Defeat into Victory: Battling Japan in Burma and India, 1942–1945
by William Slim
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Field Marshal Viscount Slim (1891-1970) led shattered British forces from Burma to India in one of the lesser-known but more nightmarish retreats of World War II. He then restored his army's fighting capabilities and morale with virtually no support from home and counterattacked. His army's slaughter of Japanese troops ultimately liberated India and Burma. The first edition of "Defeat into Victory", published in 1956, was an immediate sensation selling 20,000 copies within a few days. This show more is an updated version with a new introduction by David W. Hogan Jr. show lessTags
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chrisharpe For a soldier's eye view of the latter part of Slim's account, you can't do better than George MacDonald Fraser's superb memoir.
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I've read a fair number of general's memoirs, and Slim's is one of the most humanistic and readable. Transferred to Burma in 1942, Slim arrived to an army in administrative disarray and an overwhelming Japanese assault that turned into a near-rout. Through perseverance and energy, Slim managed to hold the line in India, rebuild his army, learn how to fight the Japanese, and then counter-attack. Few other Allied generals of the war experienced such immense swings in fortune.
The best parts of the book are how incredibly British Slim is, and a glimpse into the polyglot, colonial army of the British Empire, with Brits, Indians of hundreds of tribes and castes, and Africans all fighting alongside Americans, Chinese, and miscellaneous members show more of the commonwealth. Next are the observations on command, organizational spirit and morale, and the management of an army at the end of the most shoe-string logistics system an army has ever had to operate with.
Slim has few kind words for the Japanese (at one point he describes them as "the finest military insect on the planet"), but he admires the tenacity of their ordinary soldier, while critiquing the blind aggressiveness of their commanders, and the brutality inflicted on prisoners and the Burmese population. This is only fair; the Imperial Japanese Army were some of the worst war criminals this planet has ever seen, and Slim's thoughts about their command structure and penchant for atrocities are only too true. If casually genteel racism of the mid-20th century sort is a deal-breaker, this is not the book for you.
As with most books of this type, the worst part are the battles, and endless lists of divisions and corps attacking various towns. To be honest, I could never keep track of the battle, although some of the maps later in the book proved quite helpful. Part of me wished for a little bit more context on Slim's life, and his role in the Indian Army in the interwar years, but he wasn't the type to talk about himself like that.
In closing, a fascinating look at a forgotten theater of war, and a humble memoir from an able soldier. show less
The best parts of the book are how incredibly British Slim is, and a glimpse into the polyglot, colonial army of the British Empire, with Brits, Indians of hundreds of tribes and castes, and Africans all fighting alongside Americans, Chinese, and miscellaneous members show more of the commonwealth. Next are the observations on command, organizational spirit and morale, and the management of an army at the end of the most shoe-string logistics system an army has ever had to operate with.
Slim has few kind words for the Japanese (at one point he describes them as "the finest military insect on the planet"), but he admires the tenacity of their ordinary soldier, while critiquing the blind aggressiveness of their commanders, and the brutality inflicted on prisoners and the Burmese population. This is only fair; the Imperial Japanese Army were some of the worst war criminals this planet has ever seen, and Slim's thoughts about their command structure and penchant for atrocities are only too true. If casually genteel racism of the mid-20th century sort is a deal-breaker, this is not the book for you.
As with most books of this type, the worst part are the battles, and endless lists of divisions and corps attacking various towns. To be honest, I could never keep track of the battle, although some of the maps later in the book proved quite helpful. Part of me wished for a little bit more context on Slim's life, and his role in the Indian Army in the interwar years, but he wasn't the type to talk about himself like that.
In closing, a fascinating look at a forgotten theater of war, and a humble memoir from an able soldier. show less
A friend sent me a copy of Field Marshal Bill Slim’s Defeat Into Victory. It has always been on my list of books I’d like to read, but somehow I’d never quite got round to acquiring a copy. The version I have is a reading copy of the original edition, with fold out maps all through it.
The reading style is very engaging and easy to read, especially if you have the space to fold out the map at the end of the chapter so that you can follow all the places when they appear in the narrative. It was the first time I’d read about the ebb and flow of the war in Burma (even though my grandfather drove a DUKW out there). So I found it very
interesting, the nature of warfare was hugely different that both Europe and North Africa (and I show more suspect even the Pacific Islands). In some respects the war fought in Burma was more like recent modern wars with low troop densities, long logistics tails and a massive reliance on air power.
The other engaging bit about the book was that Slim shows you the development of the army from a road bound Western linear fighting force into an all arms, all round defence, jungle fighting machine. In the beginning the British Army is out of its depth and way beyond the ken of its commanders or troops. The Japanese have infiltration tactics that the British just can’t cope with, and are so stubborn in defence that they cannot be shifted when they gain a hold. The British just dissolve and retreat rapidly out of the way (mostly).
It isn’t just a story of the British Army, as well as colonial forces (Indians and Africans mostly) there is also the alliance warfare aspect of the war. He liaises with Vinegar Joe Stillwell and the Chinese Army too.
Later, the British manage to shorten their lines of communication, build defences and work out how to deal with the Japanese. Once they do, then the tables turn, although it takes much stubborn fighting to shift the enemy. There is a good narrative that explains the constraints the 14th Army was operating under, the logistics challenges and how these were overcome and also the details of the operations. Occasionally there are little personal vignettes of visits to the front, or reports of battles.
One of the things I noted was the commentary on how few prisoners were taken, mostly it was a grim fight to the death by both sides. A typical note on a Japanese attack was that there was one prisoner taken and 600 Japanese bodies recovered from the 14th Army positions.
However, great as all this is, the last section of the book is the best. In the last chapter Slim gives his opinions on why things turned out the way that they did and also on what he draws as lessons for the future. Given that this was written in 1957 he has a lot to say that I think was quite prescient about current operations (and it might also have been right for the post-nuclear exchange as well, but thankfully we’ve avoided that).
The thing I do wonder, is why are all our operational games about the European war? The furthest East we manage is the Russian front, when there is whole load of interesting stuff going on out in the Far East. I suspect I may well return to this when I have some time to sort out another game design. show less
The reading style is very engaging and easy to read, especially if you have the space to fold out the map at the end of the chapter so that you can follow all the places when they appear in the narrative. It was the first time I’d read about the ebb and flow of the war in Burma (even though my grandfather drove a DUKW out there). So I found it very
interesting, the nature of warfare was hugely different that both Europe and North Africa (and I show more suspect even the Pacific Islands). In some respects the war fought in Burma was more like recent modern wars with low troop densities, long logistics tails and a massive reliance on air power.
The other engaging bit about the book was that Slim shows you the development of the army from a road bound Western linear fighting force into an all arms, all round defence, jungle fighting machine. In the beginning the British Army is out of its depth and way beyond the ken of its commanders or troops. The Japanese have infiltration tactics that the British just can’t cope with, and are so stubborn in defence that they cannot be shifted when they gain a hold. The British just dissolve and retreat rapidly out of the way (mostly).
It isn’t just a story of the British Army, as well as colonial forces (Indians and Africans mostly) there is also the alliance warfare aspect of the war. He liaises with Vinegar Joe Stillwell and the Chinese Army too.
Later, the British manage to shorten their lines of communication, build defences and work out how to deal with the Japanese. Once they do, then the tables turn, although it takes much stubborn fighting to shift the enemy. There is a good narrative that explains the constraints the 14th Army was operating under, the logistics challenges and how these were overcome and also the details of the operations. Occasionally there are little personal vignettes of visits to the front, or reports of battles.
One of the things I noted was the commentary on how few prisoners were taken, mostly it was a grim fight to the death by both sides. A typical note on a Japanese attack was that there was one prisoner taken and 600 Japanese bodies recovered from the 14th Army positions.
However, great as all this is, the last section of the book is the best. In the last chapter Slim gives his opinions on why things turned out the way that they did and also on what he draws as lessons for the future. Given that this was written in 1957 he has a lot to say that I think was quite prescient about current operations (and it might also have been right for the post-nuclear exchange as well, but thankfully we’ve avoided that).
The thing I do wonder, is why are all our operational games about the European war? The furthest East we manage is the Russian front, when there is whole load of interesting stuff going on out in the Far East. I suspect I may well return to this when I have some time to sort out another game design. show less
Not only the best memoir from a British commander of WWII, but also one of the best leadership books. Slim's self awareness is apprent on every page; he makes no attempt to hide his errors and refuses to take more than his share of credit. This is not false modesty, his actions and the effect they had on the 14th Army speak for themselves: he always put his men first and it is they that he credits with forging victory.
The account of Field Marshal Bill Slim's 14th army's retreat from and then defeat of the Japanese in Burma in WWII. It is an interesting story overall, but this is a General's point of view, and most of the book discusses logistics, political problems, and strategic goals. It is quite dry and relatively anecdote poor. The author has the racist views of the Japanese that were common at the time among the allied forces. He also discusses the behavioral traits of the various ethnic groups under his command including, Indians, Gorkhas, Chinese, Sikhs, British, and Burmans, especially in a vignette describing an incident where he came under fire while among enlisted men and imagined how they would each react to his being wounded. There is a show more sad comment that I had never heard, about how General MacArthur, in an action typical of his narcissism, refused to let the Brits move to save their prisoners of war until after he had ceremoniously accepted the Japanese surrender in Japan. The several day postponement almost certainly led to the death of some prisoners. I would recommend this to you if you have a special interest in this particular story or theatre of war, but not otherwise. show less
Well written and interesting account by Great Britain's best WW2 field commander, William Slim. His battlefield and logistics management skills enabled his resource-limited forces to drive the Japanese from Burma. A Gurkha general much as Wellington; who was derided by Napolean as a sepoy general; both were the best British generals of their wars.
According to the historian Robin Neillands, "Wellesley had by now acquired the experience on which his later successes were founded. He knew about command from the ground up, about the importance of logistics, about campaigning in a hostile environment.. Above all, he had gained a clear idea of how, by setting attainable objectives and relying on his own force and abilities, a campaign could show more be fought and won. This would be apt for describing Slim and he did it with very slim resources and primarily Indian soldiers. Slim often reflected n how frequently and by how much his plans changed but his battles objective rarely did.
It is amusing as well as pertinent to note that when Slim had to reduce his forces, during logistically difficult times, he sent out the Brits and kept the locals because of their lesser support requirements. He would have had similar concerns about Montgomery and many American generals. show less
According to the historian Robin Neillands, "Wellesley had by now acquired the experience on which his later successes were founded. He knew about command from the ground up, about the importance of logistics, about campaigning in a hostile environment.. Above all, he had gained a clear idea of how, by setting attainable objectives and relying on his own force and abilities, a campaign could show more be fought and won. This would be apt for describing Slim and he did it with very slim resources and primarily Indian soldiers. Slim often reflected n how frequently and by how much his plans changed but his battles objective rarely did.
It is amusing as well as pertinent to note that when Slim had to reduce his forces, during logistically difficult times, he sent out the Brits and kept the locals because of their lesser support requirements. He would have had similar concerns about Montgomery and many American generals. show less
I knew little about this theatre of WW II but this volume gives a complete over view of the what took place in Burma. India was threaten but the Japanese never actually cross the border. Slim covers every battle from the moment he became involved in 1942 until VJ day and the clean up after.
Slim writes a very refreshing memoir in that he freely admits errors he made that led to defeats or delays in victory. He also points out times when he disagreed with his superiors and then in the end they were correct in their decisions. He spent time with Vinegar Joe Stilwell and Brig. Orde Wingate and goes into the conflicts that arose between them. He is very critical of Generalissimo Chaing Kai-shek and how he was more concerned about retaining show more power than fighting the Japanese. He concludes with an analysis of how war will be fought in the future (he wrote this in 1956) and how air transport will be an important factor. He never mentions helicopters but he sure was correct about air transport being a huge factor in how future wars will be fought.
he one aspect of this theatre of war is what the front line soldier experienced. While Slim does give much credit to what these men overcame, he experienced limited moments on the front lines and he was more focused on presenting the over all picture. Now to find a memoir of a solder who fought in Burma. show less
Slim writes a very refreshing memoir in that he freely admits errors he made that led to defeats or delays in victory. He also points out times when he disagreed with his superiors and then in the end they were correct in their decisions. He spent time with Vinegar Joe Stilwell and Brig. Orde Wingate and goes into the conflicts that arose between them. He is very critical of Generalissimo Chaing Kai-shek and how he was more concerned about retaining show more power than fighting the Japanese. He concludes with an analysis of how war will be fought in the future (he wrote this in 1956) and how air transport will be an important factor. He never mentions helicopters but he sure was correct about air transport being a huge factor in how future wars will be fought.
he one aspect of this theatre of war is what the front line soldier experienced. While Slim does give much credit to what these men overcame, he experienced limited moments on the front lines and he was more focused on presenting the over all picture. Now to find a memoir of a solder who fought in Burma. show less
Defeat into Victory is simply the finest memoir by a GO that I have ever read, and one of the best ever. Slim manages to avoid any sense of self-justification, and instead clearly analyzes both his accomplishments as 14 Army Commander, and his shortcomings. For those interested in the Burma theater, I also recommend The Road Past Mandalay, by John Masters, who served as a staff officer and brigade commander during the British campaigns there.
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- Defeat into Victory: Battling Japan in Burma and India, 1942–1945
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- 1956
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- William Slim, 1st Viscount Slim; Orde Wingate; Joseph Stilwell; Chiang Kai-shek
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- Burma; India; Japan; Southeast Asia
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- World War II (1939 | 1945); World War II, Pacific Theater (1941-12-07 | 1945-09-02); Burma Campaign (1942 | 1945)
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- It was good fun commanding a division in the Iraq desert. It is good fun commanding a division anywhere.
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- (Click to show. Warning: May contain spoilers.)It was they who turned Defeat into Victory.
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