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Centipede Press Dune

1Sorion
Nov 10, 2019, 12:33pm

Jerad sent out an email this morning that included this tidbit:

Dune is finally, finally, finally! heading to the printer next week. Preflight, color checks, galley checks, etc., will take some time. But we are good to go! So if you can let me know that you want me to reserve a copy.
It would also be good to know if you’re willing to settle for an unsigned copy should all of the signed ones sell out. And, finally, it is very important to know if you will be wanting the remaining books in the series (which will take some time to publish; they definitely won’t be coming all at once), or if you just want the first Dune.
Each additional book in the series will have extra bonus items: the original John Schoenherr artwork; an interview with Frank Herbert by David Wingrove; “The Road to Dune” by Frank Herbert, another essay on Dune by Herbert; perhaps the H. R. Giger Dune paintings.
Anyway, if you can let me know this week on this information, that would be ideal. It won’t be much longer. Remember, we are not taking pre-orders on this title just yet, nor is there any anticipated date to do so, although I can say late January or early to mid February would be the earliest; so, well after the holidays.

So if like me you have been impatiently waiting for this probably best to send an email now and get on the list. I would probably pass it up and stick with the fabulous FS edition of Dune except for the fact that he is going to print the whole series. I need a private press edition of God Emperor of Dune.

2Czernobog
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 12:36am

>1 Sorion: "I would probably pass it up and stick with the fabulous FS edition of Dune except for the fact that he is going to print the whole series."

I've been mulling this over and decided to skip this edition. Reluctantly, because the preliminary artwork is very promising. I already have the Folio edition and it's magnificent. I'm hopeful Folio will at least publish the first three books, especially with the Dennis Villeneuve adaption coming later this next year.

3RATBAG.
Nov 10, 2019, 5:59pm

>1 Sorion: Wow.

The covers are absolutely hideous. Folio's edition remains the best, IMO.

4SDB2012
Nov 10, 2019, 8:16pm

>3 RATBAG.:
>2 Czernobog:
Where have you seen the artwork and cover for Dune?

5SolerSystem
Nov 10, 2019, 8:20pm

Jerad just responded to my email re. price- he expects the first volume to run between $400-$500 for a signed copy. At that price I’ll have to pass, especially with his other books on the horizon, especially the William Hjortsberg set and letterpress T.E.D. Klein.

6Czernobog
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 7:10am

>4 SDB2012: "Where have you seen the artwork and cover for Dune?"

I found artwork using Google so it's not from an official source. You'll have to confirm with Jerad to be sure.
  1. Dune - Mark Molnar - https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xVX6m
  2. Dune Messiah - Marc Simonetti - https://marcsimonetti.artstation.com/projects/X3ZzY

7Levin40
Nov 11, 2019, 4:44am

>3 RATBAG.: I saw the dialogue between >4 SDB2012: and >6 Czernobog: (the covers shown in the facebook post are of the trade hardback I think, not the CP edition), but still interested in where you saw the covers. They're neither in the newsletter nor on the CP website as far as I can tell.

8Czernobog
Nov 11, 2019, 7:10am

>7 Levin40: Correct I have deleted that part of my post to avoid confusion.

9RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:22am

>4 SDB2012: Centipede FB page, unless they're early stage productions.

10RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:23am

Oh, wow I did NOT see these.

Ok. I'm having second thoughts now.

How can I get my hands on it?

11RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:24am

Do you have any links for both titles mentioned?

Peaked my curiosity with these.

12Pellias
Nov 11, 2019, 12:01pm

That artwork is so so enabling, but that rabbit hole .. and H.R Giger i have been a fan of since my teen

13SolerSystem
Nov 11, 2019, 12:30pm

>3 RATBAG.: RATBAG.: If you're referring to the titles I mentioned, Jerad has only discussed them in his weekly newsletters.

On T.E.D. Klein from the April newsletter:

'Children of the Kingdom by T.E.D. Klein.
Plates are made, paper has been bought, polymer plates for letterpress in the works. Honestly, probably spring 2020.'

And Hjortsberg from the September newsletter:

'Above is a look at some of the great artwork that we have commissioned for our forthcoming editions of William Hjortsberg’s Falling Angel (one of the 20 greatest horror novels of the 20th century) and its long-awaited, never-before-published sequel, Angel’s Inferno.

Ricardo Martinez, who lives in Spain, created dustjackets, endpapers, and frontispiece artworks for each book. And they are, in a word, magnificent. Also included are a number of illustrations from Alessandro Boni’s forthcoming graphic novel of Falling Angel, none of which have ever been published. Our new edition of Falling Angel contains the novel, the 1978 letter from Stephen King, the 2006 William Hjortsberg afterword, and new essays by friends of William Hjortsberg’s, plus photographs, the Boni artwork mentioned above, and a gallery of archival artwork from different paperback and hardcover editions, and the artwork that accompanied the novel when it was published by Playboy.

But the real treat is the second book. Our understanding is that William Hjortsberg was literally finishing the final revisions, on the final page of the book, when he passed away. The family has allowed Centipede Press first publication rights of this book. Both Falling Angel and Angel’s Inferno have their own signature page, with a facsimile signature by William Hjortsberg, and signatures from the artists and other contributors, as well as some amusing, slightly Satanic signatures that help make this book a real treasure.

Both books will be enclosed in a single slipcase. We are hoping for a publication date of early January 2020. More details will be coming in December.'

Unfortunately the art work is no longer available in the email. According to the email I received from Jerad yesterday, the Hjortsberg set should cost $200+.

14Czernobog
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 1:16pm

Found some more Marc Simonetti art for Dune Messiah (the usual disclaimer applies - not confirmed w. Jared):

https://www.facebook.com/JacurutuForum/photos/a.880121035457983/917411541728932/...

This is the cover art apparently (this is not what hideous looks like >3 RATBAG.: ... - but the interior illustrations are better.)

15SDB2012
Nov 11, 2019, 1:15pm

>6 Czernobog:
That art looks pretty great.

16RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 1:18pm

>14 Czernobog: Quite true.

In my rush to Google the book, this was what I came across and I had instantly closed it.

https://www.facebook.com/brianherbertnovels/posts/there-will-be-special-centiped...

17RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 1:20pm

>13 SolerSystem: Thanks so much for all of this. I truly appreciate it!

18MobyRichard
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 5:14pm

>14 Czernobog:
Think there's some confusion here. Dune Messiah is waaaaaaayy off and the cover could easily change. That image was also posted at least a year ago, if not two years. I have faith in Jerad but don't think we can jump to any conclusions based on preliminary art. The Brian Herbert announcement was also years ago.

I'm not sure about the Dune images. The one of Baron Harkonnen seems like a more polished version of an image I recall seeing a while ago so I'm hopeful.

19RATBAG.
Nov 12, 2019, 6:32am

Would anyone happen to know if Centipede Press has a subscription newsletter?

20SolerSystem
Nov 12, 2019, 7:19am

Yes, Jerad usually enrolls you after you buy your first book but I imagine you can also email him and ask to be enrolled.

21Czernobog
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 7:44am

>18 MobyRichard: Agreed - it is far from certain that the art from Mark Molnar (Dune) and Marc Simonetti (Dune Messiah) will be used because the source of this information is not Centipede Press / Jerad. That's why I added disclaimers to the links posted. However it would make sense if Dune Messiah - which I think is the second book - is already in pre-production by now.

22MobyRichard
Nov 12, 2019, 9:57am

>21 Czernobog:

I wouldn't mind at all if those are the final Dune illustrations. Except the sandworm. Too puny...:/

23Sorion
Nov 12, 2019, 1:27pm

I like all of the illustrations seen minus one and that is the one of Paul fighting. I particularly love the images of Stilgar and Liet and think they captured them well.

24Glacierman
Nov 12, 2019, 5:51pm

The images shown for Dune are copyright Centipede Press. Didn't look at the other link.

25RATBAG.
Nov 13, 2019, 5:25pm

Are we looking at a December 2019 release, then?

26Czernobog
Nov 13, 2019, 5:49pm

>25 RATBAG.: Unfortunately not. According to the newsletter pre-orders can be placed in late January or early to mid February at the earliest.

27RATBAG.
Edited: Nov 13, 2019, 6:02pm

Ah, noted. Fair, considering it is a hefty tomme.

Thank you, Czernobog!

28RATBAG.
Jan 8, 2020, 10:50pm

While we wait...

I made this for fun. :)

Art work is, of course, copyright of the artist Mark Molnar.


29NLNils
Jan 10, 2020, 3:05pm

Quite a talent. Love it!

30RATBAG.
Jan 10, 2020, 3:11pm

>29 NLNils: Thanks, Nils!

31grifgon
Jan 11, 2020, 10:13pm

>28 RATBAG.: RATBAG: Looks terrific! I just read Dune for the first time this summer. Spent forever looking for a decent copy to read from. Still not this beautiful though...

32NLNils
Edited: Jan 12, 2020, 12:36pm

From the latest Centipede newsletter:

“As Dune makes its way through pre-press, we are pleased to report work steams ahead on the second book of the series, Dune Messiah, with a new introduction by Gregory Benford and artwork by Marc Simonetti. The shortest of the Dune novels, this gives us an opportunity to run a complete selection of John Schoenherr’s Dune artworks: from the stories that appeared in Analog, to The Illustrated Dune, to the magnificent Dune Calendar, and more. However, we have run up against a stone wall regarding access to some of the originals. We have a small PDF that we can send which has a selection of the art and the originals we are missing. If you’d like to help, let me know. Thank you!”

Sounds promising and challenging at the same time! Who knows someone here is an "access merchant" and can help with finding and providing some of the missing original Schoenherr art.

33RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 2:46pm

>31 grifgon: Hey, Griff! Thanks so much, and welcome to the forum. :)

34RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 2:47pm

>33 RATBAG.: Tearing my hair out in excitement. I want to pre-order it already! Gah!

35Sorion
Jan 12, 2020, 3:08pm

>32 NLNils: Beat me to it!

Really looking forward to this. Jerad's commitment to the entire core series being printed is very special.

36RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 3:47pm

>32 NLNils:

>35 Sorion: So, are we looking at a February preorder, gentlemen?

37elladan0891
Jan 12, 2020, 5:01pm

>31 grifgon: Spent forever looking for a decent copy to read from

Have you seen the Folio Society edition? The chances of them releasing the whole series are VERY slim, but as far as standalone Dune goes (and personally I have no interest in the whole series) - in my opinion, this is it:

https://www.foliosociety.com/usa/dune.html

38RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 5:34pm

>37 elladan0891: Why are the chances very slim?

39RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 5:43pm

Ok, I'm freaking out.

I
CAN'T
BELIEVE IT!!!

Guys! Oh my God...

40wcarter
Edited: Jan 12, 2020, 7:17pm

>39 RATBAG.:
Great to see your enthusiasm, but this gives everyone an even greater dilemma.
Do we collect the Centipede series, FS series, or for the true fanatics, both?
And there is also the Easton Press edition!
These first world 21st. century problems are sometimes almost overwhelming!

41RATBAG.
Edited: Jan 12, 2020, 7:29pm

"Do we collect the Centipede series, FS series, or for the true fanatics, both?"

>40 wcarter: Agreed! This really shakes things up.

I REALLY want to collect both, but we already know that the CP edition will retail at $400-450, whereas the Folio edition retails at $120ish.

Plus, before I take the plunge, I need to see how the CP edition will turn out and what extras it will be offering.

The John Schoenherr illustrations for the EP editions are lovely, but I'm not the biggest fan of EP's craftsmanship...Yes, their style is unique to their brand and is near-impossible to change, but it doesn't seem that there's anything new or special these editions have to offer.

In the end, it is a matter of bonuses and extras/more bang for buck.

A very difficult decision for me, as I have not yet read Dune.

P.S.: I think Centipede's set - when fully published - will be extremely sought after...same as their and Folio's Book of The New Sun.

Edit: Jerad from CP has mentioned including John Schoenherr's art for Dune, but how dismissive it makes the EP editions, I am not sure.

42Sorion
Jan 12, 2020, 7:28pm

>40 wcarter: Well obviously both ;) . Seriously though I don’t expect FS to release anything beyond Dune personally. Their edition is a must have but Centipede’s series will also be a must have.

43Sorion
Jan 12, 2020, 7:29pm

>41 RATBAG.: You haven’t read Dune yet!? Dude stop everything else you’re doing and read it this week! Get a cheap paperback if you have too. It’s the greatest SciFi ever published.

44RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 7:30pm

>42 Sorion: Why not, Sorion? I think it's silly to release the first book of any given saga or series and just give up. Taking into consideration that Dune is a consistent best-seller at Folio, it makes even more sense to go forth with it. They're doing it for Game of Thrones, so my hopes are up.

45RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 7:31pm

>43 Sorion: And that's exactly why I INSIST on reading it in the best, most beautiful edition ever published. :)

But which one...?

46elladan0891
Jan 12, 2020, 10:29pm

>39 RATBAG.: Heh, well, FS moves in mysterious ways. I'm surprised though, and, like >42 Sorion:, I'm still a little skeptical. Here are my thoughts on this: Dune is not a current pop-culture phenomenon like Harry Potter or Game of Thrones to have consistently high demand for every book in the series. Demand diminishes with every subsequent volume, plus the series is known to be uneven. And the first book stands out in particular, being distinctly iconic, with others not sharing the same status.

Here on LT 29,183 members catalogued Dune, only 5,936 catalogued Chapterhouse Dune.
On Goodreads, whopping 660,158 people rated Dune. 115,699 rated the next book, Dune Messiah, with the numbers dwindling for every subsequent book, all the way down to 43,358 for Chapterhouse Dune. I'm sure amazon's sales ratings paint similar picture.

Now, producing a few hundred copies of a limited edition of the whole series makes sense - there should be enough fans/collectors-completists to sell out. But regular Folios need to have print runs of at least a couple thousand or more, and Folio would need to be careful estimating demand and adjusting print run figures for every subsequent volume. And lately FS has been careful publishing long series, and did not hesitate to cut a series short if they thought demand was not there. But I guess they think they can still make profit on the rest of the Dune series judging by that youtube comment.

47RATBAG.
Jan 12, 2020, 10:45pm

>46 elladan0891: Would love to get my hands on a LE Dune set from Folio.

But, if I may, how would you explain the Bond series then?

48booksforreading
Jan 12, 2020, 10:47pm

>46 elladan0891:
Very logical comment. I think that I agree with your logic.

I am already committed to Centipede Press's Dune series, as I told Jerad that I am interested in the whole series when he was trying to estimate interest in the saga.
I have not read Dune yet, and I am looking forward to enjoying the experience in the future.

49RATBAG.
Jan 13, 2020, 12:20am

>46 elladan0891: "Dune is not a current pop-culture phenomenon like Harry Potter or Game of Thrones to have consistently high demand for every book in the series."

Don't forget the movie on the way!

50Sorion
Jan 13, 2020, 2:06am

>45 RATBAG.: Buy the FS edition. It is amazing. It's something you should purchase anyway if you're going to collect FS books. Then buy the CP edition anyway. This is one of those books it's worth it to have both. Especially as Dune is a book you'll want to reread.

51astropi
Jan 13, 2020, 8:59am

46: if Herbert were alive today, it's quite possible Dune would be milked like GoT or Potter. It still might. The first book was fabulous, the others are in my opinion simply not worth your time - there is much better science fiction to read. The first book had such vision, and the subsequent books are "what?"
Just my opinion of course! I'm still waiting for a beautiful Earthsea...

52elladan0891
Jan 13, 2020, 10:36am

>49 RATBAG.:
The movie would have to be a smashing hit, followed by equally successful sequels. Possible? Sure, but it would take a few years. Likely? I doubt it.

53elladan0891
Jan 13, 2020, 11:24am

>47 RATBAG.: "how would you explain the Bond series then?"

007 is different. Here the whole series is iconic and, together with movies, is a slice of pop culture. Like TGoT or Potter. And it's more or less even - people usually either like the series and read/watch multiple episodes, or dislike and skip the whole lineup. If you look at LT ratings of all Bond books, they're remarkably similar.

And if you look at LT for numbers of members who cataloged a given book, although Casino Royale seems to be more popular than others and numbers for the last couple in the series dipped, numbers for the majority of the books are very similar. There is no distinct downward curve as in the Dune series.

54RATBAG.
Jan 13, 2020, 1:00pm

>53 elladan0891: Spot-on on the numbers, just checked.

I will be going for the CP edition, then. Makes the most sense, considering all the wait.

55MobyRichard
Edited: Jan 13, 2020, 1:16pm

>51 astropi:

I wouldn't say the later books have no vision. They just subvert the vision of the first book.
In fact, the first book subverts the vision of the first book through Paul's visions of the coming jihad
which his "victory" makes possible.

56Czernobog
Jan 13, 2020, 5:34pm

>28 RATBAG.: Very nice!

57RATBAG.
Jan 13, 2020, 5:44pm

>56 Czernobog: Many thanks!

58astropi
Jan 13, 2020, 6:55pm

The Easton Press edition of Dune is very nice. It used to be fairly easy to find and affordable, but that is no longer the case.

59RATBAG.
Jan 13, 2020, 9:21pm

>58 astropi: The art looks fantastic, but the binding and the resolution of the scanned artworks plus the overall design is a deterrent.

60MobyRichard
Jan 14, 2020, 9:53am

>59 RATBAG.:

For the price, it's a great deal. Used to be a million copies out there.

61RATBAG.
Edited: Feb 16, 2020, 8:22pm

>5 SolerSystem: and everyone else:

The Centipede Press homepage has now been updated with a thumbnail of Hjortsberg's Falling Angel (New cover art)

62NLNils
Feb 16, 2020, 10:36am

>26 Czernobog: Unfortunately not. According to the newsletter pre-orders can be placed in late January or early to mid February at the earliest.

No mention in today’s newsletter. I’m watching it like a hawk.

63MarkHowland
Feb 16, 2020, 11:38am

Heh, me too! Incredibly excited about this edition.

64RATBAG.
Feb 16, 2020, 1:12pm

>62 NLNils:

>63 MarkHowland:

I've come to learn with CP that said month means: said months +5 months later. LOL

65RATBAG.
Feb 23, 2020, 12:28pm

And...

nothing. :(

66Sorion
Feb 23, 2020, 1:01pm

>65 RATBAG.: Keep breath bated: Check.

67SolerSystem
Feb 25, 2020, 6:51am

I wouldn't hold my breath for Dune for awhile still. Last I heard is that it's coming along nicely. It's been in the works for 5 years now (not even the longest amount of time for a CP book- I know Childhood's End was about 6 years, and All Heads Turn When the Hunt Goes By was 8), but there's also a number of other high profile books that I think Jerad's focusing on first- Ramsey Campbell's Masters of the Weird Tale collection and the Hjortsberg Falling Angel/ Angel's Inferno set.

68RATBAG.
Feb 25, 2020, 10:30am

>67 SolerSystem: Also two other titles that I can't wait for any longer. :)

69NLNils
Mar 1, 2020, 11:25am

No news once again...

70RATBAG.
Mar 1, 2020, 11:49am

>69 NLNils: I can hear the FS Dune calling my name...beguiling me

71MobyRichard
Mar 1, 2020, 5:38pm

I'm just hoping CP is working on the other 5 books simultaneously. Otherwise could be waiting a looooong time.
Really I just want the first four anyways. I'd love to see a David Ho illustrated God Emperor of Dune.

72RATBAG.
Edited: Mar 1, 2020, 7:27pm

>71 MobyRichard: In the minority here, but I wouldn't mind not seeing David Ho on any title in the near future.

Unlikely, I know.

I mean, every (7? lol) out of 10 Centipede Press books is illustrated by him.

I realize that Jerad's margins may be thin, as with other small presses, and that there are budgeting costs to consider, and that David might be CP's 'signature artist', but I wish there was more diversity on art duties (as with Folio and Subterranean, for example).

73RATBAG.
Mar 1, 2020, 9:39pm

>67 SolerSystem: Curious, why would it take 5 years to make?

74kdweber
Mar 1, 2020, 10:41pm

>72 RATBAG.: The 5 volume Wagner series was illustrated by 5 different artists. The 4 Elric books out so far use 4 different artists. I have 5 CP books illustrated by Tom Kidd but only 4 titles illustrated by David Ho out of 54 CP titles in my library. Meanwhile, my 8 Bond titles from the FS all seem to be illustrated by Fay Dalton.

75RATBAG.
Mar 1, 2020, 11:45pm

>74 kdweber: IMO, it is completely justified and logical to go with one artist for the entire series (Bond), whereas having rotating artists on a series - as opposed to having them on stand-alone books - is not my cup of tea. I find that it just destroys the mood.

In the case of CP's Dune, however, I would enjoy the exception.

76astropi
Mar 2, 2020, 3:20am

75: I'm actually the opposite. I prefer to have different artists which I think gives you a more varied and diverse interpretation of the books. Although, I don't mind a single artist as long as he/she are good :)

77SolerSystem
Mar 2, 2020, 6:22am

>73 RATBAG.: lots of reasons I'm sure, but the biggest probably being that Jerad is a one man operation. He's got to gauge interest first, figure out if he's doing the whole series or just the first novel. And I'm sure securing the rights to as monumental a work as Dune is no easy task. Then there's commissioning new introductions, new artwork, etc. All while working on all of his other books.

I will say his output last year was much less than in previous years, but he was also moving into a new warehouse. There's a bunch of big ticket items that have been in the works for years now that I have a feeling we'll be seeing this year. Hopefully, anyway.

78RATBAG.
Edited: Mar 2, 2020, 11:42am

>77 SolerSystem: Well-said. Fingers crossed he'll keep on delivering great books; his output over the years has been mighty impressive.

79MobyRichard
Mar 2, 2020, 2:49pm

>78 RATBAG.:

Agreed. CP is a one-man show. Amazing how big the CP catalog is.

80RATBAG.
Mar 15, 2020, 3:25pm

Corona will delay this further, methinks.

81MarkHowland
Apr 26, 2020, 12:10pm

>80 RATBAG.:

It may not be due to coronavirus, but there was a delay:

"This one has been delayed a bit because I needed to reprint the color section. That will take a little longer. Looking at August now."

It feels like forever, it's hard to not be excited about this edition!

82RATBAG.
Apr 26, 2020, 2:39pm

>81 MarkHowland: Agreed! Damn you, COVID-19.

83booksforreading
Apr 26, 2020, 3:17pm

What I am excited about is keeping the money in my pocket for a little bit longer. :) I have just had to make a couple of expensive purchases/payments, and this delay of Dune is actually good for me.

84RATBAG.
Apr 26, 2020, 7:06pm

83> Good for all of us!

85SolerSystem
Apr 26, 2020, 9:27pm

Glad to see it delayed if that means better quality control.

86MarkHowland
Jul 5, 2020, 10:27am

From today's newsletter:

Dune is definitely (definitely?) October.

87SolerSystem
Jul 5, 2020, 10:45am

Sounds like it’s a gonna be a busy rest of the year for Jerad.

88RATBAG.
Jul 5, 2020, 7:15pm

At this point, I am planning a raid on Jerad's warehouse to grab that unbound preliminary copy of Dune and bind it myself...if it exists. :)

89MarkHowland
Aug 16, 2020, 10:23am

Another Sunday newsletter update:

Dune by Frank Herbert.
Hopefully Halloween. Very large book with a lot of detail work still to do. $495 probably.

90Sorion
Aug 16, 2020, 12:42pm

>89 MarkHowland: To add to that here is the entire forthcoming section of the email he sent out:

Okay, here’s a rundown of what titles are coming down the pike this fall and into February 2021. Along with that is a mention of some titles that we have recently acquired rights for. A lot of good, heavily illustrated books coming your way!

Something Wicked This Way Comes by Ray Bradbury.
End of September. The binding on this is really meticulous. $495.

Dune by Frank Herbert.
Hopefully Halloween. Very large book with a lot of detail work still to do. $495 probably.

Speaker for the Dead and Ender’s Way by Orson Scott Card.
December. Prices to be determined, but around $225 each.

The Revenge of the Rose (Elric volume 5) by Michael Moorcock.
December. $150.

Punktown Trilogy by Jeffrey Thomas.
January or February. Currently printing, this set of 3 books still needs slipcases. $225 for the set.

Nifft the Lean by Michael Shea.
Probably December. $95.

Live Girls by Ray Garton. October. $65.

A Beastly Business and Blue Octavo by John Blackburn.
Hopefully October for both. $65 each.

Dr. Futurity, The Cosmic Puppets, and Vulcan’s Hammer by Philip K. Dick.
Hopefully December for all. $95 each.

The Swords of Lankhmar by Fritz Leiber. $85. Probably February 2021.
February

Children of the Kingdom by T.E.D. Klein.
February 2021. Letterpress printing done. Letterpress two-color illustrations done.

Dark Star and The Director Should’ve Shot You
by Alan Dean Foster.
December for the first, May or June 2021 for the second.

The Last of Philip Banter and Devil Take the Blue-Tail Fly by John Franklin Bardin.
December or January. $60 each.

Waltz Into Darkness and the third volume of short stories by Cornell Woolrich.
January or February. $75 each.

And here’s a list of titles contracted for and in the works, but still some time off:
Ghost Story and Shadowland by Peter Straub are both in development.

The Man Who Never Was (volume 6 of collected stories) by R.A. Lafferty. February or so. We have not forgotten!

Powers of Darkness by Bram Stoker.
December 2021.

The House Next Door by Anne River Siddons.

The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. By popular demand. All six books as standalone volumes with all new artwork in each.

The Dying Earth by Jack Vance.

Ringworld by Larry Niven.

Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert. Dune Messiah goes to the printer here in September. Hooray!

The Shockwave Rider by John Brunner. Rights just acquired.

Cold Moon Over Babylon by Michael McDowell.

The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis.

Jack Dann and Robert Sheckley in the Masters of Science Fiction series.

Charles L. Grant and Stefan Grabinski in the Masters of the Weird Tale series.

The Thing, Phantasm, and The Omen in the Studies in the Horror Film series.

The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami. Rights just acquired.

The Club Dumas by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. Rights just acquired.

This is just a partial list of items that are nailed down with contracts. And we are still trying to get rights nailed down for Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny and Geek Love by Katharine Dunn. Man, acquisitions are taking a long time!

91MobyRichard
Edited: Aug 16, 2020, 1:30pm

>90 Sorion:

Much as I love Centipede Press and Book of the New Sun, new editions of previous "limited" editions always irk me especially as the limitation number has a HUGE impact on pricing. Whether it makes sense or not, part of what people are paying for is the rarity guarantee.

92kdweber
Aug 16, 2020, 1:35pm

>91 MobyRichard: Hopefully it's a new edition with a different illustrator than his previous offering. It certainly won't be signed by Gene Wolfe (well perhaps with a facsimile signature). I hope he allows people to buy the sequels (books 5 & 6) separately.

93Glacierman
Aug 16, 2020, 2:58pm

Moorcock, Leiber, Vance. Hmmmm. Interrrrresting.

94NLNils
Aug 17, 2020, 10:49am

To keep this thread centered the relevant parts:

“Dune by Frank Herbert.
Hopefully Halloween. Very large book with a lot of detail work still to do. $495 probably.”

“Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert. Dune Messiah goes to the printer here in September. Hooray!”

95MobyRichard
Edited: Aug 17, 2020, 3:14pm

>94 NLNils:

If the previews we've seen here are any indication, Dune could be the SF book of the year! I'm hoping God Emperor of Dune is David Ho. No idea who would make sense for 'Children of Dune.' Out of the 6, seems to me the most difficult to illustrate by far. There's nothing specific in Children of Dune that screams out "illustrate me!"

96ultrarightist
Aug 17, 2020, 9:44pm

>90 Sorion: Do you know if the Book of the New Sun will be printed letterpress?

97SolerSystem
Aug 18, 2020, 5:30am

>96 ultrarightist: Doubtful. Children of the Kingdom will be CP's first letterpress printed book, and Jerad expects the cost to be around $700 (the story itself is only about 65 pages). I really can't see him doing the entire Book of the New Sun in letterpress format, especially since his intention was to make the series more attainable to people who missed the earlier printing.

98MobyRichard
Edited: Aug 18, 2020, 10:26am

>96 ultrarightist:
>97 SolerSystem:

I remember it was supposed to be Mountains of Madness (first CP letterpress). Jerad even sent out a prospectus. Wonder what happened there...

99ultrarightist
Aug 18, 2020, 12:26pm

>97 SolerSystem: that makes sense

>98 MobyRichard: I had forgotten about that

100Sorion
Aug 18, 2020, 12:31pm

>96 ultrarightist: As >97 SolerSystem: said it is extremely doubtful. Jerad is not a letterpress printer excepting apparently Children of the Kingdom.

101Blakk
Sep 14, 2020, 10:01am

Hey everyone. I've never bought anything from Centipede Press but I am very much interested in their upcoming editions of the Dune books. Is there a newsletter or a twitter account I should follow to learn when the book becomes available for purchase (right now it's not even listed under the forthcoming section on their home page)? Also, do you have dibs on the next book in a series if you have bought the previous one? I think that's how Subterranean Press does it. Cheers.

102housefulofpaper
Sep 14, 2020, 10:21am

>101 Blakk:

You're added to the mailing list once you've become a customer. There's an email most Sundays.

103MobyRichard
Edited: Sep 14, 2020, 10:48am

>101 Blakk:

I'd be surprised if the entire print run of Dune isn't already spoken for, but maybe somebody will drop off the list? CP does sometimes offer a few unsigned/unnumbered copies of a book.

CP offers first right of refusal on some series, not all.

104trentsteel34
Sep 14, 2020, 11:14am

I believe he just has a list to include in presale the day before.i dont believe that anyone already has a reserve for the book. He then sends an email with a purchase link the saturday before the live sale to those on the list. Could be wrong though.

105Blakk
Edited: Sep 14, 2020, 12:27pm

So how do you get on the reserve list? You already have to be on the mailing list?

106zachp
Sep 14, 2020, 1:07pm

107Blakk
Sep 14, 2020, 1:17pm

Thanks. I will do that.

108MobyRichard
Edited: Sep 14, 2020, 1:49pm

>104 trentsteel34:
>107 Blakk:

I kind of doubt he is sending out more links than there are buyers. At least I hope not, considering I've been corresponding with him about Dune for like 5 or 6 years :p. For series, he definitely has listed clear stipulations before that certain signed editions can only by purchased by previous signed edition buyers, with unsigned copies available for general order. Examples include the Lafferty series, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Elric (or whatever it's called).

109Blakk
Edited: Sep 14, 2020, 2:07pm

Got the following response:

"I'll be honest with you, the pre-existing customers who have signed up to be notified will get first shot. I have to take care of customers who have been buying from me for years first."

So it seems like there already is a reserve list? I'm out of luck then.

110wongie
Sep 14, 2020, 2:44pm

I wouldn't count yourself out so easily. I don't have any evidence to back my hunches up but while it's hard to deny that the publication coinciding relatively closely to the film release will likely drive up demand I think Centipede, like Suntup, are mainly sought after by signature collectors. Even if all the signed ones sell before the public release it's possible none of the dedicated base who miss out on the pre-sale might not care all that much for the unsigned copies that tend follow once the signed ones are gone.

111Blakk
Edited: Sep 14, 2020, 3:29pm

Who will these be signed by anyway? Can't be Frank Herbert lol. But I just want the book (and the other 5). I don't care if it's signed/lettered/numbered or whatever.

112kdweber
Sep 14, 2020, 3:27pm

>111 Blakk: The illustrator.

113MobyRichard
Sep 14, 2020, 5:28pm

>111 Blakk:

There's always an option to purchase rights to a facsimile signature from the estate but I don't think CP paid for it. I'm sure even the facsimile Herbert signature is super pricey and would send the cost into the stratosphere.

114filox
Sep 15, 2020, 5:00am

>110 wongie: I think Centipede, like Suntup, are mainly sought after by signature collectors

I would be very surprised if this were the case. As someone who buys from both, I don't really care about signatures, it's all about the quality of the books. Also, the fact that most CP books don't even have the signature of the author speaks to that as well. I mean sure the illustrator signs but I doubt anyone would pay that much money for an illustrator signature. The latest Hjortsberg books sold out and they had only a facsimile signature. I think most signature chasers will want to buy a book that the author has actually held in their hands, as opposed to these tipped in sheets. And I am especially suspicious that anyone would pay extra money for a facsimile signature. I could be very wrong, I guess...

115Levin40
Edited: Sep 15, 2020, 7:23am

>111 Blakk: I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brian Herbert is signing. Then the introducer and illustrator(s).

ETA: he's certainly been involved in the production: https://www.facebook.com/brianherbertnovels/posts/there-will-be-special-centiped...

116Blakk
Edited: Sep 15, 2020, 7:22am

Brian Herbert's signature would probably make it less valuable lol. Man, I really hope I manage to at least get the unsigned copies of these Dune editions, would be nice to have a beautiful matching set. Are the unsigned copies any cheaper than the signed ones or does the price point remain the same?

117Levin40
Edited: Sep 15, 2020, 7:28am

>116 Blakk: My guess is that they'll be slightly cheaper but not much (less than $50). Occasionally unsigned versions can be far cheaper - Murakami's Kafka on the Shore, for example - but I don't think that'll be the case here.

118Blakk
Sep 15, 2020, 7:28am

Makes sense, producing a high quality book like this is still expensive.

119MobyRichard
Edited: Sep 15, 2020, 1:45pm

>114 filox:

I agree signature hunting is unlikely. Many of the niche authors CP publishes are long dead.

120booksforreading
Sep 17, 2020, 10:33am

>109 Blakk:
If you ask to be included on the Sundays email list, you will know when the link to purchase Dune will be activated. You will then have the same chance as everyone else who joined the email list relatively recently.
Good luck!
I think that you have a good chance.

121trentsteel34
Sep 17, 2020, 10:47am

Have any dimensions been given for Dune? Are oversized books readable or more for show. My preference when buying a fine edition is to be able to read it comfortably. Resale is not a concern of mine. Part of my enjoyment is reading and experiencing the craftsmanship put into books. But if the books are so large that its not comfortable to read thats a drawback for me. Anyone have larger dimensioned books that they have read? I really want Dune but am worried that it will be a larger sized book like the forthcoming something wicked this way comes at i beleive 13x8. I really wanted that one but the size is too large for my bookshelf height

122MobyRichard
Sep 17, 2020, 11:15am

>121 trentsteel34:

I'm a thin dude and I've never had an issue reading oversized books up to 13 inches tall. Beyond that you can always get a book pillow.

123Blakk
Edited: Sep 18, 2020, 1:03pm

>120 booksforreading:

Jerad promised to add me to the mailing list and asked if I want just the first book or all 6 (would love to have all 6) so I'm hopeful.

124jroger1
Sep 18, 2020, 3:15pm

>121 trentsteel34:
I have many large and heavy books that I seldom pull off the shelf simply because I don’t like to sit at a table to read them. Several years ago I decided to stop buying books taller than 11 inches, and I’ve never regretted it.

125Raenas
Edited: Sep 19, 2020, 5:33pm

>124 jroger1:
I share your view about novels. For art and photo books however, I love my tombstone size Taschen books. SUMO size Hockney is a beast, so much detail that would be lost in smaller editions. Some XXL size ones also come at a bargain sometimes, bought Pompeii for £15!

126wcarter
Sep 19, 2020, 7:11pm

>125 Raenas:
I also love Taschen, from Sumo to miniature, they are a superb publisher with extraordinary variety in their titles. But Pompeii for £15 - that is amazing!

127NLNils
Sep 20, 2020, 1:17pm

From today’s newsletter:

“DUNE

Mentioning Homer, it seems only appropriate to mention Dune. Just so those of you who signed up for early notification when it goes on sale, this is a $450-$495 item. I do not want anyone to be caught off-guard by the price. So a heads-up to you all!”

128Blakk
Sep 20, 2020, 1:36pm

>127 NLNils:

Humph, I didn't get the newsletter.

129U_238
Sep 21, 2020, 7:00pm

He may have been prompted to post that after the “Something $600 this way comes...” post which appeared on Facebook moments after the preorder announcement went out.

I believe the book was well received despite the price, as it was sold out in 48 hours with just the smaller distribution list.

Although you have to wonder whether there’s much of a difference between the membership of the general email updates and some of the book-specific distribution lists.

130NLNils
Oct 11, 2020, 10:36am

DUNE

”Last week, we took a number of people onto the Dune reservation list. As many of you know, the Folio Society announced a deluxe edition of their Dune this last week for a whopping $695. Nothing wrong with that. Folio puts a lot of quality materials in their books and you do get what you pay for with them. There is solid value there.
In case you have been on the fence about Dune, our edition has 14 full color, hand-tipped interior illustrations, plus two illustrations in the front matter, and full-color, illustrated endsheets, and a fold-out map. The introduction is by Michael Swanwick, the artwork by Mark Molnar, and an afterword by Brian Herbert. It is signed by all three, with a facsimile signature by Frank Herbert. Each book is printed on Mohawk Superfine and is enclosed in a capped slipcase.
Below is a screen shot of the anticipated look of the slipcase spines for the books. The idea is that a sandworm will appear in each round embedded acrylic image in the case. (The images shown for future volumes are just placeholders at this point.) Thank you very much for your support of Dune!”

131MobyRichard
Oct 11, 2020, 10:41am

>130 NLNils:

Damning with faint praise lol?

132Jobasha
Oct 11, 2020, 4:56pm

>130 NLNils:
Could you please post the photo? I asked to be on the mailing list, clearly I didn't make it.

133LostStar
Oct 12, 2020, 8:01pm

134Jobasha
Oct 13, 2020, 5:57am

>133 LostStar:
Thanks a lot!

135trentsteel34
Oct 25, 2020, 6:16pm

Dune cover art is on CP website

136NLNils
Oct 27, 2020, 6:22am

Thanks for the heads up. I’m not really sure how I feel about it. Thoughts?

137trentsteel34
Oct 27, 2020, 9:38am

I really want a fine press set of the 6 dune novels. If the illustrations dont do it for me, then for the price tag i wont pull the trigger. Based on this one im kind of on the fence.

138NLNils
Oct 27, 2020, 10:30am

>137 trentsteel34: I'm in the same boat. I want 1,2,3,4,5,6 in fine press, but the Centipede Press layout is enormous, about $3000. Writing it down doesn't make it seem rational at all. Problem with the first book is the hype, thus no chance to deliberate when the pre-order goes live. I really don't know what to do at this point.

139trentsteel34
Oct 27, 2020, 10:49am

>138 NLNils: there was a facebook group post for fans of CP where it said there was 700 on the early notification list. Limitation run of 500. So yeah will need to be a quick decision.

140wongie
Oct 27, 2020, 11:00am

>139 trentsteel34: if those numbers are right then >138 NLNils: I doubt you'd need to deliberate too much as there's likely to by a buyer if you decide to not keep it.

141Bacon.And.Eggs
Oct 27, 2020, 11:00am

>138 NLNils: Any news when to expect the preorder announcement? I’m ambivalent to commit for similar reasons.

142trentsteel34
Oct 27, 2020, 11:05am

>141 Bacon.And.Eggs: my guess based on previous email mentioning end of october release l would guess within next week or 2. Maybe an email this week saying preorders next week. Or a surprise email this saturday am with the preorder link. Obviously pure speculation.

143Levin40
Oct 27, 2020, 11:05am

>137 trentsteel34: You can see (all?) Mark Molnar's illustrations for Dune, including the full cover image, here:

https://markmolnar.artstation.com/projects/xVX6m

Personally I think they're great. Sam Weber's FS illustrations were of course excellent too, but for epic SF I do like the huge, wide-angled shots on display here.

>138 NLNils: With these illustrations and description of the book in the recent newsletter, it should be possible to form a pretty good idea of what the final product will be like, prior to the pre-order going live. We also know the approximate price tag. Yes, I too shudder at the thought of the cost of the whole set and wouldn't be able to go for it were they all to be released simultaneously. However 1) the cost will likely be spread out over 4-5 years, maybe even more knowning CP's usual delays; 2) the first book is still significantly cheaper than the FS Dune LE; 3) it may have cost you $3000 but how much is it worth? :) (I know the latter is not a factor for must of us, who would not intend to sell, but it does help to soften the blow...)

144trentsteel34
Oct 27, 2020, 11:11am

>143 Levin40: lol i dont know why i never did a google search for the artist. Thank you!

145Sorion
Oct 27, 2020, 11:29am

I think the art fits wonderfully and will be as on the ball as I can possibly be to get this ordered as soon as the link drops.

>143 Levin40: How much is it worth is an interesting question. Looking at one specific series(urth) I would say at minimum it would be worth cost by the time publication is over. Purely due to the popularity of Dune and the lack of better press publications of the series.

146filox
Oct 27, 2020, 4:06pm

>142 trentsteel34: I don't think preorders will be that soon. Jared mentioned in an email we're looking at December.

147MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 27, 2020, 4:17pm

>136 NLNils:

I have to admit the cover art is disappointing. It's the one illustration I just don't like at all out of those posted online. It would probably work if it was just the sandworm without the anime "badass" in the foreground.

And I still have faith in Jerad, but I don't agree with 700 on a list to buy a 500 copy print run. There's no way 200+ people are going to drop out, but there is a real risk of resellers beating out fans who have been with CP for years...

148Blakk
Oct 28, 2020, 12:58am

>139 trentsteel34:

Jerad told me that there are 500 signed and 300-400 unsigned copies. So if only 700 people are on the list then it seems I have a good chance at getting one of the unsigned copies. yay.

149NLNils
Edited: Oct 28, 2020, 1:17am

Thank you to all who commented! I had another look at the illustrations by Molnàr, so kindly reposted by >143 Levin40: and the cover is also my least favorite out of all of them. It seems unhinged, or too much going on. So, in agreement with >147 MobyRichard:.

The cost being spread over several years helps, makes it more palatable (just). I would not want to sell, but it’s a comforting idea you can likely recoup your investment if need be. The problem are the resellers who have no intention of owning the books for actual reading, but just for the flip. In agreement again with >147 MobyRichard:. It could lead to increased pricing while the books are in print.

I didn’t buy the Dune LE from Folio as I have the original visionary SE. If it were any other book/series than Dune, I wouldn’t bother.

I do have a clearer perspective now on whether to buy or pass on the book (within my control). I will buy the first one and only continue adding the rest if I like it.

150Goran
Oct 29, 2020, 11:03pm

Hi everyone,

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I've been in contact with Jerad since September and I'd like to share the insights he gave me:

Hopefully early December?

On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:06 AM, *** wrote:

Great, thank you. Any idea when you’ll start taking preorder on it?

Thanks,

***

From: Jerad Walters
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:55 AM
To: ***
Subject: Re: Centipede Press September newsletter.

Yes, printed in two colors throughout. They are signed and numbered books, with a facsimile signature by Frank Herbert. They are signed by artist Mark Molnar, introducer Michael Swanwick, and Brian Herbert.

There is one fold-out map illustration, 14 hand-tipped four-color illustrations, two illustrations for the endpapers (one front, one back), a title page illustration, an illustration for the introduction (making it 16 interior illustrations total), plus a different illustration for the dustjacket.

The book is bound in printed cloth, wrapped in a dustjacket, and then enclosed in a capped slipcase.

151NLNils
Nov 23, 2020, 4:46am

"Our specialized bindery, which is currently working on Dune, also has scheduled the slipcases for Speaker for the Dead and Ender’s Way, slipcases for our three volume Punktown set. In the meantime, we wait, and wait, and wait…Absolutely no firm ideas on when these will be up for pre-order, and there are no pre-order lists being made yet, but watch the newsletter for more information on when I am starting these lists."

A short note on Dune in yesterday's newsletter, but a bit confusing to me. At printer but in the wind as to preorder, or the latter titles are windy. I grasp that the December deadline is shifting and we might have to wait until 2021.

152NLNils
Edited: Dec 13, 2020, 11:28am

“Dune - Frank Herbert. End of February. $500.”

From the latest newsletter.

153JuliusC
Mar 12, 2021, 11:02pm

The anticipation is killing me. A few years ago I probably wouldn't be too bothered, and I've been lurking, waiting patiently. Seems like CP has grown in popularity and Dune being the most anticipated title, one gets the feeling that one needs to be on their toes. I passed on the FS edition in favour of CP, but its going to really suck if I strike out on both.

154whytewolf1
Mar 13, 2021, 3:11am

Latest word is that due to the backlog at printers and bookbinders, we're looking at mid-April at the earliest. Also, last I heard, the price is going to be at least $600.

155SolerSystem
Edited: Mar 13, 2021, 5:42pm

I wouldn't mind the longer wait for Dune if the slowdowns weren't also impacting all the other books I was excited for early this year- Philip K. Dick, T.E.D. Klein, Samuel Delany, Alan Dean Foster...

156snail
Apr 6, 2021, 9:10pm

>155 SolerSystem:
I think I'm waiting for most of those too. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for April but he only mentioned the Woolrich waitlist in the last newsletter so that'll probably be first.

157Levin40
Edited: Apr 9, 2021, 4:02am

Anyone have any updates on Dune? I've a feeling it's not going to be this month now. I contacted Jerad a week or so back (for another reason) and he mentioned that the PKD set should be ready in an end April/early May timeframe.

158SolerSystem
Apr 9, 2021, 7:01am

>157 Levin40: Nope, but I'll be honest, when the update was posted to the Facebook group re. a mid-April release I pretty much took it to mean more likely May or June.

I have a feeling there's gonna be a pretty considerable delay for a lot of the books that were supposed to come out early this year. The PKD set was initially expected late last year, so I imagine we won't see the books that were expected after- Nova, Children of the Kingdom, etc.- until summer at the earliest.

Glad to hear about PKD though, looking forward to those.

159TheRingshifter
Apr 9, 2021, 6:52pm

Could I ask what these Centipede PKD books are?

160SolerSystem
Apr 9, 2021, 8:07pm

>159 TheRingshifter: It’s a set of 3 early Philip K. Dick novels- The Cosmic Puppets, Vulcan’s Hammer, and Dr. Futurity

161RRCBS
Apr 10, 2021, 5:14am

Stupid question...how often do they release new books and how does one find out when they’re released? Their website doesn’t seem to have much info.

162the_bb
Edited: Jan 25, 10:46am

This message has been deleted by its author.

163Vidrir
Apr 10, 2021, 5:35pm

That probably is the best way to stay up on things. When I was first looking to sign up, I couldn't find any way to get on it on the website. At which point I emailed him to get on it....which also did not work. It wasn't until I bought something that I got on it. However, I suspect it was just an accident and he missed my email. Shooting him a message asking to get on it should work.

164whytewolf1
Apr 11, 2021, 12:47am

>161 RRCBS: There's no sign-up on their website. You have to email jerad-AT-centipedepress.com and ask to be added to the newsletter list. The newsletters show up on Sunday mornings most weeks.

165hamletscamaro
Jun 27, 2021, 12:41am

Has there been any update on the Centipede Press Dune? I've emailed, and Jerad asked me if I was interested in the series, but I've never received another email from them. I'm assuming that those of you who receive regular communications may know more. I see Dune is included in the upcoming Centipede Press releases, but no details.

Thanks.

166wongie
Jun 27, 2021, 4:48am

From the last newsletter back on the 13th of June:

"We are told that Dune will be ready for delivery around the end of July or first week of August. As you know, I don’t do pre-orders anymore until I am told that they are on the truck and on the way over here!"

167the_bb
Edited: Jan 25, 10:46am

This message has been deleted by its author.

168hamletscamaro
Jun 27, 2021, 11:44pm

>166 wongie:, >167 the_bb:, Thank you for the information. I requrest a couple off years back to be added to the email list from this, but beside the initial response asking if I was interested in all the books in the series (which I indicated I was), I never heard anything more back.

169Jobasha
Jun 28, 2021, 6:54am

>167 the_bb:, >168 hamletscamaro:

I have a similar story. Does that suggest that we are not on the main list?

170ultrarightist
Jun 30, 2021, 3:58pm

Comparing the illustrations of the published FS and forthcoming Centipede editions of Dune, I prefer the latter.

171NLNils
Jul 4, 2021, 8:42am

>170 ultrarightist: Give me both.

172ultrarightist
Jul 4, 2021, 12:23pm

>171 NLNils: If you had to choose one, which would you choose?

173Levin40
Oct 18, 2021, 2:42am

It's coming...Good luck everyone!

174c_schelle
Oct 24, 2021, 10:28am

Today's the day. I'm wishing everybody good luck.

Has anyone recently ordered a CP book to Europe (or Germany more precisely) and knows the shipping cost? I couldn't find anything on their page.

175wongie
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 10:43am

>174 c_schelle: I haven't bought from them a while but a few years ago it varied (presumably on book weight) between 75 to 90usd to ship to the UK. Quite a hefty amount.

176Objectr
Oct 24, 2021, 11:01am

It's a lot. I think the smart move is for you to pass. It will be much more affordable for me to buy it. ;-)

177Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 11:32am

LOL

Anyone get that vaunted CP email? Not me. Damn!

178kdweber
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:41am

Wow, that went smoothly, email arrived at exactly 9:30 MST. No problem ordering.

179wongie
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:44am

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180Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 11:36am

What's the price?

181kdweber
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:45am

>180 Undergroundman: $625 signed, $575 unsigned plus postage in each case. $660 signed including US postage.

182MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:40am

>179 wongie:

Are you sure you've got that right? Jerad is on U.S. Mountain Time so the first email was sent 8 minutes ago....that would put you in the first wave of emails.

183wongie
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:42am

>182 MobyRichard: Hmm, seems my time conversion was out by an hour. And here I was sitting glued to my inbox for 60 useless minutes...

>180 Undergroundman: for UK/Europe 735usd including shipping to the UK/Europe. 685 unsigned.

184Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:41am

>181 kdweber: Not a bad price. Watching my PC, and phone like a hawk for that notification. Thanks.

185Nerevarine
Oct 24, 2021, 11:41am

So I’m not the first wave of email. The next one I hope.

Please tell me someone can’t buy a signed AND an unsigned copy. It’s either one or the other I hope.

186Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 11:42am

>184 Undergroundman: Yeah, I was going to email Jerad that question, but didn't want to bother him. Sure a bunch of people emailed him that question.

187MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:42am

>185 Nerevarine:

One copy per household and you have to choose signed or unsigned, not both. So people late to the party should have a chance at unsigned at least.

188Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 11:44am

>187 MobyRichard: Gonna be super lame when those who buy the signed versions aren't really interested in the rest of the series. Not sure how any publisher can stop that unless you buy the series upfront.

189NLNils
Oct 24, 2021, 11:49am

I received the e-mail at 17:30 hrs. in the Netherlands. The signed copy if bought in the UK and Europe would cost you $735 including shipping. Multiplying this by 6 for all books is too rich for my blood. So, after years of anticipation I decided to pass… One more available for you lot!

190Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 11:52am

>189 NLNils: Please reassure me you at least bought an unsigned copy? LOL

191Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 12:02pm

Alright!

You paid $660.00 USD
to Centipede Press
Details
1 x Dune by Frank Herbert. Signed copies.$660.00 USD
Item #: Dune signed.

192NLNils
Oct 24, 2021, 12:02pm

>190 Undergroundman: No, I didn’t. The value was in owning the entire hexalogy in the best edition available. I already own the Folio Society Dune and I don’t need another copy of the first novel.

193Nerevarine
Oct 24, 2021, 12:10pm

I was in the second wave of emails.

I don’t know how many copies remain, but it wasn’t a problem getting either a signed or unsigned copy.

194Nerevarine
Oct 24, 2021, 12:12pm

Here are the production details :

Signed by Brian Herbert, Michael Swanwick, and Mark Molnar, with a family approved facsimile signature by Frank Herbert.
500 signed copies and 250 unsigned copies.
Fully cloth bound, with dustjacket, spine stamping, and inset image on front board.
Over a dozen interior full color illustrations by Mark Molnar.
Printed on Mohawk Superfine.
Printed endpapers.
Capped, stamped slipcase.
Folded map.
Published November 2021.
ISBN 978-1-61347-262-0.
Book size 7¼ × 11 inches.
Number of pages: 696.

195kdweber
Oct 24, 2021, 12:13pm

>193 Nerevarine: Given there are 500 signed and 250 unsigned everyone in the first two waves of 200 are guaranteed a signed copy if the wish to make the purchase.

196JuliusC
Oct 24, 2021, 12:13pm

I guess I'm in the bottom list :/. Been waiting since it was announced, took a hiatus from book buying and didn't realised there was a list. Still fingers crossed.

197Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 12:14pm

>193 Nerevarine: The third wave should make it 600 emails. Will be shocked if the signed version is still there in an hour.

198SF-72
Oct 24, 2021, 12:26pm

I'm waiting for the third wave and really hope I'll be in it because I'd like to buy all six books and don't think there's a realistic chance for that in the fourth and last wave. I joined the list a year ago, I hadn't known there was one before I read about it on Librarything.

199trentsteel
Oct 24, 2021, 12:29pm

I just refreshed my link and signed are still showing up. So good luck to those still waiting!

200c_schelle
Oct 24, 2021, 12:32pm

I got the mail 18:15 (cest) and signed copies were still available.

201Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 12:32pm

Still signed copies left. You still in the game.

202Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 12:42pm

Fuc*

203venkysuniverse
Oct 24, 2021, 12:42pm

Managed to bag a copy.Chose the unsigned one as not planning to purchase the set. Signed still available!

204filox
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 12:46pm

I got in in the second wave, but now it seems that the normal weekly newsletter came out with the link, so it looks like it will be a free-for-all?

205MobyRichard
Oct 24, 2021, 12:44pm

>203 venkysuniverse:

Just checked. Signed are sold out!

206SF-72
Oct 24, 2021, 12:45pm

Phew, it worked and I got a signed copy. Though I input the wrong address, but I hope that can still be resolved.

207Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 12:48pm

>204 filox: Huh? I didn't get the newsletter. Besides Dune, what else does it say?

208venkysuniverse
Oct 24, 2021, 12:51pm

>205 MobyRichard: Selling like hot cakes!.

209Lukas1990
Oct 24, 2021, 12:52pm

Madness :D

210filox
Oct 24, 2021, 12:53pm

>207 Undergroundman: Just Dune. Maybe I'm mistaken and this isn't the 'normal' newsletter, but what was strange is that I got the newsletter at 6:00pm, and then again the same one at 6:15pm, so the second one made me think that it just went out to everyone. Maybe this isn't the case since you didn't get it, and they just have a glitch....

211punkzip
Oct 24, 2021, 12:53pm

Managed to get an unsigned copy even though I am not on any list.

212Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 12:57pm

>211 punkzip: Same thing happened to me with the Ender's Game series. Whatever. Happy to buy them.

213filox
Oct 24, 2021, 1:07pm

Btw I found this part of the newsletter interesting:

"For those that get the signed copies, the sequel, Dune Messiah, is already in the works. It has a new introduction by Gregory Benford, artwork by Marc Simonetti, and will have the same size, top-edge stain, capped slipcase, etc., so it will match your Dune. In addition, Dune Messiah has a slew of bonus features: an interview with Frank Herbert; a complete gallery of all of John Schoenherr’s Dune-related artwork, an interview with John Schoenherr, and a gallery of related artwork and posters. Each successive book will have other bonus features."

214SF-72
Oct 24, 2021, 1:09pm

>213 filox:

That sounds great. I hope the gaps between the books won't be too long, but I'll be glad to get them either way.

215ultrarightist
Oct 24, 2021, 1:14pm

I snagged an unsigned copy. Has anyone received an order confirmation from Centipede? So far, I've only received a payment confirmation from PayPal.

216SF-72
Oct 24, 2021, 1:17pm

217fp13
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218azure_hours
Oct 24, 2021, 1:51pm

IIRC Centipede doesn't send out any other confirmations, you just get the Paypal receipt. Though Jerad will send an e-mail when the book gets shipped.

219Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 2:00pm

>217 fp13: I got on the list in early November 2019. Many did too, and I still was on the second wave. This was going to be rough for anyone from 2020.

Damn. All gone. Sorry for everyone who missed out. :(

220paulmoran
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 2:01pm

I was on the list about 4 years ago and last November provided an updated email. Now seems I have ended up losing my place and into 3rd or 4th wave so missed out on the signed edition. Instead will buy folio society Dune again- I had sold my first printing with poster to part offset the centipede cost. Disappointed, but Jerad’s approach was still commendable and should get copies directly into the hands of collectors.

221hamletscamaro
Oct 24, 2021, 2:26pm

Those sold quickly. I got my email just less than 2 hours ago, and when I clicked on the link they were already sold out. I guess I will hold on to my Folio Society LE copy and hope Folio Society continues with the series.

222Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 2:29pm

Subterranean Press might get a few signed, and unsigned copies for those who missed out. Good luck.

223Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Oct 24, 2021, 2:42pm

>222 Undergroundman: How soon do they put them out for sale? I am really hoping I get a signed one

224SF-72
Oct 24, 2021, 2:51pm

I really appreciate the fact that there were some measures against re-sellers buying this up and then straightaway selling it at higher prices. This way collectors had a much better chance than would otherwise be the case.

225Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 2:54pm

>223 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: They announce on their newsletter. Usually 5am Monday, and Thursday Pacific time.

226SolerSystem
Oct 24, 2021, 3:06pm

Got an unsigned copy, which is all I wanted.

227JalleVG
Oct 24, 2021, 3:32pm

>225 Undergroundman: Do they send out a secret order link like centipede press did or do they just put it on their site?

228punkzip
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229Undergroundman
Oct 24, 2021, 3:40pm

>227 JalleVG: They typically add the link to their regular newsletter. I have bought numbered CP books from them, but they go in seconds.

Still, they might not get copies like the rest of the CP limiteds. Subterranean Press is your best chance to not get fleeced if they do put it up for sale. I know the Ebay secondary is going to be astronomical.

230wcarter
Oct 24, 2021, 4:57pm

Email arrived at 2.15am in Australia, so missed out completely despite being on the list for several years.

231punkzip
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 6:29pm

>229 Undergroundman: If Sub press sells a signed copy of the CP Dune, would it actually come with "rights" to the rest of the series? As I understand it, retailers for Suntup numbered for example typically keep the rights so they can get future numbered editions. I’m not even sure at this point whether Jerad has clarified whether rights to the rest of the series can even be transferred.

232Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 6:40pm

>231 punkzip: Bill, and Jerad are really good people. I am sure, they would come to an agreement IF a numbered did become available. I don't think I ever bought a CP series from subpress though. Again, this is a longshot. The other alternatives are going to be brutal.

233booksforreading
Oct 24, 2021, 7:16pm

Signed copies of The Spear from CP sold on Subterranean Press for $175 a couple of days ago. This was 3/4 mark up on the original $100 price. At $615 or so original price, Sub press prices might be close to $1100. It would still be a decent deal...

234Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 7:26pm

Yeah, Subpress charges more sometimes. I gotten PS Publishing, CD, Suntup, and CP books from them at retail prices. Don't blame Subpress for charging more, because they definitely know the Ebay prices. I don't think they like being used by scalpers, and price to where there is no meat on the bone for scalpers.

235Kryckan
Oct 24, 2021, 8:50pm

I was one of the unlucky ones who did not get a signed and numbered copy of Dune. Since I was intending to get all the books in the series I was wondering the following:

If I manage to buy a signed and numbered copy of Dune on the second hand market will I inherit the rights to buy the next one, Dune Messiah signed and numbered or will those rights still belong to the one who originally purchased Dune? If anyone is able to clarify this I would be most grateful.

//Christoffer

236ultrarightist
Edited: Oct 24, 2021, 9:56pm

The few photos provided are low-resolution, but it appears that some serious effort was put into typography and page design. Coupled with the Mohawk superfine paper (lower end perhaps for true fine press, but high end for a genre publisher like Centipede), it makes the edition all the more appealing.

237booksforreading
Oct 24, 2021, 9:56pm

>235 Kryckan:
From what I understand, if one sells her/his signed Dune copy, the person loses rights to acquire the next books in the Dune series. My understanding is that the rights for new Dune books would pass to the new owner. When such person will purchase a copy on the secondary market, I strongly recommend emailing at jerad@centipedepress.com and providing Jerad with the number of the copy of the book. This should assure that when the next book is available, an email notice will go to the new owner, too.
I also suggest emailing Jerad in advance and asking/verifying that this would be the right way to do it.

238Kryckan
Oct 24, 2021, 10:29pm

>237booksforreading

Thank you for your answer! Yes that is what I think would be the most reasonable also. I will definitely mail directly to Jerad and ask to be sure.

And needless to say, if anyone would like to depart from their signed and numbered copy of Dune later on I am all ears on email Kryckan_80@hotmail.com.

239JacobHolt
Oct 25, 2021, 10:39am

>237 booksforreading: I'm not sure that's correct. At least, I've never seen Jerad's e-mails discuss transferring of rights. There was a recent newsletter about the Leiber series that said: "If you ordered a signed or unsigned copy through a dealer or other seller, please continue to place your order through them." Which to me suggests the rights to future signed Leiber books are not transferred when resold, and I would assume Dune would work the same way.

240donaldmcobb
Oct 25, 2021, 10:53am

The "rights follow the book" bit came from the FB group, specifically from one of the admins who worked closely with Jerad to put together a FAQ about Dune. It's the most official response we've gotten to the question so far, and what most folks are relying on until Jerad himself says something.

241JacobHolt
Oct 25, 2021, 10:59am

>240 donaldmcobb: Got it--in that case, I stand corrected.

242Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Oct 25, 2021, 1:23pm

>235 Kryckan: I emailed Jerad last night and just received a reply. Basically rights follow the book; i.e: if you purchase Dune on the secondary market you get on the list for Dune Messiah.
Now the only (and for me biggest) problem is I heard someone sold their signed copy for 2.5k 😖 If that's the secondary price market then I give up lol
I love Dune, but not thaaat much 😅 So I guess its the FS standard edition one for me lol

243punkzip
Oct 25, 2021, 1:26pm

>242 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: How would you verify that you own the book?

244Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Oct 25, 2021, 1:57pm

>243 punkzip: I think u probably have to email Jerad with details of the original buyer and book number?

245donaldmcobb
Oct 25, 2021, 2:41pm

It's been my experience that one party emails the publisher to let them know the book has changed hands, and the other party confirms it.

246booksforreading
Oct 25, 2021, 5:27pm

>239 JacobHolt:
My past experience with purchasing parts of series from a dealer taught me that some dealers are on a subscriber list. As such, they own rights to certain numbers in the limitations regardless if they sell the books or not.
Being a dealer/seller was apparently part of their agreement with Jerad; therefore, this is what he was referring to with Leiber books.

247_WishIReadMore
Oct 25, 2021, 6:35pm

>246 booksforreading: This is correct. I bought Leiber from Subterranean Press, and will have to purchase them all from there.

248punkzip
Oct 25, 2021, 6:43pm

>247 _WishIReadMore: so you have “rights” with Sub press for your number- do they ask you first if you want to buy the next book?

249_WishIReadMore
Oct 25, 2021, 10:57pm

>248 punkzip: Yep, you’ll get a preorder email. It actually gets listed on their site immediately, but with a note indicating only those emailed about it can order, otherwise they cancel it. After the preorder window, the note gets removed, and anyone can order it if any copies remain.

250BlackwellDen
Oct 26, 2021, 8:09pm

...so for the last few days, Dune fever seems to have come over the entire Centipede Press FB group for better or worse. It mostly amounts to people higher up on the waitlist happy they got a signed copy and therefore first rights to the rest of the Dune series coming out in the future...and the rest of us who got unsigned copies (which ran out after about 3 hours).

There was initially a bit of chaos where people tried desperately to buy signed copies off of others, only to realize that virtually no one selling at this point (the only one known to have sold was for $2,500) even on ebay. Based on responses from others, it seems that everyone on the waitlist, even one that was added the day before the preorders, got a fair chance of getting an unsigned copy as long as they were paying attention to their emails, so there's at least that silver lining.

However, there are still people unsatisfied with just having unsigned copies, mainly because it was announced at the last minute that the unsigned copies would have different binding than the signedNabuka Prestige Cloth vs. Japanese Cloth, as well as the fact that no unsigned copies are being made for the other Dune releases to my knowledge.

I personally do want to collect the rest of the set as well (and would be grateful to anyone here open to selling to me), but I can wait for them to release Dune Messiah for a potential opportunity to come. It's a bit disappointing that I was kept out of the inner circle yet again, but I have other things to think about in the meantime. Congrats to everyone who got a signed CP copy of Dune (or just any copy, since both are rare and valuable), be sure to value them.

251Nerevarine
Oct 26, 2021, 8:26pm

>250 BlackwellDen: I personally love Japanese Cloth. It’s far better than the standard bookcloth used on other editions. I wouldn’t be mad if my copy was bound in that material.

But I do wonder how much better (or different) Nabuka Prestige Cloth. I guess I’ll find out come December.

252punkzip
Edited: Oct 26, 2021, 8:59pm

>250 BlackwellDen: I'm very happy with my unsigned copy as I just joined the Centipede Press mailing list about a month ago, and my impression before the Dune release that I would have no chance of getting a copy - signed or unsigned. Wasn't it obvious to everyone that you had to get a signed copy to have access to the whole series? As for the binding so what? Japanese cloth is what Suntup commonly uses. I understand that Nubuka has a leather feel - but of course isn't leather. It's not like the signed has any actual leather... Think about it this way - doesn’t a different but still nice binding make the unsigned stand out more than it otherwise would?

I for one have no interest in the whole series. I think the Dune series differs from other series in that one book towers over all the others - the first of course. It's common for people to have only read Dune - this is very much different from other series. I felt Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were substantially worse than the first, and I hated God Emperor. I stopped reading after that, as I understand the last 2 books are not substantial improvements. I can't imagine paying close to $700 for God Emperor, which is probably the worst book I've actually finished. I will likely reread Dune Messiah when the third Dune movie comes out as I understand that is based on Messiah, but have absolutely no interest in ever reading or rereading anything beyond that.

253wcarter
Oct 26, 2021, 9:14pm

I feel it is a little unfair that those who had been on the waitlist for Dune for several years missed out on any copy because the emails were sent at 2am local time, while those who joined the waitlist a few days before release obtained a copy because they were in a more favourable time zone.

I don't feel too bad, because I am happy with my FS Dune LE, but the Centipede edition would have been nice, particularly for the subsequent novels which the FS are unlikely to release.

254punkzip
Edited: Oct 26, 2021, 10:15pm

>253 wcarter: there was actually no waitlist for the unsigned. The link went out to all newsletter subscribers. I had no idea that any copies of Dune would be available until I saw the newsletter. It was not possible to get a signed copy at all unless you were on the waitlist which filled last year as I understand it.

255donaldmcobb
Oct 27, 2021, 9:30am

>254 punkzip: All the confusion around the Dune waitlist is a big reason why Jerad has announced he's not doing waitlists anymore. There was one waitlist, started around 2016, and ultimately it was up to the buyer to determine if they wanted the signed version, and thus rights to the rest of the series, or an unsigned version with no rights.

To be honest, most questions and items of confusion were addressed by Jerad, but the information was only relayed to the FB group (by a member) until the 10/17 email announcing the preorder date and time.

256the_bb
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257fancythings
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 4:30pm

>203 venkysuniverse: awesome, congrats. I got unsigned too. After I purchased it, just a few minutes later unsigned copies were gone. Those signatures are not really valuable to me since Frank Herbert is not around to sign and his facsimile signature seems tacky. Can’t careless about other signatures there. I also was not planning to buy a set of other books in the series.

258Lukas1990
Oct 27, 2021, 4:13pm

>257 fancythings: A family approved signature! What's that? :D

259MobyRichard
Oct 27, 2021, 4:19pm

>258 Lukas1990:

It means the family/estate owns the rights to Frank Herbert's signature.

260MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 4:25pm

>257 fancythings:

Not sure what's tacky about it...it's a facsimile of his actual signature. What possible value would it add for it to be hand written? An author's signature means nothing in the age of mass production anyways. Signatures are only useful in the case of handwritten documents (manuscripts) to help verify it was that person who actually wrote it. Outside of that, the value is purely psychological. Or, in the case of a publisher like Centipede Press, it does have the added benefit that you sometimes get a very nice signature page added (which sometimes includes an extra illustration/background).

261fancythings
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 4:38pm

>259 MobyRichard: I was talking about my personal preferences. I do not value facsimile signatures but agree with you that the value is purely what you think the value is in this particular book. I think this is a beautiful book with it without signatures

262fancythings
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 4:37pm

> Lucas1990 his estate or I think in this case his son gave the rights to Centipede press to put facsimile signature in this edition

263Lukas1990
Oct 27, 2021, 4:38pm

>259 MobyRichard: Is that a real legal concept? It's not signed by him! That's like fake Elvis... Umberto Eco wrote about this phenomena in his book 'Travels In Hyperreality". The family members signing the book by themselves would be more legit.

264fancythings
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 4:40pm

>lucas 1990 exactly why I don’t like facsimile signatures but you can see that some people in here appreciate them. To each it’s own

265kdweber
Oct 27, 2021, 4:53pm

>263 Lukas1990: Yes it is a legal concept and quite heavily used. The descendants of famous artists often allow posters, er, I mean serigraphs, with block signatures (read facsimile signature) to be sold (for substantial royalties of course).

266filox
Oct 27, 2021, 5:56pm

>260 MobyRichard: What possible value would it add for it to be hand written?

The fact that each hand written signature is unique, the fact that the author himself made the decision to sign the book, the fact that they are in limited quantity because after he dies he won't be making any more... Not trying to argue that signatures add that much, but to me at least there is a huge difference between an actual signature and a facsimile signature which I really couldn't care less about. In fact, I would have preferred to not have it, but didn't have a choice.

267ultrarightist
Oct 27, 2021, 6:06pm

>266 filox: I agree with you completely.

268grifgon
Oct 27, 2021, 6:48pm

>266 filox: This facsimile signature does seem a bit goofy. What's the point?

269fancythings
Oct 27, 2021, 7:11pm

>266 filox: absolutely

270fancythings
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 8:45pm

>268 grifgon: just for whatever, seems cooler with it, not. But, both signed and unsigned copies are limited. He was making this book since 2016 and put a lot of work into it. The illustrations are just incredible. I’m sure everything else will be beautiful as well. Not too many people will want to sell it and demand for it will be high. Especially, after successful Dune movie, so the price will be high on the secondary market for both signed and unsigned

271Undergroundman
Edited: Oct 27, 2021, 9:36pm

If Frank Herbert was still alive, he probably would have signed the tip sheets for Jerad. I don't think it detracts at all, but it doesn't add much value either. A lot of CP titles with dead writers have facsimile signatures, and don't see why Frank Herbert is above writers like PKD, and Clark Ashton Smith. This isn't new at all from Centipede Press.

272whytewolf1
Oct 27, 2021, 10:05pm

>270 fancythings: Did you get a copy? I'm very psyched that I was able to get a signed copy and so will be able to collect the series.

273BlackwellDen
Oct 27, 2021, 11:03pm

So someone's have an auction for a signed CP edition Dune on ebay right now, with the initial bid being $2,500 (and people are biting).

It's pretty hilarious, all things considered. I don't even think most of the Folio Society Limited Editions sold for that much, and this one hasn't even been shipped yet. I guess rights to the rest of the series is serious business, but we all know that by now.

274Undergroundman
Oct 27, 2021, 11:37pm

>273 BlackwellDen: The Complete series is going to easily fetch 10k.

Kind of sad, and funny at the same time. Jerad could have easily sold the signed Dune for 1k, but didn't want to fleece the true collectors.

275kdweber
Oct 28, 2021, 12:54am

The primary reason someone may be able to get so much for this edition is that most of the purchasers aren’t interested in selling.

276fancythings
Edited: Oct 28, 2021, 9:37am

>272 whytewolf1: yes, I was able to get it. It was crazy. I paid for it, went back a few minutes later and it was sold out. I actually received confirmation email from Jerad two days ago. Glad you got it too. Now we have to wait till end of Nov or beginning of Dec

277fancythings
Oct 28, 2021, 9:37am

>274 Undergroundman: more like 25k to 28k.

278fancythings
Oct 28, 2021, 9:38am

>275 kdweber: absolutely

279Blakk
Oct 28, 2021, 10:36am

https://subterraneanpress.com/dune

It's up at SubPress. $1250 is the price

280const-char-star
Oct 28, 2021, 11:07am

>279 Blakk: It went very quickly, as one would expect.

281Blakk
Oct 28, 2021, 11:11am

>280 const-char-star: Wow. I almost feel guilty for getting a signed copy of Dune even though I got put on the list only about a year ago. My first ever limited edition book from a small press.

282punkzip
Oct 28, 2021, 12:52pm

>279 Blakk: Glad to see the difference from retail went to charity. Obviously CP could also have charged much more and didn't. Respect to both CP and SubPress.

283Undergroundman
Oct 28, 2021, 2:47pm

>277 fancythings: Doubt it. They will be around the same price point as the Grant Dark Tower Series, and the CP Book of the New Sun set. I guess we will see how much they go for when it's all set, and done.

284fancythings
Oct 28, 2021, 4:11pm

>283 Undergroundman: Dune is much more popular, especially with a new and successfull movie. Look at Subtarranean press Games of thrones series. It’s available on abebooks for 28k

285Undergroundman
Oct 28, 2021, 4:35pm

>284 fancythings: I can list that set for 100k, and it doesn't mean it's worth 100k. The numbered copies go for around 1.5k, and lettereds 4k. Even the lettered set can probably be had for less than 28k right now.

286fancythings
Edited: Oct 28, 2021, 4:49pm

>285 Undergroundman: ok. Me and you are making assumptions, so don’t take it that serious. I know that game of thrones set sold for 17k on ebay from Subtarranean press. So, I’m just guessing and not saying that this will definitely be the case and Dune series will sell for 28k. I have a lot of letterpress books in my collection but non of my letterpress books will sell as much as Dune at $2500. You have to have a popular and desired titles to do that. Letterpress alone won’t do.

287MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 29, 2021, 12:29pm

Fine Press book collecting is a relatively small market so wild price fluctuations are common. I've seen wild 100% price swings on remaining copies simply b/c I bought the cheapest copy of a book second-hand. Trying to guess a book's "objective" value is tough.

288Nerevarine
Edited: Nov 1, 2021, 7:30pm

Apparently a signed copy sold for $3500 on the weekend. Crazy!

289What_What
Nov 1, 2021, 7:36pm

>288 Nerevarine: That is pretty crazy. Was it eBay or in the Facebook group?

290Nerevarine
Edited: Nov 1, 2021, 7:44pm

>289 What_What: It was outside of eBay from what I gathered.

I saw this info on the Dark Tower forum, from webstar (who is pretty trustworthy).

291MobyRichard
Edited: Nov 1, 2021, 9:58pm

People gotta calm down. I wouldn't even pay published price to a second-hand seller for a book that they don't physically possess yet.

292Levin40
Nov 2, 2021, 5:37am

>291 MobyRichard: Yeah, and not just that they don't physically possess, but a book that no one has even seen yet.

293Levin40
Nov 2, 2021, 6:31am

>286 fancythings: Lettered ≠ letterpress

294Objectr
Edited: Nov 2, 2021, 8:14am

>290 Nerevarine: trustworthy perhaps, but also the same gentleman who has claimed that SK is the "most collectible author" EVER. I still chuckle about that one.

295SDB2012
Nov 2, 2021, 1:02pm

>294 Objectr: from the standpoint of money changing hands, that may be true.

296Objectr
Nov 2, 2021, 5:02pm

>295 SDB2012: May be, however as a blanket statement of fact it doesn't check out.

297trentsteel
Dec 15, 2021, 4:07pm

Anyone receive their copies yet? Just curious for US purchasers if it was through USPS.
I thought somewhere it was said it would be through FedEx or UPS, but can't recall where.

298Undergroundman
Edited: Dec 15, 2021, 4:38pm

Haven't got shipping notification yet. Wish he would of delayed until after xmas rush. A lot of stuff is getting lost right now.

299trentsteel
Dec 15, 2021, 4:43pm

>298 Undergroundman: yeah that's part of my concern. I have informed delivery so if usps I'll know, usually. For some reason a handful of CP orders never get logged into informed delivery and just eventually show up.

300whytewolf1
Dec 16, 2021, 1:41am

>297 trentsteel: Some folks on the Facebook group have been showing pics of their received books. Also, IIRC the books were going to ship out via Priority Mail in the US.

301Undergroundman
Dec 16, 2021, 4:09am

I see someone with a 400 number copy is going to get like $3500 on Ebay for it. So the numbers were just shipped randomly, and the first buyers aren't getting low numbers? Hoping that's the case. Since I bought my copy in the middle rounds of emails. Gonna be devastated if it was already "delivered." OMG! 😢

302EthanoMMG
Dec 16, 2021, 6:52am

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303skubrick2899
Dec 16, 2021, 7:19am

>301 Undergroundman: As per Jerad, those with a number of about 420 to 500 are most likely book dealers. So, I wouldn't worry. I'm not sure if there really is an order to it for those who are not subscribers or dealers. Unless you requested a number, I'm sure it's random following those in the first hundred and last hundred.

304donaldmcobb
Dec 16, 2021, 10:08am

>297 trentsteel: I've seen folks in the FB group that received copies via USPS and UPS so far.

305ultrarightist
Dec 18, 2021, 1:18am

I received my copy today.

306What_What
Dec 18, 2021, 9:04am

307ultrarightist
Dec 18, 2021, 11:39am

>306 What_What: I haven't really had a chance to peruse it yet. Just took it out of the box to inspect for any damage (none). It's heavy. I like the interior of the dust jacket more than the exterior. I'm a bit puzzled as to why it wasn't reversed. At a quick glance it looks very promising. I'll peruse it thoroughly tomorrow when I have some time.

308What_What
Dec 18, 2021, 3:40pm

>307 ultrarightist: Thanks for sharing!

309const-char-star
Edited: Dec 18, 2021, 11:31pm

>307 ultrarightist: Fairly certain the dust jacket was made to be reversible.

310ultrarightist
Dec 20, 2021, 2:34pm

My impressions of the Centipede Press Dune after a more thorough perusal are entirely positive. A big, hefty book. The two-part slipcase is commanding, with art and blind stamping on the spine. The map is impressive and the illustrations are well done and apropos. I particularly like the portraits of key characters. The paper is very nice, with a softness unusual to machine-made papers. I would like to know what it is. Careful attention was paid to the typography, and I appreciate the decorative chapter-heading quotes and the teal capitals. Overall, I think it is well worth the wait and the price.

311kdweber
Dec 20, 2021, 2:47pm

Subterranean Press quickly sold its two copies for $3000 each. Price premium to be given to charity.

312MobyRichard
Dec 20, 2021, 4:12pm

>311 kdweber:

The excess crypto wealth...I mean....spice must flow!

313booksforreading
Edited: Dec 20, 2021, 5:42pm

>311 kdweber:
They actually quickly sold 4 copies for that price! :) Bill posted on Facebook yesterday that they had 4 copies, and his email this morning already said "2 copies" - they were gone by mid-morning.
It is impressive that just in the last week or two there have been many people who not only were willing but also able to pay $3000+ for this book!

314What_What
Dec 20, 2021, 5:42pm

>313 booksforreading: It’s a landmark book being published as a landmark edition, so while it’s surprising to me as well, those persons probably justify it by now being able to purchase all the remaining books at list price.

315wcarter
Dec 20, 2021, 6:35pm

Anyone who has both care to compare the Folio Society Dune LE with the Centipede Press version?

316What_What
Dec 20, 2021, 8:30pm

>315 wcarter: I have the FS version, but don’t yet have the Centipede Press. I can say the FS version is quite mundane, to me, apart from the beautiful solander. The reason being so much of what’s present in the LE is also present in the SE. And the prints or other ephemera included in the LE don’t really add much value for me.

The Centipede Press edition is much more exciting because of the small, undiluted limitation, and it has a darker, grittier feel. Not to mention the attraction of having the entire series promised over the next few years.

317kdweber
Dec 21, 2021, 7:52pm

>309 const-char-star: The dust jacket is clearly reversable and I've already reversed mine.

>310 ultrarightist: The paper is Mohawk Superfine.

318MobyRichard
Edited: Dec 25, 2021, 2:59pm

Received my copy today. I prefer the "front" of the dust jacket. The only flaw in the dust jacket illustration imo is the superfluous Fremen "badass" and he's a bit harder to see on that side. The book itself is amazing. Completely different feeling seeing it up close vs. looking at pictures on the internet. Not sure what the book is bound in but I'm guessing suede? Reminds me of the CP 'Forever War'. I recall discussing the 'Dramatis Personae' from the early editions of Seven Pillars of Wisdom with Jerad and the Dramatis Personae here in Dune does an excellent job of evoking that work, which was an undoubted influence on Frank Herbert, without seeming derivative.

I'm also impressed by what the antiquarians might call a 'Cosway binding' (https://www.biblio.com/blog/2011/06/what-is-cosway-binding/), though I guess a true Cosway binding would be hand painted.

My only disappointment (besides aforementioned 'badass') is that the book is not bound in genuine sandworm.

Otherwise a Merry Christmas indeed!

319abysswalker
Dec 25, 2021, 4:13pm

>318 MobyRichard: "Not sure what the book is bound in but I'm guessing suede?"

This edition of Dune features a new introduction by Michael Swanwick, over a dozen new color illustrations by Mark Molnar, along with a new foldout map, a gallery of character portraits, illustrated endpapers, Mylar-wrapped double-sided dustjacket, Nabuka Prestige cloth (unsigned copies are bound in an elegant Japanese black cloth), ribbon marker, top-edge stain, head and tail bands, and an inset image on the front board, all of it enclosed in a custom capped slipcase.

From the product page (which is surprisingly hard to find via the press page):

http://www.centipedepress.com/sf/dunefororder.html

320MobyRichard
Dec 25, 2021, 5:11pm

>319 abysswalker:

That explains it. Apparently Nabuka Prestige cloth is supposed to mimic nubuck leather which is supposed to be a better version of suede.

321fancythings
Jan 9, 5:19pm

>315 wcarter: there’s no comparison. FS LE can’t hold a candle to incredibly detailed and gorgeous Centipede Press Dune. CP Dune made publishing history. Starting with slipcase, binding, paper and incredible illustrations. Just ahead of its time in book presentation department. It took Jerad 6 years to produce it and it really shows. Now, FS limited was just a cheap money grab capitalizing on success of their regular edition, which was just average. So, there’s no comparison.

322trentsteel
Jan 9, 7:51pm

>321 fancythings: if your argument is that the standard fs dune was just average, I would disagree. I own the standard and centipede and for the money, the standard folio is a well produced book, printed end papers, commissioned art, beautiful cover.

I don't have the fs limited so can't compare that.

323punkzip
Edited: Jan 9, 7:56pm

>322 trentsteel: I have both the CP Dune and the FS standard and agree - the FS Dune is one of the best FS standard editions. I'd rank Kafka on the Shore slightly higher, but it is near the very top. For anyone who thinks the FS Dune is just average, what SEs are better?

324trentsteel
Jan 9, 7:58pm

>323 punkzip: nice. Kafka looks great. I want to read a preview first before I purchase. Jumped into book of the new sun blind, and didn't really enjoy it.

325punkzip
Jan 9, 8:05pm

>324 trentsteel: You definitely should as Murakami is not for everyone. I was just talking about the overall aesthetics and art of the book without regard to the content, but one reason that I rank the book so highly is that the art fits the content very well - it's a book where you want the art to be suggestive, but not too specific.

326Undergroundman
Edited: Jan 10, 2:04am

>322 trentsteel: The regular FS Dune is gorgeous. "Average" is something like the FS release of The Road, and I am being kind calling it average.

327donaldmcobb
Jan 10, 9:17am

Here's my two cents on editions that, by all accounts, should have been roughly equivalent:

Folio's editions of Dune and The Call of Cthulhu cost the same - $140. The former is, far and away, a superior production to the latter. The binding, the paper, the slipcase - all better in Dune.

Now I don't know if this is a case of Folio underpricing Dune and relying on volume to make up the difference (a distinct possibility as it's still in print and the Lovecraft isn't), or overpricing The Call of Cthulhu, but I've always been very happy with my purchase of Dune and would be upset about buying The Call of Cthulhu had I not used a coupon to significantly reduce the price.

328abysswalker
Edited: Jan 10, 10:11am

>326 Undergroundman: what are your criticisms of the FS edition of The Road? It's not stunning, but I am happy with my copy. It is printed in Italy by LEGO SpA on Abbey Wove paper, and I find the book design attractive. It has basically the same build specs as the Folio editions of A Wizard of Earthsea and True Grit. Art preference is subjective of course, and something with a bit more edge might suit The Road better, but I don't dislike the art, and the reproduction quality is good. Obviously none of these titles are fine press by any common definition of the term, but they aren't intended to be.

Edit: and to calibrate tastes, I agree that the standard Folio edition of Dune is beautiful. The cover especially, which I actually like more than the cover of the Centipede Press edition, which I have in the unsigned edition. (I ended up selling the Folio Society standard Dune because I don't like the book enough to justify owning two copies, and I also don't think the interior Folio Dune art is as successful as the cover. The rest of the production is great though, for a mass produced book printed offset.)

329What_What
Jan 10, 10:25am

>327 donaldmcobb: I think both are above average, for sure, but for me the Call of Cthulhu comes out ahead. The cloth used for the binding, with the green/purple sheen, along with the gilded top edge, give it the advantage. But both are great for sure.

330fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 2:38pm

>328 abysswalker: just points that everyone has a different taste. I can’t even imagine liking FS Dune cover more than that of CP cover. I think that FS Dune has a very ugly silver buckram cover, and it appears that Paul is in some kind of snow storm. I never liked FS edition. Again, this is just my taste in art. I have a signed CP Dune edition and believe that it’s the most beautiful fine press edition of Dune that was ever published.

I have FS limited edition of The Call of Cthulhu and find it nice but don’t like the illustrations.

331punkzip
Edited: Jan 10, 11:35am

>328 abysswalker: None of the sub-$100 FS books I've seen are very impressive, and I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be for the price (I include here sets of books which are priced below $100 each, like the Foundation Trilogy). IMO by far the most impressive sub $100 FS books are all-time classics (and likely perennial bestsellers) like Wind in the Willows and Alice. For example, WiTW is lavishly illustrated on Modigliani paper - it blows away a lot of other FS titles in its price range.

332Undergroundman
Jan 10, 11:45am

>328 abysswalker: The cover boards, case, and illustrations. That title deserved a way better presentation for being the first Cormac release.

333What_What
Jan 10, 2:50pm

>330 fancythings: It also looks to me as if Paul is in the middle of a snowstorm, which is mind boggling.

334MobyRichard
Edited: Jan 10, 3:08pm

>333 What_What:

I thought so at first too, but they are stars lol...it's more obvious when you see the book in person than on the internet.

I would love it if Sam Weber did one of the CP Dune books. Maybe Chapterhouse Dune? I don't recall that any artist has been announced for that one.

David Ho for God Emperor of Dune would be perfect. It'd be too easy to make the God Emperor look ridiculous but I think David Ho could give him the right gravitas.

335fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 4:00pm

>333 What_What: lol such a bad design, but FS is very proud

336Nerevarine
Jan 10, 4:04pm

>327 donaldmcobb: I know tastes are what they are, and that’s very fine. But to state that one is far and away better than the other? Both have the same Abbey Woven paper and relatively thin cardbox slipcase lol. As for the binding, you most definitely can’t say one is of better quality than the other. They are just of different materials (shiny grey buckram vs two tones cloth). You can definitely have a strong preference, but factually none are far and away a better production quality-wise.

337donaldmcobb
Jan 10, 4:15pm

>336 Nerevarine: Fair enough. However, and this may just be the case for first printings, the slipcase for Dune is not "relatively thin cardboard." It's pretty robust, especially compared to the Call of Cthulhu slipcase. In fact, that was the first thing that jumped out at me - "Why is this slipcase so much flimsier than the one for Dune?"

338Nerevarine
Edited: Jan 10, 4:32pm

>335 fancythings: The standard Edition of Dune is undoubtedly a great success for FS. And from all the posts on Facebook and Instagram, a lot of people find it magnificent. Not sure the dig at Folio is warranted in this case…

Of course it doesn’t hold a candle to the CP Dune, but they are not in the same pricing bracket at all. The Limited Edition on the other hand is another story.

And I did buy both editions (FS LE and CP Unsigned), as >315 wcarter: asked. And while I sold the Folio Limited Edition and will keep the CP edition, they are not thaaaaat far apart production-wise.

Examples :
- Case : I prefer the CP capped slipcase with its blind stamping, blue and orange accents and small circular inset. But the FS case is definitely of better quality material-wise.
- Binding : that’s where CP is far ahead of the FS edition imo. The cloth is of better quality and the huge circular inset image of the sandworm is a sight to behold. I actually prefer the binding/design of FS standard edition compared to the LE.
- Both have top edge stain and a ribbon marker.
- Paper stock : they’re pretty similar imo. FS Abbey Pure Rough is equivalent to Mohawk Superfine for me.
- Both are printed in 2 colors throughout.
- Endpapers : CP endpapers are illustrated (both with a different illustration, which is nice). FS LE has gold ink motif endpapers with a kind of texture. I think they are of better quality.
- Map : While I prefer the map visually on CP Dune (simply because it is more colorful), I prefer having a seperate (and bigger) map like the one from FS LE.
- Illustrations : both have great illustrations and artstyles imo. A shame that there wasn’t more unique illustrations in the FS LE (to further make it stand against the standard edition).

All in all, it’s a matter of tastes and opinions. But as someone who owned both (and prefer the CP edition), both are not that far apart.

339Nerevarine
Edited: Jan 10, 4:29pm

>337 donaldmcobb: Mmmm it might indeed be a case of first printing. Because my fifth printing edition of Dune has a fairly flimsy slipcase, pretty similar to Cthulhu. Let’s say they made far better slipcases quality-wise on some other titles in the same price-range (Anansi Boys for example).

340fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 4:44pm

>338 Nerevarine: I hear you, but respectfully disagree. I think my CP signed Dune edition is way, way , way, way, way better than FS dune limited, which seems like copy and paste of their regular edition with some different colors, slipcase and art prints, which I never liked. CP Dune much darker, with much better and fitting the story illustrations. Nebula binding in mine just magnificent to the touch and pleasure to hold. Slipcase is reversible and Cosway binding is incredible. Paper feels incredible and so is texture of illustrations. I’m sure I’m still missing a lot of other details. I think that FS limited edition can’t even come close to CP both signed and unsigned. CP Dune is in a different league altogether and cant be compared to FS limited. CP is what a Fine press all about, while FS limited was just a cheap money grab without any competition back then.

341Nerevarine
Edited: Jan 10, 5:13pm

>340 fancythings: That’s fine, I have no problem at all with your strong preference of one over the other (but do you have the FS LE?). I also prefer the CP edition.

What I’ll always be arguing though, are bits like these : « CP Dune is in a different league altogether and cant be compared to FS limited. ». I just compared, not in intricate details admittedly, both limited editions and while I think the CP edition is better overall (mainly due to the amazing binding in comparison to the FS LE), they’re most definitely comparable (preferences notwithstanding).

I also don’t think CP Dune is what Fine Press is all about. There’s a lot to love here, and I really appreciate Jerad’s effort (we actually exchanged a couple of emails on this), but…
- it isn’t letterpressed
- the paper is good but not amazing like some other fine press paper
- the binding (and its material) is not as intricate as some of those special fine press ones
- etc.

But then again the price is quite reasonable for what it delivers. Fine press books with production details like those above are more often than not in the thousands of dollars. So they’re not in the same range, and ultimately comparable imo. And that isn’t what CP is about after all.

Oh and I definitely agree that the FS LE was a money grab. It should have been quite a bit cheaper.

342bacchus.
Jan 10, 5:16pm

All 3 are striking editions - it's just that both FS LE and CP are overpriced compared to the FS SE.

343fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 5:38pm

>341 Nerevarine: you making great points. We had FS limited edition and gave it as gift to my relative. We really did not like it. Our letterpress editions are nice but not as nice as CP Dune edition. Letterpress is good but those editions from suntup , letterpress Shakespeare from FS and many others that we have, including no reply press and Arion Press are not as fun as CP Dune. Their paper stock is definitely not better and some worst than Dune. As you can see I’m really impressed by it. Plus none of our letterpress will ever sel for 3k to 5k like CP signed Dune is selling on Ebay

344Nerevarine
Edited: Jan 10, 5:33pm

>343 fancythings: I totally understand you. I’m also in love with my CP Dune!! I have been waiting for it to come out for nearly 3 years (some have been waiting more than double that, imagine)!

345fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 5:35pm

>342 bacchus.: I think CP Dune is underpriced. Jerad could have easily sold it for over 1k per book. He did not want to do it to his customers/collectors. I’m glad like the rest of us that he didn’t. Signed Dune easily sold for 3k at Subtarranean press site. It sells over 3k on Ebay

346fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 5:47pm

>344 Nerevarine: CP signed Dune is my crown jewel and I can’t wait to read it. What am I saying, of course I will not be reading it. I have my paperback for it. Lol. This is only to show off to my friends and family and put safely back on my shelf.

The only thing I don’t like about it is putting it back in its slip case since it’s really tight and I don’t want to damage or scrape Mylar. Also you need to be very careful with its two part slipcase and if you grab it from top shelf and it comes apart you will have a big damage. Have to be careful handling this book. Wow, yes it took Jerad six years to finish this book, as per one of his Sunday emails/letters

347ultrarightist
Jan 10, 7:23pm

>343 fancythings: I am very impressed by the CP Dune and treasure it (I am really enjoying the reading experience). While the Mohawk Superfine paper it uses is very nice, it is not in the same league as the Zerkall mouldmade paper used in the FS letterpress Shakespeare. The latter is markedly superior to the former.

348punkzip
Edited: Jan 10, 7:44pm

>347 ultrarightist: Mohawk superfine is an entry level paper in the fine press world, but an upper end paper for small press offset publications. The FS Letterpress Shakespeare volumes are incredible values, particularly as they are often below retail on the secondary market - half goatskin with marbled boards, letterpress, mouldmade paper. However, I'm not sure why this is being compared to the CP Dune - completely different markets and goals. It doesn't make much sense for an offset book like Dune to use mouldmade paper. I'm curious why Zerkall seems to be the most commonly used mouldmade paper (as opposed to Rives, Magani, and so on). The best mouldmade paper in a book I own is actually Johannot.

349fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 7:50pm

>347 ultrarightist: yes. Fs letterpress Shakespeare paper is very nice and rough at its edges. But, I enjoy Dune more with its new paper and illustrations. Signature page was made out of carton and or very thick paper stock. A lot of details in Dune book, which I enjoy. May be paper is little bit better in FS Letterpress editions of Shakespeare, but I enjoy Dune much more.

They are not cheap at $800 plus on ebay and abebooks but still small potatoes compare to Dune at 3k plus to 5600k on a secondary market

350ultrarightist
Jan 10, 8:07pm

>347 ultrarightist: I completely agree. I made the comparison because >343 fancythings: did so, and titled the balance in the wrong direction as to relative fineness/quality. >349 fancythings: rectified that somewhat. The difference is more than just a "little bit better."

351fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 8:14pm

>350 ultrarightist: you might be right, but I can’t just enjoy paper, I have to enjoy the whole book. We have 10 letterpress Shakespeare editions from FS. So, I know exactly what you talking about. I agree that they are very beautiful with hand made marble paper. I still enjoy my CP Dune more, but that could change too lol

352punkzip
Edited: Jan 10, 8:21pm

>345 fancythings: So, you base how much you like a book by the secondary market price? To be clear, the CP Dune is NOT 3K on the secondary market. Rather, it is the CP Dune + rights to future publications in the series which are in the 3K range. So really, most of the secondary market value of the signed book is not in the physical book, but the rights. The unsigned price is an indicator of how much someone would value the physical book itself.

If FS had decided to publish one Letterpress Shakespeare (say Hamlet) with a limitation of 500, and then have a rights system based on Hamlet for ALL the Letterpress Shakespeare volumes, I can easily imagine the price of Letterpress Hamlet passing 3K.

353fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 8:29pm

>352 punkzip: no , I never judge my books based on secondary market prices lol . I was just making a point that my letterpress editions would never sell for that much. And, sometimes materials does not matter. I remember it took FS a very long time to sell letterpress Shakespeare even when they were on sale. It just did not have exclusivity of Dune that sold in couple of hours. And, not all people who paid 3k and more for signed Dune will want to buy other books in the Dune saga. I completely disagree that if you remove “the rights” the price will come down. Dune movie caused a lot of hype around Dune book and some people/collectors will pay a lot to have signed edition of Dune with exclusive never done before illustrations, and overall presentation. This book is beautiful on its own. Plus, why people pay 2k plus for unsigned edition, if rights do not come with it?

354donaldmcobb
Jan 10, 8:25pm

>339 Nerevarine: So I pulled both out to compare and...we're both kind of right? The actual dimensions are very similar between the two slipcases in terms of thickness and whatnot, but the Dune slipcase doesn't feel as flimsy as the CoC one. Perhaps higher quality cardboard? Very strange.

355wcarter
Jan 10, 8:38pm

I was on the waiting list for the CP Dune for five years, but missed out because the email allowing me to order arrived at 2am on a day when I was out of internet range.
Not happy.
CP should have acted in the same way as Lyra's with Dorian Grey and allowed longer for a response.

356fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 8:44pm

>355 wcarter: sorry to hear that, but did you speak to Jerad. He might still be able to help and find a book for you? He answer emails pretty fast

357wcarter
Jan 10, 8:50pm

>356 fancythings:
Yes, but all copies gone.

358fancythings
Edited: Jan 10, 9:06pm

>357 wcarter: try it, he might have something that was damaged but repaired. Did you buy picture of Dorian Gray from Lyra books it looks beautiful. I want one. Is it sold out now?

359wcarter
Jan 10, 10:28pm

>358 fancythings:
I have emailed Jerad, but he is unable to help.
I have ordered Lyra’s Dorian Gray.

360fancythings
Jan 10, 10:33pm

>359 wcarter: sorry to hear that but at least you will have Dorian. Which one did you get lettered or numbered

361What_What
Edited: Jan 10, 10:59pm

>355 wcarter: He announced the date and time a week in advance, and there were only ever 500 books for an 800-person wait list, so hundreds were going to be disappointed anyway. Your post sounds like there was no warning or announcement for when the order email was supposed to go out.

Also, you can’t compare Dorian Gray to Dune, you’d have to compare it to Dune Messiah. Dorian is the second book in the series, with a leisurely ordering period for people with rights. Jerad was never going to be able to wait around for persons who couldn’t make it in time to order Dune, as it’s the first book.

362filox
Jan 11, 4:38am

>352 punkzip: So really, most of the secondary market value of the signed book is not in the physical book, but the rights

This isn't true. First of all, many people won't even order the other books in the series (just read a bit around in this forum for example). But also, the binding in the unsigned is not the same as in the signed version, and it's obviously missing the signatures which some folks care about. I highly doubt that rights are what is being priced in here.

363Lukas1990
Jan 11, 6:06am

>362 filox: You mean the signature of F. Herbert's ghost!

364bacchus.
Jan 11, 7:01am

Most of the secondary market value is thin air. As far as Dune goes the market goes way beyond the meticulous collecting crowd one finds in these forums - different people, different values. As far as this community is concerned I agree with >352 punkzip:; the most valid reason one would burn 3k is for the rights.

In general there's being a huge influx of book collectors during the last couple of years; demand has skyrocketed. I believe the hype will die post-COVID when people redistribute their spare money to abandoned hobbies and outdoor activities.

365punkzip
Jan 11, 7:03am

>362 filox: The unsigned has a Japanese cloth binding and the signed has a faux leather fabric. Its not like it's cloth and goatskin. In any case, there is a dust jacket. The signatures are not particularly valuable because Frank Herbert did not of course actually sign the book. The unsigned is also rarer - 250 vs 500 copies. I guess we won't know for sure as the rights follow the book, and one cannot (like with Suntup and Amaranthine) sell the book without rights, but I maintain that the primary secondary market value of the signed CP Dune (over the unsigned version) is in the rights.

366punkzip
Edited: Jan 11, 7:53am

>364 bacchus.: Agreed. There is far less attention to the actual physical qualities of the book in small press genre collecting in general. Many of lettered states put out by small press genre publishers are just traycased versions of the numbered state - sometimes with a different binding (the type of binding is often not even specified which is a good indicator that it doesn't even matter). The paper is typically the same, and again often not even specified as it doesn't matter to many buyers. In these cases, one is paying for the limitation, and with the first book in a series, the rights. Letterpress doesn't seem to matter much - for example for a publisher (Suntup) with does both letterpress and offset, the majority of the most popular books have actually been offset. There is also a heavy focus on short-term secondary market prices and a lot of short-term buying and selling which one doesn't see in the fine press world. Of course, there is an overlap as well, with publisher's like Lyra's combining traditional fine press virtues with rights systems.

I also agree that there will be a substantial decline in interest - and likely secondary market prices - post-COVID.

367fancythings
Edited: Jan 11, 7:54am

>366 punkzip: you forgetting about the Dune the movie hype. Second part and possibly more will be coming out. This book prices will be out of control for a long time and post pandemic too. Eventually, it will be hard to get and it will drive prices even higher, but then collectors will have more books in Dune saga from CP and it will be in high 20s or even 30s for all the books in the series

368supercell
Jan 11, 7:53am

367: The Door the movie? Are you referring to this or this blockbuster?

369fancythings
Jan 11, 7:54am

>368 supercell: lol the Dune. I fixed it. Thanks

370What_What
Jan 11, 8:40am

The signed books are definitely going for what they are mostly because they have rights associated with them. The signatures and binding accounts for some of it, but if anyone ever tried selling a signed version without rights, I don’t think anyone would buy it. Not that that’s possible anyway.

371fancythings
Edited: Jan 11, 8:49am

>370 What_What: Again, I disagree some people who purchased signed Dune for 3k or more will not buy any other books from the series, and just want deluxe signed Dune edition. Unsigned edition of Dune sold for over 2k. They have no rights, so this person just wanted first book for whatever reasons

372MobyRichard
Edited: Jan 11, 10:08am

>366 punkzip:

I've never seen a difference, signature wise. There's a reason you still have to pay through the nose to whoever the estate is to get an authorized facsimile signature. People still put a lot of value on it.

I personally don't care for a signature one way or another. It's not 1653 when 20 other people could plagiarize or steal and reprint your work without the slightest consequence. We know exactly who the real author, publisher, illustrator, etc. are and we know all copies are legitimate authorized copies. There's no chances of say...pirating or fakes due to loose copyright laws.

>367 fancythings:

I don't think Dune will get to 20s or 30s. Even the holy grail Song of Ice and Fire (Meisha and Subterranean) could never get that high except for the lettered edition and then only barely. And Song of Ice and Fire way more popular than Dune.

373punkzip
Edited: Jan 11, 10:33am

>372 MobyRichard: I for one attach no value to facsimile signatures. In terms of long term value for the series, it is worth noting that 500 is actually a large limitation by contemporary standards (where 26 copy lettered states are common), and also that Dune is unlike a lot of other series in that one book - the first - towers above all the others in popularity, and many (myself included) consider the later books , perhaps starting with God-Awful of Dune, not to be worthwhile at all. It is very difficult for me to see series with 500 copies, no actual author signature, and later books which many people have not read and don't want to read being anywhere close to 20-30K. It's also possible that another press could do the series.

374donaldmcobb
Edited: Jan 11, 10:35am

>372 MobyRichard: First, I question whether ASoIaF has ever been more popular than Dune. But even allowing that for a brief time it was, the last few seasons of the show (and especially the last season) destroyed a great deal of interest in the series as a whole (including the books). Combine that with Martin's glacial progress on Winds of Winter, and you've seen the value of the Meisha Merlin and SubPress editions take a substantial hit. Don't get me wrong, there's still significant value and interest in both the series and the limited edition books, it's just a lot less than it was 10 years ago.

I think a more apt comparison for a completed Dune set is the completed Book of the New Sun set (including Castle of the Otter and Urth of the New Sun). A full set is probably going to run you $10k to $20k, depending on a variety of factors (matching numbers, which of the absurd number of unrecorded binding variations you get, etc.). I suspect that, in the long run, the Dune series will hold a similar value; the limitation on BotNS is much smaller (100 copies) but Dune is more widely known and popular, so those factors will be a wash.

375fancythings
Edited: Jan 11, 10:49am

>373 punkzip: all I can say is that time will tell for how much the entire CP made Dune series will be selling on a secondary market.

376ultrarightist
Jan 11, 10:55am

>374 donaldmcobb: "Martin's glacial progress on Winds of Winter"

A very apt phrase

377abysswalker
Jan 11, 3:09pm

>341 Nerevarine: I agree.

The colophon-type statement near the end of my unsigned copy says only: hc.: alk. paper. The product page on the web site specifies Mohawk Superfine.

There is no info about the book designer (or design firm) anywhere that I can see.

There is no info about image reproduction method. Based on the appearance, it looks like decently high quality color laser perhaps.

There is no info about the printer or binder beyond: printed and bound in the United States.

All of the components are mass-produced and machine-assembled, as far as I can tell.

Don't get me wrong, I like the book for what it is, which is a thoughtfully constructed offset printed edition of a landmark work with extensive extras, both in terms of content (custom art, fold out map, etc.) and physical flourishes (top stain, ribbon bookmark, capped slipcase, mylar dust jacket protection included by default, etc.).

The most impressive construction detail to my eye is actually the circular medallion inset into the spine of the slipcase cap. It has the look and feel of glass or high-quality acrylic, and is set flush with the slipcase binding, which lends a distinctive and premium feel. I don't own any other books with this particular kind of detail, so it stands out.

Centipede Press Dune is a triumph for a small genre press, but is not comparable, craftsmanship-wise, to the work of presses that employ manual crafting and the finest materials, such as Barbarian, Lyra's, or Foolscap (just to pick a few currently active presses).

378MobyRichard
Edited: Jan 11, 3:55pm

>374 donaldmcobb:

I mean, a 10 second google search shows 90 millions copies of ASOIAF sold and 20 million copies of Dune sold...even if these numbers are not accurate or out of date...even a potential 70 million copy gap is pretty definitive. And this despite the fact that dune had about a 40 year head start...

It's also a pretty easy guess even without Google. Sci-Fi is well known to have lower sales across the board compared to other genres like romance, fantasy, detective stories, and thrillers. Not sure about horror...I assume probably on par with sci-fi.

379fancythings
Edited: Jan 11, 4:20pm

>378 MobyRichard: search it again one year from now. Im sure it will be a different story. CP Dune is incredibly gorgeous book and selling for incredible amount of money to get the rights or not. I like books like that on top of my incredible lettered and first editions. I also find CP Dune book to be well made no matter what are the materials with great illustrations, which I don’t find in my letterpress editions. This book is more exciting to me than most of my letterpress and first editions.

380filox
Jan 11, 4:19pm

>365 punkzip: The signatures are not particularly valuable because Frank Herbert did not of course actually sign the book

I mean the signature of the artist, not that of the author.

>365 punkzip: The unsigned is also rarer - 250 vs 500 copies

Yes, and the poem that my 3-yo wrote on a napkin is one of a kind so it must be worth even more.

Overall, it's pretty much impossible to tell why someone pays 3k for a copy of Dune (except for maybe asking them?), though I maintain that it's not due to rights. The signed copy is just *the* copy to have if you're collecting this and you don't want to end up with a substandard edition. It's kinda like when people collect 1/1 and the price difference between a clipped and an unclipped dust jacket is huge.

381MobyRichard
Edited: Jan 11, 4:24pm

>379 fancythings:

Lol....I prefer Dune personally to ASOIAF and sorry I don't usually get into arguments on librarything. But now you're just spewing total nonsense. You're saying Dune (a book published decades ago and already the best bestselling Sci-Fi novel of all time) will sell more than 70 million copies in a year? The Dune movie barely cracked $100 million dollars domestic. That's equal to the average budget for a single season of Game of Thrones...or are you arrogant enough to think your personal opinion of a novel will generate 70 million copies in sales? Not that 70 million is enough b/c of course ASOIAF will continue to sell copies and pad its lead the entire time...

382Undergroundman
Jan 11, 4:26pm

>380 filox: Dune will always fetch at least 2k to 3K. The Suntup Road which was signed by Joyce Carol Oates is selling for like 2k without rights, and it's not as impressive as CP's Dune.

CP's Dune is going to be one of those outliers that will always command top dollar.

383donaldmcobb
Jan 11, 4:28pm

>378 MobyRichard: Your quick google search has you comparing total series sales with sales of the first book in a six-book (or 21-book, depending on whether you want to count failson's contributions) series. To be fair, it seems to be virtually impossible to make a comparison between the two because as near as I can tell, Martin's sales are ALWAYS reported as a series and Herbert's sales are ALWAYS limited to just Dune. I'd wager that the Frank Herbert Dune series has probably sold slightly less (say, within 10 million copies) of ASoIaF, and the Dune Chronicles as a whole has sold slightly more (again, within 10 million copies). I'm not sure where that leaves us...

I'm also very, very hesitant to only consider sales in these kinds of discussions because you start getting in to some weird places when you look at books and series that have sold extremely well over a short period due to a massive spike in popularity followed by a equally massive fall (Twilight, anyone?). I'd prefer to look at overall franchise reach - what has each done outside of the books? But even then I suspect it'd be hard to definitively state which one is more popular.

384fancythings
Edited: Jan 11, 4:43pm

>381 MobyRichard: you need to come down. What I’m saying sales of dune will be different a year from now and possibly higher than game of thrones in the next year, when comparing dune and game of thrones books sales for the next year. Sorry for not spelling it out for you. Don’t forget about the Dune movie that created a lot of excitement around the book. And, if you are jealous of not getting CP Dune edition,(and you really seem that way) you can still buy it on a secondary market, 5k is good price since you also buying the rights.
Yes, I’m being sarcastic because the nonsense numbers you get from your google searches say absolutely nothing about a new found fame of Dune,

385fancythings
Jan 11, 4:46pm

>382 Undergroundman: absolutely agree and all signs point to that it will remain to be in high demand as it finally made it into a popular culture

386SDB2012
Jan 11, 7:38pm

>378 MobyRichard: It's also a pretty easy guess even without Google. Sci-Fi is well known to have lower sales across the board compared to other genres like romance, fantasy, detective stories, and thrillers. Not sure about horror...I assume probably on par with sci-fi.

Romance by far #1 Genre--- from bookadlist in 2019 Horror is way down the list. Look in the horror section in any book store. It's tiny and filled with King.

Book Genres That Make the Most Money

Romance/Erotica – $1.44 billion – From the success of the Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy and the number of novels written by people like Danielle Steele, there’s no surprise that romance and erotica are #1.
Crime/Mystery – $728.2 million – There’s nothing like the thrill from a mystery novel. The suspense is intriguing enough that it keeps you on board. It’s all about the build-up, the surprises, even the letdowns. Crime and mystery stories are so wild and fascinating, but also seem plausible.
Religious/Inspirational – $720 million – Things may be going great but you may need a little push. Everyone can use some inspiration. From how-to books, holy texts, and even memoirs, inspirational and religious texts.
Science Fiction/Fantasy – $590.2 million – Dragons, elves, witches, robots, the possibilities are endless. We love escaping into a fictional land. There’s nothing that people can’t achieve through magic or extraordinary circumstances in this genre.
Horror – $79.6 million – Horror has earned its place on this list. If you think of Stephen King and the ways his work has been adapted to screen, or old horrors like Dracula and Frankenstein, there are endless stories that people love.

387filox
Jan 12, 4:42am

>386 SDB2012: this hides the fact that the most sold books of all time are in fact fantasy (Harry Potter, LOTR, Narnia). Genres like romance come ahead because of the sheer volume of what's being written, but each individual book isn't that popular. But this is getting way off topic...

388bacchus.
Edited: Jan 12, 6:34am

I'm just somewhat stunned how anyone can advocate spending 3k on Dune and call it a good deal. There's objective, there's honest-subjective and there's sheer excitement. It definitely makes sense to a very few and that's fine but that should be about it.
I advocate for responsible enablement :)

As for the creeping genre/book popularity subject I doubt that's an accurate indicator of the highest price point one is willing to spend on a book. Horror for few thousand? Plausible. A luxury release of 40 Shades of Gray? Probably not - popular audience, faster consumption rate, different market.

389donaldmcobb
Jan 12, 10:01am

>388 bacchus.: The price on Dune is almost entirely FOMO. Whether that's FOMO over the rest of the series or FOMO over owning the nicest edition, it's still FOMO. Over time the price is likely to moderate a bit; it'll always be a pricey title, but I suspect the prices we're seeing now represent the high water mark.

Horror may be lowest selling of the genres, but it has something of an outsized place in terms high-priced books, due largely to one person: Stephen King. A few grand is on the extreme low end for some editions of his stuff. Just yesterday Cemetery Dance announced an edition of his collaboration with Stewart O'nan, A Face in the Crowd, and the lettered edition is a) $4000 and b) sold out instantly, before public announcement. Imagine how much it'll go for on the secondary market in six or seven years, once it's actually published.

390SDB2012
Jan 12, 11:14am

>387 filox: Dickens says, hold my beer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

On topic, with Dune- love the CP production.

391NathanOv
Edited: Jan 12, 12:12pm

>390 SDB2012: It's always bizarre to me not just that A Tale of Two Cities is the best-selling single volume of all time, but also that it's Dicken's best selling work. Like, I'm sure this group is an exception given our affinities for literature, but I don't personally know anyone now who could give even a broad outline of A Tale of Two Cities to me, while everybody knows A Christmas Carol and Oliver Twist and most at least remember the basics of Great Expectations

392punkzip
Edited: Jan 12, 12:33pm

>391 NathanOv: Is there a more famous opening line than the first line of Tale of Two Cities? Maybe Moby Dick?

393trentsteel
Jan 12, 12:08pm

>392 punkzip: it was the best of times it was the blurst of time....

394filox
Jan 12, 6:08pm

>388 bacchus.: I'm on the other hand always amazed by how closed minded this forum can be. Obviously the only books that should command high prices are contemplative explorations and celebrations of wild places in the Pacific Northwest. I guess the inability to understand how others can find something beautiful that you yourself do not is quite human in the end...

>390 SDB2012: It's unclear if Dickens is indeed the most sold book of all time, different websites say different things and no one has exact numbers. But my point is that among the most sold books (say, top 10, 20 or 100) a large number is fantasy genre, which is not what the cumulative numbers show. Or put differently, fantasy has many more heavy hitters compared to other genres.

395SDB2012
Jan 12, 7:21pm

>394 filox: yeah I know. I was just having a little fun. +) You could argue that Hobbit and HP are also books for children that are read by a lot of adults. In the end, your point is well made. The best selling series seem to be the fantasy, crime/mystery, and a couple of series for children that have legs.

396ultrarightist
Jan 12, 8:00pm

>395 SDB2012: Are there any series for children who have no legs?

397SDB2012
Jan 12, 8:39pm

>396 ultrarightist: nope. It's a very ableist genre. It's been a long week and I'm too tired to edit the sentence. You know what I mean. 😀

398bacchus.
Jan 12, 11:36pm

>394 filox: Don't really know where you are coming from but seems you presumed quite a lot and decided I'm it. If I did offend you somehow I apologize. If we can't be civil then let's leave it be.

399wongie
Edited: Jan 13, 9:40am

Got my copy today in the UK after three long weeks of waiting. I think the box must have endured through a sandstorm cos it took quite a beating. Thankfully there was sufficient bubble-wrap inside to completely protect it.



Everything here are just my initial thoughts over my now unexpectedly overextended lunch break: A very handsome edition. I didn't really pay attention to the original dimensions when I bought it but it's big, about a few MMs smaller than the Folio LE. It has a very dirty (not literally) and grungy aesthetic to its overall art and design.

Text print is clean, presentation is superb as are CP's introductions that tend to include images of past editions of the book which I always find interesting. No quibbles there. The paper is somewhat wavey though, not a big issue.

Slipcase is of their usual sturdy design, with some nice marbled fore edge that matches the dust jacket, though I was never a huge fan of how tight they are compared to other presses. The inclusion of a Mylar wrapping for the dust jacket is a very welcome surprise (again like the dimensions it wasn't something I picked out from the description page) especially after noticing some other CP slipcase editions of mine, Ender's Game and Childhood's End have some noticeable edge wearing to their jackets which I never seem to get around buying Mylar for.

The paper used for the artwork is markedly better, thicker and more textured, than that used for the text which seems pretty normal for any production. The artwork itself is ermmm... something. It has a very generic dark sci-fi feel to you that Google search will bring out in droves but I'm sure will appeal to many.



The binding has a very unique texture to it, it doesn't feel like cloth at all, rather a smoother and far better take on the eco simulated leather for those who own/ed a copy of the FS LE Call of Cthulhu.

Overall this is a very strong and stylistically cohesive edition.


























In terms of comparisons with the Folio LE I'm in agreement in general with Nerevarine's comments; both have their merits and there isn't a clear winner.

The raw artwork count of the CP is definitely the better value with around 18 pages of art including the end paper illustrations and title pages plus another 12 images for the Dramatis Personae featuring Richard Madden of Game of Thrones and Eternals as Duncan Idaho, Nicolas II of Russia as Shaddam IV and Rene Rene Auberjonois of Star Trek DS9 and Boston Legal as Dr Yueh. That puts it around 30 (give or take one or two miscounts on my part) compared to the Folios 14 or so.

The artwork design and styles couldn't more apart from each other; I'm not necessarily a huge fan of either though if pushed I would personally pick Folio's and Weber's more cleaner aesthetic. I wouldn't say either has particularly captured the essence of Dune in any quintessential way that makes you shout "That's Dune! That other one isn't" Some might prefer the more "pure" sci fi style of the CP while others, of my inclination, might prefer the more subtle Arabic-influenced flourishes such as the patterning used on the endpapers and box cloth.

However production wise I will have to give Folio Society, being the bigger operation, the edge in terms of production; the Abbey Wove they used in the LE is noticeably superior to that of the Centipede production which is already, as mentioned, visibly wavey, and their use of the patterned and textured endpapers is also a point winner in term of paper comparisons. The box is a better designed contraption with the silk-pull tab which reduces wear when taking the book out in comparison with CP's approach of a tight slipcase necessitating Mylar wrapping (which again I will note is a welcome add on)

I was initially enamoured with the Folio LE cover but after looking at the totality of Dune covers it's really rather dull (but I still think the use of a Bene Gesserit sister holding the pain box as the image of the actual box was an ingenious idea) and I've also come see too much of an 80s synthwave style with the background sun which is really jarring and something I can't unsee.



When you include the standard Folio edition however I think the original standard edition becomes a particularly stand out volume with its silver and blue aesthetic which makes it a very unique design, especially when you also factor in all the other past and present mass produced editions of Dune that rely on the sand theme which is quite a bore. In retrospect I think Folio made the right call by not going the generic brown, sand red themes; while I don't particularly like Paul as the main cover subject I do think the standard edition has the best looking spine with the appealing symmetricity of the Herbert's name at the top and their monogram on the opposite end in identical font styling before they switched to their ugly FS monogram they now put on everything which ruined the LE.

However, all that said about the FS editions, CP is one of those smaller presses that will always carry with their books a certain intangible home-cooked quality compared to Folio's clinical productions (which might sound strange) that some might feel a little soulless.




Before arriving I had entertained the notion that I don't need both and selling one off once I've glossed both other. Having both in hand I really don't feel the desire to sell one unless I'm in dire financial straights; as mentioned their styles are so far apart they end up complimenting each other in their contrasting aesthetics. The CP does fit the FS box nicely so maybe the best of both worlds.

400donaldmcobb
Jan 13, 10:54am

>399 wongie: That's a very thorough and well-reasoned review/comparison. Thanks!

401What_What
Edited: Jan 13, 11:01am

>399 wongie: Detailed review! Great job.

Does anyone else wish the enclosure’s artwork extended onto the cap? The way it is right now, it feels as if they were drawing the artwork and incorrectly thought they ran out of space, forgetting there was additional space on the cap.

402bacchus.
Edited: Jan 13, 11:26am

>399 wongie: Wow! Great review - thanks for taking the time to prepare this.
The CP illustrations are hard not to like. I welcome some darkness.
The FS illustrations grew on me the second time I read the book. The face expressions appropriately reflect the characters' main traits: betrayal, evil, innocence, maturity, mistrust and so on.

403SDB2012
Jan 13, 12:08pm

>399 wongie: 1) I thought my box was bad when the postman shoved the entire thing into my mailbox! Thankfully, Jerad packs well. I've never had a CP book arrive in a damaged condition. 2) You did that review on your lunch break? Nice review!

I like that the size is more manageable than some of the major CP releases.

404fancythings
Edited: Jan 13, 1:08pm

>403 SDB2012: I like my signed CP Dune edition very much. It’s still a big book but pleasure to hold and read

405Undergroundman
Edited: Jan 13, 1:18pm

Still haven't opened my signed edition. Not really a fan of the case. Seems to be a magnet for dust, and dirt. Also don't like the case artwork. Not as striking as Ender's Game, and Kafka on the Shore. Seriously considering having a custom case made for it.

406donaldmcobb
Jan 13, 1:43pm

>405 Undergroundman: I don't know if you're on FB, but there was a person in the CP group making a very limited number of custom cases for the book + slipcase.

407Undergroundman
Jan 13, 1:49pm

>406 donaldmcobb: Damn. Hate facebook. Can you please tell the casemaker to list on Ebay? LOL Thanks.

408SDB2012
Edited: Jan 13, 3:43pm

>404 fancythings: Yeah. I should refrain from posting when I'm mentally fatigued. I dig it too. I love the value the Jerad provides at various price points. My only grip with CP is that some of the books are too big for my taste. It makes them harder to read and I have to have special shelves for the giant books. I do love the Dune.

409fancythings
Edited: Jan 13, 4:31pm

>408 SDB2012: lol more book to enjoy plus it makes illustrations more impressive. Big book and large illustrations. Everything needs to be bigger for Dune book. I did not like two part slipcase. If you put it on your top shelf and forget that this slip case consists of two parts and pull the book out, this slip case will come apart and you can possibly drop the book from the shelf. Damage is guaranteed.

410fancythings
Jan 13, 7:02pm

I’m wondering how much Jerad will be charging for Dune Messiah. Maybe next book will be much cheaper. What do you think?

411Undergroundman
Jan 13, 7:21pm

>410 fancythings: At least $400, and if the rights follow the book... it's a bargain at that price assuming you want the series.

412fancythings
Edited: Jan 13, 7:44pm

>411 Undergroundman: yes, I want all of them for my library, not to sell. $400 is much better than what we paid for signed edition, especially if Jerad keeps making it beautiful with incredible illustrations, and quality materials. But, people who end up selling entire series will be making a killing, especially with a second part of Dune movie in the works creating a hype. I read that Villeneuve will be making Dune Messiah to complete this movie saga.

413c_schelle
Jul 18, 8:50am

Has anybody heard something about Dune Messiah? There were some mentions in the newsletter, but I haven't heard anything recently.

414wongie
Jul 18, 10:17am

No, nothing since February.

Dune Messiah has been submitted to the bindery. There are a couple issues with the color and we will be reprinting a couple of those sections. Otherwise, it should be moving ahead fairly soon. A note on the material used to bind the book. We might go with a full cloth binding for all copies of Dune Messiah when it is bound rather than the synthetic cloth material we used for Dune. The Nabuka Prestige microfiber material had some issues, and right now it is hard to secure. Now for the all-important question. When will it be shipping? We don’t know! Your guess is as good as ours! But I am hoping for July, August, September, October, or November!

In terms of tempering expectations it's probably better to think the latter end of his estimate is more likely shipping window or even possibly up to Christmas.

415Levin40
Jul 18, 10:55am

>413 c_schelle: >414 wongie: Given recent delays (e.g. Powers of Darkness) and considering how long the first Dune took, I'd be quite surprised if we see it this year.

416whytewolf1
Jul 18, 12:46pm

>415 Levin40: I agree. I'm thinking more like early 2023. That's based on the fact that it's mid-July, and Dune Messiah has not even been mentioned among the last group of 10-12 titles that Jerad says are relatively imminent. But who knows. Jerad has certainly thrown us curve balls before!

417MobyRichard
Edited: Jul 18, 1:03pm

>399 wongie:

Great review! Not an easy comparison when one of the artists is Sam Weber. I do like Molnar's work here, but it's weirdly inconsistent. The dramatis personae art at the beginning reminds me too much of board game or trading card art and doesn't really match the rest of his illustrations. And it's always going to be hard to surpass the iconic John Scoenherr sandworm. I'd be interested to see David Ho's interpretation but I don't feel anyone has topped Scoenherr yet, whether on paper, on film, etc.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5b/8f/2c/5b8f2cd663d47569a8b0530937119df4.jpg

I'm looking forward to the Marc Simonetti illustrations: https://art.marcsimonetti.com/dune-by-frank-herbert
Just for the sheer scale.

418L.Bloom
Jul 18, 3:09pm

>399 wongie: Splendid and thorough review. Thank you. The size comparison is quite stark. I have the FS standard and thought it fairly unwieldy but seeing it compared to the LE and CP editions it is rather petite!