Woman BingoPUP

Our Woman BingoPUP bingo cards appear in message 49 on this thread. LShelby kindly made us 2 cards with different arrangements of topics. Here is the link:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/201420#5340675

Our wiki's link is:
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/2016_WomanBingoPUP

The explanations of the topics appear in message 52, with the link:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/201420#5340760

Thanks to all of you who suggested topics for squares:
Chrischi_HH
Dejah_Thomas
DeltaQueen50
electrice
LittleTaiko
lkernagh
majkia
MarthaJeanne
sallylou61
sturlington

Many thanks to LShelby for creating our Woman BingoPUP cards

Thanks to RidgewayGirl for arranging with LShelby for creating our BingoPUP cards.

Thanks to mathgirl40 for creating the skeleton of our wiki and showing me how I could complete it.

I will suggest a square.

I'll volunteer too.

I'll volunteer too

Thanks to those who have just volunteered today, and to those who will in the future. I will add your names to the alphabetically arranged list in message 1 as I see them.

I will volunteer. I can never seen to read enough books with this focus.

I can do a square, too.

I can do one too

We have 8 people volunteering to suggest squares. (Actually each volunteered for one.) 5 of you are also suggesting squares for the regular BingoDog.

Those square suggestions are due by next Sunday so that I expect ours should be due at the same time. I have sent RidgewayGirl a message on another thread about this due date.

How do you want to handle this? Are we each willing to suggest 3, or is this too many? Also, I'm not sure whether or not we can have a smaller box of 16 (4 rows of 4) instead of 25 squares. Which size do you prefer if the smaller size is possible?

I'm willing to come up with ideas for as many squares as we need if necessary, but would certainly prefer greater input from others.

Ideas for squares should be sent to me by private message on my profile page.

Thanks.

I am happy to provide as many square ideas as needed once we determine the card size.

My preference would be for 25 squares but will be perfectly happy with 16 if that is what the group wants. I'll send you my first one shortly. Let me know if you need more.

I am willing to provide as many suggestions I can come up as my preference would also be for 25 squares.

Question: Will the bingo card start with "read a book..." or will it be "read a book by a woman author..."? Just trying to figure out how to phrase the squares.

>11 lkernagh: That is a good question about the heading on the card. Do we want this Woman Bingo Pup to be solely books by women, or would books about women be acceptable?

My own preference would be books by women, either fiction or non-fiction. The non-fiction ones would be about women. I personally would prefer not to have men writing about women for this challenge.

Also "books" could include plays, collections of poetry, essays, etc.

I think each reader will have a different level of tolerance for male involvement. You can't really police it, anyway. And how do you feel about books with authors of both genders?

Also the squares are small so the shorter the descriptive text, the better.

Obviously, books also include things like plays, poetry, ... but quite honestly, if 'a book of poetry' is one of the squares, I won't be participating, or I will make up a substitute category. It's just too different from other reading. I read individual poems now and again, but a whole book of them?

I'm aware that people can make their own interpretations about how squares are defined. From the few suggestions which I have received so far, it looks as if we can have both fiction or non-fiction. For the more "non-fiction" squares, a person would be free to read a fiction book on the topic -- just as we are doing in the Dewey category.

Also, many males write about females. For my own reading, I'm going to try to limit it to female authors on the various topics. I personally think that all of the fiction should be by women authors. My purpose for doing a Woman BingoPUP is to celebrate women and their writing.

Also, people will be doing their own bingo -- either seeing how many lines they can fill or trying to fill the whole card. In the BingoDOG this year, I do not expect to fill either of my cards completely -- I'm trying to see how many rows I can fill.

I think also for the squares, we will put the main topic on the square rather than book by or book about although we could have longer titles in our initial post. This is what was done for the BingoDOG this year.

I have followed RidgewayGirls's practice for the regular BingoDOG, and put askerisks in front of the names of people (in the first message) who have contributed suggestions for squares.

Thanks to everyone who has sent in ideas. We still need a few more. We have a little overlap/duplicates but not many.

I'm arriving a little late to the party but I will send you a square idea in case you need more.

I've been lurking quietly, but I sent you an idea in case you still need some. Let us know if you need more!

BTW, I favor the 25 square plan.

Many thanks for responding so quickly with ideas for squares. Let's keep the suggestion time frame open until late Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday evening I will compile a list of suggestions, and we can discuss and decide which ones we want to use. So far, I have received slightly over 25 suggestions with only two being true duplicates: award winning book by a female author was suggested by two people. Thus, we might need to combine a couple of suggestions or cut an idea.

Also, we need to decide how to handle the middle square -- read a cat or read anything you want by or about women or something else.

Greetings,

Here are suggestions which people made for Woman bingoPUP squares. As you can see, we have more than 25. We may want to combine some and/or eliminate some. I have tried to put the suggestions in categories to make them easier to review. However, many did not easily fall into a category.

Some suggestions we will need to limit to a few key words on the square, with longer descriptions elsewhere -- as was done for the BingoDOG this year.

Thanks for submitting your suggestions.

Genre --- written by a woman:
---Different genre than you normally read by female author who wrote in different genres
---Poem/collection of poems by woman/women
---Memoir or Autobiography or biography of woman
---Play/collection of plays by woman/women
---Correspondence of a woman/women
---Mystery by a female author from the Golden Age of Dectective Fiction (1920's & 1930's)
---- A short story collection

Regional or ethnic:
--book by an African/American woman
-- a book set in Europe
-- Women in Africa and/or Asia
--book by an African Woman
--book by a Middle East Woman

“Occupation or Role”:
---Women in science
---Woman who ruled
---Women in combat
---Female spy
---Women in nontraditional roles

Time period -- Book written by woman:
--- Published in 1916
--- published before 2000
--- a book less than 10 years old

Book written by woman
--- writing under male pseudonym
-- over 60 years of age (at the time of publication)

--An award winner by a woman writer (suggested by 2 people)

--woman on the cover
-- A "new-to-you" author
--- From your "To Be Read" pile
-- An author with your same first initial
--- made into a movie
--about Female critter (alien, animal, fantasy creature, mineral!)

Also, what do we want to do about the middle square?

Let's discuss which we want to choose, aiming to have completed compiling our choices by Sunday.

Thanks.

What a lot of great suggestions! So if I counted correctly, there are 29 suggestions for 24 spaces or possibly 25 if we fill the middle square with one of these suggestion instead. It seemed like there is some potential overlap in the regional/ethnic grouping so maybe we could combine a few there. Also, could we combine the poetry and plays into one square? I know they are quite different but thought it might help for people who are reluctant to do both. Under Occupation/Role - if we need to could we summarize all of them into a Women in nontraditional roles square? Love all the suggestions listed under there so hate to combine but in the interest of narrowing it down that might be an option.

In regards to the middle square, there are a few options that I can think of - fill it with one of the categories listed above so all 25 are spoken for, leave it as a free space and the reader can read whatever they want, or leave it as a free space and the reader can choose from one of the suggestions that didn't make the cut.

I think the center square should be a free space or just read a book by a woman. I like the suggestions in >20 LittleTaiko:. Maybe we could combine book by an African-American woman with by an African woman, allowing either option to fill the square. I don't read plays so I would be on board with combining poetry and plays. Could we possibly combine memoir/biography with correspondence? I am the one who suggested nontraditional roles and would be fine with just cutting that one in favor of the more specific suggestions.

I agree with most of the suggestions listed by both >20 LittleTaiko: and >21 sturlington: although I would like to keep both the African-American woman author square and the African author square, as I am interested in reading books by women from different places and cultural backgrounds. And for the same reason, I am interested in the various Occupation/Roles.

But Allison, you are doing all the work, so the final say should definitely rest with you. I am getting quite excited for this challenge and I think it's going to be fun whatever the final Bingo card looks like.

Or you could use a randomizer to just pick 24 of the suggestions. That would be fair.

Combining plays and poetry is a good idea.

I would also be in favour of combining memoir/biography with correspondance.

I am good with whatever the final choice will be. Like >22 DeltaQueen50:, I am getting rather excited and look forward to seeing the final card when it is ready for unveiling.

Here is another try taking into account people's suggestions.

Genre --- written by a woman:
---Different genre than you normally read by female author who wrote in different genres
---Poetry or plays
---Memoir or Autobiography or correspondence
---Mystery by a female author from the Golden Age of Dectective Fiction (1920's & 1930's)
---- A short story collection

Regional or ethnic:
--book by an African/American woman
-- a book set in Europe or Australia or New Zealand
-- Women in Latin America or Asia
--book by an African Woman
--book by a Middle East Woman

“Occupation or Role”:
---Women in science
---Woman who ruled
---Women in combat
---Female spy
---Women in nontraditional roles

Time period -- Book written by woman:
--- Published before 2000
--- a book less than 10 years old

Book written by woman
--- writing under male pseudonym
-- over 60 years of age (at the time of publication)

--An award winner by a woman writer (suggested by 2 people)

-- A "new-to-you" author
--- From your "To Be Read" pile
--- made into a movie
--about Female critter (alien, animal, fantasy creature, mineral!)

The above gets us down to 24 squares. It is combining Poems and Plays; combining correspondence with memoirs and autobiography; and removing published in 1916, author with same initial, and woman on cover.
For the regional, I changed set in Europe to also include Australia and New Zealand, and I changed Africa and/or Asia to Latin America or Asia (an odd combination but we had African author as a separate category). I was trying to get all major parts of the world covered since some like to read about different cultures, and some of us may also be doing the GeoCAT challenge and could count the same book in both that CAT and our PUP.

Let's have the middle square be read anything you want by or about women.

I think that everyone still has at least one of her suggestions still in tact. The deletions were suggestions from people who made multiple suggestions.

How does the above sound?

Love it! I think it should lead to a very well rounded but of reading. So very excited about this challenge for next year. Time to scour my shelves and see what I have that fits and what I might need to fill in.

Thank you for organizing!

Sounds great, I expect this is going to be a fun part of my reading next year. :)

Ha! I just saw this thread. The suggestions look fantastic and thanks for getting it together so I can give both sets of squares to LShelby at the same time.

Is there a way of shortening the longer topics? Different genre than you normally read by female author who wrote in different genres is too long to fit into a square. Can the suggestions be condensed to six or seven words? Can we make all the squares as concise as possible? I can condense them, but it would be better if the person suggesting did, or that we did as a group, as the meaning might change slightly. Shorter is better. I'd like this to be as easy as possible for LShelby, and I agree that the 25 square card is better - that means only one format is needed for both this and the BingoDOG.

And thanks for organizing this, Alison!

>26 sallylou61: Great compromises, should make for some interesting reading next year. Thanks for organizing this.

>26 sallylou61: I like that suggestion, too!

to shortened everything for squares can we let 'written by woman' be assumed for most of these? Shortening them to:


---Different genre than normal
---Poetry or plays
---Memoir/autobio/correspondence
--- 1920's & 1930's detective fiction
---- A short story collection
--- by an African/American woman
-- set in Europe/Australia/NZ
-- set in Latin America or Asia
-- by an African Woman
-- by a Middle East Woman
---Women in science
---Woman who ruled
---Women in combat
---Female spy
---Women in nontraditional roles
---published before 2000
--- book less than 10 years old
--- writing under male pseudonym
-- published over 60 years of age
-- award winner by a woman
-- A "new-to-you" author
--- From your "To Be Read" pile
--- made into a movie
--about Female critter

If someone wants to read a male author for some of these, is that a problem? I can think of several male authors who do female protags magnificently.

I like majkia's suggestions, and am just tweaking them a bit:

---Different genre than normal
---Poetry or plays
---Memoir, autobiography, or correspondence
--- 1920's & 1930's detective fiction
---- A short story collection
--- by an African American woman
-- set in Europe, Australia, or NZ
-- set in Latin America or Asia
-- by an African Woman
-- by a Middle East Woman
---Women in science
---Woman who ruled
---Women in combat
---Female spy
---Women in nontraditional roles
---published before 2000
--- book less than 10 years old
--- writing under male pseudonym
-- published over 60 years of age
-- award winner by a woman
-- A "new-to-you" author
--- From your "To Be Read" pile
--- made into a movie
--about Female critter

Center square should be
--anything by or about women

We are assuming that the books are usually by women.

I took out all of the slashes and replaced most of them with a comma followed by a space. This is to make the words smaller instead of running them together. The slashes make them run together which can cause problems in filling in the squares, by making the lines too long. (It even created problems when I was trying to list them on the lists.)
(African American should not have had a slash to begin with. That was my mistake.)

How does this list look?

Looking at last year's Bingo card, it can accommodate up to 3 lines with an approximate maximum, including spaces and commas, of 15 characters on each line. So I would suggest the following changes. (The | symbol is used to indicate line breaks, but would not appear in the actual text.)

---Autobiography, |memoir, or |correspondence

--- African |American |author

BTW I'm not a fan of the "different genre" square as I find it's meaning confusing - different genre for me or for the author? If "me", what if I read all genres; if "author" why read something that may not be the author's best work?

> 34 Lois B:
We would have an explanation of all the categories either above or below the BingoPUP box for copying. The "different genre than normal" stands for
"Different genre than you normally read by female author who wrote in different genres"

Can you think of another way to abbreviate that heading?
Perhaps
Different genre by same author
or
Different genre by one author

How about Outside Your Comfort Zone or Not Your Usual Genre

>36 LoisB: LoisB That does not say anything about genre by author who write in more than one.

Hi RidgewayGirl and others,

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I think that we will have fun reading for the Woman BingoPUP challenge.

Let's use the following topics for the Woman BingoPUP squares:

---Different genre by same female author
---Poetry or plays
---Autobiography, memoir, or correspondence
--- 1920's & 1930's detective fiction
---- A short story collection
--- by an African American woman
-- set in Europe, Australia, or NZ
-- set in Latin America or Asia
-- by an African Woman
-- by a Middle East Woman
---Women in science
---Woman who ruled
---Women in combat
---Female spy
---Women in nontraditional roles
---published before 2000
--- book less than 10 years old
--- writing under male pseudonym
-- by woman author over 60 years of age
-- award winner by a woman
-- A "new-to-you" author
--- From your "To Be Read" pile
--- made into a movie
--about Female critter

middle square should be
--anything by or about women

Of course, we would not have dashes at the beginning of the topics; they were used to make sure topics were separated.

Also the above topics were listed sort of by theme. These should be mixed. Who does the mixing?

Thanks for your help in getting the bingo card made.

Thanks for getting the list together. I'll run it through an internet randomizer in order to mix them up, but I think the bingo card program does the same, so they'll be doubly mixed.

I'll let you know as soon as the card is ready.

Here's the list as it emerged from the randomizer. Since the point of the challenge is to read books by women, I removed references to the author being a woman as redundant.

Read a book by a woman...

About Female critter
African author
Women in science
Male pseudonym
Made into a movie
Book less than 10 years old
Set in Latin America or Asia
Different genre by same author
From your "To Be Read" pile
Published before 2000
African American author
Short story collection
1920's & 1930's detective fiction
About a spy
Women in non-traditional roles
Award winner
Women in combat
Poetry or plays
A "new-to-you" author
Set in Europe, Australia, or NZ
Autobiography, memoir, or correspondence
About a female Ruler
Author over 60 years of age
Author from Middle East

Thanks for sending this arrangement -- and for all your help in setting up the card, RidgewayGirl. I'm looking forward to this game.

Also, the official BingoDOG looks challenging -- and has only one near duplicate to ours. Both have "Autobiography or Memoir" although we have "Correspondence" added to our heading.

I suggested the read a book published by an author after the age of 60, so I thought I'd thought post a list of possible authors and the dates on which they turned 60. This list is obviously not all inclusive, but I hope it helps. I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone reads!

Everything was published after 60:
Harriet Doerr
Laura Ingalls Wilder

Anything published after given date:
Isabel Allende: 2 Aug 2002
Maya Angelou: 4 Apr 1988
Margaret Atwood: 18 Nov 1999
Pat Barker: 8 May 2003
Judy Blume: 12 Feb 1998
Anita Brookner: 16 July 1988
Geraldine Brooks: 14 Sep 2015 (just The Secret Chord)
Lois McMaster Bujold: 2 Nov 2009
A. S. Byatt: 24 Aug 1996
Agatha Christie: 15 Sep 1950
Mary Higgins Clark: 24 Dec 1987
Beverly Cleary: 12 Apr 1976
Joan Didion: 5 Dec 1994
Margaret Drabble: 5 June 1999
Janet Evanovich: 22 Apr 2003
Jane Gardam: 11 July 1988
Rumer Godden: 10 Dec 1967
Nadine Gordimer: 20 Nov 1983
Sue Grafton: 24 Apr 2010
Susan Hill: 5 Feb 2002
P. D. James: 3 Aug 1980
Sue Monk Kidd: 12 Aug 2008
Ursula K. Le Guin: 21 Oct 1989
Tanith Lee: 19 Dec 2007
Donna Leon: 27 Sep 2002
Doris Lessing: 22 Oct 1979
Penelope Lively: 17 Mar 1993
Ngaio Marsh: 23 Apr 1955
Toni Morrison: 18 Feb 1991
Alice Munro: 10 July 1991
Edna O’Brien: 15 Dec 1990
Joyce Carol Oates: 16 June 1998
Anne Perry: 28 Oct 1998
Annie Proulx: 22 Aug 1995
Kathy Reichs: 7 July 2008
Ruth Rendell: 17 Feb 1990
Anne Rice: 4 Oct 2001
Nora Roberts: 10 Oct 2010
Marilynne Robinson: 26 Nov 2003
Bernice Rubens: 26 July 1983
Danielle Steel: 14 Aug 2007
Mary Stewart: 17 Sep 1976
Rose Tremain: 2 Aug 2003
Anne Tyler: 25 Oct 2001
Alice Walker: 9 Feb 2004
Patricia Wentworth: 10 Nov 1938
Connie Willis: 31 Dec 2005

Thank you, that's very useful.

>42 Dejah_Thoris: - Great list!

>42 Dejah_Thoris: Thanks for the list. Paula: A Memoir by Isabelle Allende was already on my 2016 list.

>42 Dejah_Thoris: Very helpful list, thank you!

WRT 'About a female critter' I'd like to put a word in for Martha Wells books beginning with The Cloud Roads. Very interesting matriarchal society and very well written!

I am thinking of reading a book called Moon Called for the 'female critter' square. The main character is Mercy Thompson and is described as a shape shifter who turns into a coyote. Has anyone read these books? and if so, would they fit the 'female critter' square?

Here's a couple very basic cards for y'all. If you see any typos or mistakes, or want/need changes, just let me know!

<img src="http://www.lshelby.com/Utilities/Bingo/bingocardC.php?type=CAT2016-D&color=green&markers=9-13-20-5-24-6">



<img src="http://www.lshelby.com/Utilities/Bingo/bingocardC.php?type=CAT2016-F&color=purple&markers=2-13-19-7-22-14">



Don't forget that you can change the color of the markers to any of the following:
aqua, black, blue, fuchsia, gray, green, lime, maroon, navy, olive, orange, purple, red, silver, teal, white, and yellow

If you weren't around last year and need instructions on how to use the cards, they are at:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/180134#4971850

>49 LShelby: Thanks so much for creating these BingoPUP cards for us. I have put the second one in my 2016 challenge thread, and it works beautifully. I'm really impressed that you got these bingo cards (including the regular bingo cards) created so quickly.

>48 DeltaQueen50: I read that book and it would fit for 'Female Critter' square. I enjoyed the book and want to continue with the series.

Here are the topics in the order in which they appear on the first BingoPUP card, usually in a shorter form than here.

1. By a New-to-you" female author
2. By a female author who was over 60 years of age when the book was first published.
3. By a female African author.
4. By a female author using a male pseudonym.
5. By a female author from the Middle East.
6. By or about women set in Latin America or Asia.
7. By female author made into a movie.
8. About a female critter (alien, animal, fantasy creature, mineral).
9. By a woman published before 2000.
10. By or about women set in Europe, Australia, or New Zealand.
11. Different genre than you normally read by female author who wrote in different genres. (Might be the genre the author has written most of her books in if you tend not to read that genre.)
12. An award winner by a woman writer
13. Any book written by or about a woman.
14. Mystery by a female author from the Golden Age of Detective Fiction (1920's & 1930's)
15. Poetry or plays written by a woman.
16. About a woman/women in non-traditional roles.
17. by a woman published less than 10 years ago.
18. By or about a woman/women from your "to be read" pile.
19. An autobiography, memoir, or correspondence by a woman.
20. About a female spy.
21. A short story collection by a woman.
22. About women in science.
23. About women in combat
24. About a female ruler.
25. By a female African American author.

Please let me know if you have any corrections to this list.

Also, this is a BingoPUP for your enjoyment. We will not be policing it.

>49 LShelby: BINGO cards, woohoo! Thank you so much!

>49 LShelby: - Love the cards! Thank you so much for creating them!

>49 LShelby: Thanks again!

>49 LShelby: Thanks for making the Bingo cards!

>49 LShelby: Fantastic! I love that we can change the color of the markers!

And for short story collections, I'd like to recommend I Cannot Tell a Lie, Exactly by Mary Ladd Gavell. She wasn't published in her lifetime - after her death, a short story she'd written was put in a trade magazine as a tribute, and things took off from there. Her stories are so very good - as thought John Cheever was a woman living further south and with a sly sense of humor.

Should we start compiling a list of women who wrote in several genres? Authors I can think of off the top of my head are:

Margaret Atwood
Joyce Carol Oates
Victoria Thompson
Stef Penney
Hilary Mantel
Emily St. John Mandel
J.K. Rowling
Kate Atkinson
Georgette Heyer
Janet Evanovich
Emma Donoghue

>57 RidgewayGirl: Another is Doris Lessing.

>57 RidgewayGirl: Thanks for the list. I'm still having trouble grasping the "several genre" square. I'm off to see what Janet Evanovich wrote beyond the Stephanie Plum series.

ETA: Apparently, I read Back to the Bedroom in 2014. since the description doesn't even sound familiar, I think I ill give it another shot.

>59 LoisB: She's also written some humorous romance novels. It's not a huge stretch, like if she had also written a serious novel about cancer and divorce, but romance is a different genre from mystery.

A few more women who have written in more than one genre:

Rita Dove (an African American author) -- a poet who has written a novel (Through the Ivory Gate) and a play (The Darker Side of the Earth).

Rita Mae Brown -- the mystery writer earlier wrote Rubyfruit Jungle, a lesbian novel -- and also poetry.

Jhumpa Lahiri -- novels and short stories.

Geraldine Brooks -- wrote nonfiction about women prior to writing fiction

Willa Cather -- many genres in addition to novels

Laura Ingalls Wilder -- wrote columns for agricultural journals before becoming a children's author -- has been collected

Agatha Christie wrote romances under the pen name Mary Westmacott.

>49 LShelby: Also here: Thanks for the great cards!

Nicci Gerrard also wrote different genres: Together with her husband she writes thrillers as Nicci French, and under her own name she writes fiction about different topics, including more romance.

I am thinking about Mary Doria Russell. The Sparrow and The Children of God are science fiction and I loved them. Her book Doc has gotten a lot of good talk here on LT and is about Doc Holliday and the American West.

I need some ideas for the women in combat category.

And thanks for the cards- I think they look great!

Susan Glaspell wrote plays, novels, and short stories.

Virginia Woolf -- many genres

Edith Wharton -- many genres

Carolyn Heilbrun -- feminist nonfiction -- mysteries under name Amanda Cross

This might be one of the easier categories since there are numerous possibilities

>64 streamsong: Women in Combat:

Soldier Girls
Ashley's War
We're in this War, Too: World War II Letters from American Women in Uniform --Edited by Judy Barrett Litoff and David C. Smith. This would also work for correspondence bingo square.
I Am a Soldier, Too: The Jessica Lynch Story although the author is male.

Shirley Jackson wrote horror and also humor about family life--very different.

Ursula K. Le Guin is known for science fiction but has written children's books, fantasy and I read a good work of historical fiction by her this year, Lavinia.

I found this helpful list for the women in combat square: https://www.librarything.com/list/431/all/Women-in-War

>51 crazy4reading: Thanks for the info on Moon Called, that will probably be my choice for "Female Critter".

The Bingo Cards are fantastic! Thanks L.Shelby for all your work and effort. I'm going to have a hard time choosing one from both these for the WomanPup and the BingoDog ones as well.

> 67sturlington - thanks for the link to the women in war list - found some good reads there ... my TBR list grows even longer :)

Nice list of black women authors. Found so many African-American and African authors with titles that interest me; it'll be hard to narrow down my choices.

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/02/100-books-by-black-women-everyone-must.html#ax...

>64 streamsong: - I read both those books for the SFFF Cat this year and they will be right up there with my "best of" books for this year. I'm hoping to get to Doc next year.

>66 Tara1Reads: Thank you, I favorited your post so I could find your suggestions again later.

>67 sturlington: Thank you, too. I favorited your post, too, and it looks like there are some good suggestions, but I see that some of the books from that list like Shanghai Girls are not about women in the military, but how ordinary women are affected by war.

>71 dudes22: That's where I am, too. Loved those two and now want to go on reading more by her.

Realized this weekend how much of a challenge and how needed this Bingo PUP was going to be for me. I was looking at my tentative overall selections for January and February and realized that only 1 out of 8 books on my current list was by a female author. Back to the shelves I went to add a few more books to my reading list. Yikes! This is going to be harder than I thought. :)

>73 LittleTaiko: I read a lot of sci fi and fantasy and am not that enamoured of YA versions, so have the same problem.

>74 majkia: : Opposite for me, majkia! Love how the Category Challenges, with all their variances, have something for everybody - eventually. My difficulty was this year - 2015's Science Fiction CAT has really been tough for me since that's the genre that I don't read. I've slogged through at least one every month, and even found a few that I actually enjoyed - The City & The City and The Sparrow, especially.

Oh, this looks like a fun bingo! Will need to read up a little more on how it works here, but I will likely be in.

Add Muriel Spark for several genres; although she's known mostly for her novels, she wrote a very good bio of Mary Shelley.

I am new to the Bingo Challenges and female authors are right up my alley. This is a great idea. Thanks. Now off to figure out the technical stuff.

>77 kac522: The technical stuff is surprisingly uncomplicated. Let us know if you have any problems though.

I think I understand the technical stuff, but is there somewhere that we post our cards? Or do we just track it ourseleves?

Deborah, you can just stick it on you thread, if you'd like.

Are we going to have monthly threads for this as the BingoDOG does?

I just finished my first book for this, a mystery written by a woman set in 1923 (1920-30's Detective Fiction square) -- Death at Wentwater Court

>81 leslie.98: The monthly thread for Woman BingoPUP is here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/211008.

>I have a question about the 1920s-1930s mystery--does the book have to be published or written during those years? or by an author who wrote during those years? OR the story set during those years? I have several Agatha Christie's on my TBR, but these particular ones are from the 1950s. And I have a couple from the Maisie Dobbs series by Winspear--set in that era, but they were written a few years ago.

>83 kac522: Well, I used a recently written mystery set in the 1920s.

>83 kac522: We had to greatly abbreviate some topics to fit into the squares. The definition for 1920s/1930s mystery as originally formed is:
Mystery by a female author from the Golden Age of Detective Fiction (1920's & 1930's)

However, participants can interpret squares as they wish; we don't have any police.

For all the definitions/explanations, please see message:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/201420#5340760

I'm glad to see so much interest in the Woman BingoPUP. Hope that we have a lot of participants.

I submitted the 1920-1930's mystery topic but I feel that everyone can interpret the topic the way that they want, as long as the book has that vintage mystery feel to it.

I finished my first book of 2016, She Rises by Kate Mosley. I marked it off as "Woman in Non-Traditional Role"--the main character disguises as a sailor on a merchant ship in the late 1700s.

>85 sallylou61:, >86 DeltaQueen50: Thanks for the clarification!

Do we take off the markers that are already on the card?

>89 mamatygress: Yes. They're just there to show you how to put in the square numbers once you've read an appropriate book.

Thanks!

I was just cataloging a book I bought late last year, A Woman of Independent Means and saw that it is an epistolary novel - so it has correspondence, but it's fictional, does that go against the intention of the 'Autobiography, Memoir or Correspondence' category?

>92 LisaMorr: I would think that category means specifically nonfiction.

>92 LisaMorr: and >93 Cariola: We are not policing the Woman BingoPUP. The aim is to encourage people to read books about and particularly by women. We are celebrating women. I was one of the people who proposed the "Autobiography, Memoir, and Correspondence category." Some of the categories we changed or merged; I had proposed especially the correspondence part. In my opinion, epistolary novels are fine to include if they are written by women as this one is.

>93 Cariola: >94 sallylou61: Thanks for your thoughts! I think I would like to read this book sometime this year regardless, and if I don't end up reading an autobiography or memoir, then this might go in that spot.

>94 sallylou61: Just giving my opinion, not "policing" anyone! As I said, "I would think." You didn't need to make me sit in the corner for expressing an opinion. I will refrain from doing so here in the future and let the "bosses" answer any questions. Apparently I also wrongly assumed that one of your goals was also to include a diverse type of books. I read mostly fiction, and there are a number of categories on the card that I know I will never fulfill, at least not without pushing myself to read genres that I don't care for (which I might or might not do).

>95 LisaMorr: Hope you enjoy the book, Lisa. I tried to read it a few years ago but could not get into it.

>96 Cariola: It's fine to express your 0pinion. We are trying to keep Woman BingoPUP as open as possible. I was certainly not trying to scold you; I'm sorry if you took it that way.

"By policing" meant that we are not watching people's selections and saying you should not read such and such a book. People can do their own interpretations. When someone asks, we will give an opinion.

Anyone is also free to determine how to play Woman BingoPUP -- either trying to fill the whole card (25 squares), one straight line (5 squares) or something in between.

I have a question about the "award winner" square. Does the book itself need to be an award winner, or the author? I've just received God Help the Child, a 2015 novel by Nobel Prize winner Toni Morrison. So far I don't think this new book has won an award yet, but was hoping I could use it for this square based on Morrison's Nobel prize.

>98 kac522: I think I was the one who suggested that square. I consider a Nobel to apply to an author's entire body of work, so I would count any book read by a Nobel-winner as an award winner.

>99 sturlington: OK, thanks--that's how I was thinking, too!

The April thread is here http://www.librarything.com/topic/220777 for anyone looking for it.

I didn't see a June thread so I am going to start one. If I have started a duplicate, someone let me know.

ETA: here's the thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/225448#

Here's the July thread sallylou61 made: https://www.librarything.com/topic/226582

Here's the August thread:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/228093

The September thread is posted at:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/232301

I have been assuming that all the squares have to be books written by women but perhaps it only means written by or about women? Have I taken too narrow of an approach or is it books written by women only.

There was so discussion about this. Personally, I would prefer written by women, and that is how I'm doing my challenge. However, some felt that men's writing about women would be okay. Use your own judgment; the bingo is for you. As is true for the various CATs, nobody is policing them.

>106 Kristelh: I have made the same assumption but as >107 sallylou61: says, it is up to you!

>108 leslie.98: and>107 sallylou61:, thanks, I will stick to the higher standard then.

I tried to hold myself to that standard as well.

I'm excited to report that on August 12 I finally filled my Woman Bingo-Pup card!

eta: Just re-reading the accepted standard discussion. I did use a male author for : By or about women set in Europe, Australia, or New Zealand. (The Daughters of Mars, Thomas Keneally)(Australia & Europe) on 2/29, because I liked that the book was set in both NZ and Europe. But I read plenty of women authored books set in Europe, so it could be switched out if need be.

>111 countrylife: Congrats! I've found the Woman Bingo Pup hard.

>112 Kristelh: I agree that the Woman BingoPUP turned out to be hard to fill completely. I did not enjoy it as much as the BingoDOG card even though I coordinated the BingoPUP. Thanks for your evaluation of it in the BingoDOG discussion in the 2017 challenge thread https://www.librarything.com/topic/233008

I expect that we will have more discussion about it there.