1folio_books
Forthcoming new releases:
The Waste Land LE "available exclusively in the USA"
The Neverending Story - 75th Anniversary Readers Choice Book (October 2022)
The Waste Land LE "available exclusively in the USA"
The Neverending Story - 75th Anniversary Readers Choice Book (October 2022)
2RRCBS
Disappointing about the Reader’s Choice! Had high hopes for Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell! Thanks for sharing.
3assemblyman
Put this in the other thread accidently.
One of the members of the FS Facebook group put up the Autumn magazine. It included a section on the winner of the 75th anniversary poll which is The Neverending Story. Illustrated by Marie Alice Hazel (Howls Moving Castle series). Its going to be bound as described in the actual book where they describe it as 'printed in copper and teal and bound in copper coloured silky material with circling snakes that eat each other. It looks like it will be a lovely looking book from the illustrations and description.
However one thing struck me yet again how it is stated the winner was selected. Tom Walker states 'We received more than 5,000 suggestions and from that we drew up a shortlist of five. All of which I would of been thrilled to publish. But the Neverending Story makes sense as the winner of our Readers Choice poll, because it's a book about loving books'.
It sounds like they decided the shortlist rather than use the top five choices and then decided the winner which doesn't really make it a poll (to me anyway).
One of the members of the FS Facebook group put up the Autumn magazine. It included a section on the winner of the 75th anniversary poll which is The Neverending Story. Illustrated by Marie Alice Hazel (Howls Moving Castle series). Its going to be bound as described in the actual book where they describe it as 'printed in copper and teal and bound in copper coloured silky material with circling snakes that eat each other. It looks like it will be a lovely looking book from the illustrations and description.
However one thing struck me yet again how it is stated the winner was selected. Tom Walker states 'We received more than 5,000 suggestions and from that we drew up a shortlist of five. All of which I would of been thrilled to publish. But the Neverending Story makes sense as the winner of our Readers Choice poll, because it's a book about loving books'.
It sounds like they decided the shortlist rather than use the top five choices and then decided the winner which doesn't really make it a poll (to me anyway).
4assemblyman
>1 folio_books: Why only in the USA?
5DMulvee
>1 folio_books: if only available in the US will it be priced in US$?
6Geo135
>5 DMulvee: I would assume so. Will this be the first time they have done something like this?
7abysswalker
Both strange choices, seems to me.
For The Waste Land, there are already so many fine and quality editions. Thornwillow, upcoming No Reply Press, etc.
For The Neverending Story, it might be the work from that short list with the least crossover appeal (in terms of interested audiences). Is it even particularly well known as a children's book, apart from the movie? Maybe my perception is off in some way here, but I am generally appreciative of this genre ("timeless age-neutral fantastic"), works such as Stardust and Peter Pan. For whatever reason, The Neverending Story doesn't entice me. Maybe I'll read it beforehand to see if it stands out as something special.
For The Waste Land, there are already so many fine and quality editions. Thornwillow, upcoming No Reply Press, etc.
For The Neverending Story, it might be the work from that short list with the least crossover appeal (in terms of interested audiences). Is it even particularly well known as a children's book, apart from the movie? Maybe my perception is off in some way here, but I am generally appreciative of this genre ("timeless age-neutral fantastic"), works such as Stardust and Peter Pan. For whatever reason, The Neverending Story doesn't entice me. Maybe I'll read it beforehand to see if it stands out as something special.
8red_guy
The Waste Land is just out of copyright in the USA, - but over here not until 2036. Maybe Folio ran into trouble reaching an agreement with Faber?
9Shadekeep
>7 abysswalker: I suspect The Waste Land is being done because of its centennial anniversary, in spite of it not being copyright-free in the UK and numerous fine press editions being in the work.
I'm not aware of any special legacy for The Neverending Story beyond the movie and also consider it a curious choice. I wouldn't rank it alongside Watership Down or even The Last Unicorn, though I suspect it has its fans. Clearly some inside FS, if they tipped the poll in its favor.
I'm not aware of any special legacy for The Neverending Story beyond the movie and also consider it a curious choice. I wouldn't rank it alongside Watership Down or even The Last Unicorn, though I suspect it has its fans. Clearly some inside FS, if they tipped the poll in its favor.
10assemblyman
>7 abysswalker: It was first published in the U.K. in October 1922 which makes this the centenary. Which will be strange when they cant publish it in the U.K.
11ranbarnes
>10 assemblyman:
UK copyright is 70 years after the author's death, so The Waste Land goes out of copyright in 2035. In US law, anything published 95 years ago plus is in public domain
UK copyright is 70 years after the author's death, so The Waste Land goes out of copyright in 2035. In US law, anything published 95 years ago plus is in public domain
13ranbarnes
Apologies to >8 red_guy:, only saw your reply after posting.
14assemblyman
>11 ranbarnes: Disappointing as I had would have been interested in that release. Hopefully they will have something for Proust in December.
15folio_books
I suppose I'd better own up to being the person who voted for Neverending Story. And for much the same reason as Tom Walker gave - it's a book about books.
16ranbarnes
>15 folio_books:
If it's books about books you want, Seriously Foxed emailed an appreciation of Alan Bennett's An Uncommon Reader after the Queen died.
If it's books about books you want, Seriously Foxed emailed an appreciation of Alan Bennett's An Uncommon Reader after the Queen died.
17red_guy
>13 ranbarnes: Don't mention it - great minds etc.
>15 folio_books: Tsk tsk. I presume you read it before? I remember when it was published, there was a lot of 'if you liked Lord of the Rings, you'll love this' going on, which is the kiss of death for any fantasy novel. I gave it a whirl but found it heavy going - perhaps the translation. I'm sure Folio will do it proud, though. I do like books with the text printed in different colours.
>15 folio_books: Tsk tsk. I presume you read it before? I remember when it was published, there was a lot of 'if you liked Lord of the Rings, you'll love this' going on, which is the kiss of death for any fantasy novel. I gave it a whirl but found it heavy going - perhaps the translation. I'm sure Folio will do it proud, though. I do like books with the text printed in different colours.
18RRCBS
>15 folio_books: Is it well written? I have fond memories of the movie from when I was a kid, so will probably look into it.
19folio_books
>17 red_guy:
I read the book and loved it. It's certainly better than the film. I'll read it again when I have the Folio edition in my possession. But I have to say I can't imagine many things more further removed from Lord of the Rings.
>18 RRCBS: Is it well written?
It's not great literature but it's a cracking story.
I read the book and loved it. It's certainly better than the film. I'll read it again when I have the Folio edition in my possession. But I have to say I can't imagine many things more further removed from Lord of the Rings.
>18 RRCBS: Is it well written?
It's not great literature but it's a cracking story.
20assemblyman
>19 folio_books: It looks like it will be well done . It will also be hopefully released with the rumoured Folio 75.
21mr.philistine
>8 red_guy: The Waste Land is just out of copyright in the USA, - but over here not until 2036. Maybe Folio ran into trouble reaching an agreement with Faber?
A walk through FSD alleyways reveals both Joe Whitlock Blundell and Sue Bradbury - former Production and Editorial Directors at The Folio Society respectively, running into obstruction from the TS Eliot Society.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/34801#:~:text=T.S.Eliot,time
https://www.librarything.com/topic/340954#7876393
And even a wifely grudge by Valerie!
https://www.librarything.com/topic/67934#3355147
https://www.librarything.com/topic/96255#3608674
2036, 1965, 70-year copyright extensions and Eliot's will explained below:
https://qz.com/580123/its-public-domain-day-and-once-again-americans-get-almost-...
https://theworld.com/~raparker/exploring/thewasteland/excopy.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ts-eliot-and-the-privacy-problem-1.2111...
A walk through FSD alleyways reveals both Joe Whitlock Blundell and Sue Bradbury - former Production and Editorial Directors at The Folio Society respectively, running into obstruction from the TS Eliot Society.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/34801#:~:text=T.S.Eliot,time
https://www.librarything.com/topic/340954#7876393
And even a wifely grudge by Valerie!
https://www.librarything.com/topic/67934#3355147
https://www.librarything.com/topic/96255#3608674
2036, 1965, 70-year copyright extensions and Eliot's will explained below:
https://qz.com/580123/its-public-domain-day-and-once-again-americans-get-almost-...
https://theworld.com/~raparker/exploring/thewasteland/excopy.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ts-eliot-and-the-privacy-problem-1.2111...
22sekhmet0108
I am disappointed with The Neverending Story being chosen. I have read it in German and it is a nice book, but why would i read it in English when i can read it in the original. Plus,the German editions have been quite nice, two colour printing throughout. They have even taken out a black and copper special edition, and a huge illustrated special edition.
Are there to be any other special surprises for Folio Society's 75th? So far things seem pretty much like any other year.
Are there to be any other special surprises for Folio Society's 75th? So far things seem pretty much like any other year.
23Geo135
>22 sekhmet0108: I am as well. I was hoping for Blood Meridian
24SF-72
I remember enjoying The Neverending Story very much as a child, and the author is considered one of the greatest authors of German children's literature. So I understand FS picking this one - with the caveat that it's a translation. I just took a look at the preview on amazon to see what I thought of the style as an adult, and it contained a really charming play on words that can't be translated into English. And the English translation also promptly contained a mistake in another passage. So while the German style is really nice, the translation - as so often - isn't as good. So no matter how appealing the FS edition might be, for anyone who can read the original that one's much better. I find it a bit disappointing that they chose a non-original / translated book for this anniversary. And yes, the way it was chosen - not really by poll at all - is also disappointing. Why not add a proper poll for at least the finalists?
As for how it's made: I don't know about English editions, but the original German one already had two-colour printing as described in the novel and was illustrated. The illustrated deluxe edition looks even nicer to me, the illustrations are beautiful and there are over 150, and it's printed in two colours, too. Thanks for mentioning it, sekhmet0108. I'll buy that one.
As for how it's made: I don't know about English editions, but the original German one already had two-colour printing as described in the novel and was illustrated. The illustrated deluxe edition looks even nicer to me, the illustrations are beautiful and there are over 150, and it's printed in two colours, too. Thanks for mentioning it, sekhmet0108. I'll buy that one.
25SF-72
As a P. S.
The film and book of The Neverending Story are very different. I preferred the book, but some people who saw the film first see it the other way around.
And I just had to laugh at someone complaining in their review about the too complex language - the sentences are too long. Yes, books for kids in the 70s weren't dumbed down with regard to language and the language was more 'demanding' than today. I somehow managed, and I wasn't even an adult back then like this reviewer. ;-) Times really have changed.
The film and book of The Neverending Story are very different. I preferred the book, but some people who saw the film first see it the other way around.
And I just had to laugh at someone complaining in their review about the too complex language - the sentences are too long. Yes, books for kids in the 70s weren't dumbed down with regard to language and the language was more 'demanding' than today. I somehow managed, and I wasn't even an adult back then like this reviewer. ;-) Times really have changed.
26Lady19thC
Drats. I was really hoping for Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell as the anniversary pick. I recently picked up a nice hardcover of The Neverending Story, though I have not read it yet. Rather disappointed in the 2 different colour fonts, one which is super hard to read. I wonder what this edition will look like? Considering this is their big 75th anniversary, it seems a bit bland to me.
27CJDelDotto
I'm absolutely DELIGHTED to see that FS is going to put out a LE edition of The Waste Land! I hope FS gradually starts doing nice editions of more modern and contemporary poetry.
28What_What
It's odd the new edition of The Wasteland can only be sold in the US, as the Thornwillow and No Reply Press versions didn't seem to have that restriction.
Maybe they both got permission to sell worldwide.
Maybe they both got permission to sell worldwide.
29L.Bloom
I recently purchased the Thornwillow Wasteland in half-cloth for $375. It is a gem. It will be very interesting to see the price point FS is thinking for this.
30rsmac
The Neverending Story - a popular fantasy novel that was made into a movie that has nostalgia appeal. We all should have seen that pick coming.
31Nerevarine
>30 rsmac: Have you seen coming the next LE though ?
32ambyrglow
>28 What_What: I suspect that might have something to do with Thornwillow and No Reply Press being American companies doing their production on American soil (and the poem being out of copyright in America).
33rsmac
>31 Nerevarine: Is it The Hobbit, priced at $1100? LotR was successful. There was a movie series. It lacks imagination (as a Folio selection) and panders to the pop fantasy crowd. That would make sense at this point.
34Nerevarine
>33 rsmac: I definitely see them doing The Hobbit LE. Why not, LOTR has been successful (as you stated) ?
But I was talking about The Waste Land LE. Have you seen it coming ?
But I was talking about The Waste Land LE. Have you seen it coming ?
35assemblyman
>32 ambyrglow: I thought copyright would still require No Reply and Thornwillow to require permission from Faber & Faber to sell internationally. It might be a good question for the Fine Press forum or those active in it.
36booksforeveryone
>35 assemblyman: This is correct. It doesn’t matter what the copyright status is in the country that’s making it (case in point: Wasteland is being made in the UK, where FS wasn’t able to secure permission).
One assumes that Thornwillow and No Reply Press either only sold copies within the US, or secured permission to sell it to customers outside the US.
One assumes that Thornwillow and No Reply Press either only sold copies within the US, or secured permission to sell it to customers outside the US.
37Juniper_tree
>36 booksforeveryone: or since they only have a US website, sell it in dollars, and have a comparatively small number of UK sales, they didn’t worry about such things! Folio as a company is on a different scale and so attracts more attention and scrupulously sticks to the rules (I.e. US taxes for individual states, where even large book sellars don’t bother with this).
38wcarter
I suspect there will be a significant secondary market for the Waste Land LE as those outside the USA try to buy copies from those who were allowed to purchase it.
I actually don't think the FS should have considered this for publication at all considering its limited distribution while there are hundreds of other titles that could have been produced for worldwide distribution.
I actually don't think the FS should have considered this for publication at all considering its limited distribution while there are hundreds of other titles that could have been produced for worldwide distribution.
39CJDelDotto
>38 wcarter: Would you feel differently had FS secured global distribution rights?
41Hamwick
I am pleased about The Waste Land, surprised about the Neverending Story. Even typing it has the song playing in my mind! I loved the movie when I was a child, perhaps due to having a crush on the princess… they also had it play in the theatre, which I saw. It was not a book I would have considered buying, however the recommendations on here are making me think I should not dismiss it.
42jswift81
I knew it was a long shot, but I was really hoping for Lonesome Dove. I've been looking to upgrade my paperback for some time.
43ian_curtin
The shortlist for the anniversary edition was a strange one, I thought, and this is far and away the most disappointing outcome. No disrespect to those pleased and looking forward to Neverending Story - just "not for me", as the football pundits say.
>33 rsmac: >34 Nerevarine: I would have said even last week that The Hobbit was much too slim a book to support an LE, but then Turn of the Screw showed up at the staggering price of £500, so all bets are off I guess.
>33 rsmac: >34 Nerevarine: I would have said even last week that The Hobbit was much too slim a book to support an LE, but then Turn of the Screw showed up at the staggering price of £500, so all bets are off I guess.
44Cat_of_Ulthar
>43 ian_curtin: 'I would have said even last week that The Hobbit was much too slim a book to support an LE'
The Folio edition of The Hobbit is 245 pages. That's much longer than some other LEs Folio have published.
For example, the Letterpress Shakespeare generally seem to be around 100-120 pages, although I haven't checked all 39 of them. Comedy of Errors was shorter at only 75.
The war poets are even shorter: Wilfred Owen - 58 pages; Rupert Brookes - 60 pages; Edward Thomas - 66 pages.
And the three books from the Bible that were released as LEs are shorter still: The Book of Jonah clocks in at 15 pages!
Of course none of these cost £500.
The Turn of the Screw is 168 pages, according to the description, so a respectable length but, yes, a whopping price.
Edit: I should perhaps note that I am just counting the numbered text pages of the works and ignoring additional material like essays or commentary volumes.
The Folio edition of The Hobbit is 245 pages. That's much longer than some other LEs Folio have published.
For example, the Letterpress Shakespeare generally seem to be around 100-120 pages, although I haven't checked all 39 of them. Comedy of Errors was shorter at only 75.
The war poets are even shorter: Wilfred Owen - 58 pages; Rupert Brookes - 60 pages; Edward Thomas - 66 pages.
And the three books from the Bible that were released as LEs are shorter still: The Book of Jonah clocks in at 15 pages!
Of course none of these cost £500.
The Turn of the Screw is 168 pages, according to the description, so a respectable length but, yes, a whopping price.
Edit: I should perhaps note that I am just counting the numbered text pages of the works and ignoring additional material like essays or commentary volumes.
45gmacaree
>43 ian_curtin: The Hobbit is already an LE so ...
46Geo135
>44 Cat_of_Ulthar: it’s way too expensive. I’d like to see more LE’s like Hill House in the future. It may not be goatskin leather but it is still very nice and is well protected in its box. There’s a reason it sold out so quickly. I feel there is big demand for sub $500 LE’s
47Cat_of_Ulthar
>45 gmacaree: 'The Hobbit is already an LE so ...'
That too, and I own it, but I must admit, if they did a new one in the same style as the recent LoTR, I would be very tempted to buy it.
That too, and I own it, but I must admit, if they did a new one in the same style as the recent LoTR, I would be very tempted to buy it.
48ian_curtin
>45 gmacaree: >47 Cat_of_Ulthar: Ah, I had totally missed (or forgotten) they'd done an LE. I suppose that torpedoes my speculations!
>44 Cat_of_Ulthar: Yes, all very fair comparisons. I suppose I didn't mean pure page count, but still. And of course I am neglecting the fact that anything Tolkien has automatic built-in demand on a global scale.
And I am also at least partly mixing in my reaction to the Jackson movies: there was no way the book should have been stretched to a cinematic trilogy.
>44 Cat_of_Ulthar: Yes, all very fair comparisons. I suppose I didn't mean pure page count, but still. And of course I am neglecting the fact that anything Tolkien has automatic built-in demand on a global scale.
And I am also at least partly mixing in my reaction to the Jackson movies: there was no way the book should have been stretched to a cinematic trilogy.
49Willoyd
>1 folio_books:
Forthcoming new releases....
The Neverending Story - 75th Anniversary Readers Choice Book (October 2022)
By a long way, the book that was bottom of my list. The only one I wouldn't consider buying, and would have snapped either the McMurtry or the McCarthy.
Forthcoming new releases....
The Neverending Story - 75th Anniversary Readers Choice Book (October 2022)
By a long way, the book that was bottom of my list. The only one I wouldn't consider buying, and would have snapped either the McMurtry or the McCarthy.
51InVitrio
The entire 75th anniversary choice list was pretty woeful. None of them is the sort of special book for a special anniversary.
52dlphcoracl
>50 folio_books:
Same.
This is a modern fantasy tale with universal appeal, so much so that as of 2010 it has been translated into 36 languages, sold eight million copies worldwide, and been made into successful films several times. No, it doesn't appeal to the horror, doom & gloom. dystopian branch of modern sci-fi but it is an excellent choice for the Folio Society.
Best of all, it already has an extraordinary set of illustrations by gifted German Artist Roswitha Quadflieg. If the FS can commission the Quadflieg illustrations this will be an exceptional edition. For those unfamiliar with Quadflieg, aside from her artwork she founded a German private press named Raamen-Presse as a platform and vehicle for her artwork. The Raamen-Presse is considered one of the best of the post-1950 German private presses and the top titles are highly sought after.
53Willoyd
>52 dlphcoracl:
No, it doesn't appeal to the horror, doom & gloom. dystopian branch of modern sci-fi but it is an excellent choice for the Folio Society.
It doesn't appeal either to anybody who's not into fantasy, full stop. It certainly represents a direction that the FS has taken, but whether it is an excellent choice is a matter of opinion!
(I actually tend to agree with >51 InVitrio:. Even though I'd have probably bought any one of the others, it's not a good list for a 75th anniversary).
What I'm still hoping for is a Folio 75.
No, it doesn't appeal to the horror, doom & gloom. dystopian branch of modern sci-fi but it is an excellent choice for the Folio Society.
It doesn't appeal either to anybody who's not into fantasy, full stop. It certainly represents a direction that the FS has taken, but whether it is an excellent choice is a matter of opinion!
(I actually tend to agree with >51 InVitrio:. Even though I'd have probably bought any one of the others, it's not a good list for a 75th anniversary).
What I'm still hoping for is a Folio 75.
54assemblyman
>52 dlphcoracl: It was confirmed that Marie-Alice Harel who did the Diane Wynne Jones Howl series has done the illustrations for this edition. Though I will still be looking up your recommendation Roswitha Quadflieg.
55assemblyman
>53 Willoyd: Yes, cautiously hopeful for Folio 75. It will be interesting to see if FS use the same design as Folio 50 and 60.
56folio_books
>53 Willoyd: What I'm still hoping for is a Folio 75.
Me too! But Neverending Story will do while I'm waiting.
Me too! But Neverending Story will do while I'm waiting.
57dlphcoracl
>53 Willoyd:
"It doesn't appeal either to anybody who is not into fantasy, full stop."
Absolutely correct. If this is not your proverbial cup of tea it will have little appeal.
Nevertheless, the sci-fi/fantasy genre has become huge for the FS and is certainly in keeping with their new(er) direction and audience. Additionally, the plot line of a teenager entering an antiquarian bookshop, becoming engrossed in a book which takes him into another world and serves as a coming-of-age experience has appeal as a 75th anniversary edition, much more so than a Cormac McCarthy novel or Lonesome Dove, a Texas/western-based novel which is decidedly USA-centric.
Can't please 'em all.
"It doesn't appeal either to anybody who is not into fantasy, full stop."
Absolutely correct. If this is not your proverbial cup of tea it will have little appeal.
Nevertheless, the sci-fi/fantasy genre has become huge for the FS and is certainly in keeping with their new(er) direction and audience. Additionally, the plot line of a teenager entering an antiquarian bookshop, becoming engrossed in a book which takes him into another world and serves as a coming-of-age experience has appeal as a 75th anniversary edition, much more so than a Cormac McCarthy novel or Lonesome Dove, a Texas/western-based novel which is decidedly USA-centric.
Can't please 'em all.
58rsmac
They could have come closer to "pleasing them all" if they picked more of a standard classic. It would be hard for them to come up with one they haven't already done, but for a big anniversary release this is one time they truly should have focused on "universal appeal."
They must know that a certain set of Folio customers are not into the recent fantasy trend and this is almost like a declaration of Folio's commitment to fantasy over the genres that made this company a lasting success for 75 years.
They must know that a certain set of Folio customers are not into the recent fantasy trend and this is almost like a declaration of Folio's commitment to fantasy over the genres that made this company a lasting success for 75 years.
59jroger1
>52 dlphcoracl: “As of 2010 it has been translated into 36 languages, sold eight million copies worldwide.”
If we’re going to use popularity as a measure of quality, DaVinci Code sold 80 million copies as of 2009 and has been translated into 44 languages. Fifty Shades of Grey has been translated into 52 languages and set a record in the United Kingdom as the fastest-selling paperback of all time.
If we’re going to use popularity as a measure of quality, DaVinci Code sold 80 million copies as of 2009 and has been translated into 44 languages. Fifty Shades of Grey has been translated into 52 languages and set a record in the United Kingdom as the fastest-selling paperback of all time.
61wcarter
>60 RRCBS:
True Faddicts use them regularly to search for more material to feed their addiction.
True Faddicts use them regularly to search for more material to feed their addiction.
62folio_books
>60 RRCBS: Does anyone regularly use the Folio bibliographies?
My working copy of Folio 60 sits at my side while I am using the computer (ie on the internet) and is a constant reference, my most-used Folio book. I do keep a second copy, pristine, in with other Folios on the shelves.
My working copy of Folio 60 sits at my side while I am using the computer (ie on the internet) and is a constant reference, my most-used Folio book. I do keep a second copy, pristine, in with other Folios on the shelves.
63assemblyman
>60 RRCBS: I only have Folio 60 at the moment but I regularly dip into it. It's a great reference but also an interesting read.
64red_guy
>60 RRCBS: I use it all the time. Chasing illustrators, publication dates, bindings, dimensions, editions - I bought Folio 50 because it was cheap on eBay, but when I realised how much I used it, Folio 60 quickly followed. If you are hesitating, don't.
65folio_books
>63 assemblyman: It's a great reference but also an interesting read.
My personal choice for the best bibliography to read would be Folio 50. There's a wealth of stimulating articles celebrating 50 years of Folio's existence (more than in Folio 60) and can be grabbed unelievably cheaply on the secondary market. I saw one for £10 on eBay as recently as last week.
Edited to add an "a"
My personal choice for the best bibliography to read would be Folio 50. There's a wealth of stimulating articles celebrating 50 years of Folio's existence (more than in Folio 60) and can be grabbed unelievably cheaply on the secondary market. I saw one for £10 on eBay as recently as last week.
Edited to add an "a"
66SF-72
>58 rsmac:
This is a children's novel from 1979, not part of 'the recent fantasy trend' as you call it, but a classic of children's literature. And it's a book about the power of books. I won't be buying it - I don't want a translation, but I can understand their choice. This can be a book for all ages (though certainly not all interests) and continues their tradition of publishing beautiful children's books. That it ties in to some degree to fantasy certainly won't hurt, it sells quite obviously.
This is a children's novel from 1979, not part of 'the recent fantasy trend' as you call it, but a classic of children's literature. And it's a book about the power of books. I won't be buying it - I don't want a translation, but I can understand their choice. This can be a book for all ages (though certainly not all interests) and continues their tradition of publishing beautiful children's books. That it ties in to some degree to fantasy certainly won't hurt, it sells quite obviously.
68assemblyman
>65 folio_books:>67 What about the add on cost? I bought Folio 60 for about €20 and its cost me a fortune since then :)
69folio_books
>68 assemblyman:
When Folio changed to the "new" website and everyone lost their buying history we were offered a spreadsheet with the "missing" information. I, like many others, was dumbfounded by seeing hard evidence of how much they had made out of me. The period was 2004-2018 and I had donated over £18000 to Folio coffers. And then the thought occurred I must have spent at least as much in the secondary market (thanks largely to the bibliographies).
Wisely, especially given the way prices have rocketed recently, I declined to keep track of my purchases thereafter.
When Folio changed to the "new" website and everyone lost their buying history we were offered a spreadsheet with the "missing" information. I, like many others, was dumbfounded by seeing hard evidence of how much they had made out of me. The period was 2004-2018 and I had donated over £18000 to Folio coffers. And then the thought occurred I must have spent at least as much in the secondary market (thanks largely to the bibliographies).
Wisely, especially given the way prices have rocketed recently, I declined to keep track of my purchases thereafter.
70rsmac
>66 SF-72: I haven't read it but saw the film and its sequel. It sure looked like fantasy to me. If you look up anything online it is described as fantasy. I am completely confident "fantasy" is the proper descriptor for that one and whether or not it is fantasy aimed at children doesn't make that much of a better pick. In fact, picking a children's book is also lacking in "universal appeal" as almost all buyers are adults and many won't want an expensive kid's book.
I agree they should have picked a book originally in English, and if it were up to me a book from a British author since Folio is a UK company. If I were king of Folio, I would have picked maybe someone like Salman Rushdie or Hanif Kureishi or Kazuo Ishiguro who are British but have roots in other countries as a tip to Folio publishing international literature.
I agree they should have picked a book originally in English, and if it were up to me a book from a British author since Folio is a UK company. If I were king of Folio, I would have picked maybe someone like Salman Rushdie or Hanif Kureishi or Kazuo Ishiguro who are British but have roots in other countries as a tip to Folio publishing international literature.
71whytewolf1
"...if it were up to me a book from a British author since Folio is a UK company."
As an American, I'm kind of stunned that they didn't pick a UK author, and I think it would have been entirely appropriate for them to have done so.
As an American, I'm kind of stunned that they didn't pick a UK author, and I think it would have been entirely appropriate for them to have done so.
72Shadekeep
>70 rsmac: >71 whytewolf1: Likewise. And I like the suggestion from @rsmac of the kinds of authors they could have gone with.
Their choice of The Neverending Story may be defensible on numerous grounds, but it still seems an odd one to me, even if I can't quite articulate why. It's sort of how I'd feel if they had picked the Moominland books (which I think are lovely, but not what I'd expect from FS for a milestone anniversary).
Their choice of The Neverending Story may be defensible on numerous grounds, but it still seems an odd one to me, even if I can't quite articulate why. It's sort of how I'd feel if they had picked the Moominland books (which I think are lovely, but not what I'd expect from FS for a milestone anniversary).
73Cat_of_Ulthar
>48 ian_curtin: 'there was no way the book should have been stretched to a cinematic trilogy.'
I haven't seen the Hobbit movies but my mind does boggle at the idea of stretching the book out that much so I am inclined to agree with you there!
I haven't seen the Hobbit movies but my mind does boggle at the idea of stretching the book out that much so I am inclined to agree with you there!
74AnnieMod
Wasn't the 75th anniversary book a readers' choice actually? They sent a list, people sent back votes/ratings? That was my impression when they sent the list of the candidates but I may be misremembering.
From the mail late last year: "Back in May we asked you for one title suggestion, of any genre, and a staggering 5,200 Folio customers voted worldwide.
Our editorial team has now released a shortlist of the top five suggestions for you to cast your final vote. We will publish the winner to mark our anniversary next year.*
*Publication of the winning title is subject to rights being acquired."
Unless someone is implying that Folio manipulated the vote, the choice was made by the people who voted... which arguably are the people who care about Folio enough to vote in these things.
From the mail late last year: "Back in May we asked you for one title suggestion, of any genre, and a staggering 5,200 Folio customers voted worldwide.
Our editorial team has now released a shortlist of the top five suggestions for you to cast your final vote. We will publish the winner to mark our anniversary next year.*
*Publication of the winning title is subject to rights being acquired."
Unless someone is implying that Folio manipulated the vote, the choice was made by the people who voted... which arguably are the people who care about Folio enough to vote in these things.
75assemblyman
>74 AnnieMod: I don’t think it was the top vote overall. They announced the winner as so ‘We received more than 5,000 suggestions and from that we drew up a shortlist of five.
Last December after the poll they asked us to pick from a shortlist ‘Our initial survey in May 2021 received over 5,000 responses from customers around the world and our editorial team has now whittled them down to the following five titles.‘
The final five on the shortlist were chosen by the editorial team from the over 5000 responses so it was manipulated at that stage. It was only a purely voters choice after that. I certainly don’t begrudge The Neverending Story being published by FS just the way they handled the poll.
Last December after the poll they asked us to pick from a shortlist ‘Our initial survey in May 2021 received over 5,000 responses from customers around the world and our editorial team has now whittled them down to the following five titles.‘
The final five on the shortlist were chosen by the editorial team from the over 5000 responses so it was manipulated at that stage. It was only a purely voters choice after that. I certainly don’t begrudge The Neverending Story being published by FS just the way they handled the poll.
76Cat_of_Ulthar
Nobody has mentioned the teaser for the forthcoming 'futuristic sci-fi classic' yet, which is unlike you lot.
It's a detail from a larger picture and looks like a (very strong) small bird carrying a monkey wrench. Or perhaps it's just sitting on the wrench and is excitedly trying to tell us that 'Bob's fallen down the well!'
Or maybe it's something else entirely, I am just guessing here.
Have at it :-)
It's a detail from a larger picture and looks like a (very strong) small bird carrying a monkey wrench. Or perhaps it's just sitting on the wrench and is excitedly trying to tell us that 'Bob's fallen down the well!'
Or maybe it's something else entirely, I am just guessing here.
Have at it :-)
77AnnieMod
>75 assemblyman: And I never said it is. But it was probably the top vote of the 5 they chose for the shortlist and I suspect they balanced the shortlist a bit before publishing it (thus we ended with this shortlist).
It is possible one of the others did get more votes in that last voting but they could not secure the rights so Ende became the winner despite not getting too many votes. Who knows.
But most of the comments above seem to imply that someone in Folio consciously made a choice to publish this one (because it is fantasy apparently) and not one of the other 4 and complain that Folio did not chose one of the other 4 which has wider (according to some) appeal.
But then it really did not matter which one they published - the thread would have looked the same, maybe with somewhat different people complaining. So there is that :)
It is possible one of the others did get more votes in that last voting but they could not secure the rights so Ende became the winner despite not getting too many votes. Who knows.
But most of the comments above seem to imply that someone in Folio consciously made a choice to publish this one (because it is fantasy apparently) and not one of the other 4 and complain that Folio did not chose one of the other 4 which has wider (according to some) appeal.
But then it really did not matter which one they published - the thread would have looked the same, maybe with somewhat different people complaining. So there is that :)
78Shadekeep
>76 Cat_of_Ulthar: Haven't seen the image, but from your description of it, perhaps Murakami's The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle? Or Tevis's Mockingbird?
79assemblyman
>77 AnnieMod: It was the top vote from the five on the shortlist however they came to that point so I will leave it at that. I have brought my points up before about the poll earlier in the thread so I’m not going to bang on about it again.
And yes the thread would have had complaints no matter what was chosen, just like every other collection release :)
And yes the thread would have had complaints no matter what was chosen, just like every other collection release :)
80Willoyd
>66 SF-72:
This is a children's novel from 1979, not part of 'the recent fantasy trend' as you call it, but a classic of children's literature..... This can be a book for all ages (though certainly not all interests) and continues their tradition of publishing beautiful children's books. That it ties in to some degree to fantasy certainly won't hurt, it sells quite obviously.
All true, but I'm an adult!
This is a children's novel from 1979, not part of 'the recent fantasy trend' as you call it, but a classic of children's literature..... This can be a book for all ages (though certainly not all interests) and continues their tradition of publishing beautiful children's books. That it ties in to some degree to fantasy certainly won't hurt, it sells quite obviously.
All true, but I'm an adult!
81RRCBS
>65 folio_books: checked out Folio 50 and decided that it does appear to have a more interesting bibliography. Ordered it, not that I need more encouragement to add to my 1K + collection of Folios.
82SF-72
>80 Willoyd:
Me, too. That doesn't mean that adults absolutely won't buy or read children's literature. I just bought a nicely illustrated edition of a book by Astrid Lindgren I last read as a kid. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to my memories. Many people buy such books to read (or gift) to their kids or grandkids, or out of personal interest - and of course some won't. What I can say is that when I became a member in 2012, children's literature was a very important and cherished part of what they had for sale, and I can understand that they would go for something like this for their anniversary. That specific book actually isn't for me (I won't buy a translation), but I see the sense behind it.
That being said, it looks like it was the one most voted for after all - I misunderstood that and thought they chose it from a list of suggestions - and I've read wishes for the book on here for years. So I won't complain, whether I want to buy it or not. It seems like a good match to me, though of course not everyone will feel that way.
Me, too. That doesn't mean that adults absolutely won't buy or read children's literature. I just bought a nicely illustrated edition of a book by Astrid Lindgren I last read as a kid. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to my memories. Many people buy such books to read (or gift) to their kids or grandkids, or out of personal interest - and of course some won't. What I can say is that when I became a member in 2012, children's literature was a very important and cherished part of what they had for sale, and I can understand that they would go for something like this for their anniversary. That specific book actually isn't for me (I won't buy a translation), but I see the sense behind it.
That being said, it looks like it was the one most voted for after all - I misunderstood that and thought they chose it from a list of suggestions - and I've read wishes for the book on here for years. So I won't complain, whether I want to buy it or not. It seems like a good match to me, though of course not everyone will feel that way.
83assemblyman
>81 RRCBS: I also ordered it. Had it on my to-buy list anyway to go with Folio 60 but your question regarding bibliographies bumped it back up the list.
>69 folio_books: I attempted that at one point last year and then gave up deciding ignorance is bliss in regards that question.
>69 folio_books: I attempted that at one point last year and then gave up deciding ignorance is bliss in regards that question.
84Willoyd
>82 SF-72:
Can't disagree with any of that - and as you say, if it's the one most voted for....
I think it just reflects why FS and I are increasingly parting company, at least when it comes to fiction - I've bought just one novel from them in the past four years, having averaged almost double figures annually in the previous 20-30. Things might be on the turn though, with The Color Purple and Their Eyes Were Watching God both now on the stocks. Fingers crossed!
Can't disagree with any of that - and as you say, if it's the one most voted for....
I think it just reflects why FS and I are increasingly parting company, at least when it comes to fiction - I've bought just one novel from them in the past four years, having averaged almost double figures annually in the previous 20-30. Things might be on the turn though, with The Color Purple and Their Eyes Were Watching God both now on the stocks. Fingers crossed!
85Shadekeep
>84 Willoyd: Their Eyes Were Watching God
This is the title that has given me the most optimism for future releases. Surprised and delighted to see it on offer, was an instant purchase for me.
This is the title that has given me the most optimism for future releases. Surprised and delighted to see it on offer, was an instant purchase for me.
86SF-72
>84 Willoyd:
I used to buy a lot more from them, too. With their current prices, I'm not entirely ungrateful that they don't publish more I'm interested in, though.
I used to buy a lot more from them, too. With their current prices, I'm not entirely ungrateful that they don't publish more I'm interested in, though.
87Willoyd
>86 SF-72:
That's true!
That's true!
88Ralf_K
The Waste Land LE sound amazing. What do you think the price will be?
Also, do you think Folio will release a standard edition for us poor folk?
Also, do you think Folio will release a standard edition for us poor folk?
89ThisLifeIrl
Apologies if this has already been posted but couldn't see it anywhere myself. On the back of the Autumn magazine there's a discount code MAG3 for 10% off. It excludes limited editions and titles released in Sept 2022 onwards, doesn't mention anything about a minimum spend and is valid until either 21st or 22nd Dec (it mentions both dates!).
91GreatPretender
>23 Geo135: The push for Blood Meridian is so strong and their refusal to develop it is so odd that it has me pondering why this would ever possibly be the case. One thought I have is perhaps Cormac McCarthy is holding things up in some way. After all it's pretty clear reading about him he's an eccentric man, so perhaps there was some factor after they did The Road that put him off the whole process. Who knows, I'm hardly an expert even of how the publishing process would work for Folio Society and how much the author would be involved in it.
92GardenOfForkingPaths
>88 Ralf_K: Having just read the article on the Waste Land LE in the FS magazine this morning, I'm confident in saying 'not cheap' :)
For anyone who hasn't seen the article yet:
- Letterpress printed by Hand & Eye
- Zerkall mould-made paper
- Linen sides with a gold-blocked vellum spine (there appears to be a vellum strip along the fore-edge of the covers too), bound by Ludlow Bookbinders
- Gilded top-edge
- 11 illustrations and cover design by Tom Phillips
- From the pictures, it looks to be quite large (perhaps about Letterpress Shakespeare size?).
- Clamshell case lined with Kamosho Purple ('a recycled cotton flock that gives an elegant suede leather look')
- Limited to 350 copies, only available in the US
For anyone who hasn't seen the article yet:
- Letterpress printed by Hand & Eye
- Zerkall mould-made paper
- Linen sides with a gold-blocked vellum spine (there appears to be a vellum strip along the fore-edge of the covers too), bound by Ludlow Bookbinders
- Gilded top-edge
- 11 illustrations and cover design by Tom Phillips
- From the pictures, it looks to be quite large (perhaps about Letterpress Shakespeare size?).
- Clamshell case lined with Kamosho Purple ('a recycled cotton flock that gives an elegant suede leather look')
- Limited to 350 copies, only available in the US
93bacchus.
>89 ThisLifeIrl: Thank you!
Unfortunately it doesn’t combine with the 20GBP > 200GBP discount - still 10% before Sep 2022 is the better deal for me.
Unfortunately it doesn’t combine with the 20GBP > 200GBP discount - still 10% before Sep 2022 is the better deal for me.
94Shadekeep
>89 ThisLifeIrl: Ah, thanks. Kind of wish I held my large order now, but still might put this one to use. I did get $30 off $300+ USD on mine, but this would have been even more. Appreciate you sharing it!

