

>153 anathemamask: Unfortunately, we don't have a "self-return" feature on TinyCat. You'll need to mark books as returned when you're logged in as a library admin only, I'm afraid. If we were to add something like that, I suspect it won't happen anytime soon. Sorry for the trouble.

>157 omargosh: Snort, an (over)lap cat :) good catch! Thanks, I'll let our developers know!

Thanks for the reply! Will just have to keep my eyes peeled. :)

Hello, is there any cap on the patron import? I want to import about 5k people, but it get only error 500. I tried to cut the import file down to 80 people, and it worked. Do I have import the 5k people import by 80-80?
Thank you,
Daniel Takacs

Error 500 sounds like this is still a left over from yesterday's problems.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/229174

>160 bukkonyvtar: How big was your patron import file? In the file upload pop-up, it says we've got a 2MB file max size for uploading. If your file was over that, then you'd get an error. Otherwise, this could be yesterday's issues at play. If so, please email me your patron import file (to tinycat@librarything.com) and I'll take a look on my end! Thanks!

>117 kristilabrie: The need I've found for larger physical label size is that we need to cover up the existing ISBN barcode, so that we use the LT barcode instead (e.g. for multiple copies of a book in the library, or really for every other reason you'd want LT barcodes in the first place instead of just using the ISBN). Some of the existing ISBN barcodes are 1" tall.

>163 cesdemo: I see. Unfortunately, we aren't planning on changing the size of our barcodes anytime soon, so you may need to black out the old barcodes with markers before re-labeling them, or remove the labels (if that's easier for you). Sorry for the inconvenience!

Or first cover the old codes with a bigger blank label.

Yeah, larger blank labels is probably simplest.

I am having issues editing patron accounts. Is there a reason admin would not have access to edit patron accounts?

>167 The_Lions_Mane: Sorry you're having trouble making edits. If you're logged in as the account admin, you should have access to everything, including editing patron accounts. Can you send me an email, at tinycat@librarything.com, with more details? Specifically:

- Where are you trying to edit your patron accounts from? Example URLs will be useful.
- What specific patron names have you tried to edit, and what edits are you attempting?
- Are you seeing any error messages throughout the edit attempt/s, and if so, what do they say?
- Finally, what device/operating system and web browser are you using to attempt your patron account edits?

Once I have more specifics, I can test things out on my end to make sure they're working properly for you. Thanks!