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Announcing TriviaThing!

1ZephCraven
Oct 7, 2024, 12:47 pm

Announcing TriviaThing, a fun, new LibraryThing game!

Developed by Lucy (@knerd.knitter), TriviaThing is a trivia game based on LibraryThing works and Common Knowledge. You can play trivia in several different categories, including popular books, books in your favorite genres, or just the books in your library.

Check it out at https://www.librarything.com/trivia.


Some Details

At present, TriviaThing draws from Book haiku, Epigraphs, First words, Important events, Important places, Last words, People/Characters, and Quotations.

Don't want spoilers? You can turn "Last words" off on "TriviaThing Settings" on the main TriviaThing page.

The genres shown are the ones you've enabled. You can edit those settings here.

There's a Top Scores page, and another for Your Scores. Remember: this is all in fun. Because you can skip questions—not to mention Google things!—and because not all questions are good questions, the scores don't mean much. So don't kick yourself!

Let Lucy and the rest of us know what you think.

2norabelle414
Oct 7, 2024, 1:02 pm

The logo is gorgeous!

3knerd.knitter
Oct 7, 2024, 1:03 pm

The logo was created by @conceptDawg, of course!

4SandraArdnas
Edited: Oct 7, 2024, 1:06 pm

Oh, this is very fun. Love the options what set of books to base it on, as well as the option to turn off last words. Those somehow seem not often all that memorable even for fiction.

5PawsforThought
Oct 7, 2024, 1:12 pm

This is a lot of fun, and dangerous because I can definitely seem myself getting sucked into playing for far too long.

One tiny quibble - it’s a little bit *too* challenging when the quote/epitaph/etc is in a language you don’t speak (I think Czech came up for me and I’m sorry to say it’s not a language I’ve mastered - yet). Of course you can just click “skip”, but that button is a little too discrete - wouldn’t hurt to make it a bit bigger/more obvious.

6bnielsen
Oct 7, 2024, 1:30 pm

Fantastic! Thanks!

7Petroglyph
Oct 7, 2024, 2:03 pm

Fun!

8gilroy
Oct 7, 2024, 2:12 pm

the scores don't mean much.

So a Who's Line Is It Anyway? situation...

9Charon07
Oct 7, 2024, 2:33 pm

the scores don’t mean much.

But they’re public, and they show everyone how much time you’ve wasted! 😳

10paradoxosalpha
Oct 7, 2024, 2:37 pm

Oh, no! It's fun.

11tardis
Oct 7, 2024, 3:04 pm

Gah! Like I need another time sink!

12norabelle414
Oct 7, 2024, 3:13 pm

It's working quite well on mobile

13gilroy
Oct 7, 2024, 4:04 pm

On the Top Scores Page -
Streaks Today - Should this be user's last streak?

It obviously isn't their longest streak as (since it was released today, longest streak and Streaks today would match if they were longest streak today.)

My example is my own score:
I ended on a 3 correct answer streak.
My longest streak was 32 in a row.

14Ennas
Oct 7, 2024, 4:05 pm

This is fun!

15Moloch
Oct 7, 2024, 4:09 pm

This is great! Thanks!

Why not generate questions using the Original pub. date from CK too?

You can maybe generate questions about authors too?

16paradoxosalpha
Oct 7, 2024, 5:01 pm

The relatively excessive population of Common Knowledge for The Holy Bible, Authorized King James Version seems to make it come up more often as both an option and the correct answer when I am playing in "Your Books." The game also surfaced some outlier use of Common Knowledge quotations in Jung's Memories, Dreams, Reflections.

I quickly found that "Science Fiction" was a waste of my time, despite my extensive diachronic familiarity with the genre. All that is washed under the tsunami of recent books I haven't read or even heard of. The "Religion and Spirituality" genre, on the other hand, is not impossible and makes for an interesting challenge.

17knerd.knitter
Oct 7, 2024, 5:03 pm

>13 gilroy: "Today" show current streaks

18norabelle414
Oct 7, 2024, 7:17 pm

https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/8195

It seems like maybe parentheses are breaking the questions? or possibly just haiku questions.
This question just says "University's—ed.pendragon"
But the full haiku on the work page is:
"University's
(whichever universe you
live in) challenging.
(ed.pendragon)"

19knerd.knitter
Oct 7, 2024, 7:34 pm

>18 norabelle414: thanks! I'll look into that!

20rarm
Oct 7, 2024, 8:42 pm

Random observations:

1) Haiku are often more spoiler-y than last lines

2) It's amazing what some people will put for "events" (example: "ice skating" for Spinning)

21timspalding
Oct 7, 2024, 10:23 pm

>20 rarm:

Snort. Yeah. Some weird events. Sometimes it's worth it to change them.

22paradoxosalpha
Oct 7, 2024, 10:29 pm

I encountered "A Novel" as an epigram, so I went and fixed the CK.

23amanda4242
Oct 7, 2024, 10:33 pm

>21 timspalding: Is this really just a sneaky way to get people to work on CK?

24timspalding
Edited: Oct 7, 2024, 10:41 pm

>23 amanda4242:

I'm shocked you would suggest that! :)

I encountered "A Novel" as an epigram, so I went and fixed the CK.

Someone may not understand "epigram"…

25Macbeth
Oct 7, 2024, 11:33 pm

Where has this been all my life :)

Cheers

26thorold
Oct 8, 2024, 9:24 am

I’m getting haikus coming up with nothing except the name of the contributor, e.g. for https://www.librarything.com/work/168882/descriptions what comes up in the question is just “—thorold”

27norabelle414
Edited: Oct 8, 2024, 9:32 am

28knerd.knitter
Oct 8, 2024, 9:47 am

I just recently made a fix on haikus. I'm seeing that trivia question with the haiku displayed. https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/18468 also shows correctly for me. Can you verify that this is still happening for you?

29thorold
Edited: Oct 8, 2024, 9:53 am

Yes, still happening to me. Contributor’s name only. I’m on Safari, iPadOS 18.0.1

E.g. https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/18902

30Dilara86
Oct 8, 2024, 9:54 am

It's not happening if I choose Any Work, bit it still does with Your Books.

31bnielsen
Oct 8, 2024, 9:55 am

>29 thorold: displays fine for me. Firefox, Ubuntu.

32knerd.knitter
Oct 8, 2024, 9:55 am

Ah, I see what might have been the problem. Let me get that up and we'll see if it fixes it.

33knerd.knitter
Oct 8, 2024, 10:08 am

I think haikus should be fixed. There was also an issue with the contributor name showing twice. Let me know if that happens again.

34thorold
Oct 8, 2024, 10:24 am

Yes, works now for the example in >29 thorold:

35norabelle414
Oct 8, 2024, 11:01 am

Working for me too, thank you!

36lorax
Oct 8, 2024, 11:49 am

timspalding (#24):

Someone may not understand "epigram"

Undoubtedly. But the amount of confidence necessary to think "I don't understand this, so I'm going to go ahead and fill it in anyway" is boggling.

37Edward528
Oct 8, 2024, 12:15 pm

This is fun! (And much too addictive...)
Also harder than I thought it would be, but it turns out I recognise Brideshead Revisited even from a French Haiku.

38lilithcat
Oct 8, 2024, 12:23 pm

>33 knerd.knitter:

The plural of “haiku” is “haiku”, not “haikus”.

You just lost a trivia point.

Of course, in fairness, most of the so-called haiku here are not.

39gmathis
Oct 8, 2024, 8:33 pm

Oh, my goodness...a rabbit hole I may never climb out of!

40thorold
Oct 9, 2024, 10:16 am

If I leave the page open at a question and come back to it some hours later, I get the response “Too bad, the correct answer is Error” — maybe the time-out message needs a bit of tweaking.

41paradoxosalpha
Oct 9, 2024, 10:17 am

I've been getting intermittent but pretty frequent Cloudflare timeouts in TriviaThing.

42knerd.knitter
Edited: Oct 9, 2024, 10:21 am

>40 thorold: If I leave the page open at a question and come back to it some hours later, I get the response “Too bad, the correct answer is Error” — maybe the time-out message needs a bit of tweaking.

Have you noticed if this happens even if you get the question right? And does it show you the correct answer in the previous questions section or is it just blank?

43kristilabrie
Oct 9, 2024, 10:37 am

>41 paradoxosalpha: I saw that this morning, too, and let @Ganawa know. He's looking into it!

44paradoxosalpha
Oct 9, 2024, 10:38 am

I also sometimes get this message: "Could not generate question. Please try again. You might want to adjust your filter." The try again is a hyperlink, but I haven't figured out how to "adjust my filter" or what that might mean.

45knerd.knitter
Edited: Oct 9, 2024, 10:50 am

>44 paradoxosalpha: It should probably say "select a different category"; it means it might be running out of questions to generate from the pool/category you're in.

46thorold
Oct 9, 2024, 11:01 am

Thoughts after 300 questions:
— I seem to be stuck on an average of just better than 2/3 right answers, whatever category I go for. I have to assume that the people with the really high scores either have photographic memory of all the books they haven’t read yet or have been making liberal use of the “Skip” button.
— Haiku is usually very easy to guess, even if you haven’t read the book.
— “important events” and “important places” more often than not correspond to things in the title of the book, especially if it’s non-fiction, so they can be very easy to guess. Obviously less so if it’s a Tolkien question and “Kingdom of Wotnot” or “Castle of Someplace”
— Character names are difficult to guess, you either remember them or you don’t. Occasionally the character names might be in the title or there might be something about the name that doesn’t fit in with the geography or period of the other three books.
— Epigraphs are often difficult, unless they happen to contain the title. And I find that the epigraph is rarely something that sticks in my mind when I read a book. But they make good questions, because the author obviously had a logical reason for choosing them.
— First lines make good questions as well, whether you remember them or not. Occasionally you might get a silly one where someone has thought it worth putting in the opening of the editor’s preface of a specific edition of a classic novel as “first words” (“Before anything else, I must thank my proofreaders…”)
— Quotations can be good questions or they can be so random that you wonder why anyone put them into CK
— Last lines are usually hopeless: only a few books have really memorable ones, and people seem to put them into CK whether they are memorable or not. I did enjoy the one where I managed to guess that a set of last lines someone had entered in Norwegian must be Proust, though.

- - -

This is my most entertaining question so far — and I even managed to scrape the right answer out of the recesses of my mind: https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/27763

Most impossible sensible question so far (spot the difference between four Anne Tyler books): https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/27908

47PawsforThought
Oct 9, 2024, 1:03 pm

>46 thorold: Similar to your Anne Tyler question: I got a question about the first line of a book (paraphrasing) “Georgina was waiting for her cousins”. And then I had to choose from four Famous Five novels.

48gilroy
Oct 9, 2024, 1:40 pm

>46 thorold: Why have a good memory? Tim said point blank not to mention Google things!

49AndreasJ
Oct 9, 2024, 2:52 pm

Doing my own books, it’s obvious how the same few books keep recurring - for me, most notably The Great Game and The Lord of the Rings -, presumably because they’ve got a lot of relevant data entered. Might there be some mileage in tweaking the algorithm to boost more obscure books that have some relevant data?

50tardis
Oct 9, 2024, 3:21 pm

I occasionally get the clue in another language even though the book is in English.

51SandraArdnas
Oct 9, 2024, 3:38 pm

>50 tardis: Yep, I suspect it is entered in English CK in those cases. I find such things from time to time and move them to aproprirate language

52prosfilaes
Oct 9, 2024, 4:58 pm

On https://www.librarything.com/trivia/scores

Science & Nature
...
2. prosfilaes 4/6 — 67%
3. fvenez 4/7 — 57%
4. Rusty37 4/5 — 80%
...

I don't have any idea what ordering that is, unless it's the most recent to get 4 answers correct.

53waltzmn
Oct 9, 2024, 6:52 pm

>52 prosfilaes:

It looks to me like it's sorted by most correct answers, with perhaps the order within that sorted on... something else. Time, maybe?

54GraceCollection
Oct 9, 2024, 7:40 pm

>23 amanda4242: Certainly not! Surely the CK page for the answer of the most recent question is readily available for some other reason!! (;

55knerd.knitter
Oct 9, 2024, 9:48 pm

>52 prosfilaes: It might not be sub-sorting by anything. I will look.

56humouress
Edited: Oct 10, 2024, 7:22 am

>1 ZephCraven: Ooh - nice!

Can you only turn off 'last words' and nothing else? For example haiku (>38 lilithcat: no S 😉) can be a bit random.

>13 gilroy: Yes, it's a bit confusing.

How often do the scores update? I've only discovered this game today and played it. The 'Your scores' page tells me my top streak is 11 which should put me on the board for today at 3rd or 4th but I don't see my name at all (10th place has a streak of 4, I think).

57knerd.knitter
Oct 10, 2024, 7:51 am

>52 prosfilaes: I've updated the sorting to go by percent after the number of questions correct.

>56 humouress: Scores update about every 5 minutes. As far as "Streaks Today," this actually refers to current streaks, not your longest streak of the day.

58rarm
Oct 10, 2024, 11:05 am

Okay, this one made me laugh. https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/36779

59al.vick
Oct 10, 2024, 11:42 am

>58 rarm: So amusing that Socks by Beverly Clearly was not one of the choices! Socks being the name of the cat.

60thorold
Oct 12, 2024, 10:02 pm

The fun of this game is really in seeing what people put into CK:

“Which work has the following important events? — masturbation”

https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/48876

61paradoxosalpha
Edited: Oct 12, 2024, 10:40 pm

>60 thorold:
See, I knew the answer to that one, and I haven't even read the book! So I think the CK is justified in that case.

62Stevil2001
Oct 12, 2024, 11:24 pm

>61 paradoxosalpha: Haha, yes, I knew what the answer was going to be before even clicking on the link and seeing the options, and I haven't read it either!

63vancouverdeb
Oct 13, 2024, 6:47 am

Fun!Thanks!

64Edward528
Oct 13, 2024, 11:57 am

>60 thorold: Yes, it's actually more fun when things are not quite right...

I'm stil trying to get my head around how The Iliad contains the 'event' Classical Antiquity.

65Nevov
Oct 13, 2024, 12:33 pm

A small bug!
It says TrivaThing instead of TriviaThing in the message between the logo and 'Start Easy':

Tell us what you think about TrivaThing on Talk.

66reading_fox
Oct 15, 2024, 6:10 am

Another easy one:
"Which work has the following last words?

Here ends The Silmarillion:
"
https://www.librarything.com/trivia/p/4

67knerd.knitter
Oct 15, 2024, 7:45 am

>65 Nevov: Augh! I will fix that!

68FiLoMa
Oct 19, 2024, 2:34 am

Definitely lots of fun. I think I just wasted an hour or more playing. Very addictive and shows just how many of my books I have not yet read.

I would like to know how to get the trivia page if I'm on my home page. I've book marked the link, but have a menu option up the top would make it really quick to get to. I couldn't work out which menu it would sit under and I clicked on all but "your books" and "add books" as I know it wouldn't be there.

Is it possible to have in trivathing settings an option of only read books? That might give me a bit more of a sporting chance LOL.

69PawsforThought
Oct 19, 2024, 2:45 am

>68 FiLoMa: It’s under the More menu. Just scroll down until you get to the Games section.

70Edward528
Oct 19, 2024, 12:02 pm

Is it International Discworld Week and has nobody told me? I swear 90% of my questions have at least one Pratchett novel among the choices, and often four...

71starquilt43
Oct 19, 2024, 1:20 pm

Love, love, love it! I had two problems: don't know what "book haiku" means, tho I can guess. But I might have gotten a better score if I'd know. Also, where the answers are listed, why is there a thumbs down icon below even my correct answers?

72WordMaven
Oct 19, 2024, 3:26 pm

>1 ZephCraven: Well THAT was a lot of fun. Too much fun! What a great way to kill time. Not that I have time to kill, but I knew I was sliding into the abyss with no way back so I bailed while I still could. But I'll be back. This could be my Solitaire.

73WordMaven
Oct 19, 2024, 3:27 pm

>2 norabelle414: It is a fun logo.

74Aquila
Oct 19, 2024, 6:04 pm

>70 Edward528: My guess is that Discworld books have a lot of quotations entered into LibraryThing. Pratchett quotes well, and his fans are legion.

75Aquila
Oct 19, 2024, 6:15 pm

>71 starquilt43: The thumbs down is a button you can use, not a mark of someone's opinon. You can click the thumbs down icon if you want to mark the question as not very good, not just when you answer it, but also when you go back and look at your answers.

You've pretty much figured out the book haiku from context, but like all the categories feeding into trivia it's a field on any book's main page and you can click the question mark above it for help.
https://blog.librarything.com/2011/11/book-haiku-field-added/
https://www.librarything.com/more/haiku

76ArlieS
Oct 20, 2024, 12:09 am

So far, with works from my library, I can usually pick the author, and often the series - but there will be at least 2 choices, sometimes 4, from the same series. The result is very frustrating.

77MrsLee
Oct 20, 2024, 12:58 am

What fun!

>24 timspalding: This definitely makes me want to delve into the CK on books in my catalog, if only to bring more choices into play. I usually get either LotR, Terry Pratchett, or one of my murder mystery series. Still get lots wrong because I have a memory like a steel sieve.

I adore when the answer is on the cover, and the foreign language quotes are fun because then I can play detective.

I don't see any nonfiction show up when I'm playing with my books, is there some toggle I need to joggle?

78jollyavis
Oct 20, 2024, 11:41 am

I absolutely adore this. It is what I've been dreaming of. I can see how all my long, depressing winter evenings are going to be spent!
I also didn't know what CK was before reading this thread but that is opening up a lot of ideas too.

79tardis
Oct 20, 2024, 1:50 pm

TriviaThing highlights how long it's been since I read most of my books. I can frequently get the correct author but if there are multiple choices by the same author I often get the wrong book. Rex Stout is a great example. I almost always know which quote is by him, but not which book it's from.

80MrsLee
Oct 20, 2024, 6:00 pm

>79 tardis: Same here.

81haydninvienna
Oct 20, 2024, 10:18 pm

82knerd.knitter
Oct 21, 2024, 1:00 pm

Added a stats page for TriviaThing: https://www.librarything.com/stats/MEMBERNAME/trivia

83humouress
Oct 22, 2024, 10:26 am

>76 ArlieS: Quite; especially when (as is usually the case) I've only read one of them in the series.

>77 MrsLee: At least it's steel ;0)

I love it when the quote has the book title at the end.

>82 knerd.knitter: Ooh, cool. I couldn't see myself beating my (not very) high score (even though I've only stuck to my own books) but looking at the stats, I've got a higher percentage right than I expected. I'll keep going then.

84LibraryCin
Nov 3, 2024, 9:27 pm

>58 rarm: LOL!

By the way, this is fun!

85court.ordered.books
Nov 15, 2024, 2:28 pm

Absolutely love this!

Have you considered a feature to only include books in a certain collection? (ie. I'd lose so much time if I could have it only include books I've read.)

86anglemark
Nov 15, 2024, 4:19 pm

>85 court.ordered.books: Create a collection for the books you have read. (I have one anyway.)

87AnnieMod
Nov 15, 2024, 4:41 pm

>86 anglemark: But you cannot do TriviaThing only based on 1 collection - which is what the request is for.

88anglemark
Nov 16, 2024, 3:58 am

>87 AnnieMod: I think you are being unreasonable now. Am I supposed to BOTH read AND understand the posts I'm replying to? On a Friday night?

89bnielsen
Nov 16, 2024, 4:50 am

>88 anglemark: If you just understand them, you're not required to read them :-)

90paradoxosalpha
Nov 18, 2024, 10:56 pm

The TriviaThing feature is also an incentive to populate relevant CK fields.

91Keeline
Nov 20, 2024, 12:26 pm

>90 paradoxosalpha:, yes, as noted in #23 and #24.

James

92laurelin88
Jan 20, 2025, 5:18 am

I love this game, just discovered it!!
Just wondering - does anyone know how could I play with my books? The option seems to be greyed out?

93anglemark
Jan 20, 2025, 6:41 am

>92 laurelin88: It shouldn't be, unless it's because you have catalogued too few books. I can see why they might have disabled it in that case. Have you tried another browser?

94AndreasJ
Jan 20, 2025, 8:39 am

TriviaThing seems to be acting up right now. If I try to play with my books, it seemingly randomly works or generates an error message along the lines of "cannot generate a question".

95anglemark
Jan 20, 2025, 9:50 am

>94 AndreasJ: Hmm, it worked when I played around with it for some time earlier today, but that might be an explanation for what @laurelin88 experiences.

(Of course, I still think there might be a downward limit to how small a library can be before TriviaThing is meaningful for Your Books.)

96themulhern
Jun 19, 2025, 10:24 pm

I don't like it that a year can be an "event". There should be some better way.

97Keeline
Jun 20, 2025, 10:44 am

I don't know how they work it but it seems as if some books have questions prepared and many others would not. If a collection is based on well-known books (classics and best-sellers) then it makes sense that there would be trivia questions submitted for them. But the more obscure the book, the less likely that a crowd-source set of questions will hit it.

Maybe it is not the size of the collection but the nature of the collection?

James

98knerd.knitter
Jun 20, 2025, 10:47 am

>97 Keeline: The questions are not crowd-sourced but auto-generated based on the Common Knowledge data for the books. If a book has no Common Knowledge data, then no questions can be generated for which it is the correct answer, at least. It might be a choice, but it couldn't be a correct answer.

99SandraArdnas
Jun 20, 2025, 4:39 pm

>96 themulhern: It can't normally, but anyone can edit CK and you'll stumble across odditites from time to time. I'd delete it. Just a time frame is NOT an event.

100Keeline
Jun 21, 2025, 11:57 pm

>98 knerd.knitter:, I don't know enough about the nature of this trivia. Most trivia has deeper sense of the content of a work.

I am thinking about the sort of items in CK like the original publishing date, first lines, haiku, locales, characters. Some of these will be better populated than others for different works.

James

101knerd.knitter
Jun 23, 2025, 7:40 am

>100 Keeline: Some of these will be better populated than others for different works

That is correct.

102Keeline
Jun 23, 2025, 11:19 am

>101 knerd.knitter:, so this is another undisguised method to encourage members to add more to CK. We've seen that before and it is a good goal. Different people need different motivations.

James

103norabelle414
Sep 9, 2025, 10:08 am

These two questions have the same haiku for the same work attributed to two different users:
https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/98289
https://www.librarything.com/trivia/q/125762

I checked the work page, and the haiku is only there once, with the second user's name: https://www.librarything.com/work/4979986/social#section_haiku

104knerd.knitter
Sep 9, 2025, 10:24 am

I made a fix: that first one should have been expired for out-of-date data, but because it was using the old haiku data instead of the new haiku data. Sorry about that!

105norabelle414
Sep 9, 2025, 10:28 am

>104 knerd.knitter: That.....doesn't seem right. Did the first haiku get deleted and then re-added word-for-word by the second person? I notice all of the haikus on the work page are attributed to the same person. While it's very plausible that one person would write four haikus for one book, could it be that a bug caused some of the haikus to be attributed to the wrong person?

106knerd.knitter
Sep 9, 2025, 10:36 am

The first one may have actually been wrong, because I believe if changes were made to the old haiku data it was changing the attribution, which it shouldn't do. So I think when I converted them I went back and got the original attribution instead of the attributions of the edits.