
Gregory Orr
Author of Poetry as Survival
About the Author
Gregory Orr has written twelve poetry collections, a memoir, and several books of criticism, most recently A Primer for Poets and Readers of Poetry. The recipient of an Award in Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters as well as fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and the show more National Endowment for the Arts, Orr lives in Charlottesville, Virginia. show less
Series
Works by Gregory Orr
Richer Entanglements: Essays and Notes on Poetry and Poems (Poets on Poetry) (1994) 16 copies, 1 review
Cloned: The Recreator Chronicles [2012 film] — Director — 2 copies
Associated Works
The Poets' Grimm: 20th Century Poems from Grimm Fairy Tales (2003) — Contributor — 70 copies, 1 review
Family Resemblance: An Anthology and Exploration of 8 Hybrid Literary Genres (2015) — Contributor — 25 copies
Writers On The Edge: 22 Writers Speak About Addiction and Dependency (Reflections of America) (2012) — Contributor — 21 copies, 12 reviews
Antaeus No. 23, Autumn 1976 — Contributor — 1 copy
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Common Knowledge
- Canonical name
- Orr, Gregory
- Birthdate
- 1947
- Gender
- male
- Awards and honors
- American Academy of Arts and Letters Academy Award (Literature, 2003)
- Short biography
- He teaches at the University of Virginia, where he founded the MFA program in writing in 1975, and served from 1978 to 2003 as Poetry Editor of the Virginia Quarterly Review. He lives with his wife, the painter Trisha Orr, and their two daughters in Charlottesville, Virginia.
- Nationality
- VS
- Birthplace
- Albany, New York, VS
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Reviews
This is Gregory Orr's painful memoir of not only the terrible moment when he shot his brother to death in a hunting accident, but the uncharacteristic way he and his family, tight lipped and stoic, dealt with the pain. Only one week after the tragedy the Orr children were back in school as if nothing happened. Gregory was in the seventh grade at this point. When Orr's father uprooted the family and took them to Haiti, Gregory, as an adult, is able to look back at the episode and as delve show more briefly into Haiti's turbulent political history and conflicting cultures (a mention of Castro and Papa Doc Duvalier) as a perfect comparison to his own family's unsettled time. It is unbelievable, but even more tragedy followed the Orr family after arriving in Haiti. Once in full adulthood, Orr tries to make sense of his past and his responses to all of its shocking heartache. For example - when his mother died, none of her children were invited to the funeral. Father, a man Gregory once worshiped and wanted all to himself, is later described as having "not a nurturing bone in his body." What father gives bottles of amphetamines as going away presents to his son while he carrying on a relationship with a girl barely older than Gregory? All of this sounds like a book unbearable to read. It is not. In the end, Gregory is able to find his way through the maze of mixed emotions and come out with the determination to become an accomplished poet. show less
This collection of poetry grew on my through the 200 pages. For the first quarter of them, I was not able to accept the collection as polished. It felt raw and gritty, and then I realized that was exactly what life feels like in the midst of grief. There is still beauty, but it is more difficult to see through tears than it is when the sun is bright.
I don’t know whether this is a good book or not. I know only how good it was for me.
I have suffered from depression—not just despondency but real depression—only once in my life and that (thank God!) for only a few months. Unconsciously, I think I sensed the condition coming on. I think that, unconsciously, I may have communicated this to a former student. Immediately, she recommended this book; in fact, I think she express-mailed me a copy. She had studied with the author in her show more master’s program in creative writing. I tried reading the book, but the words weren’t coming through: I skipped around in the text, I omitted whole passages, I forgot what I had already read. Shortly, I had slipped deeper into clinical depression, but of course I refused to admit it to myself. Somehow adrenalin took me through a day’s work, albeit half-heartedly, but on the way home, in five o’clock traffic, I found myself weeping without knowing why, missing a turn and heading off into the sunset before I realized I was off track.
The book was Poetry as Survival by Gregory Orr (U of Georgia P, 2002). Somehow some of its words penetrated to the depths of my mind, to the self that had given itself over to disarray. Almost immediately, I resolved to write a poem each day: no matter how I felt, no matter how meaningless to anyone else the poems might be. Before bedtime each day I would pen a few lines. I began on January 16. The depression had cleared up by April, but I continued with my resolution: a poem every day for 365 days. When the next January 16 approached, I actually experienced something like separation anxiety. I think I may have written as many as four or five poems on that day. Now, I don’t want to make any false claims for poetry writing; Zoloft was probably what did the trick. The depression apparently had been brought on as a side effect from other medication I was taking. As soon as I brought myself to tell my physician what I was experiencing, he understood and took immediate, effective steps. But I shall always believe that, though “a poem a day” did not keep the doctor away, it kept me going until the doctor was summoned.
When I go back to the book now (which I find myself reluctant to do for some reason), I find it rather simple, its advice to writers maybe somewhat conventional, its psychology not unlike pop-psychology in best-sellers, its prose sometimes repetitious and undistinguished. What stands out are the poems the author uses as examples and models, his succinct comments on these poems, and his unerring confidence in the value of the personal lyric. I suspect it was these three elements in conjunction with one another, especially the third, as well as my own previous devotion to writing that spoke to me when I could not speak for myself.
Orr delivers his message clearly and concisely from his introduction on:
“Human culture ‘invented’ or evolved the personal lyric as a means of helping individuals [writers and their readers] survive the existential crises . . . . This survival begins when we ‘translate’ our crisis into language—where we give it symbolic expression as an unfolding drama of self and the forces that assail it.”
How does this work? First, it distances us from the emotional crisis, giving it an objective form. Second, it orders the disorderly, in giving it poetic form and linguistic shape. Orr speaks from personal experience. When he was twelve years old he was responsible for a hunting accident that resulted in the death of his brother. Of course, he was “horrified and traumatized” by the event. For four years he lived with no hope at all, thinking of himself as Cain in the book of Genesis. Then, a librarian, teaching a small honors English class, introduced him to poetry writing. His first poem was a simple escapist fantasy, but “it liberated the enormous energy of my despair and oppression as nothing before had ever done. [He] felt simultaneously revealed to [himself] and freed of [his] self by the images and actions of the poem.”
Orr’s “spectrum of disclosure” proceeds out of silence (shame, fear or guilt) to the blurted disclosure of speech, to personal writing as in a diary or journal to shaped narrative or memoir, and finally all the way to poetry. Once again he explains the place of poetry in this mode of healing:
“. . . the autobiographical material of the personal lyric has undergone the extreme and complex linguistic and imaginative patterning that is the hallmark of all poetries. The patterning necessitates, among other things, careful attention to accurate and economical word choice, to the expressive possibilities of rhythm, to the dramatic unfolding of story, and to the descriptive vividness and symbolic power of details.”
His chief ingredients: diction, rhythms, story, and details. The chief qualities he identifies as “poetic”: economy, expressiveness, drama, and imagery (or symbolism). By story, or drama, I think he means not a plotted narrative but a narrative moment, what James Joyce called an epiphanic moment. The conflict and most of the events are implicit and undeveloped, only the moment of insight.
However, looking back on my first experience with Orr’s book, I now think it was his chapter called “The Powers of Poetry” that stimulated my subconscious most forcefully. The subheadings speak for themselves: saying the unsayable: the power of story; expressing the inexpressible: the power of symbol; and (perhaps most important of all) bearing the unbearable: the power of incantation. For what I wrote out of my depths would probably better be characterized as incantation than poetry. “Out of the plethora of the heart, the mouth speaketh.”
At the depth of my depression, on February 18, I wrote such an incantation. Curiously, I subtitled it “as survival,” obviously borrowing from Orr though unintentionally. The poem goes on and on, somewhat mindlessly. It begins,
February 18
as survival
I know this Ogre.
Faceless, nameless,
shapeless, shameless
though It may be,
I know this Ogre.
It grows and grows.
As I drive north on 13th St.,
the Ogre descends on me,
and grows and grows.
Now when I read Orr’s book, it is the second half that speaks to me more profoundly. Called “Trauma and Transformation,” it is a close, personal reading of several romantic poets: Blake, Wordsworth, Keats, Whitman, Dickinson, Wilfred Owen, Sylvia Plath, Stanley Kunitz, Theodore Roethke. He prefaces these readings with an historical headnote:
“Until the mid-eighteenth century, most lyric poets either emerged from or worked for the Overculture, expressing and dramatizing the values and attitude of the ruling elites. But in the mid-eighteenth century, as the Overculture began to change rapidly and chaotically, a number of poets ‘switched sides’ and began to speak from other points of view besides that of the ruling classes.”
Blake, for example, immortalized chimney sweeps, soldiers, orphans, young prostitutes, the urban oppressed in general. Through “transformative lyrics” these poets “became poet heroes by disclosing visionary possibilities that went far beyond their own private situations . . . .” You can almost match the poets he reads with the epithets he attaches to them: the ardor of the pursuer, the habit of dazzle, the haunted corridors, the horrors of war, the dangerous path. Orr concludes by recommending not only the writing of personal, or transformative, lyrics but the collecting of poems that speak to and for us in our version of the Native American “medicine pouch.” A good idea, one that I join him in recommending.
But in times of pressure, disappointment, or grief, I still revert to a poem a day: “as survival.” show less
I have suffered from depression—not just despondency but real depression—only once in my life and that (thank God!) for only a few months. Unconsciously, I think I sensed the condition coming on. I think that, unconsciously, I may have communicated this to a former student. Immediately, she recommended this book; in fact, I think she express-mailed me a copy. She had studied with the author in her show more master’s program in creative writing. I tried reading the book, but the words weren’t coming through: I skipped around in the text, I omitted whole passages, I forgot what I had already read. Shortly, I had slipped deeper into clinical depression, but of course I refused to admit it to myself. Somehow adrenalin took me through a day’s work, albeit half-heartedly, but on the way home, in five o’clock traffic, I found myself weeping without knowing why, missing a turn and heading off into the sunset before I realized I was off track.
The book was Poetry as Survival by Gregory Orr (U of Georgia P, 2002). Somehow some of its words penetrated to the depths of my mind, to the self that had given itself over to disarray. Almost immediately, I resolved to write a poem each day: no matter how I felt, no matter how meaningless to anyone else the poems might be. Before bedtime each day I would pen a few lines. I began on January 16. The depression had cleared up by April, but I continued with my resolution: a poem every day for 365 days. When the next January 16 approached, I actually experienced something like separation anxiety. I think I may have written as many as four or five poems on that day. Now, I don’t want to make any false claims for poetry writing; Zoloft was probably what did the trick. The depression apparently had been brought on as a side effect from other medication I was taking. As soon as I brought myself to tell my physician what I was experiencing, he understood and took immediate, effective steps. But I shall always believe that, though “a poem a day” did not keep the doctor away, it kept me going until the doctor was summoned.
When I go back to the book now (which I find myself reluctant to do for some reason), I find it rather simple, its advice to writers maybe somewhat conventional, its psychology not unlike pop-psychology in best-sellers, its prose sometimes repetitious and undistinguished. What stands out are the poems the author uses as examples and models, his succinct comments on these poems, and his unerring confidence in the value of the personal lyric. I suspect it was these three elements in conjunction with one another, especially the third, as well as my own previous devotion to writing that spoke to me when I could not speak for myself.
Orr delivers his message clearly and concisely from his introduction on:
“Human culture ‘invented’ or evolved the personal lyric as a means of helping individuals [writers and their readers] survive the existential crises . . . . This survival begins when we ‘translate’ our crisis into language—where we give it symbolic expression as an unfolding drama of self and the forces that assail it.”
How does this work? First, it distances us from the emotional crisis, giving it an objective form. Second, it orders the disorderly, in giving it poetic form and linguistic shape. Orr speaks from personal experience. When he was twelve years old he was responsible for a hunting accident that resulted in the death of his brother. Of course, he was “horrified and traumatized” by the event. For four years he lived with no hope at all, thinking of himself as Cain in the book of Genesis. Then, a librarian, teaching a small honors English class, introduced him to poetry writing. His first poem was a simple escapist fantasy, but “it liberated the enormous energy of my despair and oppression as nothing before had ever done. [He] felt simultaneously revealed to [himself] and freed of [his] self by the images and actions of the poem.”
Orr’s “spectrum of disclosure” proceeds out of silence (shame, fear or guilt) to the blurted disclosure of speech, to personal writing as in a diary or journal to shaped narrative or memoir, and finally all the way to poetry. Once again he explains the place of poetry in this mode of healing:
“. . . the autobiographical material of the personal lyric has undergone the extreme and complex linguistic and imaginative patterning that is the hallmark of all poetries. The patterning necessitates, among other things, careful attention to accurate and economical word choice, to the expressive possibilities of rhythm, to the dramatic unfolding of story, and to the descriptive vividness and symbolic power of details.”
His chief ingredients: diction, rhythms, story, and details. The chief qualities he identifies as “poetic”: economy, expressiveness, drama, and imagery (or symbolism). By story, or drama, I think he means not a plotted narrative but a narrative moment, what James Joyce called an epiphanic moment. The conflict and most of the events are implicit and undeveloped, only the moment of insight.
However, looking back on my first experience with Orr’s book, I now think it was his chapter called “The Powers of Poetry” that stimulated my subconscious most forcefully. The subheadings speak for themselves: saying the unsayable: the power of story; expressing the inexpressible: the power of symbol; and (perhaps most important of all) bearing the unbearable: the power of incantation. For what I wrote out of my depths would probably better be characterized as incantation than poetry. “Out of the plethora of the heart, the mouth speaketh.”
At the depth of my depression, on February 18, I wrote such an incantation. Curiously, I subtitled it “as survival,” obviously borrowing from Orr though unintentionally. The poem goes on and on, somewhat mindlessly. It begins,
February 18
as survival
I know this Ogre.
Faceless, nameless,
shapeless, shameless
though It may be,
I know this Ogre.
It grows and grows.
As I drive north on 13th St.,
the Ogre descends on me,
and grows and grows.
Now when I read Orr’s book, it is the second half that speaks to me more profoundly. Called “Trauma and Transformation,” it is a close, personal reading of several romantic poets: Blake, Wordsworth, Keats, Whitman, Dickinson, Wilfred Owen, Sylvia Plath, Stanley Kunitz, Theodore Roethke. He prefaces these readings with an historical headnote:
“Until the mid-eighteenth century, most lyric poets either emerged from or worked for the Overculture, expressing and dramatizing the values and attitude of the ruling elites. But in the mid-eighteenth century, as the Overculture began to change rapidly and chaotically, a number of poets ‘switched sides’ and began to speak from other points of view besides that of the ruling classes.”
Blake, for example, immortalized chimney sweeps, soldiers, orphans, young prostitutes, the urban oppressed in general. Through “transformative lyrics” these poets “became poet heroes by disclosing visionary possibilities that went far beyond their own private situations . . . .” You can almost match the poets he reads with the epithets he attaches to them: the ardor of the pursuer, the habit of dazzle, the haunted corridors, the horrors of war, the dangerous path. Orr concludes by recommending not only the writing of personal, or transformative, lyrics but the collecting of poems that speak to and for us in our version of the Native American “medicine pouch.” A good idea, one that I join him in recommending.
But in times of pressure, disappointment, or grief, I still revert to a poem a day: “as survival.” show less
“The heart of Orr’s poetry, now as ever, is the enigmatic image . . . mystical, carnal, reflective, wry.”—San Francisco Review
This book-length sequence of ecstatic, visionary lyrics recalls Rumi in its search for the beloved and its passionate belief in the healing qualities of art and beauty.
Concerning the Book that is the Body of the Beloved is an incantatory celebration of the “Book,” an imaginary and self-gathering anthology of all the lyrics—both poems and songs—ever show more written. Each poem highlights a distinct aspect of the human condition, and together the poems explore love, loss, restoration, the beauty of the world, the beauty of the beloved, and the mystery of poetry. The purpose and power of the Book is to help us live by reconnecting us to the world and to our emotional lives. show less
This book-length sequence of ecstatic, visionary lyrics recalls Rumi in its search for the beloved and its passionate belief in the healing qualities of art and beauty.
Concerning the Book that is the Body of the Beloved is an incantatory celebration of the “Book,” an imaginary and self-gathering anthology of all the lyrics—both poems and songs—ever show more written. Each poem highlights a distinct aspect of the human condition, and together the poems explore love, loss, restoration, the beauty of the world, the beauty of the beloved, and the mystery of poetry. The purpose and power of the Book is to help us live by reconnecting us to the world and to our emotional lives. show less
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