Berly's Front Cover 2
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Talk 75 Books Challenge for 2022
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1Berly

Happy New Year!! For those of you who don't know me, I have been on LT and a 75er since December 2008. I have a great Hubby (who found LT for me) and 3 grown children. I like almost any book there is, but I tend more toward fiction. I currently work with my Hubby in our business which cleans industrial and storm water and brings it up to EPA standards. Particle removal, pH balancing, heavy metal decontamination, etc. He's a ChemE and I was a Neuroscience major, so I understand the science of our projects and can translate them into English for our customers (LOL); I also do the accounting and marketing -- you just don't want me to design the equipment! I have been a neuroscience lab researcher, an editor and writer, an advertising exec, and the Community Relations Mgr of the NBA MN Timberwolves as well as their 501C3 Director. Career path? NO! Eclectic and fun? YES! I am currently on a board for Literary Arts here in Portland, Oregon, and I also practice TKD (3rd degree BB).
2Berly

So many choices!! What should I read?
Reading Now
@ Before the Time Machine (K 169 pages) by Lisa M Lane LTER
@ Saving Time (π§ 13 hours) by Jodi Taylor
@ The Thursday Murder Club (B 372 pages) by Richard Osman
After that...
@ Good Talk (GN 357 pages) by Mira Jacobs
@ Everything Inside by Edwidge Danticat
? Winesburg, Ohio by Sherwood Anderson, Group read in March
β Buried in Secret (K) by Viveca Sten, Group read in March
β Harlem Shuffle by Colson Whitehead with Mark in April
? White Album by Joan Didion with LovingLit, March or April
β The Orchardist (B 429 pages) by Amanda Coplin
β Minor Feelings Cathy Park Hong for Literary Arts 1/27/22
Source
IR = Indiespensable Readers
LTER = LibraryThing Early Reviewer
β = Off the shelf (not acquired this year)
L = Library
β© = Reread
@ = Acquired this year
β = DNF
? = Need to get
Media
B = Printed Book
π§ = Audio
K = Kindle
GN = Graphic Novel
3Berly

Read in February ?? pages / ?? π§ hours
2021 Total // pages / ?? π§ hours
21. L The Reincarnationist Papers by Eric Maikranz 3.5
20. The Orphan Daughter (π§ 5/10 hrs) by Cari Nova -- DNF
19. β Thirty Names of Night (B 310 pages) by Zeyn Joukhadar (w/ Ellen, Beth and Joe) 2.5
18. β American Pharaoh (π§ 8.5 hrs) by Joe Drape 3.0
β€οΈ @ The Girl With the Louding Voice (B 382 pages) by Abi DarΓ© 4.5
β€οΈ β The Vanishing Half (B 343 pages) by Brit Bennet for Literary Arts, 2/7 Bookclub 5.0
β€οΈ. β How to Give Up Plastic (B 212 pages) by Will McCallum 4.5
14. @ How We Eat: The Brave New World of Food and Drink (π§ 7.5 hrs) by Paco Underhill 3.0
13. @ No Way Back (K 301 pages) by J.B. Turner 2.5
Read in January ?? pages / ?? π§ hours
2021 Total // pages / ?? π§ hours
12. β The Spires (K 50/313 pages) by Kate Moretti DNF
11. @ Deconstructed (K 311 pages) by Liz Talley 3.75
10. @ The Shape Shifter (π§ 7 hours) by Tony Hillerman 3.0
9. @ If You Ask Me (π§ 2.25 hours) by Betty White 3.0
8. @ Being Seen (π§ 6.5 hours) by Elsa Sjunneson 4.0
7. β The Sentence (B 386 pages) by Louise Erdrich, 1/19 Bookclub 4.5
6. β All Systems Red (π§ 3.25 hours) Murderbot Series by Martha Wells 4.5
β€οΈ β These Precious Days (π§ 11.25 hours) by Ann Patchett 5.0
4. @ Cove (B 97 pages) by Cynan Jones 4.0
3. β The Zig Zag Girl (K 338 pages) by Ellie Griffiths 3.5
2. β Red Clocks (B 357 pages) by Leni Zumas, INDIEspensable group read, January 4.0
1. β The Good Daughter (π§ 18 hours) by Karen Slaughter 3.0
Ratings
β€οΈ Favorite(s) of the month
Loved it! 5.0
Really Good 4.0
Good 3.0
Hmmmm 2.0
Don't Bother 1.0
4Berly

I can't resist buying books!!
I seem to manage to read around 50% of my newbies, except in 2019 where I (ahem) added a few more books to my collection than normal. But then in 2020 I killed it and read almost 75% of my newbies!!
2017 47/85
2018 45/88
2019 45/128
2020 78/103
2021 50/105
Let's see how I do this year...
2022 9/15 Read
β Cove by Cynan Jones
β Being Seen by Elsa Sjunneson *
β How We Eat: The Brave New World of Food and Drink by Paco Underhill *
β The Shape Shifter by Tony Hillerman *
β Deconstructed: A Novel by Liz Talley *
β If You Ask Me by Betty White *
β No Way Back by J.B. Turner *
β The Girl with the Louding Voice by Abi DarΓ©
9. Everything Inside by Edwidge Danticat
10. The Searcher by Tana French
11. The Thursday Murder Club by Richard Osman
β Good Talk by Mira Jacobs
13. Saving Time by Jodi Taylor
14. Before the Time Machine by Lisa M Lane, LTER *
15. The Last House of Needless Street by Catriona Ward
β Read
* Free or gift
5Berly

2022 Books Off The Shelf
So, here is my idea for reading more of the books I already own...wish me luck!
Using dice...
First roll -- even for upstairs or odd for downstairs
Second roll* -- which pile/bookshelf
Third roll* -- count this many books in
* Random 1 or 2 dice because I have more than 6, but don't want to leave out "1"
1. Downstairs, Second Shelf, 3rd book
The Orchardist (B 432 pages) by Amanda Coplin
6Berly

Random LT group reads
February - Thirty Names of Night by Zeyn Joukhadar with Ellen
March - Winesburg, Ohio by Sherwood Anderson
RL Book Club #1
β February - The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennett
April - The Book of Hope: A Survival Guide for Trying Times by Jane Goodall and Douglas Abrams
June - Dava Shastri's Last Day by Kirthana Ramisetti
August - A Children's Bible: A Novel by Lydia Millet
October - The Dictionary of Lost Words: A Novel by Pip Williams
And other books we didn't choose, but which sound good to me. I'm going to fit them in the off months...
Sunflower Sisters by Martha Hall Kelly
Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders
State of Terror by Louise Penny and Hilary Rodham Clinton
Our Country Friends by Gary Shteyngart
Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel
RL Book Club #2
β February - The Sentence by Louise Erdrich
Family Bookclub
β January - Swimming Lessons by Claire Fuller
February - The Reincarnationist Papers by D. Eric Mainkranz
Literary Arts
January 27, 2022 -- Cathy Park Hong Minor Feelings
β February 17, 2022 -- Britt Bennet The Vanishing Half , The Mothers
April 21, 2022 -- Richard Powers The Overstory, Bewilderment
β May 12, 2022 -- Edwidge Danticat Everything Inside
7Berly

Powell's Indiespensable Readers
Hubby signed me up for this (Thank you!!). Over the years I have received over 90 installments (some with two or three books), and I haven't read all the books yet. Not even close!
Let me know if any books interest you (ones I haven't read yet).
2022 Challenge
β January -- Red Clocks by Leni Zumas with Beth, Ellen, Stasia, Bill, Paul
February -- Moonglow by Michael Chabon with Mark, Stasia, Karen (witchyrichy) and ??
March -- Here I Am by Jonathan Safran Foer with Stasia and ??
April -- The Intuitionist by Colson Whitehead with ???
Other 2022 potential reads so far....
Your Duck is My Duck by Deborah Eisenberg
The Blazing World by Siri Hustvedt
A Constellation of Vital Phenomena by Anthony Marra
The Heart's Invisible Furies by John Boyne
The Topeka School by Ben Lerner
The complete list can be found here and I'd love to have more friends join me in group reads! Other suggestions?
https://www.librarything.com/topic/336987#n7662792
8Berly

1) Catalogued downstairs "already-read" shelves -- Done!! Whoohoo!

2) Now on to Upstairs TBR stacks!!
1/24/22 Half of the piles in my bedroom, up to L
1/25/22 Done!! Yippee!
3) Now the downstairs TBR bookcase...
1/23/22 1/6 shelves
2/2/22 (Great date number!) I finished!!!
4) Next is the kids' books....

Books Freed = 60!!! as of 2/6/22
After being closed for two years, Powell's is open again for used books drop-offs! I used the online version instead of braving the long lines at the stores; they only wanted 7 of my books, but I made $15 bucks to spend on more books and they paid for shipping! LOL. I only found 3 duplicates and the rest are books I've read but don't feel the need to keep. And they were picked over by local friends and family first before donating to Goodwill. ; )
9Berly
2021 Fiction
β€οΈOnce There Were Wolves by Charlotte McConaghy
A Bad Day for Sunshine by Darynda Jones
The House in the Cerulean Sea TJ Klune
Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro
Fledgling by Octavia Butler
Outland by Dennis E Taylor
Voyagers in Time by Robert Silverberg
Anxious People by Fredrik Backman
Shelter by Harlan Coben
2021 Non-Fiction
β€οΈ When Breath Becomes Air by Paul Kalantithi
Untamed: The Wildest Woman in America and the Fight for Cumberland Island Will Harlan
Becoming Nicole: The inspiring story of transgender actor-activist Nicole Maines and her extraordinary family by Amy Ellis Nutt
Caste: The Origins of Our Discontent by Isabel Wilkerson
Themes and Variations Essay by David Sedaris
10Berly
I am going to try and keep track of series I am currently enjoying here:
Series/Author/Next Book
Bobiverse / Dennis E. Taylor / #5 not yet published
Bridgerton / Julia Quinn / #3 An Offer From A Gentleman
Cormoran Strike Series / Robert Galbraith / #6 Not yet published
Quantum Earth / Dennis E. Taylor / #2 not yet published
Kinsey Millhone Mystery Series / Sue Grafton / Read ABCDEFQX / Next G is for
Kopp Series / Amy Stewart / #2 Lady Cop Makes Trouble
Mickey Bolitar / Harlen Coben / #4 not yet published
Murderbot Diaries / Martha Wells #2
Sandham Murders / Viveca Sten / #10 Buried in Secret / release date Jan 2022
Sunshine Vicram / Darynda Jones / #3 A Hard Day for a Hangover Dec 2022
Sweep Series / Ilona Andrews / #6 not yet published
The Chronicles of St Mary's / Jodi Taylor / #6 What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
The Time Police / Jodi Taylor #3 due out in 2022
11Berly


I am still working my way through How To Give Up Plastic. It's slow going because I am not only trying to read it but make small changes in my lifestyle and that is not easy. I plan to keep updating this as I make these changes.
450 years for a plastic bottle to break down in the ocean
114* years since first plastic was invented
90 percent of seabirds have plastic in their stomachs
80 percent of plastic in the ocean originates on land
59* years since the first plastic bag was created
1 rubbish truck of plastics enters the ocean every minute
We typically use a plastic bag for less than 15 minutes
Most tampons have plastic in them
*(+3 years since publication)
Things I was already doing
Carry reusable shopping bags
Reuse packaging and don't overwrap (I have a whole closet of boxes and packing material I recycle)
Use recyclable paper and cardboard instead of styrofoam packing material
Buy my veggies in cardboard crates instead of plastic containers whenever possible
Use a home soda maker with reusable bottle
Dishwasher detergent (Planet)
Silicone and beeswax dish toppers/wraps
Garbage Bags (Simple Truth, Seventh Generation)
Recently started
Keeping a reusable water bottle and cup in the car
And a reusable utensil kit in my glove compartment
And a reusable metal straw
Switched to Pela for my compostable phone case instead of plastic
Next steps (Author or Fellow LTer's brand suggestions!)
*Transitioning from liquid soap, shower gels and shampoo to solid versions not packaged in plastic. This one may be a bit harder for me with my skin allergies, but I am going to try. Lush brands come recommended by the author. I am using up what I have left and then I will try to make the switch. (Lush, Ethique, Silver Falls Sustainability Company)
*Change my toilet paper brand to get rid of plastic packaging and find more easily recycled or replenishable paper like bamboo. (Who Gives A Crap (LOL), Pure Planet, Ecoleaf, and Seventh Generation)
*Same for paper towels. Or switch to cloth.
* Paper Towels (Marley's Monsters)
*Laundry detergent sheets (TruEarth, Kind, Dropps, Amway SA8)
*Cleaning Supplies (TruEarth)
*Deoderant (BITE, Wild, Silver Falls Sustainability Company, Earth Conscious Natural Deodorant Stick)
Toothpaste (BITE)
*Tampons (Daye)
* Composter ???
*Ridwell for recycling things. The regular categories of things they take are plastic film (including all those pesky plastic shipping bags), threads (old clothes, worn-out shoes, destroyed stuffed animals -- stuff Goodwill etc. can't use), batteries and light bulbs, and they have rotating featured categories every few weeks. They will also take styrofoam, but it's an additional fee each time you have them collect a large bag.
About halfway through, so more to come. I really recommend this book!! And again, thank you for all the vendor suggestions. : )
12BLBera
I love your plastic-reducing ideas, TwinK.
I hope you're feeling better.
Oh, happy new thread.
I hope you're feeling better.
Oh, happy new thread.
13richardderus
*smooch*
Because.
Because.
14Berly
>12 BLBera: Hi TwinB! Today is off to a rough start with a headache again. Thank goodness I don't usually get them! My brother gets migraines and I have new sympathy for him.
I hope to keep making changes as I run out of my usual brands and will keep adding to this plastic-reducing list. : )
I hope to keep making changes as I run out of my usual brands and will keep adding to this plastic-reducing list. : )
15Berly
>13 richardderus: Good enough reason for me!! Smooch.
16Berly

My space bar on my computer only works if I tap it on the left side with my left thumb and it is taking me forever to relearn how to type!! LOL. So forgive my short answers!!
17Familyhistorian
Happy new thread, Kim. Good luck with your wonky computer and your quest to eliminate plastic.
18richardderus
>16 Berly: Time for a new device!
20ffortsa
>11 Berly: an acquaintance gifted me a roll of Who Gives A Crap, and it's quite nice, better than the bamboo ones I've tried (they sell bamboo too, but I like the recycled material). And it comes in paper wrappers. But the smallest order is 24 rolls, which I will struggle to find storage for.
21AMQS
Happy new thread! And thanks for keeping the plastic-reducing ideas coming! I've researched the silicone lid toppers and will probably buy. I love that they'll work even for pieces of fruit - we always have a cut lemon in the fridge! I usually try to put it cut-side down in a dish but my husband seems unconscious even at his age about food needing to be covered/sealed in a refrigerator (he's particularly bad about cheese).
22foggidawn
Happy new thread! I'm trying out the laundry detergent strips once I run out of my current detergent (I have maybe two more loads of that), partly inspired by your plastic-reduction goals.
26curioussquared
Happy new thread! I may be interested in joining you in reading The Intuitionist in April :)
27weird_O
Great to see a new thread, Kim. I'd join you in reading Moonglow, but I did that last year. 'Twas excellent. Maybe the Whitehead, eh?
Hope the headache will leave you (heh...with a head sans ache). I've been ruminating today. The cud I'm chewing is The Lincoln Highway. It is taking me more days to chew it than it took me to read it (3).
Hope the headache will leave you (heh...with a head sans ache). I've been ruminating today. The cud I'm chewing is The Lincoln Highway. It is taking me more days to chew it than it took me to read it (3).
29johnsimpson
Hi Kim my dear, happy new thread and so sorry to hear that you are not too well at the moment my dear friend. Sending special Yorkshire healing love and hugs to you and love and hugs to the rest of the family from both of us my very dear friend.
30msf59
Happy New Thread, Kimmers! My library has a copy of Moonglow so I should be a go, toward the end of next month. I hope you can bookhorn it in.
31Berly
>17 Familyhistorian: Thanks! I am going to need help with both of them! : )
>18 richardderus: No, not yet. I'd rather spend my money on other things. Icanteachmyleftthumb.Really.
>19 katiekrug: Thanks. It's taking a bit to get over this COVID thing. Mostly just tired and thank goodness no more muscle-cramping shivers!!
>18 richardderus: No, not yet. I'd rather spend my money on other things. Icanteachmyleftthumb.Really.
>19 katiekrug: Thanks. It's taking a bit to get over this COVID thing. Mostly just tired and thank goodness no more muscle-cramping shivers!!
32Berly
>20 ffortsa: "Who Gives A Crap" is the toilet paper I am leaning towards (for the name if nothing else!), but 24 is a lot of rolls. My son and his girlfriend are moving back in shortly, so I will need to go up in quantity. Can you share an order with a neighbor?
>21 AMQS: I have the silicone lids in several sizes for food storage and I also use it to prevent food splatters in the microwave. LOL about your husband. We all have our faults. ; )
>21 AMQS: I have the silicone lids in several sizes for food storage and I also use it to prevent food splatters in the microwave. LOL about your husband. We all have our faults. ; )
33Berly
>22 foggidawn: Thanks and yay! I have a relatively full bottle of liquid detergent so you will probably get to the strips before I do. Let me know what you think!
>23 drneutron: Hiya Doc!
>24 FAMeulstee: Hi and thanks. The list is a work in progress, but every bit helps.
>23 drneutron: Hiya Doc!
>24 FAMeulstee: Hi and thanks. The list is a work in progress, but every bit helps.
34Berly
>25 jessibud2: Thank you. Today is a meh day, which is better than Sunday was, so I'll take it. I just feel bad because I am barely keeping up with my own thread let alone visiting others. But I'll get there. Be patient with me! : )
>26 curioussquared: Oh! I hope you do! Love to have you join in The Intuitionist April read. I'll add your name to my list up above to I can remind you. ; )
>26 curioussquared: Oh! I hope you do! Love to have you join in The Intuitionist April read. I'll add your name to my list up above to I can remind you. ; )
35Berly
>27 weird_O: Well, you are welcome to chime in with comments and I hope you join us for another one you haven't read, too!
Since you've posted the The Lincoln Highway comment right after the headaches (although you did "sans"), does that mean you didn't like it? Or, since cows like to chew their cud, does that mean you enjoyed it and it is though provoking?

Which led me to research cud. I didn't know that cows like to lie down when they are chewing their cud. Actually there is a lot I don't know about cows and cud.
And for more on this article by The College of Agriculture, Food and the Environment, go here -- https://afs.ca.uky.edu/content/why-do-cattle-chew-their-cud
Since you've posted the The Lincoln Highway comment right after the headaches (although you did "sans"), does that mean you didn't like it? Or, since cows like to chew their cud, does that mean you enjoyed it and it is though provoking?

Which led me to research cud. I didn't know that cows like to lie down when they are chewing their cud. Actually there is a lot I don't know about cows and cud.
Dairy cows spend almost 8 hours a day chewing their cuds for a total of almost 30,000 chews daily. It can be said that a content cow is one who is seen chewing her cud. In reality, there is quite a bit of truth in this statement. When cows chew their cuds they secrete saliva. This saliva contains a natural antacid which helps to buffer the rumen or first compartment of the stomach. Proper buffering of the rumen allows a cow to digest forages better and to eat more feed which helps her produce more milk.
And for more on this article by The College of Agriculture, Food and the Environment, go here -- https://afs.ca.uky.edu/content/why-do-cattle-chew-their-cud
36magicians_nephew
My MacBook decided today that it didn't want to let me enter a lower case "d" unfortunate since a lower case "d" looms large in my logon password.
Happily a little alcohol on a lint free swab soon put everything right again . (for now)
Happily a little alcohol on a lint free swab soon put everything right again . (for now)
37Berly
>28 mstrust: Hi! Nice to see you! One of these days I'll have enough energy to make return visits. I promise.
>29 johnsimpson: Thank you for those wonderful hugs. Much appreciated. : )
>30 msf59: I am up for it!! And towards the end of the month is probably when I will manage to get to Moonglow, too. I'll set up a thread soon.
>29 johnsimpson: Thank you for those wonderful hugs. Much appreciated. : )
>30 msf59: I am up for it!! And towards the end of the month is probably when I will manage to get to Moonglow, too. I'll set up a thread soon.
38Berly
>36 magicians_nephew: Ihopeyourfixworks,especiallysince"d"isinyourpassword. : )
Obviously, I have to work on mine...
Obviously, I have to work on mine...
39lauralkeet
I've been lurking through the plastics discussion and wanted to let you know how helpful all the suggestions have been.
I've ordered Ethique shampoo, conditioner, and moisturizer, and an assortment of silicone rounds. My daughter recommended Dropps for dishwasher detergent, so I signed up for a subscription and the first batch arrived today. I'm following the toilet paper discussion with interest (that's something I never thought I'd write LOL).
After some research, I bought Seventh Generation kitchen trash bags. I can't avoid using bags entirely, so at least I can buy responsibly.
It's a start, and I'll keep making changes as I run low on something. I'm focused mostly on personal care and cleaning products at the moment, but this thread keeps making me aware of other plastic uses that I need to examine.
I've ordered Ethique shampoo, conditioner, and moisturizer, and an assortment of silicone rounds. My daughter recommended Dropps for dishwasher detergent, so I signed up for a subscription and the first batch arrived today. I'm following the toilet paper discussion with interest (that's something I never thought I'd write LOL).
After some research, I bought Seventh Generation kitchen trash bags. I can't avoid using bags entirely, so at least I can buy responsibly.
It's a start, and I'll keep making changes as I run low on something. I'm focused mostly on personal care and cleaning products at the moment, but this thread keeps making me aware of other plastic uses that I need to examine.
40witchyrichy
Happy new thread! And sending healing thoughts to you.
I almost always end up wearing the paint off the space bars of my laptops...I evidently hit it at the same spot with sufficient force and over time wear a spot. I feel a little sorry for my space bars.
>35 Berly: As for cows, did you know 7% of Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows? Source
41Berly
>39 lauralkeet: Hi there! I have been using Simple Truth garbage bags which say they are compostable, but now that I read the fine print, it says only in commercially compostable facilities, and how does that work if the bags are filled with garbage? Would it be better to use the post consumer recycled bags from Seventh Generation? Hmmmm. I am about to start the chapter on "Giving up Plastic in the Kitchen" so I hope I find the answer....
Let me know how the Drops DW detergent goes. And I am glad you are avidly following the TP discussion. ; )
Let me know how the Drops DW detergent goes. And I am glad you are avidly following the TP discussion. ; )
42Berly
>40 witchyrichy: Your poor little space bar. But yours is like getting grey hair and mine is paralyzed! LOL
Please tell me you are kidding about the chocolate milk thing?! It will break me to think that people are that stupid.
Please tell me you are kidding about the chocolate milk thing?! It will break me to think that people are that stupid.
43PaulCranswick
Yay to new thread!
Boo hiss to migraines and difficult keyboards.
Boo hiss to migraines and difficult keyboards.
44Berly

Catalogued downstairs "already-read" shelves -- Done!! Whoohoo!

Only half the TBR stacks show in the picture and let's not forget the "TBR right now" piles by my night table, but the upstairs is all done!! Yippee!
Now on to the Downstairs TBR bookcase...
1 of 6 shelves complete 1/23/22
45Berly
>42 Berly: Spot on, Paul. : )
46LovingLit
>16 Berly: well that's annoying; now that I am typing, I can see that I *always* use my right thumb to enter a space.
>44 Berly: you got to 'Z'! I just saw the movie of The Book Thief- mainly to see the lead actor, who is also in Yellowjackets (my new favourite series). I have to say that the book didnt grab me as hard as it did other readers around here. The whole 'narrated by death' thing doesn't sit well with my inability to read fantastical things ;)
>44 Berly: you got to 'Z'! I just saw the movie of The Book Thief- mainly to see the lead actor, who is also in Yellowjackets (my new favourite series). I have to say that the book didnt grab me as hard as it did other readers around here. The whole 'narrated by death' thing doesn't sit well with my inability to read fantastical things ;)
47Berly
>46 LovingLit: See what I mean? LOL. I am having the worst time hitting the space bar with my left thumb.
Yes! I finished logging in my "read" books. Now I am on my TBR piles. And I loved The Book Thief but not every book is for everyone. Now I will have to check out the movie. Also I left you book thoughts on your thread. : )
Yes! I finished logging in my "read" books. Now I am on my TBR piles. And I loved The Book Thief but not every book is for everyone. Now I will have to check out the movie. Also I left you book thoughts on your thread. : )
48LovingLit
>47 Berly: lol, I think I was editing my post when you commented back....the DFW essays are not available at my library :(
I was wondering about Joan Didion??!
I was wondering about Joan Didion??!
49BLBera
Wooo - you are zipping along with the cataloguing. Kudos! I hope the head is better. When you are done, you can come and help me. :)
50figsfromthistle
Happy new thread!
I read how to give up plastic last year. I found that I was already doing quite a bit to keep my plastic use down. Ultimately, I think that government regulation of plastic use is necessary. Many countries have great solutions for recycling and reusing as well that is relatively easy to implement.
>44 Berly: I love seeing other peoples book stacks!
I read how to give up plastic last year. I found that I was already doing quite a bit to keep my plastic use down. Ultimately, I think that government regulation of plastic use is necessary. Many countries have great solutions for recycling and reusing as well that is relatively easy to implement.
>44 Berly: I love seeing other peoples book stacks!
51Berly
>49 BLBera: I am trying!! But, no, I can't help you yet. After cataloguing all my stuff is all the kids books. LOL
>50 figsfromthistle: Yes, some government impetus would help. Also, simple things, like milk containers going back to simple cardboard with no plastic circular pour inserts.
Yay!
Boo!
>50 figsfromthistle: Yes, some government impetus would help. Also, simple things, like milk containers going back to simple cardboard with no plastic circular pour inserts.
Yay!
Boo!52richardderus
>51 Berly: I get my milk in a recyclable plastic jug because it's never once blown up, the way the cardboard ones used to. Plus that is the only way they come to commercial food-service facilities.
But the waxed-cardboard ones aren't so great from a tree-cuttin' standpoint....
But the waxed-cardboard ones aren't so great from a tree-cuttin' standpoint....
53Berly
>52 richardderus: But can't they make the cardboard from recycled cardboard? I mean what can they do with the plastic insert thingy? The jugs are probably more recyclable even though they use much more plastic.
54richardderus
>53 Berly: Nope. Things with people-food in 'em aren't allowed to be made from downcycled materials. And sometimes aren't allowed to be recycled, depending on how the downcycling of that material is accomplished.
55Berly
You're right. Also there is the question of transportation, etc. The answer is not easy.
https://slate.com/technology/2011/03/should-i-buy-milk-in-glass-plastic-or-cardb...
And I have to keep reading my book.
https://slate.com/technology/2011/03/should-i-buy-milk-in-glass-plastic-or-cardb...
And I have to keep reading my book.
57richardderus
>55 Berly: The obvious answer is glass...local dairies using endlessly recycleable, sterilizable glass. But that means going back to the old-fashioned delivery method...which, in the computer-controlled just-in-time delivery world, ought to be a doddle.
58Berly
>56 banjo123: Hi Rhonda! Thanks. : )
>57 richardderus: Yes, glass is much heavier and costs way more in terms of transportation. Unfortunately. Unless milk is produced locally and bottled in glass and then does not have a large transportation distance. You would think we could pull this off, right?
>57 richardderus: Yes, glass is much heavier and costs way more in terms of transportation. Unfortunately. Unless milk is produced locally and bottled in glass and then does not have a large transportation distance. You would think we could pull this off, right?
59lauralkeet
>58 Berly: Locally grown and/or produced food: what a concept! Not long ago I saw a television ad for California milk, touting it as supposedly better than milk produced anywhere else in the US and therefore worth the cost and environmental impact of transportation all over the country. I mean, come on. It's milk.
I was pleased to see my library has How to Give up Plastic and have requested it. For the sake of the planet I wish there was a hold queue, but for my own reading purposes I'm glad there isn't.
I was pleased to see my library has How to Give up Plastic and have requested it. For the sake of the planet I wish there was a hold queue, but for my own reading purposes I'm glad there isn't.
60msf59
I love the plastic conversation, Kim. I definitely could do better. How about April for Harlem Shuffle? I already have 2 shared reads for both Feb & Mar.
62Berly
>59 lauralkeet: And milk is good, but not that good! Wow. Gotta love advertising. I am glad you will be reading How to give Up Plastic, too! And, yes, I kinda wish there was a long queue to check it out.
>60 msf59: Every little bit helps, Mark. : ) April, May...later is better for Harlem Shuffle
>61 jnwelch: Hi Joe! Great to see you here and glad you are entertained when you come here. : )
>60 msf59: Every little bit helps, Mark. : ) April, May...later is better for Harlem Shuffle
>61 jnwelch: Hi Joe! Great to see you here and glad you are entertained when you come here. : )
63Berly

Being Seen: One Deafblind Woman's Fight to End Ableism by Elsa Sjunneson 4.0
Very interesting book. As if two disabilities weren't enough, the abuse, discrimination and unnecessary obstacles in her way...amazing. Sjunneson grew up in a family unafraid to protest (her father was gay and died from AIDS) and she has continued to use this strength to stand up against ableism. Do I agree with all of her points? No, but many of them and I learned a lot. I enjoyed her amazing vocabulary and obvious intelligence as well as her snarky tone and fighting spirit. Worth reading.
64Berly

If You Ask Me by Betty White 3.25
A short book, filled with Betty's thoughts and observations on a variety of subjects. I listened to it on audio and loved hearing her voice one more time. : )
65witchyrichy
>42 Berly: Sorry...thought I included the link in the post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/15/seven-percent-of-american...
66Berly

The Shape Shifter by Tony Hillerman 3.0
Retirement has never sat well with former Navajo Tribal Police Lieutenant Joe Leaphorn. Now the ghosts of a still-unsolved case are returning to haunt him, reawakened by a photograph in a magazine spread of a one-of-a-kind Navajo rug, a priceless work of woven art that was supposedly destroyed in a suspicious fire many years earlier. The rug, commemorating one of the darkest and most terrible chapters in American history, was always said to be cursed, and now the friend who brought it to Leaphorn's attention has mysteriously gone missing. With newly wedded officers Jim Chee and Bernie Manuelito just back from their honeymoon, the legendary ex-lawman is on his own to pick up the threads of a crime he'd once thought impossible to untangle. And they're leading him back into a world of lethal greed, shifting truths, and changing faces, where a cold-blooded killer still resides.
A quick, fun mystery with a favorite character. Once again, love the audio with George Guidall.
67Berly
>65 witchyrichy: Okay, now I am depressed. This is crazy!!
68BLBera
I listened to some of the Hillerman books years ago with George Guidall reading, and I thought he was great.
The problem with the all cardboard milk carton is I can never get the darned things open. :(
It would be fun to listen to Betty White.
The problem with the all cardboard milk carton is I can never get the darned things open. :(
It would be fun to listen to Betty White.
69Berly
>68 BLBera: The Hillerman books with Guidall narrating are a solid read.
Yeah. I am not sure there is an easy answer on the milk container subject.
At some point, I will probably listen to another one of her essay books. She was intelligent and fun.
Go Rafa!!
Yeah. I am not sure there is an easy answer on the milk container subject.
At some point, I will probably listen to another one of her essay books. She was intelligent and fun.
Go Rafa!!
70richardderus
Happy Humpday's reads, Kimmers, and a side order of back-to-local foods.
71Berly
Happy humpday to you! I think you should check out Being Seen up in >63 Berly:. After we eat the side order of back-to-locals food, of course. In Oregon, that would be either wine or Marionberry pie. : )
72humouress
I'm finally catching up with you Kim.
I'm glad you're both feeling better now. And it looks like your cataloguing is going well.
It's ironic that the plastic shopping bag was invented as a cheap, reusable item. Unfortunately, it looks like if we reduce one pollutant, we end up increasing another. The best thing to do is reduce ... but I'm one to talk.
I'm glad you're both feeling better now. And it looks like your cataloguing is going well.
It's ironic that the plastic shopping bag was invented as a cheap, reusable item. Unfortunately, it looks like if we reduce one pollutant, we end up increasing another. The best thing to do is reduce ... but I'm one to talk.
73jessibud2
Kim, I have a book that at first I thought was the same one as you are reading (about plastic). But I finally found where I put it and it's called Living Without Plastic by Brigitte Allen and Christine Wong. It was in the tbr piles but I think you have inspired me to crack it open now! It was published in 2020 and is in mint condition. I have no recall of buying it, lol!
74richardderus
>71 Berly: ...hm? Lo siento, seΓ±ora, no hablo el ingles.
75EllaTim
Hi Kim! Interesting discussion. Living without plastic. I try but it is really hard. And then there are the microplastics in deodorant or toothpaste. How to avoid those? Kudos to you for trying.
Thanks for visiting my thread. I completely understand how hard it can be to keep up with everyone here. And especially when not feeling well. Iβm finding it hard as well.
Thanks for visiting my thread. I completely understand how hard it can be to keep up with everyone here. And especially when not feeling well. Iβm finding it hard as well.
77SirThomas
Happy new thread, Kim!
And all the best wishes for you your health and your plastic-reducing-goal - we are also trying to get rid of it a little bit.
Since I also have Moonglow on the shelf, I look forward to your thread about it....
YAY for your cataloguing - you will make it!
And all the best wishes for you your health and your plastic-reducing-goal - we are also trying to get rid of it a little bit.
Since I also have Moonglow on the shelf, I look forward to your thread about it....
YAY for your cataloguing - you will make it!
78Berly
>72 humouress: I know. Reduce is the best. And no takeout, because they use all sorts of little plastic containers. But we had Chez JosΓ© last night. It was so good!!
79Berly
>73 jessibud2: Awesome! You'll have to let me know if it is helpful. : )
>74 richardderus: Oh sure. Come over here and hit me with book bullets but dodge the ones for you! : P
>74 richardderus: Oh sure. Come over here and hit me with book bullets but dodge the ones for you! : P
80Berly
>75 EllaTim: As you can see by my dinner last night, it is hard to go without plastic, but I am trying and every little bit helps.
I haven't tried it (and I can't because it has coconut in it) but BITE toothpaste doesn't have any plastic in it. And they have a deodorant.
>76 bell7: Thank you! Happy Thursday.
I haven't tried it (and I can't because it has coconut in it) but BITE toothpaste doesn't have any plastic in it. And they have a deodorant.
>76 bell7: Thank you! Happy Thursday.
81Berly
>77 SirThomas: Slow steps getting back to healthy and getting rid of plastic!!
Yay! I am glad you will join us for Moonglow.
I am happy to have made some progress on the cataloguing. It's been a while since I did any. : )
Yay! I am glad you will join us for Moonglow.
I am happy to have made some progress on the cataloguing. It's been a while since I did any. : )
82Berly

So I placed my first order for Who Gives A Crap toilet paper and plan to share some with my kids. I'll let you all know what I think when it gets here. Look -- it's not wrapped in plastic!
83Berly

And I ordered some TruEarth laundry sheets. Went with unscented and hoping it works with my skin sensitivities. This one should arrive today...
It came! Doing my first load....
Came out nice and clean. : )
Now I just have to wear something and make sure I don't have any allergy problems.
85AMQS
Hi Kim! We actually do have our milk delivered from a local dairy! Not in glass bottles, unfortunately, but they have these heavy-duty plastic bottles that we have to rinse and return and they are sterilized and then used over and over. We've done this for almost 20 years. They deliver weekly and you can have a standing order and also customize before 7:00 pm the night before delivery. They're the most reliable service EVER. Our trash & recycling is often skipped because of snow or other weather, our mail is skipped for the same reason (or staffing shortages) but the milk has never, ever been late. It's delivered sometime between 2-4 am I think.
We got the order of the Ethique shampoo - that was fast! It's for my husband, so no word yet on how it is.
We got the order of the Ethique shampoo - that was fast! It's for my husband, so no word yet on how it is.
86Berly
>85 AMQS: That is awesome! And I am jealous. I want to take a look and see if my local dairies have this as an option. Yay! Let me know what he thinks of the shampoo...
87MickyFine
>83 Berly: I've been using TruEarth laundry strips (and their wool dryer balls) for over a year now and really like them. I also use their cleaning solution strips (mix with water in the spray bottle of your choice and bam! bathroom/kitchen cleaner) and like those as well.
88lauralkeet
I ordered toilet paper yesterday Kim! Isnβt this exciting LOL.
Making a note or TruEarth for cleaning solutions the next time I need to replenish.
Making a note or TruEarth for cleaning solutions the next time I need to replenish.
89Berly

And for our next group read of a Powell's INDIEspensable book, please join us for Moonglow by Michael Chabon.
"Moonglow unfolds as the deathbed confession of a man the narrator refers to only as "my grandfather." It is a tale of madness, of war and adventure, of sex and marriage and desire, of existential doubt and model rocketry, of the shining aspirations and demonic underpinnings of American technological accomplishment at midcentury, and, above all, of the destructive impact--and the creative power--of keeping secrets and telling lies."--Dust jacket.
"a fictionalized memoir of his maternal grandfather, based on his deathbed confessions under the influence of powerful painkillers in Chabon's mother's California home in 1989." --Wikipedia
https://www.librarything.com/topic/339114#n7739156
90Berly
>87 MickyFine: Oooh! Good to know about the cleaning solutions. I need to go through my cabinets and see what needs replacing, although waste not want not, I will probably use up what I already have. Then hopefully I can reuse the spray bottles and just get the TruEarth strips to make new solutions.
>88 lauralkeet: Who knew TP could be this exciting? LOL. What brand did you get? You'll have to give us a full report once you use it. : )
>88 lauralkeet: Who knew TP could be this exciting? LOL. What brand did you get? You'll have to give us a full report once you use it. : )
91lauralkeet
>90 Berly: The same brand that you bought! We'll be giving a crap together. Ewww.
92Berly
>91 lauralkeet: Ummm....TMI? Huge grin. And are you talking to yourself again?
93Whisper1
>84 Berly: This looks like a great book to read.
94Berly
>93 Whisper1: Hi Linda! I am not very far into it yet and not exactly sure what material it's going to cover, but so far it's interesting...
Are you getting excited for your procedure? It's like a week away right? I can't wait and it isn't even for me!! : )
Are you getting excited for your procedure? It's like a week away right? I can't wait and it isn't even for me!! : )
95lauralkeet
>92 Berly: oops LOL! Post corrected.
96Berly
>95 lauralkeet: You just made me feel better because now I know I'm not the only one!
97LovingLit
>82 Berly: I was very proud of myself to have ordered a similar product here, and to have it arrive just before restrictions on movements made everyone stockpile toilet paper. *smug smile*
There are a few options to purchase toilet paper wrapped in paper here from the supermarkets, but most come in plastic.
>89 Berly: woah, fictionalised memoir. That's something. I would just keep wondering which parts were real and which were made up. I haven't had much luck with Chabon, in spite of admiring him from afar.
There are a few options to purchase toilet paper wrapped in paper here from the supermarkets, but most come in plastic.
>89 Berly: woah, fictionalised memoir. That's something. I would just keep wondering which parts were real and which were made up. I haven't had much luck with Chabon, in spite of admiring him from afar.
98msf59
Happy Friday, Kim. Thanks for setting up a Group Read thread, for Moonglow. It should be a fun bunch.
99karenmarie
Hi Kim!
Yay for whogivesacrap.org. We're on our third box of 48, I recycle the (very sturdy) tubes and paper wrap and of course the box. The paper wrap could be flattened, lightly ironed, and used for gift wrap...
>83 Berly: I don't use dryer sheets but Bill does. He just bought a big box of Bounce, so I'll have to try to remember to order some of these sometime next year... he only does his laundry every 3 weeks (can you say 3 weeks worth of underwear and sox and wears jeans/shirts multiple times before washing?). *smile*
Yay for whogivesacrap.org. We're on our third box of 48, I recycle the (very sturdy) tubes and paper wrap and of course the box. The paper wrap could be flattened, lightly ironed, and used for gift wrap...
>83 Berly: I don't use dryer sheets but Bill does. He just bought a big box of Bounce, so I'll have to try to remember to order some of these sometime next year... he only does his laundry every 3 weeks (can you say 3 weeks worth of underwear and sox and wears jeans/shirts multiple times before washing?). *smile*
100SandDune
>75 EllaTim: >80 Berly: there are the microplastics in deodorant or toothpaste. Here microplastics in that sort of thing has been banned. I actually use a solid plastic free deodorant which actually seems to work better than my normal one used to.
101BLBera
My niece gave me a roll of Who Gives a Crap for Christmas. It's very good. If that seems like a weird present, you have to know Sarah (my niece).
I am tempted to reread Moonglow because I am reading a memoir by Ayelet Waldman, his wife. It is hilarious in some places, and in others I think she really overshares.
I am tempted to reread Moonglow because I am reading a memoir by Ayelet Waldman, his wife. It is hilarious in some places, and in others I think she really overshares.
102richardderus
Happy weekend ahead's reads! *smooch*
103Berly
>97 LovingLit: Nicely done, beating the crowds and getting your TP early! LOL We have Seventh Generation brand in the stores, recycled which is good, but wrapped in plastic. Dang it.
I have only read one other by Chabon, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, and I gave it a 3.5. This one sounds interesting to me and it has a 4.2 rating on LT. Fingers crossed!!
I have only read one other by Chabon, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, and I gave it a 3.5. This one sounds interesting to me and it has a 4.2 rating on LT. Fingers crossed!!
104Berly
>98 msf59: I am excited to read Moonglow! And I'm glad you are part of the group. : )
>99 karenmarie: A reorder of Who Gives A Crap -- that is a great indicator. I'm looking forward to mine arriving, not that I am out yet, but still. ; ) And I love the idea of re-using the wrappers. I try to recycle most of my gift wrapping stuff and this will be a colorful, funny add to my collection.
I am not buying dryer sheets but eco-strip laundry detergent sheets for the washing machine so I can get rid of those huge plastic bottles. My first load went well and I wore one of washed shirts yesterday and didn't have any skin or nose allergies. (Yay!) I am going to try a few more loads before I try it on my bed sheets -- that will be the true test!
>99 karenmarie: A reorder of Who Gives A Crap -- that is a great indicator. I'm looking forward to mine arriving, not that I am out yet, but still. ; ) And I love the idea of re-using the wrappers. I try to recycle most of my gift wrapping stuff and this will be a colorful, funny add to my collection.
I am not buying dryer sheets but eco-strip laundry detergent sheets for the washing machine so I can get rid of those huge plastic bottles. My first load went well and I wore one of washed shirts yesterday and didn't have any skin or nose allergies. (Yay!) I am going to try a few more loads before I try it on my bed sheets -- that will be the true test!
105Berly
>100 SandDune: In 2015, the US passed the Microbead-Free Waters Act
The Microbead-Free Waters Act of 2015 prohibits the manufacturing, packaging, and distribution of rinse-off cosmetics containing plastic microbeads. This new law also applies to products that are both cosmetics and non-prescription (also called βover-the-counter" or "OTC") drugs, such as toothpastes.
https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/microbead-free-waters-a...
And what's the name of the deodorant you use now? I am trying to keep adding to my list of products up above so if anyone is interested they can get trusty recommendations from LT people!
The Microbead-Free Waters Act of 2015 prohibits the manufacturing, packaging, and distribution of rinse-off cosmetics containing plastic microbeads. This new law also applies to products that are both cosmetics and non-prescription (also called βover-the-counter" or "OTC") drugs, such as toothpastes.
https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/microbead-free-waters-a...
And what's the name of the deodorant you use now? I am trying to keep adding to my list of products up above so if anyone is interested they can get trusty recommendations from LT people!
106Berly
>101 BLBera: I think you niece sounds awesome! : )
Join us for Moonglow, TwinB! And let me know your final verdict on the memoir from Ayelet Waldman, Chabon's wife. : )
>102 richardderus: It's Friday!! Happy Dance.
Join us for Moonglow, TwinB! And let me know your final verdict on the memoir from Ayelet Waldman, Chabon's wife. : )
>102 richardderus: It's Friday!! Happy Dance.
107Berly
So, my latest find is cloth towels to replace paper towels in the kitchen. You can still wrap them around an inner tube and use your current holder. And they look fun!


I am hoping someone in my family gets this one for me for my birthday in Feb. I've dropped hints. : )
https://www.marleysmonsters.com/collections/unpaper-towels-napkins
This website also has lots of other things for the kitchen: beeswax covers, reusable bags, sponges, etc.


I am hoping someone in my family gets this one for me for my birthday in Feb. I've dropped hints. : )
https://www.marleysmonsters.com/collections/unpaper-towels-napkins
This website also has lots of other things for the kitchen: beeswax covers, reusable bags, sponges, etc.
108weird_O
Enjoy Moonglow, Kim. I read it a couple of years ago and enjoyed it immensely. I've read βand enjoyedβa lot of his books.
109Berly
>108 weird_O: That's a good sign. : ) Drop in and add a comment or two on the thread later on. Happy Friday!
110BLBera
>107 Berly: Cool. I've bookmarked the site.
The book I'm listening to is A Really Good Day, about microdosing with LSD to help with her mood disorder. She's reading it and she is a good reader.
The book I'm listening to is A Really Good Day, about microdosing with LSD to help with her mood disorder. She's reading it and she is a good reader.
111lauralkeet
Hey Kim! My toilet paper arrived today woo hoooo!
I also ordered paper towels from them. In fact, that's what prompted my order (because I was running low) and I thought I might as well get TP as well. I forgot that I still had probably 15 rolls of Cottonelle TP in the closet. But I "only" ordered 24 from WGAC. But I think we're all set for a while.
Oh, and my Ethique products also arrived today. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
I appreciate you keeping a list of recommendations here!
I also ordered paper towels from them. In fact, that's what prompted my order (because I was running low) and I thought I might as well get TP as well. I forgot that I still had probably 15 rolls of Cottonelle TP in the closet. But I "only" ordered 24 from WGAC. But I think we're all set for a while.
Oh, and my Ethique products also arrived today. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
I appreciate you keeping a list of recommendations here!
112AuntieClio
Woman! I can't keep up!
My friend Scott has a subscription from Powell's too. I have been the recipient of books he either doesn't want to read or keep.
So far, I have three on your list:
Not read yet - Lost Children Archive by Valeria Luiselli
The Nickel Boys by Colson Whitehead - OMG what a heart wrenching book. I'm still trying to figure out how to write my review.
The Shadow King: A Novel by Maaza Mengiste - This one is complex and fascinating. Also hard to read because of content. I've written several drafts of a review but can't seem to nail the landing. The slipcase is fabulous.
My friend Scott has a subscription from Powell's too. I have been the recipient of books he either doesn't want to read or keep.
So far, I have three on your list:
Not read yet - Lost Children Archive by Valeria Luiselli
The Nickel Boys by Colson Whitehead - OMG what a heart wrenching book. I'm still trying to figure out how to write my review.
The Shadow King: A Novel by Maaza Mengiste - This one is complex and fascinating. Also hard to read because of content. I've written several drafts of a review but can't seem to nail the landing. The slipcase is fabulous.
113humouress
Loving all the Green ideas here and hoping I'll be inspired to try some. I'm contemplating the unpaper towels but we've always used a 'wettex' (brand name for flat sponge squares for wiping down countertops). My husband doesn't use them, though, because he thinks they're not hygienic so he uses paper towels instead; I'll have to try him with (>107 Berly:) these.
ETA: of course, with 'wettexes' we don't wash them in the washing machine but rinse them out an re-use them till they stop being effective. Or until Jasper snaffles them from the kitchen and destroys them on the lawn. (Unfortunately, he tends to go for new ones.)
ETA: of course, with 'wettexes' we don't wash them in the washing machine but rinse them out an re-use them till they stop being effective. Or until Jasper snaffles them from the kitchen and destroys them on the lawn. (Unfortunately, he tends to go for new ones.)
114PaulCranswick
>112 AuntieClio: Yeah Stephanie, Whitehead's book was my favourite read from last year.
Have a great weekend, Kimmers. I hope my good wishes get recycled many fold.
Have a great weekend, Kimmers. I hope my good wishes get recycled many fold.
115alcottacre
I am not even trying to catch up, Kim. I just wanted to come by and say "thank you" for dropping by my thread while I have been sick.
Have a wonderful weekend!
Have a wonderful weekend!
116karenmarie
Hi again.
>104 Berly: We use Amway SA8. Fortunately it's HE, and we can use it for our LG HE washer. It comes in cardboard but is enclosed in plastic, but after 40 years of using it Iβm probably not going to switch.
>111 lauralkeet: We just keep the big box of WGAC in the hall closet and pull as neededβ¦ unfortunately storage as a rule isnβt an issue at the house. This means that we have more stuff than we need and very little pressure to clean it out.
>104 Berly: We use Amway SA8. Fortunately it's HE, and we can use it for our LG HE washer. It comes in cardboard but is enclosed in plastic, but after 40 years of using it Iβm probably not going to switch.
>111 lauralkeet: We just keep the big box of WGAC in the hall closet and pull as neededβ¦ unfortunately storage as a rule isnβt an issue at the house. This means that we have more stuff than we need and very little pressure to clean it out.
117SandDune
>105 Berly: And what's the name of the deodorant you use now? It's Earth Conscious Natural Deodorant Stick, but I'm not sure how widely available it would be.
>107 Berly: I bought some of those 'unpaper towels' intending, as you say, to put them on the kitchen roll dispenser. But I did not pay enough attention to the size, and they were teeny-tiny, intended for removing make-up rather than mopping up kitchen spills. And being as I hardly ever wear make-up, not a lot of use.
>107 Berly: I bought some of those 'unpaper towels' intending, as you say, to put them on the kitchen roll dispenser. But I did not pay enough attention to the size, and they were teeny-tiny, intended for removing make-up rather than mopping up kitchen spills. And being as I hardly ever wear make-up, not a lot of use.
118banjo123
Hi Kim! I am going to have to look for >63 Berly:, it sounds so interesting. And happy weekend!
119lauralkeet
>41 Berly: Hey Kim, you mentioned Simple Truth trash bags up there. I'm using Simple Truth laundry detergent, which has all kinds of eco-friendly words on the packaging but comes in a big plastic jug. I tried to find out more about the brand and it appears it's owned by ... Kroger. My supermarket is owned by Kroger. So am I just buying a store brand tarted up to appear as something different than it is? Do you have any more insight on Simple Truth? I just bought a new jug, dammit, but will try something else next time.
120richardderus
Hey there Berly-boo, I'm emerging from the snowdrift to shiver a *smooch* at you.
121klobrien2
>66 Berly: ooh, I must get back to reading more Tony Hillerman! Thanks for the reminder!
Hope youβre having a great weekend!
Karen O
Hope youβre having a great weekend!
Karen O
122Donna828
Hi Kim, thanks for all the recycling tips. It is definitely something we can all do to make our world a better place. It literally hurts me when I go to someone's house and they throw a milk carton in the trash. I've been recycling paper, plastic, and glass for much of my adult life. We also have a box in the garage for batteries and light bulbs. I hope it doesn't explode one of these days!
Tony Hillerman is great. There was a group read of his books years ago on LT. I think I read all of them. Good stuff.
It sounds like you are getting over your Covid Crud. I had the headachy version like you. I really thought I might be getting a brain tumor. Such pain... Stay healthy my friend.
I am going to start These Precious Days tomorrow. I saw you gave it five stars. High praise! I can't wait. I think this will be the 9th Patchett book I've read and have liked most and even loved a few of them. She is one of the reliable authors I depend on.
Tony Hillerman is great. There was a group read of his books years ago on LT. I think I read all of them. Good stuff.
It sounds like you are getting over your Covid Crud. I had the headachy version like you. I really thought I might be getting a brain tumor. Such pain... Stay healthy my friend.
I am going to start These Precious Days tomorrow. I saw you gave it five stars. High praise! I can't wait. I think this will be the 9th Patchett book I've read and have liked most and even loved a few of them. She is one of the reliable authors I depend on.
123PaulCranswick
>117 SandDune: One thing that has always amazed me is that Hani doesn't use and has never needed to use deodorant. She naturally always smells fresh and that isn't just the rose tinted spectacles of her being half a world away!
124jnwelch
Hiya, Kim.
Being Seen sounds good. Adding it to the WL.
Iβm looking forward to hearing your reactions to the new Chabon.
Being Seen sounds good. Adding it to the WL.
Iβm looking forward to hearing your reactions to the new Chabon.
125Berly
>110 BLBera: Nice. You always find great books. : )
>111 lauralkeet: Yay!! Mine arrived yesterday. And I gave some to my son to test out, too. Haven't used it yet, but it won't be long. And I "only" got the 24 pack, too. LOL
Let me know how the Ethique works out. I am so glad people are contributing their product thoughts. Thank you!
>111 lauralkeet: Yay!! Mine arrived yesterday. And I gave some to my son to test out, too. Haven't used it yet, but it won't be long. And I "only" got the 24 pack, too. LOL
Let me know how the Ethique works out. I am so glad people are contributing their product thoughts. Thank you!
126Berly
>112 AuntieClio: NO need to keep up! Just pop in when you can. Love seeing you here. : )
I have loved the Powell's subscription. Not every book, but still. It's always a fun surprise when they show up. Unfortunately, they have stopped the subscription. Maybe they are going to start up another one? Soon, I hope? Scott is a good friend!
I have loved the Powell's subscription. Not every book, but still. It's always a fun surprise when they show up. Unfortunately, they have stopped the subscription. Maybe they are going to start up another one? Soon, I hope? Scott is a good friend!
127humouress
I think you need to start a separate 'green thread', Kim!
I'm thinking of getting a composter - or at least that was my brainwave today. I've thought about it before but not put it into action. It would use up our food waste and the leaves in our garden and then, hopefully, I won't have to pay for/ use synthetic fertilisers.
I'm thinking of getting a composter - or at least that was my brainwave today. I've thought about it before but not put it into action. It would use up our food waste and the leaves in our garden and then, hopefully, I won't have to pay for/ use synthetic fertilisers.
128Berly
>113 humouress: Jasper, Jasper...LOL. I'll post an update if I get the un-paper towels for my bday in late February. Otherwise, I am gonna get them on my own.
>114 PaulCranswick: The Nickel Boys was outstanding. I really like Colson Whitehead so far; the Underground Railroad was also great. And I have Harlem Shuffle and The Intuitionist in my TBR pile. Yay!
Good wishes happily returned many-fold!
>114 PaulCranswick: The Nickel Boys was outstanding. I really like Colson Whitehead so far; the Underground Railroad was also great. And I have Harlem Shuffle and The Intuitionist in my TBR pile. Yay!
Good wishes happily returned many-fold!
129Berly
>115 alcottacre: I hope you are starting to feel better now! My energy level is slowly coming back, but my mom was in the hospital this weekend so I didn't sleep well at all this weekend. She is back home now and they have adjusted her meds and hopefully she'll be okay again. Her BP was WAY too low and she kept fainting. Hit her head on the counter and need stitches. She's also on blood thinners so they were worried about internal bleeding, but not a prob. Nothing like trying to keep re-explaining what's going on for a person with dementia! My dad is exhausted, too.
ANYHOW...lol. Great sleep last night and I already went for a walk and practiced my nunchucks and Taeguk forms at home. Slowly, because I am out of shape and rusty, but I did it!
ANYHOW...lol. Great sleep last night and I already went for a walk and practiced my nunchucks and Taeguk forms at home. Slowly, because I am out of shape and rusty, but I did it!
130Berly
>116 karenmarie: Nice! If you've found something that works for you, I wouldn't switch either.
Too much storage...Ha! I spent the entire day yesterday cleaning out the rest of the stuff in my daughters's room so my son can move in this weekend. All her stuff is now in boxes that she can go through when she has time and the space to take it.
And we found out my nephew may be coming out to stay with us, too. Not sure if it's a for sure thing or when, but could be a full house again!
Too much storage...Ha! I spent the entire day yesterday cleaning out the rest of the stuff in my daughters's room so my son can move in this weekend. All her stuff is now in boxes that she can go through when she has time and the space to take it.
And we found out my nephew may be coming out to stay with us, too. Not sure if it's a for sure thing or when, but could be a full house again!
131Berly
>117 SandDune: Nice. Added to the deodorant list. : )
Ooh! Sorry about that wrong size thing. I do that all the time when I am ordering groceries online. LOL.
>118 banjo123: Hope you had a nice weekend! The weather this morning was great for a walk.
Ooh! Sorry about that wrong size thing. I do that all the time when I am ordering groceries online. LOL.
>118 banjo123: Hope you had a nice weekend! The weather this morning was great for a walk.
132Berly
>119 lauralkeet: Yeah...Simple Truth. IDK. The trash bag that I got from them says compostable, but then the fine print says only in Commercially Compostable Facilities. They substituted it for the usual brand I like when I ordered online. Thinking I won't allow substititution next time. Bummer.
133Berly
>120 richardderus: Hope you are staying nice and warm! You guys got dumped on. Brrrr! We get up to a reasonable 44 today. Smooch.
>121 klobrien2: Hope you found a Tony Hillerman! Happy reading!
>121 klobrien2: Hope you found a Tony Hillerman! Happy reading!
134Berly
>122 Donna828: I do a pretty good job of recycling, but I would rather not even buy the plastic containers anymore. Trying to up my game! ; )
I did the Tony Hillerman group read, too, but I don't think I made it through all of his books. Which means there are more for me to read--yay!
So sorry you got the headache version, too. I don't get headaches and it was nasty! Still running a little cold every now and then, but mostly just fatigue. Hubby is long over it and I am making progress, so thankful for that.
Wow!! You've read more Patchett than I have. I have read 5 now. And since you have enjoyed so many of her books, chances are good you'll enjoy These Precious Days as well.
I did the Tony Hillerman group read, too, but I don't think I made it through all of his books. Which means there are more for me to read--yay!
So sorry you got the headache version, too. I don't get headaches and it was nasty! Still running a little cold every now and then, but mostly just fatigue. Hubby is long over it and I am making progress, so thankful for that.
Wow!! You've read more Patchett than I have. I have read 5 now. And since you have enjoyed so many of her books, chances are good you'll enjoy These Precious Days as well.
135Berly
>117 SandDune: >123 PaulCranswick: Hani is not the only one! I don't use deodorant either. And I have asked all my kids and my hubby to let me know if I should be, but so far so good. But I want to keep adding good products to the list. I mean, I don't need tampons either at this point, but someone will!
>124 jnwelch: Being Seen is definitely a worthwhile read. I listened to it on audio and liked it very much. I felt I got her energy better that way, but she has a very interesting voice, so listen to a sample first before you order the audio. Hope you enjoy it!
>124 jnwelch: Being Seen is definitely a worthwhile read. I listened to it on audio and liked it very much. I felt I got her energy better that way, but she has a very interesting voice, so listen to a sample first before you order the audio. Hope you enjoy it!
136Berly
>127 humouress: A composter...yes!! I want to look into that, too.
And a "green" idea thread would be very fun. I will try to put one together later today. Thanks for your enthusiasm!! Doing this with other people really helps with the motivation. : )
And a "green" idea thread would be very fun. I will try to put one together later today. Thanks for your enthusiasm!! Doing this with other people really helps with the motivation. : )
137richardderus
There needs to be a composter in any household that possesses a garden.
I'm wading through slush to greet you from the snowed-on but not blizzarded-at part of Long Island. *smooch*
I'm wading through slush to greet you from the snowed-on but not blizzarded-at part of Long Island. *smooch*
138figsfromthistle
I have a composter in my backyard where I put mostly yard waste in. My kitchen scraps and grass cuttings goes to the chickens. There are so many neat soil making systems out there for those living in apartments of for those who don't have a big enough backyard.
139RebaRelishesReading
I'm planning to read How to Give Up Plastic when we get back and will definitely try to up my game then. Thanks for pointing the book out.
141johnsimpson
Hi Kim my dear, a belated happy new thread dear friend. I am glad you enjoyed the Hillerman, i have been trying to pick up Hillerman's wherever i find them and one i cannot find is the C.J. Box books. When we met up with Barbara (Ameise1), she gave me the first in the Joe Pickett series and since then i have scoured the shops we visit for anymore, i will find them eventually.
Hope all is well with you and the family and we send love and hugs to you all dear friend.
Hope all is well with you and the family and we send love and hugs to you all dear friend.
142Carmenere
Hi Kim! Last year, I made a note that you'd be interested in a group read of Winesburg, Ohio. If you still have some interest there's this https://www.librarything.com/topic/339258#n7745832. Hope to see you in Winesburg.
143Berly
>137 richardderus: Hello Ricardo!! Brrr.
>138 figsfromthistle: I need to look into this category and get going on it! I know my garden would appreciate it. I do keep the coffee grounds and sprinkle those.
>138 figsfromthistle: I need to look into this category and get going on it! I know my garden would appreciate it. I do keep the coffee grounds and sprinkle those.
144Berly
>139 RebaRelishesReading: Great! Check out below--I am starting up a Recycling Reuse thread!!
>140 BLBera: Still needing a ton of sleep, which cuts in to my LT time and general productivity. Oh well. Mom is doing great. : )
>140 BLBera: Still needing a ton of sleep, which cuts in to my LT time and general productivity. Oh well. Mom is doing great. : )
145Berly
>141 johnsimpson: Hillerman is a steady, fun read. 'Course, now that the Olympics have started up, my reading time is gonna be a little diminished!
>142 Carmenere: Looking for my copy! Thanks for the reminder. March, right?
>142 Carmenere: Looking for my copy! Thanks for the reminder. March, right?
146Berly

Here is a link to a new thread to further discuss these ideas. I am loving all the brand and book suggestions from everyone! Please keep it coming.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/339326
147Berly
So, this past week was a week of moving. My FIL sent a bunch of furniture over to my house; some of it for me and some pieces for my kids for later on in life. Then I had to clean out my daughter's room and move her stuff out because yesterday my son and his girl friend moved back in with us! So now they kinda have the downstairs to themselves which should work out great. I already made a run to Goodwill, but I see a few more trips in my future. And my garage is full of furniture, which can't fit in the house. We have to get a storage unit and then move everything again. Sigh. I shouldn't complain though; we are very lucky.
Then, my class starts next Tuesday and the leader finally told us what to read for the first meeting and it was not the book I had started! Yikes! It's gonna be a reading kind of weekend, not that that's a bad thing. ; )
Gotta finish The Vanishing Half for Monday bookclub (and that's the book I was reading for class because it was listed first) and then finish The Girl with the Louding Voice for Wednesday's class. Good news is I am enjoying both books very much.
Then, my class starts next Tuesday and the leader finally told us what to read for the first meeting and it was not the book I had started! Yikes! It's gonna be a reading kind of weekend, not that that's a bad thing. ; )
Gotta finish The Vanishing Half for Monday bookclub (and that's the book I was reading for class because it was listed first) and then finish The Girl with the Louding Voice for Wednesday's class. Good news is I am enjoying both books very much.
148quondame
>147 Berly: That's a lot of busy-ness. When I moved to my third apartment in LA in as many years a co-worker hooked me into the Jewish aunts' furniture network hence and whence furniture appeared and disappeared. A wonderful resource.
149Berly
>148 quondame: I don't want to get rid of the furniture just yet because I know my nieces are moving out of their mom's place this summer; my nephew might move out here, and I don't know how long my son is going to stay with us, so lots of moving pieces!! I knew my empty nesting wouldn't last for long. LOL.
150richardderus
Wow. That's a LOT of moving! But gratitudinously you have the space to make it work. Imagine if it all had to Go just because you couldn't fit it in!
Happy weekend, Berly-boo!
Happy weekend, Berly-boo!
151Berly
>150 richardderus: It's all in my garage right now! No room for the cars. LOL. We will see what pieces are actually wanted and see if we can downsize to half the garage. Otherwise, we may look for a rental unit for a couple of months. And, yes, we are very lucky and so are the kids. ; )
Happy Weekend!
Happy Weekend!
152quondame
>149 Berly: Ah, but the net held furniture forever. One table was recalled to family members on 3 occasions. I had to swap out a comfy chair when a more entitled scion put in a request. All the aunties had a few pieces in the garage, none had too many. Still, it was a temporary and very localized service.
153banjo123
Hi Kim! Great that your book group is reading The Vanishing Half---that should be perfect for discussion.
154bell7
Looking forward to your thoughts on The Vanishing Half - I read it for my book discussion in December, and we had a lot to say about it. Hope it makes for a good discussion for you too!
155PaulCranswick
Wishing you a great weekend, Kimmers.
156BLBera
My book club read The Vanishing Half last year and we had a great discussion. My students are starting to read it this week. I hope it makes them discuss as well. Fingers crossed.
157alcottacre
Kim - Regarding your note on my thread: I slept about 13 hours straight and still had to take a nap today. This is getting to be ridiculous!!
158AuntieClio
Hi again! :zoom:
159Berly
>152 quondame: : )
>153 banjo123: >154 bell7: We had a very good discussion of The Vanishing Half. Loved not only the story, but the writing. Great character and, of course, racial inequity discussion. Interesting side note that came up -- we also discussed how/if we were discriminated against as women, which is not at all the same as racial discrimination, but it was the kind most of us have experienced. There were distinct differences in upbringing east coast vs. west coast and also age difference. For example (obviously this is a small sample group and may not be representative of all), several of the women are a good 10-15 years older than me and grew up on the NW coast and they were all encouraged to take typing because being a secretary would be a good career and it was easier than math, etc, etc. Mind you they all went on the be high level employees at Nike or in the medical field. My sister and I and one other woman, on the younger end of this group and from the east coast, also took typing but it was required of all kids, girls and boys, perhaps because of the inception of computer keyboards.
BTW--Everyone but one person loved the book! And I can't wait to talk about in more detail it in my class.
>153 banjo123: >154 bell7: We had a very good discussion of The Vanishing Half. Loved not only the story, but the writing. Great character and, of course, racial inequity discussion. Interesting side note that came up -- we also discussed how/if we were discriminated against as women, which is not at all the same as racial discrimination, but it was the kind most of us have experienced. There were distinct differences in upbringing east coast vs. west coast and also age difference. For example (obviously this is a small sample group and may not be representative of all), several of the women are a good 10-15 years older than me and grew up on the NW coast and they were all encouraged to take typing because being a secretary would be a good career and it was easier than math, etc, etc. Mind you they all went on the be high level employees at Nike or in the medical field. My sister and I and one other woman, on the younger end of this group and from the east coast, also took typing but it was required of all kids, girls and boys, perhaps because of the inception of computer keyboards.
BTW--Everyone but one person loved the book! And I can't wait to talk about in more detail it in my class.
160Berly
>155 PaulCranswick: Thanks! It was spent moving and unpacking boxes. My son has moved back in with us. He thinks he is starting for a few months and Hubby and I are thinking more like a year. LOL. We'll see. In any case, I am enjoying having him back in the house. : )
>156 BLBera: How are the student discussions going? I really loved The Vanishing Half. I still have my class discussion coming up, but we are starting with The Girl With the Louding Voice. First class tonight!
>156 BLBera: How are the student discussions going? I really loved The Vanishing Half. I still have my class discussion coming up, but we are starting with The Girl With the Louding Voice. First class tonight!
161Berly
>157 alcottacre: Well, I did pretty well over the weekend, with the move-in and then Monday and Tuesday I woke up at a reasonable hour and only took a short nap both days. Today, however, I slept 13 hours straight again and didn't even hear anyone get up and leave for work. And I'm still exhausted. I know I shouldn't complain too much, because I wasn't hospitalized or anything, but I have had enough.
And my sister's place of work announced today that indoor masking was no longer required as long as you had two shots, not even requiring the booster. She is not excited.
>158 AuntieClio: Hi! Bye!
And my sister's place of work announced today that indoor masking was no longer required as long as you had two shots, not even requiring the booster. She is not excited.
>158 AuntieClio: Hi! Bye!
162quondame
>160 Berly: Well, COVID initially has extended my daughter's residency with her parents for 2 years now, and changed her decision to move to an apartment with friends to saving for her own condominium which will add at least another year. I am not complaining at all. She and Nutmeg are so much fun to have around.
>161 Berly: That's disturbing about your sister's workplace. I hope no one gives her grief if she chooses to wear a mask.
>161 Berly: That's disturbing about your sister's workplace. I hope no one gives her grief if she chooses to wear a mask.
163karenmarie
Hi Kim!
>130 Berly: Wow. Not an empty nest again.
>146 Berly: Iβve starred it, thanks. Iβll venture over and contribute soon.
>161 Berly: I'm sorry you've got COVID fatigue, with so much going on kid and furniture wise. At least they were all quiet so you could get that 13 hours in!
>130 Berly: Wow. Not an empty nest again.
>146 Berly: Iβve starred it, thanks. Iβll venture over and contribute soon.
>161 Berly: I'm sorry you've got COVID fatigue, with so much going on kid and furniture wise. At least they were all quiet so you could get that 13 hours in!
164Berly
>162 quondame: See, there is an upside to COVID. : )
She's wearing her mask today and I'll have a chance to ask her more about it tonight.
>163 karenmarie: I am not even sure they were quiet, I was just out! LOL.
She's wearing her mask today and I'll have a chance to ask her more about it tonight.
>163 karenmarie: I am not even sure they were quiet, I was just out! LOL.
165richardderus
*smooch*
166Berly
>165 richardderus: smooches gladly accepted
167Berly
13 hours of sleep and then a two hour nap. I think I will watch some Olympics -- that doesn't take much energy. Yeesh.
168PaulCranswick
>164 Berly: I can certainly see the point of wearing masks in confined indoor working spaces and we still have ours on in Malaysia even in my big open planned space. I lower it at my desk but I don't have anyone close. Up it goes when I go and mingle.
It is compulsory at work and it is compulsory for Samsung staff to be double jabbed and to wear your masks and to test every week. There is zero kick-back here to be honest as most people saw the sense in it and compliance is a bit of a default setting for most Malaysians. Philosophically I am not a huge fan of mandates but I can see the obvious good sense of wearing a mask where it is clearly appropriate to do so.
Take care not to stress, Kimmers, and I hope your sister doesn't get stressed either. I am sure that she will not get any hassle at work for exercising her right to wear one.
It is compulsory at work and it is compulsory for Samsung staff to be double jabbed and to wear your masks and to test every week. There is zero kick-back here to be honest as most people saw the sense in it and compliance is a bit of a default setting for most Malaysians. Philosophically I am not a huge fan of mandates but I can see the obvious good sense of wearing a mask where it is clearly appropriate to do so.
Take care not to stress, Kimmers, and I hope your sister doesn't get stressed either. I am sure that she will not get any hassle at work for exercising her right to wear one.
169PaulCranswick
>167 Berly: I am boycotting the Winter Olympics, Kimmers. The Western Governments should be doing much, much more to hold the Chinese regime to account. I have also stopped - as far as possible - buying goods made in China. My pin-prick of opposition if multiplied a billion times will eventually make a difference.
170humouress
>159 Berly: Interesting.
I learned touch typing for fun on my dad's typewriter because there was a book (including coloured stickers) lying around the house one holidays. I've found it useful for computers, of course, so I tried to get my kids to try it using an app or an on-line 'course' but no dice. They've got spellcheck to cover for them.
>160 Berly: It's nice that members of your family keep coming to stay. I remember that we often had family members visiting from other countries, growing up, and often stayed at my parents' house which was fun. Unfortunately, Singapore seems to be too far out of the way for my extended family now so only my parents, sister and one of my husband's cousins ever seem to visit.
>164 Berly: I'm sure that if enough people keep wearing their masks, it'll become the accepted norm for as long as it's necessary and she won't get adverse comments.
>169 PaulCranswick: As for us watching the Olympics or not, the question is moot since we barely get any sports coverage. Though I'm sure there'll be one or two channels dedicated to it, it usually doesn't appear in the mainstream consciousness here.
I learned touch typing for fun on my dad's typewriter because there was a book (including coloured stickers) lying around the house one holidays. I've found it useful for computers, of course, so I tried to get my kids to try it using an app or an on-line 'course' but no dice. They've got spellcheck to cover for them.
>160 Berly: It's nice that members of your family keep coming to stay. I remember that we often had family members visiting from other countries, growing up, and often stayed at my parents' house which was fun. Unfortunately, Singapore seems to be too far out of the way for my extended family now so only my parents, sister and one of my husband's cousins ever seem to visit.
>164 Berly: I'm sure that if enough people keep wearing their masks, it'll become the accepted norm for as long as it's necessary and she won't get adverse comments.
>169 PaulCranswick: As for us watching the Olympics or not, the question is moot since we barely get any sports coverage. Though I'm sure there'll be one or two channels dedicated to it, it usually doesn't appear in the mainstream consciousness here.
171AMQS
Hi Kim, like you, our empty nesting did not last long, but considering what came before, we are grateful. Right now, I am relaxing with a glass of wine while Callia makes dinner!
I'm sorry you've had such a hard time. That's awful. My county dept of public health recently announced that they are lifting the indoor mask mandate as of Friday, Feb. 15, and my school district followed with an email stating the same and a hope that the mandate will end earlier. Ugh, so not excited about that. People have their hackles up about schools, and much of the criticism is justified, I think. I think that schools should be open except for during major outbreaks, etc (no one knew any better at the beginning of the pandemic - everyone thought oh this will be a few weeks and then it will be over, so the people who attack teachers for lockdowns in early 2020 can stuff it), but masks protect everyone, and this is upsetting teachers. We have open schools, but can we keep the masks, please? Tomorrow I will teach about 90 students.
>My book club read both The Vanishing Half and The Girl With the Louding Voice in 2020, and both were terrific.
I'm sorry you've had such a hard time. That's awful. My county dept of public health recently announced that they are lifting the indoor mask mandate as of Friday, Feb. 15, and my school district followed with an email stating the same and a hope that the mandate will end earlier. Ugh, so not excited about that. People have their hackles up about schools, and much of the criticism is justified, I think. I think that schools should be open except for during major outbreaks, etc (no one knew any better at the beginning of the pandemic - everyone thought oh this will be a few weeks and then it will be over, so the people who attack teachers for lockdowns in early 2020 can stuff it), but masks protect everyone, and this is upsetting teachers. We have open schools, but can we keep the masks, please? Tomorrow I will teach about 90 students.
>My book club read both The Vanishing Half and The Girl With the Louding Voice in 2020, and both were terrific.
172BLBera
We'll start discussion on The Vanishing Half on Monday. I'll update you on what students think about it.
I was always happy when my kids moved in again, usually briefly, but it was fun to live with them as adults.
Our community mask mandate is done, but at school we still have to wear masks.
How was your first class?
I was always happy when my kids moved in again, usually briefly, but it was fun to live with them as adults.
Our community mask mandate is done, but at school we still have to wear masks.
How was your first class?
173RebaRelishesReading
>159 Berly: I learned to type as a child because I wanted to play with my Dad's typewriter and he said I could but I had to put my hands in the right position -- only exception: my pinkies weren't strong enough to depress the keys on a manual typewriter so he allowed me to "cheat" and use my ring finger. Many years later, with a grad degree in my pocket, in job interviews I was routinely asked if I could type and was then offered secretarial jobs. I finally lied and said I couldn't type and got my first professional job. It's a different world these days but gender discrimination hasn't completely gone away I'm afraid.
174ffortsa
>173 RebaRelishesReading: I learned to type when in high school (I think) and used it for my papers in college, of course. But I was determined not to be a secretary and type for a living. Then I got into computer programming, and guess what? Effectively, I typed for a living.
175RebaRelishesReading
>174 ffortsa: Well, typing may have been involved but programming is way more than that I believe -- right?
176quondame
>174 ffortsa: I started a night school typing class during my first stint on unemployment - the cacophony of the classroom caused a nasty case of over-simulation and I only endured a few nights. That's the only class I've ever just abandoned. Computer keyboards are a delight in comparison. But I hunt and pecked my way for many years on card punch machines and teletypes before CRT terminals were available.
177weird_O
I never learned to type. Heh heh. I attended a small private school 9th thru 12th grades, and no kind of typing class was available. Nobody had a typewriter. In college I majored in journalism and got by using two fingers on each hand. And homework and tests we typed. Up until computers infiltrated editorial work, manuscripts were rough. Misspell a word, xxxxxx it out, and keep going. Cut and paste involved scissors and library paste. A tidy manuscript required a lot of typing by typists. Extra work.
178witchyrichy
I have fallen behind on threads in the midst of two conferences and now a morning long meeting. Very tired of Zoom.
But glad I am multitasking...I'll pop into the Moonglow thread.
Happy weekend!
But glad I am multitasking...I'll pop into the Moonglow thread.
Happy weekend!
179Donna828
Kim, I am so looking forward to reading The Vanishing Half for my book group in April. We are reconvening next month after a 2-year Covid hiatus. I am beyond excited!
Ah, I remember the revolving door with our oldest son. I kind of liked having him home again after college...until we moved to Colorado and literally had to kick him out of the house when it sold. Haha. Turns out that he followed us to CO and still lives there almost 30 years later.
Ah, I remember the revolving door with our oldest son. I kind of liked having him home again after college...until we moved to Colorado and literally had to kick him out of the house when it sold. Haha. Turns out that he followed us to CO and still lives there almost 30 years later.
180banjo123
Hi Kim! It does seem that the mask mandate is being lifted too early, but I am hoping that the numbers keep trending down. I hope you get some more energy soon!
181Berly
>168 PaulCranswick: My sister is still wearing hers at work and not receiving any ridiculing, so all good I guess. We still have a mask mandate at our office. Not sure when we will lift it.
>169 PaulCranswick: I don't want to penalize the athletes of the world for the host country's actions, so I am watching. But like you I am refusing when at all possible not to buy Chinese products, both personally and at work. And we asked all of our kids to fix their Christmas wish lists as well. I hope enough "pin-prick of opposition" eventually hurt!
>169 PaulCranswick: I don't want to penalize the athletes of the world for the host country's actions, so I am watching. But like you I am refusing when at all possible not to buy Chinese products, both personally and at work. And we asked all of our kids to fix their Christmas wish lists as well. I hope enough "pin-prick of opposition" eventually hurt!
182Berly
>170 humouress: Family visits are not a thing now for sure. Our next one will probably be my relatives for my daughter's wedding this fall. Not sure how that will all work, because my Mom may not be able to climb stairs, so that will mean Hubby and I relocating to another bedroom, just to add to the mayhem. And I will have a very full house with son and girlfriend as well as nephew having moved in by then. May not be room for my brother and husband! Going to not worry about it until mid-summer!!
Funny how typing is so much a part of our lives with computers now and yet now they are not teaching it in school. Hmmmm.
Funny how typing is so much a part of our lives with computers now and yet now they are not teaching it in school. Hmmmm.
183Berly
>171 AMQS: It's nice when the kids come back and they actually understand a little better about making dinners and cleaning up! I hope you have many more dinners made for you whilst you sip some wine. : )
I am not sure masks will disappear completely, but less people are wearing them for sure. I certainly hope you manage to stay safe teaching at school. What age do you teach?
I am not sure masks will disappear completely, but less people are wearing them for sure. I certainly hope you manage to stay safe teaching at school. What age do you teach?
184Berly
>172 BLBera: How is discussion going on The Vanishing Half? My class is talking about The Girl with the Louding Voice first and then next week we get to TVH. I love both books though!
The class is led by a Portland author who actually lived in Nigeria, where TGwtLV takes place. She has an American mom and a Nigerian dad and so she can add in her personal perspective on a number of topics raised in the book. The class is 100% female, so I would have liked to get a make perspective, too, but it is about 50-50 white and minority, so that's great, especially for Portland. Not everyone had finished the book, so we will have a more complete discussion this week. : )
The class is led by a Portland author who actually lived in Nigeria, where TGwtLV takes place. She has an American mom and a Nigerian dad and so she can add in her personal perspective on a number of topics raised in the book. The class is 100% female, so I would have liked to get a make perspective, too, but it is about 50-50 white and minority, so that's great, especially for Portland. Not everyone had finished the book, so we will have a more complete discussion this week. : )
185Berly
>173 RebaRelishesReading: How wrong that lying actually got you a better job!! Lol. Grrrr. But I am glad your dad let you cheat on the typing until your pinkie got stronger, or do you still type without the pinkies? And, no, gender discrimination is not a thing of the past. Yet.
>174 ffortsa: >175 RebaRelishesReading: Exactly! At least you are not typing up someone else's notes! Programming is a bit more than that. I can't believe how much time I spend on the keyboard, both at work and at home. Amazing.
BTW--I don't want to disparage secretaries and typing -- if it makes someone happy, pays the bills, go for it!
>174 ffortsa: >175 RebaRelishesReading: Exactly! At least you are not typing up someone else's notes! Programming is a bit more than that. I can't believe how much time I spend on the keyboard, both at work and at home. Amazing.
BTW--I don't want to disparage secretaries and typing -- if it makes someone happy, pays the bills, go for it!
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>176 quondame: Typing classes can get awfully noisy. I remember the speed tests when everyone's fingers were flying--it was loud! Glad you mastered the keyboard on your own. ; )
>177 weird_O: So are you still a two-finger pecker? : ) I remember using the XXXXX method to "correct" misspellings on paper when I had run out of white-out goop. What a mess! Although I was a much better typer back then. Now it is so easy to back up and delete or use autocorrect.
>177 weird_O: So are you still a two-finger pecker? : ) I remember using the XXXXX method to "correct" misspellings on paper when I had run out of white-out goop. What a mess! Although I was a much better typer back then. Now it is so easy to back up and delete or use autocorrect.
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>178 witchyrichy: Hope you had a wonderful weekend! Mine was spent crossing things off the very long checklist. But I made great progress! I think I overdid it a little though, because yesterday I crashed and burned again. Oh well. Today seems off to a good start.
I am about halfway through Moonglow. Strange book.
I am about halfway through Moonglow. Strange book.
188curioussquared
I learned to touch type on computers in the late 90s/early 2000s with the trusty Mavis Beacon game. Although, I never quite got used to typing without looking at the keyboard. My computer class teacher used to come and hold a folder over my keyboard while I was typing and I would go to pieces, lol. But hey, it never held me back! I think I'm pretty fast, I just like to reorient myself on the keys every once in a while :)
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>179 Donna828: Hurray for bookclub starting up again! After two years?! You are going to spend at least half your time catching up on personal stuff! LOL. And The Vanishing Half will be a great book for discussion when you finally get to that part of your meeting. Yay!
And how nice that your son wound up in your neighborhood even after you kicked him out! LOL. I get along really well with my family and it is wonderful to have them nearby.
And how nice that your son wound up in your neighborhood even after you kicked him out! LOL. I get along really well with my family and it is wonderful to have them nearby.
190BLBera
The Vanishing Half discussion went pretty well; most students said, in a very surprised voice, that they liked it! Shocking! Some even read ahead.
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>180 banjo123: The COVID numbers are certainly trending down, which is awesome, but I will be a mask fan for the foreseeable future. ; )
>187 Berly: I have never heard of the Mavis Beacon typing game, but I am sure it was more fun than my teacher. We actually had to put blinders over our eyes for the timed tests!
>187 Berly: I have never heard of the Mavis Beacon typing game, but I am sure it was more fun than my teacher. We actually had to put blinders over our eyes for the timed tests!
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>190 BLBera: Wonders never cease!! *grin*
193Berly
So, it has been a medical whirlwind. Spent yesterday morning at Drs with my daughter who does indeed have a concussion. Accidentally elbowed on the temple. She's okay and got permission to go back to work, but no screen time for a while. This morning I was on the phone with my mom and dad and the cardiologist talking about the need for a pacemaker and doing the Watchman procedure, which helps eliminate blood clots. Then in another hour, I am back on the phone with same daughter to talk about results from test with HER cardiologist (she has Tricuspid Atresia). And by then it will only be about noon. Is that too early for some wine? LOL
194weird_O
Typing lore. Again. My DiL told me she took a typing course in high school and what it did for her was guarantee summer employment.
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>194 weird_O: Summer employment is always good. ; )
196Caroline_McElwee
>193 Berly: Exhausting just reading it Kim. Hope there are no more problems today. Yes, go for that wine.
197richardderus
Lotsa cardiology...I've been COVIDed twice, both my parents had strokes, and they're figuring out that long-term effects include cardiovascular ickies. Last visit to the cardiologist was aces; thinking I might make an appointment this summer just to see if anything's changed since 15mos ago.
Jeez this old-person lark is getting tiresome. You'll find out when you hit fifty!
Jeez this old-person lark is getting tiresome. You'll find out when you hit fifty!
198msf59
Hi, Kim. Sorry to hear about all the medical drama. Good luck with it all. Glad your daughter is doing all right. Finding any comfort in those books?
199figsfromthistle
>193 Berly: Oh my! What an ordeal. I think you need two glasses of wine.
200BLBera
>193 Berly: I think you deserve a glass after your morning! Sending healing thoughts to all the TwinK family.
201Familyhistorian
Looks like you have a busy full house again, Kim. Hope you get back to full energy soon.
Interesting reminiscing about learning to type. I didn't take typing in high school because I was going to further my education and not limit myself to jobs that needed typing. That only lasted until I graduated from university and had to find a job so took a typing class in which we learned on a manual typewriter - hard on the pinkies. Does anyone else remember typing multiple copies using different coloured carbon paper - we had white out that matched all the colours but there was incentive to not make any mistakes or you'd be painting for a while.
Interesting reminiscing about learning to type. I didn't take typing in high school because I was going to further my education and not limit myself to jobs that needed typing. That only lasted until I graduated from university and had to find a job so took a typing class in which we learned on a manual typewriter - hard on the pinkies. Does anyone else remember typing multiple copies using different coloured carbon paper - we had white out that matched all the colours but there was incentive to not make any mistakes or you'd be painting for a while.
202alcottacre
>161 Berly: I know I shouldn't complain too much, because I wasn't hospitalized or anything, but I have had enough.
Yeah, I understand. I am not even sure at this point if it is still COVID related or if it is my CFS rearing its ugly head.
I am 40 posts behind again and I am not even going to try and catch up. I hope you get plenty of rest tonight!
Yeah, I understand. I am not even sure at this point if it is still COVID related or if it is my CFS rearing its ugly head.
I am 40 posts behind again and I am not even going to try and catch up. I hope you get plenty of rest tonight!
203witchyrichy
Sending love and healing energies to you!
204ffortsa
Never a dull moment with your family. Sorry for all the medical drama, and hope your daughter recovers quickly.
205richardderus
*smooch* for a return to full health service
206karenmarie
Hi Kim!
Way too much medical stuff going on for you and your family. I'm sorry about the concussion and cardiology woes.
I wanted a typewriter when I was 10, so my parents actually bought one for me - a brand-new portable Sears manual typewriter. I did a bit of self-taught touch typing, then took typing and shorthand in 10th grade. Those typewriters were huge old Underwood manual typewriters, and I really had to bang away at the keys. Once electric typewriters and then keyboards came into general use, I got the nickname "Turbohacker" because even on a keyboard I banged away and still bang away at the keys.
Way too much medical stuff going on for you and your family. I'm sorry about the concussion and cardiology woes.
I wanted a typewriter when I was 10, so my parents actually bought one for me - a brand-new portable Sears manual typewriter. I did a bit of self-taught touch typing, then took typing and shorthand in 10th grade. Those typewriters were huge old Underwood manual typewriters, and I really had to bang away at the keys. Once electric typewriters and then keyboards came into general use, I got the nickname "Turbohacker" because even on a keyboard I banged away and still bang away at the keys.
207EBT1002
Hi Kim. I was checking in on your thread and then I ended up at the Reuse Recycle thread (thank you for starting that!!!) and I almost forgot to come back here and say hi.
I loved Moonglow.
I'm just getting started on The Memory of Love for Mark's shared read.
Looking forward to discussing The Thirty Names of Night with you and Beth later this month!
I loved Moonglow.
I'm just getting started on The Memory of Love for Mark's shared read.
Looking forward to discussing The Thirty Names of Night with you and Beth later this month!
208SirThomas
Just popping in to wish you well, Kim!
Edit:
And thank you for Moonglow - the book and the group read.
Edit:
And thank you for Moonglow - the book and the group read.
210AMQS
Hi Kim, sorry about all of the medical issues. That's rough, and I hope things resolve soon.
>182 Berly: Oh, we do teach typing at school, though it likely looks different (I never did learn to type and I use it as a cautionary tale for my students because I seriously regret it). Our 3rd/4th team does formal instruction and all 3-5th graders have Typing Club accounts that they use during literacy rotations or as homework. Usually in middle school there is a required computer skills class and keyboarding is a big part of it.
>183 Berly: My school is grades K-5, and I teach every single student. A perk of the job, but it does up the Covid exposure. So far so good.
>182 Berly: Oh, we do teach typing at school, though it likely looks different (I never did learn to type and I use it as a cautionary tale for my students because I seriously regret it). Our 3rd/4th team does formal instruction and all 3-5th graders have Typing Club accounts that they use during literacy rotations or as homework. Usually in middle school there is a required computer skills class and keyboarding is a big part of it.
>183 Berly: My school is grades K-5, and I teach every single student. A perk of the job, but it does up the Covid exposure. So far so good.
211richardderus
Happy birthday, Kimmers!! *smooch*
212ronincats
Finally all caught up here, Kim! So sorry about all the medical kerfuffle for you and your family. Fascinated by all the "green" info here. And last but NOT least, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
215magicians_nephew
>210 AMQS: Yes i suspect the kids nowadays would regard typewriting as something akin to making fires with flint and steel but KEYBOARDING would be seen as very state of the art to them
218RebaRelishesReading
Happy birthday, Kim. Hope you have a wonderful, healthy, fun- and family-filled day.
219FAMeulstee
Happy birthday, Kim!
220Caroline_McElwee
Adding to the birthday wishes Kim. I hope there is cake.
221karenmarie
Happy birthday, Kim!
223johnsimpson
Happy birthday Kim my dear, hope you have a really lovely day dear friend.
225figsfromthistle
Happy birthday! Hope you had a great cake :)
227lauralkeet
Happy birthday Kim!! I hope you've had a great day.
228PaulCranswick
Happy birthday, Kimmers!
230Crazymamie
Kim, hoping your birthday was full of happy. And cake.
231magicians_nephew
Cake!
232RebaRelishesReading
Sorry I missed your birthday. Hope it was a fun one.
233weird_O
Hi Kim. Hope you're able to recover from your birthday.
The NYTimes has a interesting article on line called "How a Book Is Made." Linky: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/19/books/how-a-book-is-made.html?act...
It follows the manufacture of Marlon James' new book, Moon Witch, Spider King and begins with a vid of James typing away. Using two fingers on each hand!!! Yay. Vindication. You DON'T need to be a touchtypist keyboarder (or is it keyboardist) to win literary fame and prizes.
The NYTimes has a interesting article on line called "How a Book Is Made." Linky: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/19/books/how-a-book-is-made.html?act...
It follows the manufacture of Marlon James' new book, Moon Witch, Spider King and begins with a vid of James typing away. Using two fingers on each hand!!! Yay. Vindication. You DON'T need to be a touch
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>196 Caroline_McElwee: The wine helped. : )
>197 richardderus: Speaking of cardiology -- my turn! Having some irregular heart rhythms and spent 3 hours in urgent care on my birthday just to make sure it wasn't a heart attack (which I didn't think it was and it wasn't, but hate to be wrong and pay the price and the phone doc said GO!!!). Gonna have to wear a damn heart monitor for two weeks to see what is going on. Ugh. However, he said that since the episode lasted about 6 hours and I didn't have a heart attack, I am good to keep exercising if I am up for it since my heart essentially ran a marathon and I lived to tell about it. I was soooo tired! Not sure if this is related to COVID or not....
And I am way past 50, closing in on 60! Gasp. ; )
>197 richardderus: Speaking of cardiology -- my turn! Having some irregular heart rhythms and spent 3 hours in urgent care on my birthday just to make sure it wasn't a heart attack (which I didn't think it was and it wasn't, but hate to be wrong and pay the price and the phone doc said GO!!!). Gonna have to wear a damn heart monitor for two weeks to see what is going on. Ugh. However, he said that since the episode lasted about 6 hours and I didn't have a heart attack, I am good to keep exercising if I am up for it since my heart essentially ran a marathon and I lived to tell about it. I was soooo tired! Not sure if this is related to COVID or not....
And I am way past 50, closing in on 60! Gasp. ; )
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>198 msf59: I have pearl ruled two books. Not liking them and moving on. Going with some lighter fun fare -- The Thursday Murder Club and Saving Time. Oh, and we start The Vanishing Half discussion tonight in my class. Yay!
>199 figsfromthistle: >200 BLBera: Definitely. I got new wine glasses for my birthday, so I have to break them in. ; )
>199 figsfromthistle: >200 BLBera: Definitely. I got new wine glasses for my birthday, so I have to break them in. ; )
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>201 Familyhistorian: I remember those carbon copy papers for typing! LOL. Wow, that's been a while and definitely not something I miss. ; )
>202 alcottacre: Hope you are feeling better. I am continuing to have fatigue and now some heart stuff, but I am down to only one nap a day and a decent night's sleep is down from 13 hours to 7-10. Progress!
>202 alcottacre: Hope you are feeling better. I am continuing to have fatigue and now some heart stuff, but I am down to only one nap a day and a decent night's sleep is down from 13 hours to 7-10. Progress!
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>203 witchyrichy: >204 ffortsa: >205 richardderus: Thank you! I could use a break from medical stuff for sure. But you get what you get and have to make the most of it. And drink wine.
>206 karenmarie: LOL. Nice nickname. I think I have a pretty good tough on the keyboard, except I might be a bit heavy with the thumb on the space bar....oops!
>207 EBT1002: Yay! More input on the recycling/reuse thread!
Love that we are doing all these shared reads together. So much fun! And welcome back!
>206 karenmarie: LOL. Nice nickname. I think I have a pretty good tough on the keyboard, except I might be a bit heavy with the thumb on the space bar....oops!
>207 EBT1002: Yay! More input on the recycling/reuse thread!
Love that we are doing all these shared reads together. So much fun! And welcome back!
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>208 SirThomas: Another Moonglow fan!! I have to catch up on my own group read thread. LOL. Okay, life has been a bit busy though so I have a legit excuse. ; )
>209 SirThomas: Twas indeed my birthday! Thank you kind sir. : )
>210 AMQS: Thank you for the kind wishes. I think everyone should taketyping keyboarding classes since we all spend so much time doing it! Why not be faster and more efficient?!
How fun to have that many students. My daughter just started as a teaching assistant in a Montessori school and she interacts with a lot of the very young kids. I hoe you both stay well!!
>209 SirThomas: Twas indeed my birthday! Thank you kind sir. : )
>210 AMQS: Thank you for the kind wishes. I think everyone should take
How fun to have that many students. My daughter just started as a teaching assistant in a Montessori school and she interacts with a lot of the very young kids. I hoe you both stay well!!
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>233 weird_O: Thanks for the link -- I'll definitely take a look. : ) I am glad you feel vindicated. And I believe the correct terminology is "keyboardist" for musical instruments and "Keyboarder" for "a panel of buttons used for typing" although frankly they are interchangeable.
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to everyone for all the wonderful birthday wishes!! Despite the Dr visit (>234 Berly:), I had a lovely dinner with family. And this weekend my friends are hosting an outdoor fondue party. Yay! I should check though...I wonder if it is the cheese and bread kind or the fruit and chocolate kind....!
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