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1Molly3028
The folks who left the GOP last year were heroes and heroines ~
they foresaw the downward spiral the party was locked into.
The Trump era has attracted a much needed spotlight onto the
mindset of GOPers and the FOX News folks.
they foresaw the downward spiral the party was locked into.
The Trump era has attracted a much needed spotlight onto the
mindset of GOPers and the FOX News folks.
2barney67
Downward spiral? Hmm. Shall we look at the facts here for a change? I know it's more fun to live in Cloud Cuckooland.
The Republican Party is stronger that it has been in a v. long time. How will I prove that? Let's watch.
Republicans today hold the presidency and both houses of Congress.
A conservative has been appointed to the Supreme Court, which is as easy to accomplish as flying by flapping your arms.
Republican governors in 33 out of 50 states.
Republicans control 67 of 98 state legislatures, the most since the Republican Party was founded in 1854.
In 33 states, they have majorites in both state legislatures.
In 24 states, they control both chambers of the legislature in addition to the governor's house.
Anyone else want to get smacked down?
The Republican Party is stronger that it has been in a v. long time. How will I prove that? Let's watch.
Republicans today hold the presidency and both houses of Congress.
A conservative has been appointed to the Supreme Court, which is as easy to accomplish as flying by flapping your arms.
Republican governors in 33 out of 50 states.
Republicans control 67 of 98 state legislatures, the most since the Republican Party was founded in 1854.
In 33 states, they have majorites in both state legislatures.
In 24 states, they control both chambers of the legislature in addition to the governor's house.
Anyone else want to get smacked down?
4davidgn
It gets more depressing.
What Greg Gianforte's win in Montana taught Washington
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/politics/gianforte-montana-win-meaning/
What Greg Gianforte's win in Montana taught Washington
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/politics/gianforte-montana-win-meaning/
62wonderY
U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media
“It’s really quite amazing when you think that freedom of the press, not only a cornerstone of the Constitution but very much something the United States defended over the years, is now itself under attack from the president himself,” Mr. al-Hussein said. “It’s a stunning turnaround.”
“It’s really quite amazing when you think that freedom of the press, not only a cornerstone of the Constitution but very much something the United States defended over the years, is now itself under attack from the president himself,” Mr. al-Hussein said. “It’s a stunning turnaround.”
7John5918
>2 barney67: (and >5 Carnophile:) The Republican Party is stronger that it has been in a v. long time
Nobody can dispute that the Repubican Party is in power, as your list demonstrates. But (and this is a genuine question asked in ignorance by a foreigner who you believe, from past exchanges, knows nothing about the USA) is that the same as the Party being strong? It seems that internally the Republican Party is reallly struggling at the moment and that it is pretty disunited. Does that constitute being "stronger than it has been in a v. long time"?
Nobody can dispute that the Repubican Party is in power, as your list demonstrates. But (and this is a genuine question asked in ignorance by a foreigner who you believe, from past exchanges, knows nothing about the USA) is that the same as the Party being strong? It seems that internally the Republican Party is reallly struggling at the moment and that it is pretty disunited. Does that constitute being "stronger than it has been in a v. long time"?
9southernbooklady
>7 John5918: Given the lack of coherent vision or leadership in either major American political party, the only way to measure either's "strength" is in the number of elected offices they hold. The raison d'etre of either party is not to advance a particular policy. It's to hold political office. The former is always willingly sacrificed for the latter.
10Carnophile
>6 2wonderY:
How DARE you criticize the media!?!?!?! They are godlike and beyond reproach! No mere mortal may presume to point out their shortcomings!
And when we in the media attack someone, that's normal, healthy and good, but if anyone presumes to critique us, that's incitement to violence! And an attack on freedom of the press! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!
How DARE you criticize the media!?!?!?! They are godlike and beyond reproach! No mere mortal may presume to point out their shortcomings!
And when we in the media attack someone, that's normal, healthy and good, but if anyone presumes to critique us, that's incitement to violence! And an attack on freedom of the press! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!
11John5918
>10 Carnophile:
There is a difference between "attack" on the one hand and "criticise" and "critique" on the other. If I recall from other threads, both Barney and yourself have approved of physical assaults on journalists.
There is a difference between "attack" on the one hand and "criticise" and "critique" on the other. If I recall from other threads, both Barney and yourself have approved of physical assaults on journalists.
12Carnophile
Read the piece linked in 6. The UN idiot wasn't talking about Trump physically assaulting reporters, which he has never done. He was talking about Trump daring - daring! - to criticize reporters.
13John5918
>12 Carnophile:
Yes, I read it. If you notice, the opening framing paragraph speaks of "incitement to violence", which is precisely what I mentioned in my >11 John5918:. It is not speaking about fair criticism.
It also makes the interesting point that the USA, which many people in the world still look up to as an exemplar, is now setting a "potentially dangerous" example to the world, where authoritarian governments of various sorts are just itching to suppress freedom of speech - "freedom of the press, not only a cornerstone of the Constitution but very much something the United States defended over the years, is now itself under attack from the president himself".
Yes, I read it. If you notice, the opening framing paragraph speaks of "incitement to violence", which is precisely what I mentioned in my >11 John5918:. It is not speaking about fair criticism.
It also makes the interesting point that the USA, which many people in the world still look up to as an exemplar, is now setting a "potentially dangerous" example to the world, where authoritarian governments of various sorts are just itching to suppress freedom of speech - "freedom of the press, not only a cornerstone of the Constitution but very much something the United States defended over the years, is now itself under attack from the president himself".
14Carnophile
>13 John5918: If you notice, the opening framing paragraph speaks of "incitement to violence"
Yes, I know it says that. The fact that someone says that doesn't make it true.
It is typical of the left that accusing someone of being racist and of colluding with a foreign government to overturn our election is not called incitement to violence, but daring to criticize the media is called that.
As for me and Barney, why you mentioned us in that context is mysterious. The head of the UN hasn't mentioned me or Barney yet, that I know of.
the USA... is now setting a "potentially dangerous" example to the world
It isn't. The fact that some UN beaureacrat says it doesn't make it true.
Yes, I know it says that. The fact that someone says that doesn't make it true.
It is typical of the left that accusing someone of being racist and of colluding with a foreign government to overturn our election is not called incitement to violence, but daring to criticize the media is called that.
As for me and Barney, why you mentioned us in that context is mysterious. The head of the UN hasn't mentioned me or Barney yet, that I know of.
the USA... is now setting a "potentially dangerous" example to the world
It isn't. The fact that some UN beaureacrat says it doesn't make it true.
15margd
Feds: Man threatened to kill CNN employees
Jonathan Carlson | Jan 23, 2018
A Michigan man was arrested after an FBI investigation, accused of threatening to travel to Atlanta to commit mass murder at CNN headquarters.
...19 year-old Brandon Griesemer made 22 calls to CNN about a week ago.
It began with claims of "fake news" and ended with threats of violence.
...Griesemer is also accused of making derogatory comments regarding the Islamic Center in Ann Arbor in September of 2017.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/37323169/feds-man-threatened-to-kill-cnn-employees
(FYI, the Islamic Center of Ann Arbor actively reaches out to larger community: open houses--great food, btw--and its imam participates in joint services at other houses of worship--a former one of mine at least.)
Jonathan Carlson | Jan 23, 2018
A Michigan man was arrested after an FBI investigation, accused of threatening to travel to Atlanta to commit mass murder at CNN headquarters.
...19 year-old Brandon Griesemer made 22 calls to CNN about a week ago.
It began with claims of "fake news" and ended with threats of violence.
...Griesemer is also accused of making derogatory comments regarding the Islamic Center in Ann Arbor in September of 2017.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/37323169/feds-man-threatened-to-kill-cnn-employees
(FYI, the Islamic Center of Ann Arbor actively reaches out to larger community: open houses--great food, btw--and its imam participates in joint services at other houses of worship--a former one of mine at least.)
16RickHarsch
There is also the point that Trump's tendency to publicly tell lies on virtually a daily basis is damaging, ultimately to him. His demagoguery though is what the UN official linked in 6 is referring to. So it's not just being an inveterate lying, but the reasons he lies, the people he knows are loving his lies. This is all obvious, so it's unfortunate that margd had readily available an example of how it works.
