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karenmarie's 2017 reading and occasional other nonsense - part 8 - my lucky number!

75 Books Challenge for 2017

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1karenmarie
Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 9:42am Top

Welcome to my eighth thread of 2017. Thanks to all who visit!

I joined LT in October of 2007, anxious to find a good place to catalog my books. I never dreamed that I’d make so many friends, participate in so many conversations, and get SO MANY book bullets! My reading has expanded thanks to the 75 Book Challenge. I have also, in that time, doubled the number of books on my shelves, from about 2200 to about 4400. I’ve got the bug bad, I’m afraid. *smile*

My goal is to read a minimum of 100 books and seem to be on track with 64 read through the middle of August. I also want to read 34,000 pages and have read 22,966 so am definitely on target.







I am reading the Literary Study Bible for the entire year, and am tracking the number of pages read. I'll update it at the end of every month. I'm almost to the New Testament. A testament to my stubbornness, getting this far (Sept. 19, 2017)




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The Treasurer’s job is going well, and we got accomplished the financial things that will help us out in the next several years. Daughter is living about 3 hours away, working 6 days a week and saving money when she can. She’s once again making go-back-to-school noises, this time for a certificate program in business. She is also now making I-hate-this-job noises, which should facilitate doing something about school. *smile*

Husband and daughter the summer we moved to the home we're in now. Farmer Joe baled the hay on the lots that hadn't been built on yet across the cul-de-sac. Edited to add: 1998.



My take on the Pearl Rule:

Karen's Rule "If for any reason you don't want to continue reading a book, put it down. You may keep it, get rid of it, re-start it, never finish it, finish it from where you left off, but put it down." A different way of saying it is that I abandon books with glee if they're not working for me.

Apologies to SuziQoregon (Juli) - I have appropriated your 2016 subject line because I like it so much!

2karenmarie
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 7:29am Top

Books read in 2017

01. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: The Original Screenplay by J. K. Rowling 1/1/17 1/3/17 **** 318 pages hardcover
** Defining the Wind by Scott Huler abandoned after 61 pages read
02. The Stolen Bride by Jo Beverley 1/3/17 1/3/17 ** 269 pages trade paperback
03. The Patriotic Murders by Agatha Christie 1/8/17 1/9/17 *** 211 pages hardcover
04. Black Coffee by Agatha Christie 1/10/17 1/11/17 ***1/2 184 pages hardcover
05. The Regatta Mystery and Other Stories by Agatha Christie 1/13/17 1/14/17 ***1/2 185 pages hardcover
06. American Tabloid by James Ellroy 1/4/16 1/19/17 **** 592 pages trade paperback
07. Talking to the Dead by Harry Bingham 1/23/17 1/26/17 **** 378 pages Kindle
08. Witches of Lychford by Paul Cornell 1/27/17 1/27/17 ***1/2 144 pages trade paperback
09. The Strange Death of Fiona Griffiths by Harry Bingham 1/28/17 1/29/17 **** 398 pages Kindle
10. Sad Cypress by Agatha Christie 1/29/17 1/30/2017 ***1/2 201 pages hardcover
11. One Good Turn by Carla Kelly 1/31/17 1/31/17 **** 215 pages mass market paperback
12. The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway 2/4/17 2/5/17 ***1/2 140 pages hardcover
13. The Dutiful Daughter by Vanessa Gray 2/1/17 2/5/17 ** 216 pages mass market paperback
14. Verdict of Twelve by Raymond Postgate 2/6/17 2/7/17 *** 250 pages trade paperback
15. The Crossing by Michael Connelly 2/8/17 2/10/17 ***1/2 388 pages hardcover
16. The Wrong Side of Goodbye by Michael Connelly 2/10/17 2/12/17 **** 400 pages hardcover
17. My Dark Places by James Ellroy 2/13/17 2/16/17 **** 427 pages trade paperback
18. Jeremy Poldark by Winston Graham 2/17/17 2/19/17 **** 344 pages trade paperback
19. This Thing of Darkness by Harry Bingham 2/21/17 2/24/17 **** Kindle 562 pages trade paperback
20. Bleak House by Charles Dickens 2/1/17 2/27/17 Kindle 830 pages hardcover
21. Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders 2/20/17 3/1/17 ***** 343 pages hardcover
** The Xibalba Murders by Lyn Hamilton abandoned after 122 pages read
22. Warleggan by Winston Graham 2/27/17 3/9/17 **** 471 pages trade paperback
23. The Black Moon by Winston Graham 3/10/17 3/13/17 ****546 pages trade paperback
24. The Pale Horse by Agatha Christie 3/14/17 3/18/17 **1/2 214 pages hardcover
25. The Four Swans by Winston Graham 3/19/17 581 pages trade paperback 1976
26. Birds Art Life: A Year of Observation by Kyo Maclear 3/28/17 3/29/17 ****1/2 221 pages
hardcover
27. His Excellency: George Washington by Joseph J. Ellis 3/1/17 to 4/3/17 **** audiobook, 14.75 hours unabridged
28. The Angry Tide by Winston Graham 3/30/17 4/9/17 **** 612 pages trade paperback
29. The Twelve Terrors of Christmas by John Updike 4/13/17 4/13/17 12 pages hardcover
30. Amok by Stefan Zweig 4/14/17 to 4/14/17 ***1/2 121 pages hardcover
31. The Stranger from the Sea by Winston Graham 4/9/17 4/17/17 ***1/2 499 pages trade paperback
32. Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama 4/3/17 4/19/17 ****1/2 audiobook, 7.5 hours abridged
33. The Big Year by Mark Obmascik 248 pages, 253 pages trade paperback 4/18/17 4/21/17 **** 250 pages trade paperback
34. The Miller's Dance by Winston Graham 4/22/17 4/26/17 **** 485 pages trade paperback
35. The Dead House by Harry Bingham 5/1/17 5/4/17 **** 500 pages trade paperback
36. Spring Fever by Mary Kay Andrews 5/6/17 5/8/17 *** 402 pages trade paperback
37. The Twisted Sword by Winston Graham 5/9/17 5/12/17 **** 645 pages trade paperback
38. Bella Poldark by Winston Graham 5/12/17 5/17/17 ***1/2 704 pages trade paperback read as e-book on Kindle
39. Shoeless Joe by W.P. Kinsella 5/17/18 5/22/17 ****1/2 272 pages trade paperback read as e-book on Kindle
40. The Monogram Murders by Sophie Hannah 5/23/17 5/25/17 *** 384 pages hardcover
41. The Lost City of the Monkey God by Douglas Preston 5/25/17 5/28/17 *** 336 pages hardover
42. Ladies' Night by Mary Kay Andrews 5/28/17 6/1/17 *** 582 page mass market paperback
43. Midnight Crossroad by Charlaine Harris 6/1/17 6/6/17 *** 305 pages hardcover
44. A Cup of Light by Nicole Mones 6/10/17 6/12/17 **** 292 pages trade paperback
45. Festive in Death by J.D. Robb 6/12/17 6/16/17 ***1/2 389 pages hardcover
46. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling 4/20/17 -5/8/17 and 6/10/17 - 6/22/17 **** audiobook 8.3 hours unabridged
47. Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari 3/16/17 6/29/17 ****1/2 416 pages hardcover
48. Home by Harlan Coben 6/29/17 7/1/17 **** 442 pages mass market paperback
49. The Deepest Grave by Harry Bingham 7/1/17 7/4/17 **** 454 pages trade paperback
50. Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn 7/4/17 7/6/17 ***1/2 252 pages hardcover
51. Dark Places by Gillian Flynn 7/7/17 7/9/17 **** 538 pages mass market paperback
52. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling 6/23/17 7/14/17 **** audiobook 8.3 hours unabridged
53. An Atlas of Countries That Don't Exist by Nick Middleton 7/14/17 7/16/17 **** 240 pages hardcover
54. Cocaine Blues by Kerry Greenwood 7/14/17 7/16/17 ***1/2 175 pages trade paperback
55. The Stranger by Harlan Coben 07/16/17 7/17/17 **** 449 pages mass market paperback
56. The Blackhouse by Peter May 7/18/17 7/22/17 ****1/2 479 pages trade paperback
57. The Lewis Man by Peter May 7/22/17 7/25/17 ****1/2 418 pages trade paperback
58. Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 7/24/17 7/27/17 **** 8.75 hours audiobook
59. The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon 7/30/17 8/3/17 ** 152 pages trade paperback
60. Raven Black by Ann Cleeves 8/3/17 8/8/17 *** 376 pages trade paperback
61. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling 7/14/17 8/11/17 **** audiobook
62. Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami 7/30/17 8/12/17 467 pages trade paperback
63. A Cotswold Killing by Rebecca Tope 8/12/17 8/14/17 *** 1/2 288 pages Kindle
64. The Late Show by Michael Connelly 8/14/17 8/17/17 **** 448 pages hardcover
65. The Last Anniversary by Liane Moriarty 8/17/17 ****1/2 388 pages trade paperback
66. Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children 8/23/17 8/30/17 by Ransom Riggs **1/2 352 pages trade paperback
67. The Killings at Badger's Drift by Caroline Graham 8/30/17 9/2/17 **** 261 pages trade paperback
68. Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz 9/2/17 to 9/9/17 **** 458 pages hardcover

** The Book of Love and Hate by Lauren Sanders abandoned after 97 pages read

Reading:
a Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles 9/10/17 462 pages hardcover 2016
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling 8/11/17 audiobook
Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut 6/16/17 219 pages hardcover 1997
Tree of Smoke by Denis Johnson 6/17/17 614 pages hardcover 2007
The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt 11/15/16 318 pages hardcover 2012
The Literary Study Bible by Leland Ryken and Philip Graham Ryken 1/1/17 1879 pages hardcover plus 18 pages Preface, Introduction, and Features 2007
The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Bible by James S. Bell Jr. and Stan Campbell 7/23/17 334 pages including Introduction

3karenmarie
Edited: Sep 15, 2017, 1:51pm Top

Adds in 2017

January - 18
1. Amazon Gift Card American Blood by James Ellroy suggested by Ameise1
2. Amazon Gift Card The Cold Six Thousand by James Ellroy suggested by Ameise1
3. Amazon The Wicked Girls by Alex Marwood - suggested by SGiV
4. Bookmooch hide and seek by Ian Rankin
5. Friend Louise Killer View by Ridley Pearson
6. Friend Nancy I Am Radar by Reif Larsen
7. Amazon Full Dark House by Christopher Fowler
8. Amazon The Assault by Harry Mulisch suggested by Paul C. and Anita
9. Bookmooch A Knife to Remember by Jill Churchill
10. Bookmooch Lost on Planet China by J. Maarten Troost
11. Amazon Quiet by Susan Cain
12. Bookmooch Creation by Gore Vidal
13. Amazon The Three-Body Problem
14. Mom Holy Bible
15. Mom Bottom Line's Secret Food Cures
16. Mom Bottom Line's Best-Ever Kitchen Secrets
17. Mom Bottom Line's Best-Ever Home Secrets
18. Mom Hummingbirds by Esther Qusada Tyrrell and Robert A. Tyrrell

February - 42
19. Amazon Verdict of Twelve by Raymond Postgate recommended by jillmwo Jill
20. Thrift Shop Idiot's Guide to Conversational Sign Language
21. Thrift Shop I Am America (And So Can You) by Stephen Colbert
22. Thrift Shop Night Film by Marisha Pessl
23. Thrift Shop The United States of Europe by T.R. Reid
24. Thrift Shop Tales of the South Pacific by James Michener
25. Thrift Shop Closed Casket by Agatha Christie
26. Thrift Shop Affliction by Laurell K. Hamilton
27. Thrift Shop Simply Tai Chi by Graham Bryant and Lorraine James
28. Thrift Shop Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky
29. Thrift Shop Apes, Angels, and Victorians by William Levine
30. Thrift Shop My Reading Life by Pat Conroy
31. Thrift Shop Four in Hand by Stephanie Laurens
32. Amazon The Wrong Side of Goodbye by Michael Connelly
33. Circle City Books My Dark Places by James Ellroy
34. Amazon Racing the Devil by Charles Todd
35. Friend Karen The Trouble with Islam Today by Irshad Manji
36. Friend Karen Goddesses: An illustrated journey into the myths, symbols, and rituals of the goddess by Manuela Dunn Mascetti
37. Friend Karen The Eagle and The Rose by Rosemary Altea
38. Friend Karen Last Call by Daniel Okrent
39. Friend Karen Wildflowers in Color: Eastern Edition by Walter
40. Friend Karen Brooklyn by Colm Toibin
41. Friend Karen The Tiger's Wife by Tea Obreht
42. Friend Karen Blind Your Ponies by Stanley Gordon West
43. Friend Karen Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas by Tom Robbins
44. Friend Karen Jerusalem, Jerusalem by James Carroll
45. Friend Karen Sweet Thunder by Ivan Doig
46. Friend Karen The Warrior Queens by Antonia Fraser
47. Friend Karen Half the Sky by Nicholas D. Kristof
48. Friend Karen Invisible Acts of Power by Caroline Myss
49. Uncle Oren - New Testament
50. Thrift Shop - The Spanish Bride by Georgette Heyer
51. Kindle - The Strange Death of Fiona Griffiths by Harry Bingham
52. Kindle - This Thing of Darkness by Harry Bingham
53. Kindle - The Dead House by Harry Bingham
54. Amazon - Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders
55. Amazon - Warleggan by Winston Graham
56. Amazon - The Black Moon by Winston Graham
57. Amazon - The Four Swans by Winston Graham
58. Amazon - The Oxford Companion to the Bible
59. Costco - The Rainbow Comes and Goes by Anderson Cooper and Gloria Vanderbilt
60. Amazon - The Xibalba Murders by Lyn Hamilton

March - 7
61. Bookmooch - The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon
62. Amazon - A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers
63. Costco - Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari
64. Amazon - My Brilliant Friend by Elena Ferrante
65. Amazon - The Angry Tide by Winston Graham
66. Amazon - The Stranger from the Sea by Winston Graham
67. Amazon - The Miller's Dance by Winston Graham

April - 64
68. Friends of the Library free for donating time - Dead Man's Time by Peter James
69. Friends of the Library free for donating time - The Greater Journey: Americans in Paris by David McCullough
70. Friends of the Library free for donating time - Viper Wine by Hermione Eyre
71. Amazon - A is for Arsenic by Kathryn Markup
72. Thrift Shop – You Suck by Christopher Moore
73. Thrift Shop – Mansfield Park Revisited by Joan Aiken
74. Thrift Shop – Festive in Death by J.D. Robb
75. Stasia - The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
76. Amazon – The Miller’s Dance
77. Amazon – The Stranger from the Sea
78. Amazon – The Angry Tide
79. - 123. Friends of the Library Book Sale: 45 books
The 26 Letters by Oscar Ogg
Astray by Emma Donoghue
Enemy Women by Penelope Jiles
The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran
Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn
A Judgment in Stone by Ruth Rendell
Spring Fever by Mary Kay Andrews
The Darkest Secret by Alex Marwood
Not Dead Enough by Peter James
Dead Like You by Peter James
Not Dead Yet by Peter James
The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu
Death's End by Cixin Liu
The Book of Abraham by Marek Halter
Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow
Mass Market Paperback - O Jerusalem by Laurie R. King
Audiobook - Go Set a Watchman by Harper Lee
The Covenant by James Michener
Alaska by James Michener
Caribbean by James Michener
Chesapeake by James Michener
Return to Paradise by ... you guessed it..... James Michener
The Man of Property by John Galsworthy, slipcased
Amok by Stefan Zweig
The Life and Campaigns of Napoleon by M.A. Arnault and C.L.F. Panckoucke - 1852
Murder in the Cathedral by T.S. Eliot - 1935 - first US edition with tattered dust jacket
The Confessions of Nat Turner by William Styron
Mission to Malaspiga by Evelyn Anthony
The Poellenberg Inheritance by Evelyn Anthony
van Loon's Lives by Hendrik Willem van Loon
Adam and Eve and Pinch Me by Ruth Rendell
The Incongruous Spy by John le Carré - two novels, Call for the Dead and A Murder of Quality
The Twelve Terrors of Christmas by John Updike with Drawings by Edward Gorey
The Poems of James Russell Lowell
The Library Paradox by Catherine Shaw
The Victoria Vanishes by Christopher Fowler
Brother of the More Famous Jack by Barbara Trapido
The Ludwig Conspiracy by Oliver Pötzsch
The Missing File by D.A. Mishani
New Orleans Noir edited by Julie Smith
The Kookaburra Gambit by Claire McNab
Wartime Writings 1939-1944 by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Blackwater by Kerstin Ekman
Copper River by Willliam Kent Krueger
The Ogden Nash Pocket Book by Ogden Nash with Introduction by Louis Untermeyer
124. Cordelia by Winston Graham
125. Amazon – Peterson Guide to Eastern Birds by Roger Tory Peterson
126. Amazon – Bella Poldark by Winston Graham
127. Amazon – The Twisted Sword by Winston Graham
128. Amazon – The Loving Cup by Winston Graham
129. Bookmooch - Tomorrow Will Be Better by Betty Smith
130. Friend Louise - The Appeal by John Grisham
131. Costco - White Trash: The 400-Year Untold Story of Class in America by Nancy Isenberg

May - 6
132. Sanford PTO - Blood's a Rover by James Ellroy
133. Bookmooch - The Faith Club by Ranya Idliby, Suzanne Oliver, and Priscilla Warner
134. Amazon - The Monogram Murders by Sophie Hannah - Kindle
135. CVS - Ladies' Night by Mary Kay Andrews
136. Amazon Kindle - The Lost City of the Monkey God by Douglas Preston
137. Amazon Kindle - Bella Poldark by Winston Graham

June - 15
138. Diamond Bar FOL Bookstore - Midnight Crossing by Charlaine Harris
139. Diamond Bar FOL Bookstore - A Study in Scarlet/The Hound of the Baskervilles by A. Conan Doyle
140. Bookmooch - A Cup of Light by Nicole Mones
141. Amazon Kindle - The Man Who Could be King by John Ripin Miller
142. Amazon Kindle - This Side of Paradise by F. Scott Fitzgerald
143. Amazon - spill simmer falter wither by Sara Baume
144. Amazon - The Deepest Grave by Harry Bingham
145. LT ER book - An Atlas of Countries That Don't Exist by Nick Middleton
146. Walgreens - Home by Harlan Coben
147. Thrift Shop - Apprentice in Death by J.D. Robb
148. Amazon - Making the Mummies Dance by Thomas Hoving
149. Amazon - Lincoln in the Bardo audiobook
150. Amazon - Theft by Finding by David Sedaris
151. Mom's House - Franklin School Yearbook 1949
152. Mom's House - Franklin School Yearbook 1950

July - 23
153. Friend Karen - The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Bible by Bell and Campbell
154. Friend Karen - Beowulf Translated - Bilingual Edition by Seamus Heaney
155. Friend Karen - Into Africa: The Epic Adventures of Stanley and Livingstone by Martin Dugard
156. Friend Karen - The Way of the Shaman by Michael Harner
157. D&K Library - Faith and Works by Helen Zagat
158. D&K Library - You're Only Old Once!: A Book for Obsolete Children by Dr. Seuss
159. D&K Library - Ships by Enzo Angelucci
160. Thrift Shop - Julie & Julia by Julie Powell trade paperback to replace ratty mass market
161. Thrift Shop - Close by Martina Cole
162. Thrift Shop - Becoming Jane Austen by Jon Spence
163. Amazon - Cocaine Blues by Kerry Greenwood
164. McIntyre's - The Stranger by Harlen Coban
165. Amazon - Lillian Boxfish Takes a Walk by Kathleen Rooney
166. Louise - The Racketeer by John Grisholm
167. Amazon - Dangerous Lady by Martina Cole
168. Amazon - Lillian Boxfish Takes a Walk by Kathleen Rooney
169. Thrift Shop - The Demon in the House by Angela Thirkell
170. Thrift Shop - The Birds Fall Down by Rebecca West
171. Thrift Shop - Echoes in Death by J. D. Robb
172. Thrift Shop - A Single Man by Christopher Isherwood
173. Thrift Shop - Run by Ann Patchett
174. Amazon - Extraordinary People by Peter May
175. Bookmooch - Good Will Hunting: A Screenplay by Ben Affleck

August - 20
176. Amazon - MASH A Novel About Three Army Doctors by Richard Hooker
177. Thrift Shop - Captain Wentworth's Persuasion by Regina Jeffers
178. Bookmooch - The Beak of the Finch by Jonathan Weiner
179. Bookmooch - Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children by Ransom Riggs
180. Amazon - Kindle - A Cotswold Killing by Rebecca Tope
181. Amazon - Kindle - The Radium Girls by Kate Moore
182. Costco - The Last Anniversary by Liane Moriarty
183. Costo - The Late Show by Michael Connelly
184. Thrift Shop - Devoted in Death by J.D. Robb
185. Thrift Shop - Obsession in Death by J.D. Robb
186. Thrift Shop - Brotherhood in Death by J.D. Robb
187. Thrift Shop - The Ravenous Must by Karen Elizabeth Gordon
188. Thrift Shop - A Year with G.K. Chesteron edited by Kevin Belmonte
189. Thrift Shop - The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency by Alexander McCall Smith
190. Barnes & Noble - Pretty Girls by Karin Slaughter
191. Amazon - The Killings at Badger's Drift by Caroline Graham
192. Colepark Thrift Shop - Night of the Avenging Blowfish by John Welter
193. Amazon - The Luminaries by Eleanor Catton
194. Barnes & Noble - Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson
195. Barnes & Noble - Y is for Yesterday by Sue Grafton

September - 5
196. Bookmooch - Old Filth by Jane Gardam
197. Amazon - Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz
198. Chapel Hill Friends of the Library Book Sale - Beautiful Ruins by Jess Walter
199. Chapel Hill Friends of the Library Book Sale - The Trespasser by Tana French
200. Chapel Hill Friends of the Library Book Sale - Truly Mady Guilty by Liane Moriarty
201. Amazon - A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles
202. The Book of Love and Hate by Lauren Sanders
203. Amazon - Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris
204. Thrift Shop - Moo by Jane Smiley
205. Thrift Shop - Number 11 by Jonathan Coe
206. Thrift Shop - Jack with a Twist by Brenda Janowitz
207. Thrift Shop - November 22, 1963 by Adam Braver

4karenmarie
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 7:29am Top

Culls for 2017

1. The Stolen Bride by Jo Beverley Drivel
2. Defining the Wind by Scott Huler I will never read this book
3. Tishomingo Blues by Elmore Leonard started, abandoned
4. Touch by Elmore Leonard bookmooched but won't ever read
5. Tales of the South Pacific by James Michener duplicate
6. Tales of the South Pacific by James Michener triplicate
7. The United States of Europe by T.R. Reid duplicate
8. The Dutiful Daughter by Vanessa Gray too stupid to keep
9. A Darkness More Than Night by Michael Connelly duplicate
10. A Passage to India by E.M. Forster duplicate
11. A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith duplicate
12. A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith triplicate
13. A Woman of Independent Means by Elizabeth Forsythe Hailey duplicate
14. And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie duplicate
15. Angels Flight by Michael Connelly duplicate
16. Anna's Book by Ruth Rendell writing as Barbara vine duplicate with Asta's Book
17. Balthazar (Alexandria Quartet) by Lawrence Durrell duplicate
18. Black Orchids by Rex Stout duplicate
19. Clea (Alexandria Quartet) by Lawrence Durrell duplicate
20. Justine (Alexandria Quartet) by Lawrence Durrell duplicate
21. Mountolive (Alexandria Quartet) by Lawrence Durrell duplicate
22. A Darkness More Than Night by Michael Connelly duplicate
23. Dinner at Antoine's by Frances Parkinson Keyes duplicate
24. Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper Case Closed by Patricia Cornwell duplicate
25. Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift duplicate
26. Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift triplicate
27. Cat People by Bill Hayward duplicate (I bought one copy, a friend gave me a second, so I'm keeping the second out of sentimentality)
28. The Xibalba Murders by Lyn Hamilton abandoned after 122 pages
29. A Spool of Blue Thread by Anne Tyler meh didn't want to read
30. The Spanish Bride by Georgette Heyer got a new trade paperback
31. David Coperfield by Charles Dickens, duplicate
32. Great Expectations by Charles Dickens, duplicate
33. Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens, duplicate
34. Cyrano de Bergerac by Edmond Rostand translation by Brian Hooker duplicate
35. The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer duplicate
36. The Power and the Glory by Graham Greene duplicate
37. The Elements of Style by Strunk and White
38. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
39. Miracle in the Hills by Maqry T. Martin Sloop duplicate
40. Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad duplicate
41. Little Women by Louisa May Alcott
42. Joy in the Morning by Betty Smith duplicate
43. Roots by Alex Haley duplicate
44. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence duplicate
45. Tales of Beedle the Bard by J.K. Rowling duplicate
46. The Road by Cormac McCarthy duplicate
47. In Search of J.D. Salinger by Ian Hamilton duplicate (kept SGiV's copy)
48. Brat Farrar by Josephine Tey triplicate
49. Brat Farrar by Josephine Tey triplicate
50. The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey triplicate
51. The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey triplicate
52. The Franchise Affair by Josephine Tey duplicate
53. Miss Pym Disposes by Josephine Tey duplicate
54. A Shilling for Candles by Josephine Tey duplicate
55. The Singing Sands by Josephine Tey duplicate
56. The Bridge of San Luis Rey by Thornton Wilder duplicate in Thornton Wilder Trio
57. Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll triplicate
58. Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen duplicate
59. Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain duplicate
3-20-17
60. Casual Day Has Gone Too Far by Scott Adams duplicate, given to daughter
61. Clouds of Witness by Dorothy L. Sayers duplicate
62. Gaudy Night by Dorothy L. Sayers triplicate
63. Gaudy Night by Dorothy L. Sayers triplicate
64. Have His Carcase by Dorothy L. Sayers duplicate
65. Verdict of Twelve by Raymond Postgate don't want to keep
66. The Mayor of Castorbridge by Thomas Hardy duplicate
67. A Murder in Time by Julie McElwain don't want to keep
68. The Mayor of Casterbridge by Thomas Hardy triplicate
69. Up the Down Staircase by Bel Kaufman duplicate
70. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs duplicate
71. The toplofty Lord Thorpe by Kasey Michaels 2.5 stars taking up shelf space
72. The Beleaguered Lord Bourne by Kasey Michaels 2.5 stars taking up shelf space
73. The Ruthless Lord Rule by Kasey Michaels 2.5 stars taking up shelf space
74. The Enterprising Lord Edward by Kasey Michaels 2.5 stars taking up shelf space
3-22-17
75. Journey to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda duplicate
76. Lucy: The Beginnings of Humankind by Donald Johanson duplicate
77. the lives and times of archy and mehitabel by don marquis duplicate
78. Lord Peter by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
79. QB VII by Leon Uris duplicate
80. Seabiscuit by Laura Hilldebrand duplicate
81. No Second Chance by Harlan Coben duplicate
82. The Tao of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff duplicate
83. the Floatplane Notebooks by Clyde Edgerton duplicate
84. Shining Through by Susan Isaacs duplicate
85. Red Sky at Morning by Richard Bradford duplicate
86. The Woods by Harlan Coben duplicate
87. The French Lieutenant's Woman by John Fowles duplicate
88. The Doorbell Rang by Rex Stout duplicate
89. The Doorbell Rang by Rex Stout triplicate
90. Tutankhamun:The Untold Story by Thomas Hoving duplicate
3/23/17
91. Tess of the D'Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy duplicate
92. The Return of the Native by Thomas Hardy duplicate
93. Far from the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy duplicate
94. Life's Little Instruction Book by H. Jackson Brown Jr. duplicate
95. The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner duplicate, contained within anthology
96. The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame duplicate
97. Royal Escape by Georgette Heyer duplicate
98. Bulfinch's Mythology by Thomas Bulfinch duplicate
99. O Pioneers! by Willa Cather duplicate contained within anthology
100. The Vicar of Wakefield by Oliver Goldsmith duplicate
3/25/17
101. The Sherlock Holmes Novels by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle duplicate
102. Clouds of Witness by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
103. Unnatural Death by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
104. Whose Body? by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
105. The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
106. Busman's Honeymoon by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
107. The Nine Tailors by Dorothy Sayers duplicate
108. The Balloon Man by Charlotte Armstrong duplicate, contained within anthology
109. The Witch's House by Charlotte Armstrong duplicate, contained within anthology
110. The Gift Shop by Charlotte Armstrong duplicate, contained within anthology
111. The Turret Room by Charlotte Armstrong duplicate, contained within anthology
112. The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins duplicate
3/26/17
113. Austenland by Hale, Shannon 2.5 stars
114. The Far Traveler: Voyages of a Viking Woman by Brown, Nancy Marie 2.5 stars
115. Einstein's Dreams by Lightman, Alan 2.5 stars
116. The Private Diary of Mr. Darcy by Slater, Maya 2.5 stars
117. The Great Influenza (The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History) by Barry, John M. 2.5 stars
118. 'Tis by McCourt, Frank 2.5 stars
119. Fire and Ice by Stuart, Anne 2 stars
120. Justinian's Flea: Plague, Empire, and the Birth of Europe by Rosen, William 2.5 stars
121. Fangs But No Fangs (The Young Brothers, Book 2) by Love, Kathy 2.5 stars
122. Fangs for the Memories (The Young Brothers, Book 1) by Love, Kathy 2.5 stars
123. I Only Have Fangs for You (The Young Brothers, Book 3) by Love, Kathy 2.5 stars
124. The Giver by Lowry, Lois 2.5 stars
125. The Member of the Wedding by McCullers, Carson 2 stars
3/28/17
126. The Assault by Harry Mulisch started it, didn't like it
4/1/17
127. My Brilliant Friend by Elena Ferrante started it, didn't like it
4/12/17
128. Astray by Emma Donoghue duplicate
129. van Loon's Lives by Henrik Willem van Loon duplicate
130. The Man of Property by John Galsworthy duplicate
131. Sandy Koufax - Strikeout King by Arnold Hano - will never read
132. Lincoln: A Life of Purpose and Power by Richard J. Carwardine started listening and didn't like the reader's voice and didn't like the tenor of the book
133. The World is Flat by Thomas L. Friedman - dated, boring
134. Ladies' Night by Mary Kay Andrews - bought in CA, not worth paying to ship home to NC
135. A Study in Scarlet/The Hound of the Baskervilles by A. Conan Doyle
136. Go Set a Watchman by Harper Lee audiobook, duplicate, 2nd one purchased better quality
137. The Judas Pair by Jonathan Gash
138. The Witches of Lychford by Paul Cornell
139. spill simmer falter wither by Sara Baume abandoned yeesh. depressing. And dogs.
140. Julie & Julia by Julie Powell mass market paperback replaced with trade paperback
141. The Perfect Husband by Lisa Gardner
142. Run by Ann Patchett
143. The Widow of the South by Robert Hicks
144. The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon blech
145. Ghost Stories from the American Southwest by Richard and Judy Dockrey Young - I took it off the shelf to scan the cover, looked through it, and realized I'd never, ever read it
146. Tales of the City by Armistead Maupin
147. More Tales of the City by Armistead Maupin
148. Further Tales of the City by Armistead Maupin
149. Significant Others by Armistead Maupin
150. Sure of You by Armistead Maupin
151. Babycakes by Armistead Maupin
152. Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children by Ransom Riggs
153. The Book of Love and Hate by Lauren Sanders - ER book, blech

5karenmarie
Edited: Sep 1, 2017, 9:02am Top

Year-to-Date Statistics through August 31

66 books read.
23,958 pages read.
1,274 pages of The Literary Study Bible, 187 pages of The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Bible.
60.35 audiobook hours.

Author
Male 64%
Female 36%

Living 71%
Dead 29%

US Born 38%
Foreign Born 62%

Medium
Hardcover 29%
Trade Pback 36%
Mass Market 9%
Audiobook 9%
e-Book 17%

Source
My Library 94%
Other 6%

Misc
ARC/ER 0%
Re-read 6%
Series 56%

Fiction 86%
NonFiction 14%

Author Birth Country
Australia 5%
Austria 2%
Canada 2%
England 47%
Israel 2%
Japan 2%
Scotland 3%
S. Africa 2%
US 38%

Original Year Published
1852 2%
1922 2%
1939 3%
1940 3%
1950 2%
1952 2%
1953 2%
1961 2%
1965 2%
1973 2%
1976 2%
1977 2%
1980 2%
1981 2%
1982 3%
1989 2%
1990 3%
1995 3%
1997 3%
1998 3%
1999 3%
2001 2%
2002 3%
2004 3%
2005 5%
2006 3%
2009 2%
2011 3%
2012 5%
2013 2%
2014 5%
2015 11%
2016 6%
2017 9%

Genre
Anthropology 2%
Biography 2%
Fantasy 9%
Fiction 12%
Geography 1%
Historical Fiction 15%
Literary Fiction 3%
Memoir 8%
Mystery 39%
Nature 2%
Romance 8%

6karenmarie
Aug 20, 2017, 11:17am Top

Next one is yours!

7jessibud2
Aug 20, 2017, 11:41am Top

Happy new thread!!!! :-)

8harrygbutler
Aug 20, 2017, 11:51am Top

Happy new thread, Karen! Nice photo of family and the rural environs in post 1.

9Berly
Aug 20, 2017, 12:03pm Top

Karen--Nice job you are doing on the culling. And I keep forgetting to tell you that I love your definition of the Pearl Rule in your opener. : )

10katiekrug
Aug 20, 2017, 12:11pm Top

I love the photo in your first post, Karen. I used to love playing on the "elephants" as we called them, in the fields around our house.

11souloftherose
Aug 20, 2017, 12:30pm Top

Happy new thread Karen! From your last thread, I really enjoyed your review of Kafka on the Shore and this sentence especially made me smile: 'This book is ridiculously easy to read and incredibly difficult to understand.' Yep.

12karenmarie
Aug 20, 2017, 12:44pm Top

>7 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley!

>8 harrygbutler: Thanks to you too, Harry. I wanted a pic of my family on this thread although it's an old one. And of course Magic the Puppy Cat makes it extra special. He was the sweetest, gentlest cat and I'm still sad that he died when he was only 12 1/2. He's under the tree my co-workers gave me when my Dad died.

>9 Berly: Hi Berly! I'm glad I've been keeping track of them this year. It never occurred to me that some people feel compelled to finish a book - I've always put books down if they stop appealing to me.

>10 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie! I never knew they were called that - the round bales. We always had to do serious tick patrol on ourselves after being near them.

>11 souloftherose: Thank you, Heather, and I'm glad you enjoyed my review. I've been reading the comments on the group read thread now that I've finished it (I started off reading them, then stopped as I felt some of them were getting spoilerish). Still an easy read, still difficult to understand.

13karenmarie
Aug 20, 2017, 12:56pm Top

What I'm going to write below is not being written to start a discussion of what's going on in our country and not an invitation to be critical of my husband. But I want to share what's important to me right now.

My husband has been very upset since Trump took office generally and since Charlottesville specifically. He was born and raised in North Carolina and is trying to work out the guilt he feels for having a Great-Great-Great Grandfather who owned slaves, loving the South of his childhood, and not feeling a bit like a White Supremacist yet resenting what he sees as the total hate of all things Southern. He’s sad that people want to get rid of all the Confederate statues yet understands it. He’s not a racist but recently had a gun pointed at him by a young black man driving by in a car and it has scared him and scarred him. He doesn’t feel like he can express any love for what he calls Southern Culture without people misinterpreting it. He’s unhappy that so many Northerners have moved to North Carolina and in the process feels that they are trying to eradicate the things they supposedly came here for. He’s conflicted and angry and sad and at a loss to feel any self-worth when he can’t separate people being disgusted with white supremacy, KKK, and neo-Nazism conflating it with what he sees as hate of The South.

He is tearing himself apart and I feel helpless. For one thing, I am not a Southerner, I am a Westerner, and was taught the “Northern” version of the Civil War. Husband’s family were ardent Democrats, but even I knew that they were racist and felt that whites were intrinsically superior to blacks just by the things they DIDN’T say. One uncle used the N-word until I think he realized how shocked and appalled I was (I didn’t have the gumption to actually challenge him) and then simply didn’t use it in my presence. But frankly I didn’t feel I could ever change their beliefs and simply hoped they would die with them. With the exception of one aunt, that generation has passed. That aunt has never expressed racism overtly or covertly, so hope that she's free from that taint.

I can’t relate intrinsically to what he’s feeling and also can’t understand why he can’t separate out his valid feelings of pride and love of what he calls Southern Culture and family from what it is being simplified to. All I can do is try to be supportive of his worth as a human being and agree with what I can agree with and keep quiet with what I can't.

I do agree with him that 85% of the men who fought in the Civil War for the South did so NOT to preserve slavery and states’ rights, but to protect their homes and states. They were cannon fodder as are most of those who actually fight the wars started by politicians and those craving power. I have never been upset at the Confederate Soldier Statue at our courthouse, yet was upset that there were men there the other day 'guarding' it from being taken down.

It’s all so confusing and disturbing.

14PaulCranswick
Aug 20, 2017, 1:43pm Top

Happy new thread, Karen.

>13 karenmarie: There are plenty of shades of grey in history, Karen. We look, from the remove of the 21st century and know the wrongs of slavery and to the victors goes the right to portray history only in colours of their own choosing - to paint every white person from a confederate state as an unrepentant white supremacist is the same as equating every single German today with the stain of Nazism and personal responsibility for the holocaust.

15weird_O
Aug 20, 2017, 4:24pm Top

I was going to congratulate you on this new thread, but >13 karenmarie: ... Oh my. I hope you and yours will weather this turmoil.

16karenmarie
Aug 20, 2017, 4:51pm Top

>14 PaulCranswick: Hi Paul and thank you, both re my new thread and re your comments. He knows that intellectually, just isn't feeling it in his gut right now.

>15 weird_O: Hi Bill! Well you de-lurk and look at what you get! Sorry it was so serious when you were simply trying to wish me happy new thread. We'll get through this, I know.

17m.belljackson
Aug 20, 2017, 5:56pm Top

>13 karenmarie:

My Eastern Tennessee ancestors fought for the Union in their confederate state, likely more for unity than anti-salvery.
Yet, I'm not sure since we also have a Cherokee great-great-great Grandmother.

To me, the parts of that Southern culture which are distinct from the slaves brought to then-British colonies in the North on a Dutch ship
(according to the last information I read) would be: hospitality, religion, good home-cooking, politeness, hunting, independence...

How does your husband define Southern culture? What parts do people misinterpret?

Has he considered that the Confederate statues could go into museums?

Does he understand that to the descendants of slaves the statues represent pure hatred for their people?

The gun incident would terrify nearly all of us. It would make us afraid of whatever people did it,
whatever color they or we were. If the gun had been pointed at a Black man, however much
the man might understand the POSSIBLE backstory all the way to Jamestown or Alabama or
the south side of Chicago, he would be just as afraid and angry.

Yet, there is still a boundary: if the person pointing the gun had been a young white woman,
your husband would likely not think about being sexist, nor about being afraid of young white women.

18FAMeulstee
Edited: Aug 20, 2017, 6:08pm Top

Happy new thread, Karen.

>13 karenmarie: I have no real answer, only my own experience that many years ago I was beaten up badly and that the confusion and anger took some time (years) to fade away... Your husband experience of facing a gun might need a similair time to heal.

19harrygbutler
Aug 20, 2017, 7:29pm Top

>12 karenmarie: I can appreciate that, Karen. Erika and I lost the first cat we had together at a fairly young age (also about 12) as well.

>13 karenmarie: I hope your husband finds peace and comfort, Karen!

20majleavy
Aug 20, 2017, 10:08pm Top

>13 karenmarie: Rough time for a lot of people in a lot of ways these days, I guess. My empathy to your husband and you. With luck we can all come out the other end of these times as better people.

21drneutron
Aug 20, 2017, 10:55pm Top

Happy new thread!

22nittnut
Edited: Aug 20, 2017, 11:44pm Top

>13 karenmarie: I am so glad you wrote this. I'm a transplant from CA, like you, and all of this stuff is a little foreign to me - we don't generally erect statues to the confederacy in the Western US - the racism I saw was mostly directed toward my friends of Mexican and South/Central American descent. It wasn't right, but it didn't have the additional weight of slavery and Jim Crow.
I really feel for your husband. I think that there is a real struggle going on, and a legitimate one, to define what parts of our culture are okay, and what parts are not. Unfortunately, it does not seem like anyone is willing? able? to have civil discourse on the subject. I have been part of a group on FB that is meant to be a safe place to discuss issues of race and build unity, but to be honest, it's been very distressing. There are some people who want to tear everything down without respect for whether it's good or bad, and they don't want to talk about it. They just want everyone to say they are right, and if someone disagrees, they are automatically racist, and if someone in the group asks a question they think is ignorant, they are not nice at all. It's nonsense. The bottom line is, slavery happened. It was dead wrong. Judging the value of a person by the color of their skin is dead wrong. There is not enough sorry in the world to make up for that. There just isn't. So, what do we do? Throwing all the white people, especially the white males, under the bus is not the solution.
I don't necessarily have a problem with removal of some of the statues, but I do not believe people should feel entitled to just go on over and vandalize them or tear them down without due process. We are losing some of the moral and social guidelines that facilitate the civil process, and that is worrisome. Our politicians, don't care what party, are doing a super lousy job acting like adults and leaders. We certainly can't look to them for an example of how to behave.

23Familyhistorian
Aug 21, 2017, 12:01am Top

Happy new thread, Karen. Standing by being supportive but feeling helpless is a hard role to play. Courage and peace to both of you.

24msf59
Aug 21, 2017, 6:42am Top

Happy New Thread, Karen. Hooray for your lucky number! Hope you had a good weekend.

I am back to work today and it will be warm and humid. Boo!

25karenmarie
Aug 21, 2017, 7:05am Top

I want to thank all of you for posting. I was hesitant to write what I did, but am glad I did.

>17 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne. In all the genealogical research I’ve done on MY side of the family, I have not found one direct ancestor that fought in the Civil War. I may be missing something, but so far not a one. The one ancestor I discovered who did fight (brother of a great-great grandfather) was in the war for about a minute, got wounded, and got invalided home. And the closest I have to any family member living in the South was my great-grandfather Pomeroy, who lived in Texas from about 1900 ‘til he died in 1916. No Southerners.

Your Eastern Tennessee ancestors did what most people did, I think - acted locally, but apparently with extreme bravery. There are always people who don't do what the herd does. Whatever their reasons, they came down on the side of history. My husband's family didn't, and that's just the truth.

I love your parts of southern culture distinct from slavery - hospitality, religion, good home-cooking, politeness, hunting, independence...

He hasn’t been articulate in what he defines as Southern culture, but these good things he can still be proud of. Thank you.

He’s okay with the idea of Confederate Statues going to museums, but not happy about it. It would be better than destroying them, though. And though I don’t like saying this, he’s tone-deaf to what the statues represent to descendants of slaves. Tone-deaf, but not with antipathy. He can see it logically, but that’s all, I’m afraid.

He’s never had a gun pointed at him before this incident. It’s unfortunate that it was a young black man instead of another ethnic/racial age group, although it’s unfortunate at all, obviously. I’ll never know how he would have felt about that. The ‘opportunity’ is lost. What if, what if, what if….. all unknown. The fact that he works in one of the most crime-ridden cities in our state is also unfortunate.

>18 FAMeulstee: Hi Anita! Violence is always traumatic and I’m sorry you were beaten up badly. I do know that time will dull the horror of what my husband went through, but am afraid it won’t ever completely go away.

>19 harrygbutler: Good morning, Harry! Our kitties are such a part of our lives! Kitty William is 18, and I dread the day he goes to kitty heaven. I’m hoping for another year or two….. And thank you re my husband.

>20 majleavy: Hi Michael. Thank you. I’m hoping that, too. This is the lancing of the boil, in a way, and I hope that much of the ugliness and bad feelings can be cleaned out and some healing take place. It certainly has brought things to the surface – my husband was right when he said that the Civil Rights Act, totally necessary and important, pushed racism underground. It also has lost the South to Democrats for more than the 30 years that apparently Lyndon Johnson thought it would.

>21 drneutron: Thanks, Jim! Your efforts as administrator are greatly appreciated – here’s another opportunity to say how much I love this group and appreciate your efforts on our behalf.

>22 nittnut: Ah Jenn. You understand the same way I do. It is foreign. I did see the racism against Hispanics as I got older, although I was blessed with good friends who were Mexican (Rita and Margarita in junior high school until we moved, then Isabel the rest of my life so far). There are good people and bad people of all races, ethnicities, and colors. I just try to NOT generalize.

Thank you re my husband. The struggle is painful, for sure. I’m sorry to hear that a supposedly safe place on FB is not so safe. This labeling of people as sexist or racist or whatever if they disagree with you is pernicious and dangerous.

A dear friend here on LT, RichardDerus (who hasn’t visited much in recent years), and I had many disagreements over books but we ATD – agreed to disagree. That tolerance and acceptance, that lack of hysterical neediness cutting off discussion because somebody doesn't "toe the line", needs to extend to discussions of these things of importance and pain.

I agree that the destruction of statues by enraged individuals is wrong. Whatever laws they break, they need to be prosecuted for. I’m not in favor of anarchy. And the lack of moral leadership from Washington is pretty amazing. I’m reading The Last Anniversary, a gem of a book by Liane Moriarty, and I had written down this quote for a subsequent book review: The silence is like a sound: a hollow, shrieking sound. It applies to what’s coming out of Washington.

>23 Familyhistorian: Thank you, Meg. Your support is so appreciated, and the feeling of helplessness shared.

>24 msf59: Good morning, Mark! Eights just make me feel good. *smile* I hope you had a lovely mini-vacation. Sorry about work and weather.

26m.belljackson
Aug 21, 2017, 9:55am Top

>25 karenmarie:

Thank you for all your balanced responses!

I think you would like online > Appalachian treks: The Limestone Cove Tragedy.
The history is sound and the Comments include some eye-openers.

My brother, David, is named for Dr. David Bell - my Grandfather lived with his family
in Unicoi, Tennessee, until moving to Oak Park, Illinois. There, he painted houses for FLW
and my Grandma Bell's doctor was Ernest Hemingway's Father.

27harrygbutler
Aug 21, 2017, 12:30pm Top

Hi, Karen! I hope you're having a good Monday. All is pretty quiet here. I refilled the feeders this a.m., and we've had quite a few visitors since, but nothing unusual. I was treated to the sight of a mourning dove on the shepherd's hook that holds one of the tube feeders; usually they're on the ground or perched on a fence or wire, so this was unusual.

28karenmarie
Aug 21, 2017, 1:17pm Top

>26 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! You're welcome. This is all very painful, but I'm trying really hard.

I'll check them out.

And exciting to be several steps removed from Hemmingway!

>27 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! Yes I am. Went over to visit Louise, am checking online re the eclipse at nasa.gov, have my pinhole viewer and have been chatting with my sister.

Major excitement at Louise's this morning! I saw a female summer tanager. I had a good view of her through Louise's binoculars for upwards of a minute or so. Not my picture, but this is what she looked like:

29johnsimpson
Aug 21, 2017, 4:54pm Top

Hi Karen, happy new thread my dear and a great photo you posted. I am pleased with your post 13 as it must be hard for your husband at this time. While I cannot comment and as I do not live in America it would be wrong of me to say anything from one side or the other. While this is not really similar, I had some conflict during the miners strike of 1984/85 when after 47 weeks on strike I went back to work. Some people understood why I did what I did and others called me a scab, 33 years on some people have barely spoken to me other than still calling me a scab and others have laid it to rest and we are fine. I am neither proud nor ashamed of what I did, it was just something at the time that had to be decided upon.

I would hate to be in your husbands position especially not knowing how to separate things, hope he can find a way around his difficulties my dear and we send love and hugs to both of you.

I hope I have made some sense and my little bit has not sown any confusion but it is the only thing I can get near to correlating to.

30nittnut
Aug 21, 2017, 4:58pm Top

We got rain! Right in the middle of everything. I drove the kids south toward Asheboro and we parked in a church parking lot and got a good look. It was fun. The tanager is lovely. I haven't seen one of those in my yard yet.

31ffortsa
Aug 21, 2017, 7:46pm Top

I"m quite moved by your husband's struggle. I don't know that it would help to know, but most of the statues under discussion (or attack) were erected during the Jim Crow era, long after the war itself. As such they were set up as overt intimidation. There's nothing particularly sacred about a statue in any case, except that they are familiar and we often forget the reasons they were erected.

Maybe we should think of it this way. Many Germans fought in WWII because it was their duty to their country, but a statue of the German war dead in the U.S. might not be a good idea, even though we are friends with Germany now.

32karenmarie
Aug 21, 2017, 9:16pm Top

>29 johnsimpson: Hallo John! Thank you, and thank you for sharing the story of when you were on strike. A horrible situation to be in, I am sure, and you did what was right for you.

I do hope my husband can find his way through this. Today was the excitement of the eclipse, taking his mind off Other Things, and I’m hoping that he will never be as despondent and distraught about it as he was Saturday and Sunday.

Your sharing is helpful and I feel that I understand. No confusion created, I assure you.

Sending love and hugs back to you and Karen.

>30 nittnut: No! Rain? Yikes. I am glad you got a good look, Jenn. I didn’t, perhaps because I was expecting more than 93% could deliver. Darker? Eerie? A bit. I suppose I should have ordered glasses, but oh well.

The worst thing was wanting to look directly at the sun and knowing I couldn’t. Sheer will kept me from peeking over the top of the roof.

The tanager was a joy. Louise wasn’t in the room, but I had her binoculars and honed in on the bird, paid strict attention to the markings, then confirmed the sighting in the Peterson Guide.

>31 ffortsa: Hi Judy! I did not know that about the statues. Thank you! Overt intimidation rather than an honoring of military valour during the Jim Crow Era. I’ll have to bring it up when it seems appropriate. Not tonight though. We haven't talked about it all evening and I want to keep it that way. Husband needs a good night's sleep. *smile*

Good analogy. Soldiers are soldiers, and are either conscripted or coerced into fighting, whether they believe in it or not. If they run away they are stigmatized, if they fight and lose they are stigmatized.

My sister and I decided today to release Mom’s house back to the mortgage company. It’s on a reverse mortgage, we tried to sell it for 2.5 months with no success, even after dropping the price, and when I spoke to the agent today, she said that they could probably sell it for $640K. It’s listed for $675K and would have given sister and me perhaps $25K. Not chump change, but with no offers it’s a moot point. I reminded her that $640K would pay the fees and commission and the mortage company but not give any money to my sister and me, so thanks but no thanks. I’ve requested a Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure. The mortgage company told me it could take up to 4 months, and I told them that there weren’t funds to continue paying insurance and taxes in November. I was told to add that to the Letter of Intent, which I did. Then my lawyer had me write a second letter requesting them to expedite or we'd walk completely way. I’ll sign it, convert to PDF, and mail tomorrow morning. Sigh. It should all be done by the end of the year now.

33ffortsa
Aug 21, 2017, 11:24pm Top

>132 it's been a long haul with the house, and considering the costs, a wash to turn it back to the bank. Best to be done with it, I think.

34msf59
Aug 22, 2017, 6:51am Top

Morning, Karen. The rain and humidity are moving out and it should be really nice the rest of the week. Yah!

35karenmarie
Aug 22, 2017, 7:06am Top

Hi Mark! Always good news for you as you're out in it.

Our weather will be good from Thursday through Monday as the 90F/75F days/nights are supposed to be around 80F/62F-ish, a nice little break from the summer nastiness that is NC.

36harrygbutler
Aug 22, 2017, 7:12am Top

Good morning, Karen! Congrats on the summer tanager. No unusual birds showing around here right now, but I'm hopeful we'll get a few interesting visitors during the migration season.

37karenmarie
Aug 22, 2017, 7:59am Top

Hi Harry!

Thank you re the tanager. It was very exciting.

I'm hoping for some migrators, too, as we transition from my least favorite to my most favorite. This morning is foggy.

38SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 22, 2017, 1:23pm Top

I'm in!

39m.belljackson
Aug 22, 2017, 1:48pm Top

>31 ffortsa:

Good plan not to erect a German war statue while World War II Veterans and their descendants with good memories
of the sheer horror are still alive and still care...

... however many of us have German ancestry.

40m.belljackson
Aug 22, 2017, 1:55pm Top

>32 karenmarie:

Yesterday's paper had an article about the huge relief sculpture of three of the dixie leaders
carved into the side of a mountain.

Maybe instead of dynamiting or defacing the whole thing, sculptors could add 3 more?

Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and President Obama...

(Some might propose General William Tecumseh Sherman, but that might precipitate another Civil War!)

41karenmarie
Aug 23, 2017, 7:49am Top

>38 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry!

>39 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne - another way of looking at the idea that we are not our ancestors. I wonder what kind of crisis or cause would cause me to risk bodily/economic harm?

>40 m.belljackson: I just read about the Stone Mountain relief. It's a State Park, unfortunately, and a flashpoint.

This is an over-simplification, but I wouldn't want to sully Lincoln, King, and Obama by putting them next to men who, even if by remote chance the apologists were right and they were only defending their homes/states, ended up defending slavery.

Strangeness that could have caused another rift with sister avoided - she called last night to say that now that Mom's house is off the market, people are calling her house because she (foolishly, IMO, but it was sometime late last year) linked her name and home phone number somewhere somehow on Zillow. Her new-dollar-signs-in-eyes-again husband called her last night to say he was meeting a man at the house today (!) and that the man wanted to know what the payoff was.

She and I had a pretty heated discussion about it, she in her car going to her daughter's and me going home from dinner with a friend, although I think we were both violently agreeing that we were Done with the House. We left it that I would email the lawyer to see what he thought and possibly call the mortgage company.

This morning when I got up, before I looked at my cell phone, I had decided to NOT do either of those and either lie to sister or possibly precipitate a rift by telling her I didn't want to do it and as executor had that right. Besides which, by turning in the Letter of Intent to the mortgage company, it might already have been out of my hands anyway.

Imagine my surprise and happiness when I checked my cell phone and saw this message:
I told Mike not to meet that man nor to follow up on any calls. Tere (a friend of our mom's) has gotten five calls and wants me to get the listing agent to check their numbers. I don't even know what that means. It's a shark frenzy and I'm willing to just drop it. No one is interested in helping anyone but themselves. Let the house go. I'm sorry I brought it up.
I'm going to take her at her word. I have enough on my plate.

At this point I think I'm still going to be helping Louise take her husband to the memory care unit of one of the local assisted living facilities this morning. I hope it's the case - they've put her off for two weeks and she's going crazy.

42SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 23, 2017, 9:10am Top

Yay! I love it when annoying family members fall into place.

43m.belljackson
Aug 23, 2017, 10:49am Top

>41 karenmarie:

Yes, you are right about not 'adding' the three >

my first thought (photo was pretty hazy)
was that the one in front resembled Lincoln,

second thought was to hire
a night sculptor to "alter" the faces to become the Three New Guys.

Third thought:

it's likely too late for most of the remaining monuments,
but, channeling some of those with kinder thoughts than mine,

the sculptor (as brave as you to go to the Free Speech protest)
who set up the Young Girl facing The Bull on Wall Street
would make an intriguing alternative approach.

44harrygbutler
Aug 23, 2017, 11:00am Top

Hi, Karen! I hope you have an enjoyable Wednesday.

45FAMeulstee
Aug 23, 2017, 2:32pm Top

>41 karenmarie: Sorry your sister brought up your Mom's house again, Karen, glad to read she dropped it again.
I hope Louise's husband did go to the care facility today.

46karenmarie
Aug 23, 2017, 4:04pm Top

>42 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! I’m famous for second guessing myself and beating myself up, but Will Not Do It This Time. Sister was annoying until the e-mail, BiL is a permanent thorn in my side and beyond annoying. I just haven’t definitely told my sister that if I never see him again in this lifetime I’ll be happy.

>43 m.belljackson: All good thoughts, Marianne, although the first is vague, the second is against the law, the third definitely a good alternative approach.

>44 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! It’s been busy, just got home about 45 minutes ago after taking Harold to the Memory Unit (yay!) and having Louise buy me lunch. I then went into town to run 4 errands, talked with daughter for about half an hour, and am now decompressing.

>45 FAMeulstee: Hi Anita! Me too, and me too! She’s taking care of her grandson today so don’t know how she’s doing. She might call or text when she gets him down for a nap (they’re 3 hours behind us in CA).

Yes, we left Harold at Chatham Ridge. Louise held it together admirably, wrote checks, signed forms, we sat with Harold for a bit and then it was time for them to have lunch and they got busy and we left. I went back with her after lunch to her house for a while, and then ran errands.

I’m going to try to read for a bit before husband gets home – am still really enjoying The Last Anniversary by Liane Moriarty. There are thunder rumbles south of us, might get some rain/storms. That's what will cool us off for the next several days so Bring It On!

47johnsimpson
Aug 23, 2017, 5:08pm Top

Hi Karen, we had a really heavy rain burst this morning with thunder and lightening, it lasted just over an hour and caused some flash flooding in different parts of Yorkshire and then two hours later the sun was out and it was quite warm. Hope you are having a good day my dear, sending love and hugs.

48karenmarie
Aug 23, 2017, 5:57pm Top

Hi John! Wow, an hour! I really do love 'weather'. Ours never materialized - rumbles to the south. Now there is blue sky mixed with the clouds.

I am having a good day, John, thank you, and am sending love and hugs to you and Karen.

49karenmarie
Edited: Aug 23, 2017, 6:00pm Top

The Last Anniversary by Liane Moriarty
8/17/17 to 8/23/17





The description from Amazon:

Sophie Honeywell always wondered if Thomas Gordon was the one who got away. He was the perfect boyfriend, but on the day he was going to propose, she broke his heart. A year later he married his travel agent, while Sophie has been mortifyingly single ever since. Now Thomas is back in her life because Sophie has unexpectedly inherited his aunt Connie's house on Scribbly Gum Island—home of the famously unsolved Munro Baby mystery.

Sophie moves onto the island and begins a new life as part of an unconventional family, where it seems everyone has a secret. Grace, a beautiful young mother, is feverishly planning a shocking escape from her perfect life. Margie, a frumpy housewife, has made a pact with a stranger, while dreamy Aunt Rose wonders if maybe it's about time she started making her own decisions.

As Sophie's life becomes increasingly complicated, she discovers that sometimes you have to stop waiting around—and come up with your own fairy-tale ending.


Liane Moriarty writes such emotional truths that I just had to give this book 4.5 – “Stunning” in my rating system. Each character is delineated with love, even the prickly ones. I found myself needing to know the truth behind the Munro Baby Mystery, which was satisfied. I also had a desire for the Marble Cake Recipe, which was thwarted.

At first I wished for a genealogical chart to keep all the characters straight, because there are five living generations, and it actually took about halfway through the book for that aspect to gel for me. But the two main stories, those of Grace and Sophie, immediately began to pull me in. Sophie wants a baby and her biological clock is ticking ominously, Grace is a new mother who doesn’t feel anything for her new son Jake.

Other stories, those of Laura and Margie, Thomas and Veronica, even Connie and Rose, are deftly portrayed and vivid. Interestingly, Enigma the Munro Baby lives up to her name, a shadowy, ephemeral person dull in comparison to her vibrant and flawed friends and relatives.

Few of the men in this book come through unscathed. There is delicious bitchiness in this that is not vicious, but resigned. Each woman involved with one of these men ends up being stronger by the end, either with him or without him.

The ending is upbeat without being sappy, joyous and hopeful.

50msf59
Aug 24, 2017, 6:40am Top

Morning, Karen! Sweet Thursday! Good review of The Last Anniversary. I finished Magpie Murders. If you are looking for a clever, cracklin' good story, give this one a go.

51karenmarie
Aug 24, 2017, 8:07am Top

Good morning, Mark! Thank you. Unless I get exceptionally weak, I'm going to hold out for Magpie Murders for Christmas.

House finches have emptied the huge feeder on the front porch, hummingbirds are vying for food, right now it's the males.

52harrygbutler
Aug 24, 2017, 12:04pm Top

Hi, Karen! Enjoy your Thursday! I'm refilling feeders fairly often.

53streamsong
Aug 24, 2017, 12:20pm Top

Last night my son told me he was mugged in a park near his San Francisco apartment.

My son is young, fit, (black belts in several martial arts) and is working on his PhD in psychology. His reaction was pretty much the same as your husband's.

I cried when he got off the phone.

He's going to redouble efforts to find a place outside of the city. He says his apartment is in a secure building, but there are lots of homeless people in the park. He said he always felt that the 'normal precautions' would see him through in the park. They didn't.

54SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 24, 2017, 12:40pm Top

>53 streamsong: Holy cow! Is he unharmed? That's terrible.

55nittnut
Aug 24, 2017, 12:47pm Top

>53 streamsong: How awful for your son! I hope he's not hurt physically. I know he's probably feeling very unsafe and shaken. I wish him all the luck finding a place outside the city.

Hi Karen, my you've had a full week. I am sure you are looking forward to a few quiet days, if you can get them. :) I'm glad you and your sister are in agreement about letting the house go. It's just too bad it didn't sell.
My feeders are emptying rather quickly this week and I'm running out of bird seed. I've got to go stock up.

56streamsong
Aug 24, 2017, 12:54pm Top

>54 SomeGuyInVirginia: >55 nittnut: Sorry, i should have made that clear that he's physically unharmed.

He's shaken up.

I'm shaken up.

I now have a much clearer understanding of Karen's husband's POV.

57ffortsa
Edited: Aug 24, 2017, 1:00pm Top

>53 streamsong: Ouch. Sorry to hear about your son's attack. This world is becoming a lot less secure these days.

>39 m.belljackson: I've been thinking about this issue too, partly spurred by a move to remove the statue of Columbus from Columbus Circle here in New York. That might please Native Americans and Caribbeans, of course. But it points up what Jim calls the slippery slope. And there's been a lot of push-back about not erasing history, lest we forget the bad parts as well as the good.

I certainly wouldn't object to a statue representing all the German immigrants who added to the mix of hard-working, ambitious, reputable people that built this country. My original thought was a little too general - let's say I wouldn't like to see a statue of Goebbels, but wouldn't mind one of Goethe. And I think that some of the Civil War leaders were men of worth, whatever their relationship to the issue of slavery. They are important to our understanding of our own history.

But I can also see how a statue of a Confederate general in front of a courthouse might be inappropriate. I don't doubt that there would be controversy in the south if statue of Lincoln or Sherman(!) were substituted. So it would be good to find a way to recognize the people who were active in our history without rubbing anyone's nose in it. A little difficult to navigate.

And this is where I think history has to be taught in a better way in schools, so we can all own our country's history without being blamed for it. Identity politics has become more disruptive than supportive in many instances, and we need to get past it without forgetting the variety of our origins.

>41 karenmarie: I'm glad your sister is of the same mindset as you. If it were me, and it was unlikely that the marginal purchase value would make a material difference, it's best to just be done with it.

My mother didn't have a reverse mortgage, but we didn't hold out for any specific price when we sold it. It all went to her account when she moved to her continuous care apartment, and that freed us to pay attention to her and not real estate. You've spent a great deal of energy disposing and distributing your mother's effects, and sometimes it's just good to have things OVER.

58karenmarie
Aug 24, 2017, 4:28pm Top

>52 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! Just filled the front porch feeder and there’s a beautiful male Goldfinch on it. They are worth the work!

>53 streamsong: Janet, I am so, so sorry. I would have hoped he never experienced anything like that ever, much less when he’s so young. It’s terrible when our trust and feeling of personal safety are shattered. Hang in there.

>54 SomeGuyInVirginia: It is terrible, Larry. Especially coming just after what I wrote about my husband's experience and feelings above.

>55 nittnut: Hi Jenn. Yes, busy. Productive, but I long for those days in a row with nothing scheduled. Today was going to the bank where we have our equity line and paying it off in full – we’re refinancing our home and this saves time and fees by not having a subordinate lien against the house. The banker was very helpful, and what he gave me seems to be satisfying the mortgage company!

Nothing from my sister today. I’ve mentioned other times that I don’t always know which sister I’ll get on the phone or text with, so am hoping that the sister who said to let it go yesterday will still be saying the same thing the rest of this week. Sigh.

We buy 50 pounds of black oil sunflower seed at a time and put it in a metal trash can in the garage. Otherwise, the dratted raccoons get to it.

>56 streamsong: I’m so glad he’s physically unharmed, Janet, but of course the psychological and emotional toll are still there. Sending hugs to both of you.

I’m sad that you can now share my husband’s POV. Ignorance would have been bliss.

>57 ffortsa: Everything you said is true, Judy, about identify politics, and history. Trying to keep everybody happy in our pluralistic society will never happen, but becoming aware of egregious attempts at intimidation and power politics are important and steps taken to acknowledge old motives and call out the people who still think that a white United States is right, good, and viable. It is not. It has never been, and it should never be.

My husband and I are in the fortunate position that some money, which is all we’d get from a reasonable sale of Mom’s house, is not necessary or needed for our survival. My sister and her husband could really, really, use any money we could get, but their crises can't drive what I do. They have been the proverbial grasshoppers their entire married life, never saving anything in addition to BiL being a poor businessman even if he was a good project manager and worker. They lost three businesses. Their lives are constant drama and I remember saying a couple of months ago that I was finally tired of it. They got their second bath remodeled and their carpets up and original hardwood floors refinished with two lawsuit settlements in the last 3 years which helps the value of their house, but have NO savings and are both 61 years old. Anything from Mom's house, even if I could get it without dealing with a scam artist or shyster, or out-of-pocket expense would be a drop in the bucket.

If my mother had not had a reverse mortgage we could have sold it quickly and still made money, but Mom did what she needed to do for herself, not to give us windfalls when she passed away. Oh yes, I really, really want this to be done. I’m hoping the end of the year.

59johnsimpson
Aug 24, 2017, 4:47pm Top

Hi Karen, it seems as if you are like me, constantly filling up the bird feeders. We have had Goldfinch activity over the last few days which is pleasing as we thought they had disappeared. By moving the water dish holder slightly we have got rid of the Wood Pigeons which decimated the feeders not giving the other birds a chance to eat. The main feeder has Chaffinches, Sparrows and the Robin has come back and we now have either House Martins or Swallows about but only on a morning. My feeders in the back garden attract various Tits and Robins. I will be stocking up on seed for the winter months.

Hope all is well with you and your husband is ok dear friend and we both send love and hugs.

60majleavy
Aug 24, 2017, 8:56pm Top

>57 ffortsa: >58 karenmarie: Deep conversation; troubling issues.

I had a conversation with my students the other day, about Birth of a Nation, since a number of them had attended D.W. Griffith Middle School. They were appalled by the notion of a film celebrating the KKK, but no one felt like the school should have a name change - in part at least because they're all Chicanx, and don't feel that it affects them.

Identity politics has played a vital role, and can continue to do so, I think, but the time comes when common cause has to be found - no group on its own can overturn the structures that oppress or marginalize multiple groups. IMO, anyway.

>53 streamsong: Very sorry to hear about your son.

61msf59
Aug 25, 2017, 6:31am Top

Morning, Karen. Happy Friday! Glad you are getting lots of bird activity at the feeders. By the time I get home from work, I catch the tail end of it but it definitely looks like the hummingbirds have been busy.

62jessibud2
Aug 25, 2017, 7:32am Top

>60 majleavy: - Wow, what a timely comment. Right here in my province of Ontario, Canada, there is a conversation and a controversy in the news today! One of the teachers' federations has put forward a motion to change the names of all the schools in the province that bear the name of Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada's first Prime Minister. They are saying that he was instrumental in establishing and perpetuating the residential school system that so horribly damaged Indigenous youth and robbed them of their language and heritage, going back generations. Among the comments and feedback being heard, though, was one that really resonated and that was that by doing so, it is tantamount to erasing* history. If the school names are changed, what will future generations learn? Better to change the curriculum, to teach the real history, discuss and analyze and understand it and its impact, rather than simply try to erase it and pretend it didn't happen. One person even made the reference to what is going on in the States right now and asked if we were trying to do what the Americans were doing. I have to agree that, if it were up to me, I'd go for the curriculum option. I have said this before, in a few posts, but it all goes back to that quote by Santayana about how, if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. We can't just erase it, we just have to give it its proper context and learn from it.

63SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 25, 2017, 9:17am Top

>56 streamsong: >58 karenmarie: I'm so sorry for both of your loved ones. It's such an emotionally devastating experience and I know they appreciate your support.

I have some kind of bug and will probably spend the weekend home, so I'm on track to finish as many as three books this weekend! YAY!

64harrygbutler
Aug 25, 2017, 10:10am Top

Good morning, Karen! It's a beautiful day here, with a projected high in the mid-70s. The birds are abundant, though I haven't yet seen the woodpecker that came visiting yesterday.

65karenmarie
Edited: Aug 25, 2017, 12:48pm Top

>59 johnsimpson: Hi John! I am definitely Bird Feeder Mom. This morning will be the 4 tube feeders in the back – 3 with black oil sunflower and one with wild bird seed. And I need to order the suet that the birds like – we bought some at a local garden shop and the birds are voting with their feet. Aren’t the birds a joy?

We’re doing well – see below. Sending love and hugs to you and Karen.

>60 majleavy: Hi Michael. Uncomfortable issues, too. I am appalled students wouldn’t know that Birth of a Nation was about the KKK, but that’s only one of many, many things that the younger generations just don’t seem to know about. I’ll anticipate Shelley’s message below and say that I don’t think school names should be changed because they can lead to teaching moments. However, statues are a different matter and I think they should be placed in teachable environments too.

Common cause is a good goal, yet I know from personal experience that it is harder and harder to find. I honestly think the Internet is partly to blame because it’s so much easier now to find a group of like-minded people and our mindset isn’t limited any more to local resources. So we can chat here on LT from all over the US, Canada, Malaysia, Switzerland, the Netherlands, England, Scotland, etc. about books and such, but hate groups and supremacist groups can also connect and chat. Pandora’s Box has been opened in that respect.

As long as the idiot and party in power right now don’t give our structures, checks and balances, freedoms, and rights away, we’ll be fine. But right now everything is under attack – things that are in the news and the things they’re doing behind closed doors. It scares the crap out of me.

>61 msf59: Good morning, Mark! I must admit that being able to just glance over during the day to my sunflower feeder and hummingbird feeder is wonderful.

>62 jessibud2: Hi Shelley. I think if we had a school named after Benedict Arnold or David Duke I’d consider getting it changed, I don’t have the emotional knowledge of Sir John MacDonald to know what makes sense there.

>63 SomeGuyInVirginia: Thanks, Larry. Sorry you’ve got a bug. I’ve always said I like to be sick enough to stay home but not too sick to read – sounds like you’re in that zone! Don’t get worse, and have fun reading.

>64 harrygbutler: Hi Harry. Glad you’re having good weather and lots of birds. Ooh, woodpecker. I love seeing ‘em. We’re in the 80s, a bit muggy but not too bad.

Exciting news! Daughter’s home. She brought a late birthday present (from February) for her dad – an LL Bean short-sleeved plaid shirt, which he’s already wearing to work today, and for me, a Spotting Scope! I’m so excited – it came with its own little cute tripod and a smartphone mount. It works well with the feeder on the front porch on the little tripod, and I have a full-sized tripod (that currently needs new rubber feet) that I know it will work well with for the feeding station in the back.

Yay. You could have knocked me over with a feather. And, the little rat asked me for a book list to keep me off the scent.

She’ll be with us until Monday, and it’s good to have her home. This morning we went out to get my Senior Pass good for free lifetime pass for entrance or standard amenity fees at BLM, FWS, NPS, Reclamation, USDA-FS, and USACE sites. I tried to get one last week, but they’d run out. Then we went to breakfast, food shopping, and now home, and relaxing. Got my scope set up on the baby tripod…..

66jessibud2
Aug 25, 2017, 2:35pm Top

>65 karenmarie: - It is indeed a slippery slope and still, I think the full spectrum of education, expanding the curriculum to teach all sides of the story, not just selective history, is the only true resolution. Here is an article printed in today's paper about our situation:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wynne-john-a-mcdonald-schools-1.4261433

Still lots of opinions and no consensus

67thornton37814
Aug 25, 2017, 3:18pm Top

I've enjoyed the discussion about Confederate memorials, Southern Unionists, etc. I don't have a lot to add to the discussion which has not been said. I had Southern Confederates and Southern Unionists in my families. I had a few slaveholders, but far more of my Southern ancestors did not own them. My one question now is "What practices in which we are engaged today will embarrass our descendants in 150 years?"

68karenmarie
Aug 25, 2017, 4:52pm Top

>66 jessibud2: Thank you for sharing that article, Shelley, it was very interesting. I especially liked the phrase "political correctness on steroids."

My thoughts are getting clearer.

I don't think one needs to have statues (or provocatively-named schools) in order to have meaningful, ongoing, complete discussions of history. The more I think about it, the more I think that it's an invalid argument to keep things up and visible in government-run spaces that represent bad things so they can be used to teach that they are bad. Especially with the statues, down here in the US, they were put up to intimidate and scare people. You don't need a statue standing honoring men who supported slavery to remain standing in order to have meaningful discussions about that man and/or the Civil War. Arguments to keep them up are not made with the best interests of all Americans at heart.

Those statues should not be in public government run/owned places - government buildings, public parks, schools. They can be placed in settings where they are part of a discussion of history. People can choose to go to those places, not have them staring them in the face when they go to school or to use government services where they cannot be avoided. And if people tarred by the legacy of slavery wouldn't want to go to places where they are, that's fine. And if I then chose to not go to a place where one of those statues was housed, that's fine too.

>67 thornton37814: Hi Lori! Thank you. Lots of good things being said here, by our intelligent and thoughtful LTers.

Your question is a good one, Lori. I'll have to give it some thought - if I was doing genealogical research about Karen, my great-umpteenth grandmother, what would I find, and would it humiliate or embarrass me or make me ashamed of her?

69m.belljackson
Edited: Aug 25, 2017, 7:40pm Top

>62 jessibud2:

Several years ago in Madison, Wisconsin, school names were changed to make history more current and local.

Marquette Middle School was updated to O'Keeffe.

Georgia was born in nearby Sun Prairie while the good French Father canoed in from up north
in New France on his way to the Mississippi..

When I moved from teaching 6th to teaching 4th with its focus on State history,
we learned about both of them with a project called Wisconsin Historical People.

This included a trip to the birthplace in Sun Prairie and to Marquette and Joliet's Portage.

While the school name changes worked out okay
(Madison is still dealing with a school named after Falk, who was a KKK member),

I REALLY would not like my ancient Elementary School in Oak Park, Illinois,
to be anything except (Washington) Irving School. So far no race to change that fine tradition!

70SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 25, 2017, 9:38pm Top

I'm getting my hair cut at 8:30 tomorrow. I must be mad. I feel better and would kind of like to catch Atomic Blonde at the Community Theater in Woodstock. It's just a small, old movie theater but I have so many good memories of watching feelms there. But to do that I'd need to drive out to the valley, so I don't know if I'll get to three books or not. I do want to wrap up The Priest by Thomas Disch and if I read The Song of Solomon that's the last book for the Bible for me.

I can't, so far, recommend The Priest. It's weird and icky but maybe it comes together later. I absolutely loved Disch's The M.D. and The Businessman. How have you liked the Bible?

OK, I'm going to take The Priest to bed.

71Donna828
Aug 25, 2017, 10:21pm Top

Karen, you are addressing some heavy topics here. I'm so sorry your husband is having a traumatic experience revived through recent events. I surely don't know what the answer is. I am just so sad that our country is finding more and more ways to become divisive. We have a confederate statue in our nearby National Cemetery. No one seems to have a problem with it however because it is in the section with Southern soldiers who died in the Civil War.

How cool that your daughter surprised you with such a lovely gift. I am excited to have finally enticed hummingbirds to my feeder after having it up all summer. I was sitting on the patio reading this afternoon but kept getting distracted with the territorial wars going on about ten feet away from me!

72LizzieD
Aug 25, 2017, 11:27pm Top

Dear Karen, 71 messages behind??? There's no way that I can catch up. I'll just add to your husband's disconnect about monuments to Confederates my 95 year-old mother's. The first thing she remembers about coming to our town in 1926 or -7 is seeing the Confederate soldier (nameless but still there) standing in front of the court house. I would willingly put it in a museum in the 1901 section, which is when it was erected. She can't quite get her normal empathy for other folks going. Meanwhile, I can only imagine the anticipation of justice to be meted out to a black or native American woman approaching the glorification of the Old South in that court house for 116 years.
Enjoy your daughter! Hooray for the gifts!

73Familyhistorian
Aug 26, 2017, 3:14am Top

>62 jessibud2: I couldn't believe that news story about John A. MacDonald, Shelley. He was far from perfect but really a man of his times and I think we would consider all of them politically incorrect these days.

>65 karenmarie: John A. MacDonald is kind of equivalent to your Abraham Lincoln, Karen. He was one of the Fathers of Confederation. MacDonald and Lincoln were contemporaries and adversaries when it came to Canada, the Civil War (much Confederate plotting happened on the Canadian side of the border) and Manifest Destiny. Blood and Daring: How Canada Fought the American Civil War and Forged a Nation is a very interesting book about this era.

74msf59
Aug 26, 2017, 7:02am Top

Morning, Karen. Happy Saturday. Finally wrapping up my long work week. Fortunately my books kept me company the whole time and the weather was perfect.

Enjoy your day!

75majleavy
Aug 26, 2017, 9:10am Top

>62 jessibud2: >65 karenmarie: et seq
The emerging notion here seems to be that context is key, which seems quite on point to me. I feel like historical sites must be marked, with whatever combination of criticism and celebration is proper (as if that were easy to determine! The only thing for sure is that if anyone agrees with all of it, it's probably unbalanced); but, as Shelley says, public parks are a different matter. As for school names, oh my. As Karen says, some names are out of bounds, but those that point to history - like Griffith in a city built on the industry to which he was an essential contributor - probably should remain and be used as "teachable moments"

>70 SomeGuyInVirginia: Tom Disch's The M.D.! Just about the creepiest book I ever read - there's one image that has never stopped haunting me since the I first read it 25 years ago. (It's funny: I knew that I read the book "long ago," but when I checked the date I thought, "1992? That's nothin'." Growing old *sigh*.)

76karenmarie
Aug 26, 2017, 9:37am Top

>69 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! School names are interesting. I went to Juan Cabrillo Elementary and Peter Burnett Elementary School, and then the more-pleasing-to-a-book-lover Richard Henry Dana Junior High School, and Hawthorne High School, the school being named for the town, which was named for Nathaniel Hawthorne.

Juan Cabrillo was a conquistadore, exploiting Native Americans in Guatemala.

Peter Burnett argued for the exclusion of blacks from California when it became a state, and was the first governor to resign.

>70 SomeGuyInVirginia: Good morning, Larry! I hope you’re recovering quickly. Haircuts and movies do eat into reading and recuperation time, but cool!

Sorry The Priest isn’t a recommendable book, if it were me I’d abandon it. *smile*

As regarding your question How have you liked the Bible? let me preface it by saying here, as I have said on the group read thread, that I am not Christian and so do not bring Jewish or Christian faith into the picture. Based on my readings, I would consider myself a Liberal Theist, so do believe in God. And etc.

I’m still in the Old Testament, on schedule, reading Lamentations. I have found the Bible powerful, occasionally lyrical, confusing, sad, frequently boring, and repetitious. I’m glad I’m reading it and am firmly in the saddle to get it completely read by the end of the year.

I hope you and The Priest had a good night.

>71 Donna828: Hi Donna. It’s been a good experience sharing here and having people share with me. I don’t think I’d have problems with a statue in a cemetary, even a National Cemetary.

Yay hummingbirds! They are so loud, aren’t they, with their buzzing wings and chittering? I can see them now on one of my two feeders, drinking and fighting with each other.

I know I mentioned wanting a scope, probably for Christmas, and once daughter heard ‘Christmas’ noises she knew I wouldn’t buy it for myself in the meantime.

>72 LizzieD: This thread has really taken off, Peggy. I can certainly understanding drawing a line in the sand, but appreciate your comments.

I wouldn’t expect your 95-year old mother to change the thinking of a lifetime. People are a product of their times, fortunately and unfortunately.

We do need to place the last vestiges of Confederacy worship into ‘teachable’ environments if we are to move ahead as a pluralistic, powerful, and good society, IMO.

Wow, her first memory of your town. And of course little or no justice was to be had for most blacks and Native Americans in the South. Or anybody, really, who wasn’t white and Christian.

It’s good having daughter here. Of course I’m cooking more, and yesterday I made a Buttermilk Pound Cake in addition to dinner. Tonight we’re eating out, but I’ll have to figure out something for tomorrow night. And yay gifts, indeed.

>73 Familyhistorian: That’s so true, Meg – they were men of their times and all politically incorrect now. We need to take the good they did, obviously defined as ‘good’ now, but try to understand it all and not hide or whitewash it.
I’ve added Blood and Daring to my wishlist.

>74 msf59: Good morning, Mark! I’m glad you had a good weather-and-book work week, and yay for days off.

>75 majleavy: Hi Michael. Context is key - perfect! Teachable moments too.

Just finished making thick-cut bacon and homemade buttermilk waffles with real butter and maple syrup for the troops. We'll run normal errands this morning but not eat lunch out in anticipation of dinner. We'll be double celebrating my June birthday and daughter's August birthday at The Angus Barn in Raleigh NC. You must be properly hungry to really enjoy it!

We started watching Midsomer Murders last night and are really enjoying it.

And I picked up Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children and an enjoying it very much.

77Berly
Aug 26, 2017, 5:20pm Top

Hope you enjoy MPHforPC as much as I did. Loved what the photos added. Haven't seen the movie yet...not sure I want to. Happy reading!

78LizzieD
Aug 26, 2017, 11:17pm Top

>76 karenmarie: Karen, a note about my 95 year-old mother. I am awed at how much her thinking has changed over the past few years --- her intuitive understanding and empathy for other people is amazing. She has gone from unthinking racism (racists don't have to die, as we thought back in the 60s when we were anticipating "the revolution") to ungrudging appreciation of black women with whom she worked. Her defense of a gay young man in our church has been inspiring. I think that she'll eventually come around on the glorification of "Our Confederate Dead" too. I'm immensely grateful to have her with us!

79PaulCranswick
Aug 26, 2017, 11:27pm Top

Karen, I am loving the discussion here.

>78 LizzieD: Bravo to your mother, Peggy.

Have a lovely weekend. xx

80Familyhistorian
Aug 27, 2017, 3:24am Top

>76 karenmarie: Midsomer Murders is one of my favourite shows, Karen. In fact, I am watching it right now.

81karenmarie
Edited: Aug 27, 2017, 9:15am Top

>77 Berly: Hi Berly! I'm only on page 92. Daughter is visiting and reading isn't high on the list. It's got me hooked, though!

>78 LizzieD: Bravo for your mother from me, too, Peggy.

>79 PaulCranswick: Hi Paul. I am pleased with the response to my initial post about my husband's upset, anger, confusion, and beliefs.

>80 Familyhistorian: We watched two episodes last night Meg - still in the first season out of nineteen! - and are loving it. We might watch an episode or two today with daughter home, in addition to one or two tonight.

We had a wonderful time at Angus Barn last night. Good food, fun conversations, a very nice glass of Carménère.

And we are watching the devastation in Texas. I have friends in Baytown - east of Houston and north of Galveston. Yesterday afternoon the bayou had risen 3 feet with 11 feet to go before it got to the house. I'm more worried this morning now that I've seen some of the rainfall predictions.

82msf59
Aug 27, 2017, 9:34am Top

Morning, Karen. Happy Sunday. I am planning on taking a little bird hike this A.M. and see if I can drum up a little action.

Hooray for Miss Peregrine. I really enjoyed this one. The follow-up was decent too but I never did read the final one.

83karenmarie
Aug 27, 2017, 9:49am Top

Yay, Mark! I hope your hike is fun and successful.

84Ameise1
Aug 27, 2017, 10:16am Top

Belated happy new one, Karen. I hope doing better in the future. wishing you a wonderful Sunday.

85PawsforThought
Aug 27, 2017, 10:49am Top

Midsomer Murders is great. I've watched it every year since it started (it's always on in the summer here, and one of few things that draw massive TV audiences during summer).

86harrygbutler
Aug 27, 2017, 11:22am Top

Hi, Karen! Sounds like you've had quite an enjoyable weekend. And hurrah for the spotting scope -- what a thoughtful gift!

87karenmarie
Aug 27, 2017, 11:38am Top

>84 Ameise1: Thank you, Barbara!

>85 PawsforThought: I didn't even hear about it until friend Tamsie mentioned it recently, and we finished watching other things so started with it. It's great and I'm excited that we have 75 or so episodes left!!

>86 harrygbutler: Hi Harry. It was thoughtful, and I'm going to figure out the cell-phone attachment tomorrow or Tuesday. And today I should receive the tripod leg tips (rubber feet) to make my ancient-but-in-perfect-shape-except-for-rubber-feet tripod, given to me by my brother mid-1980s, perfect again. Then I can have the scope out all the time without worrying that the cats will knock it over. They do walk on every horizontal surface in the house except the kitchen counters!

88SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 27, 2017, 12:04pm Top

>81 karenmarie: Oh hell, even without flooding that means a lot of nasty critters on the loose. They're in my thoughts.

I know a lot of people in Texas and can't stay away from coverage of the storm although it's upsetting. It's horrific. So far everyone is safe because they're all north of Waco.

Yay for steaks with your daughter! How did the 'surprise' go?

>75 majleavy: Disch's The M.D.: A horror story is one of those books that kind of astonished me. It just kept on getting better and better, and Disch's style is so agreeable. The Priest was an unfocused mess, but the style was there and I did finish it.

89PawsforThought
Aug 27, 2017, 12:24pm Top

>87 karenmarie: It really is perfect - and you're so lucky to have all those episodes unwatched. (Though I've forgotten the plot of most episodes so have no problem re-watching when they pop up on TV.) I like that despite the brutal murders it's not a violent or gory show (some crime shows are really gory and I can't watch - or read - that kind of stuff). Also love how crazy the villagers often turn out to be.

90Familyhistorian
Aug 27, 2017, 5:57pm Top

Are there really 19 seasons of Midsummer Murders? I have probably been watching it for about that long. It is on tv here frequently but when it isn't I can get a fix on Acorn TV.

91PawsforThought
Aug 27, 2017, 6:55pm Top

>90 Familyhistorian: Yeah, 19 so far (more scheduled) but each series/season only has 4-8 episodes.

92karenmarie
Aug 27, 2017, 7:14pm Top

>88 SomeGuyInVirginia: It's like a train wreck - you have just got to keep checking in to see how bad it is. Allen texted about 4 hours ago that the water was now within ten inches of their door. Haven't heard from them since, not worried for their lives, exactly, just for the whole situation and the potential destruction of their home.

Daughter did actually surprise me Thursday night - I was expecting her home on Friday. I got home from a film series on Presidents at the library (Teddy Roosevelt), and her car was parked outside. I think I acted surprised enough, especially bemoaning the messy guest bedroom and no towels, so that she thought it a complete surprise.

Angus Barn is always special - daughter had salmon, husband had a NY Strip, and I was strong and didn't get the $60 lobster tail and 'settled' for medium rare prime rib. It was all wonderful, with good service. We had a lot of fun chatting and flirting amongst the three of us.

>89 PawsforThought: The part I like best, PawsForThought, is that Barnaby always slyly and not so slyly digs at Troy. I also love how much he loves his wife and daughter and always gets there in the end.

My friend Karen in Montana is still envious because I haven't finished The Chronicles of Narnia and still have that initial read to be excited about and read for the first time. I guess it's the same for Midsomer Murders.

>90 Familyhistorian: Hi Meg! Yup. 19. I love IMDB - Internet Movie Database and refer to it all the time.

>91 PawsforThought: Yes, short seasons, but each episode is upwards of an hour and a half (at least what we've seen so far!)

Speaking of which, off to watch some.

93PawsforThought
Edited: Aug 27, 2017, 7:32pm Top

>92 karenmarie: Sure, but they don't feel like it.

Barnaby always has some small digs at his sergeants (the ones after Troy, too). The next Inspector Barnaby does it too with his sergeants.

94Whisper1
Aug 27, 2017, 7:33pm Top

Just stopping by to say I am thinking of you.

95Whisper1
Aug 27, 2017, 7:34pm Top

>71 Donna828: I agree with your sentiments.

96karenmarie
Aug 28, 2017, 7:27am Top

>93 PawsforThought: Eep! Spoilers.....

>94 Whisper1: Hi Linda! Thank you. I hope you're doing well - off to visit your thread.

97msf59
Aug 28, 2017, 9:03am Top

Morning, Karen. I am enjoying a day off. Yah! Getting ready to head out for a bike/bird hike combo. Hoping the rain holds off.

Have a good day, my friend.

98harrygbutler
Aug 28, 2017, 9:35am Top

Hi, Karen! I'll be looking forward to seeing some photos with your new scope. Have a great Monday!

99ChelleBearss
Aug 28, 2017, 11:43am Top

Hi Karen! Hope you have a wonderful week!

100Berly
Aug 29, 2017, 5:37am Top

I have insomnia and I see you are up and posting everywhere. You too??

101msf59
Aug 29, 2017, 7:05am Top

Morning, Karen! Hooray for Magpie Murders! This will be worth it. Have your feeders been hopping? Mine were real quiet yesterday.

102karenmarie
Aug 29, 2017, 8:25am Top

>97 msf59: Hi Mark! I had a good day - last day of daughter's visit and I spent the time with her watching movies (Sense and Sensibility and RED). Then my annual physical, then back with daughter who left about 4:45, then about 45 minutes before my husband got home from work.

>98 harrygbutler: Thanks, Harry! I might spend more time figuring out the cell phone attachment today.

>99 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! Yesterday was annual physical exam, tomorrow is 6-month dental check, Thursday is annual eye exam. Today and Friday are not scheduled. Yay. I love when daughter visits, I miss my quiet time.

>100 Berly: Hi Berly! I was up for quite a while, then went back to sleep before you posted. Two insomniacs, for sure! Unfortunately I had to get up again a few minutes ago to let my cleaning ladies in - they're going to be here in 5-10 minutes.

>101 msf59: Hi again, Mark! This will end up being a bad week or so for books, I'm afraid.

Since Friday I've ordered

Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz - recommended by Mark
Glass Houses by Louise Penny - a series I follow, reminder from Chelle that the new one's out today
The Luminaries by Eleanor Catton - several people, floremolla, limelite, connie53 and others
The Killings at Badgers Drift by Caroline Graham - first book of the TV series Midsomer Murders is based on

The feeders have been a flurry of house finches and goldfinches the last several days, and hummingbirds on the sugar water feeders. I've been busy with daughter and husband since daughter came home Thursday night (she left yesterday) so haven't used the scope much.



103johnsimpson
Aug 29, 2017, 3:50pm Top

Hi Karen, hope you are having a lovely week my dear. Hope you had a nice time with your daughter visiting and that she got home safely. My back had eased but we did some gardening together yesterday and both did a little too much but after we both had relaxing showers and my patches were changed last night I am pretty good today and did my usual upstairs housework without any problems. Sending love and hugs to you and your husband dear friend from both of us.

104karenmarie
Edited: Aug 30, 2017, 9:07pm Top

>103 johnsimpson: Hi John! It's a bit busier than I'd like but productive. I'm glad you have the patches! Sending love and hugs to you both.

I just finished Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children and I knew I was in trouble on page 300 when I started writing a negative review in my head. My enjoyment on August 26th turned into "MEH". I'll post a review soon.

Onward to The Killings at Badger's Drift, the first book in the series that inspired Midsomer Murders.

I forgot to mention that we watched the first two sets of Roger Federer's match against Frances (sic) Tiafoe but turned into pumpkins about 10:30. He won in 5, fortunately. He sure didn't look like Roger in the first set and we were worried that his back was acting up again, but he pulled through.

105SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 30, 2017, 7:51pm Top

I felt the same way about the movie version of Miss Peregrine. I liked it at first then it was meh.

I don't know if I'm going to watch the movie The Glass Castle just because I was absolutely astonished by the book. But I am TOTALLY jazzed about IT!

106karenmarie
Aug 30, 2017, 9:11pm Top

Hi Larry!

Having finished the book and now giving it a probably 2 star rating, "Bad" in my review system, I'll enjoy writing a review in the next day or so.

Right now we just finished watching two emotionally intense episodes of House of Cards. I can't usually take more than two anymore.

I loved The Glass Castle but will probably pass on the movie so as to not be disappointed. I'm glad for Jeannette Walls, though, that her memoir will get a wider and different audience.

107Familyhistorian
Aug 31, 2017, 2:11am Top

Good for you acting all surprised at your daughter's visit. Sounds like it was enjoyable. I hope all your chores are over for the week and you have some time for reading.

108karenmarie
Aug 31, 2017, 4:36am Top

Hi Meg!

Husband told me on Wednesday that the surprise level was just right. :)

Today, after this blasted round of insomnia, will be taking friend Carl for an MRI. I must pick him up at 7:30, which means leaving the house about 7:05 or so. After that, a bit of a break, then my annual eye exam in the opposite direction. I need to get my nails done and will be in the town I get them done in, so might just stop after the eye doctor visit. This week has been annual physical, semi-annual dental visit, and annual eye exam week. For some reason it's all converged.

Tomorrow is totally unscheduled, yay!, and Saturday, besides normal errands, is a Friends of the Library meeting to work on the details about using the Square Payment Processing System (those little gadgets that go on cell phones to swipe or chip read credit cards/debit cards). First time we're attempting to use it at the Book Sale.

Next week only Monday and Friday don't have anything scheduled - but a Friends of the Library meeting, house refinance closing, and haircut are penciled in. Being retired is busy work!

Taking Carl places should end after this MRI as he's supposed to get his driving privileges back early September sometime. No other doctor appointments scheduled, a few Friends of the Library meeting scheduled in anticipation of the October book sale. Perhaps back to having days in a row of nothing scheduled. Nirvana.

109PawsforThought
Aug 31, 2017, 4:42am Top

>108 karenmarie: I generally get my annual check at the optician and the dentist in the same week, too (same day, if possible. Might as well get it all over with at once. I used to have one of my 6 month gyno checks around the same time too, but I don't need those anymore.

110karenmarie
Aug 31, 2017, 4:47am Top

>109 PawsforThought: I don't need the 'gyno' check exactly, but my GP does a bit of poking and prodding anyway. His nurse teased me about needing a colonoscopy this year, but I insisted that I got a 10-year warranty (my words, not theirs) in 2010, so nice try!

111PawsforThought
Aug 31, 2017, 4:52am Top

>110 karenmarie: I used to have to get them every 6 months, but after treatment started working and no negative changes had been spotted in the last 3 checks, I didn't have to go any more. I still have pap smear visits, but they're only once every 3 years.

112karenmarie
Aug 31, 2017, 5:32am Top

111 Congrats on 3 clean checks! And once every 3 years isn't so bad. It's all in a good cause, anyway - our health!

113PawsforThought
Aug 31, 2017, 6:07am Top

>111 PawsforThought: Thanks. Yeah, i don't mind going every 3 years - all women between 25 and 50 do. It's great to get some peace of mind.

114karenmarie
Edited: Aug 31, 2017, 6:11am Top

Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children by Ransom Riggs
8/23/17 to 8/30/17



, grudgingly

The description from Amazon:
A mysterious island. An abandoned orphanage. A strange collection of very curious photographs.

It all waits to be discovered in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children, an unforgettable novel that mixes fiction and photography in a thrilling reading experience. As our story opens, a horrific family tragedy sets sixteen-year-old Jacob journeying to a remote island off the coast of Wales, where he discovers the crumbling ruins of Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children. As Jacob explores its abandoned bedrooms and hallways, it becomes clear that the children were more than just peculiar. They may have been dangerous. They may have been quarantined on a deserted island for good reason. And somehow—impossible though it seems—they may still be alive.

A spine-tingling fantasy illustrated with haunting vintage photography, Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children will delight adults, teens, and anyone who relishes an adventure in the shadows.


I'm in the definite minority here, with my rating of 2.5 instead of the average rating of 3.7. But LT knows me pretty well, as the "Will You Like It?" feature says that I probably won't like it, prediction confidence "Very High". They're right.

Okay, so I’ve upgraded my initial rating from 2 stars to 2.5 stars. “Bad” to “Average”.

I started off really enjoying this book because of the photos and mystery. By page 300 I had the startling thought that I didn’t really like this book at all, and only finished it because by then I was heavily invested in it.

The story is not original, the coincidences are beyond belief, and the photos, while interesting and fun, are a gimmick and a distraction. The emotions are shallow.

Jacob Portman is an unattractive youth, sliding by on family wealth, cynical and not terribly interesting. His grandfather dies in his arms spouting Clues to His Mysterious Past, warns Jacob that he’s not safe. Jacob sees something peculiar, and starts a downward spiral that causes his parents to get him a shrink.

The characters are enticing yet not fleshed out, with the exception of Jacob himself. Since it’s told from his point of view, this is understandable and not deserving of any special accolade. I got confused among invisible boy, floating girl, fire girl, strong girl, bee boy, and etc., and the time warp, called “the loop” is vague and not explained in a way that made sense to me. I have a reasonable mind and have read any number of time warp, time travel, and worm-hole adventures, yet this one was so full of inconsistencies and leaps of faith that I did not buy into it.

Did I mention that the coincidences were beyond belief?

The most interesting part of the book was the interview with the author at the end, wherein he described people who collect these types of photographs. Many of these collectors have ten thousand or more, picked up a flea markets, garage sales, thrift shops, etc. It was eye-opening.

Did I mention that the coincidences were beyond belief?

I won’t be reading any of the sequels, no matter how many photos are in them. If I want photos of marginalized people, I’ll get a collection of Diane Arbus photographs.

The best thing about this book that I was able to add it to my Culls for the year.

115msf59
Aug 31, 2017, 6:39am Top

Morning, Karen. Sweet Thursday! Sorry, Miss Peregrine turned out to be unsatisfying. I liked the book but I do agree with you on some of your observations.

I hope you enjoyed your visit with your daughter and boo to the latest bout of insomnia.

116streamsong
Aug 31, 2017, 12:39pm Top

Hi Karen! I haven't read Miss Peregrine although the photographs are intriguing. Although I may pick it up some day, your review makes be believe that there are certainly better ones out there.

I haven't used the 'Will you like this book' feature for a while. I had checked it out with several of my very favorite five star reads and it predicted I wouldn't like them. So I rely more on my friends and LT friends for knowing whether I would like it or not.

But I was intrigued enough to go check it out for the handful of books I have planned for September. It predicted that I would like all of them except Little Women which I picked up at the library in anticipation of my book club reading March in October. We'll see how that checks out.

117harrygbutler
Aug 31, 2017, 1:02pm Top

Hi, Karen! I hope your Thursday is going well.

I often see piles of old photos at antique stores and flea markets. I once bought a few pictures of railroad equipment but left behind the slice-of-life pix. Occasionally some are of interest, but not enough to bring them home.

118FAMeulstee
Aug 31, 2017, 2:16pm Top

>108 karenmarie: Hooray for unscheduled days, Karen, good for reading!

>114 karenmarie: Sorry Miss Peregrine didn't work for you. I still want to read it, but I am not in a hurry.

119karenmarie
Aug 31, 2017, 4:59pm Top

>115 msf59: Hi Mark! Thanks. Yup, unsatisfying.

We had fun with daughter, only one teensy tense moment when her dad just had to give her a lecture about what she needs to do differently if she goes back to school. He was rather tone deaf, I’m afraid, and not at all clued in to her body language or voice. She was getting pissed off, so I redirected the conversation. She thanked me later. Other than that, it was all around good.

I don’t get nearly as hysterical about insomnia as I used to, since I know I can take a nap if I want or go to bed early or get up late the next day.

I’m pretty whupped right now between taking Carl for the MRI (5.5 hours) and my annual eye exam. It’s all good, but I do have to have laser surgery to remove the film that some cataract surgery patients get some time down the road after surgery. It’s been almost 3 years, just about the most common time. It’s noninvasive, outpatient, and is scheduled for Oct 20th. I’ve got to get someone to drive me there and I’m not supposed to drive for 24 hours after that. It’s all good, though, and other than that my eyes are doing quite well. I’m grateful.

>116 streamsong: Hi Janet! I realize I’m in the minority about Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children. I think there are better ones, but it just might suit you.

I don’t usually use the “Will you like this book” feature prior to actually reading a book – just use it after the fact to see how close it gets. Since I don’t know what their algorithm is, I don’t trust that it knows me as well as I know me. *smile*

Ah. You’ll have to report back. I started Little Women for book club a couple of years ago, but had to put it down. Ditto March. But except for Year of Wonders Geraldine Brooks isn’t my cup of tea.

>117 harrygbutler: Thursday has been busy. I was going to go to the second in the Presidential Film Series at the Library but am just going to stay home instead.

You’re right – not enough to bring them home.

>118 FAMeulstee: Hello Anita! Tomorrow is unscheduled away from home, with just a few bill-paying and bank errands I can do online and on the phone.

Not every book works for everybody. I’m not going to lose sleep over it – I had bookmooched it anyway, so wasn’t out direct cash for it. And, it’s been added to my Culls list, always a plus.

120SomeGuyInVirginia
Aug 31, 2017, 5:14pm Top

Have you ever tried Benedryl for occasional insomnia? It might not be optimal for early rising, but if you have trouble getting to sleep it works pretty well. Also, not habit forming. I tried Lunesta and the other one, but that stuff never worked for me. I tripped like I was on acid and was awake all night anyway. At one point I remember talking to someone who I knew wasn't real and wasn't actually there, but that didn't stop me.

I wonder if it was actual acid I took? You'd think by now I'd have learned not to take pills I found on the subway.

121m.belljackson
Aug 31, 2017, 6:09pm Top

>110 karenmarie:

If you want an easy at-home in-between the 10 year test, Cologuard works well and is now covered by most insurances, maybe Medicare too.

122karenmarie
Aug 31, 2017, 6:51pm Top

>120 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! I've never deliberately tried Benadryl for insomnia, but since it does make me drowsy, it just might work. Thanks! I have successfully used Ambien (1995, as a juror on a capital punishment murder trial), but have never been able to persuade my doctor to just give it to me to use when I want to. :(

Those sub'emway pills will get you every time. Same as the ones I've picked up in the band room when daughter was in high school.....

When daughter was in first grade, I unintentionally gave her the night time medicine and sent her to school - they kept her all day but said she slept most of it. They found it amusing.

>121 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! There was nothing in the results to indicate problems and absolutely nobody in my family on either side that I know of has even had polyps..... I think I'll wait the three years before the indignity of it again. But that's good to know in case I get insecure or things go south, so to speak.

Roger beat Youzhny, but it wasn't at all pretty. It took 5 sets again, after he had to go 5 sets with Tiafoe the other night. Youzhny had the upper hand after the 3rd, up 2 sets, until something happened to him in the 4th - cramps, hip problems, nobody calling it could figure it out exactly - and even though Roger was playing crap tennis he held out long enough to beat him. I didn't even watch the second set because I thought Roger was going to breeze through after taking the first set 6-1. Husband texted me and I realized that there was potential trouble in Rogerland.

I had a book accident today. Friend Carl wanted to stop at Barnes and Noble to get a couple of hunting magazines and two books just leaped out and pushed themselves into my arms. Well, I had to buy them so I wouldn't hurt their feelings.

Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Y is for Yesterday the newest in the Kinsey Milhone franchise are sitting on the chair next to me, smug and happy. And then, amazingly, Glass Houses and Magpie Murders showed up in the mail from my dear friends at Amazon.

A wonderful day book wise - snarky review, cull of same, and four new books, all exciting. Life's good.

123karenmarie
Edited: Sep 1, 2017, 9:05am Top

124SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 1, 2017, 4:29pm Top

What romance books have you read? I've been tracking price drops through ereaderiq.com, and they always include romance books in with the mysteries, I don't know why either. They showed one that was free called Taken by the Yeti. Apparently there's a whole subgenre of bodice rippers where scrappy, interesting women get it on with mythical creatures, both domestic and extra-terrestrial. Of course I had to download it. As well as Snake Girl vs. the KKK, about scrappy, interesting trans woman who takes on the KKK. To defeat, rather than make out with.

I know, it's a little weird, but I love that kind of odd stuff. Of course, I haven't read either, either.

125karenmarie
Edited: Sep 1, 2017, 4:40pm Top

Hi Larry!

I tend to read Georgette Heyer and other chaste Regencies and various bodice-ripper authors incl Mary Balogh. I've read the Sookie Stackhouse series, wherein our heroine gets it on with vampires, werewolves, and etc., and the occasional super-macho black ops series with strong women meeting and conquering macho studmuffins. Hmm. Nothing extra-terrestrial yet. *smile*

You have the dubious honor of being the only person on LT who has Taken by the Yeti.

126johnsimpson
Sep 1, 2017, 4:44pm Top

Hi Karen my dear, hope you are having a good day and wishing you a great weekend dear friend, sending love and hugs from both of us.

127LizzieD
Sep 1, 2017, 11:06pm Top

Hi, Karen. You sound very busy, and I'm wishing that you may enjoy those free days that you have coming up. Alas, my regular year is about to get going again. I've really loved not having to be anywhere much, but I guess I signed on for all of it.
Have a happy reading weekend!

128Berly
Sep 2, 2017, 1:58am Top



You just have to save them when they jump, right?!

Sorry you didn't like Miss Peregrine. I was a fan. But it happens. Tell me what you think of the Astrophysics....

129karenmarie
Sep 2, 2017, 7:10am Top

>126 johnsimpson: Hi John! Yesterday was gloriously unproductive. Reading, visiting Louise, hanging out. Sending love and hugs to you and Karen.

>127 LizzieD: Hey Peggy! It was a very busy week with a nice R&R day yesterday. Next week a little less busy, although 2 Friends of the Library meetings, a haircut and closing on our house refinance are somewhat busy, I guess. What is your ‘regular’ year?

I’m reading The Killings at Badger’s Drift, the first Inspector Badger mystery, which is the first in the TV series Midsomer Murders. They are quite well done. Daughter started watching with us, and is now watching them back at her apartment in Wilmington!

>128 Berly: Hi Berly! You do. Can’t let them fall to the ground. I hope to be able to start Astrophysics this weekend, but we’ll see.

Today is a Friends of the Library meeting to discuss use of the Square credit card processing system. Then errands, then reading, I hope.

130PawsforThought
Sep 2, 2017, 7:34am Top

>129 karenmarie: Inspector Badger?

Is it this guy, by any chance?



;)

131karenmarie
Sep 2, 2017, 2:25pm Top

>130 PawsforThought: Yikes! And double yikes. Barnaby - I created my multi-message response in Word, must have been auto-corrected, and didn't notice. I won't correct it above, as your cartoon wouldn't make as much sense - thanks for sharing it by the way!

Totally embarrassing, given the fact that my only true criticism of the book is editing problems, see next message.

132karenmarie
Edited: Sep 2, 2017, 2:50pm Top

The Killings at Badger’s Drift by Caroline Graham
8/30/17 to 9/2/17





The description from Amazon:

Badger's Drift is an ideal English village, complete with vicar, bumbling local doctor, and kindly spinster with a nice line in homemade cookies. But when the spinster dies suddenly, her best friend kicks up an unseemly fuss, loud enough to attract the attention of Detective Chief Inspector Tom Barnaby. And when Barnaby and his eager-beaver deputy start poking around, they uncover a swamp of ugly scandals and long-suppressed resentments seething below the picture-postcard prettiness. In the grand tradition of the quietly intelligent copper, Barnaby has both an irresistibly dry sense of humor and a keen insight into what makes people tick.

I adored this book. It is well written, intelligent, witty, sly, sarcastic, and full of love. It’s also full of murder, hate, blackmail, adultery, greed, selfishness, thwarted love, jealousy, and narcissism. Stir below the surface of a seemingly dull and upright English village and terrible things are revealed.

I saw Midsomer Murders first and so had lost the element of surprise and need for detection that I usually bring to a mystery, but although I knew what was at the end of the journey I didn’t mind traveling down the road.

Tom Barnaby’s love for his wife shines through, as does his healthy respect for a good meal, not ever provided at home unless daughter Cully’s there. Sargent Troy’s ambition comes through a bit more than in the series, as the point of view switches among nearly every primary character. This frequent switching of point of view brings depth to the characters, not always easy to do in a relatively short (261 pages trade paperback) book.

A very well done book, definitely the start to a series I’ll continue reading. A clever series of murders, cleverly hinted at.

My biggest complaint is that although this is a beautiful Felony & Mayhem Press book, there are frequent words where it’s clear that there was hyphenation sometime during the editing process, but the hyphens didn’t make it out when reformatted. I counted 5 or 6. There was also a spot where two words weren’t separated by a space. Picky, but unexpected in a book from such a prestigious publisher.

133PawsforThought
Sep 2, 2017, 4:55pm Top

>131 karenmarie: At least it was a fun and sweet autocorrect mistake, rather than just a wrong name.

Glad to see that the Midsomer books are good. I've only ever watched the TV series (and boy, have I watched it!) and am not acquainted with the books at all. Someday.

134karenmarie
Sep 2, 2017, 6:28pm Top

>132 karenmarie: It was cute, as was the cartoon.

Apparently there are 7 books. I'll definitely look for them! We're really enjoying the TV series.

Tonight is either a college football game (American football, or as my husband recently told me, officially 'gridiron' football as opposed to what we call soccer and the rest of the world calls football) or Roger Federer. I'm hoping that my husband acquiesces and lets me watch Roger. I think he will. *smile*

135msf59
Sep 3, 2017, 7:16am Top

Morning, Karen! Happy Sunday! I am attending a organized bird walk in a couple of hours. Hope to report back with some birdy bounty.

Enjoy your day.

136karenmarie
Sep 3, 2017, 7:55am Top

>135 msf59: Morning to you! "Bird Bounty" - I like that.

Thanks.

137Ameise1
Sep 3, 2017, 12:07pm Top

Happy Sunday, Karen. I hope it's a great one.

138karenmarie
Sep 3, 2017, 1:18pm Top

>137 Ameise1: Hi Barbara! Thank you. So far, so good. I had a really good talk with my sister. We're going to meet friends for dinner, and I'm getting some reading in, too.

Roger won last night. The match started almost 3 hours late, but I stayed up for the whole thing - thank goodness Roger win in straight sets! He looked really good, much better than his first two 5-set matches. There was some brilliant tennis from both men, too.

139Familyhistorian
Sep 4, 2017, 1:30am Top

>132 karenmarie: I've never read any of Caroline Graham's mysteries even though I really enjoy Midsomer Murders. Hmm, maybe I should check out the books; sounds like you enjoyed that one, Karen.

140Berly
Sep 4, 2017, 2:17am Top

Enjoying the tennis!! Not a page of reading....

141TrizzyS
Sep 4, 2017, 2:24am Top

Wow I'm so impressed by how many books you've read this year. You are giving this newbie some LT goals :)

142karenmarie
Sep 4, 2017, 7:53am Top

>139 Familyhistorian: Hi Meg! I only wish I'd read them before watching the series, but beggars can't be choosers. After the fact is still satisfying. Go for it!

>140 Berly: I haven't been watching lots of the tennis, but may break down and watch some today. I do have some Friends of the Library 'homework'. But I also need to reward myself with some fiction. I had a bit of catching up to do with the Bible As Literature year-long-read. I'm caught up through Ezekiel. The next milestone is to read 6 pages per day of Daniel, Hosea, Joel, and Amos through the 17th.

>141 TrizzyS: Hi Tristin and welcome to LT. I've been a serious reader since about the age of 8, I think, when Mrs. Shigeta read Charlotte's Web out loud to us. I still remember the 'library' at Peter Burnett Elementary School - a windowless room with shelves and shelves of books. Heaven.

143msf59
Sep 4, 2017, 7:57am Top

Morning, Karen. The hummingbirds have been very busy at our feeder. I saw several yesterday. The only problem is, they have competition from the bees, who have been also swarming around the plastic blossoms.

Any holiday plans? We are having family and friends over for a cookout this afternoon. It looks like another day with very limited reading.

144karenmarie
Sep 4, 2017, 8:05am Top

Hi Mark! I just posted on your thread. I need to put out some fresh hummingbird food today. We continue to have many visitors. The house finches have taken over the feeder on the front porch mostly, with occasional Cardinals and Goldfinches. I love watching them literally chase each other around the ring.

No holiday plans. Husband may mow - a large undertaking as that will be about 4 acres or so if he does it all - tennis, reading, possibly washing my car. As mentioned above I've got some Friends of the Library homework to do to prepare Square documentation and publish an e-mail to folks who need to be trained on using it prior to the Book Sale in October.

We don't socialize nearly as much as we used to, and even then I've always been introverted and not given to large groups. Seeing our friends last night for dinner was enough for a while. *smile*

145jessibud2
Sep 4, 2017, 8:54am Top

Hi Karen. Your day sounds good. Summer is winding down and I've noticed it's getting dark much earlier!

I noticed the last few days I've had very few visitors to my feeder but after closer examination, I realized that the inner tube has somehow shifted so that the perches on the outside cage part were not lined up to the ports! Poor birds! I quickly went out and fixed that. I have no idea how that could have happened. I've had that feeder for years and that's never happened before

146karenmarie
Edited: Sep 4, 2017, 8:59am Top

Good morning, Shelley! I'll go visit your thread in a minute.....

I have noticed that the shadows have changed as fall approaches, there are more yellow leaves, and the outside noises have changed a bit. My favorite season is coming!

You're a good bird mommy and 'made it all better.'

147jessibud2
Sep 4, 2017, 9:11am Top

Autumn is my favourite season, too. It's been delightfully cool, weather-wise, here lately and though most are moaning about the end of summer, personally, I am loving it! Windows open, no A/C, air that's breathable. My kind of climate!

148m.belljackson
Sep 4, 2017, 1:19pm Top

>146 karenmarie:
>147 jessibud2:

While I love all the blooming and fragrant flowers, the bees, and all the "raucous birds of summer,"
I hate Summer heat, humidity, and sometimes drought,
so...
Autumn feels perfect with the deepening cooler nights, the leaves again in colors, and, on Friday,
a friend from Chicago's far Southside brought three Mason jars with 4 Monarchs.

The first was ready to go flying out the next day;
another is in the green cocoon stage ready to turn to gold!
while the last two have gently eased into their "J" shape.

Small blessings...

149TrizzyS
Edited: Sep 4, 2017, 6:13pm Top

>142 karenmarie: karenmarie: I love that story. My daughter has just turned 10 and she loves reading, libraries, bookshops and all things books. You have no idea how happy that makes me.

150LovingLit
Sep 4, 2017, 11:53pm Top

>68 karenmarie: My thoughts are getting clearer.
I like it that you are thinking on things like this. I do the same, I can't often form an immediate response to something but need to let all the info settle first before coming to any conclusion. :)
The cogs of my mind turn slowly!

151harrygbutler
Edited: Sep 5, 2017, 8:32am Top

Hi, Karen! I hope you had an enjoyable holiday weekend. Ours was quiet, but I did finish up the books I wanted to complete before my business trip this week, so that I wouldn't have to carry along books I'd finish early on the journey itself. I'll likely be off of LT until the end of the week, but I should get a lot of books read — and maybe manage visits to a couple used bookstores that are open in the evening to see what I can find.

152karenmarie
Sep 5, 2017, 9:39am Top

>147 jessibud2: I’ve got the door open now, Shelley, getting that fresh cool air and hearing the birds. I know we’ll get some more nasty humid days, but every day we don’t is fantastic.

>148 m.belljackson: Ah, monarchs, Marianne! My neighbor Louise showed me a photo album of some of the butterflies she’s seen – in addition to being a birder, she loves watching butterflies. And my Uncle Doug in Iowa is in the Monarch Project and has released 424 so far this year. I’m paying more attention to butterflies now, too. Small blessings indeed in this ever-more-worrisome world.

>149 TrizzyS: Thanks, Tristin! I hope your daughter continues her love of all things book.

>150 LovingLit: My mind has to work on things, too Megan. My thoughts and feelings evolve. All the lovely input from LT friends here helped, too.

>151 harrygbutler: Good morning, Harry! I’m glad you finished up some books so as to have a fresh slate on your trip. Have a safe and productive one. I hope you find some treasures at the book stores, too.

Today is a meeting of the Friends of the Library to continue the planning process for our October book sale. Then the post office and bank then home.

I’m really enjoying Magpie Murders although I haven’t had long stretches to get very far. The US Open took up quite a bit of time over Labor Day weekend. Roger played Saturday and yesterday, winning both matches easily in straight sets. Yay. He plays Juan Martin Del Potro on Wednesday. He lost to Del Potro in the final in 2009 so we'll just have to wait and see.

153katiekrug
Sep 5, 2017, 9:40am Top

The Del Potro-Thiem match was amazing. Did you get to see any of it?

154karenmarie
Sep 5, 2017, 9:47am Top

Yes, Katie! We watched from the end of the second set through the end. It was amazing. One minute I wanted Thiem to win, the next minute DelPo! Fantastic tennis, beautiful shot making. Roger's straight set win over Kohnschreiber was a snore compared to it. Although, Roger's my guy, and I was very, very happy he won.

ESPN had split screen showing both matches at one point. It almost made me dizzy to watch!

155karenmarie
Edited: Sep 5, 2017, 9:50am Top

For Marianne from a comment she made on Mark's thread about my vegetable garden fencing. Yes, it is chicken wire and pulled taut between the wooden pressure-treated beams. This picture is from last year. I didn't get a vegetable garden planted this year.

156msf59
Sep 5, 2017, 9:52am Top

Morning, Karen. I am enjoying the day off and I have very little planned, so lots of reading and bird feeder watching throughout the day.

Hooray for Magpie Murders! Glad you are enjoying it.

157lkernagh
Sep 5, 2017, 3:08pm Top

Hi Karen, I am rather behind with thread visits. Wishing you a belated "Happy New Thread". Sorry to read about what your husband is going through. At least you are able to get closure regarding your Mom's house. Upbeat reading sounds like the perfect balm. I have made note of the Moriarty book.

>76 karenmarie: - Yay for Midsomer Murders!

158m.belljackson
Sep 5, 2017, 8:01pm Top

>155 karenmarie:

Looks like a formidable groundhog-proof fortress!

Do you put anything over the top?

and - is the red an old farm gate?

159karenmarie
Edited: Sep 5, 2017, 10:46pm Top

>156 msf59: Hi Mark! I hope you had a wonderful reading day.

>157 lkernagh: Hi Lori! Thank you. Coming along on Mom's house. I've loved all three of the books by her that I've read - Moriarty, that is. We watched two more Midsomer Murders tonight - so clever and well done!

>158 m.belljackson: The inside is groundhog-proof, Marianne, but the silly bugger would climb on the outside and eat green beans hanging on the outside. I told daughter she could pot him with her .22, but it never happened. She would have done it, too, but was never here when he (she?) was munching on my lovely Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans.

Nothing on the top. And yes, it's a red farm gate, although bought new for the raised bed garden. We have ... let me see.... 6 others in the pastures.

Off to bed. I had a glass of wine and am feeling mellow and will read more Magpie Murders.

160Berly
Sep 5, 2017, 10:59pm Top

Goodnight!! Enjoy the vino and murders. ; )

161johnsimpson
Sep 6, 2017, 4:21pm Top

Hi Karen, another recommendation for you. As you like Midsomer Murders and the blurb on the back of the book says if you like Alexander McCall Smith and Midsomer Murders then this could be for you. Date With Death by Julia Chapman is the first in the Dales Detective series and I really enjoyed this and thought you might as well. I finished it late last night and can't wait for the next one to come out.

Hope you are having a good day my dear, we have been busy getting everything ready for our trip tomorrow. Sending love and hugs dear friend.

162m.belljackson
Sep 6, 2017, 9:18pm Top

>159 karenmarie:

I wouldn't want to shoot anything unless it was attacking - do you recommend any kind of groundhog prevention

tactics around your land?

Great photo - Thank you - I'm copying it for a friend who's considering planting a vegetable garden out here next summer.

163LizzieD
Sep 6, 2017, 10:35pm Top

Just a quick good night, Karen. We're cooling off here, so I'm sure you are too. We're also trying to batten down in case Irma comes by. I devoutly hope she'll head back out to sea and spare us all.

164SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 6, 2017, 10:45pm Top

>132 karenmarie: I'm convinced! I'm going to dig my copy out and read it.

165bohemima
Sep 6, 2017, 11:08pm Top

Karen, while I was reading Miss Peregrine's Home I liked it a lot. Afterwards, though, when I started to think about it a bit more, I spotted some large holes. The writing wasn't that great, either. I loved the pictures and was hoping for something different from what I got; I wanted real spookiness and something much darker.

On the other hand, I also agree about The Killings at Badger's Drift. It's my favorite Barnaby so far. Another one I really enjoyed (some genuine spooky stuff) is A Ghost in the Machine. It's an interesting plot with a little twist at the end.

I'm thrilled with some cooler weather in the Deep South. We've had enough heat and humidity for one year.

166msf59
Sep 7, 2017, 6:50am Top

Morning, Karen! Sweet Thursday! Continues to be cool here but no complaints. Enjoy your day.

167katiekrug
Sep 7, 2017, 8:17am Top

Good morning, Karen! Did you watch Federer's match last night?

I was sorry to see him lose, but I do like Del Potro and will be cheering for him to beat Nadal.

168karenmarie
Sep 7, 2017, 8:20am Top

>160 Berly: I had a good night’s sleep after that glass of wine, Berly, and am happily continuing on with Magpie Murders.

>161 johnsimpson: Hi John. Thanks for the recommendation. I hope you have a lovely trip. Sending love and hugs to you and Karen!

>162 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! I don’t have any suggestions, I’m afraid. We’ve never actually taken any shots at them, and I think for next year when I plant I’m going to put up netting around the outside of the fence where the beans are if I can find something sturdy that lets the sun in but lifts up easily to pick the beans.

Thanks re the photo.

>163 LizzieD: Hi Peggy! It’s deliciously cool this morning, 56F. We’re fairly well prepared although husband hasn’t checked the generator this month yet. If the generator works we’re fine, if not and it comes through, then we’ll need the water I am buying today. Also getting a bit of cash, just in case, although I needed to do that anyway. I don’t think there’s panic buying here yet. Daughter was able to get water and non-perishables yesterday in Wilmington with no problem. Going out to sea would be very nice, of course, but I think Irma’s going to come through NC somewhere.

>164 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! It’s not as weird as some of what you’ve been reading this year, just warning you!

>165 bohemima: Hi Gail! It’s good to see you here. Just like me – liking it as you read, having doubts set in later. It was not atmospheric or really spooky, was it?

I will be getting more Inspector Barnaby books, but I can’t justify any right now – I must read A Gentleman in Moscow for the October 1 book club discussion and I’m only halfway through Magpie Murders and want to finish it prior to starting AGiM
.
The cooler weather is an unexpected treat. I’m remembering Hurricane Fran in 1996 – it came through just about this time in early September and it was a hot nasty mess before, during, and after. From the map it looks like you may be spared most of Irma. ?

>166 msf59: Hi Mark! Thanks. Today should be a good one.

Important things first – hair cut today, possible venture out to the Presidential Film Series at the Library from 6-8 tonight, this one on Truman. A talk with my nephew about Mom’s house. I’m leery, but we’ll see.

Yesterday was momentous – we closed on the refinancing of our house. It will provide positive cash flow so we’re pumped. Our lender couldn’t have made it any easier if they’d tried – all preliminary signing was done through E-Sign and a notary came out to the house last night for us to sign all the final papers. We’ve gone from a variable to fixed, much better in these rising interest rate times. We’ve extended the life of the loan, but as husband asked when we started this process, “Where are we going to be in 18 years?”, the remaining life of our existing mortgage. When I said “either downsized or in a retirement community”, and it sunk in what that really meant, it didn’t matter how long the life of the loan was to us.

I’m sad that Roger Federer lost last night. He just didn’t look good and I gave up, frankly, when he was down 2 sets to 1, having just squandered 4 set points in the 3rd.

Off to visit a few threads, brekkie, and more coffee. Read 6 or so pages of Daniel for my year-long Bible-as-Literature read, then, joy, Magpie Murders.

169karenmarie
Sep 7, 2017, 8:21am Top

>169 karenmarie: Hi Katie! I watched through the end of the 3rd set when he squandered four set points. Blech.

I'll be cheering for Del Potro to beat Nadal, too. He's a quiet giant, and is always so unruffled - just like Federer in that respect. His powerful serving game might give Nadal pause.

170m.belljackson
Sep 7, 2017, 10:04am Top

>168 karenmarie:

Sure wish Federer had won since it may be the last time that he and Rafael Nadal could meet.

And, though it doesn't look real promising, RAFA is still my choice!

171karenmarie
Sep 7, 2017, 10:21am Top

I wish Roger had won too. I might actually continue to watch the tennis this year - I frequently drop out if Roger's not in it. Sad, but true.

Both Roger and Rafa make "we love the rivalry" noises, but do they really? Wouldn't each of them be happier if the other hadn't come along when they did? I really wonder about that.

Do you think Del Potro will beat Nadal?

172Berly
Sep 7, 2017, 10:33am Top

So much for the spoiler alert! Well, I ran out of time yesterday and didn't get to watch Federer lose. I don't think I'll bother to go back and watch it now. Maybe skim. I am in for Del Potro!

173m.belljackson
Sep 7, 2017, 10:33am Top

>171 karenmarie:

It may be my (way far back) Spanish ancestry,
but I sure hope that Nadal comes back strong...

if Federer couldn't do it,
it's time for the other "old" man to give us hope...
and to hope that Federer feels the same!

174Ameise1
Sep 7, 2017, 4:01pm Top

There will be another tennis year with Roger. I hope your day is going well.

175karenmarie
Sep 7, 2017, 5:18pm Top

>172 Berly: Hi Berly! Yay for Del Potro.

>173 m.belljackson: Sí, señora. Pero del Potro es de ascendencia española también y tiene veintinueve años, sólo dos años más joven que Nadal. Debería tener su oportunidad, también. (kudos to Google translate.)

I wonder who Roger would like to see win now that he's out?

>174 Ameise1: Hi Barbara. I think Roger might have another year or two. I hope so, because his style is so beautiful to watch and I can't think of another player offhand that has his grace. Excellent day so far!

I picked up the proof of Mom's and Dad's Violet Parkhurst seascape from the framer's today. I got it framed in a similar style to the reframed/restored original and am pleased with the result. I'm giving it to my daughter for her birthday since she said the original made her feel calm and peaceful. The original is 2' x 4' unframed, the proof is 8" x 16" unframed.

...

176SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 7, 2017, 8:34pm Top

She's going to love that! And the size is perfect for somebody who has a lot of moves ahead. I looked Violet Parkhurst up, and she's a genius at capturing that misty/opaque quality that the air sometimes gets around the sea.

Where's my copy??!!

I'm glad you went fixed, variable payments always spook me.

177lkernagh
Sep 7, 2017, 9:57pm Top

>175 karenmarie: - Beautiful!

178karenmarie
Sep 7, 2017, 11:23pm Top

>176 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! I think so, too. I didn't think about the size being perfect for her, but you're right there, too.

Your copy?

Yup, fixed is good. Totally predictable, finally.

>177 lkernagh: Thanks, Lori! I'm very pleased with it.

179LizzieD
Sep 7, 2017, 11:45pm Top

Well, here 90 miles from the coast, stores are out of water, bread, milk, generators, camp stoves, and gas lines are long and impatient. I'm staying home!
Your daughter is going to be SO PLEASED with her picture! Lovely!!!!!
Congratulations on your refinancing! Enjoy and flourish!

180Ameise1
Sep 8, 2017, 4:03am Top

>175 karenmarie: Oh that's beautiful. She's going to love it.

Happy Friday, Karen.

181PawsforThought
Sep 8, 2017, 6:32am Top

>175 karenmarie: That's a gorgeous painting - I'm sure your daughter will be thrilled with getting one of her own.

182jessibud2
Sep 8, 2017, 6:58am Top

>175 karenmarie: - Lovely. She will love it!!

183msf59
Sep 8, 2017, 7:05am Top

^^I like the seascape! I am sure your daughter will love it.

Morning, Karen. Happy Friday. My brother lives about a hundred miles north of Ft. Lauderdale. He has to evacuate. They will be staying at a motel. Hope they have a home to come back too. Fingers crossed.

184karenmarie
Sep 8, 2017, 9:29am Top

Whew. Just woke up a few minutes ago – I haven’t slept this late in months! Very weird dreams about the house in Hawthorne where I lived from ages 2-14.

>179 LizzieD: Hi Peggy! It doesn’t surprise me at all, yesterday they kept bringing pallets and pallets of water out to our grocery store here in central NC. I admit that I broke down and bought a case of 32 bottles of water Just In Case we were to lose our generator. That was before they started predicting that the storm is going to go through Georgia to Tennessee. Looks like we’re going to get 2-4 inches of rain and winds of 5-10 mph. That is, of course, if the storm does what they say it’s going to do.

Thanks re the picture and our refi. We have done a couple of other things, too, and are much more in control of things now, for the first time since I retired and husband lost his job/got his new job in January.

>180 Ameise1: Thank you Barbara! I hope you’re feeling better and in less pain.

>181 PawsforThought: Thank you! I think she will. She’s finally beginning to want to put things up on walls, age 24.

>182 jessibud2: Thank you, Shelley!

>183 msf59: Thank you, Mark! Happy Friday to you. You must be happy and relieved that your brother has evacuated (where? They’d have to go pretty far to get out of the projected path). I’m hoping the models are wrong and Irma turns north earlier and East, not West! as they are projecting. Fingers crossed for your brother and for our cousins who live in Port Charlotte.

I have a Friends of the Library meeting today from 2:15 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. to go visit another Friends of the Library book sale to see how their credit card system works. We’re implementing the same system in October. Of course I’ll probably buy a book while there…..

185ChelleBearss
Sep 8, 2017, 10:26am Top

>175 karenmarie: That's lovely! I'd love that for over my bed!

186karenmarie
Sep 8, 2017, 10:33am Top

Thanks, Chelle! The original is for sale.....

My sister sort of wants to keep it so it can appreciate in value, but I've got $3300 in it for restoration and reframing and would like to unload it. She has said several times that I can sell it whenever I want, though, which is a huge turnaround from keeping it forever or donating it to a museum, her first two (bizarre) ideas.

The artist's estate has the reproduction rights, and they're going to sell full-sized painted reproductions for $1800 or so each. Too rich for my blood, for sure. And if I kept the original I'd have to buy my sister out. Way too rich for my blood.

I have the two professional photos of the professional proof. I'm going to frame one for my sister and one for me. I was going to make it a surprise for Christmas but thought that perhaps she wouldn't like how I'd get hers framed and she was right - she would prefer a silver fillet instead of a gold one, but her instinct to have a black lacquer fame is the same as mine. So we'll have almost matching framed photos of the seascape.

187m.belljackson
Edited: Sep 8, 2017, 11:55am Top

>175 karenmarie:
>184 karenmarie:

Okay - I know poco del Potro, but Rafael seems to be un hombre de mucho compasion!
(3rd year high school Espanol)

Moving from fence gates to generators, tornadoes and not hurricanes being the concern here,
does your generator work for the whole house?

188karenmarie
Sep 8, 2017, 12:42pm Top

>187 m.belljackson: Hola, Marianne! I had Spanish from 6th - 12th grade, but most of it's lost in the mists of time. Like I wrote above, kudos to Google translate, although I did get some of it on my own!

Our generator is a propane generator since we're rural and have a 500-gallon buried propane tank for one hot water heater, gas cooktop/oven, clothes dryer, and etc. We got the generator in 2000 when I was paranoid about Y2K and also got tired of husband complaining when we lost power and he couldn't watch TV. It's served us well. I didn't want a gas-powered generator because that meant cans and less coverage. I thought why not take advantage of our propane tank, we found one, and it's worked beautifully ever since.

It is not a whole house generator because we didn't get it when we were building, but it is a most house generator put in after the fact. It's in a little shed outside, with underground cabling to the garage, where the breaker boxes are. Husband usually runs it once a month to make sure it's still working. Of course last year he didn't do that very much, we had a dying battery, and there were several weather events where he was out there with our tractor jump-starting it..... but we now have a new battery and it's working well. Knock on wood it will last several more years at least.

It doesn't keep the air conditioning or house heat on but does keep a fan on, and it lets us alternate between the well pump and the refrigerator/garage freezer plus most lights, and electrical outlets downstairs including the ones for the TV and our computers (which are on UPS/power surge systems). I can make coffee when our power is out! Critical. We also have a propane stove in the living room, so can keep warm enough in the winter. If husband gets too hot in the summer, he can drive around with his a/c on.

If we ever built another house, which we probably won't, we'd include a generator in the design from the beginning. Our neighbors have one and it automatically cuts on/off when Duke Power (boo, hiss) isn't providing power.

189karenmarie
Sep 8, 2017, 6:05pm Top

Field trip today to the Chapel Hill Friends of the Library Book Sale to observe their use of Square credit card sales processing. Of course I had to buy 3 books:

Truly Madly Guilty by Liane Moriarty
Beautiful Ruins by Jess Walter
The Trespasser by Tana French

*smile*

190LizzieD
Sep 8, 2017, 11:25pm Top

Hi, Karen!
I neglected to say on my thread that I had occasion to drive the service road and look at bumper-to-bumper northbound traffic on I-95 as far as my eye could see, traveling at about 35 mph. It doesn't take but one direct hit to make true believers.
Best of luck to us!

191karenmarie
Sep 9, 2017, 8:20am Top

Hi Peggy!

Last time I looked online I think it said that 5.6 million people have evacuated. If they couldn't fly out they are on I-75 or I-95. Doesn't surprise me at all. Since it looks like we're not getting a direct hit, or, actually, any hit at all, NC might be seen as a save haven.

Our cousins are staying..... now the storm is tracking up the WEST coast and they live in Port Charlotte. I'm very worried about them but can't tell them that, all I can do is say we love them, they are in our thoughts, and we hope they can stay safe.

192karenmarie
Sep 9, 2017, 9:43am Top

In response to rosalita's list of Georgette Heyers, I have ranked my own. I haven't included the mysteries because I consider them Agatha Christie Wanna-Be's. I also haven't included her historical fiction because those novels are totally different and have different goals, in my opinion. This has been fun!

First number is how I rank them. Second number is my LT rating. Third number is rosalita's rating.

5=Favorite
4=Excellent
3=Good
2=Okay
1=Meh

5--- 4--- 3.5--- Devil's Cub
5--- 4--- 3--- Faro's Daughter
5--- 4--- 4.5--- The Nonesuch
5--- 4--- 3.5--- The Quiet Gentleman
5--- 3.5--- 3--- The Talisman Ring
5--- 4--- 4--- The Toll-Gate
5--- 4--- 4--- The Unknown Ajax
5--- 4--- 4--- These Old Shades

These Old Shades and Devil's Cub are probably my favorites. My first Heyer was Faro's Daughter when I was 13.


4--- 4--- 4.5--- A Civil Contract
4--- 3.5--- 3--- An Infamous Army
4--- 3.5--- 4.5--- Black Sheep
4--- 4--- none--- Lady of Quality
4--- 3.5--- 3.5--- The Convenient Marriage
4--- 3.5--- 3--- The Masqueraders
4--- 3.5--- 3--- The Reluctant Widow

A Civil Contract is her most representative of true Regency marriage - marry for position, marry for money.


3--- 3.5--- 3.5---Arabella
3--- 3--- 4--- Bath Tangle
3--- 4--- 3--- False Colours
3--- 3--- 4.5---Frederica
3--- 3--- 3.5--- Regency Buck
3--- 2.5--- 4--- Sylvester or the Wicked Uncle
3--- 3--- none--- The Black Moth
3--- 3--- 3.5--- The Corinthian
3--- 3--- 4.5--- Venetia

Fun romps, but I haven't re-read too many of them in more recent years. Arabella is fun because of the heroine's overhearing her host's comments.


2--- 2.5--- 3.5---A pril Lady
2--- 2.5--- 3.5--- Charity Girl
2--- 3--- 4.5--- Cotillion
2--- 3--- 3--- Friday's Child
2--- 3--- 3--- Powder and Patch
2--- 3.5--- 3.5--- Sprig Muslin
2--- 3--- 3--- The Foundling
2--- 2.5--- 4--- The Grand Sophy

Meh.

1--- 2.5--- 3.5--- Cousin Kate

I only recently read this one and was seriously disappointed.

193PaulCranswick
Sep 9, 2017, 10:13am Top

Trusting that you are well out of the eye of the hurricane, Karen.

The statistician in me loves your post >192 karenmarie: even though I haven't read any of 'em!

Have a lovely and safe weekend. xxx

194karenmarie
Edited: Sep 9, 2017, 10:27am Top

Hi Paul!

Thank you. It appears that we will only get some wind and rain, and our daughter at the coast may not even get that, thank goodness!

I had fun exporting to excel, 'ranking' them with how I feel about them now, and adding Julia's LT ratings. I was too lazy to give an opinion on each book as she has, but I'm happy with my effort this morning!

We are going to watch the US Open Women's Final this afternoon and the Men's Final tomorrow, interspersed with gridiron football (as opposed to the rest of the world's football). Unfortunately only one TV gets satellite right now. That will change when we get husband the new TV I promised him for his birthday in February in expectation of receiving money from Mom's estate. That money hasn't come through, but our financial efforts recently are making us more comfortable and we think we can do it soon. At that time we need to get a new Dish Network "Hopper" and "Joey" for 4K, so I'll be able to watch Dish in my Retreat if I want. Without interruption for football. *smile*

Other than that, errands, including getting some chronic-pain medication for the cats that we'll dose them with twice or three times per week. Both are senior kitties and when they've been on it for acute pain alleviation it's helped a lot, so the vet and I thought regular doses will help them.

195lkernagh
Edited: Sep 9, 2017, 4:45pm Top

Glad to see the storms will probably miss you, Karen.

>192 karenmarie: - This excellent! Thanks so much for posting your rankings for the various Heyer books!

196karenmarie
Sep 9, 2017, 6:33pm Top

Thanks, Lori!

You're welcome. Are you a Heyer reader? I apologize if I don't remember from your threads.

The Stevens/Keys match wasn't thrilling per se, but Sloan won convincingly. Husband's now watching football, and I'm continuing with Magpie Murders.

It's a beautiful Carolina day.

197Berly
Sep 9, 2017, 7:36pm Top

Still at work but watching the women's final later!! Love all the Heyer titles--they bring back some fond memories. Stay dry this weekend!

198lkernagh
Sep 9, 2017, 10:34pm Top

>196 karenmarie: - No, I read some Heyer a good number of years ago. My most recent Heyer reading was in 2013 when I read Cousin Kate - which I see you didn't like, The Unknown Ajax - which received high scores from you, and Frederica, which was more "middle of the road" for you. It looks like we only disagree on Cousin Kate, which I did enjoy. ;-)

199karenmarie
Edited: Sep 10, 2017, 7:12am Top

>197 Berly: Hi Berly! Working on Saturday? I re-read Heyer periodically. I love the new trade paperbacks and pick them up at thrift stores and at the Friends of the Library sales when I find them. We might get some rain, but it keeps looking like less and less.

>198 lkernagh: Hi Lori! Here's what I've read since 2008, when I first started recording my reading.

Bath Tangle September 2016
Black Sheep March 2010
Cousin Kate March 2010
Regency Buck November 2014
Sprig Muslin April 2010
Sylvester or the Wicked Uncle March 2008
The Black Sheep November 2014
The Convenient Marriage November 2014
The Devil's Cub March 2010
The Devil's Cub November 2014
The Great Roxhythe March 2010
The Nonesuch April 2010
The Nonesuch November 2014
The Nonesuch October 2016
The Quiet Gentleman August 2010
The Quiet Gentleman November 2014
The Reluctant Widow April 2016
The Talisman Ring March 2010
The Toll-Gate November 2014
The Unknown Ajax April 2010
The Unknown Ajax November 2014

Note The Great Roxhythe, not one of her Regency Romances, but a sweet little book bout the 1670s and the reign of Charles II. Here's the review I wrote in 2010: The Great Roxhythe

There is a terrible convergence of sports on today. Both the Panthers and Dallas play at 4:25 p.m. I don't know if we can get Dallas, but we can definitely get the Panthers. The men's final of the US Open is today, too, although with Nadal playing Anderson, I wouldn't have sat down and watched it as avidly as I would have if Roger were playing Anderson. Or even Del Potro playing Anderson.

But I've also got book club tonight. I have to leave at 6:20 for the 7 p.m. meeting to discuss Born a Crime. I loved the book. So I'll miss the end of everything regardless.

I finished Magpie Murders last night. Review to follow.

200msf59
Sep 10, 2017, 7:21am Top

>189 karenmarie: Hooray, for the mini- book haul! I LOVED The Beautiful Ruins and The Trespasser was pretty darn good too.

Morning, Karen! The family will be out all day so I will be hanging home in the peace and the quiet. Hope to get out for a solo bird walk and then clock in some major reading time.

201karenmarie
Sep 10, 2017, 7:26am Top

Good morning, Mark! Thank you. I so wanted to buy more, to spend time going through other sections - non-fiction, YA - but felt it was an imposition on the Friends since we were there to observe on the special Members Only day. I didn't want to keep our Friends President waiting, either.

Yay for you, for a quiet day alone with books, the house, and a bird walk! I hope you have a wonderful time.

202katiekrug
Sep 10, 2017, 8:56am Top

Don't know how much it helps, Karen, but Dallas is playing tonight, not this afternoon. I only know this because they are playing my Giants :)

Happy Sunday!

203ChelleBearss
Sep 10, 2017, 8:58am Top

Enjoy your day of sports and books! Glad to hear the hurricane shouldn't affect your area too much

204karenmarie
Sep 10, 2017, 11:11am Top

>202 katiekrug: You're right, Katie! I read the wrong line on the schedule. I printed the Panthers schedule with the preseason and regular season games and the Dallas schedule with only the regular season games and went down to the 5th line instead of looking at the first..... Sheesh. I'll get to watch a bit of it then since I'll be home by 9:30.

>203 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! Most of the Irma models are singing out of the same hymn book with it missing NC almost completely, but we're still monitoring it in case it doesn't follow the models.

I just spent about an hour on Friends of the Library stuff - 3 payments and a bit of prep for tomorrow's board meeting. It will take more prep in the a.m., I'm afraid, and I'll actually have to set the alarm to get up early enough to get things done to get there by 9:15. I know - boo hoo to the retired person. One of the absolutely biggest joys of being retired is to NOT have to set the alarm hardly ever at all.

205karenmarie
Sep 10, 2017, 12:10pm Top

Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz
9/3/17 to 9/9/17





The description from Amazon:
From the New York Times bestselling author of Moriarty and Trigger Mortis, this fiendishly brilliant, riveting thriller weaves a classic whodunit worthy of Agatha Christie into a chilling, ingeniously original modern-day mystery.

When editor Susan Ryeland is given the manuscript of Alan Conway’s latest novel, she has no reason to think it will be much different from any of his others. After working with the bestselling crime writer for years, she’s intimately familiar with his detective, Atticus Pünd, who solves mysteries disturbing sleepy English villages. An homage to queens of classic British crime such as Agatha Christie and Dorothy Sayers, Alan’s traditional formula has proved hugely successful. So successful that Susan must continue to put up with his troubling behavior if she wants to keep her job.

Conway’s latest tale has Atticus Pünd investigating a murder at Pye Hall, a local manor house. Yes, there are dead bodies and a host of intriguing suspects, but the more Susan reads, the more she’s convinced that there is another story hidden in the pages of the manuscript: one of real-life jealousy, greed, ruthless ambition, and murder.

Masterful, clever, and relentlessly suspenseful, Magpie Murders is a deviously dark take on vintage English crime fiction in which the reader becomes the detective.


This is a book within a book. We are given a brief intro by editor Susan Ryeland, warning us that this book changed her life forever, then immediately start reading Magpie Murders by Alan Conway. 210 pages later, the story ends abruptly, clearly unfinished.

We then return to present day with Susan Ryeland and the sentence “Annoying, isn’t it?”

It certainly is. We continue with Susan’s narration of the mystery of the missing pages and the seeming suicide of Alan Conway but which we immediately suspect is murder. This is Susan Ryeland’s feeling, too, and as she chases down clues and interviews people, trying to find the missing pages and solve what she firmly believes is murder.

After a spectacular denouement, we get to read the last chapters of Alan Conway’s book and a final musing and status update by Susan Ryeland.

There are many sly allusions to various mystery writers and TV series. Midsomer Murders, which I just started watching 2 weeks ago and had never heard about until about a month ago, figures prominently. We meet Agatha Christie’s real life grandson and other authors. We see how the clues in Alan Conway’s Magpie Murders are themed. Names are themed, and Ryeland thinks she is very clever indeed. She also bemoans about how hard it is in real life to follow leads, keep an eye on the overall case, and know what to do when. She says, “It’s one thing reading about detectives, quite another trying to be one.”

At the same time we’re working on solving the two mysteries, we’re also sharing Susan’s relationship woes/musings as she tries to figure out what she feels for her long-time lover Andreas.

There are several places where the plot grinds audibly. This is in the grand tradition of Sayers and Christie (among others), as are the eccentric English characters and blindingly stupid decisions occasionally taken by the detectives, including Susan Ryeland.

It was all very satisfying. And I have to thank Anthony Horowitz for explicating my love of mysteries. Here is my favorite extended quote from the book for why I’ve loved mysteries ever since I picked up my first Nancy Drew when I was 10.
”I’ve always loved whodunnits. I’ve not just edited them. I’ve read them for pleasure throughout my life, gorging on them actually. You must know that feeling when it’s raining outside and the heating’s on and you lose yourself, utterly, in a book. You read and you read and you feel the pages slipping through your fingers until suddenly there are fewer in your right hand than there are in your left and you want to slow down but you still hurtle on towards a conclusion you can hardly bear to discover. That is the particular power of the whodunit which has, I think, a special place within the general panoply of literary fiction because, of all characters, the detective enjoys a particular, indeed a unique relationship with the reader.

Whodunnits are all about truth: nothing more, nothing less. In a world full of uncertainties, is it not inherently satisfying to come to the last page with every i dotted and every t crossed? The stories mimic our experience in the world. We are surrounded by tensions and ambiguities, which we spend half our life trying to resolve, and we’ll probably be on our own deathbed when we reach that moment when everything makes sense. Just about every whodunit provides that pleasure. It is the reason for their existence.

206ronincats
Sep 10, 2017, 1:13pm Top

Hi, Karen. Just starting to catch up with everyone after getting back home.

207nittnut
Sep 10, 2017, 11:12pm Top

Hi Karen. Just whizzing through before bed. I am enjoying cooler weather and feeling mildly guilty about our level of safety and comfort. I hope your coming week is a good one.

208Berly
Sep 11, 2017, 3:23am Top

Ha! I just picked up a Heyer! The Grand Sophy. Magpie Murders is all the buzz these days. And you gave it a four? Hmmmm. Might have to get my hands on that one.

209ChelleBearss
Sep 11, 2017, 9:26am Top

>205 karenmarie: I'm on the library hold list for this one! I've been seeing it around LT a lot lately

210SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 11, 2017, 10:07am Top

What a great quote and yes, I've felt that way many times. There are cold, rainy October days when the only possible thing to do is sit in a big, comfortable chair and read gaspers.

I have Da Floof! and boy is he one angry cat. He really loves being at Dad's because of the extra space, the screened balcony, and constant company. He gave me such a look when I left this morning@! Sweet little shit head Baby Baboo.

211karenmarie
Sep 11, 2017, 12:04pm Top

>206 ronincats: Hi Roni! It’s always such a good feeling to catch up with our LT friends. Nice to see you here.

>207 nittnut: Hi Jenn! We dodged the bullet, for sure. We’ll get our very own hurricane eventually – this year or a year or two down the road, I’m afraid. Climate change, and building where things shouldn’t necessarily be built contribute to so much of the destruction, I’m afraid.

Cool weather, sprinkles right now. This week should be fairly calm. I have a deep tissue massage on Thursday to look forward to!

>208 Berly: Yay Berly and yay Heyers! Yup, a four. In my rating system that’s “Excellent”. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I must admit that it took a bit to get used to the book-within-a-book format.

>209 ChelleBearss: I think you’ll enjoy it, Chelle.

>210 SomeGuyInVirginia: As soon as I started reading that paragraph, Larry, I knew it could be used to great advantage, both in my review and in my feelings about mysteries.

I’m glad you’ve got Mr. Parker D. Cat back although it sounds like he’d rather be with your dad. Ah well, he’ll come around soon, dirty looks not withstanding. Awwww, I know you love him when you say “Sweet little shit head Baby Baboo.”

I spent 2 hours getting ready for this morning’s Friends of the Library Board Meeting and was almost late. Didn’t get breakfast, so will get it now and have a late lunch. I’m starved.

The rest of the day? Perhaps an hour of Friends stuff and reading. I’m reading A Gentleman in Moscow and it’s absolutely wonderful so far.

212msf59
Sep 12, 2017, 6:55am Top

>205 karenmarie: Good review of Magpie Murders. Glad you enjoyed it.

Morning, Karen! Happy to hear you are having a good time with the Count. He is great company, isn't he?

213SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 12, 2017, 10:01am Top

I've spent all my free time telling him how wonderful he is and I think he's forgiven me, or at least is prepared to forgive me. He even tore around the apartment like a mad cat last night. Always a good sign, but since the bat got in last January it always makes me wonder if we got winged critters or if my cat is clazy.

214karenmarie
Sep 12, 2017, 10:09am Top

I love it when kitties get a bee in their bonnet and tear around. Our Coco kitty used to see invisible bugs on the breakfast room area rug and attack them vigorously. Kitty William zooms through the house back and forth, and Inara clunks around upstairs. It's totally wonderful.

I'm glad Da Floof is working on forgiveness.

Observation about birds: They don't look nearly as attractive with bedraggled feathers. We've got a lot of rain today and the House Finches and Goldfinches are not happy.

215msf59
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 7:00am Top

Morning, Karen! Do you also have a birdbath! They have been really abusing mine lately. I have to check it, at least every other day. I heard it works better if you have a fountain or trickling water. I might look into that.

Boo to "bedraggled feathers"!

216karenmarie
Sep 13, 2017, 7:06am Top

Hi Mark! Eek! I didn't acknowledge your message in >212 msf59: - I'm glad you liked my review of Magpie Murders. Thank you.

I'm really enjoying A Gentleman in Moscow. I had started my ER book The Book of Love and Hate to slow myself down and savor "The Count", but have officially decided to abandon it this morning and get back to a GOOD book!

I have a birdbath, but I need to clean out the leaves and fill it up with fresh water this morning. It is a nice looking but poor functioning birdbath - I need a new one that has a wide, shallow bowl instead of the tall and narrow bowl. Mom had a really good one that the birds used so much that I had to fill it every day. I'd like to get back to that if I can. Husband doesn't know yet that I'm on a Bird Bath Mission..... *smile*

217harrygbutler
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 7:09am Top

Good morning, Karen! I'm finally caught up enough from my trip to start visiting a bit here on LT. Enjoy your Wednesday!

We have a makeshift birdbath that I put together using some bricks and a ceramic tray that we had gotten for some other now-forgotten purpose. I've not really seen them using it much yet, but I've found evidence that they do.

218karenmarie
Sep 13, 2017, 7:24am Top

Hi Harry! Glad you're caught up.

I am getting more and more inspired to do something better for the birds vis-a-vis a bird bath. Neither husband nor I am good at "makeshift", and I admire people who are.

Today I'll be having lunch with my former IT co-workers about 28 miles from home, then drop off a check at the Library (Friends of the Library stuff), make decisions about 2 of the 3 prints of Mom and Dad's seascape, then make a quick grocery store run. And possibly stop off at the Post Office since I'll be on that end of town.

219karenmarie
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 8:02am Top

The Book of Love and Hate by Lauren Sanders
9/11/17 to 9/13/17 abandoned on page 97

This is an ER book





The description from Amazon:

Jennifer Baron is a failed Olympic speed skater now running her family's foundation and trying to stay sober, when her billionaire father disappears. She travels to Israel in search of him, becoming recklessly entangled in his illegal dealings and with his enigmatic lover, Gila, a former Mossad agent gone bad. Along the way, she is drawn into the shadow worlds of the Promised Land, where career-jockeying government agents, fake Orthodox Jews, queer Palestinians on the run, and other displaced wanderers scramble to find home amid the endless cycles of war, occupation, and heartbreak.

The Book of Love and Hate is an unraveling of white-collar crime and its motivations. It's a testament to the magnificent oblivion of love and a shattering of inherited trauma, both personal and historical.


I have to admit that I abandoned this book after 97 pages. I found it confusing and didn’t particularly like Jennifer Baron. It leapt back and forth in time in a shorthand effort to give us the backstory on Jennifer, her brother, her father, and her mother in a rapid and rather sterile attempt at empathy. One minute we’re at home with a traumatic family scene, then we’re getting quick lessons in pain and drug use in top-tier athletes, then we’re in Israel, AA meetings, bars, and new offices where the receptionist doesn’t know that Jennifer is the CEO. Sorry, I really wanted to like this one.

220RebaRelishesReading
Sep 13, 2017, 7:53am Top

>219 karenmarie: I'm not sure I would have even made it for 97 pages!!

221karenmarie
Sep 13, 2017, 8:01am Top

Hi Reba!

I abandon with glee, but really tried with this one as it is an ER book (which I forgot to mention above and will now add to the review). I have to keep it in my catalog to keep the ER gods happy, but I will take the physical book to the thrift shop.

222jessibud2
Sep 13, 2017, 8:09am Top

Hi Karen. I have a small birdbath that is heavy and low enough to the ground that the squirrels can put their front paws on the ledge and have a drink, too. It is oval shaped and has 2 concrete (I think) birds perched on its ledge as decoration. When my real birds drink or even have a bath, it's sometimes hard to tell who's who, from a distance! I tip it empty each night and put in fresh water each morning (and in summer, sometimes a few times a day as it seem to empty quickly, either from drinkers or evaporation). Also, Toronto has had problems in the past with West Nile, and we have been encouraged not to have standing water on our properties. I don't want to get rid of the birdbath so my solution is to change the water daily so as not to give mosquitoes a place to lay and incubate their eggs. I also have a small scrub brush that I use to scrub it maybe once a week before refilling.

Also, I noticed yesterday what, for me, is the real first sign of autumn: the goldfinches brilliant summer plumage is fading. What was once bright yellow is already turning olive in colour. The seasons, they go round and round....

223karenmarie
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 9:37am Top

Hi Shelley!

You're a good bird mommy.....

I just remembered a Wild Birds Unlimited Gift card from my friend Jan that I can use to buy one of the shallow 20" ones. I'll check out Lowe's first, though, in case they have one and I don't have to drive 30 miles to the WBU store.

Our goldfinches are looking less yellow, but haven't gone drab yet.

224karenmarie
Sep 13, 2017, 10:41am Top

I am continuing with A Gentleman in Moscow and hope the following quote from pp. 120-121 will tempt anybody on the fence about this book:
...the Count had to acknowledge once again the virtues of withholding judgment.

After all, what can a first impression tell us about someone we've just met for a minute in the lobby of a hotel? For that matter, what can a first impression tell us about anyone? Why no more than a chord can tell us about Beethoven, or a brushstroke about Botticelli. By their very nature, human beings are so capricious, so complex, so delightfully contradictory, that they deserve not only our consideration, but our reconsideration--and our unwavering determination to withhold our opinion until we have engaged with them in every possible setting at every possible hour.


So vivid and so right. Idealistic because most of us judge upon first impressions, but a reminder that we shouldn't.

225SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 13, 2017, 11:42am Top

I've always liked seeing bird baths. My grandmother had one, but I don't know what happened to it. The house burned after she died, and I suppose it was swept away when the lot was cleared. I have a lot of pigeons that hang out around my balcony (yuk), but I tolerate them because that's Parker's TV.

226jessibud2
Sep 13, 2017, 12:16pm Top

>224 karenmarie: - Karen, his writing is so elegant and eloquent, isn't it? I am currently listening to his first novel, Rules of civility and I also happen to have the hard copy on hand. If I remember, I will post some quotes from that one, too, so you can see. I am on disc #3 (of 10) and will be sad when it's over.

227streamsong
Sep 13, 2017, 12:55pm Top

Hi Karen - I'm glad the hurricane missed you! Have you heard from the relatives in Port Charlotte?

The RLBC nominates books to read in December for the next year. A Gentleman in Moscow sounds like it might be perfect for our group. I usually nominate two books, so the other one I've been thinking about is Lincoln in the Bardo. I can't remember if you've read that one.

I love all the bird bath talk. I never did get my bird feeder up that I purchased last spring. I need to do it soon so the birds will know where it is. We actually have very few birds around right now - I suspect the forest fire smoke is driving them off. I know I would certainly take to wing if I could.

228SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 13, 2017, 2:42pm Top

BTW, Audible has over 300 audiobooks on sale for $4.95. There are a lot of books that I actually wanted, rather than the usual dreck Audible and Amazon seem to offer during sales.

229johnsimpson
Sep 13, 2017, 4:24pm Top

Hi Karen, I am back now so can go round the threads, we had a lovely time in Wales with loads of very good bookshops visited. Hope you are well my dear as I have been able to keep up with all the threads. Sending love and hugs dear friend.

230karenmarie
Sep 13, 2017, 4:35pm Top

>225 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! Bird baths are a lot of fun. I really enjoyed Mom’s. Too bad about your grandmother’s house burning.

Bird TV for Parker! We had fish TV for the cats – the kitty condo was next to the 56-gallon fish tank. The fish were probably not happy about the arrangement, but the kitties sure were.

Have I mentioned that the last fish, an ancient Black Tetra, went to fish heaven about 2 weeks ago? I haven’t turned off the filters so the water won’t get yucky, but haven’t gotten up the energy to empty it yet. Perhaps this weekend. Done with fish, at least for the foreseeable future.

>226 jessibud2: Hi Shelley! It is. I’m very pleased with this book and am trying to savor it and not rush through. I’ve also got Rules of Civility on my shelves, so have that to look forward to, along with quotes from you.

>227 streamsong: Me, too, Janet! Our relatives are safe and sound. All they got were defoliated trees. No damage and they didn’t even lose power. In fact, they went to Disney World yesterday to celebrate escaping the wrath of Irma!

I gave Lincoln in the Bardo 5 stars, one of only six books that I’ve given that rating to. I was absolutely gobsmacked by it. It's something I want to listen to - I read the book and then bought the audiobook but haven't listened to it yet. I might suggest it as my book for our next book club year. We pick books in November for the next 12 months.

It makes sense that the birds are avoiding the smoke. They’ll probably appreciate it come wintertime.

>228 SomeGuyInVirginia: Thanks for the heads up, Larry! Duly noted.

231m.belljackson
Sep 13, 2017, 8:01pm Top

>216 karenmarie:
>222 jessibud2:

Our birdbath is a shallow one set on bricks a la Frank Lloyd Wright
(if there's ever a low tech way to post photos, I'll do it) and filled each day.

I keep a long handled scrub brush in the back and every few weeks,
I empty the bowl at night, fill it with vinegar, let it set, and scrub and rinse it in the morning.

232vancouverdeb
Sep 13, 2017, 10:00pm Top

Great review of The Magpie Murders, Karen! Great minds and all of that! My sister lent me her copy of Magpie Murders, which is waiting to be read. I also purchased The Grand Sophy , also languishing in TBR pile. I've been trying to read some Booker Long listed book and now I think I'm going to read a book I read about in the paper this weekend and ordered from amazon .

233harrygbutler
Sep 14, 2017, 6:41am Top

Hi, Karen! Happy Thursday!

234karenmarie
Sep 14, 2017, 8:22am Top

>231 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! Very good idea about how to clean the bird bath. I'm lucky if I do more than get the leaves out and fresh water in regularly. Our is heavy stone. Can't lift it down, can only tilt it and rinse that way.

>232 vancouverdeb: Hi Deborah! Thank you. I loved the book and had fun writing my review. I hope you'll love it. And a Heyer! Not my favorite for sure, but all Georgette Heyers are better than most other romances.

>233 harrygbutler: Good morning, Harry!

I just got up a bit ago, have had a first sip of coffee. Today is deep-tissue massage at 11, car servicing at 1, training a person to use Square credit card processing at 4:30, and then from 6-8 p.m. the 4th in the Presidential Film series at the library, this time about LBJ.

235msf59
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 9:12am Top



Morning, Karen! Sweet Thursday! I have the next 4 days off, so I am truly a Happy Camper. Of course, like my little bird friend up there, I want to warble loudly about The Heart's Invisible Furies. Just over a 100 pages in, but it is all ready in contention for the best book of the year. Just sayin'...

BTW- That is a Prothonotary Warbler. I have never seen one but I hope to.

236karenmarie
Sep 14, 2017, 9:22am Top

Hi Mark! What a beautiful bird. Just looked it up on the Cornell website, and see that they breed here in the summer. Haven't ever seen one that I know of, but I need to look at Goldfinches more carefully in case I'm mis-identifying one.

Warble away, dear friend! I've got a lot of books informally lined up for the rest of the year, but of course with our Friends of the Library book sale next month, may acquire more. Offhand the description of The Heart's Invisible Furies doesn't turn it into a BB for me, but you never know. Just sayin'... *smile*

237SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 14, 2017, 10:57am Top

We're sliding into autumn here, when a young man's thoughts turn to zombies. I'm well into a horror kick that should last a few months.

The first time I saw a goldfinch (I call them yellow finches), I thought 'Oh look, someone's lost their parakeet. Poor bird!'

238drneutron
Sep 14, 2017, 8:59pm Top

>237 SomeGuyInVirginia: oooo, zombies. I'm in!

239karenmarie
Sep 15, 2017, 7:54am Top

>237 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hi Larry! Of course your thoughts turned to zombies. I've read The Anita Blake Vampire Hunter series (19 of 25). They have zombies in them. I'm not sure if the Sookie Stackhouse series has zombies - don't remember. Zombies are not high on my list, but go for it!

I'm seeing yellow and brown leaves, seeing the new sun angles, feeling the crisp air in the morning. My favorite season.

>238 drneutron: Hi Jim!

So far for today I have nothing scheduled. I might go to the bank to deposit Friends of the Library sales money. If I do, I'll get a green pepper for salad for lunch. I might be lazy instead and NOT go out.

240msf59
Sep 15, 2017, 8:24am Top

Morning, Karen. Happy Friday! Leaving shortly for my Wisconsin birding adventure. Wish me luck. I'll be back tomorrow night.

Have a great weekend yourself.

241harrygbutler
Sep 15, 2017, 8:30am Top

Hi, Karen! A lazy day can be a welcome thing.

Nothing unusual at our feeders, but we may do some birding this weekend.

242karenmarie
Sep 15, 2017, 8:47am Top

>240 msf59: Hi Mark! Have fun, and good luck! I hope to see a good report on your thread.

>241 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! Yes. Of course, Tuesday was also lazy, so this week has been especially nice.

My neighbor Louise says she saw a Common Ground Dove, most likely a storm bird. I haven't seen one. :(

Nothing unusual at our feeders, except that I have seen a couple of Chickadees, not usual at this time of year at the feeders, but I love watching the House Finches chase each other around on the sunflower seed feeder in the front.

243katiekrug
Sep 15, 2017, 9:02am Top

I vote for NOT going out. There is something so indulgent about just relaxing all day without feeling like you *should* be doing something...

244SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 15, 2017, 9:28am Top

Ermagerd! Perfect hammock weather!

245karenmarie
Sep 15, 2017, 9:51am Top

>243 katiekrug: Hi Katie! So far I'm still in my jammies and nursing my 2nd mug of coffee. "Should" will go by the wayside for today, I think.

>244 SomeGuyInVirginia: Hallo Larry! The hammock may beckon. I'm happily reading A Gentleman in Moscow, so will take it out there. I'll also probably fill up the hummingbird feeders, not a 'should' but a 'want to', and see how many are still around.

246Berly
Sep 15, 2017, 10:34am Top

Jammies and coffee sounds wonderful! Love all the bird bath stories. And the kitty cats tearing around. Enjoy AGinM today. And the hammock. : )

247karenmarie
Sep 15, 2017, 1:57pm Top

Hi Berly!

I've been getting some good reading in, outside in the hammock. Replaced the hummingbird feeders AND food with fresh (I rotate hummingbird feeders so I can wash them in the dishwasher) and had many little visitors.

I did decide that I needed a green pepper for the salad after all, so went to the thrift shop, post office, grocery store, bank, and library.

The reward was books:

Amazon - Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris
Thrift Shop - Moo by Jane Smiley
Thrift Shop - Number 11 by Jonathan Coe
Thrift Shop - Jack with a Twist by Brenda Janowitz
Thrift Shop - November 22, 1963 by Adam Braver

Inspired by Paul's A BOOK A YEAR FOR THE FIRST 50 YEARS OF MY LIFE, I'm creating my own list, although I've got a few more years than he does.....

So reading and continuation of creating my own list. Fun stuff.

248FAMeulstee
Edited: Sep 16, 2017, 1:31pm Top

>247 karenmarie: I have been busy with creating my own list too, Karen, limiting my time with our group. It doesn't help only some the books I have read have Original publication date filled at LT...

249karenmarie
Edited: Sep 16, 2017, 2:13pm Top

>248 FAMeulstee: Hi Anita! Even if you have the publication date, it may not be the originally published date, which is what I'm doing. I'm assuming it's what Paul's doing too, but don't know that for sure. His message only says "published every year".

I've been looking on he Goodreads site which shows most the top 200 books published in a given year that have been added to that website. Here's 1953, the year I was born, and you can simply put in a different year and click View. However, this is an English-centric and US centric site, I'm afraid. I'm also looking at NY Times Bestseller lists, Pulitzer Prize lists, and other various. It's homework!

Goodreads Top 200 Books Added by Year

The benefit of looking at lists of books published is that if I don't own it but still read it, I may want to list it. An example is The Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy.

I just spent another hour on my list, will review another time or two, then post. It's been fun so far!

250FAMeulstee
Sep 16, 2017, 4:41pm Top

I look up the original publication dates at the Koninklijke Bibliotheek (Dutch National Library), Karen, and if it is an translation I take the original publishing date of the original. So I check each and every book. Want to have my list completed in February next year.

251EllaTim
Sep 16, 2017, 6:41pm Top

>249 karenmarie: Thanks for the link to Goodreads. I tried it out, and it's really interesting. Don't think I'm going to make a list like you, and Paul and Anita are doing. For one thing I found out that there is so much I have not read, and especially from 2017 or 2016 that I can hardly pick a best one. But it's fun to look at, and gave me new ideas for reading.

Wishing you success with making your list!

252karenmarie
Edited: Sep 17, 2017, 7:57am Top

>250 FAMeulstee: Hi Anita! You're doing to do this much better than I am - I don't have the patience to go through every book I've read and find the publication date and THEN find the best one for the year. Good for you.

>251 EllaTim: Hi Ella! Thank you for visiting! You're very welcome - I am not a member of Goodreads, but I found the lists interesting. And I am having a lot of fun with the list. I will post it soon.

I just went to your thread, and imagine my happiness when I saw the painting of a calico cat! Here's my calico cat Inara Starbuck, 10 years old now although this photo is from when she was 3:

253FAMeulstee
Sep 17, 2017, 7:56am Top

>252 karenmarie: I started with the books I rated 4 1/2 stars or more, Karen, but the completist/perfectionist in me thought it was a nice opportunity to add the original publishing date to all read books.
As I only kept reading records since 2008 it is a doable task. It only adds to my administrative duties after finishing a book ;-)

254karenmarie
Sep 17, 2017, 8:00am Top

>253 FAMeulstee: You and me both - completest/perfectionist! But I'm not patient enough to go back and add original publication date to ALL my reads.

My list of books read since 2008 is getting close to 1000, a fact that will launch a little celebration later on this year when that magical number is reached.

255msf59
Sep 17, 2017, 8:01am Top

Morning, Karen. Happy Sunday! Back home again. Had a great time hiking/birding and chatting with Nancy yesterday. Never a dull moment, plus it was a gorgeous day, at a wonderful location.

Hope your weekend is going well, my friend.

256karenmarie
Sep 17, 2017, 8:09am Top

Thanks, Mark! It is. Quiet morning here on LT, coffee in hand, crisp cool air coming in through the open door.

Kitty William is in the garage yowling, although I'll leave him there until husband wakes up. Working husband means sleeping in on Saturday and Sunday, so I try to keep things quiet until he staggers into the kitchen needing a first cup of coffee. *smile*

Reading, football, and hammock. So far those are the only things on the schedule besides perhaps cooking dinner.

257jessibud2
Sep 17, 2017, 9:30am Top

Karen, quotes up and ready on my thread. Sad to be finishing this book today but excited to pick up the audio of Gentleman tomorrow and jump back into it. I had to stop half way through because I was going out of town for a week and wasn't allowed to renew it (I suspect because of demand). So I just requested it again and got the call yesterday that it is in. Perfect timing, actually

258EllaTim
Sep 17, 2017, 9:33am Top

>Hi Karen! Lovely calico cat there. I once read that they have the gentlest temperament of all cats, was true of mine, what's your Inara Starbucks like?

I am a member of Goodreads, but I'm only active here on LT. Have fun with your list!

259karenmarie
Sep 17, 2017, 10:12am Top

>257 jessibud2: Excellent news, Shelley - I'll be over to visit in a minute. I'm on page 323 of 462 of AGiM. Perfect timing indeed.

>258 EllaTim: Thank you, Ella! Inara is not the gentlest cat I've ever had. That honor goes to Magic, our puppy cat who used to sleep curled into my side all night and follow us when we went down to the creek then run back when I called his name.



Inara is bold and feisty but will curl up in my lap and purr. Not for long, just enough to keep the bond going. She has a squeaky meow, hardly a meow at all, and her tail never stops swishing unless she's asleep. She's our huntress, our bold Diana, and has an uncanny sense of time because she always shows up within a few minutes of 9 p.m. for my husband to give her treats.

I might do a bit with my list this morning and probably be watching a lot of Panthers and then Dallas Cowboys football, starting about 1 p.m.

260Ameise1
Sep 17, 2017, 10:16am Top

Happy Sunday, Karen.

261SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 17, 2017, 11:10am Top

Magic is a sweet looking cat.

Road trip day! I'm going to listen to audiobooks and drive out to the valley to do my shopping. The leaves are already changing here.

262harrygbutler
Sep 17, 2017, 11:57am Top

Hi, Karen! Sounds like you've got a relaxing Sunday planned. I hope you're enjoying your day!

263karenmarie
Sep 17, 2017, 4:07pm Top

>260 Ameise1: Thank you Barbara! I hope you're having a good day too, reading and recovering.

>261 SomeGuyInVirginia: Thank you Larry. I still miss him. Exciting day out for you, I'm sure. No change here yet, just a bit of yellow and brown, no real color change.

>262 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! Yes good day so far. The Panthers beat the Bills 9-3, a total of four field goals only. The offensive line couldn't protect Cam and he got sacked 5 or 6 times, but our defensive line did very well. Olsen left in the first half and came back out in shorts and a short cast on his right leg. Nobody hit him, so don't know what's going on. And Cam was down hard on one play and went into the medical tent, a new feature on the field, but came back out and finished the game.

Dallas plays the Broncos in a few minutes.

I just filled the bird feeders and will do a quick bird bath clean out and refill.

264PaulCranswick
Sep 17, 2017, 8:54pm Top

Dear Karen, I hope this post arrives amid you enjoying what is left of your weekend. xx

265karenmarie
Sep 17, 2017, 10:18pm Top

Hi Paul! You've already started your new week. I hope it's a good one.

Today was quite enjoyable although I'm totally TV'd out until tomorrow night at the soonest. I just came back over here to the computer to finish up a few things and then go read A Gentleman in Moscow for a bit.

Dallas lost badly. Husband gave up about the middle of the 2nd quarter. We watched one episode of Midsomer Murders then the first episode of a weird space thing called The Orville. Funny, strange.

266LizzieD
Sep 17, 2017, 11:02pm Top

I'm enjoying your enjoyment of the Count! I find I still think about him and hope he's well.....

267msf59
Sep 18, 2017, 6:56am Top

Morning, Karen! Hope you are still having a fantastic time with the Count.

Back to the grind today for me, after a long, wonderful weekend.

268EllaTim
Sep 18, 2017, 7:05am Top

>259 karenmarie: Good cat stories, aren't they wonderful? All so very individual, and different, I wouldn't like to be without one.

269Ameise1
Sep 18, 2017, 7:22am Top

Wishing you a good start into the new week, Karen.

270harrygbutler
Sep 18, 2017, 7:23am Top

Hi, Karen! Big flocks of migrants visiting now — chiefly starlings and cowbirds, it seems. We get some fall color, but it's not as spectacular as we see if we drive north.

271ChelleBearss
Sep 18, 2017, 8:21am Top

Morning Karen. How's your list coming along?

272karenmarie
Sep 18, 2017, 8:46am Top

>266 LizzieD: Hi Peggy! He’s wonderful. I’m also enjoying the Russian history, food, and culture that are an integral part of the book, too. I’ve looked up quite a few people, events, and two specific recipes – Latvian Pork Stew with Apricots and Bouillabaise.

>267 msf59: Good morning Mark! I slept in this morning and have just had my first sip of coffee. The Count and I are in 1950 and Sofia is growing up. Boo hiss about going back to work. At least you can listen to books!

>268 EllaTim: Oh yes, Ella. I wouldn’t like to be without one either. I’m down from 5 to 2. I tell husband and daughter I’m still in attrition mode, but honestly, every time I see pictures of kittens I have to resist going to the shelter and getting a young cat – not a kitten, but perhaps one between 8 months and a year or so. I won’t do it because Kitty William would get terribly upset and he deserves calmness in his Very Senior Years.

>269 Ameise1: Thank you, Barbara! I wish the same for you.

>270 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! I think we’re too far south for the migrants to come through yet. But I’m enjoying the birds I do see. We’re still in Hurricane Season, and Hurricane Maria may threaten the US coast. It looks like it’s going to slam into the same Caribbean islands that got ravaged by Hurricane Irma.

>271 ChelleBearss: Hi Chelle! I worked on it a bit yesterday. I’m going to look at it for a bit after I visit a few threads, finish it up, and post it. It’s a lot of fun!

273SomeGuyInVirginia
Sep 18, 2017, 10:47am Top

WTOP, a local news station, posts a Pet of the Week on its website. Usually a dog, sometimes a cat, that's up for adoption at the local shelter. I can't click on it because I immediately want to adopt. It's probably how reformed alkies feel when they see beer commercials on the tee-bee.

274karenmarie
Sep 18, 2017, 10:59am Top

Our local TV station is worse, Larry. Husband watches TV news in the morning and evening, and if I'm wandering by sometimes I'll see their Pet Adoption segment. Sadistic, it is.

275weird_O
Sep 18, 2017, 11:04am Top

>271 ChelleBearss: >272 karenmarie: I missed the explanation of the list you are generating, Karen. Something Cranswickian. A book for each year of your life? I can't track down the source at Cranswick Central because, of course, he's springing a new thread every couple of days.

Nosey minds want to know.

276karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 12:13pm Top

Hi Bill! It is Cranswickian. It's also been a fun project for me, probably taking upwards of 10-12 hours.

Here's the message from Paul's thread, dated September 12th. I don't remember a reference to it from any of his earlier threads. It just showed up unless I missed something.

Paul's 50 Books

I'm going to publish mine in a little bit. I might add that I didn't look at Paul's list so that it wouldn't influence mine. I'll go back and check his out.

277karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 12:42pm Top

Okay, lovers of lists! I am inspired by Paul Cranswick and his A BOOK A YEAR FOR THE FIRST 50 YEARS OF MY LIFE, see link in previous post.

I was born in 1953, so have 65 entries. The biggest takeaway I get from this list is the number of outstanding books I still need to read - most of the years have outstanding books that I haven't read yet.

2016's A Gentleman in Moscow is still in process, but I know it will be my fav of the year.

1953 Nine Stories by J.D. Salinger
1954 Lord of the Flies by William Golding
1955 The Day Lincoln was Shot by Jim Bishop
1956 The Enormous Egg by Oliver Butterworth
1957 Ordeal by Innocence by Agatha Christie
1958 Anatomy of a Murder by Robert Traver
1959 Hawaii by James Michener
1960 To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
1961 Franny and Zooey by J.D. Salinger
1962 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
1963 Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenters, and Seymour: An Introduction by J.D. Salinger
1964 Up the Down Staircase by Bel Kaufman
1965 The Source by James Michener
1966 Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
1967 Listen to the Warm by Rod McKuen
1968 The Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda
1969 Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
1970 QBVII by Leon Uris
1971 The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty
1972 The Optimist's Daughter by Eudora Welty
1973 W.C. Fields by Himself: His Intended Autobiography with Commentary by Ronald J. Fields
1974 The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara
1975 Crazy Salad by Nora Ephron
1976 Roots by Alex Haley
1977 In Patagonia by Bruce Chatwin
1978 Tutankhamun: The Untold Story by Thomas Hoving
1979 Sophie's Choice by William Styron
1980 A Delicate Arrangement : The Strange Case of Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace by Arnold C.
Brackman
1981 Lucy: the Beginnings of Humankind by Donald C. Johansen
1982 Shoeless Joe by W.P. Kinsella
1983 The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
1984 Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins
1985 Lennon by Ray Coleman
1986 The Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
1987 And the Band Played On: Politics, People and the Aids Epidemic by Randy Shilts
1988 Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson
1989 It's Always Something by Gilda Radner
1990 In Pursuit of the Green Lion by Judith Merkle Riley
1991 Outlander by Diana Gabaldon
1992 The Black Echo by Michael Connelly
1993 The Shipping News by Annie Proulx
1994 Stones from the River by Ursula Hegi
1995 Longitude by Dava Sobel
1996 Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
1997 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
1998 The Professor and the Madman by Simon Winchester
1999 Girl with a Pearl Earring by Tracy Chevalier
2000 Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation by Joseph J. Ellis
2001 Peace Like a River by Leif Enger
2002 Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murukami
2003 A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson
2004 11,000 Years by Peni R. Griffin
2005 The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson
2006 The Road by Cormac McCarthy
2007 The Yiddish Policeman's Union by Michael Chabon
2008 The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer
2009 Under the Dome by Stephen King
2010 Room by Emma Donoghue
2011 11/22/63 by Stephen King
2012 The Light Between Oceans by M.L. Stedman
2013 Z: A Novel of Zelda Fitzgerald by Therese Anne Fowler
2014 The Goldfinch by Donna Tartt
2015 The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers
2016 A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles
2017 Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders

278ChelleBearss
Sep 18, 2017, 12:43pm Top

I still think it is amazing that both you and Paul have read a book for every year that you have been born! I'm sure that if I were to sit and make my list there would be years in which I hadn't read a book published that year

279weird_O
Sep 18, 2017, 12:52pm Top

So ok, you are picking books by the year of publication. That was my real question. All books you have read, though not necessarily read in the pub year.

Interesting list you have contrived. Oh so many I've NOT read, and even a few I'm not heard of. And unknown writers too. Who's this J. D. Salinger person?

I shall do my own list, since I seem to be a listy kind of guy. Mine will necessarily be longer than both yours and Paul's. Can't be any better, though, right?

280jessibud2
Sep 18, 2017, 1:00pm Top

Karen, are these books you have already read or just titles from each year that you want to read?

I was born in the same year as you but from your list, have only actually read 21 of those titles. I saw the movie version, but not read the book, of 5 others. I started but did not finish one other.

281karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 2:42pm Top

>278 ChelleBearss: Hi Chelle! You know, it never occurred to me that there would be a year that I wouldn't be able to find a book. Many years I had so many it was hard to whittle down the list to just one. I changed books on some years as books I remembered slotted in. You will get there - I don't know your exact age, but I bet when I was your age I would have gaps, too.

>279 weird_O: Yes, Bill. I've read every single book on that list. Probably just a few in the year they were published, actually.

Ha. Jerome David Salinger. My hero, NOT for Catcher in the Rye but for everything else he wrote, most especially the Glass family stories.

I'd love to see your list; and as mine was longer than Paul's, yours shall be longer than mine. Totally Excellent. And book lists, like pain, are subjective. There are no absolutes.

>280 jessibud2: Hi Shelley. Yes, I've read every single book on that list. 16 of them more than once, by rough count.

I'd be interested to see your list.

**************

I've been a serious, dedicated, obsessive, and omnivorous reader since I was 8 years old. The only period of time I did not seriously read was from September 1971 until April 1975, when I was in college and reading for school. I think I figured out one time that I read 3, maybe 4 books in that entire period, including holidays, vacations, and summer sessions off.

Oh how I wish I'd kept a life-long reading journal. I only started keeping track since I joined LT and the 75 Books Challenge groups in 2008.

282johnsimpson
Sep 18, 2017, 3:06pm Top

Hi Karen, thank you for your messages my dear, hope you had a great weekend dear friend and hope you are having a good start to the week ahead.

Although I have kept a note of my reading for the last 22 years I wish I had started when I really got into reading at age 8 like you. Sending love and hugs and I will be revealing more on my thread soon.

283jessibud2
Sep 18, 2017, 3:11pm Top

Karen, how and where exactly do you start? I only have records for my reading going back to 1992. Clearly, I've been reading way longer than that, able to read since age 4 but truly reading books on my own since around age 8 or so. It would seem, at first thought, that simply googling books published by year, would be a bit overwhelming.

Gaaah!

284EllaTim
Sep 18, 2017, 4:25pm Top

>277 karenmarie: Hi Karen. Wonderful list!

So interesting, some of your list I've never even heard of. (Will go and check some of those titles out) Lots on my TBR list. One I really hate (sorry). I've read 14 of them.

I started to read seriously when I was 6 and my mother took me and my sister to the library. I even made lists of the books I loved, in 6th grade. But in high school I stopped doing that, too much duty reading.

285FAMeulstee
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 5:02pm Top

>277 karenmarie: Wow, you finished your list, Karen!
I have only read a few of them, and loved some of those. It is always fun to compare these kind of lists.
Mine will be 10 titles shorter ;-)

I started reading when I was 4 years old, kept reading omnivorously until my mid teens, when required reading destroyed the fun of reading. Read some in my twenties and early thirties, but that stopped abrubtly when I had a major breakdown at 33. Due to anti depressants my reading ability vanished and I got back to reading in 2008, when I got onto an other anti depressant and accidently found out I could read again & found LT.
I keep records of my reading since 2008.

286karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 5:32pm Top

>282 johnsimpson: Hi John! You’re welcome. Good weekend, fine day so far. 22 years is something to be proud of! Sending love and hugs to you and Karen – hang in there!

>283 jessibud2: Hi Shelley! 1992? Seriously? Wow. Fantastic. Are those records in a spreadsheet? If so, you can take that spreadsheet and cut and paste the ones you might want on this list into another tab. If not, you can look at your manual lists and put the potentials into a spreadsheet. Then go start finding dates and …..

I started by opening a new spreadsheet and putting “Year” in column A1 and “Title and Author” in column B1. (I’m a very top-down person). Then I went to the Internet and found Goodreads lists of the top 200 books added to Goodreads by year published. There’s a link in my message 249 to one of those lists, and you can change year and “View” to see various years. I looked, from 1953 forward, year by year, for books that I’d read and loved. I also was inspired with other books just by looking at some of those books. I added year and title/author to the spreadsheet. There were years with many books and years with no books. Then I went to the list of books I had created from my 75 group threads – all the books I’ve read since 2008. That list is getting close to 1000 and I'm keeping it current. I identified books that were special, then cut and pasted those books into the Title and Author column. I found the original date of publication in Goodreads, Wikipedia, Amazon, or other (typically an author page somewhere with bibliography), put it into the “Year” column, and then sorted by year then title. If I had more than one book for a year, I picked the one I liked best. Then I added lines with each missing year with a blank line for title and author. Then it was a matter of Goodreads (again), New York Times Best Seller lists by year, Pulitzer prize lists, Nobel winners, Man Booker lists, Wikipedia books by year, etc. and my own books – remembering special books and seeing if they filled in a year or replaced another book. Last resort was to look at my catalog and search (all: xxxx) AND read, where xxxx was an open year and my tag “read”, since I keep track of my books that way. The Date column is frequently the original published date if I own a First edition.

I also tried to remember books that I don’t own but loved (several boxes of favorite books got lost in the mail in 1980 when I returned to CA from CT, as an example). I would get clues by author I loved, or genre, or even from remembering how a specific book affected me.

Not easy, but fun. Not overwhelming because I love lists and spreadsheets.

Definitely a labor of love, one I’m very proud of right now.

>284 EllaTim: Hi Ella! Thank you. I love looking at lists and am glad you enjoyed mine. So, tell me – which book did you hate? I promise that it’s all good – we simply must Agree to Disagree. ATD, as our dear RichardDerus would say.

Ah, duty reading. Innocuous phrase for an ugly, ugly thing. My daughter stopped reading when she was 6 – I could see when reading became home work for her or “duty reading” as you put it.

>285 FAMeulstee: Yes. I had a lot of fun with it, Anita. Ah, a youngster! I’ll look forward to your list next year. I'm sorry you couldn't read for so many years, but you've made up for it I'd say. Me, too, 2008 - the first full year I joined LT.

287Donna828
Sep 18, 2017, 5:30pm Top

>277 karenmarie: What a great list, Karen. I am SO doing this when I have time. Maybe I will wait and make it a project for next year. My book for last year will definitely be A Gentleman in Moscow, too. I loved it! It will probably make my Top Twenty of all-time faves IF I can find one to bump off! I suspect we will share some other favorites. My list will be five years longer than yours...

288karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 5:40pm Top

>287 Donna828: Hi Donna and thank you. I suppose I could make a top twenty of THIS list, although that isn't a top twenty of my favs since I could only chose one book per year. Hmmm. Now you've got me thinking about that.

Have fun!

289jessibud2
Sep 18, 2017, 6:07pm Top

>286 karenmarie: - Well, in case you haven't noticed, I am the very definition of *low tech*. I have no clue about spreadsheets. I have always loved those little books of handmade paper and began to use those to record my reading, years ago. I only write the authors and book titles (not reviews) but it's a handy way of keeping track when, during the course of conversations, I find myself blanking on a book's title or author (happens more and more....!). Anyhow, I will go back and read your message, above, with those instructions, tomorrow morning when I am alert. I am heading out now to yoga and my mind will be far too *relaxed* when I get home to focus on techie stuff, lol!

290karenmarie
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 6:29pm Top

>289 jessibud2: ... the very definition of *low tech*. LOL.

The older I get, the less I like writing out things by hand. Sheer laziness.

291ffortsa
Sep 18, 2017, 6:51pm Top

Oh, I haven't been here in too long. Sorry, and thanks for your occasional visits to my thread. I'll skim through and catch up soon.

292weird_O
Edited: Sep 18, 2017, 7:44pm Top

>283 jessibud2: >286 karenmarie: I'm mixing old and new technologies, high tech and low. I'm blaming you, Karen, by the way. Spent several hours on this already.

I made a list of the years in Google Docs (which is a lot like Word but runs on both my Apple or my Toshiba. It stores the file in Google's cloud, so I can access and edit the file with either computer.)

I looked first at the list of Pulitzer winners that I've read and copied them. But it left me with a lot of blanks, and also with residual guilt that I was listing a book in the year it won, which often is a year after it was published. The horror!

I noodled at Wiki and eventually discovered the search term "#### in literature", (in which you type in the year instead of ####) which brings up a page of data that includes titles published that year (no, not every title) in fiction, poetry, drama, and nonfiction. Working with a pad of paper and a pencil, I've been jotting down titles, year by year, making a short-list for each year. I'm up to 1970.

1956 is the one bad year, so far. Only one candidate (Seize the Day by Saul Bellow), not my favorite.

I think I'll post my short-list books decade by decade. Yes, yes, on my own thread. :-) Thanks to you and Paul for this good idea you brandished in my face.




293nittnut
Sep 18, 2017, 10:21pm Top

Hi Karen... *wanders through, dodging all talk of obsessive list making*

Happy almost Tuesday!

294m.belljackson
Sep 18, 2017, 10:23pm Top

>277 karenmarie:

You may have to start a bunch of new Threads for all the responses to The Paul and Karenmarie Lists.

In 1944, my birth year 73 years ago, two books that work strongly for 2016:

Fascism: What it is and How to Fight It - Trotsky

and Why Don't We Learn from History - Hart

Too heavy for me now still immersed in PAPAL SIN,

but I have read Zwerger's Bremen Town Musicians and Lawson's Rabbit Hill!

295msf59
Sep 19, 2017, 6:35am Top

>277 karenmarie: That is awesome! If I can find a block of free time, I might try that myself. Glad you supplied instructions up there. Smiles.

Morning, Karen! Have a good day!

296EllaTim
Sep 19, 2017, 6:37am Top

>286 karenmarie: The one book I can't stand is Lord of the Flies.
It's such a bleak and pessimistic view of human nature, I prefer hoping for the best, and Yes, I have been called naive.

You have been very thorough, in researching your list, Wow!

297harrygbutler
Sep 19, 2017, 7:18am Top

>277 karenmarie: Quite the list, Karen! As my reading preferences run largely earlier, I doubt I'll try a similar exercise. Have a terrific Tuesday!

298thornton37814
Sep 19, 2017, 9:11am Top

>259 karenmarie: Love the cat pic! (Yes, I'm behind and catching up!)

299karenmarie
Sep 19, 2017, 9:28am Top

>291 ffortsa: Hi Judy! No problem. Nice to see you. I hope you’re doing well.

>292 weird_O: Well, Bill, I have broad shoulders and will take whatever blame you’re dishing. *smile*

You’re doing an excellent job – finding the ‘easy’ ones, then digging deep for others.

I’ll look forward to seeing your list for sure. I love that picture of the laughing seals!

>293 nittnut: Hi Jenn! Obsessive but fun. You’re busy, I know. I’m wondering how much time I might have allotted to this project before retirement, but come to the same sad conclusion – I would probably have spent the same amount of time. However, it would, by necessity, have taken much longer. Thank you, and I’ve had half a cup of coffee already on Actual Tuesday!

>294 m.belljackson: Hi Marianne! I’ve been gratified at the response, for sure. I’ve read about 9% nonfiction in the last 10 years. I haven’t read any of the four books you’ve mentioned.

>295 msf59: Thanks, Mark! The instructions are not laid out like I would normally document something – I never thought to make them official or anything! Paul probably already had that data to hand and a record of his reading going back decades. I’m not nearly that organized.

>296 EllaTim: Ella, I didn’t particularly like Lord of the Flies, but I read it in high school for an English class and it was one of those books that had a huge impact on me. Especially later, when I minored in sociology in college, it kept coming to mind. Well written, increasing tension, little steps that lead to big tragedies.

Optimistic is good. Naïve can get you into trouble sometimes though!

>297 harrygbutler: Hi Harry! So many of my favorites are from before I was born. Jane Austen and Dorothy Sayers come to mind immediately.

>298 thornton37814: Hi Lori! Thanks for visiting. I sure do love my kitties.

300karenmarie
Sep 19, 2017, 9:52am Top

Time for thread The Ninth! Give me a few minutes on the new one to set up, then I'll be open for business!

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