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Lifelong Republicans Endorse Joe Biden -- Trump Cultist Heads Explode!

1Limelite
Edited: Apr 17, 2020, 2:58 pm

WaPo has the story on what "Righteous Republicans" are doing to rid us of the meddlesome president whose executive ability extends no further than destroying needed regulation, health coverage, and honorable civil servants in order to enhance his reputation as Putin's Puppet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/15/weve-never-backed-democrat-pr...

The GOP under Trump seems hell bent to commit political suicide, aligning itself with everything despicable in human nature and inhumane politics for the sake of building what, exactly? -- Crickets --

Some prominent lifelong conservatives are determined to defend what used to be an honorable political party. They have endorsed Joe Biden for president.
George Conway, Reed Galen, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson argued that Americans absolutely needs a change in leadership as it faces its worst crisis in years.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/lifelong-republicans-endorse-joe-biden-for-pres...

Could it be there are clear thinking people on the right of the political spectrum who recognize the historical enemy -- a tyrannical and dictatorial Russia -- is still our adversary? Is it that they recognize that Putin, unable to restore a "Soviet" Russia, has determined that destroying American democracy using a willing proxy is a cheaper solution than building his country into a world power? Could these dissenting Republicans believe that the power of federal government does actually arise from the people's consent to be governed, not from the oligarchs' desire to rule?

It appears so.

2Limelite
Apr 17, 2020, 2:44 pm

When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.

Biden is now the presumptive Democratic nominee and he has our support. Biden has the experience, the attributes and the character to defeat Trump this fall. Unlike Trump, for whom the presidency is just one more opportunity to perfect his narcissism and self-aggrandizement, Biden sees public service as an opportunity to do right by the American people and a privilege to do so.


3proximity1
Edited: Apr 17, 2020, 3:42 pm


(Note: No need to actually look at the foregoing bullshit posts in order to base a comment on the thread's title alone. Up to this, there has been nothing except crap and nonsense in this thread and the comment below helps a fair-minded reader understand why that is.)

There's no "story" here--except perhaps the banal observation that there isn't and never has been cause for any surprise, however slight, at Joe Biden's finding support--sincere support--among Republicans. Many Republicans, after all, were among those "Never Trumpers" and they of course voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Yet, LOL!, there simply weren't enough of them in the right states, to stop the "unelectable" Donald Trump from kicking Hillary's sorry ass in the Electoral college count.

4Limelite
Apr 17, 2020, 3:42 pm

Joe Biden is more than "not Trump."
Biden understands a tenet of leadership that far too few leaders today grasp: The presidency is a life-and-death business, that the consequences of elections have real-world effects on individual Americans, and that all of this — all of the struggle, toil and work — is not a zero-sum game.


The Lincoln Project members aren't the only Republican voices in the wilderness of the scorched earth Trump has left in his wake as head of the Party. Longtime conservative columnist, Max Boost, issued his reasoned opinion that Joe Biden, a Democrat, may be what cures and saves the life of the GOP.

From January this year, https://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/local-news/2020/01/07/alienated-republicans...
It’s great to see Sanders and former president Barack Obama endorsing Biden. But it is also important for Republican elders to do so, since that will make it clear to middle-of-the-road voters (who will determine the outcome) that it’s safe to vote for a Democrat. We need to hear from the great and the good of what remains of the pre-Trump GOP.


Republican Michigan Mayor "endorses Biden instead of 'deranged' Trump" https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486833-michigan-gop-mayor-ditches-deranged...

Former New Hampshire GOP Sen. Gordon Humphrey announced his endorsement for former Vice President Joe Biden.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news...

Matt Lewis, Conservative columnist with The Daily Beast https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-virginia-conservative-republican-is-ridin-wit...
This Virginia Conservative Republican Is Ridin’ With Biden

First, to assuage my Democratic readers, I happen to be voting for the candidate who I sincerely believe would have the best chance of defeating Donald J. Trump. Second, for my Republican friends, what I am doing (albeit within the confines of the Democratic primary) is following the Buckley Rule: supporting the most conservative candidate who has a chance to win.

Republicans won’t replace Trump on the ballot, so nominating Biden is the best way for Democrats to defuse this looming disaster, which is why I’m voting for him in the primary and urging all my conservative brethren to do the same.


Bruce Bartlett worked on Capitol Hill for Republican Reps. Ron Paul of Texas, Jack Kemp of New York and others. He worked at the White House for President Ronald Reagan and at the Treasury Department for President George H.W. Bush.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/13/coronavirus-save-lives-beat-do...
"Ex-Republican on Trump coronavirus failures: 'Our lives depend on electing Joe Biden'"

So I'll say it again, defeating Trump is a matter of life and death. For good or ill, Biden is the only one who can do that. We must lash ourselves to his sail if we want to live. The cost of another Trump term is too horrible to contemplate.

I plan to support Joe Biden with all the resources I have.


Lifelong Republican citizens express their support for Joe Biden. "I am a lifelong Republican who served in the Nixon and Ford administrations, and I am one of the founders of a Bipartisan Committee to Elect Joe Biden."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/letters/biden-republicans.html

5Kuiperdolin
Apr 18, 2020, 11:55 pm

RINOs gonna RINO.

6Limelite
Apr 19, 2020, 8:26 pm

RINOs bigger smarter and meaner than MAGAraTs

7Carnophile
Apr 21, 2020, 12:08 pm

Other than their inability to prevent Trump from being elected.

8Limelite
Apr 21, 2020, 1:22 pm

Typical. Trying to make it Democrats' fault that Republicans were so stupid to be conned by Trump, Russian bots, and the Stoopids on right wing TV and radio.

You're the one who swallowed the Kool-Aid.

Looks like it was your inability to prevent Trump from being elected.

Obviously, it disturbs you that the reality based community and the rest of the world insist wrong is wrong and stupid is stupid.

9Carnophile
Apr 21, 2020, 6:46 pm

So your best line is, "My side was defeated by stupid people."

LOL.

10Limelite
Apr 21, 2020, 8:31 pm

Sure! Your side supports the president of the sturpid and lauds him as "your own"; my side resists your president, he's "not my president," and reviles his racism and anti-democratic behavior.

There's no known cure for those who are deliberately stupid; and like coronavirus, for which there's also no known cure or successful therapy, there comes a time in history where killer viruses and stupid must have their day.

Marriage made in their idea of heaven for Trump and Trumpits who can't help being Covidiots. While they believe they "own the libs," and practice freedumb, here's what happens to them in the end.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-supporter-explains-lockdown-protest-other...

https://www.ajc.com/news/kemp-eases-coronavirus-restrictions-businesses-ask-what...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/higher-death-rate-for-malaria-drug-touted-by-tr...

https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-pastor-dies-coronavirus-after-previously-sayin...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/man-dies-from-covid-19-after-dismissing-coronav...

Don'tcha kinda wonder what the preacher's and the right winger's last thoughts were?

Hazlitt had this to say about the deliberately stupid. “The world dread nothing so much as being convinced of their errors.” They'll even die for defending them.

11Carnophile
Apr 22, 2020, 11:31 am

So your best line is, "My side was defeated by stupid people."
“Sure!”


Heh. Whether intended as sarcastic or not, it’s true.

As to the death rate stuff, the worst death rates are in cities, which skew heavily left, like Detroit and New York.

12Limelite
Apr 22, 2020, 4:24 pm

Yep. Stupid had its day. A lot of old white guys who like to wear red ball caps and relive the good old days when "Amurkkka was great," i.e. subjugated by them using segregation, intimidation, and the Southern Strategy to keep control.

One non-white man in particular pissed them off because he was "uppity" enough to become president when president had always been a white man's job. Trump is the Republican revenge for that.

FYI, the worst death rate in GA is in a county with a total population of 90,000. Rural except for a town called Albany.

13Carnophile
Apr 22, 2020, 11:32 pm

Per Vox
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193848/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-tests-by-stat...

“New York has become the American epicenter of the pandemic... For now, the coronavirus appears more concentrated in urban centers, primarily New York City and its surrounding suburbs, as well as Seattle, Boston, and San Francisco.”

...those right-wing bastions of Trump support.

14proximity1
Edited: Apr 24, 2020, 5:48 am

>13 Carnophile:

But, wait! There's got to be something wrong with this picture.

Those are also bastions of "the best-and-the-brightest," the really, really smart people who've been at the fore-front of criticism of Bad Orange Man, many of the same people who earlier scoffed publicly while they pointed out that this deadly virus was going to wreak havoc disproportionately among the red-neck hicks who flock to Trump.

Stupid virus! It's attacking the wrong people!

15Carnophile
Edited: Apr 24, 2020, 10:06 pm

>14 proximity1:

Yeah, it's disgusting, the glee with which people like Limelight contemplate their fantasy of the virus disproportionately attacking those they disagree with politically. Given that, my sympathy when it goes the other way is limited.

What I really wish, like any sane person, is that the whole damn thing would just go away.

16Limelite
Edited: Apr 25, 2020, 7:20 pm

Two crazies at work.

>11 Carnophile: Worst death rates in cities you say.
I point out worst death rate in GA happens to be RURAL.
>13 Carnophile: Posts total non sequitur making subject change from urban/rural "worst death rates" now into new subject, "Look over here! Bright object! Cities not populated by Trump supporters. Like what's that got to do with anything? Right -- not a damn thing in a rational person's mind.
>14 proximity1: Idiot box opens up his pie hole 'cause he's even crazier and can't stop himself from displaying it in public. His efforts anthropomorphize a virus that attacks urban centers because. . .Gee, urban centers have MAJOR airports that are ports of entry for millions of people from all over the world. Could that have something to do with why people living close together will naturally be more highly exposed when a highly communicable virus is introduced?
>15 Carnophile: Crazy totally infects your post as now you're an advocate for an argument never made by anyone other than your crazy selves.

That rural county in GA suffering greater impact of virus in terms of per capita -- the only measure that makes sense of meaningless "totals" -- is suffering as a result of two incidences of normal human social behavior that occurred days prior to the outbreak there. You could actually get off the Stupid Stage and look up the facts. It may surprise you that the suffering in Albany, GA isn't happening to people there because I disagree with them politically.

But you won't. People like you and Pie Hole can't handle the truth and will fight against anyone and anything that points you away from the conspiracy theories, lies, and prejudices that you firmly believe in.

Sorry that your Fearless leader is Jim Jonesing the US. Drink the Kool-Aid. Shoot up the disinfectant. Swallow the hydroxychlorquine. Never put your nose in a mask. Go to the bowling alley and barber shop. March in anti-quarrantine protests. That's what your president wants!

So the only questions left to be answered by you are: Are you honorable? Do you
actually stand by your verbalized beliefs? Will you demonstrate the courage of your convictions and engage in all those behaviors Putin's Puppet advocates as a sign of your steadfast belief in his leadership and his wisdom? Oddly enough, it's always been your political side of the spectrum that has said, "It's better to be dead than Red."

17RickHarsch
Apr 25, 2020, 8:33 pm

As was the case in Vietnam, the poor and minorities died disproportionately. Sane people on the left, liberal, moderat, and right of the spectrum I have every confidence did not like that they died, all 58,002 of them.
By hideous coincidence(?), the Covid-19 virus is going to kill more people than died in the Vietnam war on the US side. These will again be disproportionately repesented by what still qualify as the downtrodden.

If these 'liberals' seem to anyone to take delight in this fact, it is probably because everyone knows that this catastrophe was easily preventable. Surely some were going to die, but had the leadership of the US taken advantage of their resources responsibly, it could have been contained far better than western European nations have done. So I suspect projection is behind this notion that people are celebrating this insane number of deaths. Outside the US, people I know are generally speechless. They don't want this result, but they have long known that Trump represents a shift of the oligarchy toward lunacy and their predominant feeling seems to be pity for the poor, deluded people of the country.
I have to add that as poorly as the Trump adminsitration has done, cowardice on the part of the media in allowing Trump to go weakly challenged, and on the part of simpering Democrats has not been very inspiring, either.

18lriley
Apr 26, 2020, 7:05 am

#17--I didn't think I was ever going to post in this one. First off I'm not sure why Democrats are so hell bent on siphoning off and pandering to this small sliver of disaffected republicans. Who are these fucking people really?--influential? does anyone seriously think that if Conway or Wilson ran for even dog catcher that they'd be a slamdunk to win? Who they are really is lifelong Washington insiders and everyone across the board living outside of DC hates lifelong Washington insiders. The dems should be working a bit harder to work out issues within their own base and for lack thereof are probably going to lose a lot more votes on the left than they're going to gain with this appeal to the Rick Wilson's and George Conway's of the world. But really they're afraid of their left--afraid of being shown for how hollow they are.

That said Nancy Pelosi has had some good moments over the past year but she hasn't risen to the occasion as far as this pandemic (far from it) and Joe Biden is hiding in his basement (only popping his head out a couple times a month for a half hour or so) when he should be introducing himself to his new neighbors at the ritziest assisted living home in the DC metropolitan area. People can see he's losing it---people can also see he doesn't have any ideas. I guess no ideas is better than the terrible (let's inject Lysol here) ideas than Trump continually comes up with but the American political scene (or at least the DC version) is a fucking joke and run by clowns and cartoon characters. Just look at McConnell, Graham, Schumer, Feinstein. They're all fucking awful.

19Carnophile
Apr 26, 2020, 4:16 pm

>16 Limelite:

11 Carnophile: Worst death rates in cities you say.
I point out worst death rate in GA happens to be RURAL.
13 Carnophile: Posts total non sequitur...


So mentioning death rates in urban places is a “non sequitur” on the subject of rural vs urban death rates. Good one.

You could actually get off the Stupid Stage

Once you’ve been caught saying something stupid, it’s too late to go on the offensive by calling the other person stupid. The only way to avoid the embarrassment is to avoid saying stupid things in the first place.

an argument never made by anyone other than your crazy selves.

It’s an argument - or perhaps more of an attitude - emitted by lefties occasionally.

E.g., in #10, your glee about (alleged) Trump supporters catching the virus is obvious, even though you didn’t say “I’m gleeful.” You called Trump supporters “Trumpits” and said, “here's what happens to them in the end,” posting links to people who’ve caught the virus.

You wrote that. Dissembling about it now is pointless.

Other examples: Rand Paul gets the virus, lefties light up Twitter calling it “karma” and “poetic justice,” and saying “Sen. Paul has the bug. My question is, how do we get him in a room with Trump for a day or two?”

20Limelite
Edited: Apr 26, 2020, 6:53 pm

Oh, look! Republican heads exploding!!! You trying to act offended for poor Paul Ryan's fee fees? Laughable. This from a person who has never called out the Orange Shitegibbon's daily egregiously offensive remarks about anyone not named "Trump," whenever he spits letters into the air. It's who you are, so tough it out, snowflake.

You're so off course that you have nothing to argue for. That's the problem for Trump supporters. Sorry chum, you've clutched the World's Confirmed Stupidest Human too long to your breast in affectionate embrace to try to separate yourself from him now.

No Mulligans in politics.

Any Trumpit who didn't throw over the cult traces with loud wailings, gnashing of teeth, and
shouts of, "Bat-shit CRAZY!" when Trump advocated swallowing unproven drugs meant for people suffering from protozoa infection and then topped his lethal medical advice off with a toast to anyone who would follow it and imbibe a bleach chaser, is a long lost soul. As the Internet says, "Who cares what you think?"

Let me put the meaning of what Trump said in simple words, courtesy of Nancy Pelosi, "That's called embalming."

Anyone still a Trump fan after his starkest mad scene is off the radar, crashed, and burned.

Don't even blame the rational set for laughing out loud at the subs who do what their president tells them to do. We understand and abhor cult leaders and their cultists' devotion to them. But there's a limit to reasonable peoples' ability to feel sorry for the auto-inflictions of the self-afflicted.

Still, stupid has to have its day, doesn't it?

My question is what will it take for Trump supporters to recognize stupid before it literally kills them?

21Carnophile
Apr 28, 2020, 11:16 am

>20 Limelite: You trying to act offended for poor Paul Ryan's fee fees?

LOL, that’s quite the U-turn, from claiming it’s “an argument never made by anyone” to being forced to admit that people are making that argument.

By the way, the strategy of trying to bury your mistakes in long subject-changing posts is not effective.

22Limelite
Apr 28, 2020, 5:40 pm

It ain't just Biden attracting Repubs!

Lindsey Graham (R) SC has lost a HUGE donor that had always been reliably in his camp. But now that Lindsey can't unfix his lips from occupant's backside, on of his biggest supporters has unfixed his money from Lindsey's candidacy.
Richard Wilkerson, the former chairman and president of Michelin’s North American operations headquartered in Greenville, is publicly switching sides to endorse Harrison for the U.S. Senate after being a reliable Graham donor for years.
(SNIP)
In all, he has given Graham over $20,000 throughout the years in a combination of a contributions to various accounts affiliated with the lawmaker — to boost his reelection campaign, his presidential bid and his political action committee.
(SNIP)
“This campaign is not about Democrat versus Republican, it is about right versus wrong,” Guy King, Harrison’s spokesman, said in a statement to The State. We want everyone across the Palmetto State to join our movement to restore hope to millions of South Carolinians statewide.”
Well, well, well.

Michelin is one of the largest employers in SC, employing around 10,000.

Wilkerson is what current parlance would call an "influencer." Lindsey Graham is what has long been called an "entrenched politician of the Swamp." Off to make some popcorn for this contest.

PoP! bOOm! go Republican heads.

P.S. >21 Carnophile:

You brought Ryan up. You changed the subject, I responded. Accusing me of doing what you did is pointless. Friendly reminder: Lysol and bleach are for external use only.

23Limelite
Apr 28, 2020, 9:14 pm

Hard to keep up, but here's another Republican investor who is voting for Biden.
Conservative Republican investor explains why Trump is going down in November.
“I am a conservative Republican, and I see Biden as the only path to get our party back,” he wrote. . . “I and thousands of other Republicans and Independents will be pulling for Biden in every way. If there is an equivalent amount of Republicans against Joe Biden, and an equivalent amount Democrats for him the thousands of us who know Trump for the buffoon and poser he is will tilt the balance in Biden’s favor.”

He went on to explain that Trump is no more a Republican than Russian President Vladimir Putin is.
Ya think?

24cpg
Apr 28, 2020, 10:20 pm

>23 Limelite:

I’m having trouble finding any political contributions by Conservative Republican Investor Mel Kimsey recorded on OpenSecrets.org. Anybody else had better luck with their searches than I have?

25Limelite
Apr 29, 2020, 5:43 pm

>24 cpg:

PAC?

His statement is a political endorsement announcement. You are unlikely to see any record of monetary contributions to Biden because he's been a lifelong Republican until making this announcement. Look for his contributions to Republicans in the past. It's unlikely that a self-proclaimed conservative Republican would have donated to a Democratic candidate in the past. Certainly not Biden whose record is supportive of abortion and gun control!

26Carnophile
Apr 30, 2020, 5:34 pm

>22 Limelite: You brought Ryan up. You changed the subject, I responded.

I brought Ryan up, thus disproving your assertion that no lefties are wishing corona upon righties. I proved you wrong, then you tried to change the subject to something Trump said. As if no one would notice.

If you would just think before you post, you could avoid these humiliations.

27Limelite
May 1, 2020, 1:19 pm

>26 Carnophile: You poor individual, finding an exception and contorting yourself with the unsuccessful effort to make a "case" out of it. Nothing like taking a molehill and attempting to create an illusion of a mountain. You forget that no contortion is necessary by progressives to point out the cases of right wing nuts wishing people to die en masse.

Your choice was between scrambling to find that exception in order to not have to behave like an impartial person with a degree of human empathy in response to a pandemic. You made no effort to call out TX Repub Lt. Gov.'s remarks on Faux News. Therefore, you're OK with anyone wishing death from Covid-19 as long as they are Republican.
“No one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’” But if they had? “If that is the exchange, I’m all in,” Patrick said. He continued: “That doesn’t make me noble or brave or anything like that. . .Vanity Fair
He got that last right!

He was only responding in a way natural to him because his level of moral concern coincides with the president's who had tweeted a day or so before Lt. Gov. Patrick's TV interview with this. . .
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
Yep. Emphatically. All CAPS. Yet you remain silent. I conclude that's OK by you. But don't pretend that "the cure" means something other than physical distancing and isolation, because it doesn't.

Then there's Indiana Congressman, Trey Hollingsworth, who has decided that choosing the "lesser of two evils" is choosing between human death from Covid-19 and human suffering due to closed stores. Another Trumpist. I don't suppose any of his care-free choice comes from his feeling special and above the suffering of hoi polloi, protected by his $50 million plus personal fortune. Couldn't be that. In his eyes, human death is of the lesser evil than quarantine. In your eyes, his "great capitalist" $$$ signs dazzle you, perhaps overcoming compassion for non "great capitalists"?
A GOP Indiana lawmaker said it’s time for officials to “put on our big boy and big girl pants” and reopen the coronavirus-ravaged US economy — even if it means more Americans will die.


A Republican US Senator from LA
Sen. Kennedy says economic activity must resume even though that means coronavirus will 'spread faster' -- William Cummings, USA TODAY
Crickets from you. Signaling you're in favor of the policy favored by manyright wingers -- herd immunity -- I suppose.

The most deplorable product of the Party of Death and death-wishing-on-others right wing nuts is Alex Jones. I'm not going to post his crap here except to say that he's proud to now advocate cannibalism if the "Globalist lockdown conspiracy" continues. How does his rant to a national radio audience of believers compare to the dastardly use of words like "karma" about Paul Ryan in your personal philosophy?

So called "reasonable" Republicans have wheeled to conspiracy theories and equating a lockdown with a fate worse than death. They may not directly "wish" death on individuals, but they sneer at quarantine efforts. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/15/the-absurd-case-against-the-co... Another fond refuge of the stupid Republicans spreading calumny about "sissy science."

And yes, it is karma when the advocacy of lies and unsupported opinions results in the advocate's death from what he or she dismissed as a "hoax," a "Democratic conspiracy," a "Wuhan lab conspiracy," a "lesser evil," or a "cure worse than the disease." Etc., ad nauseum.

You brought up Twitter responses to Ryan. I'll bring up just a handful of all the official and broadcast opinions of typical Trumpists. Tell me, which is the lesser of two evils? As long as Trumpists keep pandering to Trump, I will say to them, "You deserve what you get from those you vote for."

28Limelite
May 1, 2020, 1:34 pm

Trump's head explodes because, not only are lifelong Republicans of the donor and influencer classes turning to Biden, worse -- the lifelong low-information and/or undereducated voters Trump expressed his love for in 2016, are turning their backs on the Orange Shitegibbon.

Does this mean his religious base has actually found its religion?
Brutal poll shows ‘the erosion in Trump’s hard-core base is very real’
(SNIP)
. . .it shows, b>drops in support among both white evangelicals and white voters without college degrees.
See not-good-for-Trump reality polls by a religious polling company here. https://www.prri.org/research/president-trumps-favorability-ratings-recede-from-...

While Trump's support from Republicans has gone up, that's because hordes of Republicans no longer support him and have de-registered of no longer think of themselves as Republican, or if they retain party loyalty, they have abandoned loyalty to the Party's leader. Only the Truly Delusional are left to wear red hats and tote AR-15s to political demonstrations and rallies.

Looks like SARS-CoV-2 has yet another surprise symptom.

29Carnophile
May 3, 2020, 11:43 am

>27 Limelite: an exception

It’s not “an” exception, since there are many examples in that link alone.

Also, you didn’t say a few lefties are wishing death on righties. You said that’s “an argument never made by anyone other than your crazy selves.”

So your statement was false.

Crickets from you. Signaling you're in favor of the policy favored by manyright wingers

Don’t attribute beliefs to me.

Aside from the sheer stupidity and obnoxiousness of that:
I haven’t called out Democrat-favored policies either, so by your logic I must support those.

We are now at the scene in the movie where the guy’s gun is out of ammo so he desperately throws it at his opponent.

30proximity1
May 3, 2020, 12:48 pm



"We are now at the scene in the movie where the guy’s gun is out of ammo so he desperately throws it at his opponent."

LOL!

The idiot-evil-loser guy. I love that movie!

31Carnophile
May 4, 2020, 1:22 pm

:)

32Limelite
May 5, 2020, 3:43 pm

I maintain that the evidence proves you wrong. Hence you made no citations of different examples. While I can go on and on citing examples to prove my point and you know it.

You'd like to pretend that death-wish RepublicanTrumpists either don't exist, or they are vastly outnumbered by Democrats/Liberals. Reality shows us that that is simply the opposite of what is factual and true. Similarly, you'd like to pretend that the "real Donald Trump" doesn't exist. Again, reality shows us that the man is as vile as "liberals" believe him to be.

You will have to live with the fact that you are on the wrong side of history. Unfortunately, only reasonable Republicans are capable of honest self-examination and the resultant realization that Trump is what he is. Cultists can't. Totally understandable because that inability is one of the markers that identifies a cultist. These reasonable Republicans find themselves having to deny their allegiance to corrupt and shameful Party -- and they have. In droves. Their reasons for doing so are usually well articulated in their public expressions made about their actions.

The following may be too painful for you to read because they argue that Trump is indefensible as a human being and as a president. The author, Mac Stipanovich, has been a long-time Republican strategist; he discusses how he stopped ignoring the ugly truth of what Republicans have been for 70 years and faced the truth about himself, the Party, and today's Trump cultist supporters.

Long-time Republican strategist Mac Stipanovich explains why he has registered as a Democrat ahead of Florida’s presidential primary.
It was Trump’s genius to sense how pervasive is the moral rot within the GOP, something to which the establishment, including me, was for the most part oblivious. There has always been a seamy underbelly in the party, a sump where the paranoiacs, conspiracy theorists, radicals and racists pooled, whether it was the John Birchers in the 1950s who believed President Dwight Eisenhower was a communist or the right wing populists today who believe the late Sen. John McCain was a traitor.
and

Why this former Republican voted for Joe Biden: The former vice president is a thoroughly decent man who would appeal to Republicans and independents as well as Democrats.
Biden is not perfect. At 77 years old, he has a senior moment now and again. His verbal gaffes are legend. And there are votes in Congress he regrets and policies he supported that he now rejects. But these are the inevitable artifacts of a large life on which anyone would be proud to hang their hat. They are in no way disqualifying.

Widely experienced. Thoroughly decent. Ideologically moderate. If Joe Biden is not a man for all seasons, he is certainly the man of this hour.


There is a distinct difference in the expression of one's values made by a conservative thinker and a Trump cultist. Trump cultists have either long abandoned reason, or never were reasonable. Righteous Republicans cannot sustain that mindless Kool-Aid intoxication, that's why they're voting Biden in 2020. So, being incapable of reasoning, cultists' heads are exploding. Truth -- which they've told us, "has a liberal bias" -- hurts and they can't stand the pain.

33Limelite
May 5, 2020, 3:55 pm

At 19, this former Trump activist has a short "life-long" Republican history. This suggests, like with Covid-19, severe cases of Trump Cult Infection strike the older harder than the younger. Must be due to the older right wingers' "comorbidities," misogyny, bigotry, and jingoism.

Trump’s coronavirus response causes him to lose one of his biggest young supporters.
Goldberg says her evolution away from Trump began with his “both sides” comments in regards to the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville back in 2017. Goldberg says she wasn’t able to comprehend how Trump “could morally, as a president of the greatest free nation in the world, allow himself to take actions such as separating illegal children from their parents, completely go against the advice of his politically experienced advisors on issues such as dealing with the Kurds, and make a joke out of America in the eyes of the world every single day with his obscenely inappropriate tweets.”
One hopes, unlike recovering Covid-19 patients report, Goldberg doesn't suffer from persisting painful symptoms of Trump Cultist Infection.

34Carnophile
May 7, 2020, 12:05 pm

>32 Limelite: you made no citations of different examples.

The link I provided in #19 contains several examples of lefties gloating over Paul catching corona. If you’d like me to cite them specifically, one by one, then I will, thus rubbing your nose in it.

And yes, it is karma when the advocacy of lies and unsupported opinions results in the advocate's death... As long as Trumpists keep pandering to Trump, I will say to them, "You deserve what you get from those you vote for."

Another example.

While I can go on and on citing examples to prove my point and you know it.

In 27, none of the quotes you provided had righties wishing deaths upon lefties. E.g., you quoted Texas politician Patrick, who said nothing remotely resembling that he hopes leftists disproportionately die. Neither did the President’s statement that you quoted. Etc.

In summary:

Limelight: (Click. Click.) Gah! (Throws gun.)

35Matke
May 7, 2020, 12:34 pm

Mother of God.

The ugliness, the mean-spirited bashing of others, the endless, endless, dreary, sick-making posts of people screaming past each other into the void:

Who would want to follow this depressing, inane attempt to shout one another down?

Don’t you all have anything at all constructive to do with your time?

36Limelite
May 7, 2020, 2:19 pm

>34 Carnophile:

Still making up fantasy scenarios because you have no evidence to support your opposition to my heavily supported position.

The take-away from the Trumpist right, which is now the Republican Party, is that wishing liberals to die from Covid-19, just isn't enough for them. They've gone beyond deplorable to murderous, they've gone beyond "wishing" to real threatening, beyond coronavirus-science hate to violent actions that grow out of their hatred over any issue or fact that rational people disagree with them about-- abortion, impeachment, gun control, simply someone being a registered Democrat.

Right wing terrorists don't just "wish" people to die from Covid-19. They insist on their nut job adherents attempting to KILL liberals with Covid-19!
Security highlighted in a leaked memo that white supremacists and neo-Nazis are advocating the “obligation” of infected members to spread the virus to law enforcement and minority communities. Civil society groups, like the Anti-Defamation League, that are tracking right-wing extremism have identified memes on right-wing forums like “What to Do if You Get Corona 19,” that say, “visit your local mosque, visit your local synagogue, spend the day on public transport, spend time in your local diverse neighborhood.”
Saying that liberals are just as bad or worse because you cite one incident about Ryan is shameful in the face of what right wing extremists are DOING. And not just over such things as the current real pandemic, either.

The right wing and Trumpist Republicans have in recent history advocated and employed assassination against abortion providers and innocents; pipe bomb mailings and threats against politicians opposed to Trump, heightened violence and killing of Jews, Muslims, immigrants, and blacks since 2016. Terrorism by the far right includes Neo-Nazi assassination by car against peaceful, unarmed advocates demonstrating against white supremacy hate groups. And on and on. In fact:
In the United States, right-wing extremism has accounted for 70 percent of extremist-related killings in the past 10 years; in 2018, right-wing extremists killed more people than in 1995, which was the year of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Not liberals.

BTW, it's the Trump supporting white supremacists, gun nuts, militias, and survivalists who are carrying their weapons of war to "peaceful" terrorist rallies in state capitols to oppose lock downs that prevent coronavirus spreading; the same right wingers who used their military style weapons to intimidate and threaten lawmakers with death for attempting gun control legislation.

Back to Trumpists and the neo-Republican party wing nuts. . .
On March 24, FBI agents killed known right-wing extremist Timothy Wilson in a shootout during a sting operation. FBI agents honed in on at this time because Wilson was planning to use a car bomb to blow up a hospital treating a number of COVID-19 patients. It was also recently reported that the leading member of the U.S. coronavirus task force, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has needed extra security because of a number of credible threats against his safety. On neo-Nazi Telegram channels, extremists have urged followers to target essential businesses that serve minority communities, like grocery stores, with homemade chemical weapons.
That kind of typical and long standing historical American right wing behavior now is routinely encouraged by the bloated slug in the White House. . .
The most recent attempted attack was by John Michael Rathbun, who was charged with attempting to target a Jewish assisted living facility in Longmeadow, Massachusetts, with an explosive device, after it was alleged that he posted on multiple online white supremacist forums that it was “Jew killing day.”
Ture, a black man in St. Pete, FL spit in police officers' faces and screamed "I have Covid-19," and racial epithets at them. But he has no extremist ties to either right or left wing politics, and his behavior is not beyond the norm of resisting arrest behavior seen daily by LE. Likewise an Hispanic male in TX was arrested
for writing a Facebook post that claimed he paid someone to spread the coronavirus at grocery stores to deter people from visiting them. (He purportedly sought to scare people from going out in public, to prevent the virus’ broader dissemination through community transmission.)
A case of a crazy person's mistaken means justifying the end.

But in neither case were these individuals weaponized, neither belonged to a political group weaponizing Covid-19. You can lump them in with "terrorists" but they are exceptions to the rule of Trumpist weaponized actual terrorists who carry out their death threats and killings because of political convictions that advocate violence against political liberals and minority groups Trump targets with his hateful remarks that are intended to incentivize violence against his opponents and the laws of the land.

The FL and TX men's individual behavior is excluded from both the FBI's and the US Code of Federal Regulations. But the other examples of threats and actions cited in this post are included. That is the difference between the "wishing" you equate with the beyond wishing that is practiced by and accepted by Trumpist supporters.

Plan on continuing to attempt more of your "what-aboutism" "false equivalency," and "broad brush" fallacies? Or, going to continue firing meaningless blanks?

_______________________________________________

Here's How Trump's Rhetoric Inspires Death Threats in South Florida And associated topics are linked here.

Trump Fan Who Made Racist Death Threats to Obama and Maxine Waters Receives 46-Month Sentence
Stephen J. Taubert said he threatened to kill the former president and the congresswoman because he was upset about “people knocking” President Trump.
The same warped ideological adherence to Trump that results in the Covid-19 armed intimidation and threats against liberals.

37mikevail
May 7, 2020, 7:23 pm

I seem to recall someone started a thread a while back celebrating the possible imminent demise of Justice Ginsberg. No doubt all in good fun.

38proximity1
Edited: May 8, 2020, 10:11 am



"In Summary
Limelight: (Click. Click.) Gah! (Throws gun.)"

LOL!

Now, yes, I use "a lot of" "LOL!"s, but, here, in this case, I literally and spontaneously burst out laughing right out loud!

I'm cryin' here with laughter--and I mean that.

In summary : "LMFAO!!"

39LolaWalser
May 8, 2020, 11:05 am

>37 mikevail:

That's when I blocked that particular SOB.

40Limelite
May 10, 2020, 12:34 am

No wonder Trumpists are striking out with violence against liberals. Cornered dogs bite from fear, as do all mammals when fearing what will be done to them or become of them in a future they will have no hand in directing. Especially when those who were once of their company but who never accepted their cult leader have "changed sides" and intend to work against his re-election.

‘Republicans for Biden’ movement organizing to take down Donald Trump: ‘It’s going to take off’
Joe Biden made a spontaneous, vague statement about how he’s been “speaking to a lot of Republicans,” including “former colleagues, who are calling and saying Joe, if you win, we’re gonna help.”

Then he showed his hand: “Matter of fact, there’s some major Republicans who are already forming ‘Republicans for Biden,’” the former vice president said. “Major officeholders.”

(snip)

“It is literally just forming,” one former top Republican Party official involved with the preliminary discussions told The Daily Beast. “I’ve had several conversations with people who have approached me. It’s going to take off, it’s going to happen. The question is to what degree and form it does,” the source, who was granted anonymity to speak candidly about private discussions, said.
It is no mystery why Trump supporting Republicans' heads are exploding. It must seem to them that the whole country is turning against them and the un-American beliefs they hold.

41Carnophile
May 10, 2020, 12:28 pm

>37 mikevail: I seem to recall someone started a thread a while back celebrating the possible imminent demise of Justice Ginsberg. No doubt all in good fun.

I never denied it. Unlike >16 Limelite: , saying it was “an argument never made by anyone other than your crazy selves.”

>38 proximity1:. Thanks, although I can’t take too much credit: It’s easy when one is handed that kind of material to work with. ;)

42Carnophile
May 10, 2020, 12:44 pm

>36 Limelite: Still making up fantasy scenarios because you have no evidence...

You’re saying I made up the Rand Paul comments?

your opposition to my heavily supported position.

Opposition to what “heavily supported” position? You hadn’t provided any evidence of righties wishing deaths upon lefties before post 36. And I never denied that anyway.

The rest of post 36 is an attempt to change the subject from corona-related matters to other subjects where you think you’re on firmer ground. I hate to engage here, thus falling for the change-of-subject trap, but a couple of points:

1) Your first link in 36 just re-directs to the top of this thread. Nevertheless, I did your work for you and tracked it down on the Net. For its claim about right-wing killings it cites the ADL, the organization that classified saying “Merry Christmas” as “white supremacist propaganda.”

2) Your source also alleges threats against Anthony Fauci, then gives a link with no examples of a threat. Zero. The chain of links leads back to another page quoting a guy on Twitter calling Fauci “disrespectful,” etc.

I am too impatient with this sort of nonsense to trace back the rest of your claims, but I assume they’re of equal credibility, LOL.

And in any case, that would just be falling for your change-the-subject trap. To get back to the subject, here’s where we are: Lefties and righties are wishing corona deaths upon each other. But I never denied that anyone was doing it. You did, saying it’s “an argument never made by anyone other than your crazy selves.”

43mikevail
May 10, 2020, 8:05 pm

>41 Carnophile:
"I never denied it".
Laudable. Pat yourself on the back.

44Limelite
May 11, 2020, 12:31 am

>42 Carnophile:

You'll talk about any nit-pick you can concoct. You'll talk about other posters. You'll talk about your own exemplary behavior (as compared to other Trumpist's deplorable behavior). You see no need to talk about the topic, when all that pressing nonentity is being neglected by all but you.

You just can't find the guts to talk about the difference between right wing violent death "wishing" and the everyday comments of non-right-wingers and liberals that are nothing more than First Amendment protected hyperbolic speech. And nothing more.

All this when conservative cultists are sending bombs, shooting at, and running down peaceful protestors, making death threats way beyond "wishing they'd drink their Clorox and see what that gets 'em" statements and "Isn't it time for your Lysol mainline treatment?" comments on Republican Party supporters' infinite stupidity.

You want to pretend that every cherry you choose to pick (none of which is really important) in my posts should be the topic. As if this inconsequential cherry or that minor bit of fruit made the actual content of the post fake, false, or bogus. Why? Because cherry-picking like that is so much easier than constructing your own argument supporting your opposition.

Too bad. You have no debate skills. You only have the skill to behave like that reviled Internet creature, the picayune Grammar Nazi. Incidental detail that you wish to exaggerate into some kind of argumentative device that explodes all reason, all fact, and all pertinence in an effort to douse the main point, the valid conclusion, and the credible examples, making them disappear in a cloud of shiny, noisy, valueless distraction is all you have to offer. Just smoke and mirrors.

Who cares what you think you think? You daren't tell us. You dare not admit that you embrace what you pretend to ignore. The subject, the topic, is the deplorable level of violence that conservatives carry their bat-shit crazy ideological positions to. It's always the best of all possible worlds to Trumpists when people they wish would die are assisted to their deaths by their guns, their bombs, and their weaponized vehicles.

70% of domestic terroristic violence is produced by people whose political convictions you share. A liberal is really no more than one who does not share your convictions. A liberal leaves those convictions to those who cower in fear of the unknown and cling to the solidity of what is most supported by little more than the weight of years gone by. In fact, liberals abhor fossilized positions that are anachronistic at best and brutal at worst because they are rooted in fear of change and of ("the other") mankind. Which leads to hatred for mankind. Which produces the fallacy of the innate "cultural" superiority of white-skinned "people like us" when it's really only skin deep whiteness that the extremist rightists want to enforce the superiority of.

Just look at who these people are. Look at their need to intimidate. Look at their need to define superiority by promoting persecution and denigration. Look at their affect at Trump rallies and anti-Liberal demonstrations. Look at how they measure themselves by their lies, their deceit, their finger-pointing, their blame-shifting, and their live-by-denial-or-die misconception that that is where American greatness comes from and must be returned to. "He who lies most, lies best." Therefore, he is greatest because by that means he "owns" a liberal.

Child, please.

What makes America beautiful is the foundational belief currently held by 66% of all kinds of Americans that this country we call America is fundamentally the product of 18th C. progressive Enlightenment-style secular liberalism. Life-long Republicans who still value reason, bestowed on them as a right by those who lived during the Age of Reason, have left the Party of Trump and are fighting at the side of the Resistance, of progressive secular liberalism, and. . .Joe Biden in 2020. Those who have not fled the cult but still cling to their fear and hatred have committed themselves to the La Brea Tar Pit of history. It will swallow them whole, down into oblivion where they belong. With the other fossils.

45Limelite
May 11, 2020, 2:34 pm

Poor Carnophile: Republican heads explode over Democratic governor of Michigan's sensible public health policies during pandemic. When armed demonstrations at the capitol just aren't enough when it comes to death wishing by right wingers.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/right-wingers-fantasize-about-assassinating-mic....
Members of private Facebook groups are calling for the assassination of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer over her stay-at-home orders to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

Four private social media groups with a combined 400,000 members were deluged with posts and comments encouraging violence. . .

“Can we please just take up a collection for an assassin to put that woman from Michigan down,” wrote Facebook user Matthew Woodruff, a member of the group “People of Michigan vs. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.”

“We need a good old fashioned lynch mob to storm the Capitol, drag her tyrannical ass out onto the street and string her up as our forefathers would have,” wrote group member John Campbell Sr.

“Either President Trump sends in the troops or there is going to be a midnight lynching in Lansing soon,” posted group member Michael Smith.

“Plain and simple she needs to eat lead and send a statement to the rest of the democrats (sic) that they are next,” wrote James Greena, of Fennville.
". . .the rest of the Democrats. . ." like Joe Biden, maybe? 400,000 social media reactionary Second Amendment crazies to 0 liberal f*ck gun suckers!

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/right-wingers-fantasize-about-assassinating-mic...

46Limelite
May 11, 2020, 3:06 pm

Another cowardly gun nut too afraid to wear a mask so that others may live gets his comeuppance and who walks around like his rights don't end where his nose does.
Law firm fires Texas gun nut for posting insane rant about shooting people who ask him to wear face mask

This from a guy who attended Abilene Christian University and is doubtless one of Trump's die-hard supporters from the racist Evangelical base.

https://i2.wp.com/www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Bain.png?w=1...

The firm's welcomed public statement

https://www.facebook.com/pg/ThompsonKnightLLP/posts/?ref=page_internal

47John5918
Edited: May 12, 2020, 3:24 am

>45 Limelite: the rest of the democrats (sic)

Written with a small "d" deliberately or in error? Are they admitting that they are against democracy ("democrats" with a small "d")?

48Limelite
May 12, 2020, 1:55 am

>47 John5918:

I prints 'em as I sees 'em. I make no attempt to guess the writer's motive. sic is sic and I let it stand.

49Limelite
May 13, 2020, 12:48 pm

Lifelong GOP voters shred Trump’s ‘inept’ COVID-19 response — and say he sees older people as ‘dispensable’
Mississippi Republican Ken Holmes, meanwhile, tells CSM that he broke off from Trump after the president described criticism of his handling of the disease as a “hoax.”

The pandemic has just confirmed how incompetent he is and how uncaring he is for others,” fumed Holmes, who said he now plans to vote for former Vice President Joe Biden.


For some seniors, virus is shifting their views of Trump
Even a small shift among this bloc of voters could pose a serious threat to the president’s reelection.

Tommye and Rody Johnson have been registered Republicans for almost seven decades. . .Now, after nearly four years of President Trump’s tweets, the impeachment scandal, and especially, what they see as his disastrous handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, they can’t imagine voting for him again.

They plan to vote for former Vice President Joe Biden in November -- the first time either has backed a Democrat.

(SNIP)

Mr. Trump’s approval rating among voters over the age of 65 dropped 20 points between March and the end of April, making seniors more critical of the president’s performance than any other age group aside from 18- to 29-year-olds. Much of that decline seems directly related to the virus, which so far has posed a far more serious health threat to older people.

(SNIP)

“The people my age, we have become dispensable,” says Wendy Penk, a lifelong Republican in her 60s from Charlotte, North Carolina.

Ms. Penk, like the Johnsons, voted for Mr. Trump last time around, but is now part of a “Republicans for Biden” Facebook group. She worries about her husband’s health, and says Mr. Trump’s handling of the pandemic cemented her decision to vote a “straight blue” ticket in November.

“I’ve never seen this level of mishandling my entire life, and I was around during Richard Nixon and Watergate,” says Ms. Penk. “This coronavirus situation has just highlighted how inept President Trump is.”

50Carnophile
May 14, 2020, 3:44 pm

>44 Limelite: You'll talk about any nit-pick you can concoct.

You mean refuting your sources.

You see no need to talk about the topic

You changed the topic. BTW, there’s nothing wrong with thread drift or even changing the subject... but it’s sad to change the subject in the hope that no one would notice you got schooled.

the difference between right wing violent death "wishing" and the everyday comments of non-right-wingers and liberals that are nothing more than First Amendment protected hyperbolic speech. And nothing more.

“When my side does it, it doesn’t count!”

70% of domestic terroristic violence is produced by people whose political convictions you share.

...according to an organization that literally classified “Merry Christmas” as “white supremacist propaganda.”

conservative cultists are sending bombs, shooting at, and running down peaceful protestors, making death threats

Leftists also threaten and carry out violence, much as that might surprise you. Seems to me the left does it more. For example, the Washington Post - that bastion of right-wing thought! - fretted,

Democrats fear that violent anti-Trump protesters are only helping him.
Democrats and Hispanic activists said Friday that they are increasingly alarmed by a spate of violence at Donald Trump rallies instigated by anti-Trump protesters, fearing that the incidents — widely viewed on television and social media — will only help the GOP candidate and undermine their attempts to defeat him.
The New York Times was forced to concede, on the same topic,

“The authors found no corresponding link between assaults and rallies for Mr. Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.”

51Carnophile
May 14, 2020, 4:34 pm

When armed demonstrations at the capitol just aren't enough...

Bringing a gun into the Legislative Building is legal in Michigan, so apparently the lawmakers don’t mind it too much, at least up to now.

...when it comes to death wishing by right wingers.

Actual assassination attempts on Whitmer: Zero.

400,000 social media reactionary Second Amendment crazies to 0 liberal f*ck gun suckers!

400,000 was the number who were sent the messages, not the number who co-authored them. Did you even read the passage you quoted?

52Carnophile
May 14, 2020, 4:56 pm

>36 Limelite: You quote, from the link you provided failed to provide,

Civil society groups, like the Anti-Defamation League, that are tracking right-wing extremism have identified memes on right-wing forums like “What to Do if You Get Corona 19,” that say, “visit your local mosque, visit your local synagogue, spend the day on public transport, spend time in your local diverse neighborhood.”

Chasing the chain of links back from that link, the ADL's last sentence in that piece is

“It should be noted that none of this online chatter has resulted in any actual activity, and the likelihood of anyone being intentionally infected by a white supremacist is extremely low.”

53Limelite
May 28, 2020, 9:21 pm

In case you're a Republican who voted for Trump in '16, but has since suffered buyer's remorse and come to your senses, there's a brand new organization for you. Republican Voters Against Trump, rvat.org.

You can submit a short video telling your come to Jesus story and they'll post it on their website!

There's about 100 such video confessions up there already.

54Limelite
May 29, 2020, 3:05 pm

After today's King of the Twits' tweet invoking the Miami cop whose looting/shooting remarks sparked the race riots of the 80s in that city, no one who continues to make excuses for, draws the veil over, burys their head in the sand in order to avoid answering for their complicity supporting Trump and Republicans deserves mercy or forgiveness.

They are spineless, amoral cultist sheep and I am happy that their president and political party will be going to the "slaughter" come Election Day 2020. It's past time the Only Whites Matter bigots crawl back under the rocks from whence they came.

The time allowed for redemption has expired.

55Limelite
Jun 2, 2020, 9:07 pm

Bush administration alums form pro-Biden super PAC.
The super PAC, dubbed 43 Alumni For Biden, referring to the 43rd president, was formed Monday, according to a Tuesday filing with the Federal Election Commission.
Republican Diaspora? Please proceed.

56Limelite
Jun 5, 2020, 3:23 pm

Last Living Conservative "Enabler of Reactionary Politics, George Will, Supports Biden over Trump and Every Single Democrat on the Ballot Against Any Republican Candidate, Too.

Did I just hear the death sentence pronounced on the GOP by its leading "intellectual"? ("Intellectual " because he uses big words most right wing "morans" ((their spelling, not mine)) don't know the meaning of. Therefore, he must be the smartest guy in the room, not named Donald Trump.)
Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.

In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible* deliberative body. -- George Will, WaPo, June 1, 2020

*"risible" (def.) -- laughable, not in a good way (from the Fr. v., rire, to laugh) My own definition, not looked up. Check it, if you doubt me.

57Limelite
Jun 7, 2020, 4:18 pm

Oh
My
God!


We are witnessing the extinction of Trump's GOP (Geriatric Occidental Putzes). Big Name Republicans are emigrating from "Greater America." The damn has broke. The jetsam is being washed away.
At the top of the list is former President George W. Bush, who still has his supporters within the Republican Party.

“Former President George W. Bush won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Mr. Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November,” Martin reports. “And Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.”

Writing, “Former Republican leaders like the former Speakers Paul D. Ryan and John A. Boehner won’t say how they will vote, and some Republicans who are already disinclined to support Mr. Trump are weighing whether to go beyond backing a third-party contender to openly endorse Mr. Biden,”


Add ret. Gen. Colin Powell, GWB's water carrier of the yellow cake lie. He who stomached so much and served so little in the previous Republican era not only does not support Trump but has announced he will vote for Biden.

More rats diving into the water now that the choice is sink or swim. GOP lawmakers plotting escape from Trump over possibility he’ll lose election in a ‘landslide’: conservative
According to Lewis, who abandoned the Republican Party specifically because it became the party of Trump, the president is stumbling into the November election and running scared.

“Donald Trump is scared,” he began. “He has beaten, dominated, and bludgeoned the Republican Party into positions that would make a drunken riot cop blush with shame. But now that Trump may lose in a landslide, his captives and quislings are plotting their escape.”


58lriley
Jun 7, 2020, 6:15 pm

#57--all those people are the neo-lib/neo-con wing of the republican party though--not the hard core right wingers or right wing christians and evangelicals that rejected the Rubio's and Jeb Bush in 2016. They are people who for the most part have lost their home. More than less Trump's real base is still very much intact. And really if George W. Bush ran for a congressional district in Texas today he would probably not win---and John Kasich would not be winning his old congressional district in Ohio either or Joe Scarborough in Florida for that matter. They are all conservatives but not conservative enough.

That said it may make some difference to independents and more moderate republicans but really if you win over independents by a decent margin you're going to win and I expect Biden will do that especially if he doesn't go out in public too much. Trump is beating himself and is too stupid to realize it.

59Limelite
Jun 8, 2020, 12:38 pm

>58 lriley:

The main take-away is that "traditional" GOPers are opening their mouths to publicly denounce Fearless Leader. You're absolutely right, Trump cultists won't deny him and go to the light side. But that doesn't matter.

The pre-Trump GOPers not prone to fanaticism are the ones with the money. Largely, Trump's major industrialist political donors have fled his side, taking their golden geese with them. Some due to scandal and legal troubles, others due to seeing the light. Silicon Valley where lots of the 2016 money for Trump came from, again with the exception of Mr. Two-Facedbook, are (quietly rather than publicly) turning their backs on the red hats. Now, after 4 former Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff are signaling the military that the enemy is within, the shine on the racist in the White House is dulling.

Let the 30% of the 30% who remain registered Republican voters lie. Courting their votes is both unnecessary and a waste of resources. As you point out, Indies and moderate Repubs have swung to the blue end of the spectrum.

Trumpian Republicanism is imploding due to its own extreme, out-of-touch, backward-looking ideology. World history has shown that the ultimate fate of tyranny is that 1) It is short-lived; and 2) It's demise, usually, while violent, is most often final.

60Limelite
Edited: Jun 18, 2020, 7:49 pm

More Republicans Back Biden in Unprecedented Rebuke of a Sitting President
The latest super PAC of Republicans for Joe Biden, The Right Side PAC, includes short-lived former Trump communications director Anthony Scaramucci and launched Wednesday.

(SNIP)

Scaramucci said that while Trump's idea of leadership is "throwing Molotov cocktails," Biden wants to unite the country.

"Trump has hijacked this party, but there's going to be a reckoning," he said.

The creation of that PAC follows the new 45 Alumni for Biden PAC of former Bush administration officials that began this month. Former President George W. Bush will not support Trump, and his spokesman Freddy Ford told Newsweek he is also not involved in the PAC. But the group, which will fundraise for Biden, quickly gathered close to 200 supporters.

61Limelite
Jun 25, 2020, 10:22 am

Another One Bites the Dust

Former Republican presidential candidate and actual business leader, Carly FIorina, announces that she not only supports Biden but will VOTE FOR DEMOCRAT JOE BIDEN for president because she absolutely cannot vote for Trump.

Democrats are being set up by the Republicans themselves for a landslide at the polls in Nov. At this rate, no Republicans will even show up there, proving that the years of their voter suppression efforts have at last come to fruition.

62Limelite
Edited: Jun 30, 2020, 4:12 pm

Past ‘Time to bail’: Longtime Trump backer urges GOP to dump him to avoid total political wipeout
(Mickey) Kaus, who has been a dogged advocate of Trump since the early days of the 2016 Republican Primary, has written an essay called “A Time to Bail” that says the GOP would be better served at this point booting the president from the ticket and running a less controversial candidate for the presidency.

632wonderY
Jul 1, 2020, 4:36 pm

Alumni of George W. Bush administration launch pro-Biden super PAC

The group, dubbed 43 Alumni for Joe Biden, officially launched Wednesday. The group includes former Cabinet officials and other senior administration members who say they think the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee can “restore dignity” to the White House.

The super PAC's specific efforts, which will be rolled out in the coming weeks, will focus on the key swing states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and Ohio and are expected to include a get-out-the-vote campaign and events to connect disaffected Republicans who may consider supporting Biden. The group will also release testimonial videos from high-profile Republicans praising Biden.

Millikin admitted that many of the super PAC's members do not agree with all of Biden’s policies but believe that the former vice president has the right demeanor to serve as president.
“He’s a good man,” she said. “We as a group have policy differences with him. We’re just looking to have someone in the office who will stand up and act like a leader. We can debate the differences in the way we think about policies, we can have a robust debate, that’s what America’s for. But that’s not happening now, and we feel it will definitely happen with Joe Biden in office.”

The Trump campaign dismissed the new super PAC, painting it as a creature of the Washington establishment that is trying to take down the president.

“This is the swamp — yet again — trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States,” Erin Perrine, a Trump campaign spokeswoman, told Reuters, which was the first to report on the group’s formation.

64John5918
Edited: Jul 1, 2020, 4:40 pm

>63 2wonderY: trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States

Duly elected... until the next election. He is then simply a candidate for the next presidential term.

652wonderY
Jul 1, 2020, 4:48 pm

>64 John5918: That wording struck me too. Shaking my head at the stupidity. Calling the last Republican administration "the swamp," too.

66Limelite
Jul 2, 2020, 4:47 pm

Here'a your 43 Alumni for Joe Biden web page. https://43alumniforjoebiden.com/

"Join us and our former Republican colleagues in casting your vote for Joe Biden on Election Day, November 3rd, 2020. Together, we can help restore decency, honor, dignity, and true leadership to the White House."
“Joe Biden called on every American to, ‘Look at where we are now and think anew. Is this who we are? Is this who we want to be? Is this what we want to pass on to our children,’” said organizing committee member Kristopher Purcell. “We believe that a Biden administration will adhere to the rule of law, ensure equal protection for all Americans and restore dignity and integrity to the White House. This November, we are choosing country over party.
They're asking those who join to declare if they are also Bush II alumnni, and in what capacity.

67Limelite
Jul 8, 2020, 11:44 am

The Beat of Fleeing Feet Goes On

Longtime GOP voters flee Trump: ‘I’m willing to pay more taxes just to be away from him’

The NYT interviewed lifelong conservative voters who now say they're voting BIDEN in 2020. Here's a sample of the sentiments expressed.
“Just the lying, just the craziness, the bullying — I’d rather pay more money than be with him for another four years,”
(SNIP)
“I’m willing to pay more money in taxes just to be away from him. He’s corrupting the country.”


The entire article here.

68Limelite
Jul 8, 2020, 11:57 am

Why Trump Is Losing Arizona -- GOP Voters Say "Basta!"

Arizona 2016 Trump voter switches to Biden because of COVID-19: ‘He’s looking out for himself only’ It's understandably foolish to think the population most vulnerable to death from Covid-19 would NOT mass migrate away from the Coronavirus ##cker-Upper-in-Chief. Looks like voters just aren't willing to die for the economy -- as many RWNJ governors are learning as they reinstate closures and mandate masks.
Chuck Coughlin, a Republican strategist in Phoenix, tells Reuters that Olsen is not the only older Republican voter that the president has been losing thanks to his handling of the disease.

“I expect it’s very damaging with that portion of the electorate that Trump needs to persuade,” he said.
But it isn't just AZ where Trump is having to spend lots of campaign money where he won 4 years ago -- it's also FL, GA, MS, and SC -- all across the sun states. In the meantime, Biden's campaign continues to maintain its winning strategy -- do nothing to divert Trump from being Trump, as the man insists on continuing along the path of self-destruction. Don't fix what ain't broke.

69Kuiperdolin
Jul 8, 2020, 12:33 pm

More like ARINOZA.

70Limelite
Jul 8, 2020, 3:32 pm

Even more like Ari-Knows-HA!

71Limelite
Jul 21, 2020, 12:42 am

Conservatives' leading intellectual father, George Will, announces he will vote for Joe Biden. His first vote for a Democratic candidate since he began voting for Goldwater.

72Limelite
Jul 22, 2020, 4:33 pm

I owe the world an apology. . .Get this monster out of the White House. . .He's worse than the Swamp, he's the scum at the bottom of the Swamp!

Another lifelong Republican and white suburban woman voter who has joined the Resistance Mothers and will vote for Joe Biden.

Basta!

73Limelite
Jul 23, 2020, 11:01 pm

There Goes the Neighborhood

In case any doubters are left that Biden isn't going to gouge a win out of the former stonghold of the Repub Party here's that needed 2x4 between the eyes that brings blinding clarity to the issue.

Women blast Trump for 1950’s name ‘suburban housewives’: I’m a suburban woman, a mom and a lawyer

This is what is known as "a reality check."
I'm a mom of 3 children.
I live in the suburbs.
I work full time.
I bust my ass for my kids.
If you call me a "suburban housewife” I will knee you in the fucking groin.

Raise your hand if you are a woman living in the suburbs and you are voting for @JoeBiden.

— Liddle’ Savage (@littledeekay) July 23, 2020

74kiparsky
Jul 23, 2020, 11:55 pm

>73 Limelite: If you call me a "suburban housewife” I will knee you in the fucking groin.

If this is aimed at Trump, she better have pretty good aim - by all reports, there's not much target there.

75Limelite
Jul 24, 2020, 12:01 am

>74 kiparsky:

True that. It's like the risk one takes of never getting his fist back after punching the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

76John5918
Aug 2, 2020, 11:05 am

'Nobody likes me,' Trump complains, as even his allies fade (CNN)

Lamenting his plunging popularity this week, a self-pitying President Donald Trump wondered how it all went wrong. "Nobody likes me," he said, confounded at how his administration's health experts could be receiving accolades while he is accused of ignoring and denying the raging public health crisis...

77LolaWalser
Edited: Aug 3, 2020, 1:15 pm

This message has been deleted by its author.

78Limelite
Edited: Aug 3, 2020, 9:28 pm

USA Today editorial from OK special ed teacher. Looks like lifelong Republicans aren't just fleeing the Trumpian ranks, they're putting the entire Republican Party in their rear-view mirrors. That doesn't bode well for down-ticket Republicans who did nothing to stem the insanity of their man in the WH. The voters will remember to punish his enablers.

Teacher: I was a reluctant Trump voter. Coronavirus is the end of my Republican identity.
When the pandemic hit, the incompetence of the man for whom I had voted and the complicity of everyone around him forced me to admit that I could no longer maintain any kind of self-respect as a Republican. So even though I had voted Republican in every presidential election since 1976, I changed my voter registration to independent and I will be voting for Joe Biden in November.
At this rate, Trump may only be responsible for killing the Republican Party and we'll escape him being the cause of death to American democracy. November 3rd can't come soon enough -- 90 days, people, 90 more days.

79Limelite
Aug 9, 2020, 5:39 pm

Michigan Republicans are ANGRY! and want the 'Trump nightmare' to end. All the people quoted here are Republicans whose 2020 voting preferences have been followed periodically this year.
President Donald Trump’s Michigan supporters are abandoning their 2016 pick for Vice President Joe Biden as the election comes closer.
(SNIP)
1) “I’m turning into more of an angry person than I’ve ever been in my life,” she said about how she feels politically, noting that it makes her sad. “I’ve just got a countdown to November now, and I’m hoping we’ll wake up from this nightmare we’re in.

2) “I think we’re seeing it on a daily basis — this delegitimizing of pillars of our society, of institutions of government, everything from COVID testing to choices we’ve got to make for our kids. And there is just a void of leadership at the top.”. . .the kind of “law and order” Trump wants isn’t resonating with suburban voters.
(SNIP)
3) ". . .(for Trump) to make a statement saying, we’re going to be — to defund the police -- and we’re going to be overrun in our communities by all these bad people, it’s ludicrous!”
(SNIP)
4) ". . .(Trump's) bravado — that’s kind of irking me right now.”
Is it any wonder that Biden leads Trump in the national polls? And, in Michigan as of two days ago, Biden holds an 11 pt lead over his opponent who won MI in '16. And Peters, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate holds a 10 pt lead over his Republican rival.

Trump followers and supporters need not be afraid to quit on Trump in 2020. He conned you into believing he was ever for you in 2016. Get WOKE!

80Limelite
Aug 13, 2020, 9:02 pm

And in Arizona, here's the video of a CNN interview. Lifelong Republican: I'm voting Biden because I'm disgusted.
Some Republicans voters in Arizona say they are dissatisfied with the way President Trump has handled the response to coronavirus pandemic and are organizing to defeat him in 2020.

81John5918
Aug 13, 2020, 11:33 pm

Fox News cuts away from subdued and repetitive Trump for Biden and Harris joint appearance (Independent)

Donald Trump appeared flat during a Wednesday evening coronavirus briefing as he delivered a rambling and repetitive open statement in a monotone cadence. Before he hit the one-hour mark, even friendly Fox News decided it had seen enough as it cut to coverage of his Democratic rivals’ campaign debut...

82Limelite
Aug 14, 2020, 1:17 pm

83Limelite
Aug 14, 2020, 1:23 pm

Hundreds Of Former Bush Officials Unite To Endorse Joe Biden
A group of former George W. Bush administration officials has pledged to "engage and mobilize disenchanted GOP voters" through a new super PAC formed to elect Joe Biden to the White House.
(SNIP)
"We endorse Joe Biden not necessarily in full support of his political agenda but rather in full agreement with the urgent need to restore the soul of this nation."

85Limelite
Edited: Aug 18, 2020, 4:55 pm

>84 Kuiperdolin:

Do you crave being laughed at? Why would you post a link to a blatant propaganda troll farm blog that has absolutely NO transparency, NO credibility, and NO source information that pays for content from virtually anyone by the piece, and only posts anonymous articles submitted via e-mail?

Did you learn nothing about "research," "citations," and "reliable sources" in high school English composition?

"Stupid is as stupid does," says someone in a movie.

P.S. Don't tell me. You're one of those "contributors." Bwahahahahaha!!!

86Limelite
Aug 19, 2020, 4:51 pm

Former Republican Rep. Charlie Dent (Pa.) announced Wednesday he is endorsing Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
“Biden is fundamentally a decent and honorable man who respects the American tradition, supports the rule of law, embraces America's friends and allies, and will restore some semblance of normalcy to the functioning of government,"
(SNIP)
"Biden will perform these duties respectfully and with dignity,” the former Pennsylvania lawmaker added.
(SNIP)
He slammed the president's “utterly incoherent and ineffective response to the global pandemic” as well as Trump's attacks on the media and his communication with other world leaders.

88Cubby.R.S.
Aug 19, 2020, 8:32 pm

I mean seriously, with all of the known corruption of the Democrat party, and their stupid and crappy production of the DNC, their obvious and disgusting support of their criminals and perverts within the party, I think it's going to bite them. Freaking Kasich? What a gross and bloated party of thievery and corruption.

If true Liberals took a stance, they would not vote to continue that party.

89kiparsky
Aug 19, 2020, 11:41 pm

>88 Cubby.R.S.: "the known corruption of the Democrat party"? "support of criminals and perverts within the party"? You're hoping that by speaking of these things as if they were established facts you will be able to turn them into facts. That sort of alchemy takes more skill than you have, my friend.

Making shit up on the fly isn't going to get you anywhere, it just reminds us that you are an inveterate, not to say invertebrate, liar. You've shown over and over again that you have only enough respect for the truth to show shame when you are caught in a lie, but not enough to stop lying, and you seem to be under the impression that if you lie often enough, you'll get away with it. When are you going to learn that you're not going to get away with it?

Honestly, you would be much more interesting to argue with if you would try sticking to facts.

90Limelite
Aug 20, 2020, 1:57 pm

As Republicans stream into "the big tent" Democratic Party and/or declare their support and intentions to vote for Joe Biden, some Trump defenders complain "that's not very nice." Those apologists for a tyrant wannabee don't defend Trump by name and point to his specific wonderful (as in "I wonder about that") accomplishments that have actually made America "great." Why? Could it be because THERE ARE NONE?

No, they don't. This is what they do instead. Should one point out that spurious propaganda organs are not worthy of any regard because they lack any shred of authority to be regarded as credible, objective, and truthful -- much less as sources to support anyone with even a flea for a brain's argument -- their fallback of choice is to proclaim, "that's not very nice." I'm not trying to be nice; I'm trying to root out dishonesty, misinformation, and deceit where I, or anyone, shouldn't have to! AKA, brain rot. The truth hurts when it's dealt out to a perfidious representer because it's tantamount to pouring antiseptic solution into the ugly wound of a damaged brain. It stings like hell but it's necessary.

So, one is left to ponder why Trumpty-Dumbpties try so hard to make their pig of a president into a silk purse. Is it, the Executive, the Man? I should restate. . .is it the Worst President Ever who is also the Least Effective President Ever whom they're defending? Or is it their own sordid beliefs which are in concert with those of the deplorable valueless humbug shyster that they're defending? Are their egos cut from the same cloth that Trump's is? You know, "I'm white and right" ; "the Constitution was written by god-worshiping (no it wasn't) all-knowing white guys for people like themselves, not for furriners"; "no lives matter as much as white male gun-owners' lives do"; and "LE in uniform are not to be held accountable for brutality and crime because they can do anything whatsoever as long as they protect my privileged 'white ass' (Dolly Parton's expression, not mine) from all the POCs overrunning 'our' country."

Of course, that's why the racist supremacists continue to deny, lie, and cover for DJT. They're really denying, lying, and covering for themselves. And they know, that just like Donald Trump, they're WRONG and DEPLORABLE for going low. Some can go high and undertake moral reform and dissociate themselves and their wounded but healing egos from their temporary entanglement with Evil. This thread is about them.

Others (some of whom are among LTers) can not overcome. Why, do you suppose that is? Probably it's a simple question of values. Because, to borrow from Popeye and the Orange Shitegibbon, "I yam what I yam" and "It is what It is."
______________________________________________

The Republican Party -- where basically decent people go to die, but can be resurrected.

Deb Miller has been voting for conservative candidates since her first-ever ballot cast for Ronald Reagan.
. . .she felt a strong urge to speak up against Trump, whom she sees as having a “lack of character.”
Miller talks about how she favors Biden as a “much-needed example of empathy and human decency.”
"Though I disagree with him on several issues, I will be voting for Joe Biden in hopes that he will restore order and integrity to the executive branch,” she says
(SNIP)
(Miller is an Evangelical whose pastor husband heads their church.) “For me, I try to do everything in the light of what I think the Lord wants, in light of the Bible,” Miller says. “And right now, for me, that means really highly valuing integrity and honesty and respect and justice.
(SNIP)
Miller says she hopes a Biden administration would be tough on Russia, take action on climate change, bring on knowledgeable experts to cabinet positions, and protect free press, among other policies. And overall, she sees Biden as the candidate who is more aligned with her values.
(SNIP)
“Though I disagree with him on several issues, I will be voting for Joe Biden in hopes that he will restore order and integrity to the executive branch,” Miller says.

91Cubby.R.S.
Aug 20, 2020, 8:03 pm

>89 kiparsky:

You're going to be alright kip. Just keep pushing for what you think is right, and the true parts will stick. As for the Democrats, they are horrific. The fact that you ignore their crimes and accept no sources outside of your media sphere is your own call. When Trump wins and the criminals are locked up, your life will be just fine. When all of this petty FLO dies off, you can talk about real troubles.

You should vote for Sunny D!

92Limelite
Aug 21, 2020, 12:38 am

Can neither confirm nor deny if these folks are actually "lifelong" Rs. But they are the "big sticks" in federal LE and Intelligence over decades of American history. And they ALL know where the bodies are buried.

Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden.
Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve.

The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump.
Trump, conservatives, Republicans, and RWNJs will wake up tomorrow to see the "news."
Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday.

93Limelite
Aug 21, 2020, 9:45 pm

Former Sen. Chuck Hagel, Republican, and one-time Sec'y. of Defense, Chuck Hagel is supporting Joe Biden.

Why? Because
“I am concerned about the future of the country, what’s been happening the last three-and-a-half years, the incompetency, the corruption, the dangerous erosion of our alliances and our allies, of our trade, and that’s why I’ve come off the bench and — still a Republican, but I’m not the only Republican supporting Joe Biden,” Hagel said. https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/republican-chuck-hagel-says-trumps-incompetency...

94Limelite
Edited: Aug 21, 2020, 9:49 pm

https://youtu.be/9rLoQZdQdqM
Cuban-American voters, who have traditionally been a key constituency for the Republican Party in the key swing state of Florida. . .(now say) President Donald Trump has scared them into supporting Democratic rival Joe Biden.

95John5918
Aug 22, 2020, 1:45 am

Trouble for Trump as Fox News praises 'enormously effective' Biden speech (Guardian)

Under pressure on the last day of the Democratic convention, Joe Biden “hit a home run” with an “enormously effective” speech that blew “a big hole” in Donald Trump’s efforts to paint him as a mentally faltering captive of his party’s left wing. And that was to hear Fox News hosts Dana Perino and Chris Wallace tell it. “It was a very good speech,” added Karl Rove, a Republican strategist respected and reviled on either side of the aisle...

96Limelite
Aug 22, 2020, 5:36 pm

Republicans who abandoned Trump for Biden are ‘saints.’ The closer we get to Election Day, the greater the stream of Republicans for Bden. Former RNC Chair, Michael Steele was asked what he thought about all the "deserters." Saints or sinners?

“In my book, they’re saints, because they put the country above their party,” said Steele. He went on to refer to another lifelong Republican who had been invited to speak at the Dem National Convention. "As John Kasich said, look, 'I’m not talking about the policy, but we have to be concerned about the country first'."

Neither Republican (perhaps no more) nor Democrat. American.

97Limelite
Edited: Aug 23, 2020, 5:25 pm

TX Republican calls in to C-SPAN to tell Party hack I won't cast another vote for Trump. . .because of his response to COVID-19"

Shocked by the unexpected revolt, the feckless spokesperson responded horribly.
“President Trump said it so well,” she insisted. “Where Joe Biden and Kamala Harris see darkness, we see American greatness.”
Trump thinks the darkness is American "greatness"? Really? She might have well admitted that Trump is Voldemort.

98Limelite
Aug 24, 2020, 1:59 pm

I never thought I would leave the Republican Party, but I'm voting Biden-Harris this fall.
I watched the Democratic convention without a Republican lens and found an embrace of justice and diversity. . .Despite the doom and gloom that surrounds us, somehow the DNC was able to showcase the best of America and convey that the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket is fighting to not only restore America but to make her more equal and just for all.
She goes on to develop her reasons for abandoning the Party of Trump.
I believe that the Republican Party has truly lost its way and that it is on the wrong side of history. What’s more, the Democrats have welcomed me and other former Republicans with open arms and have shown truly what a big tent party they can be. . .The past four years have been full of reckless policy, hateful rhetoric, authoritarian decision-making, lack of leadership, nepotism and blunder after blunder.
Without the support of women like Ashley Pratte, a former Republican, who now serves as a communications strategist and a board member of Republican Women for Progress, and previously as director of media relations and a consultant for Better for America, DJT is a "dead candidate walking." Such women aren't just average women voters, they're integral operators within the Party machinery at the grassroots and lower organizational levels. In short, they are the Republican Party infrastructure. Without them, the Party ceases to exist -- beyond the 2020 election.

99Limelite
Aug 24, 2020, 2:11 pm

Fox News Reports

Bigger fish turn out to fry Don-boy on opening day of RNC convention. Jeff Flake joins over two-dozen former GOP members of Congress to launch ‘Republicans for Biden.’
EXCLUSIVE: More than two-dozen former Republican members of Congress threw their support behind a “Republicans for Biden” effort being launched Monday by the Democratic presidential nominee's campaign to engage potential GOP supporters this November.
(SNIP)
He's (Flake) since said he won't vote for Trump, but had held off on a formal Biden endorsement until now. Some others on the list had already backed the former vice president, including former Republican Sens. Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire (who is now an independent) and John Warner of Virginia.
(SNIP)
A Biden campaign official told Fox News the endorsements are a “strong rebuke” of Trump and his administration.
See article for complete list of former Congresspeople, too long to list here.

100Limelite
Edited: Aug 24, 2020, 4:31 pm

The rate at which Republicans -- ex-Republicans? -- are coming forward to announce their support for Biden and Democrats in 2020 is accelerating to the point where it's hard to keep up with the latest news and announcements of "deserters."

I mean, did you know that there's an anti-Republican Republican convention that also gets underway tonight? "The Truth Is Under Attack"

Here's another disgruntled Republican who's fed up with MAGA-Man.
Florida Republican explains he’s supporting Biden because Trump will destroy the GOP with 4 more years.
In a series of interviews with Florida voters, one Republican explained that he has to vote for former Vice President Joe Biden if he wants the GOP to have any kind of future.

“I think the safest and best thing for the Republican Party is a Biden win because then there’s something for it to rally around,” said life-long conservative, who now describes himself as a “political nomad.”
Some Republicans are coming face to face with their own characters, found it wanting in their previous support for Don-boy, and have chosen to "stand in the moment" as Americans and turn their back on Trump's evil incompetence.

101Limelite
Aug 26, 2020, 3:05 pm

And the Beat Goes On

Lifelong Bucks County Republican backs Biden amid the GOP convention: 'I refuse to allow Trump to further degrade and defile the nation.
I am a lifelong Republican, but I am first and foremost a proud American patriot. As such I refuse to allow Donald Trump to further degrade and defile the nation I love. I support and will cast my vote for Joe Biden. I believe Joe Biden will be a president who will inspire, reunite, and elevate all Americans.
(SNIP)
Donald Trump has proven himself to be a small-minded, uncaring, self-aggrandizing, compulsive liar — a president who divides our nation by inflaming fear, suspicion, and contempt.
(SNIP)
The coronavirus pandemic has laid bare and magnified how unfit Donald Trump is to serve another term as president. . .His failure to read, to lead, and his refusal to heed the advice of experts, and his consistent denial of scientific reality has resulted in disastrous economic consequences, and incalculable, preventable suffering and death.
(SNIP)
President Trump has clearly disqualified himself for a second term.
(SNIP)
I am confident that Biden’s qualifications, experience and temperament will make him an able, empathetic and decent president, and help us bring about a united and stronger nation.

102Limelite
Aug 26, 2020, 3:58 pm

Suburban Housewife, You Say? Call Me Suburban Woman!

‘I’ve been kicking myself ever since’: 2016 Ohio Trump voter is working to oust the GOP in 2020 Founder of the "Red, Wine, and Blue" 'housewife challenge,' Katie Paris has a message for Don-boy.
Women in US suburbs are rallying against President Donald Trump's reelection efforts and his claims that "suburban housewives" will vote for him in 2020.
Trump's image of voters in the suburbs is outdated, experts and women in the suburbs told Insider.
Suburban women, including those who voted for Trump in 2016, told Insider how they are mobilizing to remove a president who goes against their values.
Admittedly, not a lifelong Republican, she strayed from her home party and made her one voting mistake in 2016. In no time flat, Trump's few days in office were enough to make her return to the fold as a "woke" Democratic activist.
Four years ago, Erin Rosiello, a resident of the suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio, voted for Donald Trump.

"But within weeks I was so sorry for my decision and have been kicking myself ever since," Rosiello told Insider.
Now she's running for the Ohio House of Representatives as a Democrat.

Check out her story and those of several other suburban women of the 21st C. who will disabuse anyone who may cling to Trump's 1950s sexist labeling of them.

103Limelite
Aug 26, 2020, 4:36 pm

Another "defector" with inside working knowledge about the damage Trump's years in the WH have done to our country's security announces for Biden.

Former Trump DHS Assistant Secretary for Threat Prevention
A second former Trump administration Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official spoke out against the president and threw her support behind Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden in an ad released Wednesday by the group Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT).

Elizabeth Neumann. . .said the U.S. is "less safe today" because of President Trump's (lack of?) leadership. “A very common refrain that I was asked was ‘Does the president’s rhetoric make your job harder?’ And the answer is yes.” . . .“The president’s actions and his language are in fact racist."
(SNIP)
(His) words (following Charlottesville) gave permission to white supremacists to think that what they were doing was permissible.”

104Limelite
Aug 27, 2020, 3:39 pm

Disaffected Republican Floodgates Open as They Flee by the 100s

Over 100 former Romney and McCain campaign staffers endorse Joe Biden.
The group endorsement of Mr. Biden is the latest effort from anti-Trump Republicans to lure conservatives and moderates away from the president.
(SNIP)
“We have different views of Joe Biden and the Democratic Party platform — most of us will disagree with a fair amount of it — but we all agree that getting Donald Trump out of office is clearly in the national interest,” McCain speechwriter Mark Salter tells the Times.
“Romney Alumni for Biden” says Trump’s rhetoric and actions are antithetical to the Republican Party they believe in.
“What unites us now is a deep conviction that four more years of a Trump presidency will morally bankrupt this country, irreparably damage our democracy, and permanently transform the Republican Party into a toxic personality cult. We can’t sit by and allow that to happen.”
More than 100 Bush-McCain-Romney alums go for Biden.
“In order to emerge strong and ready to tackle the challenges before us, we must act. We must step up, get out of our comfort zone, and vote for Joe Biden. It is time for us to have initiative in our communities and networks to stand up for character, integrity, decency, and leadership,” the letter reads. Notable signers include: former Commerce Secretary CARLOS GUTIERREZ, Bush domestic policy adviser SALLY CANFIELD, former Ambassador JAMES K. GLASSMAN and former U.S. Treasurer ROSARIO MARIN.


105Limelite
Sep 4, 2020, 3:37 pm

They may not all be lifelong Republicans, but they know a real law and order candidate when the see one. Over 175 former law enforcement officials slam Trump as lawless and endorse Biden
"The list includes former US attorneys, former state attorneys general, former sheriffs and former police chiefs Fox News first obtained the list of the Biden-supporting law enforcement officials.
It includes Janet Napolitano, Karen L. Loeffler (AK), Conner Eldridge (AZ), Tom O'Halleran (AZ) and many others.
. . .retired chief of the Madison, Wis. Police Department, Noble Wray, slammed Trump as a “lawless” president.

“It’s ironic that a lawless president claims to be the ‘law and order’ president,” Wray said. “We are at a crossroads with this nation, and we need a president that has always prioritized the safety of Americans and their families.”

“We have seen time and time again that Donald Trump has prioritized advancing his own political interests before considering the well-being and livelihood of Americans.”

And retired Illinois police Col. Joann Johnson echoed a similar sentiment, slamming the president for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Johnson added: “Joe Biden has done all those things but, most importantly Joe is a man of character and of family values who I believe can heal our nation and begin to restore the trust between law enforcement and communities of color.”

106Limelite
Sep 4, 2020, 3:48 pm

Prominent Republicans and Independents, Led by Former Governor Christine Todd Whitman, Launch New Coalition Uniting Conservatives to Take On Trump and Elect Joe Biden
September 3, 2020 - Today, nearly one hundred current and former Republican and Independent elected officials, government officials, and political operatives from across the country have come together to form Republicans and Independents for Biden, a new coalition whose sole mission is to defeat Donald Trump and elect Joe Biden the next President of the United States.

. . . we deserve a president who sees the best in us, who can bring us together, and who will fight for the well-being of every American. Instead, Donald Trump delivers a daily dose of bigotry, anger, division and fear.

. . .Republicans and Independents For Biden will target persuadable Republican and right-leaning Independent voters in key battleground states. . .
Some prominent founders and steering committee members include:
Governor Christine Todd Whitman, National Chairwoman, Former Governor of New Jersey and EPA Administrator under George W. Bush
Governor Rick Snyder, Former Governor of Michigan
Rosario Marin, 41st Treasurer of the United States under George W. Bush
Governor Bill Weld, 68th Governor of Massachusetts
Mary Peters, 15th Secretary of Transportation, under President George W. Bush
William Reilly, Administrator of the EPA, under President George H.W. Bush

And many more congresspeople, members of intelligence services, religious leaders, and Republican Party officials.

107Limelite
Sep 17, 2020, 4:50 pm

KABOOM!! This Has Gotta Hurt

Bombshell: Pence’s former top homeland security aide endorses Biden. “Olivia Troye, the former top homeland security aide to Vice President Mike Pence, endorsed former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Thursday and accused President Trump of weak leadership and of dramatically mismanaging the response to the coronavirus crisis.”
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Ms. Troye recounts hearing the president — who has spoken about his phobia of germs — say in a meeting that he was glad that the virus had arrived in the United States, because it meant he would no longer have to shake hands with people he said he considered ‘disgusting.'”
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Josh Venable, who served as the chief of staff for Betsy DeVos, the secretary of education, will also join the group, known as REPAIR (Republican Political Alliance for Integrity and Reform), according to a statement. John Mitnick, the former top lawyer at Mr. Trump’s Department of Homeland Security, is an adviser to the group,” the NYT reported. Ms. Troye, a lifelong Republican who also worked in the George W. Bush administration, said in the statement that she will serve as a co-founder of the group, with the goal of restoring integrity to the Republican Party.”

108Kuiperdolin
Sep 17, 2020, 5:42 pm

I'm glad I don't have to shake hands with people too. At my previous job one woman had a gross sweaty slug for a hand and you had to let her skindrool all over yours out of politeness. Repugnant.

109kiparsky
Sep 17, 2020, 5:47 pm

>108 Kuiperdolin: out of politeness

Huh. I wouldn't have figured that would be something you'd be too concerned about.

110Kuiperdolin
Sep 17, 2020, 5:57 pm

I'm always unfailingly polite until someone else shoots first.

111Limelite
Sep 17, 2020, 6:02 pm

>110 Kuiperdolin:

Good for you. It's the best policy when all ya got is blanks.

112kiparsky
Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 pm

>110 Kuiperdolin: So I see from your previous post. A regular spewing fountain of respect, you are.

I bet the ladies love you right back, too.

113Limelite
Sep 24, 2020, 11:57 am

Are There Any Trump Cultist Heads Left To Explode?

Massive movement of former top military, State Dept, and national security officials – many Republicans – endorse Joe Biden
Hundreds of former top U.S. military, State Dept., and national security officials, including many Republicans, are signing letters endorsing former Vice President Joe Biden for President. Each letter includes direct or implicit rebukes of President Donald Trump, his policies, actions, and remarks.
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. . .75 former Republican national security officials; more than 200 retired generals and admirals; and nearly 500 retired Generals, Admirals, Senior Noncommissioned Officers, Ambassadors and Senior Civilian National Security Officials.
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. . .(a) letter from 489 generals, admirals, senior noncommissioned officers, ambassadors, and senior civilian national security leaders.
“The current President has demonstrated he is not equal to the enormous responsibilities of his office,” their letter says, “he cannot rise to meet challenges large or small. . .our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us.
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“The president has ceded influence to a Russian adversary. . .Only FDR and Abraham Lincoln came into office facing more monumental crises than the next president.”
Follow the link and read more about letters with 200 signatories and one by "75 former Republican national security officials. . .(who) signed the most scathing letter, rebuking Trump while fully-endorsing Biden.

114Limelite
Sep 26, 2020, 2:15 pm

Time Is Running Out for Republicans Who Love Country More Than Party

In a Roll Call editorial, two former Republican lawmakers state why they support Joe Biden for president.

Two former GOP congressmen are supporting Joe Biden
'Choose unity over continued division in 2020,' Djou and Edwards say.
The two of us should be among Donald Trump’s biggest supporters. One of us (Mickey) is a founding trustee of the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank and a former chairman of the American Conservative Union. Another (Charles) is an Afghanistan War veteran, a devout Christian and a graduate of Trump’s alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Finance. Both of us were elected to Congress as Republicans.

It is precisely because of, not despite, our backgrounds that neither of us are supporting Trump’s reelection.
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Childish name-calling, crude behavior and immature narcissism is unwarranted in any adult, let alone our president.
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Trump professes kinship with dictators such as Russia’s Vladimir Putin and even expressed love for North Korean despot Kim Jong Un.
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Donald Trump may pretend to be heir to the great Republican tradition that appealed to us both but he is no Republican. He is simply an ill-formed man who lacks basic self-control and shows no semblance of inner character.
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We proudly stand with the conservative value articulated by President George W. Bush, “We never forget that immigration is a blessing and a strength.”
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Most of all, we believe in a united America. As much as Republicans and Democrats may disagree, we still believe our differences are smaller than our common interests as an American people. Trump, however, repeatedly seeks to divide Americans against Americans . . .for his personal gain. This behavior is unworthy of an American president.
(SNIP)
Joe Biden is not a perfect man, but he is a man of humble decency. America needs a restored sense of national unity, basic civility and true character in our president. After four years of reckless Trumpian chaos and division, we believe it is time for a new president and ask that you join us.

Charles K. Djou represented Hawaii’s 1st District as a Republican from 2010 to 2011.

Mickey Edwards represented Oklahoma’s 5th District as a Republican from 1977 to 1993.

115Limelite
Sep 30, 2020, 2:30 pm

Republican and Former Gov of Montana, Marc Racicot, to vote for Biden

Former RNC chair and Montana governor spurns his party to endorse Joe Biden.
Former Montana governor and Republican National Committee Chair Marc Racicot on Tuesday said he would not vote for President Donald Trump, citing Trump's character as fault enough to vote for Democrat challenger Joe Biden on Nov. 3.

. . .(he) spoke of qualities such as patience, decency and openness to contrary opinion, qualities Racicot (said) are absent in the Trump administration, as the reason for voting against the Republican president.

. . .(he went on to say)". . .the content of a man's character or a woman's character to serve in that capacity is more important than any other issue that I have to consider as a matter of conscience."
(SNIP)
Racicot said, the presidency has threatened the Republic.
Racicot is not a lone wolf among MT Republicans.
In July, former Secretary of State and state Senate President Bob Brown penned a guest column in the Missoulian, his own 'Declaration of independence from the Republican Party.'

"For over 70 years, I've considered myself a Republican," Brown wrote. "But after watching Trump's consistently ignorant and irresponsible leadership, I've concluded that in good conscience, I can't remain a member of the party he has taken over."
Honorable Republican men and women have turned their backs on Donald Trump to face the fact that he is a danger to our security and democracy. They see Biden as a restorer and preserver of both. Because they remain reasonable, reality-based thinkers.

About all that's left in the Trump camp are legitimate deplorables. Having the full-throated enthusiastic backing of a racist hate group, which is about his only "base," is enough for any non-nut job to see why the right choice is to hitch their votes to the Democratic wagon and go "Ridin' with Biden" in 2020.

117John5918
Oct 11, 2020, 4:24 am

Republicans express fears Donald Trump will lose presidential election (Guardian)

Ted Cruz fears an election “bloodbath”. His fellow top Republican senator Thom Tillis is talking in terms of a Joe Biden presidency. And even Mitch McConnell, the fiercely loyal Senate majority leader, won’t go near the White House over Donald Trump’s handling of coronavirus protocols.

Individually, they could arguably be seen as off-the-cuff comments from Trump’s allies attempting to rally support for the US president just days ahead of a general election that opinion polls increasingly show him losing.

But collectively, along with pronouncements from several other Republicans appearing to distance themselves from Trump, his administration and its policies, it reflects growing concern inside the Republican party’s top tier that 3 November could be a blowout win for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

“I think it could be a terrible election. I think we could lose the White House and both houses of Congress, that it could be a bloodbath of Watergate proportions,” Cruz, the junior senator for Texas and former vocal critic of Trump, said...

118Limelite
Edited: Oct 12, 2020, 7:47 pm

Northern White Republican Voters Increasingly Abandon Trump for Biden

Biden now leads Trump by 10 points in Wisconsin, and 8 points in Michigan among white voters, even white men. Both were "red" states in 2016.

Not only do nationwide polls five Biden an ever increasing lead in the last month, he is over up $85M in money raised for campaign, in spite of Trump being the incumbent.

Insult to injury: Top GOP donor floats ‘sacrificing’ Trump to ‘protect the Senate at all costs.’
“I hope the polls have it wrong,” Dan Eberhart, a top GOP donor, tells the Associated Press. “But Republicans… need to develop a campaign strategy committed to protecting the Senate at all costs, even if it means sacrificing the Oval Office.

Former George W. Bush Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who is a reliable defender of the president, tells the AP that he fears Trump is leading his party to a total wipeout where no clever strategy for maintaining the Senate will suffice.

119Limelite
Oct 14, 2020, 5:57 pm

BREAKING: MA Republican Gov. "Cannot Support Trump"
#BREAKING: @MassGovernor releases statement saying “he “cannot support Donald Trump for President” #wcvb pic.twitter.com/SPV2MY0ykh

— Sharman Sacchetti (@SharmanTV) October 14, 2020
Baker has not committed to supporting Biden, nor has he committed to remaining a Republican. In fact, some MA voters believe he will resign membership in the Rep. Party and become a Democrat.

Whatever Baker chooses to do or not do raises this question: Is his shame too great to communicate his intentions clearly?

120Limelite
Oct 16, 2020, 6:35 pm

Trump loves white men. These 'recovering Republicans' no longer love him back.
An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed that Trump's lead among white male voters without college degrees has dropped from an enormous 35 points to a significant but narrowing 19 points.
10/15/20 Biden continues to hold double-digit national lead over Trump in NBC News/WSJ poll. Trump holds the edge among men (50 percent to 45 percent), whites (50 percent to 46 percent) and whites without college degrees (59 percent to 38 percent).
I'm voting for Joe Biden," Nick Stevens, 30, a Texas small-business owner, told me resolutely.

. . .he wasn't leaving the party because he's particularly energized by Biden, but rather because he just can't bring himself to support a man like Trump. . .Trump's performance of manhood has pushed him away from the GOP. "He feeds off a particular view of masculinity that bullies people," Stevens said.

Beyond some Evangelical church leaders who are opposed to Trump are individual members who have moved past faith and encountered their on consciences.
"He's made this party untenable," Nick Jesteadt, 30, a former conservative evangelist, told me over the phone. "There is just no compassion. And these softer skills and personality traits that shouldn't be gender-based" are now once again being tied to gender. Jesteadt described Trump's brash style of leadership, his repeated verbal abuse and his inability to listen as "old classic masculinity" and "stuff you see from '60s dad sitcoms."
Of course, most voters realized in 2016 that MAGA meant nothing more than a return to the 1950s when white male patriarchy was the dominant and unquestioned definition of 'manhood' and leadership. Not "Only I can fix it," more "Only I can do it."
Patrick Carr introduced himself as a "recovering Republican." "He openly lusted after his daughter and throws women away when they no longer please him," Carr said. While he's always voted Republican, this year he's voting for Biden and Kamala Harris.
Defying the indecent male who is occupying the WH and has worked for 3+ years to redefine American "greatness" in his own image of foulness, there are white male Republicans who found the strength of character to do two things that Trump is incapable of doing: 1) Admit they were wrong; 2) Change their behavior.

Toxic masculinity is what appeals to the still loyal men among RWNJ supporters of Trump. According to some in the Republican Party, the worship of this type of bullying aggressiveness has been associated with Republicans since Reagan. They believe empathy means weakness; compromise means push-over, nuance means flip-flopper, and wearing a mask is a challenge to their masculinity.

Once AfAms started making a living equal to white men, their hostility and aggressive hatred took over. Belittling feminism; demanding dominion over women's reproductive rights; calling black women 'welfare queens' and their unarmed sons 'thugs'; characterizing equal opportunity as discrimination against white 'privilege'; and cheering uncalled for and unjustified violence against AfAms by (largely) white LE are all expressions of their grievance mentality, aka faux victimhood.

Because there aren't enough AfAms who are visibly gainfully employed (So many are now in professions compared to their numbers in the 1950s.) in comparison to the manually laboring immigrants who are highly visible in fields and at construction sites, these 'offended sufferers of denied rights' snowflakes attack immigrants for "taking" the jobs they never considered doing in the '50s. The reality of their situation can't be acknowledged by them because the true perps are other white men.
Your average white male voter isn't struggling because a woman or a person of color took his job; he is struggling because a select group of white men are hogging resources and paying taxes at a lower rate than the vast majority of Americans.
So, let's thank the decent men and welcome them into the HUUUUGE Democratic Party tent. As for the rest, well we can enjoy watching what happens to the ones unable to detach their lips from Trump's more than accommodating fat ass. 'Cause Trump's going down and, like a dying shark covered in lampreys, he's taking all his suckers with him.

121Limelite
Oct 16, 2020, 6:57 pm

This abortion-hating Mormon never voted for a Democrat – but now she is voting for Biden."

Republicans aren't quietly sneaking out from under the flaps of the Republican tent. They're pouring out of it publicly and unashamedly. So they should. One should only be ashamed of being deplorable, not honorable.
Kaitlyn Brower Dressman is a medical doctor and active sixth-generation member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She is “deeply committed to protecting the lives, rights and health of as many people as possible, both born and unborn,” but she isn’t voting for the pro-life anti-abortion candidate in 2020. She’s voting for former vice president and Democratic candidate Joe Biden.

This pro-life doctor is voting for Biden. Read her editorial here.
Kaitlyn Brower Dressman is a medical doctor and active sixth-generation member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She is “deeply committed to protecting the lives, rights and health of as many people as possible, both born and unborn,” but she isn’t voting for the pro-life anti-abortion candidate in 2020. She’s voting for former vice president and Democratic candidate Joe Biden.

122John5918
Oct 17, 2020, 12:09 am

>121 Limelite:

On the topic of abortion and the elections, this article came to my attention this morning:

Abortion Foes Should Vote Democratic (The Progressive)

the Republican emphasis on banning the procedure and imposing other legal restrictions has not proven effective in reducing abortion. In fact, one study found that abortion rates go down in countries that make it legal. And there was little difference in abortion rates in the year prior and the year after Roe v. Wade. People who need abortions will generally find a way of getting them anyway, though often in less safe conditions. Moreover, state abortion rates have actually fallen more sharply under Democratic administrations than under Republican administrations...

A 2012 study of more than 9,000 women revealed that when women had access to free birth control, the number of abortions fell by two-thirds to three-quarters. Yet Republicans have worked to limit access to contraception and have made it more difficult for contraceptives to be covered by insurance.

Surveys have shown that the number-one reason for abortions in the United States is concerns about the ability to afford raising the child after it is born. The most effective means of dramatically lowering the abortion rate, therefore, is to make it less financially prohibitive for couples or single parents to raise children.

In northern and western Europe, abortion rates are on average half that of the United States, despite more liberal attitudes toward sexuality. That’s because most of these countries offer free and easily accessible contraception and comprehensive sex education both of which help prevent unwanted pregnancies. Furthermore, with universal health care, guaranteed paid parental leave, free daycare, more flexible work schedules and paid time off plus, in some countries, a stipend for stay-at-home parents, an unplanned pregnancy does not result in worries about financial well-being or seriously compromising career goals...

For all these reasons and more, voters for whom reducing abortions is of paramount concern should vote Democratic.

123Limelite
Oct 17, 2020, 12:34 am

>122 John5918:

Yes. Dr. Dressman makes the same arguments as justification for her support for Biden. She writes lucidly and persuasively about why her conversion is in the best interest of her religious convictions.

124Limelite
Oct 17, 2020, 6:45 pm

‘No way I can vote for another four years of Donald Trump’: lifelong Republican turns on president.
. . .in North Carolina — which is now in play for Joe Biden — one Republican voter stated he is going “against” his party because of the failures of Donald Trump and admitted that he voting for the former vice president.

Jay Copan was brutally blunt in the assessment of the man he voted for in 2016.

“The fact is, that since the beginning of the pandemic, in my opinion, Donald Trump has shown absolutely zero leadership in addressing the single biggest domestic crisis we had in 100 years and followed that in showing zero leadership in addressing the George Floyd murder at the end of May,” he exclaimed. “When I wrap all those things together and I think about the legacy for my grandchildren, there’s no way I can vote for another four years of Donald Trump.

“That’s why I’m voting against my party, but I’m voting for my country and supporting Joe Biden."

125Limelite
Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 pm

Rural voters explain why they’re leaving Trump: ‘I went from being a pawn — to collateral damage.’

Trump may be able to squeak out a win in America's farmland, but he better not be expecting a repeat of 2016. His trade wars cost family farmers to lose tens of thousands in annual income; his war on Obamacare spelled doom for rural hospitals from GA to ND; his anti-immigration "policies" cut vegetable and fruit growers' labor forces to lowest levels they'd seen in a lifetime of farming. Farmers feel manipulated, abused, and disregarded following a lot of typical charlatan promises from Trump. And they've had enough.
In a Washington Post report, Creston, Iowa beautician Re Nae Fulton said that she was done with Trump early on in his presidency.

“Silly us!” Fulton said. “He had everything handed to him. . . . Everything had to be about him — me, me, me, why aren’t you bowing down to me? We need somebody who is going to heal our country and bring people back together.

After a long-term trade war that sent many farmers spiraling into bankruptcy and a crusade against the Affordable Care Act, which funded rural hospitals, national polls show Trump’s support among rural voters is narrowing.
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Alan Weisshaar is a farmer (who) was ready to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. It didn’t go well. He and his fellow farmers lost their shirts when the export demand for corn and soybeans took a dive. He lost about $40,000 each year of the Trump trade war.

". . .then (Trump) got us out of the trade treaties, like all of them, and I went from feeling like a pawn in his personal trade war to being collateral damage.

126Earthling1
Oct 19, 2020, 11:18 am

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127Limelite
Oct 19, 2020, 5:01 pm

>126 Earthling1:

Truth hurt? Imagine!

128Limelite
Oct 20, 2020, 11:15 pm

Trump has ONLY 66 GOP endorsements ‘former national security and senior officials’ — who have no real experience.
“The missing names include former defense secretary Jim Mattis, former national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, former director of national intelligence Daniel Coats and former acting director Joseph Maguire. To be sure, none of these individuals has endorsed Biden — but or do any of them have anything complimentary to say about the president they served.
On the other hand,
Biden endorsers include 129 Republicans — prominent ones. See, for example, former director of national intelligence and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Negroponte; former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden; former CIA and FBI director William Webster; and former undersecretaries of defense Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers and Eric Edelman. It should tell you something that the Republican all-star team is batting for Biden.”
To summarize the numbers. . .
The former vice president has the endorsement of 780 retired military officers and national security appointees — nearly 12 times as many as Trump. On the flip-side, Trump has a total of 66.


129Limelite
Oct 22, 2020, 12:46 pm

Stiffed(?) Trump Law Firms Add Insult to Injury
Lawyers at Jones Day, which has earned (but were they paid?) millions as outside counsel to U.S. President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign, have donated nearly $90,000 to the campaign committee of Trump’s Democratic rival Joe Biden. Contributions to the Trump campaign by Jones Day lawyers totaled just $50, records show.

A Reuters analysis of Federal Election Commission records shows a wide gulf between individual lawyer donations to the candidates, with nearly $29 million going directly to Biden’s campaign and just under $1.75 million to Trump’s between Jan. 1, 2019 and Aug. 31, 2020. Lawyers at several other law firms representing Trump or his campaign also heavily favored Biden.

130Limelite
Oct 28, 2020, 6:12 pm

20 Former U.S. Attorneys -- All Republicans -- Condemn Donald Trump, Back Joe Biden

Say Trump is a threat to the rule of law. In an open letter, they gave 2020 Democratic nominee Joe Biden their “strongest endorsement,” slamming President Donald Trump’s politicization of the Justice Department. Trump
. . .“has clearly conveyed that he expects his Justice Department appointees and prosecutors to serve his personal and political interests in the handling of certain cases – such as the investigations into foreign election interference and the prosecution of his political associates – and has taken action against those who have stood up for the interests of justice,” says the letter.
(SNIP)
Biden, the attorneys wrote, has “devoted his career to supporting law enforcement, protecting the independence of the Justice Department, and working to ensure that the federal government exercises its law enforcement powers fairly and impartially and in the interests of all Americans.”

Election 2020 is not a choice between the "lesser of two weevils," it's a clear choice between the evil of dictatorial Trump and the lifelong public servant, Joe Biden.

131Kuiperdolin
Oct 29, 2020, 8:01 am

Watching Demonrats liquidate the RINOs as soon as they are in power will be the one silver lining if they steal this election.

132Cubby.R.S.
Edited: Oct 29, 2020, 11:09 am

>130 Limelite:

Surely anonymous. 20 out of work lawyers, for a few hundred bucks, came out and forgot what they were supposed to say...

>131 Kuiperdolin:

I think this election should kill the Democrat party and all the RINO's... The skeezey socialists have their woke existence to pretend to and the Democrats have no place in it. America will outright reject them if they pull off half of what they say...depending on which crowd they talk to, but I mean the more radical angle they take.

133Limelite
Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 pm

Former Donald Trump staffer says conservative media ‘brainwashed’ her into hating Democrats on CNN

Jessica Denson, the former coordinator of the Trump 2016 campaign’s Hispanic outreach who starred in a recent ad for Joe Biden, opened up about how she was taken in by the Trump campaign — and why he must be defeated.
(SNIP)
“I have seen that this campaign continues to go out brandishing a Bible and an American flag and claiming that they have anything to do with freedom, but I’ve lived first-hand that they have nothing to do with freedom. They have worked very much against free speech and democracy.”

Jake Tapper: “You went to work for President Trump, or candidate Trump, in 2016, doing Hispanic outreach. He launched his campaign casting aspersions on the kind of people crossing the border in Mexico, saying that they were rapists and drug dealers. . .a lot of people in the Latino community said, you must have known what you were getting in to you went to work for him. What did you tell them?”

Denson: "I spent the better part of eight years watching conservative media, being brainwashed into thinking the Democrats were really dangerous and were going to take away our freedoms. . .I understand (now) how deeply mesmerized I was into that false narrative. . .(I) believed him in his con, that he was going to put his own interest aside and be a public servant for this country.

"I hope the American people understand this message. I hope they understand when Donald Trump plays the victim, he is not the victim. He is only a victim of his own deceit. And if you want salvation for this country and redemption even for Donald Trump, he needs accountability like water in the desert and I hope that you will give that to him.”

134Limelite
Oct 29, 2020, 8:22 pm

‘Republican Voters Against Trump’ celebrates ‘countless’ number of videos ridin’ with Biden.
Republican Voters Against Trump
@RVAT2020
The RVAT Closing Ad

Countless Republicans are putting country over party & voting for the candidate of character – @JoeBiden

Thank you to all Republicans who've united against Trump, it's been an honor amplifying your voices.

Airing on TV in swing states this weekend.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321903900224593920
If you got it, FLAUNT IT!

Show us whatcha got, Trump Supporters. Where are the countless number of Democrats who made public recorded admissions of their support for the Orange Shitegibbon?

Please proceed.

135John5918
Oct 29, 2020, 11:21 pm

Trump’s COVID-19 response angers former supporters (Al Jazeera)

The US president has frequently downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus...

136Limelite
Oct 30, 2020, 2:51 pm

I am a lifelong Republican. And I am exhausted.

As a Republican, I'm tired of Trump's division, discord, vitriol and hate.
. . .for nearly two years, I served as U.S. Department of Education chief of staff in the Trump administration.

I cannot vote for the Republican nominee for president. For the good of the party I have supported my entire life, but more importantly, for the sake of the country I love, I implore all patriotic Republicans to join me.
(SNIP)
In Federalist 57, James Madison wrote: “The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society…”

Trump lacks even a modicum of the character the Founders recognized as requisite for the proper functioning of our self-governing Republic.

137Limelite
Oct 30, 2020, 6:45 pm

Former GOP Congressional Candidate Switches to Democratic Party, Will Vote Biden. Endorses ex-rival Marcy Kaptur (D)

Richard May, a former Cuyahoga County Republican party activist announced that he switching his party affiliation over to the Democrats and will vote for Joe Biden. May formerly headed a Tea Party group called the Cleveland Conservative Network. His opinion about what is still called the Republican Party, when it is actually the Party of Trump, is dour and doomstruck.
Trump’s bigotry is now embedded into the Republican Party and will not be removed in our lifetimes,” May wrote on Facebook this Thursday. “Worse, he will be honored by Republicans alongside Reagan and Goldwater regardless of what is revealed of his presidency for generations to come even if he loses horribly on Election Night.”

May said he was upset by Trump’s portrayal of Mexicans as “rapists and killers,” his policies of separating immigrant families at the border, and his coziness with Russia. Because Trump has taken over the party, May feels he has to leave. May says he voted for Libertarian Gary Johnson in 2016, but registered as a Democrat this time around and voted for Biden in Ohio’s Democratic presidential primary.

“If I identify as a Republican, people look at me as a Trump supporter,” May said. “They’re synonymous.”

138Limelite
Nov 3, 2020, 7:02 pm

Vermont Republican Gov., Phil Scott, reports he voted for Biden
"We need someone that can pull us together."

Vermont's Republican Gov. Phil Scott explains why he voted for Joe Biden, adding that "our country needs to heal." https://t.co/bMrqNVtaLc pic.twitter.com/f4WiWRvzb5

— ABC News (@ABC) November 3, 2020

139Earthling1
Nov 4, 2020, 11:47 pm

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140Limelite
Nov 5, 2020, 4:28 pm

‘I’m done. I’m out’: Republican Flees Trump CULT

Conservative officially leaving the GOP after the party fails to repudiate ‘sociopath’ Trump on Election Day. After 25 years as a Republican, Trump, his Republican enablers, and his deranged anti-democratic cultists have got on this voter's last nerve.
Conservative consultant and commentator Tara Setmayer announced she was officially leaving the GOP after watching this election.

As a principled conservative and more importantly, American, I can no longer associate with a GOP that’s fully embraced the malignancy of Trumpism.

She then hashtagged “Country over Party.”

141Earthling1
Nov 5, 2020, 8:34 pm

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142Limelite
Nov 5, 2020, 8:52 pm

>141 Earthling1:

Says a determined Trump cultist, trying to run away from his status.

Oh, Believer, is your faith so weak?