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LizzieD: 2012*7 (Dog Days: July, hotter; August, hottest

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Fall on Your Knees
The Broom of the System
A Splendor of Letters
The Siege
We Need to Talk about Kevin
Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy
Up the Country
Lord of Misrule
Loitering with Intent
The Bone People
Bring Up the Bodies
Means of Ascent

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1. Half of a Yellow Sun - the short-lived life of Biafra as lived by five characters - LOVE!
2. Revelation - Matthew Shardlake #4 - another fine entry in a fine series
3. Run with the Horsemen - a reread of one of my top 10 funniest books - coming of age in rural Georgia during the Depression
4. The Invisible Woman - the case for the relationship between Nelly Ternan and CD and what came next - fascinating!
5. The Castings Trilogy:Blood Ties - first in a fantasy 3-some - classic fantasy - I'm reading on!
6. Our Mutual Friend - money, deception, loyalty, society, inspired prose and laughter: Dickens! - third + reading!
7. The Floating Book - 15th century Venice, printers, and Catullus - thumping good read category

1. *A Trip to the Stars - magical realism - lost, found, stars - Why had I never heard of Christopher before?
2. In a Summer Season - older Kate loves younger husband Dermot - E. Taylor, but not among my favorites
3. Hiero's Journey - classic post-apocalyptic adventure - lots of fun
4. The Warden - classic - I appreciate it more than I love it.
5. Larry's Party - analysis of an ordinary guy - very enjoyable - Orange winner
6. The Castings Trilogy - Deep Water - second in the series - at least as good as the first; maybe better!
7. Tulip Fever - passion and betrayal in 17th century Amsterdam - not quite what I expected
8. *Winter Journal - obviously, I don't know what a memoir is supposed to do...
9. August Folly - the perfect way to finish this month - love and people in Barsetshire in the 1930s

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As Far as You Can Go - PBS
The Castings Trilogy - AMP ✔
Eleanor Roosevelt: Volume 1 ✔ - PBS
Eleanor Roosevelt: Volume 2 - AMP
The Floating Book - PBS ✔
Accordion Crimes - PBS
The Devil's Star - PBS
The Island of Lost Maps - PBS
The Solitary House - PBS
The Household Guide to Dying - PBS
The Unforsaken Hiero - PBS ✔
The Kindly Ones - PBS
Bitch in a Bonnet - Kindle cheapo

1. The Dark Monk - Kindle Daily Deal
2. The Great Stink - Kindle Monthly Deal
3. The Silence of the Grave - Kindle Monthly Deal
4. Metagame - Kindle Monthly Deal
5. The Quantum Thief - Kindle Monthly Deal
6. Jutland Cottage - PBS
7. Dickens and Women - Abebooks
8. Winter Journal ✔ - ER ARC (Thanks, LT!)
9. War Brides - Kindle sale - and really, mostly for my ma
10. The Suspicions of Mr. Whicher - PBS
11. Great House ✔ - PBS
12. The Simple Truth - gift from a friend
13. The Judge - the same!
14. Union Street - AMP
15. The Mistress of Spices - PBS
16. Veronica - PBS
17. Dr. Bowdler's Legacy - PBS
18. Women of the Left Bank: Paris, 1900-1940 - AMP
19. The Uninvited Guests - PBS
20. Passing - PBS
21. Five Quarters of the Orange - PBS
22. Desolation Road - PBS
23. Before the Dawn ✔ - PBS

Jul 17, 2012, 10:01pm Top

Hi Peggy. How's OMF going?

Jul 17, 2012, 10:11pm Top

Hi, Beth. Oh golly gee. Mostly, it's not right now. I'm having a small meltdown and not getting any read. It's not that I don't love it; I may have overdone it putting this on top of Dombey and Son and reading about CD and Nelly Ternan in The Invisible Woman. Then there is the small matter of game playing that has consumed the last two days and has yet to run its course. I'm so bad.

Jul 17, 2012, 10:15pm Top

That's the very image of a hot dog.

as long as you are having fun, Peggy!

Jul 17, 2012, 10:24pm Top

Here's a long bit I want to quote: part of Bradley Headstone's marriage proposal to Lizzie Hexam. (The College Board paired this with Mr. Collins's proposal to Elizabeth Bennett many years ago when they were asking AP English Language students to compare and contrast.)


You know what I am going to say. I love you. What other men may mean when they use that expression, I cannot tell; what I mean is, that I am under the influence of some tremendous attraction which I have resisted in vain, and which overmasters me. You could draw me to fire, you could draw me to water, you could draw me to the gallows, you could draw me to any death, you could draw me to anything I have most avoided, you could draw me to any exposure and disgrace. This and the confusion of my thoughts, so that I am fit for nothing, is what I mean by your being the ruin of me. But if you would return a favourable answer to my offer of myself in marriage, you could draw me to any good--every good--with equal force. My circumstances are quite easy, and you would want for nothing. My reputation stands quite high, and would be a shield for yours. If you saw me at my work, able to do it well and respected in it, you might even come to take a sort of pride in me;--I would try hard that you should. Whatever considerations I may have thought of against this offer, I have conquered, and I make it with all my heart. Your brother favours me to the utmost, and it is likely that we might live and work together; anyhow, it is certain that he would have my best influence and support. I don't know what I could say more if I tried. I might only weaken what is ill enough said as it is. I only add that if it is any claim on you to be earnest, I am in thorough earnest, dreadful earnest."

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Peggy: In the margins of the proposal, I have "rem. of P&P." We English students/teachers obviously have all read the same books ;)

I hope all is well with you. And you've read this previously, correct?

I love your photo. I see you, too, loved Arcadia. Wasn't that a gem?

Jul 17, 2012, 10:27pm Top

That would definitely be an interesting essay question -- and I know which I would argue in favor of and what my arguments would be...

Jul 17, 2012, 10:28pm Top

Hello Dear One.

Your opening photo says it all.

It is hot, hot, hot this summer. Today it was 98 here in NE PA and tomorrow promises to be even hotter. I wasn't able to walk the puppy tonight for fear her little paws would get toasted.

Jul 17, 2012, 10:34pm Top

OMG Peggy, that dog photo just says it all. I love it.

Jul 17, 2012, 10:40pm Top

Great thread-opening phot, Peggy! He looks like I feel.

Jul 17, 2012, 10:43pm Top

Dog days indeed! Nice new thread. I am about to start The Siege and just picked up Loitering With Intent at a library book sale so it's nice to see those on your 2012 favorites.

Jul 17, 2012, 10:48pm Top

Hi Peggy,
Not so hot here, even if it unseasonably warm (it was the hottest day a July had seen in 14 years on the weekend). The mild nor'wester made its appearance today too and was nice and warn without the gust.
So hello to a new thread for you and love that your list of best of the year is so long!

Jul 17, 2012, 10:50pm Top

Lovely new thread :) and beautiful picture of the dog.

Why can we not shift some of the Weather? Not fair? We still had NO summer - all we have is rain, rain, dancing in the rain, rain, rain, ***huhuhbuhu****

Jul 17, 2012, 10:52pm Top

Happy New Thread!

Marvelous picture, very steampunk!

Jul 18, 2012, 7:38am Top

I love the dog photo too! Is that your dog or just a clever pic you found somewhere?

Jul 18, 2012, 8:34am Top

hummmmm maybe I get get Lilly, aka Snarky to sit still long enough for me to dress her up...

I doubt it though. She is quite a bugger. Will spent 45 minutes in the heat yesterday trying to get her to come to him so that he could take her in the house.

Jul 18, 2012, 4:29pm Top

Happy new thread Peggy - is that May in the first photo showing off her very fine shades? We used to put reindeer antlers on Toby at Christmas and occasionally my Dad's spectacles although I had to be a bit more careful with those. Hope you are all managing to stay cool.

I love the Dickens quotes from your last thread - I managed to race through the second half whilst lying on the sofa with my cold last week but seeing the quotes brings it all back again. Bradley Headstone has always given me the creeps...

Jul 18, 2012, 5:05pm Top

Welcome, welcome to the new thread, Heather, Linda, Laura, Lucy, DB, Megan, Megan, Anne, Terri, Bonnie, Suzanne, and Beth! Having visitors makes the transfer worthwhile! (I had an AP student once who insisted that the word was worthwild. What was 'worthwhile' supposed to mean anyway???
For all inquirers about the very hot dog, that's not May. She's a black lab type - probably the blackest dog I've ever met. I loved the picture though, and it's as close to her as I could come. She doesn't have any sun goggles, and her tongue is a fashionable blueberry color - a little chow in there somewhere.
Beth, I see elements of both Darcy and Collins in that Headstone proposal. What I'm pretty sure that nobody here would say is what my 16 year-olds maintained, every single one. They thought it was a brilliant proposal. He was willing to do anything for her, and that has to be love. If they picked up on the obsession, condescension, lack of personal interest in her as a person, they quashed it. We had quite a lively discussion, which ended in my telling them the end of that story. They didn't think it was a fair question, but they did get an idea of the level of thinking they were going to be expected to do, so it was useful.
I'll be back with a DD before night's end, I trust.
(If you do get Lilly dressed, I hope you have the camera right ready, Linda!) (I did love Arcadia, Beth! I'm sure that it will be on the Orange long list --- assuming and trusting that there will be an Orange long list.) (DB and Megan, weather-shifting would be excellent if we were in control of it. I really don't want anybody's 2-3 months of snow, please.) (Heather, BH is totally creepy but an unusually round character for our guy CD, I think.)

Jul 18, 2012, 6:24pm Top

Great minds, Peg---that's the quote I was just contemplating posting.

Presumably the kids who think that's a great proposal also think of Romeo And Juliet as a great love story?? :)

Jul 18, 2012, 7:15pm Top

Great discussion, very enjoyable. Have nothing to add but want to register my appreciation.

Jul 18, 2012, 10:12pm Top

Oh yeah, Liz. Romeo and Juliet, Aeneas and Dido - great love stories! Lucy, speaking for the contributors, thank you. Speaking for me, it'll be better when you join up!
(Two typical as ifs)_


"Here, conveniently and healthfully elevated above the level of the living, were the dead and the tombstones; some of the latter droopingly inclined from the perpendicular, as if they were ashamed of the lies they told."

"Tippins, with a bewitching little scream, opines that we shall every one of us be murdered in our beds. Eugene eyes her as if some of us would be enough for him."

Wouldn't Lady Tippins be a great name for a cat if only she were a worthy creature to name a nice cat after?

Jul 19, 2012, 12:49am Top

Great quote. The Vaneerings dinner parties are priceless.

Jul 19, 2012, 7:51pm Top

Hi, Beth! Here's a DD selection from the Wilfers' anniversary celebration.

"'Well, Ma,' returned Lavvy, 'since you will force it out of me, I must respectfully take leave to say that your family are no doubt under the greatest obligations to you for having an annual toothache on your wedding day, and that it's very disinterested i you, and an immense blessing to them. Still, on the whole, it is possible to be too boastful even of that boon.'"

"And she did smile; manifestly freezing the blood of Mr. George Sampson by doing so."

(The last is Lavvy's beau looking at a prospective mother-in-law.)

Jul 19, 2012, 8:33pm Top

Yes, what is with folks who think of Juliet as just a perfect example of "lurve"???? I mean, really. Stupidity, possibly. Adolescent angst and self-importance, possibly. Sigh.

Jul 19, 2012, 9:48pm Top

Hi Peggy, I lost track of you for a bit! Wondered where you were and came to investigate: aha, a new July thread! I ADORE the photo of the summer-cool dog!

Jul 19, 2012, 10:05pm Top

Another great quote. I liked one about George. It might be from the same party:

"Mr. Sampson perceiving his frail bark to be labouring among shoals and breakers, thought it safest not to refer back to any particular thing that he had been told, lest he should refer back to the wrong thing. With admirable seamanship he got his bark into deep water by murmuring, 'Yes indeed.'"

I hope to finish this weekend.

Jul 19, 2012, 11:09pm Top

Beth, I'm just JEALOUS. I won't finish this weekend although I did read my obligatory 50 pp today for the first time in a long time. I'm in the Bad Boffin section, which is not my favorite with Wegg and Venus falling all over each other in their quest for treasure. I'm not sure whether your G. Sampson quote is from the same party, but it's a good one. He can't say that he wasn't warned!
Hi, Nancy! Glad to see you!!! You too, Suzanne. I believe the R&J romancers have to be adolescents at heart.

Jul 19, 2012, 11:21pm Top

Sorry Peggy - a bit late to the party. Congratulations on your latest thread. Struggling a bit this week to keep up due to work pressures.

Jul 20, 2012, 10:27am Top

I have just started the Bad Boffin section myself.

I had to giggle all over again seeing Eugene eyes her as if some of us would be enough for him posted here.

On the 16 year old reaction to BH's proposal: I wonder if you have to accumulate a little bit of life experience before "I would die for you" (or without you) starts to sound manipulative and controlling rather than romantic. I frequently find that what passes for romantic gives me (now) the creeps. I suspect my 16-year-old self would have seen things differently.

Jul 20, 2012, 11:05am Top

Hi, Paul, take care of yourself!
Anne, I know I was totally goopy at 16 too. What's chilling and creepy about BH is not so much "I would die for you" as "I would kill for you," implied in the you could draw me to the gallows part. Alarm bells!!!!
I didn't say, and meant to, that I know you will be wrapped up in The Siege. *Loitering* is just amazingly witty and clever; I need to read more Spark!
Since I'm here, here's another DD! Hope it's another of your favorites.


""Mr Wegg extended his right hand, and declared it to be a hand which never yet. Without entering into more minute particulars. Mr Venus, sticking to his tea, briefly professed his belief as polite forms required of him, that it WAS a hand which never yet. But contented himself with looking at it, and did not take it to his bosom."

Jul 20, 2012, 12:20pm Top

#31 I frequently find that what passes for romantic gives me (now) the creeps. Precisely why I will not be reading Wuthering Heights again any time soon.

Jul 20, 2012, 12:55pm Top

#33 LOL. Nor will I.

Jul 20, 2012, 1:12pm Top

I actually did read it, for a book group, within the past year. The High Romantic dysfunction of it! I don't think anyone in our group found it a viable love story - more a dramatization of disfunction. Afterwards, I tossed it.

Jul 20, 2012, 3:35pm Top

Great dog picture! At one point, I considered buying my dog a set of goggles and taking him for a ride on a friends motorcycle that has a dog carrier for a back seat...but decided that a maniac dog trying to strip of goggles might not be conducive to balance.

Jul 20, 2012, 6:17pm Top

Oh dear, oh dear. I had in mind to reread Wuthering Heights sometime soon; I'm reconsidering.) Thanks for the heads up Linda, Nancy, and Judy. Hi, Tad! Good decision!

This is one of my favorite funny books. It's set during the Depression on a red-clay farm in Georgia and moves episodically through the coming of age of Porter Osborne, Jr. My one dislike, and it's an annoying one, is that Sams refers to Porter as "the boy" and also refers to "the mother," "the father," "the grandmother", and "the grandfather" through the whole book. This practice doesn't make Porter's experience universal; it simply makes the narration pretentious.
Aside from that, I relax and enjoy. One of my regrets, in fact, is that my father didn't live long enough to read this. When my uncle did, he said that it truly caught his young life growing up on a dirt farm in North Carolina. (I wish that I could have told the author about the Sunday afternoon that my father, his brothers, and the Lefler boys shaved every chicken in the Leflers' flock bald with their father's new electric razor. It would have fit right in.)
Little Porter is small for his age and so precocious that he skips a grade, so he is always the runt of his class and always out to win himself distinction. His father not only oversees the family farm, but is a lawyer, chairman of the school board, and an alcoholic. He and Porter exchange notes as their prime means of communication since his father is rarely at home when Porter is awake. His mother, a devout Southern Baptist, knows how to Raise a Boy Right and put the fear of the Lord into him. Porter's religion is carefully calculated to make himself look good except for times when he gives devout and sincere thanks. His father says early on, "He's not a bad boy. He minds well. I just can't think of enough things to tell him not to do." In fact as he gets older, Porter calculates the severity of the beating a prank is going to earn him and generally decides the result will be worth it.
As to romance, (in deference to the discussion above), Porter speaks the words to his date on prom night (when she emerges in a gown of pink net) that every girl longs to hear: "You look just like a Campbell Kid in a ball of cotton candy."
I read this one aloud to my aunt the year that she died, and she was as entertained as I was and am. Now I'm off to The Whisper of the River that takes Porter to college. Then there's the last book, When All the World Was Young that takes him into WWII as a medic.

Edited: Jul 20, 2012, 6:41pm Top

Various extremely selective film / TV adaptations have given the world a very skewed impression of Wuthering Heights - how bizarre to turn a paeon to violent familial dysfunction into A Great Love Story!

I find it very unnerving that some people go on thinking of it as A Great Love Story after they've read it.

Jul 20, 2012, 8:54pm Top

I listened to WH last winter - my response was so different than when I first read it - this time it seemed so over the top - Heathcliff especially.

Edited: Jul 23, 2012, 10:21am Top

I'll just say that romance is one thing; A Great Love Story is something else again!

THE INVISIBLE WOMAN: The Story of Nelly Ternan and Charles Dickens by Claire Tomalin

I expect sterling research to support rational suggestions and beautiful writing from Claire Tomalin, and this one doesn't disappoint. I don't think that any serious Dickens scholar doubts that CD had a lengthy sexual relationship with Ellen Ternan. Most people familiar with his biography also know that she was born into an acting family and took the stage with her parents and two older sisters at a very early age. She met Dickens when the women in the family were hired to fill out the complement of actors for his production of his play The Frozen Deep. She was the prettiest of the three sisters and the same age as CD's daughter Katey. In a very little time her name disappeared from any roster of actors, and she became an invisible woman. Tomalin chases down clues about her life and her relationship with the great man from disparate sources - rental payments, CD's own portable notebook from the year 1867, anecdotes passed down in servants' families, etc., in order to speculate on their time together.
In case anyone cares to read this, I won't reveal some of her more startling suggestions, but they carry conviction to me.
Well worth seeking out!

Jul 22, 2012, 5:48pm Top

She's such an adept biographer, I can't wait to read it!

Jul 22, 2012, 6:01pm Top

Hi Peggy, I am enjoying the quotes from OMF. Having recently read it allows me to have some context, although Dickens' quotes are pretty great stand alones.

"Worthwild" is too funny. My oldest son always played things "by year"! He was the debater so he could give me many reasons why he was correct.

Jul 22, 2012, 7:50pm Top

Peggy, fascinating review of The Invisible Woman. I don't know anything about CD's background; this sounds reliable and intriguing.

Jul 22, 2012, 9:29pm Top

The second half of Richard Flanagan's Wanting is a fictionalized account of Dickens' affair with Nelly. I actually preferred the first half of the book, which had to do with Sir John and Lady Franklin's time in Tasmania, and their attempted "adoption" of an aborigine girl to show that they could "civilize" her.

Jul 22, 2012, 9:30pm Top

Thanks, Nancy. This is really a bio of Ternan rather than Dickens, but he looms large in her life. I didn't say, but after he died, she remade herself.... It is well worth reading if only for the insights into later Victorian womanhood.

Jul 23, 2012, 12:46am Top

Hi Peggy! Love the photo up top. I'm intrigued by The Invisible Woman -- great review!

Jul 23, 2012, 1:54am Top

You kind of make me want to pick up Dickens. Must wait until kids are back at school. Must. :)

Jul 23, 2012, 10:34am Top

Anne and Jenn, you're both most welcome here! Anne, I hope you can find a copy of *IW* (and thank you); I'm now on the hunt for an affordable copy of an '83 Dickens and Women. I've looked only at AMP where the low price is $32.97. Good grief!
Jenn, I hope CD will be a back-to-school treat for you. Try Bleak House!!!


"He'd be sharper than a serpent's tooth, if he wasn't as dull as ditch water."

Jul 23, 2012, 11:15am Top

There's a copy on eBay for $18.73; no bidding, just "Buy it Now" at that price with free shipping. If that helps.

Jul 23, 2012, 11:37am Top

#48 I'll second Peggy's suggestion of Bleak House, Jenn. On her rec, I read listened to it last year and LOVED it! Not sure whether you listen to audiobooks; this one was Blackstone Audio read by Robert Whitfield. 5*!!!

Jul 23, 2012, 2:20pm Top

Thanks, Linda. I looked, but (I think I'm a bit glad; I never pay $18.73 for a book) it's the wrong book. I'm after Dickens and Women by Michael Slater..... Meanwhile, I'm back to Amazon to see about *Dickens's Women*. I'm not sure that Tomalin mentions it, but it may be newer than her book.
So, Nancy, when are you going to read listen to your next Dickens!?!?!?!?!

Jul 23, 2012, 5:56pm Top

BLOOD TIES by Pamela Freeman

Lucy and Tui have both written happily about this fantasy outing, and I'm here to tell you that they are right. It's a good one! The world-building and magic are convincing, and I'm gladly proceeding into #2. This is just the thing for summer!

Jul 23, 2012, 6:28pm Top

>>#51 I had a quick squiz around - you might not get one for much less, Peg. There's a copy listed at AbeBooks for $13.94, through Better World Books (seems cheaper to order through ABE, though - they seem to be offering both the discount and free shipping).

Jul 23, 2012, 6:46pm Top

Thank you, Liz! I snagged it!!! No discount that I could find, but the free shipping was the final selling point.

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By discount I meant it would have been more expensive from Better World Books direct - when they list at ABE there's usually a trade-off between price and free shipping; it varies which way of ordering has a lower total.

Jul 23, 2012, 6:56pm Top

I read Wuthering Heights for the first time in 2010; I wouldn't have called it a love story, more a story about obsession. Not sorry I read it and think it's very evocative and chilling, but NOT a love story!

Hmm, makes me think about realistic definitions of love:
-- I won't mention that I've heard you tell that same story 27 times before
-- I'll pick up your socks
-- I'll hold your head while you suffer from food poisoning & upchuck your entire dinner
-- I'll go out of my way to look for your favorite ice cream flavor without being asked.


Jul 23, 2012, 7:09pm Top

Ohhh Peggy, you are cranking out the reviews. Run with the Horsemen sounds like it might bein the same vein as Cold Sassy Tree which I absolutely loved back in the 90s. And the Tomalin book sounds quite good but I think I might start with her bio of Dickens first. I'm enjoying my look at Dickens this year and hope to get that in sometime before the end of the year. NNext Dickens up for me will be David Copperfield.

Jul 23, 2012, 7:39pm Top

#51 I think OMF is next up for me. I've got this one on audio, too. Now, just to get to it. I've also got the first of Trollope's Palliser novels ready to go ... I loved Barchester and will read this next series, too.

Jul 24, 2012, 4:47pm Top

Ah, Liz, thanks for the explanation. I thought I had been stupid.
Suzanne, your realistic definitions of love make me chuckle. I could add some of my own along the same lines.
Bonnie, I had never thought of *Horsemen* and *Cold Sassy* in the same light. They are both funny coming-of-age stories about boys in Georgia, but they don't have much more than that in common. *CST* is pretty romantic, all in all. I enjoyed it too, but I never believed a fair amount about it - the origin of the town's name, the whole train episode, for example. Somehow, O.A. Burns was able to distance the reader from the bad stuff. No distancing possible with Sams! Porter's father's alcoholism is quietly destructive in the way that polite alcoholism is. I think that part of the difference is the time of publication (I can't remember when *CST* came out originally) and the fact that Sams is a man and Burns, an older woman. (And now I've googled them both and see that Sams was a couple of years older than Burns and that they were published within 10 years of each other!) Anyway, thanks for encouraging me to think about these two together!
Nancy, good luck!!! I really enjoyed the Palliser novels and have never been able to get into Barchester - I blush to reveal it!
I'll have to be back with today's DD!

Jul 24, 2012, 6:20pm Top

If you are interested in the Barchester books, Peggy, I'll be doing a tutored read of The Warden with Heather next month - love to see you there!

Jul 24, 2012, 8:30pm Top

Thank you, Liz. That might move me to read them at last. I understand that The Warden is the hardest to get through and then it's all a great pleasure.

Jul 24, 2012, 8:34pm Top

I always say of The Warden that people should read it before Barchester Towers, but they won't appreciate until after they've read Barchester Towers. :)

I'm a little nervous about this one - goodness knows, 19th century Anglican in-fighting isn't exactly my area of expertise!

Edited: Jul 24, 2012, 8:44pm Top

That sounds like a fair deal, Liz. Uh --- do you know somebody whose area of expertise is 19th century in-fighting? I'm afraid I think that would be one scary individual.


"Mr and Mrs Lammle had come to breakfast with Mr and Mrs Boffin. They were not absolutely uninvited, but had pressed themselves with so much urgency on the golden couple, that evasion of the honour and pleasure of their company would have been difficult, if desired."

Jul 24, 2012, 9:01pm Top

I know people who understand it from an historical perspective; trying to pick it up from an overdose of 19th century literature is pretty bewildering, though! :)

Jul 24, 2012, 9:32pm Top

Many fascinating things in Wuthering Heights but love is not really one of them.

I thought I'd get to The Siege this month but it's going to have to wait.

But I've finished Our Mutual Friend!

I think I will take some time off from Dickens' novels and finally turn to the Tomalin biography.

I'm planning to tackle The Warden in the near future and may tag along on the tutored read, since Liz so kindly invited me.

(Suz what an excellent definition of true love. ROFL It begs for expanding on...)

Jul 24, 2012, 9:44pm Top

>59 LizzieD: Hmmm lots to think about Peggy. Of course I'm trying to compare a book I read a long time ago and remember very little of, specifically, and a book I haven't read yet. LOL.

Jul 24, 2012, 10:49pm Top

Hi Peggy,
Catching up is hard to do, but I did it!
See you soon for another dose of Daily Dickens.

Edited: Jul 25, 2012, 7:57am Top

So Peggy what will you Dose us with Daily after Dickens??? We will all fall into the Doldrums.

And Despair. And Decline.

Jul 25, 2012, 11:41am Top

LOL, Lucy. Yes, Peggy, how will you save us from the doldrums, despair, and decline??

Edited: Jul 25, 2012, 1:20pm Top

Oh dear, Megan, Lucy, and Nancy, I'll Desperately but Diligently Delve in the Dens of Dubious Disciplines for Delectable Delicacies to Discharge my Duty in Disbursing Daily Dickens Deputies. Doggone it! I'm DONE!!!

Jul 25, 2012, 3:59pm Top

DAILY DICKENS (with what I suppose is a small spoiler but not a surprise)

"'Your daughter Bella,' said Mrs Wilfer, with a lofty air of never having had the least copartnership in that young lady: of whom she now made reproachful mention as an article of luxury which her husband had set up entirely on his own account, and in direct opposition to her advice: '--your daughter Bella has bestowed herself upon a Mendicant.'"

Jul 25, 2012, 5:35pm Top

Hi Peggy -- Love Mrs. Wilfer. The anniversary dinner was hysterical.

Jul 25, 2012, 6:25pm Top

Peggy - I enjoy alliteration and give you top marks for post #70!

Jul 25, 2012, 8:34pm Top

#70 Oh, Peggy, what a delight you are! Well said!

Jul 25, 2012, 8:40pm Top

>61 LizzieD:, 62, I loved The Warden, though I admit I have not read any of the other Barchester books yet. I listened to it on audio a couple of years ago and thought it was wonderful. I won't be able to do a reread at this point, but I may drop in on your tutored read, if that's okay. I also love the books of Angela Thirkell, who uses Trollope's Barsetshire as the setting for all of her books.

Jul 25, 2012, 10:19pm Top

In reverse order - Anne, I love Thirkell too. Somehow that didn't translate into love for *Warden* on the first try. I'll at least give it a shot, but my frustration level is going to be high, I fear, with The Fabric of the Cosmos in August. Jim, bless his heart, has agreed to tutor me, and he has his work cut out for him.
Nancy and Paul, I couldn't just let the gauntlet alone.
Beth, I don't have any trouble loving Mrs. Wilfer either. We may fuss about his young women, but she's one of a type that he wrote the book on. I truly intend to finish *OMF* tomorrow, barring the unforeseen. That will give me almost a week to noodle around before starting my August commitments.

Jul 26, 2012, 12:19pm Top

Ah, dear Ladies and Gemplemorums! I have finished *OMF* this very morning.


So it's not the perfect book? So what! I continue to love this great big labyrinthine story, and I hope I live long enough to read it again and maybe again. So there!


"'You may well say Dear me!' rejoined Mrs Wilfer, in a deep tone. Upon which encouragement he said it again, though scarcely with the success he had expected; for the scornful lady then remarked, with extreme bitterness: 'You said that before.'"

Edited: Jul 26, 2012, 2:01pm Top

I loved the Warden, prompted, I think, by the wonderful BBC adaptation in the early 80s. Donald Pleasance played the Warden and Nigel Hawthorne the Archdeacon. Barchester Towers was even better as it had Alan Rickman as Obadiah Slope.

Jul 26, 2012, 2:56pm Top

Rickman as Slope??? Oh I'm off and running!

Jul 26, 2012, 6:19pm Top

...and I am here to tell you that there is nothing more disturbing than the realisation that it is possible to get a crush on Mr Slope...

(This was AR's breakthrough acting role, BTW.)

Jul 26, 2012, 6:23pm Top

Peggy - Congratulations at finishing. And thanks for a last dose of Mrs. Wilfer. Poor George.

Jul 26, 2012, 7:32pm Top

#78 I also watched that BBC production of Barchester Chronicles; it covers The Warden and Barchester Towers. Fabulous! Apparently, it was Rickman's vehicle to fame; he is unspeakably good as Slope!

Jul 26, 2012, 8:23pm Top

70: Peggy, that might just be my favorite post on LT -- ever!

Congrats on finishing Our Mutual Friend. I was sad to let those characters go. I'm glad I got to revisit them through your Daily Dickens quotes. Thank you!

Jul 26, 2012, 11:09pm Top

Hi, Kerry, Lucy, Liz, Beth, Nancy, and Donna!!! I don't know Slope from Slant, but Rickman I do know. Maybe I should watch before I read!?! (Not happening)
Curtsy to Beth and Donna........... Donna, you Darling!

Edited: Jul 26, 2012, 11:14pm Top

The Barchester Chronicles is a beautiful and brilliantly cast adaptation, but as always I recommend reading first. :)

You certainly won't forget Mr Slope when you do meet him...

Jul 26, 2012, 11:33pm Top

Hey Lizzie, just started reading your thread, and a note on post #23:
I HAVE to get a cat and name her Lady Tippins!!! Ok, so what if Tippins isn't a favorite character, Lady Tippins is just The Best Catname Ever!

Another nice couple of marriage proposals is in Jane Eyre:
Mr Rochester, who goes on about how she makes him complete and how their souls speak to each other and whatnot, and then followed by the proposal by John, who basically says 'hey, you'd be a great missionary, so we should marry'. We found Rochester's proposal slightly more romantic... ;)

Jul 27, 2012, 9:31am Top

O.K., I'm going to try The Warden again, always assuming I can find it. (I know where it should be if it's not where I think it is.) I've had trouble locating books lately because I move them from their tagged location and don't change the tag.
Welcome, Britt! I hope your proposed cat redeems the name!!! I remember that St. John proposal too --- GOD wants you to marry me! I always liked *JE* better than *WH* anyway.


"The young lady who, hysterically speaking, was only just come of age, and had never gone off yet, here fell into a highly creditable crisis, which, regarded as a first performance, was very successful; Mr Sampson, bending over the body meanwhile, in a state of distraction, which induced him to address Mrs Wilfer in the inconsistent expressions: 'Demon--with the highest respect for you--behold your work!'"

Jul 27, 2012, 11:55am Top

Peggy, if you can't find your paper copy of The Warden, you can find a freebie for your Kindle!

Jul 27, 2012, 4:38pm Top

Oh!! Thanks for the heads up, Nancy. I may do that anyway because I think my paper copy has teeny weeny print.

Jul 27, 2012, 5:45pm Top

Signora Neroni is played by Susan Hampshire, who was my English headmistress's younger sister. (Their mother founded the school.) She used to come to our prizegiving ever summer, and told me I made an excellent Wicked Witch of the West. Even at the age of 11, I wasn't entirely sure that was a compliment... She also plays Lady Glencora Palliser in the Palliser miniseries.

Jul 27, 2012, 5:52pm Top

Certainly it was a compliment!! :)

Peggy, thrilled to hear you'll be joining us for The Warden. Hopefully I can make it accessible for you! What did you struggle with the last time?

Jul 27, 2012, 10:28pm Top

#90 I didn't know there was also a Palliser miniseries. I'm about to start Trollope's Palliser novels, and will definitely be looking for that when I'm through. Is it as good as the Barchester production?

Jul 27, 2012, 10:54pm Top

Certainly it was a compliment! The only way it couldn't have been is if she had mentioned something about type casting, and that would have been absurd.
Liz, I don't even remember what I didn't like last time. Last time was 10 or 15 years ago, I think. It was probably my mood. Anyway, I've found my book, and I'll be ready to start.
Oh yeah, Nancy. I caught episodes of *Pallisers*, and that is what triggered my reading. Lady Glencora was lovely! Since I haven't read Barchester, I don't know about "as good." Can You Forgive Her is a little weird; we don't see anything to forgive, but I enjoyed the whole series.
I'm enjoying The Floating Book. my indigo entry in the Rainbow TIOLI challenge. It's about early printing, and each narrative strand has its own distinctive typeface. Of course, when you've read a sentence, you know which strand you're reading anyway, but with the different fonts, you can know before you start a new section. People who liked The Crimson Petal and the White will like this one, and it's better written.

Jul 27, 2012, 11:56pm Top

The Floating Book does sound good... And I really loved Crimson Petal and the White; I'll put it on my 'interesting books' list... Which is no guarantee that it'll be read anytime soon, the list has gotten a lot longer since I joined this site :/

Btw, is there a thread for The Warden yet? I might join... after Dickens...

Jul 28, 2012, 12:29am Top

Not yet, Britt - it will probably be going up tomorrow.

Jul 28, 2012, 12:49am Top

Tomorrow is a complex thing on the internet... However, I will wait patiently. Anyway, I said I'd join after Dickens, so maybe I should read some more while waiting... The weather's terrible out here anyway :/

Jul 28, 2012, 10:05am Top

Just buzzing by to say hello, Peggy! Way too behind to properly catch up.

Jul 28, 2012, 11:17am Top

Happy Hellos to Britt, Liz, and Terri! I know too well the frustration of not catching up. If only I didn't need to sleep!
Britt, The Oxford Reader's Companion to Dickens is out of print, I'm sorry to say. If you look around, you can find a reasonably priced used copy. I got the cheapest one at Amazon at that time; it's ex-library but in very good shape, and it's very worth whatever I paid for it. Sorry your weather's bad. We are getting a bit of a break with temps back in the lower 90s today. It's been brutal.


"'Stop, Sir! No, John, dear! Seriously! Please not yet a while! I want to be something so much worthier than the doll in the doll's house.'"

(And not a dimple in sight although the bright eyes peep out again in a few paragraphs)

Jul 28, 2012, 7:22pm Top

The thread for the tutored read of The Warden is up, although the read hasn't started yet - hope to see you there when it does!


Jul 28, 2012, 8:14pm Top

>77 LizzieD: love your emphatic review of OMF :)

Jul 29, 2012, 8:00am Top

Hi Peggy!

Glad you enjoyed The Invisible Woman - that's one I'd like to read. "I don't think that any serious Dickens scholar doubts that CD had a lengthy sexual relationship with Ellen Ternan" I think I read that Peter Ackroyd remains unconvinced - don't know if he would be classed as a serious Dickens scholar though.

I'm going to try and read the first chapter of The Warden today (actually, when I've finished writing this post) so the tutored read should start soon...

Jul 29, 2012, 6:37pm Top

There is a section of the Dickens community out there that clings to just good friends, and turns nasty if anyone suggests otherwise. I've had brushes with them...

Edited: Jul 29, 2012, 6:54pm Top

Sometimes it's funny how parts of the academic community can be really narrowminded and unwilling to even consider other explanations. I personally don't really care if Dickens had a sexual relationship with Tiernan, or if he was just friends, and I don't think it really matters for enjoying his books, so people that get so worked up over stuff like that just kind of weird me out...
Oh well, I guess one has to get worked up over something, so, why not Dickens, right? :)

And Lizzie: I actually looked up the Oxford companion and there has been a reprint... But I currently do not have the financial means to buy more books (bought a bunch of books at the beginning of the holidays, so now I shouldn't buy books for a couple of months...)

Jul 29, 2012, 11:04pm Top

Hi, Megan. I'm positive!
Heather, I meant to check my Ackroyd bio of Dickens today and never got around to it. I will though. And I'll probably start The Warden tomorrow. Liz, I guess that one good thing about living in isolation from a literate community is that I'll never run into Dickens hagiographers. Britt, I'd say that Dickens is as safe a topic to get worked up about as I can think of! I'm interested that there has been a reprint of the Companion, and I hope that you may get it someday soon. I do know about the need to ration buying.


"...a most wretched fiddle played within; a fiddle so unutterably vile, that one lean long-bodied cur, with a better ear than the rest, found himself under compulsion at intervals to go round the corner and howl."

THE FLOATING BOOK by Michelle Lovric

My thanks to our German Dragon for introducing me to this young writer. *FB* qualifies as a very readable, well-researched piece of historical fiction joining the love story of Catullus with that of the German printer who first published the poems in Venice in 1472. I've never been to Venice, but this book feeds my imagination with haunting pictures of that sparkling, dank, gorgeous, dangerous, watery city. We follow the lives of Wendelin von Speyer and his Venetian wife Lussièta, the Dalmatian Jewess Sosia and the young printer Bruno who is obsessed with her, and their friends and enemies. The central question of the book is whether Wendelin will have the courage to print Catullus' poetry in a "quick" book.
The main action is third person omniscient in a small, standard type. (I wish I knew more about typeface without having to do the research!) Lussièta's first person narrative is done in a larger, bolder type. Catullus' first person is in a larger, more slender font. Letters are in italics, and three pages or so of a trial are done in bold, Gothic lettering. As you see, I was quite taken with this. In fact, I was quite taken with the book and will read more!

Jul 30, 2012, 1:58pm Top

That sounds like a very interesting book design - clearly not one to be read on a Kindle!

Jul 30, 2012, 4:13pm Top

Hi LizzieD,

Thank you for the brilliant Review on The Floating Book. That sounds excactly like my kind of book. My order will go out straight away :).

I have just finished the The Dovekeepers - Alice Hoffman which is also a historical fiction book. It is set in 70 - 76 A.D. - The background of the story is the battle of Masada, but the story itself is centered around four women and how they actually came to be in Masada. Again a book where you find a mix of Religious beliefs, Mythology, Magic and foremost the courage and resourcefullness of women.
Due to my ongoing work constraints at present, I have not been able to catch up on my Reviews yet, but I really can recommend this book to you. *big smile*

Jul 30, 2012, 5:34pm Top

Judy, you're right. I hadn't thought to find a novel that wouldn't be as good on Kindle as on paper, but this is one.
DB, I thank you for kind words, and I think that we are now feeding each other's addictions. The Dovekeepers is now on my wish list.

DAILY DICKENS (The last for a bit while I rest)

"I have found Circumlocutional champions disposed to be warm with me on the subject of my view of the Poor Law. My friend Mr Bounderby could never see any difference between leaving the Coketown 'hands' exactly as they were, and requiring them to be fed with turtle soup and venison out of gold spoons."

Aug 2, 2012, 9:42am Top

I've been rather neglectful here, but that hasn't prevented my putting several new books on the Kindle. I have no idea when or if I'll ever read them, but at less than $3, I just can't resist.
Meanwhile, I'm not discouraged so far (beginning chapter 3!) with The Fabric of the Cosmos. Jim is a patient tutor and an excellent one!
I'm engaged both with A Trip to the Stars and Deep Water. *DW* is classic fantasy. *TttS* feels more like magical realism than urban fantasy to me; reviews classify it both ways. It's about a 10 year-old who is kidnapped from his adoptive aunt before they get to know each other. In alternating chapters we see their lives apart, and their stories are fabulous if not exactly fantastic. They have some parallel experiences, notably a spider bite (here's where some of the fantasy comes) that is transformative in both cases. Good stuff!
And this isn't Dickens, but it's funny to me, having been Raised Right myself.

~~~ from The Whisper of the River in which Porter Osborne, Jr. goes to college ~~~

"It was imperative that one be Saved....It was just as important to be Raised Right. The child who had been Raised Right was not only Saved but had spent a large part of his formative years in the House of the Lord. Attendance at piano recitals did not count, but everything else did."

Aug 2, 2012, 7:08pm Top

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cosmos just went on the wishlist. I'll pretend it's for the spousal unit.

Edited: Aug 4, 2012, 9:43am Top

Dive in, Lucy! I know that you're already smarter about this stuff than I am, and since I'm enjoying it, I'm really sure that you would too.
Having been to Heather's thread, I came back and counted up my purchases this year. I'm shaking in my scuffs, but I don't have any real plans to change anything about my buying habits. (I'd surely like to work in more reading!)

Books including Kindle downloads into the house this year: 144
Swapped for from PBS: 53
Gifts or bought with GCs: 24

If I bought anything new, I don't remember right now, but probably only one or two. I have bought some Kindle downloads at full price.

Oh dear. Oh dear.
(I'm very happy.)

Aug 3, 2012, 8:22pm Top

>61 LizzieD: and a bunch of following: I've been very slowly reading the Barchester books (both Trollope and Thirkell). In the former, I enjoyed The Warden but liked the next two much better, with Doctor Thorne perhaps my favorite so far. It will be interesting to see what you think of them.

Aug 3, 2012, 8:25pm Top

Stopping by to say hi to you Peggy

Aug 3, 2012, 8:37pm Top

Peggy, you've enjoyed yourself buying books this year : ). You said it all with I'm very happy. You, go!

Aug 3, 2012, 8:44pm Top

Hi, Tadd!! I love and adore Thirkell, and that reminds me that I need to list Jutland Cottage that a lovely person on PBS just sent me. I loved and adored *Pallisers* .... The Warden, not so much. It is absolutely O.K., but I can tell it's not going to be a favorite.
Hi, Linda, you very dear person!!
Hi, Nancy!! I don't buy a lot of other stuff, so I don't bother to control the book addiction too much. I'm going!

Edited: Aug 4, 2012, 7:08am Top

>110 LizzieD:: oh my! The nice thing about LT is there are plenty of people with "worse" book buying habits than my own. But if book buying makes you happy, more books makes you more happy, so maybe I should buy more?!

Aug 4, 2012, 7:24am Top

Oh dear oh dear! I've been meaning to count up my book acquisitions too.... but it's a bit frightening. I had such good resolutions at the start of the year.

Aug 4, 2012, 9:48am Top

Oh, Laura and Lucy (Lovely Ls)! I know it's horrible, but I didn't think it was quite that bad because I bought and paid for only 67 of them. Oh gee. I just wrote "only 67." Anyway, Laura, I keep expecting a surfeit, and it doesn't happen. And, Lucy, the thing is not to give way at the start of the year and make resolutions.
I'm here to report that my *Stars* book has stepped up the weirdness. We now have American Southwest vampires, but they are not major players so far, and no graphic or sexy bloodsucking, so it's O.K. with me.

Aug 4, 2012, 12:43pm Top

That's good, I just don't quite really get the charm of the vampire.....

Aug 4, 2012, 7:33pm Top

I'm always amazed at how many books I manage to get from PBS. I'm going to run up and check my notebook where I record where my books come from (Note to self: make a collection of those books here on LT). Ok I'm back and I've gotten 26 from PBS, a veritable piker compared to you Peggy LOL. Still, if it makes you happy and you aren't forcing yourself into bankruptcy, why not? Be happy!

Aug 4, 2012, 8:41pm Top

Thank you, Bonnie. I am.
Lucy, I sort of get it in a Bram Stokerish way, and I was blown away by the first Anne Rice, but the attraction has palled. I'm now wishing that somebody that I know would read A Trip to the Stars. I'm enjoying it; I expect I'll even try to review it.

Aug 5, 2012, 7:28am Top

#108 Was one of those kindle downloads The Quantum Thief? I've had my eye on that for a while - will be interested in your thoughts as and when you get to it.

#110 "Oh dear. Oh dear.
(I'm very happy.)"


Aug 5, 2012, 11:53am Top

Oh dear. Oh dear.
(I'm very happy.)

Book acquisitions make me very happy, too, Peggy. Most of mine come from library book sales and used bookstores. I am sticking to my "book in, book out" policy without any problems. I gave away some books to my children who were visiting recently. Now, that makes me very happy to see books go to a new home. I just hope they read and enjoy them.

Aug 5, 2012, 2:43pm Top

Heather, I did get The Quantum Thief; it was on sale, so I didn't resist it. I'm a bit put off by the fact that it's supposed to be "hard" hard science fiction, but we'll see. Getting to it is the thing.
Donna, I think it's lovely that your children are readers too, and I know they'll be especially happy to have your books. I wish I could get to used book stores - there's nothing quite like holding a book before I buy it, but getting them used online has opened the world to me!

Edited: Aug 5, 2012, 2:44pm Top

115: The nice thing about LT is there are plenty of people with "worse" book buying habits than my own.
Ah, the internet, where everyone can be normal somewhere.

Edited: Aug 5, 2012, 4:56pm Top

>124 qebo:: ha ha! That, and nobody knows you're a dog (old New Yorker cartoon).

Aug 5, 2012, 10:00pm Top

Hi, Katherine and Laura. (Uncle.)

A TRIP TO THE STARS by Nicholas Christopher

I really enjoyed this book a LOT, so much so that I reviewed it on the review page. I'm not sure how helpful my review is, but a few hints as to what it's about seemed to be indicated. As usual, I wasn't able to capture the flavor of the experience. For instance, I didn't mention the rare spider with a pattern of stars on its abdomen, whose bite gives an adult human paranormal powers for awhile. Or an ancient Egyptian amulet with a chart of the craters on the dark side of the moon. Or a folk festival on Naxos during which things that have been lost are found. Or a discreet vampire or so in the Four Corners region of the Southwest. Or. Or. Or. The hardest thing for me to believe was the necessity for the kidnapping, which was the controlling event of the book. I withheld a half a star for that; otherwise, this was a really nifty book.

Aug 5, 2012, 10:48pm Top

144 books!

Aug 5, 2012, 10:52pm Top

Okay, you hit me with a book bullet on that last one!

Aug 5, 2012, 11:01pm Top

Megan, woman after my own heart! That's what I think!!!
Yay, Roni!!! You have hit me often enough.

Aug 5, 2012, 11:07pm Top

And almost all at a bargain too, were we separated at birth or what!? lol

Aug 6, 2012, 9:46am Top

Or else I'm your mama and didn't know about it! (You remember the Little Audrey/blond/whatever joke about the young woman in tears after giving birth to her first baby because she was afraid she wasn't the baby's mother.)
The bargain is the thing!

Aug 6, 2012, 12:16pm Top

One favorite American adage of mine is:

"It isn't what you buy, it's what you save."

Aug 6, 2012, 3:17pm Top

#119 "I'm going to run up and check my notebook where I record where my books come from (Note to self: make a collection of those books here on LT)" Bonnie, do you know you can add that data to your book page now? If you scroll way down when editing a book, there's a field titled "From Where", with some pre-programmed choices, and you can enter your own sources as well.

Aug 7, 2012, 6:20am Top

*waving* at Peggy

Off to check our your review of A Trip to the Stars. . .

Aug 7, 2012, 8:31am Top

>133 laytonwoman3rd:: oh, I forgot about that feature. Thanks!

Edited: Aug 7, 2012, 10:43am Top

a magical mix of star and spider lore, hotels, abstruse allusions to lots of religions and philosophies, and more - all served up in highly readable prose.

Well honestly Peggy, there I am, sworn to no more book buying all month and you do that to me! Having spent my teenage years with a mother who was a professional astrologer in a cottage full of spiders, I have a particular interest in star and spider lore and don't think I can resist A Trip to the Stars. Hmm, maybe I'll do something similar to Lucy and buy it for my boys. I will probably have to read it first though, just to make sure it's suitable ;)

Aug 7, 2012, 11:23am Top

Having spent my teenage years with a mother who was a professional astrologer in a cottage full of spiders And you haven't yet written a book about it?????

Aug 7, 2012, 11:33am Top

137: Ha, it was probably less interesting than it sounds and I'll leave the story telling to the naturals like Peggy and Lucy.

Peggy, why haven't you written a book? We'd all buy it whatever it was about!

Aug 7, 2012, 4:51pm Top

Dee, that's just amazing!!! Astrology and Spiders for growing up - I can't even imagine. I do think that you probably need to read it to be sure that it's O.K. for your boys. And if you're really classing me with Lucy (who really has class), I'm flattered beyond modesty. Thank you!!!
---- maybe I'll drag out the old fantasy novel after all ---

Aug 7, 2012, 4:55pm Top

>133 laytonwoman3rd: I do know about that feature Linda, and use it, but I don't think that would help. Unless I had a collection entitled PBS Acquisitions 2012, I don't think I could figure it out. Am I wrong?

Aug 7, 2012, 5:03pm Top

>133 laytonwoman3rd:, 140: I played around a bit with this today and while I like the idea of keeping track of where my books came from, I can't figure out how to use that field in a search. I now have several books marked as coming from paperbackswap.com but when I search "all fields" for that term, it identifies only one book and it's not one that I marked earlier.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Aug 7, 2012, 8:03pm Top

Laura, if you're missing it, the rest of us are doomed.
Why not use tags anyway? (That's how much I know...always behind!) Hi, Bonnie. I'm not understanding how that would help either. I will wait for Laura to explain all.

Aug 8, 2012, 7:53am Top

#133, 140, 141, 142 - I don't know about search but the info can be found on your statistics/memes page under library statistics. I think it is the last thing on that page and it lists where your books come from and clicking on the number will take you to those books in your catalogue.

Aug 8, 2012, 7:56am Top

>143 calm:: AHA! You know, I even looked there yesterday and didn't see it. It's as plain as the nose on your face actually. Thanks a million!

Aug 8, 2012, 7:58am Top

---- maybe I'll drag out the old fantasy novel after all ---

I really think you should!

Aug 8, 2012, 8:21am Top

#143 Thanks. I always forget about my statistics page.
#142 I do use tags, AND I have a couple collections that are based on where the book came from (including one for PBS). I'm just a suspenders and belt kinda girl!

Aug 8, 2012, 9:01am Top

This "from where?" feature is sending me off on an anal-retentive cataloging binge. This probably doesn't surprise anyone. Yesterday I went through my Amazon and B&N order history for 2012 & 2011 and updated those books, as well as some of my PBS acquisitions. I printed my Paperbackswap "books requested" transaction archive and plan to go through this as well as my Amazon history from 2010 (it doesn't go back any further).

Look what you've done, Linda. :)

Aug 8, 2012, 10:04am Top

147: Yesterday I went through my Amazon and B&N order history for 2012 & 2011
You are a brave woman.

Aug 8, 2012, 10:31am Top

Many thanks, Calm. I don't know that I'll be Laura and get right on it, but I will start entering "Got From"s as I catalogue from here on out. Linda, I forget the statistics page, and I love it! Katherine, I agree.
(> 145 - Dee, it will (?) be called A Fauntasy, and it is the story of a couple of maiden aunts - a princess royal and her best friend the castle cook - grooming a royal bastard for assuming the kingship and the dead king's lovely daughter. Only two minor problems.....I haven't decided whether I'm writing tongue-in-cheek or straight fantasy, and I really haven't written much of anything!)

Aug 8, 2012, 10:43am Top

>148 qebo:: actually, my PBS transaction archive is a more intimidating prospect. I don't buy retail all that often, but I have over 200 books from PBS. Some were for kids or hubby so they aren't in my catalog, but still ... it's a job to do.

Aug 8, 2012, 11:35am Top

#147 Look what I've done, indeed! You should send me flowers---you know you love me for it!!

Aug 8, 2012, 5:59pm Top

Well I'm actually up to date on the "from where" feature and have been since they introduced it. And now that I know about the feature's use via the stats page I'll be able to make use of it to its fullest. Thanks calm!

Aug 8, 2012, 8:48pm Top

>151 laytonwoman3rd:: no flowers for you! (imitating Seinfeld's soup nazi)
I have gone totally berserk with it. Did you know if you have an account with the Book Depository, Awesomebooks, or Betterworld that you can get your complete order history? What a time suck ...

Aug 8, 2012, 10:21pm Top

I'll just sit back and be old.

Aug 8, 2012, 10:28pm Top

I am Lalalalalaling right along with you -- there are things I am better off not knowing.

Aug 9, 2012, 12:02am Top

#154-55 I'm with the lalalalala chorus : ).

Aug 9, 2012, 2:45pm Top

Hi, Nancy and Lucy. I'm happy to have even a small LALA chorus!
I've been enjoying my country pastor's diary lately - for the past 2 days, it's been about the only thing I've read at my usual pace, and for this book, that means 5 or 6 pages. Anyway, I thought I'd give you a little with one question that I should put to Liz over with The Warden maybe....

April 26, 1780
"...Busy painting some boarding in my Wall Garden which was put up to prevent the people in the Kitchen seeing those who had occasion to go to Jericho."

I assume that "going to Jericho" is a euphemism for visiting the privy, but I thought that kind of prudery came in with Victoria and that these 18th century gentry were pretty raw. Obviously not - or my modern rawness misunderstands the whole thing.

February 3, 1781
"...Had but an indifferent night of Sleep, Mrs. Davie and Nancy made me up an Apple Pye Bed last night..."

And here is a typical meal; he talks about food a LOT, leading my DH to call him "that fat little priest."
May 18, 1779
"...Mr. Howes and Wife and Mrs. Davy, Mr. Bodham and his Brother, and Mr. du Quesne all dined and spent the afternoon and part of the evening with us to-day. I gave them for dinner a dish of Maccarel, 3 young Chicken boiled and some Bacon, a neck of Pork rosted and a Gooseberry Pye hot."

Aug 13, 2012, 9:24am Top

IN A SUMMER SEASON by Elizabeth Taylor

First, I must say that I love and adore Elizabeth Taylor. Since this is not one of my favorites, I'll explain what I didn't love, but don't take that to mean that I didn't enjoy the book. I think that it's a good one - just not among her best for me even though it may be a better book than some that I like better.
Kate has married Dermot, a much younger man, and the two of them must live their love in an atmosphere of skepticism and a house crowded with Kate's two children (young adult Tom and sixteen year-old Louise) and their maiden Aunt Edith. The arrival of their neighbor Charles, the widower of Kate's best friend, and his daughter Araminta, an aspiring fashion model completes the recipe for trouble. My trouble with the book, I think, is that Kate is not a particularly deep character. She's believable, but she's so consumed with her love and lust for Dermot that not much else beyond her normal kindness is going on with her.
(Somebody - Heather, I think - was commenting about DL Sayers's deficiency in seeing beyond class boundaries. The same is true with Tom who is working his way up in the family business, and not particularly successfully as far as his grandfather is concerned. He flatly deplores his contact with his fellow workers; his grandfather has to remind him to speak to them respectfully, and since grandfather also whisks him off to huge businessman's lunches and expects him to help entertain business contacts, Tom really doesn't have much motivation to make friends with the lower orders.)
(They eat a lot of smoked salmon. Query: Is/was that a special summer treat?)
So - four stars for me because of the beautiful writing, the keen observation, and ET's wit.

Aug 13, 2012, 10:27am Top

You know what an apple pie bed is, right? *grin*

I really should re-read the Trollope series... Interestingly, I found the Palliser books worked better as a TV series for me, while I preferred reading the Barchester ones. (In the Pallisers, I bogged down after Phineas Finn, although Phineas is one of my fave characters in that series.)

So, the from where feature uses info that you provide when you enter a book? But if I'm just typing in an ISBN and then selecting, I'm not actively picking the source? I'm going to have to go and take a look at this, obviously. I do know I have an absurd # of unread books that have crept their way in the door, and no more should be added to that mountain, from any source, until it has been dealt with. At the very least, I need to show some self-restraint...

Aug 13, 2012, 11:01am Top

I do know what an apple pie bed is --- it just hadn't occurred to me that nieces were doing it to uncles back in the 18th century! You may show some self-restraint if that makes you happy, Suzanne. I've decided that the new books make me happier than improving my character would do. When I run out of PBS credits, I'll rethink ----- nah. This is my very own vice, and I'm sticking with it!

Aug 13, 2012, 11:11am Top

>159 Chatterbox:: So, the from where feature uses info that you provide when you enter a book? But if I'm just typing in an ISBN and then selecting, I'm not actively picking the source?
Yes Suz, this a field that you specify, independent of anything else you enter when you add the book. You have the option to choose from a list of venues you've already used, search for a venue (lots of bookstores and libraries are already in LT), or enter free text (i.e.; "Gift"). You can also make this field private. LT's "power edit" feature makes it easy to change many books at once.

Discussion here sent me on an OCD "from where" binge last week, the results of which are described in this message on my thread. Of course, my catalog pales in comparison to yours, Suz (just over 800 books). This is a much more daunting prospect for you, unless you just want to track acquisitions from this day forward.

Aug 13, 2012, 11:25am Top

I don't know what an apple pie bed is, and now I'm very curious ... enlighten me? Thanks, Peggy : ).

Aug 13, 2012, 11:32am Top

I had to look it up too, Nancy. Although I made a guess, and was correct. It's a term for short-sheeting a bed, and I had never heard it before.

Edited: Aug 13, 2012, 4:37pm Top

We call it Frenching the sheets here (no idea why).

I liked In a Summer Season for exactly the same reasons. She just writes so beautifully. I thought of Kate as a product of her class, with no particular purpose except to be 'the wife', all of which made her passion for Dermot almost like stepping over the upper-middle class line somehow.

Aug 13, 2012, 12:17pm Top

I'm going to deliberately ignore all this discussion of cataloging and the "from where" feature. The only way I could do it, anyway, would be to go back over all my threads where most of the details are painfully laid out acquisition by acquisition. But I'm not going to. Not.

Aug 13, 2012, 12:35pm Top

>165 AnneDC:: that's what I said at first (diabolical laugh...)

Aug 13, 2012, 4:12pm Top

#164 Re: Frenching: Possibly because it's an 'englishing' of a french phrase and nothing to do with apple pies (nappe plié?)

Aug 13, 2012, 4:27pm Top

OOh - now that's interesting!

Aug 13, 2012, 5:11pm Top

You mean that there are people cataloguing their books without using the 'from where' feature?

Next you'll be telling me that not everyone completes the height, length, width and weight sections.

Perhaps this explains why some people have managed to catalogue their whole collections and I'm still only about 10% done...

Peggy, I've just had an enjoyable post-Olympian canter through about 3 months' worth of your threads. So many conversations I'd have loved to join in with at the time, or just have enjoyed lurking with! I MUST do better at keeping up, there are too many good things I've been missing.

Nappe plié does make sense as the origin of 'apple-pie bed'. And I'd never heard the American term for this till now - 'short sheeting' - what wonders the 75 group does for our international vocabulary!

Edited: Aug 13, 2012, 5:14pm Top

Thank you, Kerry! I wondered where the apple pie came from and was too lazy to search. I think it's interesting too, Judy! (See what you learn here, Nancy?) I had never head of "Frenching," Tui. Genny, we cross posted! I'm giggling about the dimensions, but I'm going to check out your catalogue just to be sure! Aren't our friends great? (I love it when you visit!)
Yes, but Laura, you're "spatial" (which is "special" with a Southern drawl if you didn't know), and in love with all the technical wonders. "Just folks" like me and maybe Anne can get along without..........but I am doing it with my new entries, oh yes!

Edited: Aug 13, 2012, 5:31pm Top

Peggy, if you check my catalogue you will find complete dimensions details are missing (or worse, may be wrong because based on Amazon sourced automatically-loaded info) for the earlier books I entered, before the dimensions field was created on LT. Since then (about 18 months ago) I have had my ruler and portable scales handy for all books newly entered, and entries are accurate to the nearest mm or gram!

When, in 100 years time, I've finished cataloguing, including going back to the earlier entries and correcting those, I'll be able to look on the Statistics page and find there the total weight of my collection, and its total height compared with various famous tall buildings, or (possibly slightly more usefully) how many Ikea Billy bookcases it will fill. Though as I don't think the stats allow you to customise which collections are included in the count, this is not actually helpful since the 'Read but unowned' and 'wishlist' really should not be counted....

Why do I spend time on this rather than reading?

Aug 13, 2012, 5:38pm Top

Genny, that's amazing - awesome, even!
I like the height statistic, but I'm a little afraid of the weight one. I'd hate to break our house.
As to the reason for doing this rather than reading, I don't know. Do you think it has something to do with the seduction of the computer? (I'm being serious here.) Anyway, I had such fun entering my books that the process may be one tiny reason for my continuing to acquire more. Such satisfaction!

Aug 13, 2012, 5:52pm Top

It may be the seduction of the computer - but I fear it has more to do with a perfectionist tendency in me which too often hampers my attempts to complete any task. Everything I tackle has to be done in the most complete, detailed way possible, and I lose myself too easily in those details. Do you know Tolkien's story Leaf by Niggle? I am Niggle, who was so busy painting individual leaves he never got to complete the tree...

Aug 13, 2012, 6:07pm Top

>163 laytonwoman3rd: we call it "short-sheeting" too. I can wait til my boys start playing those kind of pranks. If that kind of thing is hereditary then it wont be long til they do!

Aug 13, 2012, 7:51pm Top

I've completely cataloged my entire collection, except for weight (I need to get a scale). It helps when one owns less than 300 books.

If you go to the Pages, Weights, and Dimensions page, you can select which collections to draw from by clicking on the Settings icon on the right just above the Distribution graph. The main stats page can't be limited by collection, though.

Aug 13, 2012, 7:55pm Top

#175 Ah, I should have checked that before commenting. I knew there was a limit to which bits could be limited. Maybe I've already changed my settings re dimensions and weight.

Aug 13, 2012, 8:40pm Top

I am in awe of anyone who attempts to include weight and dimensions. Truly in awe.
But I'm still "spatial," and proud of it! Thanks Peggy!

Aug 13, 2012, 9:36pm Top

I'm enjoying the short-sheeting and the book dimensions discussion intertwining!

Aug 13, 2012, 10:06pm Top

Hi Peggy, I started using the height statistic when there was a TIOLI challenge that incorporated it last year. Madeline and Zoe are always trying to get us to use little known LT features. I just like to have every space filled in so that it looks complete. I think possibly my OCD side has revealed itself again.

Aug 13, 2012, 10:17pm Top

This thread is so educational! Not only did I learn that the English for short-sheet is Apple Pie Bed, but that it had its origins in French. Who knew?

I have a long history of short sheeting beds. My brother was born on April 1 and I felt it to be my duty to make sure his bed was short-sheeted every year from the time he was about 6 until I moved out of the house. I also once sewed all the summer camp directors' sleeping bags securely shut in the middle with dark thread. I am told it is legend at that camp to this day. I feel it's something to be proud of.

Aug 14, 2012, 1:31am Top

Fascinating origins of the phrase short-sheeting, and downright daunting prospect of adding the source of many of my books. Scarily, I probably remember most...

Aug 14, 2012, 7:07am Top

Page numbers, dimensions, from where, amazon covers - I have such a long list of cataloguing projects I'm working on. And long before I've finished those I'm sure LT will have added more new features I'll want to use...

#173 " I am Niggle, who was so busy painting individual leaves he never got to complete the tree..." Wasn't Tolkien himself like that? I got the impression from Carpenter's biography that it was a miracle he ever handed anything over to his publishers to publish.

Aug 14, 2012, 9:05am Top

Genny and Heather, I don't know Niggle, and I didn't know that Tolkien was Niggle. I would be except that my basic laziness saves me! I did put the correct cover on my books as I entered them and a general tag and location of the book at the time, but that's about all.
Ah, Megan, when practical jokers have children, the payback begins in earnest. Good luck!
Casvelyn, I'm glad to see you back, and if you're ambitious to increase the size of your library, you'll have the entry techniques down to a fine art.
Hi, Laura and Lucy! Bonnie, I'd like to see the book details filled in too, just so long as I don't have to do it.
Hi, Jenn. I am awed by your industry too. Do your children give each other this level of attention? I don't think I'm a legend anywhere, unless you want to count being "Insane McLean" at the high school, and even that has disappeared in only four years.
Suzanne, if I remember that I have the book (I have a lot of Belva in me), I know where it came from. It's all about what's important to us.

Aug 14, 2012, 9:32am Top

>183 LizzieD:: ...I don't know Niggle... Ah, you should read it. I thought it was a wonderful little story.

Aug 14, 2012, 9:40am Top

Me too.

Aug 14, 2012, 11:45am Top

OK, I'm turning in my nerd badge. I don't give a hoot about the dimensions fields. I'm all about entering the dedications, first words, epigraphs, etc. into the Common Knowledge page of the books I read (not necessarily all that I enter) though.

Aug 14, 2012, 12:02pm Top

>186 laytonwoman3rd:: keep the badge. Those are definitely attributes of the LT nerd.

Aug 14, 2012, 12:13pm Top

Thanks, Laura. I was getting a little queasy there for a minute.

Aug 14, 2012, 12:40pm Top

Yeesh. What's with you people? I can barely keep up with getting my books entered into LT. Now if only we had hierarchical tags...

Aug 14, 2012, 1:29pm Top

Uh --- Katherine, what are hierarchical tags?
Linda, the Common Knowledge entries had occurred to me as being worthy of this conversation too. If Laura says you can keep your badge, I guess that means I can get a small one (sort of like the Sunday School attendance ladder in days of yore?). I might have to give it back since I haven't done any in a long time. Well, phooey.
(Niggle will now naggle at me until I get to it. Thanks, Genny, Tad, and Tui!)

Aug 14, 2012, 2:19pm Top

LOL, Peggy: Niggle will now naggle at me until I get to it. Thanks, Genny, Tad, and Tui! Indeed!

Aug 14, 2012, 2:20pm Top

OMG, as the kids say. I am so glad I'm lazy enough not to bother with all that detail - I'd never get out of my desk chair. As it is, if I get a book on my Kindle and it pops up as a paperback instead, I just note it's an ebook and leave the misleading weight, height, etc there. What interests me is knowing I've read a book, and have some clues so that I can remember what was in it.

Shameful, I know, but it's like the Pearl Rule. After a certain age, you have to cut corners where you can.

Aug 14, 2012, 2:22pm Top

190: Hierarchical tags, nested tags, bundled tags... variations on a theme. The general idea is the ability (not the obligation) to cluster tags that belong together or are subsets of other tags. Probably more relevant to non-fiction than fiction. A sadly lost cause. See, for example: http://www.librarything.com/topic/90496#1965342 .

Aug 14, 2012, 2:25pm Top

192: There's a longstanding request for generic works, so those of us who don't care about all the details don't have to choose erroneously. I have no interest in which edition, aside from the cover picture.

Edited: Aug 14, 2012, 2:26pm Top

>190 LizzieD: CK is TOTALLY worthy of mention! Yesterday I was poking through Zeitgeist and discovered that I'm in the top 1000 CK contributors of all time, and it totally made my day. I felt like a celebrity or something. And all because I like identifying dead authors and poking around the Library of Congress Authorities.

Aug 14, 2012, 3:52pm Top

#195 -- if there were a "Like" button, I'd hit it! :-)

Aug 14, 2012, 4:25pm Top

>196 Chatterbox: Here you go Suzanne:

Aug 14, 2012, 5:43pm Top

CASVELYN, YOU RULE!!!! You absolutely should feel like a celebrity.
>192 ffortsa: Uh --- Judy, I don't think I want to know what I should be doing differently, but that's what I do for my Kindle books too.
Oops. Walk time. I'll look at the hierarchical tagging business later, but thank you for pointing it out, Katherine.

Edited: Aug 14, 2012, 6:27pm Top

#190 OMG...the Sunday school pin!!! How many bars did you have on yours? Is it still in the bottom of your jewelry box somewhere?

#195 I'm in that top 1000 too. (This week I'm in the top 200, but that's misleading because I only entered 26 pieces of info to get there, and the week is young.)

Aug 14, 2012, 8:40pm Top

#198 I don't think I want to know what I should be doing differently

You don't have to be doing anything differently - it's up to you how much detail or how little you put in your catalogue, or whether or not you are concerned that the details in the book record match you actual copy perfectly.

#186, 195 - Adding to CK is definitely medal-deserving nerdiness, and far more useful than my fiddling about with dimensions!

I love all the different approaches we take, though I know it makes it a bit of a nightmare for Tim et al to get the right priorities when working on new features (eg that whole debate about whether or not the original publication date and/or your edition date should show up at the top of the work page. Some couldn't care less about one bit of information, but valued the other, others had the opposite view, some didnt' want to see either cluttering up the title display line. Impossible to resolve in a way that kept everyone happy, and the discussion around that revealed how very differently people approached using LT.

I've always had the intention of using it to record the physical books in my collection, and to me that means as accurate as possible a description of the edition (though the level of detail I choose to do this with means that I'm rarely doing more than cataloguing new additions, and will take years to catch up with the existing collection). But I'd also find useful a generic work option, in my case for adding books I've read but no longer own, where the edition is irrelevant. It would be great, when spotting a book in someone else's catalogue or mentioned on a thread or recommended for you, to be able to do a simple click to say 'I've read this'.

Peggy, I hope Niggle naggles at you quickly. It's a short read, but a lovely and moving little story, and (as Heather mentions) very much an autobiographical fable too.

Aug 14, 2012, 9:41pm Top

OMG, I'm surrounded by cataloging goddesses. You guys rock!

Aug 15, 2012, 6:25am Top

I am impressed I even have not managed yet to catalogue all my books - and I made it already quite easy for myself. I have some Editions in different formats such as audiobooks, so I just enter ONE Edition and use the comment box to state in which formats I do own the books. Exeptions are made if the books are in different languages. Well - easy for myself again - I only own books in either German or English *grin*. All this other features? - I just ignore them.

Aug 15, 2012, 7:14am Top

Hi Peggy - Stopping by to check on your cataloging discussion. I will never get all of my books listed, so I am ignoring all of these cool features. I'll leave all the amazing detail to you all.

Aug 15, 2012, 10:05am Top

LINDA, YOU RULE TOO!!!!! I guess in fact, that the two of you rule together. I think that it's a good way to thank the site, but I don't get around to it much any more. *nudge, nudge* And, Linda, being Presbyterian, I didn't get an attendance pin, but I looked at them on my Baptist friends' breasts with some envy. (I'm still crazy for jewelry!)
Greetings, Genny, Laura, DB, and Beth! I spent my whole first year here getting the books catalogued, but from time to time I still turn up ones that I somehow skipped.....and then there's the attic. Not going there! Literally.

HIERO'S JOURNEY by Sidney E. Lanier

Although this was written in 1973, it somehow seems older to me. At any rate, it's a classic fantasy adventure story - and the adventures don't let up - of a warrior priest thousands of years after the atomic Death, which rearranged geography (the Great Lakes are now one huge inland sea) and left humanity to deal with mutations - some like Klootz the morse are helpful; some are Leemutes (Lethal - to humans - Mutations). Hiero is on a quest to bring a computer back to his order if he can find one in one of the dead cities. He has telepathic powers and is in conflict with the Unclean, the enemy who apparently have found computers. His powers expand, and he eventually conquers all with the help of a small and interesting band of followers.
I'm on to Unforsaken Hiero!

Aug 15, 2012, 10:38am Top

204: I got Hiero's Journey for the Nook, based on sibyx / Lucy's enthusiasm, but have been daunted by the page count, in a scattered summer without much sustained reading time.

I spent my whole first year here getting the books catalogued
I barely glanced at groups and talk my first year on LT, was intent on getting all my books catalogued, and I did, and then I ventured into talk, and the books, they never let up.

Edited: Aug 15, 2012, 11:00am Top

Unlike some people I know, I occasionally forget to catalogue a book when it wanders in to the house but I did make a concerted effort to catalogue my books in residence when I first joined LT, like qebo. As for noting all the features, I feel like I've accomplished great things if I get the publisher, isbn, no. of pages, year of publication in. I'm not about to start measuring my books!

Aug 15, 2012, 11:52am Top

I'm with you Katherine, no frills or else I'd never keep up with anything. I also do miss some of the books that come into the house via spouse and child. I read a good number of their books so I always check when I do.

Peggy, you are a darling to read the Hiero books! They are dated in some ways and not in others -- I think he gets points for having a fabulous, spunky 'woman of color' at this early a date even if she is ridiculously clad (it is a hot and muggy world and they are all a bit lightly clad.) The finest writing is in the second book - one amazing chapter - 2 I think is a marvel. Overall I like Unforsaken better.

Aug 15, 2012, 12:48pm Top

>206 tiffin:: I occasionally forget to catalogue a book when it wanders in to the house ...
Oh, the horror!

Aug 15, 2012, 2:35pm Top

Honestly, the only reason my books are cataloged fully is because I thought it would be easier to do it now when I have just under 300 books as opposed to later, when I might have 500, 1000, or more books.

Aug 15, 2012, 3:50pm Top

207: I miss some of the books that come into the house via myself.

Aug 15, 2012, 5:31pm Top

My cataloguing is going to be a lifelong pursuit. I started in the downstairs and have been working my way up -- I'm not even close to books in boxes in closets...

Aug 15, 2012, 5:55pm Top

Beth, I think books in boxes in the closet = books in boxes in the attic. I should probably just trash them; I'm sure that our nieces and nephew will when I die. Certainly, I have no plans to do it this summer. Sometimes, though, I want a boxed book, and if I'm lucky, it's in a box with the contents labeled so that I can get to it.
Katherine, you're funny!
Casvelyn, I wish you 1,500 books - at least!
The horror! It's all about priorities, isn't it, Laura?
Lucy, I enjoyed *Hiero*, and I do agree about the woman of color. As I said early on, he was a professional, and he cared about his language. That's what counts with me! Well --- that and a good story, and he has that covered.
Tui, hats off to the information that you do include. What I really, really care about is that I have the book's location in here accurately. I'm sorry to say that I'm forever rearranging and not recording the new places here. I'm mostly better off than I was before LT though.

Aug 15, 2012, 7:22pm Top

>212 LizzieD: *wails* But where will I put them all??? Actually, what I need is a full-time job, so I can get an apartment of my own and stop trying to cram all my worldly possessions into my 144 sq. ft. childhood bedroom. Anybody need a librarian? (I do history too.)

Aug 15, 2012, 7:27pm Top

>206 tiffin: I'm not about to start measuring my books! The measuring is automatic, based on the edition of your book. ER books are not measured automatically for some reason. I'm not sure exactly how I got started but if you double click the box the info comes up and you can save it.

Aug 15, 2012, 9:52pm Top

>214 brenzi:: I was so NOT going to look into this, so I am really ONLY ASKING THIS FOR CLARIFICATION. Really.
What box do you double-click Bonnie? I took a peek at one of my books -- it happened to be a Virago -- and while it had the weight filled in, the dimensions were not. I read your message to mean I could just double click, et voila! measurements would magically appear. I think I misinterpreted ... ?

Aug 16, 2012, 10:48am Top

The cataloging discussion is dizzying. I am intrigued by the Common Knowledge bit, but I may have to save this activity for the empty nest years.

Aug 16, 2012, 12:15pm Top

I was speaking with Lucy about the Lanier books a year or so ago. I remember them quite distinctly (the moose makes that easy!) from high school days. I should pull out at least the first one and give it a re-read one of these days.

Aug 16, 2012, 1:59pm Top

#214 An awful lot of my books are pre-ISBN publications, and dimensions don't come up automatically on those. But I tried the double-clicking too, on a NYRB edition, and got nothing. The number of pages and the weight are the only dimension-type statistics there. Just like Laura, I'm not going to USE the information...but I want it anyway...so how do you do make this clicking work?

Aug 16, 2012, 7:10pm Top

I'm not doing dimensions or page numbers but wonder if that is remiss of me with the Lanier legacy library...... I am being very specific about the editions, covers, anything he wrote inside etc. and someone could do the research if they really really cared.... I'd never finish if I did all that, I don't think.

I do have a heap of art catalogues and am really wondering how the heck I'll deal with them. Everything has to go in from scratch. Oi.

Aug 16, 2012, 7:31pm Top

OK so I've gone back to look at my catalog and I can't figure out how I figured this out to begin with but nearly every one of my books has the dimensions listed and I KNOW I didn't measure any of my books. I'm going to PM Madeline and see how it was done last year when we had a TIOLI challenge that used that feature.

Aug 18, 2012, 12:55pm Top

Oh, I'm late to greet you but no less happy to see that you were here. Hi, Casvelyn, Bonnie, Laura, Jenn, Tad, Linda, and Lucy. I've looked on several of my book work pages, and I think that the entry of dimensions is automatic from the ISBN. Is that what Madeline said, Bonnie? And, Linda, I have a great number that are pre-ISBN too, and they are a bear to enter, and I have no plan to enter more than my minimum need. Good luck, Lucy!

THE WARDEN by Anthony Trollope
It's easy to see why people love this book so. I don't love and adore it, but I do appreciate it and did enjoy it. I also enjoyed the fact that it is short though! I think I'm saving any comments that may spring to mind for the Liz-tutoring-Heather thread, and really, I don't have much to say. I will look forward to Barchester 2 in a month or so.

Aug 18, 2012, 5:12pm Top

>221 LizzieD:: I'm getting so fired up to read that book. I'm planning to do so next month.

Aug 19, 2012, 8:35am Top

>221 LizzieD:: I think the second book is even more enjoyable. I'm up to #4 I think...need to get back to that series.

Aug 19, 2012, 9:03pm Top

OK I finally heard back from Madeline. She was at the beach with a non-working computer. Anyway this is what she said:

The dimensions of books are automatically filled in for each addtiion of each book as it is added to any collection. You do have the option of changing them if they are incorrect. For the ones that are not automatically filled in, you have the option of measuring your own copy of the book and filling it in.

I knew I didn't have to do any work for it.

Aug 19, 2012, 11:32pm Top

Computers need vacations too.

Aug 20, 2012, 3:41am Top

Hi Peggy, I'm trying to catch up on threads and noticed you're also giving Trollope's chronicles a try. I've read 3 of them this year, and so far they are getting better book by book.
Still I wasn't able yet to tackle #4, maybe because they also get longer and I don't know if I have enough patience for them right now. For classics I'd say they are easy though lengthy reads.

Edited: Aug 20, 2012, 8:24am Top

>224 brenzi:: Thanks for sharing the information from Madeline, Bonnie. It turns out I have only 50 books without dimensions data. Several of those are ebooks, so I won't worry about those. I'm surprised at some that lack this information, since they are newly-published books like Bossypants and The Fault in our Stars. I love that I can look at my stats and easily find those without data. But I MUST resist the urge to grab my tape measure!

Aug 20, 2012, 10:33am Top

Laura, Tad, and Nathalie, you're keeping Trollope in the forefront of my mind. That's a good thing, and I'm glad that they improve as the series progresses.
Bonnie and Laura, thanks for the confirmation about dimensions. I even think I know how to see the books without that data. I'm not making any bets about whether Laura succumbs to the pressure to take tape measure in hand.
Funny, Katherine!
I'm reading a lot of Larry's Party and not much else since I'm now within 100 pages of the end. I like it. I suspect that I'll like it even more as it settles.

Aug 20, 2012, 12:41pm Top

Oh dear. I just discovered Amazon shows dimensions on their book pages ... that means I could fill in some of the gaps without my tape measure. I'm doomed.

Aug 20, 2012, 1:32pm Top

Laura, back away from the computer very slowly. There, there, it will be ok.

Aug 20, 2012, 2:00pm Top

Haha she will never back away.

Aug 20, 2012, 2:05pm Top

My trouble is, once the dimensions field appeared on LT and I started paying attention to it, I discovered that nearly all the dimensions automatically entered are either incomplete or simply wrong (occasionally drastically wrong, usually only slightly wrong). I'm afraid it's rather OCD of me, but I can't bear to leave the inaccurate measurements there, I'd rather have none at all. But I'm sure the rest of you all have far too much sense that to start worrying about that, and wasting time checking and altering all the info!

Aug 20, 2012, 3:14pm Top

Oh, Genny, I'm giggling. I'm sorry. Who knows what is going to affect somebody else? I'm pretty sure that most of us have something in our lives that has to be just right. I'm not confessing mine!
Laura, Tui, and Bonnie, it will be O.K. one way or another.

Aug 20, 2012, 3:40pm Top

>232 gennyt: But I'm sure the rest of you all have far too much sense that to start worrying about that, and wasting time checking and altering all the info!

Speaking from personal experience and many hours with a ruler, I'm sure you're wrong!

Aug 20, 2012, 8:38pm Top

* nods sympathetically at Genny *

Aug 21, 2012, 11:53am Top

#232 "But I'm sure the rest of you all have far too much sense that to start worrying about that, and wasting time checking and altering all the info!"

*Looks sheepish*

Aug 21, 2012, 5:28pm Top

I'm glad I'm not entirely alone in my compulsion! The nice thing about LT, as well as plenty of generally sympathetic book-lovers, there are guaranteed to be one or two who share one's particular form of book- or cataloguing-related obsession.

Aug 21, 2012, 5:33pm Top

Casvelyn, Laura, Heather, and Genny, it's lovely to see that you've found each other!

Aug 21, 2012, 6:34pm Top

I have to say, book dimensions is one of the very few facets of cataloguing that hasn't grabbed me. I'm not as fixated on edition details as many around here, I note - probably because I'm obsessed with original publication date / place instead. :)

Aug 22, 2012, 5:39am Top

LOL about the dimensions of the books! I like to check out the " award winning books " that I have read, but as for the dimensions of the books - I am safe. :)

Edited: Aug 22, 2012, 10:32am Top

Liz and Deb, I remain with you two. Honestly, while I insist on having the correct cover or no cover showing, the book qua book is not important to me; that's why I'm perfectly happy with pretty grotty used books. The fact that it's here, available for me to read is everything!

LARRY'S PARTY by Carol Shields

Shields gives us fifteen mock-objective analyses of what it means to be Larry over the course of twenty years. We read, for instance, about "Larry's Words," "Larry's Penis," "Larry's Living Tissues," and through each focus see facts that we know repeated and viewed from different angles. I'm glad that everything I read doesn't follow this pattern, but I found it quite effective since we are to see Larry both as an individual and as a representative of the ordinary man at the close of the twentieth century. When Larry's son at five tells his father that he has voices in his head "and they're talking all the time," Larry worries until he realizes that "...They were nothing more than his son's interior thoughts. The beginning of self-consciousness. The start of that long, uncut, internal and endlessly repeated dialogue that would be with him for life." The chapters feel a little like that too, and the repetitions become part of the story that Larry tells himself about himself except that the narration is third person rather than first.
This is a charming book and Larry is a charming person - he must be because he marries twice and is in a third relationship at the end of the book. Add to his gentleness the fascination with the mazes that Larry first learns about and later designs, and I see why this book was an Orange Prize winner - even if I haven't read another book from its year.

Aug 22, 2012, 6:27pm Top

while I insist on having the correct cover or no cover showing, the book qua book is not important to me; that's why I'm perfectly happy with pretty grotty used books.

With you on the "grotty used books" front - with my reading tastes, if I wasn't content with those I'd never read anything! Covers I've loosened up over a lot, which may be a reflection of e-reading. Also, so many books from the 20s and 30s had spectacular dust jacket art that I feel those images should be preserved, even if they aren't technically "right".

Aug 22, 2012, 6:45pm Top

Hi Peggy, you have just made me ecstatic that I have Larry's Party on my shelf.

Aug 22, 2012, 6:48pm Top

Lovely review, Peggy.

Aug 22, 2012, 8:43pm Top

I am with you on book dimensions. I dont like the large-sized early release paperbacks which are more expensive and difficult to house in my over-worked storage space.

Aug 22, 2012, 11:15pm Top

Oh yeah, Liz! I don't blame you for using the wonderful art of the 20s and 30s! I just don't have so many of those. When I say "old," I mean pbs from the 60s and 70s.
Bonnie and Lucy, you are both mighty nice. Bonnie, I predict that you will be happy to keep *L'sP* when you've read it.
Hi, Paul! Always good to see you here!
I think I'm off to bed with a book - how novel!

Aug 23, 2012, 12:11am Top

Hi Peggy,
loving the dimensions discussion, and the practical joke discussion of old, and the book discussion, and the LT book-cataloguing discussion, and the general discussion.....so I guess I am liking the thread so far!

Aug 24, 2012, 11:05pm Top

Oh, this whole discussion is precious! I haven't used the field for where the book comes from yet. When I originally cataloged my collection, I put that info in the "personal comments' field and have continued to follow that practice.. When the "where" feature first appeared, I couldn't figure it out so never tried it again.

I'm sure the dimensions on many of my books are wrong; that's not my particular hang-up. I'm too busy getting the covers right and making sure I read my series in order. :)

Edited: Aug 25, 2012, 12:47am Top

I have to make a confession. I was feeling pretty ah, un-nerdy, because I wasn't cataloging my books by size and so on. But then I found myself in my basement with my laptop and the LT bar code kitty scanning my book shelves...


Aug 25, 2012, 2:19am Top

Wonderful gathering of fellow nerds!

So, Peggy, read any good books lately that you'd like to tell us about, before we take over your thread even more with all this nerd talk?

Edited: Aug 28, 2012, 10:15am Top

Genny, I would never EVER want to be rid of my community of nerds in which I feel so at home! Megan, Terri, Jenn, and Genny, you are all extremely welcome to talk about your cataloguing quirks for as long as you can!!!! Terri, I have to agree that reading series in order is a big, big deal. Jenn, you can run, but you can't hide.....
I was set last week to quote my little 18th century parson again, but then came the weekend! My five best high school friends, their husbands where applicable (I have one who grew up with us, but he never joins us; another story), and another three close couples with whom we grew up go to White Lake at this time every summer. For the past five years we've been planning our 50th high school reunion, coming up the first weekend in October. We have had conference calls too - it is the most pains-taking planning that has ever, ever been given to such an event! The planning doesn't last but a couple of hours, so the rest of the time is spent eating, drinking, swimming, sitting on the pier, and talking, talking, talking, laughing, laughing, laughing, maybe crying, and more talking. We stay in pretty close touch, so while we catch up, we have enough on-going interests to keep us lively and engaged. I made one LT convert this year - friend's husband, who is reading The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene, who wrote Fabric of the Cosmos which Jim is tutoring me through when I read any. Geoff looked at Jim's help to Mike and was carried away! (Friend John, btw, says that the reunion is doomed to failure: God is going to get us for our hubris, and the Devil will be after us on general principles.)
I hope to be able to report on Deep Water, the middle book of *Castings* trilogy later today, but that means that I'll have to get off LT to finish it.
First, though, I'm going to put a picture of the lake here, so you can get an idea..... (This is not my picture nor any of the places where we stay, but it gives you the idea of how white the bottom is and how clear the water. Oh. It's the original of Moon Lake in case anybody has ever read Jill McCorkle's The Cheer Leader.)

Aug 28, 2012, 10:27am Top

I have almost no contact with anyone from high school days so I hope you know how fortunate you are to have had friendships which have lasted this long. When I see trees like that near water, I think alligators. Are there?

Aug 28, 2012, 12:41pm Top

We do know how fortunate we are, Tui. No alligators in White Lake! It's a spring-fed Carolina bay with no river or swamp nearby to spawn gators.

Aug 28, 2012, 2:55pm Top

Oh, look, I check back in, weeks later, and the cataloging discussion is still going on! I realize now that I am terribly imprecise in my cataloging of my books. I like it to be as complete as possible (so I try to catch books as they come in the door), and I'm a little picky about the cover (it should be the cover of the copy I actually read unless I don't see it there--I don't know how to download my own cover), but beyond that I find it difficult and frustrating to make sure I'm entering the right edition so I rarely bother--I just select the first one that pops up. Also, everything in my library is entered as a book, even when it is actually an audiobook or kindle book. So the dimensions are hardly relevant. Although I could see becoming very obsessed about entering the exact book.

It sounds like you had a lovely weekend with old friends--how wonderful. I have two very good friends from before high school that I am still in touch with, though one lives in Connecticut and the other in Cairo.

Very nice review of Larry's Party, Peggy-- (one I have been meaning to read).

Aug 28, 2012, 3:42pm Top

Hi, Anne! Glad to see you back and checking in with your cataloguing requirements. I have never found Kindle books when I've been putting them in, but otherwise, I do try to find the correct edition. I do love my height statistic and don't care that it's off a bit because of the ones on the Kindle. In fact, I don't feel that that makes it "off."
LIfe-long friends are the best! I thought that I would keep up more with my college friends, but that didn't happen. I haven't lost the few close ones, but it's nothing like the friendship with the ones who have always been here.
(Thank you for the compliment, Anne! I hope that you enjoy *Larry* when you read him.)

THE CASTINGS TRILOGY by Pamela Freeman - Deep Water

Having met the characters and understood the situation in Blood Ties, we get a lot of the history of the Domains in Deep Water. Freeman knows how to build a world, and she knows how to write too! In fact, a lot of the action depends on Deep Water in three different places, and I join Lucy, Tui, and Roni in encouraging fantasy lovers to wait no longer before diving in!

Aug 28, 2012, 6:52pm Top

How neat to have such a tight group of old friends, and what a gorgeous lake!
I am only still in regular contact with one friend older than high school. We've been friends since 6th grade, and we manage to keep in touch even though she moves all over the world.
My high school friends - can't really think of any I actually keep in touch with. I see them sometimes when I visit my husband's family. We grew up in the same town. College room mates, some. We exchange Christmas cards and some of us keep in touch via Facebook. We had a room mate reunion 3 years ago, and I didn't make it because another close friend of mine had passed away from breast cancer and her funeral was that weekend. A few of the room mates were not very understanding of my last minute change of plans, which has resulted in some cooling in our relationship. Mostly because it was hard for me to understand why they were so upset with me. Like I could call her husband - who is a good friend of my husband - and say, sorry, we won't be there because I have to be white water rafting in the mountains with old college room mates... Anyway, I would say my closest friends now are the ones I have made since marriage and kids.

I am adding The Castings Trilogy to the pile. Can't resist a good fantasy.

Aug 28, 2012, 7:02pm Top

Now that's funny. I have one high school friend that I am still in contact with (although I haven't seen her now for 5 years as she lives in Maine). But I have five college friends who I am very close with. We get together monthly and go out to dinner or lunch. It doesn't matter which, as long as we can get an ice cold Cosmopolitan;-)

Aug 28, 2012, 10:14pm Top

Hi, Bonnie and Jenn. Friendship patterns are funny. This group gathers from N.C., Princeton, Phillie, West Virginia, and Georgia; until she moved back, one woman came from Spokane. Three of us are still in the home town.
Jenn, I would be very hurt if people I consider friends couldn't understand that attending to mourning at a funeral must take precedence over fun and games. Humph. I can almost guarantee that you'll love *Castings*! It's as good a find as The Name of the Wind was for me.
Bonnie, I'm sure that if my college friends were close enough to meet monthly, I'd do that too. They've really scattered! The closest, and the one I'm closest to, is in Charlotte; then it's Colorado, New Mexico, and Australia! Good grief!

Aug 29, 2012, 9:50am Top

I started Castings last night. So far I really like it. :)

I think you should plan a visit to the Colorado and New Mexico college friends. Then we could have lunch. :)

Aug 29, 2012, 10:53am Top

Hooray for *Castings*! Jenn, we never go anywhere, anytime, but I'll take you up on that lunch if we ever do!

Aug 30, 2012, 5:09pm Top

TULIP FEVER by Deborah Moggach

This is a very slight book, more a story of adultery that happens to be set in 17th century Amsterdam than a study of the tulip fever that swept through the country. On the other hand, the denouement could not have happened as it did in any other place or time. I enjoyed it, but I was hoping for more from Moggach since I had enjoyed In the Dark a lot.
Most of you, my friends, could read it in one sitting (it was my bed book for a week or so), and you might indulge when you're after some good writing and one sheer gasp of amazement and schadenfreude.

Aug 30, 2012, 6:04pm Top

I remember being rather disappointed with that one - I think I was looking for more tulips and less fever.

Aug 30, 2012, 6:07pm Top

Peggy, that sounds interesting.
Genny, that made me laugh out loud.

Aug 30, 2012, 6:28pm Top

Tui, you have been warned!!!

Aug 30, 2012, 6:34pm Top

To hearken back to old discussions, since I didn't chime in at the time...

I started out very faithfully scanning my many, many covers that were not in LT--but then LT improved so that all those scans are now (although at the time the highest resolution able to import) all fuzzy, and I am NOT going to do it all over again. Just not quite OCD enough, alas.

I keep in touch with several elementary school friends and several high school friends that I see when I visit back home--made easier by the fact that they never left. However, my college friends are scattered all over the country--Florida, Pennsylvania, one deceased in Vermont, and the one in Virginia has now moved back to Kansas City at least!

Aug 30, 2012, 7:02pm Top

A chime from Roni is good any time! I confess that the worst thing that I don't do about my books here is to go back and correct the location when I move a book. It happens too frequently for me to get most of them, and my whole DEAL here was to know where every book was. So I think you are all grand!!!


I am surprised when I disagree with Suzanne about a book, but I liked this one a lot less than she did. In fact, on her thread somebody posted a wicked review from The Guardian with which I mostly agree. I read over half of it with some interest. The other half left me cold..... Why would anybody in the world be interested in the summary of an old movie? Then, when the movie was over, the attention was over. I think that I'm supposed to feel that his panic attacks were like the man who had been poisoned and was running because he had only a day or so to live, but I'm not sure. I do expect a memoir to offer the author some time for reflection. Not much of that going on here. On the other hand, sometimes he's brilliant, so I ended up giving it 3 stars for the brilliance, but I'm awfully glad that I didn't spend my own money or PBS credits for this one.
(Because it is an ER book, you may read my review on the book page if you have any interest. I did quote some representative passages, I think.)

Aug 31, 2012, 1:16am Top

More tulips and less fever! LOLOL.

Aug 31, 2012, 6:54am Top

Peggy, thanks for the tip about Moggach. I plan to give In the Dark a try. I always love your thread--such interesting stuff.

Aug 31, 2012, 6:32pm Top

Yay, Becky with thanks! Jenn, Genny's right!

AUGUST FOLLY by Angela Thirkell

What a way to end the month! This book is light, engaging, witty, and surprisingly wise - although I don't know why I should be surprised that a woman as witty as Thirkell would also be wise. The action centers on three families (two related and well-off, the other not so much although the parents are respected academics) who are putting on a Greek drama for the delectation of the countryside. Romance and true love and a donkey mix with Thirkell's clear-eyed look at these ordinary, loveable, non-loveable people. A treat!

Aug 31, 2012, 11:16pm Top

Hi Peggy - I've heard so many good things about Thirkell. I'll have to move her up on my list of authors to check out.

Sep 1, 2012, 4:36am Top

August Folly was my first ever Thirkell, read last August. I agree it is a real treat! I loved the donkey especially.

Sep 1, 2012, 8:12am Top

I've only read a couple of Thirkell's books so far, but August Folly is at the top of the list in enjoyment.

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