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For those new to this challenge: More info and monthly index can be found in post #1 of this thread or this TIOLI FAQS wiki.

...logo by cyderry


For November, 2019, your challenge is to...


Read a book that measures approximately 1 cm in thickness.


1. Try to get the measurement as close to 1 cm as possible. That means that 0.5 cm is too thin and 1.5 cm is too thick.
2. When listing your book, list the meaurement as close as you can. Also list the number of pages in your book.
3. You should be able to get your book's thickness on the EDIT YOUR BOOK page. Just scroll down to Physical description and see if your book's thickness is listed under dimentions/thickness. If not, measure it yourself!
4. Yes, you may read a child's board book! :D


Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):

1. The November 2019 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. FYI: This is not meant to be competitive - only fun!
2. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges - You may use this reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, just make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it.
3. FAMeulstee's 2109 TIOLI Sweeplette Meter - Use this page if you want to complete a sweeplette (all of the challenges on only one wiki page)

Edited: Nov 5, 2019, 10:23pm

Wiki Index of Challenges:

Challenges #1-6
1. Read a book that measures approximately 1 cm in thickness - msg #1
2. Read a book with the name of a city in the title - msg #3
3. Read a book with a title that mentions something you could recycle - msg #5
4. Finish an interrupted book - msg #6
5. Read a book that has a musical instrument in the title - msg #7
6. Read a book that has a haiku seasonal word/phrase on the cover - msg #9

Challenges #7-12
7. Read a book where the title completes the phrase "I am thankful for..." - msg #10
8. Read a book that has been adapted from / or into another form - msg #11
9. Read a book set in Western Europe - msg #12
10. Read a book by an author who has a sibling who is in the creative arts - msg #13
11. Read a book in which a profession of a drink is written - msg #16
12. Read a book where a word in the title reminds you of a childhood toy - msg #22

Challenges #13-18
13. Read a book about a utopia that either does or doesn’t work out - msg #23
14. Read a book where the first letter of the title starts with one of the letters in the word Grateful - msg #27
15. Read another book by an author you discovered in 2019l - msg #28
16. Read a book with a yellow and/or orange cover for the November birthstone challengel - msg #38
17. Read a book that features young person/s in peril - msg #44
18. Read a book by an author whose first name is Felix or Lars or one of these names appear in the first sentence - msg #49

Challenge #19
19. Read a book with a title containing up to 9 characters - msg #76

Hold your challenge until the December 2019 Challenges are posted. Thanks!

Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 11:39pm

Challenge #2: Read a book with the name of a city in the title

Pretty self-explanatory. The name of the city can be embedded but the entire name of the city must be included. So, a book with a title like The Chicagoan would be OK.

Note, too, that subtitles count so you can find your city name there.

Note also that the title must include the name of a city, not the name of a village, town, hamlet or any such smaller locations. Here's a list of 1,722 cities in the world...http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/

Here's a list of American cities with over 100,000 people...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

Oct 26, 2019, 11:29pm

I'm number 2, I'm number 2. Second straight month, I think.

Oct 26, 2019, 11:58pm

Challenge #3: Read a book with a title that mentions something you could recycle

It can be furniture, paper, books, etc.

Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 12:03am

Challenge #4: Finish an interrupted book

Various books might qualify. It could be a book you once started then set aside; something you've been dipping in and out of for ages; or a library book you had to return before you'd finished it. I will also accept library books borrowed before but returned without being started. :)

The only rule is that there should be a reasonable time lag between starting and finishing.

Please note when you started your book in the first place on the wiki. (Approximately will do if you're not sure.)

Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 12:58am

Challenge #5: Read a book that has a musical instrument in the title.

Embedded words are fine and encouraged.

Oct 26, 2019, 2:13am

>6 lyzard: This is a wonderful challenge! I have a small pile of books which have run into the sand, it's great to have an incentive to pick them up again.

Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 2:30am

Challenge #6: read a book with a 'haiku seasonal word/phrase' on the cover

I learnt recently that strictly speaking, a Japanese haiku needs to include one word which refers to a season. In the haiku tradition, this doesn't just mean a word like 'snow' or 'falling leaves' - there is a wide range of words which have a poetic seasonal link, eg frog = spring, iris = summer, moon = autumn.

Please use this list of words. If the 'seasonal phrase' has more than one word, that phrase needs to appear on the cover of your book to qualify - so the word 'cloud' would not be acceptable for this challenge, as it only appears on the list as part of a longer phrase. However if the seasonal word/phrase is plural, it's OK to use the singular (eg the list has the word "icicles" - it's OK if the word on your book cover is "icicle").

Embedded words are OK.

Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 3:41am

My "nth" annual November challenge:

Challenge #7: Read a book where the title completes the phrase "I am thankful for..."


Oct 26, 2019, 3:45am

TIOLI #8: Read a book that has been adapted from / or into another form. - started by Dejah_Thoris

This is a variation on some Challenges we’ve seen before. You can read either the original work or the adaptation, you just need to let us know which it is on the wiki. Some examples would be:

The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time (novel, made into a play)
Breakfast At Tiffany’s (novella, made into movie)
The Handmaid’s Tale: The Graphic Novel (graphic novel, adapted from novel)
Shore Leave (novel, made into movie Kiss Them For Me)
The Thorn Birds (novel, made in to TV mini-series)
Tipping the Velvet (play, based on the novel)

The adaptations need to be another version of the original work. So, for example, the very entertaining Rivers of London graphic novels wouldn’t count, because they cover events outside of the main series. Most of the Star Wars and Star Trek novels don’t work, unless they are a movie tie in, and reflect the plot of the film.

Audio books aren’t allowed, because they are usually verbatim versions of the original work.

If you have any questions, please ask!

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 9:26am

Challenge #9: Read a book set in Western Europe

According to Wikipedia Western Europe contains:
Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Switzerland, and United Kingdom

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 1:35pm

It's just about my little brother's birthday and two people less like each other it would be hard to imagine. He's 6 ft tall, blonde & very fit, I'm ... weeelllll I'm not. >;-) But while we are drastically different physically, we do share a trait, we have a scientific turn of mind. In honour of all baby brothers (and how annoying are they?) I have a challenge related to siblings:

====Challenge #10: Read a book by an author who has a sibling who is in the creative arts====

I'm going to be quite generous on what is a creative art, so you're not too constrained there. Please list the sibling's first name (and surname if they are different) and the branch of the creative arts the occupy.

I'll find a picture of us and add it, so you can have a laugh. Here we go: this is me holding my baby brother when he came home. I think that look is "what am I supposed to do with this"

Oct 27, 2019, 1:32pm

>11 Dejah_Thoris: I'm assuming you mean that audiobooks aren't considered an adaptation rather than not allowed at all? For instance, some one could listen to The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time?

Oct 27, 2019, 1:43pm

>14 Morphidae: Using your example, you could listen to an audio version of The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, which is basically identical in content to the novel, because the play adaptation exists - so yes, you are correct!

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 2:13pm

Challenge #11: Read a book in which a profession of a drink is written.

This is more or less self-explanatory. It is important that a protagonist has something to do with a particular beverage production.

Oct 27, 2019, 2:16pm

>7 Carmenere: Lynda, with my lips I can whistle, lips would therefore count as an instrument?

Oct 27, 2019, 3:19pm

>13 Helenliz: That is *such* a cute picture, Helen. Thanks for posting it!

Oct 27, 2019, 3:21pm

>11 Dejah_Thoris: I'm not sure I understand this. So an example might be that there is a description of a bartender in the narrative?

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 10:53pm

>17 Ameise1: and fingers can snap so along with lips, they'd be permitted too

Oct 27, 2019, 4:34pm

>20 Carmenere: Thanks, Lynda.

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 5:09pm

Challnge #12: Read A Book Where a Word in Title Reminds You of a Childhood Toy

Balls, Skates, Crayons, Dolls, Bats & board games, etc. This item can be a direct word from the title or can be embedded.

Oct 27, 2019, 5:18pm

Challenge #13: Read a book about a utopia whether it is successful or not
>10 Morphidae: put off reading Scythe last month so that I could join her this month if I could post a challenge for it. I think this works.

Edited: Nov 30, 2019, 5:39pm

Whew, I got here late this month. My planned reads
Challenge #1: Read a book that measures approximately 1 cm in thickness - started by SqueakyChu
*This is How You Lose the Time War (1.3cm 201 pages) - Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone ABANDONED
Challenge #2: Read a book with the name of a city in the title - started by lindapanzo
*Down and out in Paris and London - George Orwell ABANDONED (misogyny)
O Jerusalem - Laurie R. King (3..5) of
Challenge #3: Read a book with a title that mentions something you could recycle - started by dallenbaugh
The book of Gutsy Women: Favorite Stories of Courage and Resilience - Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chelsea Clinton (3.5)
Challenge #4: Finish an interrupted book - started by lyzard
Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers and Other Pagans in America Today - Margot Adler (3.5)
Challenge #5: Read a book that has a musical instrument in the title - started by Carmenere
*✔Sharp Objects - Gillian Flynn (2.5)
Challenge #6: Read a book that has a haiku seasonal word/phrase on the cover - started by wandering_star
*✔The Mushroom at the End of the World - Anna Lowenhaupt Tsing (4)
Challenge #7: Read a book where the title completes the phrase "I am thankful for..." - started by Morphidae
Tradition!: The Highly Improbable, Ultimately Triumphant Broadway-to-Hollywood Story of Fiddler on the Roof, the World's Most Beloved Musical - Barbara Isenberg (4)
Challenge #8: Read a book that has been adapted from / or into another form - started by Dejah_Thoris
Prime Suspect - Lydia LaPlante (5)
Challenge #9: Read a book set in Western Europe - started by FAMeulstee
Gods and Beasts - Denise Mina
Mr. Loverman - Bernardine Evaristo (3.5
Challenge #10: Read a book by an author who has a sibling who is in the creative arts - started by helenliz
*✔City of Girls: A Novel - Elizabeth Gilbert (4)
*✔The Tenant of Wildfell Hall - Anne Bronte (4)
Challenge #11: Read a book in which a profession of a drink is written. - started by Ameise1
*✔A Deadly Brew - Lynn Cahoon (2.5)
Challenge #12: Read a book where a word in the title reminds you of a childhood toy - started by DeltaQueen
*✔The Dutch House - Ann Patchett (4)
Challenge #13: Read a book about a utopia that either does or doesn’t work out- started by Citizenjoyce
Scythe - Neal Shusterman (3.5)
Challenge #14: Rolling Challenge – Read a book where the first letter of the title starts with one of the letters in the word Grateful - started by quondame
Escape from Asylum - Madeleine Roux
Ask Again, Yes: A Novel - Mary Beth Keane (3.5)
Furious Hours: Murder, Fraud, and the Last Trial of Harper Lee - Casey Cep (5)
Grimm's Fairy Tales - Brothers Grimm
Challenge #15: Read another book by an author you discovered in 2019 - started by susanna.fraser
*✔The Drowning - Camilla Lackberg (2)
Gods of Jade and Shadow - Silvia Moreno-Garcia
Challenge #16: Read a book with a yellow and/or orange cover for the November birthstone challenge - started by Humouress
Battleborn - Claire Vaye Watkins (3.5)
Out of Orange - Cleary Wolters (3)
Challenge #17: Read a book that features young person/s in peril - started by avatiakh
Beartown - Fredrik Backman RL Bookclub (5)
The Strange Case of Dr. Couney: How a Mysterious European Showman Saved Thousands of American Babies -Dawn Raffel (4)
Tricks - Ellen Hopkins
Challenge #19: Read a book with a title containing up to 9 characters - Started by elkiedee
Identical - Ellen Hopkins

Oct 27, 2019, 8:23pm

>8 wandering_star:

It's a very self-serving challenge, so it's great to hear it's of use to others too! :)

Edited: Nov 3, 2019, 11:52am

>13 Helenliz: I came up with a few artistic siblings, in addition to the Bronte's.

Joan Aiken - sister to author Jane Aiken Hodge
A. S. Byatt - sister to author Margaret Drabble
C. J. Cherryh - sister to artist David Cherry
Jackie Collins - sister to actor Joan Collins
Gerald Durrell - brother to author Lawrence Durrell
Joe Haldeman - brother to author Jay Haldeman aka Jack C. Haldeman
Elizabeth George - sister to author and brew master Robert Rivelle George
Elizabeth Gilbert - sister to author Catherine Gilbert Murdock
Attica Locke - sister to actress and author Tembi Locke
Klaus Mann - brother to authors Erika Mann, Golo Mann, and Monika Mann
Thomas Mann - brother to author Heinrich Mann
Liane Moriarty - sister to authors Jaclyn Moriarty and Nicola Moriarty
Virginia Wolf - sister to artist Vanessa Bell

ETA: Thanks for all the additional sibling suggestions!

Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 1:49am

Challenge #14: Rolling Challenge – Read a book where the first letter of the title starts with one of the letters in the word Grateful

You may either use or ignore any initial article. So A Good Hanging could be used for 'A' or 'G' and The First Eagle for 'T' or 'F'.

No skipping over letters.

Oct 27, 2019, 3:59am

Challenge #15: Read another book by an author you discovered in 2019

Read an author for the first time this year and enjoyed the book? Read another!

Oct 28, 2019, 4:55am

Oct 28, 2019, 12:51pm

>26 Dejah_Thoris: Also Elizabeth George who has an older brother who is a brewmaster and author Robert Rivelle George

Oct 28, 2019, 1:17pm

>26 Dejah_Thoris: & 30. Thank you both. I'm sure there are any number of talented siblings out there to choose from.

>18 SqueakyChu: thanks! he's a lot less cute these days, but is more likely to buy me a drink than he was back then >:-)

Oct 28, 2019, 2:28pm

>26 Dejah_Thoris: Very helpful! I have a couple of books by Attica Locke on the TBR so that's my choice made for this challenge.

Edited: Oct 28, 2019, 3:55pm

>26 Dejah_Thoris: Brothers Thomas Mann and Heinrich Mann were both writers.
Four children of Thomas Mann were also writers: Klaus Mann, Erika Mann, Golo Mann and Monika Mann.

Oct 28, 2019, 4:01pm

>28 susanna.fraser: This is a GREAT challenge for me. It'll let me read more mysteries from the books I've discovered via Net Galley and others. Wish I'd thought of it but I'm glad you did.

Oct 28, 2019, 4:34pm

>34 lindapanzo: Same. (Except for me it's Archive.org)

Edited: Oct 28, 2019, 2:45am

>13 Helenliz: >26 Dejah_Thoris: >33 FAMeulstee: C.J. Cherryh's brother David Cherry is an artist - he has done some covers for her.

Edited: Oct 29, 2019, 7:09am

>36 quondame: (et al) ... and sisters Joan Aiken and Jane Aiken Hodge are both authors, albeit different genres.

>8 wandering_star:

Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 7:46am

I decided to get here early this month to post the November birthstone challenge. There are two birthstones for November: citrine (which is yellow) and topaz which comes in several pretty colours but the most desirable, apparently, is imperial topaz - a rich orange colour so I will go with autumnal colours.

Challenge 16: Read a book with a yellow and/or orange cover for the November birthstone challenge

Please post your covers on the birthstone challenge covers thread

Oct 29, 2019, 7:22am

>38 humouress: Challenge 14 has been taken, 15 too. Also Jasper is awfully close to Citrine/Topaz and we did that in September.

Oct 29, 2019, 7:25am

>39 quondame: I noticed I had to change the number when I added it to the wiki, thanks.

Aaagh; there aren't enough colours in the rainbow to go with the number of months in the year! Let me see what I can find re colours ...

Oct 29, 2019, 7:28am

>40 humouress: Astrological signs? Scorpio is promising....

Edited: Oct 29, 2019, 8:09am

>41 quondame: I had a look and most gemstones come in a range of colours (so how do you know it's one and not another in real life?). I'm hoping to keep this going for a year so some colours - blue and white, for instance - will repeat.

Japer is more sandstone-y colour whereas topaz is a deeper orange. Most people's September books were in the sandstone range (but I notice yours was more orange-y). So I hope it doesn't throw out anyone's reading plans but I'm going to stay with the orange/ yellow cover for November. I will, as always, try to be as flexible as possible.

Having said which, I have no idea what I'm going to read. I see that chunkster The Dragon Reborn seems to be next on my Wheel of Time re-read; ooh - The Curse of Chalion might work ...

Oct 29, 2019, 1:28am

>2 SqueakyChu: #15 is in eclipse!

Edited: Oct 29, 2019, 3:53am

Challenge #17: Read a book that features young person/s in peril

I'm reading a fictional holocaust story about twins and another about the Nigerian schoolgirls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram in 2014.
Mapping the Bones by Jane Yolen
Girl: a novel by Edna O'Brien

Oct 30, 2019, 7:15pm

>43 quondame: It's back. Thanks!

Oct 30, 2019, 10:49pm

For those interested, this month's Agatha Christie read is Hallowe'en Party...and I can't tell you how exasperated I am it didn't fall out for October! :D

I will probably be placing it in #17, though of course it also fits #8.

Oct 31, 2019, 7:15am

>46 lyzard: Argh, I've already read that one - and fairly recently so won't re-read this month. I'm planning on picking up N or M?, maybe followed by Hercule Poirot's Christmas - though that one will probably end up in December instead.

Oct 31, 2019, 8:02am

No worries! :)

Oct 31, 2019, 8:34pm

Challenge #18: Read a book by an author whose first name is Felix or Lars or one of these names appear in the first sentence

In honor of my grandchild Felix Lars, I challenge you to read a book written by an author whose name is also Felix or Lars as first name (no embedded or hyphenated names).
Or read a book which has Felix, Lars, 4th October, 2,94 or 50 in the first sentence (when using the date please make sure it is the 4th October and not the 10th April; here the proper date is 2019.10.04 yymmdd)

Felix Lars, born 4th October 2019, 2.94 kg, 50 cm

Oct 31, 2019, 9:05pm

>49 paulstalder: congratulations! He looks like a proper little munchkin. Hope he causes grandad just the right amount of trouble. >:-D

Oct 31, 2019, 9:16pm

>49 paulstalder: Congratulations!

Oct 31, 2019, 9:37pm

>50 Helenliz: thanks Helen. He did make some trouble already - he didn't breathe, so they had to reanimate him - but now he is okay and our star

>51 humouress: :) thanks

Oct 31, 2019, 11:04pm

>49 paulstalder: Congratulations

Oct 31, 2019, 1:14am

>49 paulstalder: Does Felix have to be a first name if it's in the first sentence?

Oct 31, 2019, 1:18am

Congratulations, Paul. I am very proud to share a birthday with your lovely grandchild. :)

Nov 1, 2019, 4:39am

>49 paulstalder: Welcome to the world of grandfatherhood, Paul! Your little Felix Lars is precious.

Nov 1, 2019, 8:42am

>53 Citizenjoyce: thanks 😊

>54 Morphidae: no, not in the first sentence, there it can have any function; but not embedded.

>55 DeltaQueen50: so, late happy birthday, Judy 😘 It's good to have such forerunners in reading as you are, I hope he will become a reader, too, one day.

>56 SqueakyChu: Thanks Madeline. I call him 'the Happy Ice Bear' (Felix meaning happy, Lars after the Little Polar Bear series by Hans de Beer

Edited: Nov 1, 2019, 8:11pm

I am not happy that the search function in Common Knowledge does NOT function if you search for "50" or "2." It comes back with too many results to display. Meh. Why not display the first 1,000 or so?

*shakes angry fist at the sky*

Nov 1, 2019, 8:31pm

>49 paulstalder: So happy for you, Paul! Congratulations to all.

Nov 1, 2019, 8:38pm

>58 Morphidae: sorry, I forgot that special feature of LT. It's worse when you leave the search field empty and just make a search for 'First words', in that case I get 982 pages of 200 works per page - but the first sentence is not totally shown, so I can't search for anything which is hidden, and open up every first-word-field is tedious ... 196'400 times .... I am still on it ----------

Nov 1, 2019, 8:40pm

>59 Carmenere: thanks Lynda :)

Nov 1, 2019, 2:55am

>49 paulstalder: Congratulations on the adorable addition to your family, Paul!

Nov 2, 2019, 10:52am

>62 Dejah_Thoris: Thanks, I am pretty happy with the addition :)

Nov 2, 2019, 8:20pm

>12 FAMeulstee: according to wikipedia? not the German, French, Italian, Swedish wikipedia :) interesting (there was some heavy editing on the English wikipedia page within the last few months, latest edit today)

Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 9:47pm

>64 paulstalder: Dutch is almost the same, only Andorra added and minus Czech Republic.
If you look closer on the editing, you will see that it is mainly vandalism and reverting vandalism.

ETA: So to prevent discussion, I added the list and link.

Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 9:58pm

>65 FAMeulstee: yes, I have seen the vandalistic changes - I don't understand why people do such things. And the discussion if humanism is an event or not is also interesting ...
The Czech Republic would people here not regard as part of Western Europe - but it's interesting to include it

ETA: I didn't want to discuss the countries as such, I wanted to hint at the notion of WIKIPEDIA as a single entity, which it isn't :)

Nov 2, 2019, 10:10pm

>66 paulstalder: Indeed Wikipedia isn't a whole, much information is cultural and language dependent. Our language is only spoken in two countries, so most Wikipedia entries are not disputed. With multi-country languages, like English and German it is probably more difficult to get consensus.
I often turn to the English or German versions, when there is no Dutch entry about a writer I want to know some more about.

I'll never understand vandalism on sites like Wikipedia.

Nov 2, 2019, 10:21pm

>67 FAMeulstee: Even the Swiss entries of the same Swiss city/person etc. in German, French, Italian and Rumantsh vary widely- it is very interesting to compare the different contents :)

Nov 2, 2019, 12:29am

Whew, I was worried there for a minute. Late last night, I finished the book I was reading at the end of last month and didn't have a planned spot for it in this month's TIOLI. I looked everywhere and then realized that books can be recycled.

Nov 2, 2019, 1:58am

>12 FAMeulstee: So if they aren't Western Europe, what are countries like Italy, Spain, and Portugal considered? I was highly surprised not to see them on the list

Nov 2, 2019, 2:04am

>66 paulstalder: >67 FAMeulstee: I've never understood wanton destruction for anything. Not something I see eye to eye with my kids on ...

Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 2:26am

>12 FAMeulstee: >70 Morphidae: This is from that linked wikipedia article:

"Western Europe is the region comprising the western part of Europe. Though the term Western Europe is commonly used, there is no consensus on which countries it comprise."

That clears it up, doesn't it?! ;)

Nov 2, 2019, 3:05am

I think that Wikipedia definition is a bit weird, but it also doesn't include Scandinavia - presumably the Scandinavian countries are "northern" Europe and Spain, Portugal and Italy "southern".

Nov 3, 2019, 8:37am

>72 SqueakyChu: I was surprised how many different views/definitions of "Western Europe" exist.
I even found one definition that excluded Ireland and the UK, as it limited the definition to mainland Europe.

>73 elkiedee: You are right, in this definition Scandinavia belongs to Northern Europe and Italy, Portugal and Spain to Southern Europe. The other two European regions in this definition are Central Europe and East Europe.

Nov 3, 2019, 1:13pm

>26 Dejah_Thoris: Back at message 26, I've added in all the additional suggestions for author with creative siblings. It's not a bad little list - thanks, everyone.

In addition to reading a bunch of plays this month, I'm reading award nominated and winning SF&F for the SFFKIT over in the Category Challenge group. I'm hoping to read some new authors and to include shorter fiction in the mix - short stories, novelettes, and novellas. When I read something available free online, I'll add a link here on the main thread in the hope that someone (or several someones) will join me. Hooray for shared reads!

First up is Cat Pictures, Please by Naomi Kritzer. It's a short story that was nominated for a Nebula and won both a Hugo and a Locus Award. It can be read for free, HERE . I have this story listed in Morphy's Challenge #7.

It didn't win any awards, but I'll also share a link to P. Djeli Clark's A Dead Djinn in Cairo, which I have listed in Linda's Challenge #2. It's in the same world as Clark's The Haunting of Tram Car 015, which I really enjoyed (it's in Susanna's Challenge #15, btw). I'll probably read it tonight, and if anyone wants to join me, it's available HERE .

More to come!

Nov 4, 2019, 8:43pm

Challenge 19: Read a book with a title containing up to 9 characters

These can be letters, numbers, punctuation marks - spaces don't count in this case. Punctuation marks count, including colons, exclamation and question marks, dashes, brackets etc.

Unnecessary subtitles such as "a novel" don't count but words which are printed as part of the title do.
eg a if short story collection XYZ has Selected Stories on a separate line in a different font, that doesn't count, but if it's XYZ and Other Stories or XYZ: Selected Stories all in the same size font, it does count and you won't be able to use that title.

Nov 8, 2019, 12:37am

>76 elkiedee: Raven Black is 10 non-space characters long, but only contains 9 characters. Would it qualify?

Nov 8, 2019, 1:24am

No, I'm talking about characters in the sense of letters, symbols etc and that is 2 5 letter words - 10 characters.

Edited: Nov 13, 2019, 3:54am

TIOLI Stats for October 2019

The numbers are looking a bit steadier! For October, 2019, we read a total of 345 books of which 65 (19%) were shared reads. Not too shabby! We accumulated 34 TIOLI points for a YTD total of 365.

Our most popular books, each with 3 readers, were:
Uniform Justice by Donna Leon
The Memory Police by Yoko Ogawa
A Better Man by Louise Penny
Through the Wall by Patricia Wentworth
Chilling Effect by Valerie Valdes

Our most popular challenges, each with 44 books were:
...lindapanzo's challenge to read a book from your favorite genre
...DeltaQueen's challenge to read a book where there is an embedded word of 4 letters or more in the Author’s last name

The challenge with the most TIOLI points was DeltaQueen's challenge to read a book where there is an embedded word of 4 letters or more in the Author’s last name. That challenge accumulated 5 TIOLI points.

Onward to the TIOLI awards for October...

Nov 14, 2019, 9:38pm

>79 SqueakyChu: Glad that the numbers are steadier, Madeline. I always mean to do more shared reads but, sadly, no one else seems to like the quirky sports and other books I like, though lately, Net Galley mysteries have kept me occupied.

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The October 2109 TIOLI Awards

The Three-Quarter Mark Award goes to CitizenJoyce for the challenge to read a book in which a major character has some relationship to a circus. Fully 75% of the books read for that challenge were shared reads!

The Endless Series Award goes to Morphidae for reading Vendetta in Death which was book #49 in a series. I personally have difficulty making it through two books in a series, so I am astounded that anyone could read the 49th book in a series--assuming they were read in chronological order. Even if not, it seems like a great feat to me to keep reading the same sort of books by the same author over and over again.

The Catcher's Award goes to dallenbaugh for reading To Catch a Leaf for this challenger's own challenge to read a book with either an image of leaves on the cover or the word leaf/leaves in the title. This is not an easy task. I keep picturing someone actually trying to catch a leaf as it is falling from a tree. Suppose it's a windy day as well?!

The First and Last Awards goe to quondame for reading The Invisible Ring and to lyzard for reading The Gold Comfit Box for helenliz's challenge to read a book where the author's first name and surname are consecutive and in alphabetical order. The first book was written by Anne Bishop (AB) and the last book was written by Valentine Williams (VW). Why no X, Y or Z?

The Autumn Appreciation Award goes to both DeltaQueen50 and Jeanned for reading Red Leaves for lahochstetler's challenge to read a book whose cover gives you an autumn vibe. This book's cover pictures a man walking through fallen leaves. I can hear the crunch of those leaves simply by imagining this scene. Too bad we did not have a separate thread for those book covers. Maybe next time?

The Lost Footwear Award goes to paulstalder for the challenge to read a book which mentions footwear in the first sentence. This was such a hard challenge! I commend those of you were were able to find a qualifying book for this challenge.

The Spooky Book Award goes to elkiedee for the challenge to read a work of witchlit. Witchlit?! is that even a word? If so, I love it!

Congrats to the award winners. Feel free to post awards of your own at this time.

Nov 14, 2019, 11:08pm

>81 SqueakyChu: Thanks. There were so few books listed, I think we had to lean on each other to find one that fit.

Nov 14, 2019, 11:47pm

>82 Citizenjoyce: Kind of like Paul’s challenge, eh? :D

Nov 14, 2019, 12:14am

>81 SqueakyChu: Thanks for the award Madeline. I will leaf it at that.

Nov 14, 2019, 12:43am

>81 SqueakyChu: Thank you!

Nov 14, 2019, 1:22am

>81 SqueakyChu: Thanks, Madeline. Autumn is my favorite season so I am tickled to win an award that celebrates it.

Nov 14, 2019, 3:56am

Congratulations to all the winners!

Nov 14, 2019, 4:09am

TIOLI Question of the Month

Which book that you've started or already finished so far this month were you most happy to read? Which book was it, and why were you so happy to read it?

Nov 15, 2019, 5:45am

>88 SqueakyChu: Piglettes was fun and sassy and went its own way.

Nov 15, 2019, 5:53am

>88 SqueakyChu: Furious Hours: Murder, Fraud, and the Last Trial of Harper Lee by Casey Cep is an amazing read. First, it starts of with the trial of a man who murdered another man who made his money by taking out insurance policies on people, mostly members of his family, then murdering them and suing the insurance companies to force them to pay. Amazing that such a thing could happen. Harper Lee is barely mentioned as the woman who is going to write a book about the case. Then the book goes into a biography of Lee that is just fascinating. I hated Go Set A Watchman and found it hard to believe that the Atticus of the book was the same Atticus of To Kill a Mockingbird. Now I understand. The book is worth 5 stars just to get that idea through my thick skull, but the rest of the story earns the stars too. I am so happy I read it.

Nov 15, 2019, 6:01am

>90 Citizenjoyce: It's a great book, isn't it? I agree that the biography portion explained so much about Harper Lee's writing - or lack thereof. And the court case was fascinating, too. Very worthwhile reading.

Nov 15, 2019, 7:59am

>81 SqueakyChu: Thanks for giving me the boots - the challenge was harder than I figured myself :)

Nov 15, 2019, 10:18am

>88 SqueakyChu: Naturally I was most happy to read Lass mich nicht allein, Lars! by Hans de Beer because of grandson whose second name is Lars. The German title translates as 'Don't leave me alone!' which I think is also fittingt of a little child.

secondly, I am happy to have read part of Der grüne Heinrich by Gottfried Keller. I was always avoiding this Swiss chunkster, but having read a small part of it now, makes me want to read the whole book one day. I read shorter things by Keller and always thought that 'der grüne Heinrich' would be to tedious and boring to read, so I am happy that I could change that attitude.

Nov 15, 2019, 1:02pm

>88 SqueakyChu: I was happy to reacquaint myself with the Nero Wolfe books specifically Some Buried Caesar mainly due to the great dialogue and quirky characters.

Nov 15, 2019, 6:02pm

I've long admired former Chicago Blackhawks player and current Hawks announcer Eddie Olczyk. A fascinating career in both hockey and, to a lesser extent, in the thoroughbred racing field and, more recently, as man who battled, and survived, colon cancer. As a result, I was very happy to read his autobiography, Eddie Olczyk: Beating the Odds in Hockey and in Life.

I've seen him around the Hawks' arena and occasionally elsewhere and he's always pleasant and one of the most down to earth local celebrities you'd ever meet. The fact that he's a Polish-American Chicagoan (ahem, like someone else) doesn't hurt either.

Nov 15, 2019, 7:05pm

>89 quondame: I loved Piglettes when I read it last year.

Nov 15, 2019, 7:32pm

>89 quondame: I was planning on reading Piglettes last month and didn't get to it. Great to hear that you enjoyed it - I am looking forward to fitting it back into my reading plans.

Edited: Nov 16, 2019, 12:25am

Congratulations on your November sweep, Susan! Did you do it in numerical order again this month?

Nov 16, 2019, 1:14am

>98 SqueakyChu: Thank you! Nope, I jumped around a lot.

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>99 quondame: It's a lot more fun that way. Isn't it?! :D

Edited: Nov 16, 2019, 4:30am

>81 SqueakyChu: Thanks! I'm actually in the middle of a third complete reread of the entire series.

Yep, all 49 of them. I finished Born in Death (#23) this month. I typically read 1 - 3 a month depending on my mood and the challenges.

The last time I read them all (I think up to 40 or 42), I read them within 3 to 4 months and that was a bit much. It became samey-samey.

Nov 17, 2019, 6:44am

>100 SqueakyChu: It's less trouble figuring out what to read next, that's for sure. I'm just glad the library books arrived in a timely fashion.

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>88 SqueakyChu: I found another book that made me happy. In The Tenant of Wildfell Hall there is finally one of the Bronte sisters who had a realistic view of men and relationships between men and women, and the main woman character even councils both men and women about the treatment of women in marriage. How in the world did I miss this one? No more "you have to forgive the author, she's a product of her time." Ann Bronte is my kind of woman. This cartoon says it all http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=202

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>102 quondame: Congratulations on your sweep, Susan!

I am still waiting for one library book to arrive...

Nov 17, 2019, 8:45pm

>103 Citizenjoyce:

You beat me to that cartoon which is ALWAYS my response to any discussion of the Brontes!

Totally Team Anne, me. :D

Nov 17, 2019, 3:35am

>105 lyzard: Live and learn, I had no idea.

Nov 17, 2019, 3:47am

Congratulations on your sweep, Susan!

>103 Citizenjoyce: Loved the cartoon....

Nov 19, 2019, 2:28am

>88 SqueakyChu: In belated answer to your question, Madeline, I have been most happy to read Enchanted April, the play by Matthew Barber, based on the novel by Elizabeth von Arnim. It is simply lovely - absolutely charming and a pleasure to read. I'm planning to read the novel next month and I expect it will be just as good, if not better. It's full of hope and optimism, and the belief that you can change your life - even if you have to rent a castle in Italy to do it.

Unexpectedly, I have a second answer as well. I'm reading a fair amount of SF&F award winning short fiction this month (hence the links to two stories up in post >75 Dejah_Thoris:) and tonight I was utterly surprised by a story I read: The Water That Falls On You From Nowhere by John Chu. Pretty much all I knew about it going in was that it had won a Hugo Award for Best Short Story back in 2014. I loved it. It's more about people than science or fantasy, and I thought it was beautiful. I've got it in Challenge #7 if you want to join me for a shared read (Heather / souloftherose already has - thank you!), the story can be found HERE .

Also, if you've read any of John Scalzi's Old Man's War series, you'll probably enjoy After the Coup. I've placed it in Challenge #14, and it can be read HERE .

Nov 20, 2019, 3:09am

Well, I read another award winning short story, and it nearly broke my heart - even though it's excellent. If you're willing to risk the heartache, try The Paper Menagerie, which can be found (HERE). It won the Hugo, Nebula and the World Fantasy Awardsin 2011/2012. I added it to Challenge #3.

Nov 20, 2019, 4:37am

>109 Dejah_Thoris: It's amazing.

Nov 21, 2019, 4:39pm

>108 Dejah_Thoris: Ooh, Enchanted April! I have that on my Kindle because I loved the film. I'm willing to join you, as long as I'm organised enough. We'll be travelling but I usually take the Kindle for reading.

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>109 Dejah_Thoris: Wow. Thanks.

Nov 21, 2019, 3:18am

>110 quondame: It's just beautiful, isn't it?

>111 humouress: Excellent! I'm really looking forward to it next month - I'm I'm delighted to have the chance for the shared read with you!

>112 Helenoel: Yeah. Wow about covers it. I will definitely be reading more by Ken Liu. I just hope all his stories don't move me to tears....

Nov 22, 2019, 9:19pm

>109 Dejah_Thoris: How could you do this to me? It’ll take a while to get over that one.

Nov 22, 2019, 10:22pm

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>114 Citizenjoyce: >115 FAMeulstee: I DID issue a warning in my post....

It really is an excellently written short story, isn't it?

Thanks for sharing the read!

Nov 23, 2019, 4:22pm

>109 Dejah_Thoris: I'm not crying, you're crying.

*sniffs and wipes her eyes*

I have allergies. Really!

Nov 28, 2019, 10:47am

I just finished my november TIOLI sweep! :-)

Nov 28, 2019, 3:09pm

>118 FAMeulstee: Hurray for Anita! Congratulations!

Nov 28, 2019, 9:39pm

>118 FAMeulstee: congratulations!

Nov 28, 2019, 10:16pm

>118 FAMeulstee: Congratulations!

Nov 28, 2019, 10:32pm

>118 FAMeulstee: Woohoo, Anita - congratulations!

Nov 28, 2019, 10:33pm

Congratulations, Anita!

Dec 1, 2019, 7:13pm

Unfortunately I blew November and I can count the number of books I read on one hand. Such is life. No 2019 sweep for me.

Dec 1, 2019, 9:22pm

>125 Morphidae: So sorry for you, Morphy.
I hope you did enjoy the books you read.

Dec 1, 2019, 9:28pm

>125 Morphidae: Morphy, TIOLI is guilt free! I understand the (self-imposed) pressure to get a sweep each month, which is why I decided to skip sweeps in 2019. I may even skip them for 2020, too.

Dec 1, 2019, 2:36am

>125 Morphidae: You did ten sweeps in a row for this year. That is quite a feat in itself. Take it from a person who can no longer make even sweeplettes! The point is to have fun reading, which I'm sure you do.

Dec 1, 2019, 2:38am

I think I missed Housekeeping Day, but it's not too late to remind you to remove any books from the November wiki which you did not finish by 12 midnight of 11/30 - except for rolling challenges which are just marked DNF (did not finish). Thanks!

Dec 1, 2019, 3:04am

>125 Morphidae: I plan never to do a sweep again. Life's too short to force myself to read books that don't interest me.

Edited: Dec 1, 2019, 4:10am

I never put books that didn't interest me on my monthly TIOLI TBR lists but my "eyes were bigger than my stomach" and I often was stressed out at the end of the month trying to get them all completed. It didn't make for a pleasant reading experience sometimes. I'm going back to "I read a book and if it fits into a challenge, great" method.

Dec 1, 2019, 4:14am

>131 Morphidae: Every month my eyes are bigger than my stomach.

Dec 1, 2019, 4:33am

>131 Morphidae: >132 Citizenjoyce: Me, too. No matter how many books I read, there are always some I don't get to. Sometimes they get read the next month, other times they get put aside until something makes me think of them again.

Dec 2, 2019, 5:09am

>130 Citizenjoyce: >131 Morphidae: >133 Dejah_Thoris: So far the books I picked just to complete a challenge for a sweep have been a pretty mixed bag, but then a fair amount of what I read prior to LT was pretty same-same, and I did a lot of re-reading. Now, there may be a few books a month that are outside anything I would have considered (Texas Two Step shows some promise for being ghastly) but it's interesting to see what's been going on outside my playpen the last 40 years.

Dec 2, 2019, 7:24pm

>134 quondame: reading a book just to join a challenge or share a read does often present some amazing opportunities that would have been missed if I were just reading whatever I thought up on my own.

Dec 2, 2019, 7:25pm

There may be other self challenges that could be less stressful than "sweeps".

I can barely ever complete a sweeplette, yet I find it fun to start with my own challenge (usually, but not always), then move along either forward or backward into another challenge if I can. That doesn't always work either. The point is, though, that I always read what I want to, mainly at random, with no rules about how quickly I read something or even if I finish it. That is why the NO GUILT rule is soem importnat to TIOLI.

I'm curious if others have a way of using TIOLI to help out with random reading as I do?

Dec 2, 2019, 8:25pm

>136 SqueakyChu:

I find my massive wishlist paralysing when it comes to choosing books, and TIOLI is a great help in actually picking something. :)

I tend to start the month by slotting in my "must read" self-challenge books. When I have finished those, I try to complete the remaining challenges. I never do, but that doesn't matter.

But I always try to have a book in *your* challenge, which I feel is a way of paying my TIOLI dues (though I must admit, I'm struggling with this month's, as I often do with 'cover' challenges).

Dec 2, 2019, 8:31pm

>137 lyzard: Yeah. My challenge turned out to be harder than I thought.In my mind, I was picturing books with a winter scene of a deer buck standing in the snow with his antlers proudly displayed. When I went to look for books with just such a cover, they did not exist! Oops!

Dec 2, 2019, 8:42pm

>138 SqueakyChu:

Who knew there were so many books with cows on the cover?? Not quite so majestic as your deer-in-snow, but still... :D

Few of the books I read actually have cover images, so I have to be very lucky or have time to go out on the hunt.

Dec 2, 2019, 9:00pm

>136 SqueakyChu: Like you, I'm never going to manage a sweep, but that doesn;t stop me enjoying the TIOLI challenges and community. I have managed a sweeplette a few times, but it's a very hit and miss thing and I'm not going to worry too much if I don't. I start by adding a book to my own challenge, as I've invariably got one in mind when I place the challenge. Then try to work through the challenges on the same page, in the hopes of a sweeplette, but I can't say I actively start seeking out books to fit if they're not heading to the top of my list already. It invariably takes too long for library reservations to arrive, so if I've not already got it reserved, or already borrowed to read or it's on the shelves, seeking a book out isn't going to work out within the month. I must have more missed shared reads than actual shared reads. >:-)

In December I might be going for the opposite of a sweep, with all my books in one challenge. I will clear the decks before the start of the year... I hope.

Dec 2, 2019, 2:23am

Because I read by categories for the Category Challenge, I often have books that do not fit the TIOLI Challenges. This is why I have built a TIOLI Category into my 2020 Challenge so if a TIOLI challenge comes up that I really want to read a book for, I have a place for it in my Category Challenge. (I know too many challenges!)

Dec 2, 2019, 2:28am

>141 DeltaQueen50: I sometimes look in on other challenges, but TIOLI has more than enough variety for me, especially if I'm doing a meta challenge variant.

Dec 2, 2019, 2:41am

>142 quondame: It should be enough for me as well but I am a challenge addict!

Dec 2, 2019, 3:16am

So...originally TIOLI was built up with three ideas in mind. No, I never, ever, could imagine such a thing as a "sweep".

First, I wanted others to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the kinds of books they read. We could accomplish that with different challenges. I was particularly happy when some of you took up my challenge to read manga/graphic novels. For many of you, that was your first experience with that form of book. Now that many of you are reading George Takei's book, I see that you are no longer afraid of that. :D

Second, I wanted others to share reads so that they could talk to each other about the books they read. I envisioned us visiting each other on our personal threads. As the years go by, I see we don't have that much time. We do that occasionally, but we also talk to each other about specific books on the TIOLI thread itself.

The last idea was to have NO GUILT about what we choose to read, what we choose not to read, or when we decide to bail on a book. Reading should always be fun and not stressful.

The TIOLI was NOT meant to be a competition. It was for that reason that the TIOLI meter was simply for counting books rather than speeding ahead of others. I want us to be reading with others instead of against others.

I think the spirit of TIOLI has been pretty steady throughout its existence. Speak up if there is something you don't like or something you want to change. We'll see what we can do.

Dec 2, 2019, 3:48am

>144 SqueakyChu: TIOLI has been a great joy to me over the past few years helping me to organize my reading and challenging me in new directions. Thank you for all the work you put into it.

Edited: Dec 2, 2019, 4:35am

>244 There is nothing inherently stressful about TIOLI. I get stressed about GoodRead challenges. I get stressed about self-created challenges. Challenges are stressful for me because I must...




But if I don't challenge myself I stay in a rut of comfort rereads.

ETA: Yes, I know I need to get my December challenge thread up. I'll do my best to get it completed tomorrow. I know pretty much what the challenges are, I just need to get them written down.

Dec 3, 2019, 12:59pm

I've tried various challenges in LT but I never seem to follow through with them including personal threads, but somehow I keep coming back to TIOLI. I have found many good books this way but also have committed to not reading books I don't enjoy. Although I don't "count" my books anymore I always print out the challenges and fill in the books as best I can and still enjoy listing a challenge now and then. I also have a better idea now of whose books might interest me and I often look up their suggestions by clicking on the titles. Keep up the good work, Madeline. It is always a pleasure at the end of the month to see the new challenges.

Dec 3, 2019, 1:26pm

I knew from day one I'd never accomplish a sweep. I can barely read 3 books a month let alone 6. However, I do enjoy seeing what others can do and often repetitively! It's inspirational to me but something I won't ever achieve.
I'm going to attempt a resolution for 2020. Usually, I already know which books I want to read that month and look for challenges to place them But I'd like to Go back to the days when I searched my shelves to fit a TIOLI challenge. Much more enjoyable for me back then. hahaha It seems a bit more adventurous that way and maybe even a little serendipitous.

Dec 3, 2019, 4:48pm

I like TIOLI because it helps me choose books from the towering Mt TBR for the challenge - it's always fun going along the shelves with the TIOLI list up on my phone, especially when trying to find something that'll fit one of the more obscure challenges ;-)

Dec 3, 2019, 4:50pm

I may not be sweeping every month any more, but I still search out books to fit Challenges - just not every Challenge. I find more and more often that the first part of the month I read books I find for myself and in the latter part of the month much of what I'm reading is shared reads. I really take a look what others are reading and have been trying to match up - that's where TIOLI has been stretching my reading of late. Like DeltaQueen50 Judy, I participate in some of the CATs and KITs over in the Category Challenge group, and it isn't always easy to find books that fit both - don't think, Judy, that I haven't noticed the helpful nature of many of your TIOLI Challenges!

I'm not much of a reading planner - every month as the Challenges go up, I figure out what books I COULD read for assorted challenges and then read as my whimsy takes me - and where I can get a shared read. There are always books left over, and there are always books posted late to challenges where I think "if only I'd seen that sooner, I would have read it, too!"

Edited: Dec 3, 2019, 6:28pm

>149 wandering_star: I also love when a book of mine fits an obscure challenge. That doesn't happen too often, though! :D

I totally love reading random books and kind of hate having planned reads. A strictly planned read pretty much guarantees that I'll never finish that book. :O

Dec 3, 2019, 9:10pm

>151 SqueakyChu: "A strictly planned read pretty much guarantees that I'll never finish that book. :O" Bingo! That is exactly what's been happening to me for the past 6 months or so. Time for me to shake it up

Dec 4, 2019, 6:30pm

>144 SqueakyChu: Thanks, once again, for all the time you spend on TIOLI, Madeline. It has become my "go to" thread every month, even more than my own threads, which I don't visit as often anymore except for recordkeeping purposes.

I love the start of a fresh new month's challenges and always try to put books into as many TIOLI categories as I can.

I love that I've found several people here whose taste in books is similar, except for sports books. I get many great ideas here from them and others, too.

I like the stretch (for me) challenges. I hate leaving things to chance but Morphy's recent challenges have been fun. I used to think that I wouldn't find anything for Paul's challenges but I like the challenge of finding something there.

I still laugh at how often I'll create my own challenge with a particular book in mind, but then get distracted by all the other challenges and don't finish the book I'd had in mind.

I also love that there's no guilt. I have to remind myself of that when I sign myself up for a match to someone else's book and then don't get to it.

Edited: Dec 4, 2019, 8:37pm

>153 lindapanzo: I love that I've found several people here whose taste in books is similar, except for sports books.

Any time you want to read a book about soccer, I'll join you! :D

Dec 4, 2019, 11:38pm

>153 lindapanzo: I still laugh at how often I'll create my own challenge with a particular book in mind, but then get distracted by all the other challenges and don't finish the book I'd had in mind.

Glad it's not just me!

Dec 4, 2019, 12:43am

>155 wandering_star:

That’s exactly what’s happening with me now! LOL!!

Dec 6, 2019, 1:41pm

>153 lindapanzo: That felt good to read this morning, especially with how badly I've been feeling because of how late I've been running with it this month.