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2018 MysteryCAT General thread

2018 Category Challenge

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1VivienneR
Edited: Dec 10, 2017, 11:37am Top



Welcome to the MysteryCAT general thread.

After the planning stage, this thread will be used to announce each month's challenge and to deal with any general comments or questions.

This challenge is open to anyone who wants to participate. Take part in as many or as few months as you wish, no obligation. Just have fun reading.

These are the hosts for each month:

January: Nordic Mysteries hosted by sushicat
February: Female Cop/Sleuth/Detective hosted by LittleTaiko
March: Global Mysteries hosted by VivienneR
April: Classic and Golden Age Mysteries hosted by mathgirl40
May: Mysteries involving Transit hosted by rabbitprincess
June: True Crime hosted by LibraryCin
July: Police Procedurals hosted by DeltaQueen50
August: Historical Mysteries hosted by majkia
September: Noir and Hard-Boiled Mysteries hosted by RidgewayGirl
October: Espionage hosted by MissWatson
November: Cozy Mysteries hosted by virginiahomeschooler
December: Futuristic/Fantastical Mysteries hosted by LisaMorr

The format, audio, graphic novel, etc., is up to the reader.

The new secure MysteryCAT Wiki is here: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/2018_MysteryCAT

"The game is afoot!"

2christina_reads
Oct 19, 2017, 2:23pm Top

I have a few more suggestions for monthly themes.

- Female cop/sleuth/detective
- Locked-room mysteries/impossible crimes
- Mysteries involving transit (trains, boats, planes, etc.)
- Crimes other than murder

I assume the idea is to compile a list of suggestions and then hold a vote to decide what the official 12 monthly themes will be, correct?

3VivienneR
Oct 19, 2017, 2:43pm Top

Thank you for the ideas, Christina. Yes, we will collect ideas and then choose which ones we'll have.

4DeltaQueen50
Oct 19, 2017, 2:48pm Top

I will definitely volunteer to host a month once the various genres/themes are decided upon, but perhaps instead of voting, Vivienne could list all the various suggestions and when someone volunteers for a month, they can pick their genre/theme from that list.

5VivienneR
Oct 19, 2017, 2:59pm Top

Good idea, Judy! That's what I had in mind, you said it better.

6whitewavedarling
Oct 19, 2017, 3:07pm Top

Should real life/true crime mysteries be on the list?

I also wonder--assuming we don't vote, would it be possible to pair graphic novels with something else also... maybe art themed mysteries? But maybe there's a larger group of graphic novel readers who'd be doing the challenge than I realize...? That one just feels so specific to me, but maybe it's because they hurt my eyes, so I don't read many!

7DeltaQueen50
Oct 19, 2017, 3:28pm Top

Even though I read Graphic Novels I know that many people do not, so I think >6 whitewavedarling: has a good idea. Another way would be not to have a specific month for GNs but ensure that anyone could choose to read a GN for any of the themes throughout the year.

8sallylou61
Oct 19, 2017, 3:38pm Top

I would also like to have true crime added to the list as suggested in >6 whitewavedarling:.

9whitewavedarling
Oct 19, 2017, 3:42pm Top

>7 DeltaQueen50: and company, I was thinking about that for YA/Children's also, I admit. I think more of us read those and would have those easily at hand, but with so many different categories to choose from, I was thinking that might make sense. Just in my 'soon to be read' pile on my desk, I have three MG/YA mysteries that would fit into three of the separate categories... But that said, I wouldn't even mention it if we didn't have so many other great categories so that some things will surely get left out.

10VivienneR
Edited: Oct 19, 2017, 4:06pm Top

>6 whitewavedarling: and company, I agree about the Graphic Novels. I dread seeing that category on any list because I know I won't try another GN.

So the option is to tie it with another category or include it as an option in any category/month. I favour the latter, that way anyone can read GNs the whole year if they wish.

ETA: I think the same idea would work for YA & Children's Mysteries. They can be chosen for any category.

If this sounds ok to you, I'll reword the header post.

11VivienneR
Oct 19, 2017, 5:48pm Top

On reading over the categories so far, it seems some are sub-categories, such as "female cop/sleuth/detective", which could be used in more general categories like Detective novels, Series, Golden Age, Police procedurals, etc.

I need suggestions on what can be considered general categories to keep, and which categories to delete because they can be covered in a general category.

12majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 6:43pm Top

You could remove British and series, which can be covered in most of the other categories.

13LibraryCin
Oct 19, 2017, 7:06pm Top

In a bit of a hurry at this very moment, but posting here so I remember to come back later.

I would like to host a month. But, I suspect we aren't at that discussion yet!

14LibraryCin
Oct 19, 2017, 7:08pm Top

>7 DeltaQueen50: Trying to get through comments quickly, anyway!

I like the idea of not having graphic novel as one month, but it can just be read for any topic, anyway.

15VivienneR
Oct 19, 2017, 7:34pm Top

>12 majkia: Thanks, majkia. And thank you for the Wiki help too!

>12 majkia: & >14 LibraryCin: Glad to see you here, and you're right, we are not at the volunteer hosting yet. But we are zipping along so quickly that I suspect it won't be long.

16LittleTaiko
Oct 19, 2017, 7:36pm Top

I’m definitely interested in hosting a month when we get to that stage.

17rabbitprincess
Oct 19, 2017, 7:51pm Top

I'd be happy to host a thread in any month other than December to avoid double-dipping with my annual Christmas murder mystery thread (assuming there is still demand for it).

18majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 9:54pm Top

19luvamystery65
Oct 20, 2017, 12:28am Top

>17 rabbitprincess: of course there is always the demand of one! Lol

20VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 12:37am Top

>16 LittleTaiko: Thank you, it's great to see so many volunteers so soon.

>17 rabbitprincess: & >19 luvamystery65: It's one of the highlights of the year!

>18 majkia: Thank you. I'll have to check it out to see what I need to learn.

21sushicat
Oct 20, 2017, 1:23am Top

>14 LibraryCin: Me too. Same for YA/Children.

22MissWatson
Oct 20, 2017, 4:02am Top

>14 LibraryCin: >21 sushicat: Me too, both for graphic novels and YA/children.

23mathgirl40
Oct 20, 2017, 6:58am Top

How about a month for an "alternative format" or "not a traditional novel" category? This could include graphic novels, comics, short stories, plays and maybe non-fiction (other than true crime, which might have its own category) like biographies of mystery writers?

24christina_reads
Oct 20, 2017, 9:57am Top

>23 mathgirl40: I like that idea!

25sushicat
Oct 20, 2017, 11:29am Top

>23 mathgirl40: I would rather keep that option open every month. Like audiobooks...

26whitewavedarling
Oct 20, 2017, 12:34pm Top

>23 mathgirl40: and >25 sushicat:, I'd definitely prefer an alternative format month to a graphic novel month, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd personally be able to participate there either based on my TBR and reading patterns, so my vote would be for people to just read graphic novels when they want to read them in line with other category headings...

27mathgirl40
Oct 20, 2017, 1:51pm Top

>25 sushicat: >26 whitewavedarling: It's fine with me either way. I enjoy graphic novels and will happily read them throughout the year or concentrated in one month. I just thought I'd throw the suggestion out there for consideration.

28VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 1:59pm Top

I have removed "Supernatural Mysteries" and "Thrillers" because they are the same or similar to topics chosen by ScaredyKIT.

If the list is acceptable - that is, no more to be added, no more cuts - we can open up to volunteers to choose a month and topic from the list.

29whitewavedarling
Oct 20, 2017, 2:40pm Top

>28 VivienneR:, The only last thing I'd add is that, considering the track of the discussions/decisions, we might think about taking off the short stories/novellas, and just let folks read those within the other categories as they come to them, like they will for graphic novels and audiobooks. I wouldn't suggest it if there weren't so many other choices, but figured I'd throw it out there since some things are guaranteed to get left out no matter what as things stand now.

30VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 2:45pm Top

>29 whitewavedarling: Sounds reasonable. I'll remove it.

31rabbitprincess
Oct 20, 2017, 7:07pm Top

I would LOVE to host Mysteries Involving Transit in May. It sounds like a fantastic idea and I have several suggestions ;)

32LittleTaiko
Oct 20, 2017, 8:42pm Top

I’d like to host February with the theme of Female Cop/Sleuth/Detective.

33mathgirl40
Oct 20, 2017, 8:50pm Top

I'd like to volunteer for Classic and Golden Age mysteries in April.

34LibraryCin
Oct 20, 2017, 8:57pm Top

>23 mathgirl40: I'm good with that, too!

35LibraryCin
Oct 20, 2017, 8:59pm Top

Yay! We're picking! I'd like to host True Crime. I'm trying not to be picky about which month, so I'll take any month except October or December.

36VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 9:26pm Top

This is the fun part! Thank you everyone.

>35 LibraryCin: I'll put you down for June.

37VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 9:27pm Top

I'm volunteering for March but if anyone else wants that, I'll do a different month.

38Robertgreaves
Oct 20, 2017, 9:33pm Top

I like the idea of a non-traditional format month, but I don't think having it bars people from reading graphic novels or short story anthologies or whatever in other months if they fit the theme.

39DeltaQueen50
Oct 20, 2017, 9:35pm Top

I'd like to host Police Procedurals in July.

40VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 9:42pm Top

>38 Robertgreaves: I would have trouble with a non-traditional month so I'm glad it is more flexible.

>39 DeltaQueen50: You got it!

41LibraryCin
Oct 20, 2017, 10:23pm Top

>36 VivienneR: Thank you! If anyone really wants June, I should be able to switch to a different month.

42VivienneR
Oct 20, 2017, 10:34pm Top

>41 LibraryCin: Noted. Thank you, Cindy.

43sushicat
Oct 21, 2017, 1:19am Top

I’ll start the year with Nordic Mysteries.

44VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 1:52am Top

>43 sushicat: Thank you. A good category for January!

45virginiahomeschooler
Oct 21, 2017, 8:09am Top

I would like to host cozies. Maybe November?

46majkia
Oct 21, 2017, 10:18am Top

I'll host historical - any month but November

47VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 1:55pm Top

Thank you both for November and August.

48RidgewayGirl
Oct 21, 2017, 2:15pm Top

I'll bite. May I take Noir and Hardboiled for September, please?

49VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 3:27pm Top

You have it! I was hoping that genre would be chosen.

50RidgewayGirl
Oct 21, 2017, 3:40pm Top

I know you love it, too, Vivienne. If you were hoping to host that theme yourself, I'll gladly let you have it.

51VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 3:45pm Top

That's very generous of you, but I am not as well-read as you are in that area!

52DeltaQueen50
Oct 21, 2017, 4:35pm Top

I am so happy to see Noir and Hard Boiled are going to be one of the categories!

53majkia
Oct 21, 2017, 5:01pm Top

> me too! I thought about taking it, but historical was still waiting too

54VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 9:32pm Top

There are so many good categories available - and still several left to choose from for the two more hosts we need!

55MissWatson
Oct 22, 2017, 4:16am Top

Maybe I could do Espionage in October?

56LisaMorr
Oct 22, 2017, 10:01am Top

Third-world mysteries in December?

57VivienneR
Oct 22, 2017, 11:13am Top

>55 MissWatson: Done! Thank you, Birgit.

>56 LisaMorr: You got it! Thank you.

Woo Hoo! That fills all spots.

58pamelad
Nov 5, 2017, 8:00pm Top

Would it be possible to change the name Third World? Might be seen as insulting. Sorry to sound so PC, but maybe Developing Countries?

59VivienneR
Nov 6, 2017, 2:21am Top

Yes, I agree. I've been thinking of making the same suggestion.

60LisaMorr
Nov 7, 2017, 9:57am Top

>58 pamelad:, >59 VivienneR: I agree and when I was looking into the subject (after I picked it!) third-world doesn't even mean what we think it means...

I guess developing countries would work - however, I see that Vivienne has global mysteries, and would that be too much of an overlap?

Non-US/western Europe seems too bulky of a title (and I hate negative titles!).

It could be mysteries in translation also.

Or - to be completely different, what about Futuristic/Fantastical mysteries?

61majkia
Edited: Nov 7, 2017, 11:00am Top

I'd vote for the last one! But will go with whatever. :)

62mathgirl40
Nov 7, 2017, 11:06am Top

>60 LisaMorr: I love the idea of futuristic/fantastical mysteries, but I'd also be happy with any of the other ideas.

63virginiahomeschooler
Edited: Nov 7, 2017, 12:15pm Top

>60 LisaMorr: I'm with majkia and mathgirl40. I like the idea of futuristic / fantastical, but I'd be happy with whatever you decide.

64LisaMorr
Nov 7, 2017, 1:28pm Top

Let's go for Futuristic/Fantastical - global mysteries covers any and all countries and I don't think we need another category that overlaps. And this category is sufficiently different from the rest.

>61 majkia:, >62 mathgirl40:, >63 virginiahomeschooler: Thanks for your input.

65VivienneR
Nov 7, 2017, 2:29pm Top

It worried me too that we had three geographical months, which is good in a way because there is so much to choose from, but it limits our range of reading.

Futuristic/Fantastical is an excellent choice! I'm looking forward to it.

66majkia
Nov 7, 2017, 2:54pm Top

Yay!

67pamelad
Nov 7, 2017, 4:12pm Top

>64 LisaMorr: Great idea!

68luvamystery65
Nov 10, 2017, 11:13am Top

Futuristic fantastical sounds like the perfect way to end the year!

69DeltaQueen50
Nov 10, 2017, 6:03pm Top

I also love the sound of futuristic/fantastical mysteries for bring the year to a close.

70karenmarie
Nov 12, 2017, 9:01am Top

Hi all!

Ellen (EBT1002) pointed me in this direction. I've been a lover of mysteries since my ten-year-old self discovered Nancy Drew, 54 years ago. I'm very excited to start participating in January.

71benitastrnad
Nov 12, 2017, 2:21pm Top

Ellen pointed me here as well, and I will be participating when I can during this next year. I spent a great three years reading with the Hillerman/Johnson mystery group and since we are now reading the last Hillerman mystery this month, I will be happy to join this group.

72VivienneR
Nov 12, 2017, 2:33pm Top

Welcome Karen and Benita! It's shaping up to be a great year.

Karen, your experience sounds just like mine except I grew up in the UK so my first mysteries were Enid Blyton's, shortly before progressing to Agatha Christie.

73majkia
Nov 12, 2017, 3:22pm Top

Very glad to see some new folks here. Welcome!

74EBT1002
Nov 14, 2017, 12:34am Top

Having led Karen and Benita to this thread, I suppose I should chime in and say that I'm planning to play along, as well! Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys were my first mystery loves with Travis McGee and the men of the 87th Precinct following closely behind. And the rest is, as they say, mystery history.

Thanks to everyone who is hosting!

75majkia
Nov 14, 2017, 7:56am Top

> 74 Oh you Nancy Drew fans! She was way too girly for me. I was a Trixie Belden fan myself!

76mathgirl40
Nov 14, 2017, 8:08am Top

>70 karenmarie: >74 EBT1002: >75 majkia: I loved all those series, but my favourite was The Three Investigators.

77karenmarie
Nov 14, 2017, 9:17am Top

>75 majkia: Hi Jean! I loved Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, the Dana Girls, even a few Trixie Beldons. I graduated to Perry Mason when I was 11.

78benitastrnad
Nov 14, 2017, 5:12pm Top

Trixie Beldon was my favorite. I didn't know about Nancy Drew until after I discovered Trixie and her crew.

79DeltaQueen50
Edited: Nov 14, 2017, 7:09pm Top

I was a huge Trixie Belden fan, loved her and all the "Bobwhites". Of course, I also read my share of Nancy Drew and Enid Blyton as well. I also remember sneaking a few Perry Mason's from my mom - because of the lurid covers I always expected the Perry Masons to be "sexier" than they actually were!



Does that look like Marilyn Monroe or what??

80Dejah_Thoris
Nov 14, 2017, 7:18pm Top

What???? Is there no love for Cherry Ames, the mystery solving WWII nurse? Or blonde Vicki Barr, Flight Stewardess?

I read huge numbers of the Nancy Drew books, but I was always bothered that she didn't have a career. Of course, I grew up in a very feminist household.....

81cmbohn
Nov 14, 2017, 7:38pm Top

I loved Cherry Ames!

82mathgirl40
Nov 14, 2017, 8:19pm Top

>80 Dejah_Thoris: I liked Cherry Ames too! Did any of you watch the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys TV series from the late 70's?

83beebeereads
Nov 14, 2017, 8:25pm Top

>80 Dejah_Thoris: Loved Cherry Ames! Thanks for the memory!

84VivienneR
Nov 14, 2017, 9:05pm Top

>80 Dejah_Thoris: Cherry Ames inspired me to use the name "Cherry" for a character in a school essay. My teacher responded with "Rubbish, no one is called Cherry". No rebuttal was allowed. It still bugs me :)

85Dejah_Thoris
Nov 14, 2017, 9:05pm Top

>81 cmbohn: >82 mathgirl40: >83 beebeereads: I'm happy to see I'm not the only Cherry fan! I'm particularly fond of the first 5 set during WWII when they were so clearly intended to recruit girls to nursing. I'm also very fond of Cherry Ames, Visiting Nurse and Cherry Ames, Mountaineer Nurse. I actually have about 20 of them, and reread them occasionally.

>82 mathgirl40: I have only the vaguest of memories of the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys TV series - I suspect I like the books better! Were you a fan?

86Dejah_Thoris
Nov 14, 2017, 9:08pm Top

>84 VivienneR: How terrible! And how narrow minded! Especially when you could have produced a 20+ book series to refute her.

87VivienneR
Nov 14, 2017, 10:25pm Top

>86 Dejah_Thoris: I suppose I could put the issue to rest with a re-read of some Cherry Ames stories!

88LibraryCin
Nov 14, 2017, 11:31pm Top

>84 VivienneR: I've met someone named Cherry in real life!

89VivienneR
Nov 15, 2017, 1:19am Top

See! I knew it was a name! Thank you for that.

90Helenliz
Nov 15, 2017, 1:22am Top

>88 LibraryCin: as have I, and we're in the UK and she's in her 70s. Must have been a really unusual choice of name then.

Terrible admission, I've never read any Nancy Drew or any of the other names you're banding about. but I do NOT need any more series to get into back catalogues of...

91majkia
Nov 15, 2017, 7:39am Top

>90 Helenliz: Oh, I can so relate...

92mathgirl40
Nov 15, 2017, 7:56am Top

>85 Dejah_Thoris: Yes, as a 10-year-old, I was indeed a fan of the TV series. :)

>90 Helenliz: I loved these books as a child and I'll occasionally reread one for sentimental reasons, but to be honest, I wouldn't recommend them to adults unless you just want to sample them to see what they're all about.

93whitewavedarling
Nov 15, 2017, 10:10am Top

I have to admit, I never liked Nancy Drew, but I loved the Trixie Belden books, and I ended up reading a lot of the Hardy Boys books, too. I think this thread has inspired me to at least revisit the Trixie Belden ones in the coming year :)

94VivienneR
Nov 15, 2017, 4:23pm Top

>90 Helenliz: I grew up in the UK (and the location of the schoolteacher). Yes, I'm sure it was an unusual name at the time.

When my son was starting to read, I introduced him to my favourites by Enid Blyton that he enjoyed as much as I had done. Then he progressed to the Hardy Boys that I enjoyed too. Now if he spots an Enid Blyton in the used book store he will buy it for me just for old times' sake.

95dudes22
Nov 15, 2017, 8:01pm Top

I was a Cherry Ames fan also. Not Nancy Drew as much. And I also read a series called "The Happy Hollisters".

96LibraryCin
Nov 15, 2017, 9:21pm Top

>90 Helenliz: I'm in Canada, but my friend (really, acquaintance) has an Asian (Chinese) background. I'm sure she was born here, but I don't know about her parents. She's probably only in her mid-30s or so, though. Hmmm, maybe late-30s by now, but she looks younger. :-)

97LibraryCin
Nov 15, 2017, 9:23pm Top

And back to the topic at hand... I read a bunch of Nancy Drew and a few of Mom's Trixie Belden books growing up. I can't recall who I preferred, but I'm sure I read more Nancy Drew, if for no other reason than there were newer ND books in the library!

I've never read Hardy Boys or Cherry Ames.

98cmbohn
Nov 16, 2017, 2:41am Top

And how about Encyclopedia Brown? I liked those. But honestly, my Nancy Drew window was pretty brief. I got into Agatha Christie pretty young.

99LittleTaiko
Nov 16, 2017, 12:33pm Top

I loved Encyclopedia Brown! At least the couple that I read. I was definitely a Nancy Drew and Trixie Belden fan, but like LibraryCin said, I probably read more of Nancy Drew because there were more of her books at the library. I am not familiar with Cherry Ames - sounds like I missed out on something good.

100whitewavedarling
Nov 16, 2017, 12:47pm Top

>95 dudes22:, My mom loved The Happy Hollisters, and we read those also :) I enjoyed them, and the Boxcar Children too, but found the Trixie Belden and Hardy Boys books just a little bit more exciting...

101dudes22
Nov 16, 2017, 5:03pm Top

>100 whitewavedarling: - I loved the Boxcar Children too! As a matter of fact, I still give the first one to each of my great-nieces and nephews when they reach 2nd or 3rd grade. And I gave it to their mothers and father too. That was probably my favorite book when I was young.

102LibraryCin
Nov 16, 2017, 11:17pm Top

>98 cmbohn: I also really liked Encyclopedia Brown!

103Familyhistorian
Nov 18, 2017, 2:48am Top

Ellen has a lot to answer for. She also directed me to this thread.

104EBT1002
Nov 18, 2017, 5:10pm Top

>103 Familyhistorian: LOL -- Meg, I think you are the third person I've directed to this thread and I'm a newby myself!

I also liked Trixie Belden. It's so funny that I found Cherry Ames to be too "girly" (because she was a nurse?) while I could tolerate Nancy Drew's non-career conservative character. I think I loved the Hardy Boys because it seemed they got to have greater adventures than any of the girl sleuths got to have.

105cmbohn
Nov 18, 2017, 9:21pm Top

I liked The Three Investigators series too. Remember those? The boys did have better adventures, but they all needed a sidekick. Nancy did it all by herself. Her friends weren't the ones who saved her, she saved herself.

106VivienneR
Nov 18, 2017, 11:58pm Top

Maybe we'll see some of these series being read for MysteryCAT 2018.

107thornton37814
Nov 24, 2017, 7:32pm Top

I'm sure I'll be participating most months in this challenge.

108majkia
Dec 9, 2017, 4:41pm Top

109VivienneR
Dec 10, 2017, 11:39am Top

>108 majkia: Thank you, Jean.

110sushicat
Dec 14, 2017, 4:30pm Top

111LittleTaiko
Jan 15, 3:43pm Top

113mathgirl40
Mar 14, 10:43pm Top

115LibraryCin
May 13, 1:43pm Top

I'm a little early, but weekends are always easier for me to have time to work on and post these things!

The June MysteryCAT is now posted:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/291277

116DeltaQueen50
Jun 14, 1:44pm Top

117majkia
Jul 14, 12:07pm Top

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