New work page features

So...I ended up rolling out some new work page features last night. I was just going to fix a minor bug on the page when all hell broke lose and some new code escaped*.

Since we were talking about trying to get work pages released before we actually released collections I decided it was worth the effort to just release the new features (even though they really aren't completely finished). A few people even saw all kinds of new collections controls, menus, etc. Basically, collections were live on work pages for a few minutes (not really. the controls themselves wouldn't actually allow editing).

"So, Christopher, quit yer jabberin' and tell us what's new?"
Ok. You may notice that something is new with the section headings. There is a little arrow on the left of each of them and your mouse cursor changes when your slide over any of the headings. Hm.

Well, you can now use the little arrow (we call it a divot here at LT) to hide sections that you don't want to see. It remembers your settings so when you go to the next work page the same sections will be visible/hidden.

In addition, you can drag sections to rearrange them. Just click and drag on any of the section headings (I find it easier to arrange when they are all collapsed and then I open the ones I want opened). This setting is also saved.

So basically you now have completely customizable work pages. This is a test run. We're testing the water to see how people like the feature. If it's an overwhelming lovefest then we might extend the functionality to other page types.

Did I mention that the code wasn't finished yet? I was actually doing serious development on it as late as this evening. I'm sure it will be slightly buggy in IE6. Everything is. :) But we'll work on it and fix issues as we can solve them.

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* that collections code just really wants to get out in the wild. It's hard to contain it.

new stuff is awfully fun! i knew there was a reason i was still up this late.

Count me in with the "lovefest" crowd. Nice!

Nice feature. Love it!

The divot isn't arrow-shaped on my screen. It's also so small as to be easily mistaken for a scrap of dirt. XP/FF3.0.8.

v

p.s. but otherwise, the ability to customise the page is a joy. Thank you.

v

Looks great.

p.p.s. The horizonal arrows, when sections are minimised, look like arrows OK so it's only the one pointing down that has the pixilation or whatever you call it wrong. They could all be bigger though (I see fine but am always aware of those who don't).

Edit: Consider the above struck out (I don't speak HTML). In fact what is happening is that the arrows for Members and Reviews don't look like arrows, the rest are fine.

Looks a bit "bulky" in FF 2.0. The "Your Library" section has nice rounded corners (if the particular book is in my library), but non of the other sections has this.

The divot isn't arrow-shaped on my screen. It's also so small as to be easily mistaken for a scrap of dirt. XP/FF3.0.8.

Same set up for me... and although I have no problems seeing them, I can see how others may not notice them.

And thank you... its great being to put all the features you use/love most up the top, and minimise the ones you only use on occasion. Keeps it all nice and tidy :)

Slight gripe: can you set it so the drag & drop only works when you click+drag the section headings and not _within_ each section? This is how panel rearrangement works on many other sites (igoogle, backpack etc.).

I habitually click+highlight text as I go as a visual cue to where I am, particularly when reading a long passage. Suddenly, I find that doing this shifts the whole section around and I keep losing my place.

11: Yes. I can do that. It is happening by error.

I can't select text in reviews anymore (so I can copy and paste it). Still FF 2.0 (Linux).

13: Same problem mentioned in 11. It's an error that I'll work on after some sleep.

Update: fixed it. It was easier than I thought.

I'll work on the arrows when I return.

Nice features. Thanks.

Seems to work, but does nothing for me. Sorry, don't really see the point, the work page was fine as it was.

I will say the cursor always being the move icon when you move it over the bars is annoying.

Like it.

One request: I keep the reviews quite high, but hidden. It would be nice to see the number of reviews on the bar, so that I know whether to un-hide, or not.

ooh - spiffiness. And I can hide open shelves until something changes again. :)

And move up CK when I'm working on it.

This. Is. WONDERFUL. /Wonderful/.

I have been wishing for a long time that I didn't have to scroll alllll the way to the bottom for a description, and I don't care that much about who owns most books - but I could see how others might. This is such a fantastic feature, because it lets us all get our own way!

You've just upped the friendly usability of LT a /ton/ with this single change. Thank you!

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I'm sure it will be slightly buggy in IE6.

More than slightly! It doesn't work at all in IE6. I click the arrow and nothing happens. And there is no "drag-and-drop".

The cursor does change, but it seems rather pointless.

Works great for me (FF) and I really like being able to move and hide sections.

Another fun toy! Thanks!

I love it!

Now I mostly just need to scroll to see the ratings graph ... but I do that very very often and wish I could reposition it above Popular Covers and for sure above Buy Borrow or Swap.

Yay, recommendations are back! :)

I can't say it is not buggy, but when I use IE6 with XP it "seems" to work.

I can drag & drop
- Is there way to get back to the default ordering?

I can minimize/maximize sections.
- Shouldn't the divot rotate to show if the section is open or closed (yes, I know it is pretty obvious, but ... I expected it to change)
- The Members and Common Knowledge sections "divot" changes to an open square at some point. (I can probably figure out how to reproduce this if you really want.) But it still works.

Tag section is hard to decipher if there aren't many tags. I use some two and three word tags. It is hard to figure out the parsing if there is only a space between the all the words. (I need to check on my Mac at home to see if this happens on a different browser/operating system)

That's all for now... I have to get back to my real job.

Alicia V.

If it's an overwhelming lovefest then we might extend the functionality to other page types.

Consider me in the skeptical camp. My worry is that members customize it so much that, going forward, we can't improve things. For example, a number of members have removed stuff from their home page for one reason or another. Now if we want to improve the feature, they'll never see it. Customization also raises maintenance issues. Need coffee.

Too clever for its own good. A simple robust system is better than an elaborate one that only works on one and a half browsers. I'm using Konqueror, and reviews no longer show at all. (The triangles neither show nor hide sections and dragging doesn't work, but I can do without those features).

Agreeing with Tim on #26...not everything needs to be personalized, and this site is already supremely customizable.
But I love the functionality on the works pages, which had gotten so long that I almost never scrolled down to the bottom of them.
Thanks, cD.

I love it. One small display issue, at least in Firefox. If there's only one book description, the "(retrieved from Amazon Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:19:44 -0400)" line is being partially covered by the bar below it. For example:

http://www.librarything.com/work/book/42542638

Doesn't seem to happen if there are multiple book descriptions.

Ooh, nice.

Re message 26, I have indeed removed a bunch of stuff from my home page, but if you announce an improvement that is of interest then I'll take a look. I like being able to hide clutter, temporarily or permanently.

Re message 17, agree. In general it'd be useful to know whether a section has anything in it before expanding.

I like being able to minimize things.

I hope the rounded corners come back.

Moving things around isn't that important to me, especially now that we can just reduce the sections we're not interested in. Also, there's not quite enough flexibility to make it worthwhile. For example, I'd like to move ratings into the middle column, though only because it currently looks squished on the right and no one cares enough to fix it. And I'd like the ability to hide individual CK sections; character lists are completely useless to me. I'd also like an option to show only CK fields that contain data.

So, there is some customization that I'd like, but this isn't quite it.

>17 Noisy:, 30 just a note -- the number of member reviews is indicated at the top of the page (below author name) and along the left panel.

Speaking of -- to keep things consistent, shouldn't the "Book Reviews" section be titled "Member Reviews"?

>20 lilithcat:

Right at the moment, I'm using IE6 on WinXP. The basic functionality works as advertised. Sometimes it takes a couple of tries for the drag-and-drop to actually move the section, but I can live with that.

Count me as part of the lovefest, but I completely understand Tim's concerns in >26 timspalding:. If this feature is going to interfere with future improvement possibilities, then it's not worth it.

I'm in the lovefest camp, because I love customizability.

I'd like to suggest that if you want to minimize the tweaking, you can just have one page (the "main page") that allows us to add, drop, arrange various sections; and then you have a well-organized set of links on the left that is itself inalterable and each opens up a sub-page that is inalterable. So users can effectively design a view for their book page that includes the things they find most useful, but the core LT functionality is always readily available and stable.

In the tweaks: OS 10.5; safari 3.2.1; firefox 3.0.8 - My divots don't rotate. Are they supposed to? They mostly point downwards but I could have sworn I saw a couple pointing sideways at one point. I would think (based on other sites' usage of divots) that pointing sideways would mean it is currently collapsed (and could be expanded by clicking on it), and pointing down would mean it is currently expanded (and could be collapsed by clicking on it).

On firefox 3.0.8 I'm noticing that the divots don't rotate when you click them, but they are in the correct orientation when you first enter the page.

I like it. A lot.

I like being able to place items in the order I normally check them. By collapsing items that I don't use every time, I can find things quickly with minimal scrolling. Everything is still readily available, with the headings visible, but I don't have to search through clutter to find my information.

Love it. It's like the game pages on BoardGameGeek (my other internet cataloging addiction.) The only feature that has that this doesn't is the ability to flag certain sections to be minimized by default. So for example, if I wanted CK up at the top for easy editing access, but didn't want to look at it all the time.

Regardless, big thumbs up here.

Oooh, it's wonderful!

It would be nice if (some day when you're not as busy as you are now) it associated our changes with out accounts rather than with our computers so that the rearranging is permanent, like the home page.

39> I hadn't realized that was the case. Yeah, account-based would be much preferred.

Also, in IE7, the arrows don't seem to change orientation.

I do really like this feature and think it improves the UI a great deal. I'm considering leaving everything collapsed in general and just opening what I want to look at when I want to see it. I agree with Zoe that now that we have this I'd like to see it applied to CK sections as well. I really hope it doesn't cost to much to maintain.

I love it.

Tim, I think your concern is valid in general, but in this specific case the headers are still there -- I can still see there's a section for "Member Descriptions" even if it's minimized -- so I don't think the same issues apply that would if users could make sections go away entirely.

Count me as another person who loves this feature. I like jjwilson61's idea in 41, so I think I'll try that.

Two things:

1. Since the sections are collapsed, not hidden, it would seem that new features would be visible - somewhere on the page - when they're rolled out? That might alleviate some of the worry about users not seeing new features. Also, as others have said, do a big announcement when new features come out - I think a lot of people will try them.

2. I know it's been mentioned, but it seems the divot should change direction (to > ) when a section is collapsed. (I'm on XP/FF3.0.8).

I love it.

Tim, I think your concern is valid in general, but in this specific case the headers are still there -- I can still see there's a section for "Member Descriptions" even if it's minimized -- so I don't think the same issues apply that would if users could make sections go away entirely.

Right at the moment, I'm using IE6 on WinXP. The basic functionality works as advertised.

I can't say it is not buggy, but when I use IE6 with XP it "seems" to work.

That's very odd, because I, too, am on IE6 with XP (Professional) and it doesn't work at all. When I click on the divot/arrow, I get "error on page". And I cannot drag&drop no matter how many times I try.

I added a couple of items to Common Knowledge (which I had moved "up" on the page). The drop down boxes appeared down below where Common Knowledge used to be on the page. I'm running Windows XP and Firefox 3.0.8. Other than that, everything seems to be working correctly.

>45 lilithcat:

I'm on IE6 with XP (Professional) also.

I can drag and drop (although sometimes the four-headed arrow only shows up towards the ends of the header bars) and the divots seem to work fine (except for the very first time I clicked on one of them).

I like it!

Another IE6/WinXP setup here. I can only drag-and-drop if the cursor is right on the title of the bar; took me a while to find that.

When the section is minimized, the divot becomes an almost invisible square; I agree with the others above that the expected behavior is for it to rotate (remaining a triangle) - there's a reason many people call them a "twisty"!

The divot issues popped up right near the end of my 20 hour programming marathon as I was trying to fix them in IE and ended up breaking them for all browsers. Since it's just a visual bug and not a functional one I deferred to sleep.

So we have, at last count, I think, two dissenters. Unfortunately one of them pays my paychecks. :)

I'm glad that most of you like the basic functionality because I love being able to only see the stuff that I'm interested in on work pages.

So work pages will no longer show the 'book card' author name at the top when viewing the information from within your library? If so then I'm off to do some floating.

Oh. I also must say that this is a midterm change to the work pages. There's another big change coming to the top of the pages that is more intertwined with collections so I held it back last night. Maybe I can get that untwisted and release it for early testing before collections too.

The more stuff that we can release out of collections then the less that can go wrong when we finally release the whole thing.

cD: my divots are of the minuscule "dust speck" variety. Did I see above, that you could fix this? I'm running on Windows XP and FireFox, if that helps.

Yeah. The divots are merely a visual bug so I decided to get some sleep and work on them today. They're especially bad in IE because, well, IE sucks. It doesn't have full Unicode support and the divots are Unicode characters...so I'm having to use different characters just for IE. It's loads of fun.

When I move the headers around they don't stick but end up in all sorts of places I didn't put them. I'm having to move stuff around, refresh the page, find out where the stuff went, move it around again, refresh the page, and so on.

(XP, IE7)

It also occurs to me that if Tim is concerned about upgrades / changes to minimized/hidden sections never being noticed, then when a change to that section is made, un-minimize/un-hide that section for everyone. With a bright yellow "changed" banner so people know why. It's only a simple click to put it back the way it is, and you know they've seen it and rendered judgment.

#53 - Chris, your health is more important than my dust specks. Don't worry about it. I only mention it so that you know the extent, and which systems seem to be affected.

I'm considering leaving everything collapsed in general and just opening what I want to look at when I want to see it.

Ugh.

In general, Chris has about 24 hours on this thing. If the problems don't go away, we turn it off entirely or at least for one browser. I think this is a neat feature, and maybe if it were solid we could spread it to other pages, but I sure don't want to do this if it delays anything. Chris agrees.

So here's the deal.
IE just won't handle the drag and drop stuff well. Because of this I'm disabling the section ordering feature for IE. Hate me if you want but it's a time drag on moving forward and I had to make a call.

You can still show/hide sections but you just won't be able to reorder them in IE. You'll get the default order that we set.

Standards-based browsers such as Firefox and Safari will have full functionality for now.

You mean IE6, right? IE7 seems to work just fine.

If I successfully made changes, will they stay, or will it revert to the default?

I'm considering leaving everything collapsed in general and just opening what I want to look at when I want to see it.

I, too, did that this morning ... I'm a minimalist and a neat-and-tidy sort. But now the page seems so quiet ... it looks like a dresser with all the drawers closed; like a bookcase covered by doors. I'm used to feeling energized when I access that page and think I need to expand some sections and create a little visual interest.

et fix typo

For what it is worth, Chrome is handling all this beautifully.

i actually just switched from ie6 to firefox EXPLICITLY so as not to lose cool new features. you guys have made me into a features whore... my mother is going to be so disappointed.

YAY new stuff!

Am I blind? I abandoned IE6. I looked all over FF2.0 and see nothing different. Would someone please point me in the direction of what everyone is looking at? Thanks.

>squeakychu

click on any book that you have in your library. on that main works page you should see all new features. you should be able to minimize fields and move them around. ff 3.0 is showing them all, so i would imagine 2.0 should too.

Hallelujah! At least I now know that everyone else here is not hallucinating. :)

Thanks, atlargeinthewrld.

ETA: Now that I've found it, all of the features are functional - even moving the location of the headers on IE6 (as well as FF 2).

you can drag sections to rearrange them

eeeeeee! I love this so much! I can put CK up where I can see it without scrolling! I can put reviews at the bottom where the widely varying lengths doesn't matter as much! eeeeeeeeee!

You can put me in the overwhelming lovefest camp.

I think that making the divets work right on IE6 can definitely wait, possibly forever. It just seems that with all that's been said about IE6 that it isn't worth the time to make it look nice. Functionality sure, but not looks.

>68 jjwilson61:

I agree. If the problem is clean-cut IE6/not-IE6, I vote we ditch holding anything up and remove the feature for IE6. We can revisit this later, but it's not worth holding up collections—even for people with IE6, I think.

Note: I moved this from the "Site Talk" to "New Features" group. It belongs there.

It would be nice if (some day when you're not as busy as you are now) it associated our changes with out accounts rather than with our computers so that the rearranging is permanent, like the home page.

Oh, I hadn't realized that this was the case. I think I'd rather not have the feature at all, now. Multiple people on one computer moving things around for everyone else will just result in confusion, so at best we'll have to ignore the feature, which means it's a waste of developer time.

It would be nice if (some day when you're not as busy as you are now) it associated our changes with out accounts rather than with our computers so that the rearranging is permanent, like the home page.

We're planning to do that. I see your point—although there are more computers used by one person for two accounts than the reverse.

Why do people have two accounts? I'd think that would be significantly reduced with Collections.

I love this, an have been testing it out a tad, but I have to re-ask what someone asked earlier that I didn't see answered: Is there (sooner or later) going to be an option to return the work page to the default order? I've moved stuff around so much already that I'm *already* having a hard time remembering where they originally went. An option to go back to the default would be wonderful.

(and just so you know, you just HAD to push this when I've been in bed sick all day, didn't you? Gah! :P )

edit: And the "numbers" button on the tags part? Awesome!

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Agreed.

An option to go back to the default would be wonderful

Right. Agreed.

The sort order is stored in your "LTUnifiedCookie", which you can see at the test cookies page. See the "w:order" section is a comma separated list of numbers representing the sections and their order.

An option to reset to default is definitely preferable, but if it's driving you mad - in the interim, you can clear your cookies (or just the "LTUnifiedCookie") for LT and it will go back to the default order. There are ways to edit cookies, but... that might be getting a bit extreme :p

I have three accounts actually. None of which would change with Collections.

One, for instance, is for the church library, which is in no way associated with my library.

Lots of fun! Thank you cD!

>71 timspalding: Surely there are more people who use LibraryThing on more than one computer? Such as me :)

And yeah, I don't think it's obvious enough that you can click those divets to make sections collapse/expand. I opened a work page and at first I didn't know what I was supposed to do until I properly read >1 conceptDawg:.

Count me in the lovefest. I love the new work page! And I actually prefer the square corners to the round corners, not that there was anything wrong with the round corners. The square ones just look much nicer.

I am happy with the change, very happy. It's close enough to never seeing reviews and such that I never use that I won't be repeating that request.
I no longer have to worry about trying to edit CK only to have it disappear off the bottom of the page because reviews have arrived.

Thank You very much.

Home now, and it's lovely on OSX/FF.

Pity it's non-existent on IE6, but I'm used to that by now. I just assume that I can't do much on LT when I'm where I have to use that.

I'm sure it will be slightly buggy in IE6. Everything is. :)

I'm on IE6 with XP.

I can minimize/expand and move the sections around just fine. The only wonkiness I see is that
#1. I have some divits (downward facing arrows) and some little squares - they don't change if the section is minimized or not.
#2. The filled in "title bar" doesn't extend all the way to the right hand side of the (column? frame? section?) - this occurs when the section is minimized. When the section is expanded it fills in -
--2.a.) if there are buttons - i.e. for tags the buttons are "numbers" and "show all" - the filled in part of the bar just overlaps the buttons. These buttons don't disappear when minimized (which they probably should). -- this "filling in" issue resolved on repeated clicking (Or you are fixing it as I type...)

If someone had asked me about this feature, I would have said "Meh". In fact I am generally against customization for all the reasons that Tim mentioned. But having tried it, it's great. This is going to help so much in doing CK and author splitting which are two of my main activities on LT.

One for the lovefest.

eta: Oh and the tag numbers are terrific. They are new, right?

I think part of the point is that, once we have the structure, we can use it on many pages. Again, I am of two minds there. Some pages I want to dictate, dammit. What use is all the power I have if I can't make people see things my way!

The "Your library" bar is still rounded after everything else is cornered.

I think that's intentional. We're thinking of color changes, though.

83: I am soooooo quoting you there!! lol

I really do love this. I usually don't mess with customization simply because it confuses me (I'm confuzed easily :P ), but I love the ability to see reviews and summaries easier!

Thank you Tim and LT team, this is a great feature.
Whilst you are thinking of changing colours, what about the logo?
I know everything is "beta" at some stage but surely it's time to dispense with beta in the LT logo... 3 years on

87: I kinda like the "beta" concept. They've said that it's in "perpetual beta" because it's always changing and growing, and that's a cool idea.

Yeah - I'd say that the eve of the release of one of the most comprehensive re-designs the site has had is hardly the time to lose the "beta"!

Yeah - I'd say that the eve of the release of one of the most comprehensive re-designs the site has had is hardly the time to lose the "beta"!

I'll kill it the next time I touch it. I endorse "perpetual beta" but I think the term is worn out—not unlike "this website is under construction."

#90 So true about "this website is under construction"
One could say that a website that is not constantly under construction, re-construction or in perpetual beta, might as well be a printed book! :)

This is great! I love being able to collapse and re-order the sections.

31, 41> Being able to hide CK sections would be fantastic.

Being able to hide CK sections isn't going to come anytime soon. Sorry about that. It's just so far down the list of things to be looked at that it doesn't even register. :(

New work page features seems to be nice but an old bug is still there:

http://pl.librarything.com/topic/57400

Now it's even worse as the wrapped labels are hidden by the heading of the next section and the link to check if I will like it is almost completely hidden:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/ping_ling/LT/LT-will-you-like-it.jpg

Pingling's link in a more convenient form: <a href="/topic/57400">Pingling's link</a>

93> Well, that's fine. That'll just be extra icing on the cake. :)

90: Any chance of getting "What's on your Bookshelf?" back?

I'm on 1024 x 768 and I now get a horizontal scroll-bar: the right-hand column spills over the edge.

Happens in FF and IE but is particularly pronounced in the latter, where there is about 430px of whitespace off-page on the right.

#98: Rynooo
I find that I need a window width of at least 1055px to get rid of the horizontal scroll bar in work main pages. (FF 2)

I hopped on the lovefest wagon....this is WONDERFUL!

I'm using FF3 in Vista and have NO problems. Even the davits, arrows -whatever you want to call them--work correctly. They point right when the section is rolled up, and point down when they're open. Thanks so much for helping make this an easier page to read.

I like this, though I confess I rarely go to the work pages at this point. I'm mostly on the edit page entering information on my own books. I have two things to mention here, and keep in mind I'm pretty illiterate on computer terminology and usage.

1. When I clicked on the button "show all" for tags (because I can't help myself from clicking on buttons and trying everything), it showed them all, but now I can't get it to go back and I really didn't want to see them all all the time, I just wanted to know what happened when I clicked the button.

2. I moved the "book description" bar up the page, which is what I wanted to do, and it worked, but now it has that faded look to it and doesn't look as bold and vigorous as the other bars, especially the letters in it. Did I wear them out with the big move?

ETA: I'm on Vista Firefox, but I'm not sure which one and I don't know how to tell.

MRSLEE! You BROKE it!

:P

Using Chrome in Vista and it works fine.
Excellent feature!

94: Yeah. I didn't touch the Will I Like it code at all. We'll clean that up as soon as we can.

98: I think that I can probably get that space back. There is (going) to be a reason for the extra space needed in the middle column (when "other" new features arrive) , but I think I have a workaround.

100: The size of tags has not changed at all.

102: The display of "All tags" isn't permanent, just for that page you are on at the time.

Customizability is what we're all after. So, the arrow and the drag-'m-around thingies are a step in the right direction.

Same as 107 here. (FF3, Vista.) I can move the sections around but it doesn't remember the order for the next work page I visit. It does however remember which ones were expanded/hidden.

It's a pretty nice feature, even without the ability to re-order the sections. Collapsing the "members" section means I no longer need to scroll to see the tag cloud. Lovely stuff.

I can no longer drag the sections at all. The crossbar cursor appears, but nothing happens. The sections I collapsed remain collapsed, but they have all reverted to their default locations. It worked fine yesterday.

Vista, IE7

I'm in the lovefest crowd. Bring on the new summer of love!

A fiddly point, perhaps, but it appears to me that the 'drop' part of 'drag and drop' is a little non standard. 'Mouse down' then moving the section header enough to register a new position initiates a drag. Once in position though, 'mouse up' doesn't drop the header in the new position. It requires a separate click to drop, and doing that click slowly, it appears that it is the second 'mouse up' event that executes the drop.

FF3/Vista

110: I've disabled dragging/ordering in all flavors of IE for now. I need to do some testing to make sure all is well in IE7 and 8 before enabling the feature.

111: No, it should just be mouse-down, drag, mouse-up to do the drag and drop. I'll have to test on your setup to try and reproduce what you have.

Yay for virtual machines!

How about doing the same thing as on the home page—the reorder thing...

Play nice now boys.

cD for your further info -
FF 3.0.8 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)

Vista Home Premium SP1

eta: I get standard drag and drop on the "re-configure home page" light box, if that helps.

My work page customisation is not saving between sessions. Since when I close Firefox I am always logged out of LT (I've never understood whyk), this is really annoying.

v (XP/FF3.0.8)

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Have you set Firefox to clear private data (including cookies) on exit?

No. There are plenty of other websites that I use daily where I stay logged in. I've never got to the bottom of it.

Regardless, I don't think work page defaults should be resetting.

v

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Ok, it could be that your LT cookies are corrupt then, you could try deleting them at the test cookies page, and see if that makes any difference when you close and re-open Firefox. The order of the work page items is stored in your cookies from what I've seen, so if there's a problem there - then you will have trouble with various settings defaulting and getting logged out.

Been there, done that, makes no difference. Sorry - I'm not trying to be difficult. That's just how it is. I've never had problems with defaults undoing (apart from always having to log in when opening my browser) until this group page change. For example home page customisation is fine - perhaps because it is achieved by a different method.

v

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No worries, I volunteer over on Firefox support so I sometimes slip into that mode when I see a problem :)

Well if you have any more ideas while in 'mode', I'm all ears :)

v

There's an incorrect CSS property and value used in the following 'snippets' code:

style="font-size:115%;font-face:\'Arial Unicode MS\', Arial, san-serif;"

There should be "font-family" instead of "font-face" (there's no such a CSS property) and "sans-serif" instead of "san-serif" :)

Sure enough. Late night coding there. Fingers faster than brain at that point.

You should use sprites ;)

Tim's inside joke aside, this is a case where sprites are definitely not the answer. Sprites won't take on the color or other styles of the text or be sized to the text around them, etc.

Re: 107, 119.

I am still seeing this behaviour, but it's actually got a little worse.

FF3, Vista.

I can drag one section header, let go of the mouse, then click again to drop it. It settles into its new home (still lighter in colour). At this point all of the other headings ignore me entirely if I try to drag and drop them. (The other day I could reorder several in a row, I'm almost positive!)

Either way, the change in position of the header I've moved (one or many) is not saved.

(It does still remember which sections are expanded or closed though.)

I'm experiencing the same behavior as 127.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009033100 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.8

I'm looking into the Vista/FF3 bug. I haven't had a chance to check it out until now.

The link to Google books is gone. It disappeared when the new Work page debuted, but appeared again for a day or two. Since yesterday, it's gone again.

This is minor, but a (show more) label hovers in the middle of the text in a members list, if the list is long enough. The list continues beyond the label instead of cutting off.

FF 2.0.0.20 on 10.3.9

Yeah, it's coming back soon, with friends.

131: Hm. That must be an old bug because that's in code that was untouched by the recent changes. But I'll put it on the list. I think.

I miss Google books. Went to use it several times yesterday, but it wasn't there!

:(

It's all got messier for me too: drag & drop is behaving oddly - you have to click to drop instead of just letting go of the mouse button. Divots I'm sure were changing direction at one point - no longer doing so and also the improved arrow shape seems to have reverted back to something funny. Still the same problem of nothing saving between sessions so I don't get anything out of this great feature :(

v (FF3.0.8/XP)

As mentioned above. FF3 on Windows is having some issues with the code. I'm pretty sure I can track the problem down but just haven't been able to do it quite yet. Juggling a few things here.

136 was intended as a report rather than a nag :)

v

Sorry if someone already covered this.

First. Thanks for adding this feature, there are many sections that I don't use and now I can hide them.

Second, can you make it so the the arrow points to the right when the section is hidden and points down when it is showing. This would follow what seems to be a possible standard across sites and programs.

Third, please add it to all of the other areas when you can.

Again, thanks for adding this feature.

The second is the way it was intended to work and actually did work for a while, but they are still killing bugs. Have patience.

139: Actually, that is fixed. Just haven't pushed the fixes to the live server quite yet. Probably a little later today or tonight..

140>

Patience! I don't need no patience.

Oh, wait a minute, I just found it.

grin

(the above was written to be funny, but it's hard to write an accent)

Badges?! I don't need no stinking BADGES!

But you have seven of them on your profile?

He's above badges.

Also CSS books.

(Yes, I managed to get that dig in.)

Well the character DID die in that scene in Treasure of the Sierra Madre so I guess that does not bode well for me.

He's above badges.

Also CSS books.

coming from a man who designed a database using text strings as a primary key...

Wait, I need a user backing me up!

I have no idea what's going on, but I'm sure that Tim was right all along.

143>

Bummer, I forgot the stinking part of it.

But at least you got the reference. most people I know just give me a funny look when I use these really bad movie lines.

So in closing.

"Don't know!
Mongo only pawn in game of life."

So one more small thing to fix - string "ltbtn-button-float-right" ends up in a "style" property instead of being appended to a "class". Example:

<a class="ltbtn-button ltbtn-button-base unselectable ltbtn-inline-block ltbtn-button-tight scour-disabled viewer-buttons ltbtn-size-mini " href="/work/25501/members/36986350" style="ltbtn-button-float-right">

Yep..working on all of that tonight...prior to a big new feature push tonight (not collections....but very very close to them).

The work page stuff is great (arrows), haven't tried the dragging thing yet. No idea if you've done this but when I sign out the arrows go back to expanded. They don't stay collapsed like some sites do even when signed out. So I have to redo it again...

Hm. ok. I'll check on that. They should be staying.

Hm. ok. I'll check on that. They should be staying.

*whistles innocently* I see something that's just been puuuushed.... *sing-song voice*

*pokes catalogue pages experimentally*

*because there isn't an official thread for it yet*

Just tried the dragging, wow, very cool! If you can get these things to stick even when signed out and there are no cookies... that would be amazing.

Wow! Drag-n-Drop drops on mouse up in FF3/Vista. Position stays locked from work to work!

Catalog page looks great, some buttons (eg Styles) line up like drunken sailors on parade, but I'm sure that's just tweaking.

It's going to be a fun weekend!

Go to http://www.librarything.com/topic/62605 and other thread, please.

Yeah, just found them - sorry.

Well, consider that a warning! :)

Thanks for fixing the FF3 drag and drop. It's shiny. :)

Did the ability to post reviews from the "member reviews" link on the left-hand side of a work page just appear in the last couple of days??? It makes me SO HAPPY. That plus the no jumpy mouseover thing are just making my morning.

I'll wait until Collections are released and debugged before poking the home page modules thread with a stick ;)

Here's a little bug on the new new work page:

The header on the "members" module is twice as tall as it should be, with the header text ("> members") in the lower-left corner, and the "all members" button in the upper-right.

Vista/IE7

165: Yes, that debuted last night when we pushed the new catalog features.

166: I'll check on that.

For some reason the 'numbers' button on the tags bar is now on the left of the Tags title and arrow.

FF3.0.8/XP

(edit: and the view history button doesn't look right either)

"Show all" is also on the left of the Tags title.

And it would be better if clicking on those buttons didn't make the page jump back to the top.

My work page settings are still not saving between sessions. Any possibility of this being fixed? Otherwise I just have to forget about customisation of the work page.

v

ETA: I'm wondering if they did save for a while and then have reverted back to their old ways at some point.