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Joe's Book Cafe 17

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75 Books Challenge for 2019

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1jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 12:21pm Top









Portraits by Amy Sherald

Welcome back to the cafe!

2jnwelch
Edited: Nov 10, 11:09am Top

Books Read in 2019

Touchstone = particularly good

January

1. Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett (re-read on audio)
2. Sooner or Later Everything Falls Into the Sea by Sarah Pinsker
3. An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon
4. The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo
5. One Hundred Poems from the Japanese by Kenneth Rexroth
6. Happiness by Aminatta Forna
7. Milkman by Anna Burns
8. Revenant Gun by Yoon Ha Lee
9. The Mortal Word by Genevieve Cogman
10. Nerve by Dick Francis
11. Killer Collective by Barry Eisler
12. Little Oceans by Tony Hoagland
13. Tales from the Inner City by Shaun Tan
14. The Calculating Stars by Mary Robinette Kowal
15. The Promise by Chaim Potok
16. Auntie Poldi and the Sicilian Lions by Mario Giordano

February

17. Lord of the Butterflies by Andrea Gibson
18. Out of the Dark by Gregg Hurwitz
19. Forfeit by Dick Francis
20. One Good Turn by Kate Atkinson
21. Last Friends by Jane Gardam
22. Educated by Tara Westover
23. The Madness Vaseby Andrea Gibson
24. The Overnight Kidnapper by Andrea Camilleri
22. Amelia Cole Omnibus by D.J. Kirkbride*
23. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin by Terrance Hayes
24. Black Leopard, Red Wolf by Marlon James
25. The Book of Boy by Catherine Gilbert Murdock

March

26. Battle Angel Alita by Yukiko Kishiro*
27. Harbor Me by Jacqueline Woodson
28. Decider by Dick Francis (re-read)
29. Bryant & May Hall of Mirrors by Christopher Fowler
30. Darker Than Amber by John D. MacDonald
31. One Fearful Yellow Eye by John D. MacDonald
32. Slow Horses by Mick Herron
33. A Gentlewoman’s Guide To Murder by Victoria Hamilton
34. Recent Changes in the Vernacular by Tony Hoagland
35. Alice Payne Arrives by Kate Heartfield
36. Wolf Pack A Joe Pickett Novel by C.J. Box
37. Murder in Just Cause by Anne Cleeland
38. On the Come Up by Angie Thomas
39. Trial Run by Dick Francis
40. When My Brother Was An Aztec by Natalie Diaz
41. Connections in Death by J.D. Robb
42. How Long Til Black Future Month by N.K. Jemisin

April

43. Tap Out by Edward Kunz
44. The Essex Serpent by Sarah Perry
45. Passing for Human by Jody Scott*
46. The Fated Sky by Mary Robinette Kowal
47. My Sister, the Serial Killer by Oyinkan Braithwaite
48. Indecency by Justin Phillip Reed
49. Frida Kahlo: An Illustrated Life by Maria Hesse*
50. The Initiates by Etienne Davodeau
51. Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz
52. Number9Dream by David Mitchell
53. When Will There Be Good News by Kate Atkinson
54. An Elegant Defense by Matt Richdel
55. Started Early, Took My Dog by Kate Atkinson
56. Faro's Daughter by Georgette Heyer

May

57. The Rosie Result by Graeme Simision
58. The Truth as Told By Mason Buttle by Leslie Connor
59. Notes from a Small Island by Bill Bryson
60. Sharks in the Rivers by Ada Limon
61. Sync by K.P. Kyle
62. Pachinko by Min Jin Lee
63. Reflex by Dick Francis
64. Museum of Mistakes by Julia Wertz*
65. Reality is Not What it Seems by Carlo Rovelli
66. The Stranger Diaries by Elly Griffiths
67. With the Fire On High by Elizabeth Acevedo
68. Rapture by Carol Ann Duffy
69. Dress Her in Indigo by John D. MacDonald
70. Talisman Ring by Georgette Heyer
71. Drive Here and Devastate Me by Megan Falley

June

72. Demon Breed by James H. Schmitz
73. The War I Finally Won by Kimberly Brubaker BradleHow
74. How to Find Love in a Book Shop by Veronica Henry
75. The Stone Circle by Elly Griffiths
76. The Heavens by Sandra Newman
77. The Long Take by Robin Robertson
78. Storm Cursed by Patricia Briggs
79. The Darwin Affair by Tim Mason
80. Ghosts in the Schoolyard by Eve Ewing
81. How to Love a Country by Richard Blanco
82. The Alice Network by Kate Quinn
83. The Masqueraders by Georgette Heyer
84. The Rest of the Story by Sarah Dessen
85. Diary of a Bookseller by Shaun Blythell
86. Rat Race by Dick Francis
87. Malice A Mystery by Keigo Higashino
88. The Miraculous Journey of Edward Tulane by Kate DiCamillo

July

89. Big Sky by Kate Atkinson
90. Time of Death by J.D. Robb
91. A Study in Honor by Claire O’Dell
92. The Sentence is Death by Anthony Horowitz
93. False Colours by Georgette Heyer
94. X-23 The Complete Collection Volume 2 by Marjorie M. Liu*
95. Monument: Poems New and Selected by Natasha Trethewey
96. Pride, Prejudice and Other Flavors by Sonali Dev
97. Jazz by Toni Morison
98. For Everyone by Jason Reynolds
99. Bones of the Earth by Eliot Pattison
100. Recursion by Blake Crouch
101. The Great Believers by Rebecca Makkai

August

102. Lanny by Max Porter
103. Queen of the Sea by Dylan Meconis*
104. The Reprieve by Jean-Pierre Gibrat*
105. Anatomy of a Murder by Robert Traver
106. Miracle of Dunkirk by Walter Lord
107. The Transmigration of Bodies by Yuri Herrera
108. Eternity Selected Poems by Tracy K. Smith
109. The Cookcamp by Gary Paulsen
110. The Dispatcher by John Scalzi
111. A Study in Scarlet Women by Sherry Thomas
112. Book of Hours by Kevin Young
113. Dream of My Return by Horacio Castellanos Moya
114. Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang
115. The Long Lavender Look by John D. Macdonald
116. The Incendiaries by R.O. Kwon
117. Please by Jericho Brown
118. Hollow Kingdom by Kira Jane Buxton
119. They Called Us Enemy by George Takei*
120. Hound of Justice by Claire O’Dell
121. Falling Awake Poems by Alice Oswald
122. Break In by Dick Francis
123. The Lost Man by Jane Harper

September

124. Finding Dorothy by Elizabeth Letts
125. Straight by Dick Francis
126. Odds Against by Dick Francis
127. To the Hilt by Dick Francis
128. Whip Hand by Dick Francis
129. Come to Grief by Dick Francis
130. Danger by Dick Francis
131. Decider by Dick Francis
132. Vendetta in Death by J.D. Robb
133. The Unkindest Tide by Seanan McGuire
134. I Am Not Your Perfect Mexican Daughter by Erika L. Sanchez
135. To Be Taught, If Fortunate by Becky Chambers
136. Murder in the Blood by Anne Cleeland
137. Shattered Warrior by Sharon Shinn*
138. Mythos by Stephen Fry
139. The Other End of the LIne by Andrea Camilleri
140. Oceanic by Aimee Nezhukumatathil
141. Come Closer and Listen by Charles Simic
142. Sweet Tooth Deluxe Edition Book Three by Jeff Lemire*
143. Before the Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi
144. 1919 by Eve Ewing
145. Land of Wolves by Craig Johnson (Longmire)

October

146. Magical Negro by Morgan Parker
147. Lazarus Third Collection by Greg Rucka*
148. SLAY by Brittney Morris
149. Fortune's Favor by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller (Liaden)
150. Shout of Honor by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller (Liaden)
151. Halfling Moon by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller (")
152. Misfits by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller (")
153. Skyblaze by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller (")
154. Eidolon by "" "" ""
155. Technical Details by "" "" ""
156. Legacy Systems by "" "" ""
157. The Caribbean Mystery by Agatha Christie
158. Bob by Wendy Mass and Rebecca Stead
159. The Flowers of Vashnoi by Lois McMaster Bujold
160. With Stars Underfoot by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
161. Heirs to Trouble by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
162. A Fortune for Your Disaster by Haruf Abdurrraqib
163. Red at the Bone by Jacqueline Woodson
164. Bolt by Dick Francis
165. Friday Black by Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah
166. Don't Eat Me by Colin Cotterill
167. Courier Run by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
168. Record of a Night Too Brief by Hiromi Kawakami
169. Blue Moon A Jack Reacher Novel by Lee Child

November

170. The Can Opener's Daughter by Rob Davis*
171. The Broom of the System by David Foster Wallace
172. Orphans Truth by Roberto Rechhio*
173. Third Girl by Agatha Christie
174. Sleeping with the Enemy by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
175. Maggy Garrisson by Lewis Trondheim*
176. Shattered by Dick Francis
177. Night Boat to Tangier by Kevin Barry

Illustrated Books

1. Jane Austen's Emma by Nancy Butler
2. Snotgirl by Bryan Lee O'Malley
3. Girl Town by Carolyn Nowak
4. On a Sunbeam by Tillie Walden
5. Livestock by Hannah Berry
6. Tom's Midnight Garden by Phillipa Pearce and Edith
7. Anne of Green Gables A Graphic Novel by Mariah Marsden
8. Quiet Girl in a Noisy World by Debbie Tung
9. The Girl from the Other Side Vol. 4 by Nagabe
10. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Reckoning by Joss Whedon
11. Space Boy Vol. 1 by Stephen Macranie
12. The Girl from the Other Side Vol. 5 by Nagabe
13. New Lone Wolf and Cub Volume 2 by Kazuo Koike
14. Book Love by Debbie Tung
15. Royal City Vol. 3 by Jeff Lemire
16. The Snooty Bookshop by Tom Gauld
17. The Day the Buddha Woke Up by Andrea Miller
18. A Bride's Story Vol. 10 by Kaoru Mori
19. Jane Austen Her Heart Did Whisper by Manuela Santoni
20. Legacy: House of Night by Daniel Krall
21. The Love Bunglers by Jaime Hernandez
22. Stumptown by Greg Rucka (re-read)
23. Becoming Unbecoming by Una
24. Velvet Volume 1 by Ed Brubaker (re-read)
25. Mina vs. the Monsoon by Rukhsanna Guidroz
26. Woman World by Aminder Dahliwal
27. Samaris by Benoit Peeters
28. Velvet Volume 2 by Ed Brubaker (re-read)
29. Stumptown Volume 2 by Greg Rucka (re-read)
30. Lulu Anew by Etienne Davodeau
31. Heavy Vinyl by Carly Usdin
32. Captain Marvel Alien Nation by Margaret Stohl
33. Be Prepared by Vera Brosgol
34. Trish Trash Roller Girl of Mars by Jessica Abel
35. Weatherman by Jody LeHeup
36. Death or Glory Volume 1 by Rick Remender
37. Berlin by Jason Lutes
38. The Initiates by Etienne Davodeau
39. Is This How You See Me by Jaime Hernandez
40. Good Talk by Mira Jacob
41. Brody's Ghost by Mark Krilley
42. Out of This World: Leonora Carrington by Amanda Hall
43. X-23 The Complete Collection by David Lafuente
44. The Outfit by Darwyn Cooke (re-read)
45. Black Hammer Vol. 2 by Jeff Lemire
46. Black Hammer Vol. 3 by Jeff Lemire
47. American Gods Volume 2 by Neil Gaiman
48. Road to Riverdale Volume 1 by Fiona Staples
49. Road to Riverdale Volume 2 by Fiona Staples
50. Gideon Falls Volume 1 by Jeff Lemire
51. Gideon Falls Volume 2 by Jeff Lemire
52. Upgrade Soul by Ezra Clatan
53. Lost at Sea by Bryan Lee O'Malley
54. What a Wonderful World by Inio Asano
55. Black Hammer Volume 3 by Jeff Lemire
56. The Dark Tower: Gunslinger by Stephen King
57. Frida Kahlo: An Illustrated Life by Maria Hesse
58. Witchblade Volume 1 by Caitlyn Kittredge
59. New Kid by Jerry Craft
60. Tales Designed to Thrizzle by Michael Kupperman
61. Stumptown Vol. 3 by Greg Rucka (re-read)
62. Blackbird Volume 1 by Sam Humphries
63. Thor: The Goddess of Thunder by Jason Aron
64. All New Hawkeye by Jeff Lemire
65. Isola by Brendan Fletcher
66. Archie by Mark Waid
67. The Wisdom of Wonder Woman (collected)
68. 47 Ronin by Stan Saka
69. Firefly: The Unification War by Greg Pak
70. Girl from the Other Side Vol. 5 by Nagabe
71. Nancy Drew Palace of Wisdom by Kelly Thompson
72. The Hunter by Darwyn Cooke (re-read)
73, The Score by Darwyn Cooke (re-read)
74. Flight of the Raven by Jean-Pierre Gibrat
75. Sweet Tooth Deluxe Edition Volume 2 by Jeff Lemire
76. Icaro Book 2 by Moebius and Taniguchi
77. Criminal: Lawless by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips (re-read)
78. Joyride by Jackson Lanzing
79. The Girl from the Other Side Vol. 6by Nagabe
80. Philip K. Dick NBM Comics by Laurent Queyssi
81. Stumptown Volume 4 by Greg Rucka (re-read)
82. Kill or Be Killed Volume 4 by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips
83. Sleeper 2 by Ed Brubaker
84. Under the Moon: A Catwoman Tale by Lauren Myracle
85. The Magic Order by Mark Millar
86. Criminal Wrong Place, Wrong Time by Ed Brubaker
87. Bttm Fdrs by Ezra Clayton Daniels
88. Blue Monday by Chynna Clugston Flores
89. Invincible Iron Man: Ironheart Riri by Brian Bendis
90. Altered Carbon Download Blues by Richard Morgan
91. Ironheart Those with Courage by Eve Ewing
92. Invincible Iron Man Ironheart Choices by Brian Bendis
93. Generation Zero We Are the Future by Fred Van Lente
94. Doctor Who The Thirteenth Doctor by Jody Houser
95. The Graveyard Book Volume 1 by Neil Gaiman (re-read)
96. Moon Called Volume One by Patricia Briggs
97. Catwoman Copycats by Joelle Jones
98. This Was Our Pact by Ryan Andrews
99. Middlewest Book 1 by Skottie Young
100. Jessica Jones Purple Daughter by Kelly Thompson
101. Old Man Logan by Jeff Lemire
102. Batwoman Volume 4 by J.H. WIlliams
103. Pumpkinheads by Rainbow Rowell
104. Silk Vol. 0: The Life and Times of Cindy Moon by Robbie Thompson
105. Skyward by Richard Evelyn Byrd
106. Summit by Amy Chu
107. Abbott by Saladin Ahmed
108. The Sinners by Ed Brubaker
109. Die Fantasy Heartbreaker by Kieron Gillen
110. Whiteout Compendium by Greg Rucka
111. The Graveyard Book Volume Two by Neil Gaiman and P. Craig Russell
112. The Nobody by Jeff Lemire

3jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 12:10pm Top



Rafa and Jesse smushing grapes yesterday at the Pumpkin Patch

4jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 2:07pm Top



Joe and Debbi in the Leeds Castle garden

5jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 3:02pm Top

Favorite Books of 2019

The Long Take by Robin Robertson
Milkman by Anna Burns
The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo
With the Fire on High by Elizabeth Acevedo
Lord of the Butterflies by Andrea Gibson
Tap Out by Edgar Kunz
Pachinko by Min Jin Lee
The Alice Network by Kate Quinn
Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horowitz
The Rosie Result by Graeme Simsion
Pride, Prejudice and Other Flavors by Sonali Dev
Anatomy of a Murder by Robert Traver
Hollow Kingdom by Kira Jane Buxton
They Called Us Enemy by George Takei
Mythos by Stephen Fry



Overall favorite so far: Good Talk by Mira Jacob

6jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 12:17pm Top



Artist Amy Sherald and a portrait

7FAMeulstee
Edited: Oct 20, 2:23pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

>1 jnwelch: You found some amazing toppers, Amy Sherald paints beautiful portraits.

>3 jnwelch: >4 jnwelch: Lovely family pictures.

8ronincats
Oct 20, 2:30pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe!

9karenmarie
Oct 20, 2:34pm Top

Happy new thread from me, too, Joe!

10johnsimpson
Oct 20, 3:28pm Top

Happy new thread Joe, hope you and Debbi are having a really good weekend, sending love and hugs to both of you from both of us dear friends.

11quondame
Oct 20, 3:47pm Top

Happy new thread!

>1 jnwelch: I hadn't realized before how much the portrait of Michelle Obama made her background to her dress and how disturbing that is, but the set of portraits intensifies the effect.

12figsfromthistle
Oct 20, 4:57pm Top

Happy new one!

13richardderus
Oct 20, 5:31pm Top

Oooohhhh, Amy Sherald! Stellar choice indeed for your new thread.

14benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 20, 7:15pm Top

I got an incredible bargain this weekend. I went up to Birmingham to get my TSA Precheck paperwork done and on the way home stopped to see what Sur La Table had on their bargain sale racks. Low and behold, there were two 2500 Vitamix blenders marked down from $499 to $399. I did not buy them, but the more I thought about it the more I decided I should purchase one because Who ever sees Vitamix blenders on sale!? I drove back yesterday and purchased one. Then, after a visit to the Yarn Shop, I decided that I should buy the other one for my sister. When I got there the store clerk was nice enough to point out to me that the display model was also marked down and that this last weekend was an extra 30% off. I got the second blender for $270. I am not sure about the math on this purchase but the receipt says that is what was charged to my credit card account - so I’m happy.

I cleaned off part of my counter and set up my blender this afternoon. Now I only have to get my yogurt and make my Smoothie for tomorrow. I eat Smoothies for breakfast every morning so this blender will get used and I got a great Christmas gift for my sister.

15msf59
Oct 20, 8:11pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe! I hope you had a great Sunday! Awful Bears loss,right?

16luvamystery65
Oct 20, 8:14pm Top

Howdy Joe! Love the pic of Rafa. Love the gallery up top.

17quondame
Oct 20, 9:17pm Top

>14 benitastrnad: Your sister is very lucky to get such a good share of your luck!

18jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 9:23pm Top

>7 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita! Isn't Amy Sherald terrific?
I'm glad you like the family photos. I hope to get a few more up in the coming days.

>8 ronincats: Thanks, Roni!

>9 karenmarie: Thanks from me, too, Karen!

>10 johnsimpson: Thanks, John! Love and hugs to you and Karen. I hope you both had a great weekend.

>11 quondame: Thanks, Susan! The clothes are always important in Amy Sherald's portraits, aren't they.

>12 figsfromthistle: Thanks, Anita!

>13 richardderus: Thanks, Richard! I love her art, too.

>14 benitastrnad: Glad to hear it, Benita.

>15 msf59: Hey, buddy. Thank goodness, we were at the Ladysmith Black Mambazo concert tonight, and I only saw the early part of the Bears game - including that wonderful kickoff runback by Patterson. That's a bad loss to a banged up New Orleans team. So much for our hopes for a big year from the Bears. Sigh.

On the plus side, the concert at Steppenwolf was excellent. We saw them years ago in the play The Song of Jacob Zulu there, which went on to Broadway and won, I think, 8 Tonys. It was great to have them back - they're in a new play here, Liniwe, starting Nov. 7.

>16 luvamystery65: Howdy Roberta! How nice to see you posting here! Thanks re the latest Rafa and the gallery up top. I hope to post some more of the Little Man in the next few days.

>17 quondame: Agreed, Susan.

19jnwelch
Edited: Oct 20, 9:29pm Top



Ladysmith Black Mambazo fro South Africa - beautiful music tonight at Steppenwolf

In the front row, the three on the right are sons of Joseph Shabalala, who founded Ladysmith Black Mambazo in the 1960s

20ronincats
Oct 20, 9:38pm Top

>19 jnwelch: Yeah, I was thinking those faces looked way too young! Obviously they have been reinventing themselves.

21jnwelch
Oct 20, 9:50pm Top

>20 ronincats: Right, Roni? But in the back row, as they let us know during the show, the one on the far left is 71 (and started with them in 1969), and the one on the far right is 65, and started in 1974. It sounds like you've seen LBM and, if so, I'm sure you remember the extremely energetic dancing. Both of these elders danced all over the place, and kept up with the young 'uns just fine - I never would've guessed their age.

22EBT1002
Edited: Oct 20, 10:22pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe. I like Amy Sherald's work.

Your list of favorites for the year (so far) reminds me once again that I have a copy of The Long Take in the stacks on my cedar chest. I will pull it out and make it my next poetry read. This time I mean it!

23foggidawn
Oct 20, 10:45pm Top

Happy new thread! I heard Ladysmith Black Mambazo in my college days — sounds like at least some of the performers were the ones I saw!

24PaulCranswick
Oct 21, 4:37am Top

>19 jnwelch: It's funny because I was listening to Paul Simon yesterday and enjoyed "Duncan", "Slip Sliding Away", "Heart's and Bones", "Late in the Evening" and the songs from Graceland which featured Ladysmith Black Mambazo. What great music. I know Simon got some criticism for "profiteering" out of segregated Africa but he brought to the wider world's attention some magnificent sounds.

Happy new thread, buddy.

25jessibud2
Oct 21, 6:28am Top

>19 jnwelch: - I also saw Ladysmith Black Mambazo performing with Paul Simon many years ago, likely the original group! It was a fantastic performance and the whole show was terrific.

26jnwelch
Oct 21, 8:32am Top

>22 EBT1002: Thanks, Ellen. I'm glad you like the Amy Sheralds.

Oh good! The Long Take is a special one. If you're like me, you'll find it reads like a page-turning noir novel, only deeper.

>23 foggidawn: Thanks, foggi! Isn't Ladysmith Black Mambazo lovely to spend time with? We first saw them in the early 1990s in that play (awesome). They had a lot of fun last night with goofy interplay and flashy dancing, besides the great music.

>24 PaulCranswick: Hi, Paul. Yes, they did one of the Paul Simon/Graceland songs last night - "Homeless", and talked a bit about meeting him. Isn't their sound wonderful? They told us South Africa was celebrating 25 years of democracy, and invited us all to come visit.

Thanks re the new thread, mate.

>25 jessibud2: Ah, I'll bet that was great, Shelley. They're so joyful and uplifting, even when addressing social ills.

27jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 9:04am Top



The Secret Commonwealth is the second in the Book of Dust trilogy follow-up to Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy, and I loved it. La Belle Sauvage was good but a bit linear (?); for me it didn't quite achieve the magic and depth of that first trilogy. This one does. Lyra was 12 in the first trilogy; now she's 20 and in a college in Oxford. As new threats emerge her relationship with her daemon Pan is strained - her studies are exalting her rationalism, and Pan fears she is losing the qualities that were so important in the days of HDM. One book she's fascinated by is "a gripping story that encourages people not to feel bad about being selfish. Plenty of customers for that point of view." Her fate becomes entwined with Malcolm Polstead's, a former teacher of hers and a critical player in the first book. He's now 30 and not as dry as she thought.

The story-telling here is terrific. Besides the villainy of institutional religion, there are many ties to today's global swings to the right. The story moves from Oxford to Central Asia, and Lyra is no longer an instinctively fierce heroine; she is often confused by the turmoil inside her and the estrangement with Pan, but is as brave as ever. The plot is filled with danger and surprises, and Pullman's writing moves swiftly, showcasing his impressive ability to draw us into people and places quickly. Those who enjoyed His Dark Materials will be very happy with this one.

28quondame
Oct 21, 10:25am Top

>27 jnwelch: I'm glad to see a positive review of this! It weighted down my book bag severely when I brought it home from the library and I was afraid I'd end up back in the dreary flood - for a long time too!

29NarratorLady
Oct 21, 10:48am Top

>27 jnwelch: Oooh, thanks for this review Joe! I haven’t read La Belle Sauvage yet, I think because I wasn’t interested in a book where Lyra wasn’t the main character.
Question: would I be lost reading this one without reading the first?

30richardderus
Oct 21, 11:00am Top

>27 jnwelch: I am sure you're going to sell Pullman a fair few copies of the book with that measured appreciation. Hype doesn't help, especially when it's a long-running series.

Happy new week.

31jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 11:12am Top

>28 quondame:. I hope you enjoy The Secret Commonwealth as much as I did, Susan! Yeah, it’s a whopper - but the storytelling carries you along.

>29 NarratorLady:. Woo, tough question, Anne. La Belle Sauvage lets you know how Lyra got to Jordan College as a babe, and fleshes out Malcolm Polstead at a young age, who’s important in this new one. It precedes His Dark Materials and gives you a lot of background on Lyra and Mrs. Coulter and Lord Asriel and developments with the Magisterium. With all that, I’m very tempted to say you don’t need to read it before TSC, because TSC comes after His Dark Materials. I’m sure there are other connections between La Belle Sauvage and The Secret Commonwealth, but I’m hard pressed to think of any that are essential before you read TSC.

>30 richardderus:. Thanks, Richard. The Secret Commonwealth deserves the sales and checkouts. I can’t remember - did you like His Dark Materials? I can see aspects that I’d think would appeal to you.

32msf59
Oct 21, 11:10am Top

Morning, Joe. Windy and rainy but I am hanging in there. It sounds like you had a good time at Steppenwolf. Good review of the Pullman.

33jnwelch
Oct 21, 11:16am Top

>31 jnwelch:. Thanks, Mark. Yeah, in retrospect I think you would’ve had a much better time with Ladysmith Black Mambazo than our woesome Bears. Fingers crossed that the new Steppenwolf play coming out with them in it is a good one. The Song of Jacob Zulu was a knockout. They should probably think about reviving that one.

Thanks re the Pullman. As with Richard, I can’t remember whether you liked His Dark Materials?

34richardderus
Oct 21, 11:40am Top

>31 jnwelch: My ever-so-Jesusy sister recommended the series to me years ago, so I avoided it. When I finally picked it up about ten years ago, I liked it fine. Lyra is the main appeal of the tales for me.

35drneutron
Oct 21, 12:08pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

36jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 12:32pm Top

>34 richardderus:. Huh, I would’ve guessed that your Jesus-y sister would’ve liked to have you not read it! Lyra is a treasure, isn’t she.

>35 drneutron:. Thanks, Jim!

37jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 4:31pm Top



Magical Negro by Morgan Parker, the author of the widely-lauded There Are More Beautiful Things Than Beyonce, is powerful and disturbing. A Magical Negro is is a wise one who shows up to help a white person, like the Legend of Bagger Vance. It's of course a white vision of blackness, intended to be positive but offensive to many in its white-centricity. One persistent theme in her collection is the subtle racism of whites who hold out a helping hand to show how tolerant they are, while still viewing and treating blacks as lesser, or simply being irritatingly facile. "Now more than ever" is:

"a phrase used by Whites to express their surprise and disapproval of social or political conditions which, to, the Negro, are devastatingly usual. Often accompanied by an unsolicited touch on the forearm or shoulder, this expression is a favorite among the most politically liberal but socially comfortable of Whites. Its origins and implications are necessarily vague and undefined."

She dates white men on occasion, and is funny and self-sarcastic about that. She trains her scathing eye on herself as much as the rest of us.

"The Impressionism wing strikes me as too
dainty for my mood, except for one oil painting
by Gustave Caillebotte, Calf ’s Head and Ox Tongue,
which is described in the wall text as
“visually unpleasant.” A bust of an African woman
bums me out. This year, I cried
at everyone’s kitchen table,
I spit on the street and was late on purpose and stepped
in glass and my dog died and I saw
minuses over and over. I’ll figure it out.
I let a man walk away and then
another one. It has taken me exactly this long
to realize I could have done something else.
I’m being repetitive now but do you ever
hate yourself?"

She also celebrates black excellence and the joy of being black, even in an often-hostile world. I was strongly affected by all she had to say about gender and race, and the intelligence she brings to bear. This is one of my favorite collections this year.

38jnwelch
Edited: Oct 21, 4:09pm Top



SLAY by Brittney Morris is a young adult book featuring a "blacks-only" massive multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) created by high schooler Kiera. Having repeatedly experienced racism in popular MMORGs, she wanted to create a safe space that would both celebrate black culture and give blacks an exciting game of their own. After a player is murdered, the game gets accused of exclusionary racism, and her masked identity becomes the subject of fervent media interest. She has not let anyone, including her parents and judgmental boyfriend, know she's the developer and gamemaster. She wants to protect her beloved online community and her own privacy, but both are under threat.

This was both an engaging read, with appealing game battles, and thought-provoking as to common problems experienced by black high schoolers in majority white situations. Even Kiera's close white friends thoughtlessly expect her to be "the voice of her people", and have trouble realizing there are as many different perspectives within the black community as in the white. There are some cardboard characters (including, unfortunately, her parents), but the book's strengths lie in showing diverse black perspectives and the fallacies even well-meaning whites fall prey to. This is a good one for thoughtful young videogamers, methinks, but even old farts can enjoy the story and the thoughts provoked.

39jnwelch
Edited: Oct 22, 11:27am Top





"Bob" is "a small zombie wearing a chicken suit" who lives in a closet in Australia where human friend Livy left him when she returned five years ago to Massachusetts from visiting her Australian grandma. When Livy returns as a ten-year-old, she has surprising trouble remembering Bob, and has to relearn their relationship. This middle grade novel by Wendy Mass and Rebecca Stead is funny and fun and has a lot to say about friendship. Bob needs Livy's help to solve who and what he is, and where he comes from, as he has his own memory problems. Pursuing that mystery, and figuring out Livy's impediments, keep the pages flying. I read this after reading positive reviews of it by Amber, Karen and Susan.

40EllaTim
Oct 21, 7:52pm Top

>39 jnwelch: Lovely illustrations, Joe!

41scaifea
Oct 22, 5:43am Top

Morning, Joe!

>39 jnwelch: Oh, yay! I loved that one, but missed that Stead did the illustrations, since I listened to the audio version.

>27 jnwelch: I do need to get round to that one soon. I need to check if Sheen does the audio for this one, too...

42msf59
Edited: Oct 22, 6:37am Top

Morning, Joe. Glad to see the mini-reviews. I have the Parker collection, waiting nearby, so I can do a revisit. Slay sounds like a good one too. On your recommendation, I started Pumpkinheads last night and it is a lot of fun.

43karenmarie
Oct 22, 7:55am Top

Hi Joe!

>39 jnwelch: I'm glad you liked Bob. You commented on my thread that between quondame and me you'd bbd it and that it was on your wish list.

44richardderus
Oct 22, 8:48am Top

A spate of reviews! Always a good thing.

Have a terrific Tuesday, Joe, and good reads ahead.

45jnwelch
Oct 22, 11:45am Top

>40 EllaTim: Aren't those lovely illustrations, Ella? They add to the fun of reading Bob. Nicholas Gannon is the illustrator.

>41 scaifea: Morning, Amber! Stead actually is listed as a co-author. Maybe an article will turn up on how they worked together. Nicholas Gannon is the illustrator - worth a browse in a bookstore, if you didn't see the illustrations - as Ella says, they're lovely. I neglected to give Susan (quondame) and Karen (karenmarie) credit for also nudging me to read Bob (see >43 karenmarie:). I think we should all think about starting a Bob parade.

Oh good, I look forward to hearing your reaction to The Secret Commonwealth when you get to it.

>42 msf59: Hiya, Mark. Oh yeah, you'll have a good time with Pumpkinheads. I do think the Morgan Parker collection is worth your revisit. She kicks some . . . tail in it, and that somehow includes her own. Make sure to read "Matt", about all the white men she's dated, who, it turns out, all were named Matt (not Matthew). (Tongue in cheek). Slayer is a very good YA novel; not on the level of The Poet X or The Hate U Give, IMO, but an engaging, very worthwhile read.

>43 karenmarie: Hi, Karen. Thanks for reminding me! It's sometimes so hard to remember where the bbs come from. I've added you and Susan to the last line of the review up there. As I said to Amber, at this point we all could consider doing a Bob parade. :-) Thanks for helping convince me to read it.

>44 richardderus: You always manage to call a spate a spate, Richard. In the card game Hearts, you'd probably be the Queen of Spates.

Thanks, buddy - it should be at least a good Tuesday, and I'd love terrific. I'm almost done with the very good Red at the Bone by Jacqueline Woodson, and finishing that whopper The Secret Commonwealth has opened up other possibilities - a Hiromi Kawakami, a sci-fi one (can't remember the title right now) recommended by a Brit LTer, and a third to be figured out. I hope you have a terrific Tuesday and good reads yourownself.

46jnwelch
Oct 22, 11:48am Top



A cute bear popped up at the Pumpkin Patch

47richardderus
Oct 22, 12:46pm Top

>46 jnwelch: "Queen of Spates" *snerk* I'd say that's accurate.

I'm working on my review of Sweet as Cane, Salty as Tears today. Not much meat on her, but what's there is cherce, as the saying goes.

48quondame
Oct 22, 1:01pm Top

>46 jnwelch: Rafa's face is the brightest flower.

49jnwelch
Oct 22, 1:51pm Top

>47 richardderus: Hee-hee. I thought you'd like that "Queen of Spates".

On a quick look, she has to confront her Cajun past, and there's nothing more dangerous than a spooked rhino. Sounds like good ingredients for an RD review. :-)

>48 quondame: What a lovely thing to say, Susan. Thank you! Rafa sure makes us smile.

50Familyhistorian
Oct 22, 7:52pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. Lots of great pictures here but no food ones is the cafe closed?

51benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 22, 10:22pm Top

I had an unexpected reading pleasure end today. I finished reading Shanghai Faithful: Betrayal and Forgiveness in a Chinese Christian Family by Jennifer Lin. I read about this book in academic sources soon after it was published and put it on my TBR list. It was published by the academic publisher Rodman & Littlefield. I did not expect it to be a wonderful book because academic books are usually dry and dull. This one wasn’t. It was my first 5 star read of the year.

It is the story of one Chinese Christian family starting in the 1880’s and going to the present. It is particularly interesting reading about the years of the Cultural Revolution. The author is the granddaughter of the main figures in the book and she was born and raised in Philadelphia, PA. She worked for the Philadelphia Inquirer and spent years researching in archives all over the world trying to trace what happened to her family in China after her father left Shanghai in 1949.

It was a book I throughly enjoyed and even though it is about Christianity and how Christians fared in China, which seems a dull topic at best, it was a really really good book.

52ronincats
Oct 22, 10:37pm Top

So what was going on with Lake Michigan and Chicago today? The film on the news was turbulent.

53charl08
Oct 23, 6:00am Top

>46 jnwelch: Aw! Very cute, Joe. What a happy chap.

54msf59
Oct 23, 6:57am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Wednesday. I have the weekend off, so short work week. Yah! I decided to go with a Dr. Siri book, to keep me company on the route. Like the Longmires, I am 2 or 3 books behind. I have not read one in over a year. As you know, they are a lot of fun.

55jnwelch
Edited: Oct 23, 8:24am Top

>50 Familyhistorian: Thanks, Meg. I was thinking the same thing. Where's the food? Shall we start with chocolate croissants?

56jnwelch
Oct 23, 8:29am Top

>51 benitastrnad: Sounds like Shanghai Faithful turned out to be a very pleasant surprise, Benita.

>52 ronincats: I didn't see the news film, Roni, but there have been very strong winds here. That's made for some turbulence at the lake.



57jnwelch
Oct 23, 8:34am Top

>53 charl08: He is a happy chap, that little guy. Last night on Facetime phoning, where he could see us on his mom's phone, he tried to hand us (through the phone) the orange and green balls he was playing with. We miss being with him! We plan to travel there in November.

>54 msf59: Morning, Mark, and Happy Wednesday. I'm glad you have the weekend off. Yes, Dr. Siri is good company any time. Enjoy. I've been spending time with Dick Francis's Kit Fielding, but I have at least one Dr. Siri I haven't read yet, and maybe two.

58karenmarie
Oct 23, 8:37am Top

'Morning, Joe!

Very cute pic of Rafa and yum to the chocolate croissants.

59richardderus
Oct 23, 10:37am Top

It's the perfect day out there and my knee's up in arms so I can't enjoy it. :-(

On the plus side, I finished my review of Sweet as Cane, Salty as Tears! Ken Wheaton liked it.

60ronincats
Oct 23, 11:52am Top

Joe, are you doing the Halloween Pumpkin hunt? I'm not seeing many references to it around the threads and if people don't use the Home page and look at the top, they might miss the banner announcing it. This one isn't too hard--I got 8 right off, 13 of 15 without any help--but these are always fun.

61jessibud2
Oct 23, 12:02pm Top

Hi Joe. Cute Rafa, up there!

I know you and Mark are big fans of Jeff Lemire. Thought you might enjoy this interview. The CBC radio program called *q* is a fave of mine. The host, Tom Power, interviews so many varied and fascinating people. I just listened to him interview Julie Andrews, and Elton John. Then I found this one, with Lemire. This is about his newest work, Frogcatchers

Hope you'll enjoy this: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/jeff-lemire-s-new-graphic-novel-frogcatchers-is-a-med...

62laytonwoman3rd
Oct 23, 12:29pm Top

>39 jnwelch: A small zombie in a chicken suit is almost irresistible.

63jnwelch
Edited: Oct 23, 4:14pm Top

>62 laytonwoman3rd: LOL! I sure couldn't resist a small zombie in a chicken suit, Linda. Bob is . . . unusual.

>61 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. He's a cute guy, that Rafa.

Your right about Mark and I being Jeff Lemire fans. Are you? My first was The Complete Essex County, and I still recommend it to people. So good! I like his blue collar, true-to-life stories best.

Thank you for the link - I'll check into it later, after catching up.

>60 ronincats: Thank you for reminding us all about the LT Halloween Pumpkin Hunt, Roni. I'm not one to pursue these LT games, but I see a lot of folks having a ton o' fun with them. Sounds like you're going gangbusters on this one.

>59 richardderus: It's a beaut of a day where I am, Richard. Sorry your knee's up in arms. You know me, now I'm wondering about your arms being down in your knee. Seriously, though, I know those crystals are nasty. I hope succor arrives soon.

The author, Ken Wheaton, likes your review of Sweet as Cane, Salty as Tears? How cool is that? You get more of that kind of author reaction to your reviews than anyone I know. I've been running around today, but I read that review and liked it.

>58 karenmarie: "Morning/Afternoon, Karen!

That cute Rafa always makes me smile. I join your yum! for those chocolate croissants. Let's see if we have anything else yumish back in the larder.



Carrot cake pie

Is there such a thing as carrot pie cake?

64jessibud2
Oct 23, 4:38pm Top

>63 jnwelch: - My first (and admittedly, only so far) exposure to Lemire was when he did Secret Path, in collaboration with Gord Downie, the story of young Chanie Wenjack who tried to escape from a residential school in Ontario. It was a heart-wrenching story:

https://www.secretpath.ca/

I haven't tried any of his other works, myself. Not sure it's really my cuppa. But I really enjoyed the interview! Hope you will, too.

65Caroline_McElwee
Oct 23, 4:57pm Top

>19 jnwelch: I love LBM Joe. I've seen them live a couple of times too. Glad you had a great evening,

>27 jnwelch: My sister just loaned me the first one.

>39 jnwelch: hmm, like the drawings. ''Bob' makes me think of the Commendatore!

>46 jnwelch: Cute.

>63 jnwelch: Yum.

And I forgot to say how lovely the last lot of photos were on your last thread.

66richardderus
Oct 23, 5:08pm Top

>63 jnwelch: You get more of that kind of author reaction to your reviews than anyone I know.
...actually, the latest one made me smile the widest was Paul Tremblay saying how much he appreciated my review of The Last Conversation...expanded from the one here, natch. It's a lovely thing when an author says "you really got it, thanks"!

Must. Have. Carrot. Cake. Pie. NOW

67benitastrnad
Oct 23, 6:03pm Top

Since it is a colder evening in Tuscaloosa I was thinking a nice bowl of Minestrone and some crusty bread would be a good supper. Does the cafe have any available?

68laytonwoman3rd
Oct 23, 9:10pm Top

>63 jnwelch: I'll take a piece of that to go....it looks like breakfast to me!!

69jnwelch
Oct 24, 9:21am Top

Ha! Go for it, Linda! It looks like breakfast to me, too.

I’m running around this morning, but hope to check in mid-day.

70msf59
Oct 24, 10:37am Top

Morning, Joe. Sweet Thursday. Last work day, for me, this week, so there is an extra pep to my step, as I stroll along the route. Also having a good time with my current reads, including Dr. Siri, as he chases down a murderous monk.

Good luck with your running around.

71richardderus
Oct 24, 10:52am Top

Ooohhh carrot cake pie *for*breakfast*

I am truly among My People.

72jnwelch
Edited: Oct 24, 1:04pm Top

>64 jessibud2: The Secret Path was heart-wrenching and terrific, wasn't it, Shelley. That's a great intro to Lemire. I hope you try Essex County and others like Roughneck some time. I still haven't found time for the link! I'll try tonight.

>65 Caroline_McElwee: Oh good, Caroline. Why am I not surprised that you've seen LBM a couple of times and love them? :-) They make me feel good about the human race.

Did you like His Dark Materials? If so, you'll like the first one, and love the second, if I've got my book -psychicness going right.

Ha! Bob is quite a bit sweeter and more lovable than the Commendatore, but the size works!

Thanks re the last lot of photos on the last thread - I always like hearing back. I have found an easier way to do some of them from Facebook, thanks to friend Mark.

>66 richardderus: Doesn't that carrot cake pie look scrumptious, Richard? You and I should probably go to Carrot Cake Fest some day. I wonder where it's held?

"You really got it, thanks", from an author about a review of his book - it doesn't get batter than that. You must've burst your buttons.

>67 benitastrnad: Hi, Benita. The service here can be so slow sometimes, can't it? Here you go:

73jnwelch
Oct 24, 1:18pm Top

>70 msf59: Hiya, Mark. Thanks for more text support. Sweet Thursday! I'm busy getting educated.

Last work day of the week - nice! Go Dr. Siri! You asked - I thought I was on the newest, but Don't Eat Me is followed by a newer one, so I'm two behind. You've inspired me, so I'll probably turn to DEM soon. As I mentioned, I'm near the end of the very good Friday Black. You'll like Red at the Bone when you get to it.

>71 richardderus: We've found our tribe!

74jnwelch
Edited: Nov 10, 11:26am Top



I love this one

75richardderus
Oct 24, 1:42pm Top

>74 jnwelch: How beautiful! Glorious northern Northern autumnal gorgeousness.

76jessibud2
Oct 24, 2:24pm Top

>74 jnwelch: - That SKY!!! I saw some amazing colours (trees) while driving around today. I will head out in the morning tomorrow for a long walk with my camera to capture them. We have been getting some spectacular sunsets around here lately, too, but unfortunately, since I got new front windows last year, they have screens and the photos I used to take regularly of the sunsets just don't quite measure up through a screen...

>72 jnwelch: - I may give Lemire's other works a try, at some point. Especially after listening to him talk about his work and his life in that interview, he has piqued my interest, for sure. He seems like such a decent, humble guy with his head on straight.

77weird_O
Oct 24, 3:02pm Top

It's self-serving, I know, but can you post this in the cafe, Joe. I'm a little afraid of these guys that've been following me around.

78jnwelch
Oct 24, 4:41pm Top

>75 richardderus: Right, RD? I love this time of year in our glorious northern Northern gorgeousness.

>76 jessibud2: I'd love to see pics of your Montana sky, Shelley. Too bad about your windows for photos, although I'm sure you enjoyed having those screens earlier in the year.

I just watched the interview of Lemire that you linked, and he does come across as a modest, gracious guy. All Canadians are like that, right?

>77 weird_O: I love it, Bill. :-) Don't tell anyone, but drinking caffeine at night keeps me up, so I'll at times order decaf when the sun has crossed over the yardarm. Oops; the sun apparently often goes over the yardarm in the morning. I mean, after we have to light a lamp or candle. What century is this again?

79jessibud2
Oct 24, 5:00pm Top

>78 jnwelch: - Well, after our election earlier this week, if the debates and campaigns were any indication, I'd say most Canadians EXCEPT those running for public office, are modest and gracious. There sure was no evidence of that over the few weeks leading up to the election. Boo hiss.

And I know you meant *Toronto* skies, right...;-)

80jnwelch
Oct 24, 6:32pm Top

>79 jessibud2: Yes!! I got beautiful skies in my mind, and somehow had myself going to Montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon. What a maroon I am.

81jessibud2
Oct 24, 6:49pm Top

82jnwelch
Oct 24, 6:51pm Top

83msf59
Oct 25, 9:58am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Friday! I always enjoy my 3 day weekends. We have a wedding tonight and spending the night at a nearby hotel. Should be a fun little getaway. Should get plenty of reading in too. Hooray for starting a Dr. Siri! Always a fun time.

84karenmarie
Oct 25, 10:15am Top

Hi Joe and happy Friday to you.

>72 jnwelch: Now I want to find a new soup to add to the rotation.

>77 weird_O: Caffeine jolts me about 7-8 hours after ingesting - coffee, tea, chocolate - doesn't matter what the source is, I'm bright-eyed and busy-tailed. I usually stop caffeine about 3 p.m. but if I forget and am awake in the middle of the night, no sweat! I'm retired. I just read for a while and then go back to sleep. *smile*

85jnwelch
Oct 25, 12:23pm Top

>83 msf59: Happy Friday, Mark!

How great that you have a three day weekend. Enjoy! The Dr. Siri is a hoot already. Hope you're enjoying yours.

>84 karenmarie: Happy Friday, Karen.

Doesn't that soup look good? One of the advantages of this time of year is soup and more soup, right?

I have to ingest three lit sticks of dynamite with my coffee to wake up in the morning, like the cartoons - I'm still dragging my legs and feet out of Dreamland. With that, it gets me going right away. But if I drink it at night, sleep gets tough. As you point out, I'm also retired, so it's not that big a deal. But I do enjoy sleeping, so I'd just as soon not mess with it.

We had friends who drank caffeinated coffee at bedtime, a cup while propped up on their pillows. I don't know how they did that; I guess caffeine just didn't affect either of them much.

86jnwelch
Edited: Oct 25, 12:27pm Top

A chuckle or two for our Jane Austen fans:

87magicians_nephew
Edited: Oct 27, 8:08pm Top

>1 jnwelch: Interesting that you put The Alice Network on your list of faves. I started it got tangled up in the then-and-now story line, and characters i didn't much care about, and put it aside. Maybe I will give it another go.

>27 jnwelch: Nice to see some Phillip Pullman love. I love every word of His Dark Materials and was eager to read more about Lyra and company.

That carrot cake pie had me licking the screens

88EBT1002
Oct 25, 7:02pm Top

I'm ordering Magical Negro immediately. Excellent review!

89ronincats
Oct 25, 10:36pm Top

90jnwelch
Oct 26, 9:15am Top

>87 magicians_nephew:. Hiya, Jim. I hope you do give The Alice Network another go. It’s based on a true story, and an afterword let me know that a couple of developments I thought improbable actually happened.

Once you get in a groove with it, the format will get easier, methinks.

I loved His Dark Materials, too, and The Secret Commonwealth was a wild ride. Can’t wait for the next one!

“Licking” the screen, I imagine? We need fresh carrot cake pie dispensers on every corner, don’t you think?

>88 EBT1002:. Oh good, Ellen! Can’t wait to hear what you think of Magical Negro. She’s a powerhouse.

>89 ronincats:. Right, Roni? I love this Town and Country cover. I wonder whether Lady Catherine de Bourgh (sp.?) wrote “Tips for Insolent Headstrong Girls”.😄

91lauralkeet
Oct 26, 10:15am Top

>87 magicians_nephew:, >90 jnwelch: I need to read The Alice Network in the next month or so, for a book club discussion in early December. Jim's comments are a little ominous, but I'm glad to see it's a favorite of yours, Joe.

92richardderus
Oct 26, 10:29am Top

Carrot cake...yum...howzabout this single-tier extra moist one with...drumroll please...dulce de leche frosting!

93jnwelch
Oct 26, 10:59am Top

>91 lauralkeet:. If you can handle the jumping around in The Alice Network, Laura, I think you’ll both enjoy it and get a lot out of it. The jumping around didn’t bother me. What a story it is, that I knew nothing about before reading this book. There really was an Alice Network.

>92 richardderus:. 😳😳😳 Thanks, Richard. Cafe-goers, Present Forks!

94Caroline_McElwee
Oct 26, 11:08am Top

Fork...fork...

95jnwelch
Oct 26, 11:23am Top

96jnwelch
Edited: Oct 26, 3:22pm Top

Wow, Good Talk by Mira Jacob apparently is in Publishers Weekly Top Ten Books for 2019!

You know I agree.

P.S. Both SLAY by Brittney Morris and With the Fire on High made PW’s list of Top YA Books of 2019. Well-deserved!

97weird_O
Oct 26, 2:38pm Top

Greetings, Joe. I am back to Pachinko, which I recall you liked. At the halfway point. Hoping to plow through the last half quickly so I can read The Graveyard Book for Halloween.

98jnwelch
Oct 26, 3:20pm Top

Sounds great, Bill. I did like Pachinko, and learned a lot, and you know I’m a big fan of The Graveyard Book. What a great pick for Halloween.

99m.belljackson
Oct 26, 3:25pm Top

Hi Joe -

If your Family still lives in Pittsburgh,
the 49th Annual Pitt Jazz Seminar Collaborative Concert
is one they might enjoy.

It's on Saturday, November 2nd, at 7:30 pm in the Carnegie Music Hall
and features both music and poetry, as well as a guest appearance
by my daughter's dad (2nd husband).
He's on tour with The Art Ensemble of Chicago - just back from Brazil,
with London coming up for Thanksgiving.

Sure wish they'd reprise it in Madison!

100laytonwoman3rd
Oct 26, 3:34pm Top

>92 richardderus: Well....just this once.....no. I mean....I'd probably eat it if it were offered, but I'm not going to fight anyone for it. Carrot cake NEEDS cream cheese frosting. And coffee....lots and lots of coffee.

101brenzi
Oct 26, 6:26pm Top

>100 laytonwoman3rd: Agreed! It's not carrot cake without cream cheese frosting. Just...no

102bell7
Oct 26, 7:44pm Top

>86 jnwelch: Ha! Love it!

Happy to see Rafa in the pumpkin patch, too. Hooray for seeing him again soon!

103msf59
Oct 27, 7:49am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Sunday. I am enjoying the long weekend, but it has been cold and wet, so staying mostly indoors, which includes the books, so not all is lost. I am enjoying Ghost Wall, (another dark one) and dipping into a poetry collection that Ellen passed on to me. I like it and will most likely pass it on to you. I also hope to finish off Pumpkinheads today, which has been a lot of fun.

104Familyhistorian
Oct 27, 9:51am Top

Hope you are having a wonderful Sunday, Joe. I got to the chocolate croissants late and all that was left were crumbs. It was a good thought, though. I love chocolate croissants.

105richardderus
Oct 27, 10:29am Top

>100 laytonwoman3rd:, >101 brenzi: *tsk* Unadventuresome souls! Happen it's delicious! Like the blueberry-oat streusel I use on coffeecake. Makes purists shudder, tastes delicious.

106jnwelch
Oct 27, 11:01am Top

>99 m.belljackson: Thanks, Marianne.

How cool that your daughter's dad is touring with the Art Ensemble of Chicago. He must be very talented. Our Pittsburghonians have that little guy and another on the way, so they have to be selective in their adventures, but they may find a way to fit that one in.

>100 laytonwoman3rd: I do love carrot cake with cream cheese frosting, Linda, so I understand your POV. On the other fork, I'm willing to enjoy carrot cake in all sorts of forms, and this one sounds delish. Nothing says we can't break out a cream cheese frosting one later.

>101 brenzi: We will donate your slice to the greedy, Bonnie, so no worries. :-)

>102 bell7: Ha! Isn't he a cute pumpkin patch guy, Mary? I think I've got another one. Here you go:



107jnwelch
Edited: Oct 27, 11:09am Top

>103 msf59: Happy Sunday, Mark. Woo, cabbing back from O'Hare last night in that rain was scary. I'm glad today looks clear. We've got errands to run, but then I hope it's Bears and Books. Enjoy Ghost Wall; I've seen positive 75er responses to it. Who's the poet for the collection Ellen sent? Pumpkinheads is a sweet autumn treat, isn't it.

>104 Familyhistorian: Oh my, Meg. I know you've been busy. We found some more chocolate croissants for you.



>105 richardderus: Right, RD? More for the likes of us, that's all. Harumph.

108m.belljackson
Edited: Oct 27, 11:19am Top

>106 jnwelch:

Sure hope the kids can make it to the concert.

Around 50 years ago, my daughter's dad, Roscoe Mitchell,
was acclaimed by Chicago music critic John Litweiler,
to be "The World's Greatest Living Saxophone Player"
and he may still well be!

So yes, talent on this 50 Year Anniversary Tour for the Founder of the Art Ensemble of Chicago.

(The only interested LT Creative Music person, so far, has been Paul - and his Malaysian friend.
If others enjoy improvisation AND classical jazz, R.M. is on You Tube.)

Please keep the Rafa Pumpkins coming!

109jnwelch
Edited: Nov 10, 11:16am Top



Becca with some Halloween pals. A local shopping/restaurant area (Lincoln Square) celebrates for the little ones on the weekend before.

110jnwelch
Oct 27, 11:21am Top

>108 m.belljackson: Great, Marianne! What an honor to have Roscoe Mitchell in the family. They may not be Rafa, but there are a couple of cute little ones above with Becca.

111Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Oct 27, 1:03pm Top

>106 jnwelch: Good to see your little piglet Joe. And Becca looks happy with her little friends >109 jnwelch:.

112ffortsa
Oct 27, 1:56pm Top

>109 jnwelch: What a great picture of Becca!

113laytonwoman3rd
Oct 27, 4:30pm Top

>107 jnwelch: Now THOSE, I will fight for!

114charl08
Oct 28, 3:54am Top

Lovely photos, Joe.
(Not just the chocolate croissants!)

115richardderus
Oct 28, 7:56am Top

Becca and friends are precious indeed, Rafa's still a handsome ole boy, and I'm out of the competition for anything chocolate so...

Molasses pecan sticky buns, anyone?

116jnwelch
Oct 28, 8:16am Top

>111 Caroline_McElwee: We love that little Rafa Piglet, Caroline. And his Auntie Becca, too. She and Madame MBH had a great time visiting with the Halloween-ing kids.

>112 ffortsa: Thanks, Judy! Becca's a lovely young woman when she's not rolling her eyes at my latest. Well, even then, actually.

>113 laytonwoman3rd: Ha! Chocolate croissants can be so inspiring, can't they, Linda.

>114 charl08: Thanks, Charlotte. Another tip of the hat to Mark, who clued me in on the best way to transfer photos from Facebook, which made a lot of this easier.

>115 richardderus: Thanks for the Becca and friends and Rafa compliments, Richard, and for the splendiferous sticky buns. All we need now is some coffee, right?

117jnwelch
Oct 28, 8:18am Top



And maybe some grapes

118Caroline_McElwee
Oct 28, 8:26am Top

>117 jnwelch: Tee hee.

120richardderus
Oct 28, 8:58am Top

>116 jnwelch: Yes, please!

>117 jnwelch: *snerk*

121jnwelch
Oct 28, 1:18pm Top

122Familyhistorian
Oct 28, 1:57pm Top

>107 jnwelch: Those are very fine looking croissants, Joe. >113 laytonwoman3rd: Looks like we don't have to fight for them, Linda, as the mad gobbler doesn't do chocolate.

Love the little piglet and Becca and friends. Guess that is a sign that I really should get out and get some treats for the trick or treaters. How did that day come up so fast?

123msf59
Oct 28, 6:19pm Top

Hi, Joe. Late check in. It was a heavy Monday, but at least the weather was decent. This is my LONG work week, so I just have to muddle through. I am so glad to hear you are enjoying Broom of the System. This is a DFW title I was not familiar with, which is a rarity of the Old Warbler.

124scaifea
Oct 29, 7:05am Top

Morning, Joe! I'll have some of that coffee and a sticky bun, please.

125richardderus
Oct 29, 8:47am Top

Have a good Tuesday, Joe! One brimful of snackings and sippings.

126jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 10:52am Top

>122 Familyhistorian: Ha! Yes, without the Mad Gobbler being interested, you and Linda can take your time sampling the croissants. Thanks re Piglet and Becca and Pooh and friends. Yes, Halloween is nearly upon us. We're a hot spot here (tons of kids come by), so Madame MBH stocked up on some on-sale candy a little while ago.

>124 scaifea: Hey, buddy. Yeah, I'm loving Broom of the System. I knew about it, just from scouting out David Foster Wallace, but it took Amber's review to nudge me into starting it. What a ride. And no footnotes!

I also finished Record of a Night Too Brief by Hiromi Kawakami, that author of Strange Weather in Tokyo. That one I can only recommend for her fans. I guess you could call it short stories, although much of it reads like someone's literate dream journal. The last story, about snakes who turn into people and become inextricably part of their chosen's daily life, was pretty darn good. Oh, and I'm still working my way through The Ode Less Travelled by Stephen Fry, as he teaches me, with characteristic wit, a lot of poem-ing details I've wondered about but never learned. I'm doing the exercises he gives, so it should take me about a semester to finish.

>124 scaifea: Morning, Amber! You'll see up above I'm tipping my hat to you over my enjoyment of Broom of the System. And I'm enjoying The Ode Less Travelled. Coffee and a sticky bun? No problem, but watch out for mad gobblers with the initials RD.



>125 richardderus: Happy Tuesday, mon frere. One brimful coming up.

127jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 11:14am Top



Brother Mark should like this one

128weird_O
Oct 29, 11:27am Top

Hi, Joe. I finished Pachinko over the weekend, and you were right: it was good. Bigotry and cruelty are parts of human nature, unfortunately.

Now making short work of The Graveyard Book. I'm wanting to stop by the library to flip through the GN version of the story. A number of episodes don't sound familiar at all and now I'm curious to compare the versions.

Here's your Halloween Tom Gauld:



I've really famished. Sticky buns, please, AND a croissant. And coffee, of course. But NOT decaf.

129jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 12:12pm Top

>128 weird_O: Oh, I'm glad you liked Pachinko, Bill. I should know by now, but the infinite variety of bigotry and cruelty we all come up with continues to surprise me. In Good Talk, the author is (east) Indian like the rest of her family, but because her skin is darker, she is looked down upon and her marriage prospects are considered dismal. What? Then she marries a Jewish man, and has a whole lot to explain to her young, questioning son. Anyway, I digress. I knew nothing about the Korean- Japanese tensions before reading Pachinko.

I'm actually re-reading the graphic Graveyard Book right now, and being reminded what a terrific story it is. I think you'll enjoy your flip-through of the two volume (mine is, anyway) GN version.

Ha! I didn't know (or remember) there was a Tom Gauld Halloween cartoon. Scary!

P.S. UK author Naomi Wolf just had her entire U.S. book run pulped when it was discovered she had major errors in her NF book because she had misunderstood the legal term "death recorded." Turns out it didn't mean the people had died; instead, they lived but through legal legerdemain had their execution recorded as if they had died. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/22/oxford-educated-feminist-author-have...

130jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 2:04pm Top



I've originally lost track, but some LTer (see below) provided this link to this New Yorker Murakami interview which I had somehow missed: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/the-underground-world... I'm loving it!

Oh, I tracked it down. The link is thanks to the esteemed Caroline_McElwee.

A couple of examples from it will make a lot of sense to Murakami readers:

"When I wrote 'A Wild Sheep Chase,' I was very excited, because I didn’t know what was going to happen next. I couldn’t wait for the next day to come so that I could find out what would happen next. I wanted to turn the pages but there were no pages. I had to write them."

"for me, writing itself is like dreaming. When I write, I can dream intentionally. I can start and I can stop and I can continue the next day, as I choose. When you’re asleep and having a good dream, with a big steak or a nice beer or a beautiful girl, and you wake up, it’s all gone. But I can continue the next day!"

Wouldn't that be fun? He's a lucky guy. And we're lucky readers.

P.S. Here's another one from him that I liked:

"My rule is to try something new every time. Most of my early books I wrote in the first person. In '1Q84,' I wrote three third-person characters. That was kind of a challenge for me. Most often, my narrator, my protagonist, is a guy I could have been but who isn’t me. A kind of alternative of myself, you know? In life, I am myself and I cannot be other people, but in fiction I can be anybody. I can put my feet in other people’s shoes. You could call that a kind of therapy. If you can write, you’re not fixed. You can be anybody else—you have that possibility."

P.P.S. And this one:

"When I’m running, I’m just running. I empty my mind. I have no idea what I’m thinking while I’m running. Maybe nothing. But, you know, you have to be tough to write for a long time. To write one book is not so difficult, but to keep writing for many years is very close to impossible. You need the power of concentration and endurance. I sometimes write very unhealthy things. Weird things. Twisted things. I think you have to be very healthy if you want to write unhealthy things. That’s a paradox, but it’s true. Some writers led very unhealthy lives—like Baudelaire. But, in my opinion, those days are gone. This is a very complicated world, and you have to be strong to survive, to get through the chaos. I became a writer when I was thirty years old, and I started running when I was thirty-two or thirty-three. I decided to start running every day because I wanted to see what would happen. I think life is a kind of laboratory where you can try anything. And in the end I think it was good for me, because I became tough."

I agree with this. The kind of sustained concentration and endurance he shows in his writing - not easy!

131m.belljackson
Oct 29, 12:57pm Top

>128 weird_O: >129 jnwelch:

Cruelty can evolve from birth, as well as environments, but bigotry seems to be "carefully taught."

132richardderus
Oct 29, 1:21pm Top

>127 jnwelch: Ooo!

Some kinda wonderful, that Pachinko. I'm eager to see what the TV show turns into.

133jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 1:44pm Top

>131 m.belljackson: Right, Marianne? We start out with no clue as to these (to me, arbitrary and absurd) divisions and categorizations. I do not understand the origins of cruelty, and I doubt I ever will, although I keep thinking about it. Self-defense, aggression, my tribe versus your tribe, okay, but intentional cruelty, apparently for the pleasure of inflicting harm and pain, how did that get into the mix. Adam and Eve leave the garden, okay, loss of innocence, self-consciousness, and so on - but cruelty?

>132 richardderus: Ha! I love that "ooo", RIchard.

Some kinda wonderful, yes it is. I don't need a whole lot of money, I don't need a big fine car (although I'd like one from your thread), because I've got a sweet, sweet copy of Pachinko.

Well my copy, she's all right
Well my copy, she's clean out of sight, don't you know that
She's
She's some kind of wonderful
She's some kind of wonderful
Yes she is,
She's some kind of wonderful
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Love that song!

I didn't know there was going to be a TV show. Now you've got me intrigued. There's going to be a Dark Materials TV show, too, I just saw. Fingers crossed it's good.

134richardderus
Oct 29, 3:00pm Top

>133 jnwelch: The show's gonna be on the damned half-bit fruit people's channel they're firing up come Friday. THIS show won't be on starting Friday, some others will, but another wallet-grab streamer is waitin' to go.

135m.belljackson
Oct 29, 3:33pm Top

Joe - which thread had the Link to your Poetry and which one had the Best Vegetarian Restaurant in London?

Thanks - I want to read poems again for inspiration, show my daughter where to send poems,
and convince my friend who will be in London for Thanksgiving to bring us a menu after he eats a dinner for us.

136jnwelch
Edited: Oct 29, 4:11pm Top

>134 richardderus: OMG! Another pay-for-it TV channel? Will this nightmare never end? Did you see that "Time Bandits" is a TBA?

>135 m.belljackson: Hmm. I'm not sure which thread had the link to my Poetry, Marianne, but I appreciate the interest. Are you talking about the three recently published poems? If so, the last thread (the one before this) has that link to the Academy of Heart and Mind up near the top. If you're talking about all the poems I've posted in the cafe, they're sprinkled throughout for the last couple of years, although I haven't posted many this year. I haven't gathered them all in one LT place, although I've thought about it.

The Best Vegetarian Restaurant in London is The Gate on St. John Street in the Islington part of London ( there are three other The Gates in town that we haven't been to). Caroline_McElwee, a Londoner, took us to Mildreds, which we liked a lot, and we went to yet another good one near the National Theater where you load your plate from a large central area and pay by weight. I can't remember its name. Here's a "Best in London" article that mentions The Gate: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/restaurants/the-best-restaurants-for-vegeta...

137richardderus
Oct 29, 4:55pm Top

>136 jnwelch: Yep. At least Time Bandits is led by Taika!

138jnwelch
Oct 29, 5:11pm Top

>137 richardderus: Ohhhh, bonus points for you! I had to figure out who Taika is. We loved Thor: Ragnarok - what a welcome infusion of humor.

139Caroline_McElwee
Oct 29, 6:30pm Top

>127 jnwelch: oh I love those. That photo looks like a painting.

>130 jnwelch: I'm glad you enjoyed the Murakami interview Joe, I thought it fascinating too.

140msf59
Oct 29, 6:50pm Top

>127 jnwelch: Yep, Brother Mark appreciates the owl love!

>130 jnwelch: I will have to circle back and check out this New Yorker piece on Murakami. I loved the quotes you included.

141msf59
Edited: Oct 29, 7:09pm Top

Happy Tuesday, Joe. I was waiting until I got, at least halfway into Night Boat to Tangier, before recommending the novel to you. So, I am doing so now. His prose is killer, along with being brutally tough and lyrical. Richard sung it's praises to me and I am passing it onto you. Another Booker longlist gem, plus I have discovered a new Irish author to explore. Yah!

Do you have HBO? I watched the first ep of Watchmen. It was good and i will continue.

142jnwelch
Oct 30, 8:17am Top

>139 Caroline_McElwee: Aren't those young owls great, Caroline? What a photo.

Murakami is so well-spoken, isn't he. In his second language! I loved that interview. Thanks again for posting the link. So cool to think that he has the prequel and sequel to 1Q84 in his head, but doesn't want to publish them.

>140 msf59: Ha! I thought you'd enjoy the owl trio. That New Yorker interview is well worth the circle back.

>141 msf59: Happy Tuesday/Wednesday, Mark. Night Boat to Tangier, got it. I'll add it to the WL. I'm going to be lost to most books for a while (except Broom of the System) - the new Jack Reacher arrived. Reachers are among the few books I pre-order. Helping an elderly couple has gotten him in the middle of two gangs, so far.

Thanks for the push on Watchmen. We watched the first episode, and liked it a lot. So different from the GN! The GN Watchmen characters were only shown briefly in the background. Best acting I've seen Don Johnson do - but I guess it's one episode and out for him.

143jnwelch
Oct 30, 8:29am Top



Rafa helps make breakfast by stirring the air

144karenmarie
Oct 30, 9:04am Top

Hi Joe!

>117 jnwelch: I like it.

>126 jnwelch: I've only read DWF's essays, which are all absolutely amazing. Broom of the System is on my shelves, along with ~2100 other books tagged tbr. Sigh.

>142 jnwelch: My copy of the new Jack Reacher arrived yesterday, too. It’s next up after Busman’s Honeymoon, which I’m a little more than 1/3 of the way through. I always pre-order the newest Reacher, too, and so was happily surprised when it showed up yesterday.

>143 jnwelch: Extreme cute-itude there. Rafa looks like he’s conducting an orchestra.

145msf59
Oct 30, 10:45am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy, snowy, sloppy Wednesday! I am sure you will have a fine time with Reacher. Enjoy. I am so glad to hear you liked Watchmen. I agree with you on Don Johnson. We have not watched the second one yet, either.

Now, we have The Dark Materials arriving on Monday. Lots of good stuff to watch.

146richardderus
Oct 30, 11:26am Top

Someone in the kitchen brought a dump cake from home. It's got apple butter and pecans, so I snuck it out...anyone?

147humouress
Edited: Oct 30, 1:37pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

>1 jnwelch: Beautiful!

>117 jnwelch: I don't know how to break this to you gently Joe, but sultanas do not grapes make.

>143 jnwelch: Looking gorgeous! Bet it was delicious.

>146 richardderus: Ta.

148FAMeulstee
Oct 30, 5:44pm Top

>143 jnwelch: Looks like Rafa has a lot of fun, Joe. Already helping out with breakfast, won't take long until he takes over in the kitchen ;-)

149laytonwoman3rd
Oct 30, 6:26pm Top

>143 jnwelch: Oh, boy...can't wait to see what he whips up!

150brenzi
Oct 30, 6:35pm Top

>143 jnwelch: Every good cook likes to get the air circulating Joe.

151banjo123
Oct 31, 12:55am Top

Pachinko's going to be a TV show? I suppose it could be good, but I will stick to the book.

152scaifea
Oct 31, 5:39am Top

Morning, Joe!

>143 jnwelch: Aw, I remember those helping-in-the-kitchen days with Charlie. Those footies!! Now he *actually* cooks and bakes, which is also pretty darn wonderful.

153humouress
Oct 31, 5:43am Top

>152 scaifea: Hah! Mine also actually cook and bake now (my 15 year old has just done an exam in it, too) but it’s still faster to cook without their ‘help’ than with (even for me and I’m no kitchen genius).

154weird_O
Oct 31, 10:59am Top

155jnwelch
Oct 31, 11:02am Top

>144 karenmarie: Hi, Karen!

Mark and I did a duo read of Infinite Jest (my English class-teaching DIL says we're among the few to start and finish it!), but my first DFW was his essays in Consider the Lobster. I loved it. Like IJ, though, it features his fetish for footnotes, which I don't share. The Broom of the System has NO footnotes, which is a beautiful thing.

The new Jack Reacher is aces. You're going to be happy. Busman's Honeymoon! Harriet and Peter. Sigh. So good. Is this a re-read for you, or first time?

Thanks re the kid with extreme cute-itude. Word on the street is they plan to keep him. And my bride now wants a onesie with bears like that of her own.

156jnwelch
Oct 31, 11:11am Top

>145 msf59: Morning, Mark. I'm a day behind, so Sweet Thursday! Sweet but snowy. It's coming down white and fluffy where we are. Gonna have to break out the shovels and the windshield scrapers, darn it.

We watched the second Watchmen episode. Also really good. The Lou Gossett character - what the heck? This is going to be fun. I wonder how they're going to handle broadcasting the remaining episodes. And Dark Materials up around the bend. Oh my goodness.

>146 richardderus: Oh, nice one, Richard. I'd never heard of a dump cake before. I can imagine where it got its name - whatever good stuff you have left over? Apple butter and pecans? I'm in.

>147 humouress: Hi, Nina. Thanks re the toppers. What? Grapes aren't inflated sultanas? But we're able to see it happening!

With Rafa's air-stirring help, I'm sure breakfast was delicious. Adriana loves to cook, and she's mighty good at it. We've confirmed that those are onions, not tortillas, in the pan.

157jnwelch
Oct 31, 11:25am Top

>148 FAMeulstee: I bet Rafa will want to cook as he gets bigger, Anita. Both his parents do. Plus he obviously thinks it's fun. :-)

>149 laytonwoman3rd: Ha! So far Rafa is whipping up air creations, so we may not get to see them, Linda. We'll just have to enjoy the performance - as someone said, there seems to be in it an element of conducting the symphony.

>150 brenzi: He's such a smart little guy, Bonnie. I didn't know about the importance of air circulation to fine dining. I don't know whether his parents or his daycare taught him that. The spatula waving adds a certain artistic feel to the process, too, doesn't it.

>151 banjo123: I know, Rhonda. I'm a bit skeptical about a tv version of Pachinko, too. You can't go wrong sticking with the book.

>152 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

I've seen photo evidence of Charlie cooking and baking. So great. I hope Rafa follows in his footies-steps.

>153 humouress: That's great, Nina, that they cook and bake. I didn't when I was growing up, but I sure learned once I was bachelor-ing it. Madame MBH teases me because I wooed her with enchilada and pasta dishes, and then promptly "forgot" how when she took over the cooking. I still do it once a week, but it tends to be more modest and easier - or we order in, since the rules permit that.

it’s still faster to cook without their ‘help’ than with. Ha! I'll bet.

>154 weird_O: Oh, one of your best, Bill. That is most excellent.

They're debating here whether to "move Halloween" to Saturday because of our lousy weather. Some suburbs apparently have already done it. That would be a first since we've been here.

158jnwelch
Oct 31, 12:18pm Top



I can't imagine cutting into this beautiful cake, although it was made to be eaten. Maybe we'll need a second cake for eating, and we'll keep this one for looking at.



Apple caramel poke cake

159foggidawn
Oct 31, 12:36pm Top

Yum! The second one looks tastier than the first one, anyway. Fondant always feels/tastes like wax to me.

160ffortsa
Oct 31, 1:49pm Top

I read The Broom of the System years ago for a meetup book group, but it didn't thrill me. I may need to revisit it to better understand. But that will not be soon, alas.

161jnwelch
Oct 31, 1:52pm Top

>159 foggidawn: I bet you're right, foggi. I imagine looks were more important than taste for the first cake. I'd like some of that second one right now.

>160 ffortsa: I'm sorry Broom of the System didn't thrill you the first time, Judy. So far I'm really enjoying it. I want to read more of his essays, too. What a mind; what a talent; what a shame he didn't stick around.

162quondame
Oct 31, 3:43pm Top

>159 foggidawn: I remember the real homemade cured fondant my mom would make and it isn't the same thing at all. Pure sugar really, but turned into a silky semi-solid that made up fillings for chocolates and was poured over cakes (the bigger ones covered with a layer of half-fondant marzipan.)

163richardderus
Oct 31, 3:48pm Top

>158 jnwelch: *sharpens elbows* Poke cake HO-OOO-OOO!

164foggidawn
Oct 31, 3:48pm Top

>162 quondame: That does sound miles better than the stuff I'm familiar with.

165jnwelch
Oct 31, 4:59pm Top

>162 quondame:, >164 foggidawn: Agreed - sounds miles better than what I'm familiar with, too.

>163 richardderus: No poking cafe-goers over the Poke cake, maestro!

166jnwelch
Edited: Oct 31, 5:16pm Top

Woo-hoo!! Mira Jacob is on the cover of Publishers Weekly for Good Talk being a Best Book 2019!



I can't find the cover online yet, but here she is with the book.

The more the word spreads about this terrific book, the better!

P.S. Found it!

167jnwelch
Edited: Oct 31, 5:17pm Top



A parrot with a pirate on his shoulder - our son has been dying to do this!

168Caroline_McElwee
Oct 31, 5:27pm Top

>167 jnwelch: Hilarious. Love it.

169jnwelch
Oct 31, 5:28pm Top

>168 Caroline_McElwee: Right, Caroline? Such a clever fellow, Rafa's Dad.

170laytonwoman3rd
Oct 31, 6:38pm Top

>167 jnwelch: Oh, that is tooooo much! Have some virtual treats, Rafa and Jesse!

171msf59
Oct 31, 6:44pm Top

>166 jnwelch: Hooray for Mira Jacob! She deserves all the accolades!

>167 jnwelch: Hooray for Rafa! He also deserves all the accolades! A perfect pirate, along with his grinning padre!

172msf59
Oct 31, 6:47pm Top

Happy Halloween, Joe. I wish I could have had your day home, with the books but the books did treat me well, on the route, after all. I am home, now and giving a few kids some treats.

173jessibud2
Oct 31, 6:49pm Top

>158 jnwelch: - Wow, that's a beauty! Too good to eat, for sure

>166 jnwelch: - Excellent!!

>167 jnwelch: - So clever!! And adorable (both of them!)

174benitastrnad
Oct 31, 9:28pm Top

Since I read Pachinko I have run into many instances of the Japanese/Korean connections.

If you watch Henry Louis Gates, Jr show on PBS, Finding Your Roots, this last Tuesday night one of the guests on the show was a man named Fred Armisen. Turned out his grandfather was a famous Japanese classical dancer who spent the WWII years in Europe. But the really freaky part was that his grandfather wasn’t Japanese. He was Korean and because he was so talented his teachers and family went along with his “passing” as Japanese in order for him to continue to get the training he needed to advance in his career. Armisen thought he had a Japanese grandfather but he actually had a Korean grandfather. The Korean side of his family can trace their ancestry back to the year 69 B.C. It was an amazing connection to Pachinko for me and made the book even more outstanding.

175scaifea
Nov 1, 5:37am Top

Morning, Joe!

>167 jnwelch: Aw, look how happy that pirate is! Love it. We had a wee pirate come for tricks or treats last night, and he was cute, but not quite Rafa cute...

176karenmarie
Nov 1, 8:00am Top

‘Morning, Joe!

>155 jnwelch: I’ve probably read Busman’s Honeymoon half a dozen times over the decades. This year it’s for my personal challenge to reread all of DLS’s fiction. It’s the last novel of the year and her last novel. Of her 44 short stories I’ve read 6 this year so far, and will be able to easily finish up 38 before year’s end.

>158 jnwelch: Beautiful cake, although eating fondant is like eating partially-solidified library paste, IMO. Let’s make the eating cake with buttercream icing, okay?

>159 foggidawn: Wax is a good analogy, too, foggi.

>167 jnwelch: Clever and adorable. I hope Rafa had a super Halloween. And his dad, too, of course!

177charl08
Nov 1, 8:09am Top

>167 jnwelch: Lovely picture, Joe, I'm sure they had lots of fun.
I don't tend to see much dressing up here, but was amazed at the costumes when I was in the US this time last year. I've just seen on twitter this morning a US teacher posting about his class who were set the challenge of 'difficult words' for their costumes. Some lovely creative ideas on display (which I won't even attempt to spell).

178jnwelch
Edited: Nov 10, 11:13am Top



Mama Narwhal with her Pirate. Photobombing by Maleta and most of Bolita



A better view of Papa Parrot with his Pirate

179jnwelch
Edited: Nov 1, 10:05am Top

>170 laytonwoman3rd: Ha! I'll let them know, Linda. Pirate-ing and Parrot-ing can be hard work, and they'll appreciate the candy.

>171 msf59: Don't Mira Jacob and Good Talk deserve the accolades, Mark? Listen to this from the PW article:

"Here's something new for us: a graphic memoir is among our 10 best books of the year. It's Mira Jacob's Good Talk, and it's a wonderfully enchanting memoir that couldn't be more of-the-moment, with its take on race in America that's equally smart, pointed, funny and touching. (There is also some wisdom in there about how to deal with Trump-supporting in-laws).

Yes!

>172 msf59: Hiya, Mark, and a belated Happy Halloween. We did end up getting quite a few more kids coming by for treats but, as you and I discussed, it was a lot less than usual. I will say the kids were loving the snow. Many of them were saying "Merry Halloween" because they figured it was like Christmas out. I did take some pics, so I'll try to post them at some point.

I'm glad your reading was treating you well yesterday. I'm intrigued that you like NF on your audio; I would've guessed fiction to carry you away in a story. But I'm a fiction devourer, so that's probably my bias showing.

Hope it goes well today; Debbi couldn't believe how much snow was still hanging around this morning. We haven't done any of the prep work in the garden or put anything away for winter. We need a warm-up!

180jnwelch
Edited: Nov 1, 10:30am Top

A post thought lost reappeared. I've been having mysterious activities on LT today. Halloween ghosts?

181jnwelch
Nov 1, 10:15am Top

>173 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley! I posted two more photos of the adorable and clever Rafa and his parents. I hope you had a good Halloween.

>174 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. I remember Fred Armison from Saturday Night Live and Portlandia and others. He's very talented himself, including musically. A Korean grandfather who was allowed to "pass" as Japanese. I understand that a lot better after Pachinko. Fascinating.

>175 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

I'm glad you like our Wee Pirate Rafa. Do you supposed he's related to the Dread Pirate Roberts?

182jnwelch
Edited: Nov 1, 10:26am Top

>176 karenmarie: 'Morning, Karen!

Ha! I figgered you'd read Busman's Honeymoon before, but I wouldn't have guessed you'd done it that many times! You're reminding me I should give it a re-read. Those two together . . . so fun.

I love your DLS project.

In >162 quondame:, Susan tells us that homemade fondant can be sugary deliciousness, so we'll go with that instead of the wax-like stuff.

We'll hope to hear reports from Pittsburgh about their Halloween. We bundled up (a lot!) here, and had a good one. I hope you did in your part of the world.

>177 charl08: Hi, Charlotte. Yes, dressing up is big fun here in the U.S. We've been happy to see Harry Potter and Hermione remain popular; each generation discovers them anew. Surprisingly, to me anyway, the parents love to dress up, too, so we had a whole lot of parents in costumes last night -giraffes, Godzillas, queens, Wonder Woman, and on and on. Two of my favorite kid ones were a girl "riding" a panda, and a boy "riding" a triceratops, as they walked along with the costume surrounding them.

I'd like to see some of those "difficult words" costumes that teacher inspired. Clever idea to challenge the kids.

183Caroline_McElwee
Nov 1, 11:23am Top

>178 jnwelch: He's going to love those photos when he gets past his teens Joe!

184benitastrnad
Nov 1, 12:18pm Top

>181 jnwelch:
If you use Wikipedia the article there tells about what was discovered by Gates and company in the show. When I read the article in Wikipedia I was surprised to see that it originally aired in 2017. I didn't realize that my local PBS station was that far behind in the series. I enjoy watching it when I can, and it is always surprising what amazing stories are uncovered. Another amazing story on that same episode was that of Carly Simon. Her grandmother immigrated from Cuba and this was another example of "passing."

185jnwelch
Nov 1, 1:43pm Top

>183 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! I bet you're right, Caroline. He made a good pick with those parents of his.

>184 benitastrnad: That does sound like a good series, Benita. I never would've guessed Carly Simon had a Cuban grandmother.

186msf59
Nov 1, 5:47pm Top

Happy Friday, Joe. A much better day today and I am glad to see most of the snow melted away. Yah! Maggy Garrisson sounds like a good GN. Save it for me. I also have one for you- The Silence of Our Friends. Another terrific '60s Civil Rights story and Nate Powell is involved too.

187Familyhistorian
Nov 1, 9:14pm Top

>167 jnwelch: >178 jnwelch: Those costumes are so cool! What a great idea.

188ronincats
Nov 1, 10:36pm Top

Rafa looks like he had a great time this Halloween. Those are some photos that will be classics down the line. (Of course, Rafa looks like he is having a great time in every photo I see him in!)

189jnwelch
Nov 2, 11:23am Top

>186 msf59: Happy Friday and now Saturday, Mark. Yeah, we can deal with this kind of weather, although I wouldn't mind a blip upward in temperature so we can do winter prep. We've still got snow hanging around by us.

I'll keep Maggy Garrisson out for next time we meet up. I'll do a mini-review here, too, at some point. It doesn't look like it's getting any publicity here in the U.S., and it deserves it. Looking forward to The Silence of Our Friends; thanks for thinking of me.

>187 Familyhistorian: Isn't that a great idea, Meg? Fun costumes. It cracks us up every time we talk about the parrot with the pirate on his shoulder.

>188 ronincats: Ha! You're right, Roni. Those are going to be some classic photos down the line. Rafa is a very busy boy wherever he may be (when awake!), and does have a great time. He did an excellent job of picking his parents.

190jnwelch
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Another excellent book from Jacqueline Woodson. I've yet to be disappointed even a little bit by her. Red at the Bone is sleek storytelling, with two black families, one wealthy and one not, becoming tied together when their teen children have a daughter. The young father wants them to be a family; the mother is restless and has greater ambitions. As usual with Woodson, a lot of social issues get addressed in an engaging and moving story.



Friday Black is a collection of high voltage short stories - the first one, about tolerance of racist violence and killing, is so rough and powerful that I had to put the book down for a while before taking it up again. Author Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah is new to me, and impressive. The stories are remarkably inventive; I had no idea in what direction they were going. The title story involves a store salesman who understands human psychology so well that he can easily manipulate customers into large purchases. A competition leader among the salespeople because of it, he hates the job and takes 15 minute bathroom breaks just to get away. Some stories have fantasy or magic realism elements, like the two dead twins who tag along with their father in one, and all are different from anything I've read before.

191richardderus
Nov 2, 12:00pm Top

>190 jnwelch: Happy you liked Friday Black, Joe, despite its stark and unsparing worldview. It really isn't the typical speculative fiction voice, and that's a big part of why I loved it so much. This is his first book. It should only be not-the-only in my best life.

*sigh* *adds Red at the Bone to the TBR*

192SandyAMcPherson
Nov 2, 1:15pm Top

I loved that garden (back in 1997)!! (>4 jnwelch:).
Don't mind me... I'm revisiting some starred threads where I may never have done much, but lurk!

193charl08
Nov 2, 2:30pm Top

>182 jnwelch: Well, since you asked...

I have my students dress up as difficult words in the dictionary on Halloween. This year's highlights: #edchat pic.twitter.com/nHl4hKTt41

— donnie (@mrpiercEy) October 31, 2019


194Donna828
Nov 2, 4:13pm Top

I love ALL of the Rafa pictures. You could market a Rafa calendar for next year, Joe. Halloween is such fun for kids, even the littlest ones who don't have a clue about what's going on. Candy! What's not to love about that?

195msf59
Nov 2, 6:32pm Top

Happy Saturday, Joe. Glad to wrap up my long work week. Now, I have the next 2 days off. Yah! I know you recently finished a poetry collection by Hanif Abdurraqib and I just finished a NF book of his, Go Ahead in the Rain: Notes to a Tribe Called Quest, which is about the incredible rap/jazz band, of the same name. I highly doubt you are a rap fan but I really enjoyed this book. I had no idea it was the same author, until I was combing through his bibliography. Deciding on my next audio...

196EBT1002
Nov 3, 12:06am Top

Hi Joe! My copy of Magical Negro arrived and I will read it in the next few days.

I'm so glad Good Talk is getting love and attention from critics! I want everyone to read it!!!

I have Red at the Bone firmly ensconced on my wish list and I'm glad you appreciated Friday Black.

By the way, I recommend the film Harriet. We saw it today. It was excellent. Luckily, we had plans to go out to dinner afterwards and they made a good Manhattan.

197jnwelch
Nov 3, 5:05pm Top

>191 richardderus: I did like Friday Black a lot, RD, thanks. I had to catch my breath after that first one, but I'm glad I kept going. Yeah, I'm looking forward to more from this guy. Speculative fiction didn't cross my mind. I don't know what you call what he's doing, but I hope he keeps on doing it.

Go Red at the Bone!

>192 SandyAMcPherson: Nice to have you here, Sandy. Please de-lurk more often!

I'm glad you got to visit the Leeds castle gardens. We loved it there.

>193 charl08: Ha! Thanks, Charlotte. Lethargic made me laugh. I'm not sure I "get" the lackadaisical one, but I love it.

>194 Donna828: Thanks, Donna. He's a sweet boy, that Rafa. Most of the photos are thanks to his parents, and particularly his Mom. You're right about even the littlest ones enjoying Halloween. We had snow, and part of the fun was how much the little ones were enjoying that, even apart from the candy.

198jnwelch
Edited: Nov 3, 5:21pm Top

>195 msf59: Your friend the Slowpoke salutes you with a Happy Sunday, my friend. I'm glad you got that work week done with, and that you've got 2 days off. That Hanif Abdurraqib poetry collection had its moments, as we discussed, and I'd heard of that Tribe Called Quest book - I had no idea he wrote it! I'm probably more of a rap fan than you'd expect - a lot of slam poets go into rap. (Chance the Rapper, Saba and others have gone through YCA's Wordplay). Good to hear you really enjoyed his NF book.

I'll look forward to hearing (!) what you decide to read on audio.

I finished Broom of the System - wow, I say. Another entertaining fountain of words from a genius.

>196 EBT1002: Oh good, Ellen. I hope you enjoy Magical Negro. Can't wait to hear what you think - she packs a wallop.

Isn't that great that Good Talk is getting that love and attention from the critics? I'm so with you about wanting everyone to read it!! I have to stop myself from grabbing virtual lapels or slipping the book into backpacks. I have gotten it into the hands of most of my family. Debbi just finished it recently and loved it.

Yes, Friday Black was impressive. Thank goodness for you and Richard and others pushing it. You'll appreciate Red at the Bone, I'm sure.

I've made a note about "Harriet". I'm happy to hear it's well done. Dinner and a good Manhattan afterwards - I'm sure that was quite a conversation. :-)

199jnwelch
Nov 3, 5:31pm Top



Our Buddha enjoying life under the crabapple tree

200richardderus
Nov 3, 6:19pm Top

>199 jnwelch: I love that! Please tell me you'll harvest and jam-or-jelly those lovely crabapples....

201richardderus
Nov 3, 6:20pm Top

>200 richardderus: ...or make a delicious in-place-of-cranberries compote for Thanksgiving...

202jnwelch
Nov 4, 8:16am Top

>200 richardderus:, >201 richardderus: Ha! If you lived nearby, I'd say yes, Richard. As it is, we're probably only going to enjoy their visual splendor.

203jnwelch
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204jnwelch
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What a beautiful Little Free Library!

205msf59
Edited: Nov 4, 9:00am Top

>204 jnwelch: LIKE!

Morning, Joe! Happy Monday! You know I only say that, when I have the day off. I spent very little time on LT yesterday but trying to catch up on a few threads today. I did my home workout and getting ready to eat a hearty breakfast. I will then make my way to the Arboretum, for a long stroll. Looks to be a very nice day. I have to take advantage of it when I can. I am going to switch gears on my next audio pick and go with On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which I have had saved on the iPod for eons.

Good luck with your workout and enjoy your day!

206jessibud2
Edited: Nov 4, 9:17am Top

>203 jnwelch: - How cool! Where is that?

>204 jnwelch: - Possibly the very best location I have yet to see for an LFL! Wow!

207richardderus
Nov 4, 9:20am Top

>203 jnwelch: *baaawww*

>204 jnwelch: My bike!! Where'd you find a photo of my bike?! I last saw it in 1969.

208SandyAMcPherson
Nov 4, 10:36am Top

>203 jnwelch:, A paean to autumn, that photo. ♡

209karenmarie
Edited: Nov 4, 10:40am Top

'Morning, Joe, and happy 4 days before Friday.

Lovely Buddha, lovely LFL.

210Caroline_McElwee
Nov 4, 2:07pm Top

>199 jnwelch: lovely, Joe.

211jnwelch
Edited: Nov 4, 3:45pm Top

>205 msf59: Happy Monday, Mark! I'd only say that knowing you have it off.

Looks like an excellent day for the Arboretum. I'll bet you had a great time.

James Bond! I went on a binge reading and re-reading those a few years ago. That should be diverting on the route.

It was a good workout day, and we re-stocked the larder. After lunch, I'm going to get back to my Stephen Fry lessons. Oh, and I started Night Boat to Tangier! The two Irish buddies are something else, like a couple of more threatening and loquacious Beckett characters.

>206 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. That lovely one in >203 jnwelch: apparently is in Antwerp, Belgium. Isn't that a beautiful location for that Little Free Library?

>207 richardderus: So cutesome, that >203 jnwelch:, isn't it, RD?

Your donation of your bike to >204 jnwelch: is noted and appreciated. Because it looks so good there, you unfortunately can't have it back.

>208 SandyAMcPherson: Right, Sandy? Gorgeous!

>209 karenmarie: Ha! You're right, Karen. We’re only 4 days from Friday. It's right around the corner. :-)

Thanks re our pal Buddha and the lovely LFL.

>210 Caroline_McElwee: Isn't that lovely, Caroline? Thanks. He's very happy there. His location has gotten prettier and prettier.

212quondame
Nov 4, 3:05pm Top

>203 jnwelch: ❤️💛💚💙 🐶💙💚💛❤️

213jnwelch
Nov 4, 9:16pm Top

>212 quondame:. 😀👍❤️❣️😎👏🦄🦉😃❤️

214EBT1002
Edited: Nov 4, 11:35pm Top

>199 jnwelch: Sweet.

>203 jnwelch: Aww.

>204 jnwelch: Even sweeter!

215scaifea
Nov 5, 5:38am Top

Morning, Joe! So are you participating in the exercises that Fry sets out in the book?

216msf59
Nov 5, 7:01am Top

Morning, Joe. I am so glad to hear you started Night Boat to Tangier. I hope you enjoy your time with Moss & Charlie. I loved that book. Back to the grind today...

217jnwelch
Nov 5, 9:34am Top

>214 EBT1002: :-) Thanks, Ellen.

>215 scaifea: Morning, Amber! Amazingly enough, I am doing the exercises Fry sets out in The Ode Less Travelled. I'm treating it like I'm taking a course from a witty and trustworthy professor. That also means it'll take me about a semester to read it! I'll be exercising with it this morning.

>216 msf59: Morning, Mark. Moss & Charlie are never at a loss for words, are they. Ha! So far, so good. Certainly a different kind of read for me.

I hope Bond, James Bond, helps with the grind.

218jnwelch
Edited: Nov 5, 9:49am Top









Some of our UK friends probably know about this 9 year old, Joe Whale, from Shrewsbury, England. He got in trouble for doodling in class, but an art teacher saw his talent and encouraged him, as did his parents. Long story short, his work started getting known, and this restaurant hired him to decorate their wall.

Here's the story: https://www.boredpanda.com/doodle-boy-decorates-restaurant-joe-whale/?utm_source...

219richardderus
Nov 5, 10:45am Top

Joe Whale FTW!

Have a lovely, bookish Tuesday.

220vivians
Nov 5, 11:25am Top

Love the Rafa photos, Joe, what a cutie! And the doodle boy story is terrific. I've always loved doodling and doodlers, but feared it was a lost art since no one seems to use writing implements anymore.

221jessibud2
Nov 5, 12:12pm Top

Love this doodle guy. The link won't let me access the article unless I turn off my ad blocker, which I won't do. I will just see if I can google to learn more about him.

222jnwelch
Nov 5, 1:47pm Top

This is for Janeites and those interested in book collecting.



These two 1890 editions are identical in content, from the same printer, with the same illustrations and typefont, but the second was for the educational market and was 42% cheaper. The first now is a revered and hard-sought collectible; the second is not. This LA Review of Books article questions that thinking, the prizing of the expensive editions, when it was the cheap editions that made Austen an icon whose work is beloved around the world: https://blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/prides-prejudices-book-collecting/?fbcli...

"Austen by the 1890s was sold in printed paper boards for 1 or 2 shillings, and in flimsy paperbacks for sixpence and even thruppence, at Victorian book stalls and railway stations. These cheap and hardworking Austens, however, have largely been ignored by historians whose eyes remain stubbornly trained upon the highbrow and middle-class books found in academic libraries: rare firsts, handsomely illustrated tomes, or “authoritative” editions. The myopia of the scholarly gaze is an unintended consequence of standard collecting practices. Read to bits, sacrificed in paper drives, or simply discarded, the cheapest versions of Austen’s novels live the hardest lives. Few of these shabby and tattered reprintings found their way into the sanctum sanctorum of rare books libraries or special collections, even though cheap books help make authors canonical."

223jnwelch
Nov 5, 1:56pm Top

>219 richardderus: Thanks, RD. It has been a lovely, bookish Tuesday so far, with a lot of Stephen Fry in it, as well as some Night Boat to Tangier and Toi Derricotte's new and selected poems. "Joe Whale FTW!" - love it!

>220 vivians: Thanks, Vivian. Good point - how many students use pen and paper these days, with the chance to doodle? It probably happens a lot more at 9 years old than older. Look at how much fun he's having while creating!

>221 jessibud2: I love this doodle guy, too, Shelley. I'll bet you found the article via Google? Bored Panda is just a pass-through site, I believe.

A funny connection -we often call Rafa "Rafadoodle" - he's another doodle guy we love. Maybe he'll follow in Joe Whale's footsteps.

224karenmarie
Nov 5, 2:05pm Top

>222 jnwelch: I am a Janeite and would love to be a collector. Interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. It strikes me as odd that "WorldCat or OCLC, the ultimate online inventory of the world’s libraries, records only one known copy of Bell’s Pride and Prejudice on the shelves of institutional libraries, whereas it logs over one hundred copies of Allen’s identical edition." yet the Allen edition is more highly valued. You'd think fewer available copies of a book would increase the value.

I'm toying with the idea of reading all of Jane Austen's works next year my personal challenge - 6 novels and Sanditon, The Watsons, Lady Susan & Other Miscellanea. This is just another confirmation that it's a good thing to do.

225Caroline_McElwee
Nov 5, 2:20pm Top

>218 jnwelch: isn't that great Joe. See if your little pirate starts showing gifts along those lines...

226jnwelch
Edited: Nov 5, 2:37pm Top

>224 karenmarie: Nice to have a fellow Janeite on the premises, Karen. The rarer edition is less sought after - it doesn't really make sense, does it. But collectors apparently love the posh editions. I'd love to see the author's growing collection of un-posh editions.

I think that's a great project you're thinking about. I probably mentioned it, but I want to read The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Juvenallia - that is the correct title, LT, so why no touchstone? Anyway, there's a lot in it, including The History of England and Love and Freindship (sic). She must've come out of the womb writing.

>225 Caroline_McElwee: :-) I'd love to have our little pirate be an artist of some sort, Caroline. We'll see!

227jnwelch
Nov 5, 4:41pm Top

I've posted our friend Keith Taylor's cartoons here from time to time, and I've been getting asked where folks can buy a collection. You can buy Keith's cartoon collections (I think there are four now, the most recent being Mostly Trump and Other Disasters Volume 2) at blurb.com: https://www.blurb.com/. You'll see "Bookstore" at the right of the top banner. You'll need to start a login account (at least I did) with email address, username and password - simple. Search the bookstore for Keith Taylor or Mostly Trump.

Like Mark, I have the most recent collection and love it. Facebook friend Keith and you'll get his cartoons on FB every day - usually multiples.

At his exhibit, Debbi asked him if he was working on any cartoons that day. He looked off into space and said,"I'm sure I am." Ha!

Here is the one we bought a framed copy of at his exhibition in the Oak Park Library on Sunday:

228richardderus
Nov 5, 6:44pm Top

>227 jnwelch: I've asked him to friend me. I admire his art, and his politics.

229SandyAMcPherson
Nov 5, 9:21pm Top

>227 jnwelch: Awesome visuals. Taylor got it in a nutshell.

*pun intended*
Now I'm probably banned from posting...

230kac522
Nov 5, 11:17pm Top

>224 karenmarie:, >226 jnwelch: Good time to read (or re-read) Sanditon as Masterpiece on PBS begins airing a new 8 episode adaptation in January:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/sanditon/

231jnwelch
Nov 6, 8:07am Top

>228 richardderus: Oh good, Richard. Ditto for me. He's a great guy.

>229 SandyAMcPherson: Ha! I'm glad you enjoyed that Taylor cartoon, Sandy. The good news is, here, your intended pun means we'll all be asking you to post more. :-)

>230 kac522: Right! Thanks, Kathy. I've been reading about the PBS Sanditon. I'm not a fan of the book - it was unfinished, and in my mind I'm sure she would've reworked it and made it better if she hadn't died. But I do love PBS, so I'll keep an open mind.

232jnwelch
Edited: Nov 6, 8:43am Top



Anyone read Nancy Drew as a kid? I did, some (I was more of a Hardy Boys guy), and then a lot with our daughter Becca when she reached the right age. Here's a ranking of the 56 of them (the originals), from least good to best. I'd rank The Secret of Shadow Ranch(introducing Bess and George) much higher, and I may have to track down the top two. Either we didn't read them, or I"m not remembering them.

https://theweek.com/articles/869414/all-56-classic-nancy-drew-books-ranked?fbcli... ai1SVDcYcAAhb1lZI_Ex86SLKPKjBfBf5JknWSOEjM81s

233jessibud2
Nov 6, 9:41am Top

>232 jnwelch: - Oh, I did! I read every single one of them (when there were still a reasonable number; I cringe at the later *incarnations*). I still pick up the odd original at yard sales or used bookshops when I see them. Just for old time's sake

234laytonwoman3rd
Nov 6, 10:04am Top

>232 jnwelch:, Oh, I was addicted to Nancy Drew. And if I didn't have access to a new one, I'd read the same one over and over. I made a little "notch" in pencil inside the cover of The Clue in the Leaning Chimney every time I read it, and I still have my old copy---there are 13 notches in it!

235richardderus
Nov 6, 10:17am Top

>232 jnwelch: Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Encyclopedia Brown, all of 'em I could talk Mama into buying for me. I grew up with all the mystery loving women of my household, and still love mysteries. I've said it many times: The appeal for me (others too, or so I suspect) is that ma'at is preserved and Right is done; sometimes that doesn't match what the law demands and I'm okay with that.

236weird_O
Nov 6, 11:05am Top

Hey, Joe. Nice to get back here for a cuppa or three. Haven't even been lurking, I'm sad to say. Nature seems to have pulled the plug on my internet connection, and Verizon couldn't restore the connection for four days. Us country folk are usually last on the list.

Like the Halloween stuff. Rafa and his minions. We've been doing Halloween at our older son's house for several years, but the dynamic shifted this year with the twins in college. It shifted more when the city postponed T-or-T to Friday because tunder 'n' lightning was forecast for Thursday evening. Lots of kids (and parents), most with terrific costumes. I returned home with a small cache of canny bars (and still have some!).

Gotta love Joe Whale! Hats off to the restauranteur who hired him to decorate the walls. Reminds me of Keith Haring, who did a lot of walls, both indoors and out.

237jnwelch
Edited: Nov 6, 2:53pm Top

>233 jessibud2: Our daughter and I had such a good time with the Nancy Drews, Shelley, that I'm still tempted every time I see one of them at some sale. Makes me feel good just to look at them.

>234 laytonwoman3rd: Nice addiction to have, Linda. I got hooked reading them with our daughter; as a lad it was The Hardy Boys. I remember a boyfriend of one of my sisters brought me a whole box of his that he'd outgrown, and I was in heaven. The Clue in the Leaning Chimney - now you've got me wanting to find a copy and notch it. :-) 13 notches is impressive.

>235 richardderus: Ah, Encyclopedia Brown. Those were fun. Yeah, my parents loved reading mysteries, and I still do. Lots of Brits in our bookcase. Does anyone read John Dickson Carr these days? He was one of my faves. An American, not a Brit, but his seemed to fit with the Brit ones.

For those of you following along at home, "ma'at" is the ancient Egyptian goddess of truth, justice, harmony, and balance (a concept known as ma'at in Egyptian) who first appears during the period known as the Old Kingdom. (Did I know that? Let's pretend I did). Yeah, it's great to have problems figured out and resolved, with truth, justice, harmony and balance preserved/restored

>236 weird_O: Hiya, Bill. I saw over on your thread that the internet vamoosed on you for a while. I'm glad you're back with us. How did we live without the internet, back in the days of the dinosaurs?

Daughter Becca was a Minion for Halloween, so if we could've gotten them together, she could've literally been one of Rafa's minions. I don't remember Halloween getting moved to a different day before (of course, there are so many things I don't remember); it happened a lot this year because of the crappy weather. I'm glad you still had a good one at your son's house, with plenty in terrific costumes. I rarely eat candy, so I welcome this chance; I didn't slip away with a small cache like you, but I did have some of my favorite mini-Nestle Crunches lifted from the T or T bowl.

Isn't that Joe Whale story great? I was thinking the same thing about that restauranteur - if I lived nearby, I'd make sure to visit that restaurant. Yeah, there is a Keith Haring flavor to it all, isn't there. We got to see a cool Keith Haring wall in Barcelona (not my photo):



In English: Together we can stop AIDS

238m.belljackson
Nov 6, 3:22pm Top

Poem for today, 6th of November, 2:13 pm:

A grove of donkeys
A cuddle of kittens
A prickle of hedgehogs
A torrent of impeachments.

239jessibud2
Nov 6, 3:42pm Top

>235 richardderus:, >237 jnwelch: - LOL! I just assumed Richard was saying *might* in his suth'en drawl.... ;-)

>236 weird_O: - Keith Haring also jumped into my mind as I looked at the doodlekid's work. I also noticed Doodlekid is a lefty. ;-). Of course he is!

240richardderus
Nov 6, 4:01pm Top

>237 jnwelch:, >239 jessibud2: Oh yeah...I've used the term for so very long, in fact since I first learned it in high school, that I forget it's not common currency. Well, it soon will be if I have anything to say about it.

Drawl! Ma'am, I shall have you to know that it's not us'ns have drawls, it's y'all that sound like scissors y'all clip the words so close.

241jnwelch
Nov 6, 4:33pm Top

>238 m.belljackson: Ha! I love it, Marianne. What a wonderful last line. :-)

Do you know the book An Exaltation of Larks? It's full of expressions like that, with drawings. Surprisingly, to me anyway, it's by the "Actor's Studio" guy, James Lipton.

>239 jessibud2: RD is full of unexpected knowledge gems, so I knew to look "ma'at" up. It's a good 'un, isn't it.

I'm sensing from your "of course" to Joe Whale's leftiness that you're probably a lefty?

>240 richardderus: I've known the term "ma'at" for several minutes now, so I'm feeling pretty erudite. I'll let you and Shelley brawl over the drawl. I have that cultured Midwestern accent that all the newscasters want.

242jessibud2
Nov 6, 5:26pm Top

>241 jnwelch: - I have that Lipton book, Joe; I love language-related books. I have a whole 2 shelves dedicated to them. Do you know Richard Lederer?

Yes, I am a proud lefty, the first to my knowledge in my family. As far back as we were able to trace it (to my grandmother's parents), no one before me has been a lefty, not even a forced righty. I do have some younger cousins who are lefties, though.

I'm Canadian. I don't have an accent, by the way....;-)

243msf59
Nov 6, 5:38pm Top

Happy Wednesday, Joe. I hope you are having a good day. The weather cooperated, so it made my work day a bit easier. I am really enjoying The Man Who Saw Everything, although it did take a very odd turn, at the halfway point. I really like her writing.

I hope you are continuing to enjoy Night Boat to Tangier. I liked the Dilly angle in the later sections, too.

244DeltaQueen50
Nov 6, 8:42pm Top

Hi Joe, I quicky skimmed through your thread and of course I was brought to a full stop by the fun pictures of your son, the parrot and grandson, the pirate. Looks like they had a great Halloween. I've been reading a lot but otherwise going just a little crazy being cooped up and not able to move much. Hopefully my knee will tolerate my spending more time at my computer so I can catch up here!

245charl08
Nov 7, 2:22am Top

Very much enjoying The Secret Commonwealth, looked up last night and I had read 100 pages and it was much later than I thought! Thank you for the nudge to read it. It's come from the library in a brand new edition, and the black and white images at the head of each chapter are a really lovely touch.

246scaifea
Nov 7, 6:58am Top

Morning, Joe!

I *loved* Nancy Drew when I was a kid. I don't think Charlie has read any, but he's a huge fan of Encyclopedia Brown.

247karenmarie
Nov 7, 8:41am Top

‘Morning, Joe!

>218 jnwelch: I neglected to tell you how wonderful that boy and his art is. Thanks for sharing.

>230 kac522: Thanks, Kathy! I’ve already marked it on my calendar. Quite exciting. I might start with Sanditon on January 1. I’m really gearing up for this new challenge now.

>232 jnwelch: I got my start loving mysteries with Nancy Drew! I still have 23 of them on my shelves, some that I bought with my allowance money when I was 10, some I’ve gathered over the years, especially the original blue-cover editions. I’m almost scared to read them again. I also read some of the Dana Girls and some of the Hardy Boys. In 6th grade I graduated to Perry Mason – imagine the shock on poor Mrs. Brett’s face when we were reading to her one-on-one with our free reading book and I started in with Perry, Della, and Paul and the damns and hells flew. Apparently she brought it up with my mother, who had no problem with what I was reading. Most, if not all, of it went over my head of course.

I think I'm a forced righty - I write and do most things right-handed, but throw a ball (poorly) and play cards left-handed.

248jnwelch
Edited: Nov 7, 9:01am Top

>242 jessibud2: Isn't Exaltation of Larks a fun one, Shelley? I've seen Richard Lederer books, but haven't read him. Is that a recommendation?

Go lefties! Isn't Obama a lefty? Thank goodness times have changed. I think one of Madame MBH's uncles was one of those "forced righties" you mentioned. Primitive views. My first math teachers were both lefties, and for a long time I assumed that those two went together - math skills and leftiness.

Canadians have no accent, eh? I'll bet you a loonie and a toque that's not right. What would these guys in the Great White North say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pPRaD6TKLc



>243 msf59: Wednesday was a darn good one, Mark, including a Bulls win, and today's only blemish is a dentist appointment (checkup). I'm glad you're liking the Deborah Levy.

Night Boat to Tangier is good and well done. I'm not going to be doing cartwheels over it, but I'm glad to be giving something different a try. Dilly has shown up, so I'm glad to hear you liked that section.

249jnwelch
Nov 7, 9:10am Top

>244 DeltaQueen50: Hi, Judy. I'm sorry to hear that your knee keeps making life difficult and constricted. As I mentioned, I have two bionic hips now, so I have some sense of it. Not fun. I hope the situation improves, one way or another. Thank goodness for computers when mobility is an issue, right?

I'm glad you like Halloween photos. What a concept! The parrot with the pirate on his shoulder makes me laugh every time. And those costume models are both cute, aren't they. I need to find out who they are.

>245 charl08: Oh, glad to hear it, Charlotte. Isn't Secret Commonwealth a great addition to the story? I liked those illustrations, too. Sometimes continuations of series can be disappointing. Not this one.

>246 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

Good to hear you were a member of the Nancy Drew fan club. Becca has continued her enjoyment with mystery-solving Nancy Drew computer games. What ones from the 56 would you put at the top?

250jnwelch
Edited: Nov 7, 9:30am Top

>247 karenmarie: 'Morning, Karen!

You're welcome re Joe Whale. Aren't he and his art wonderful? I'd add into the wonderfulness praise his art teacher and his parents. Don't try to stomp out creativity, encourage it, right?

Yay for your Austen challenge! I'll be watching Sanditon, too.

Did I mention we got to see her writing table at Chawton Cottage in Hampshire? It's a tiny circular table. It's amazing that world-beloved stories started in that small space.



Which Nancy Drew mysteries were your favorites? We never read Dana Girls. We did read The Happy Hollisters with both kids. Wow, were those wholesome. I forgot there were damns and hells in the Erle Stanley Gardner Perry Mason books. Like you, Becca graduated to those, although we never had a teacher contact us about it! Good for your mother.

I wonder whether you're simply ambidextrous (something I've always thought was cool)? Forced righties literally had teachers and parents forcing them to use the right, originally (I believe) because left-handedness was associated with the devil. In other words, it was different than what was "normal". Thank goodness that concept appears to be in the dustbin of history.

251jnwelch
Edited: Nov 7, 10:00am Top



Just a photo I thought was cool - this is a Livingstone's Turaco

252karenmarie
Nov 7, 10:33am Top

Beautiful bird and photo.

I vaguely remember a teacher pulling a pencil out of my hand - perhaps my left, but don't know. I might 'just' be ambidextrous.

253Caroline_McElwee
Nov 7, 10:34am Top

>251 jnwelch: what an intelligent face Joe.

254streamsong
Nov 7, 10:44am Top

Morning, Joe! Just settling in with a cup of morning coffee and a catch up. The trick or treat photos with Raffa are so darn cute. Thanks for sharing them.

I just started The Magical Negro. So much to think about in my whitebread Montana enivornmnent.

Interestingly enough, a friend just posted the Brooks & Dunn video Believe on FB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5z-jjWyAJQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2h0...

Beautiful song, which doesn't mention the color of the old man - but the video smacks of the meme. Funny how once your awareness is raised, you can see it everywhere.

255msf59
Nov 7, 10:46am Top

>251 jnwelch: LIKE! Striking image.

Morning, Joe. Sweet Thursday. Cold out here. Feels like winter. I think Becca recommended People Who Eat Darkness. I think it was one of her favorites. You will have to ask her.

256richardderus
Nov 7, 12:32pm Top

>251 jnwelch: I want to do my hair like that, with lilies of the valley on the ends.

Sadly impossible...I have no hair. On my head, anyway, and shoulderlocks done in that style just haven't got the same je ne sais quoi do they?

257magicians_nephew
Edited: Nov 7, 1:09pm Top

>232 jnwelch: I grew up with older sisters and read their books when i ran out so Nancy Drew (and Honey Bunch and those dratted Bobbsey Twins) were definitely on my reading list.

(Never got into "Tom Swift" i think the first one i read had a cruelly stereotyped Negro character that quite turned me off. )

(There was a Bobbsey Twin clue in the New York Times Crossword puzzle this week. "Flossie" - my LEAST favorite Bobbsey)

Of course I didn't know that there were multiple authors contributing to the series but I did know which ones were "the good ones" and which ones were only so-so

I have quite a collection of cheap "Boys books" from the 1930's and 40's. Some big names and some more obscure all pretty written on the same "Strathmore Syndicate" model.

Richard Lederer is very active in American Mensa and his talks at Mensa gatherings about words are always well attended.

258jnwelch
Edited: Nov 7, 2:22pm Top

>252 karenmarie: Ha! Why the heck did I say "just" ambidextrous, Karen? To me, that's the best. Particularly as I get older and hand joints start balking. I'm a rightie, and at times have wondered whether I'm going to have to learn to be a lefty. Sports left my right hand questionable at times. So you're in an elite and desirable group as far as I'm concerned.

>253 Caroline_McElwee: Right, Caroline? That Turaco is probably a forest guru, with other wildlife pilgramaging for wisdom.

>254 streamsong: Hiya, Janet. A cup of morning coffee and catching up sounds like just the ticket. I'm glad you enjoyed those trick or treat photos with Rafa. You're welcome re the sharing of them. We get to see the little pirate and his parrot papa next week! Our DIL, who's 6 months along with the impending daughter, is taking a break for a week, and we'll help out with the little one. I'm looking forward to it; my esteemed bride is almost jumping out of her shoes with anticipation.

Ha! Yes, I can imagine your whitebread Montana environment is quite a contrast with the world of Magical Negro. She's potent, isn't she, that Morgan Parker. I'm glad to hear that you're giving it a go.

I'll watch the B & D video later and swing back with a P.S.

P.S. That's a sweet song and story. I had a wonderful old pal like that as a kid, Harry, the husband of a woman who babysat me and helped clean our house. I wish he'd lived longer; I was still very young when he passed.

259jnwelch
Edited: Nov 7, 1:39pm Top

>255 msf59: Isn't that Turaco photo striking, Mark? I wonder whether we can convince one to visit Montrose Harbor.

Sweet Thursday, buddy. Oh, that's funny about Becca recommending People of the Darkness. I am but the clueless liaison. I'll check with her.

>256 richardderus: LOL! That would be a good look on you, buddy (lilies of the valley on the ends of your hair). I know the problem with lacking the appropriate hair on top. How about in your beard? I'm sure it would be lovely and festive.

>257 magicians_nephew: Oh gosh, Honey Bunch. I'm pretty sure we read a couple of those with the kids. Ditto for me with the older sisters, Jim, although in my case only the one closer in age to me was a big reader. All her Oz books became mine, and she was gracious about it - I think she was affected by my enthusiasm. She and I still exchange recommendations - she just recommended Lisa See's Island of the Sea Women, and I recommended - what else? - Good Talk by Mira Jacob. Like Ellen, I want everyone in the world to read Good Talk.

I don't remember the racism in Tom Swift, although I didn't start with the first one, but it bored me. I remember feeling like the science was dated or not interesting. Didn't the Bobbsey Twins series have racism problems, too? I never read those, but I think my bride told me she tried a re-read and was shocked by that. I know I wanted to share my love of the Doctor Doolittle books with our kids, and then a re-read revealed thoughtless racism, in the jungle in particular as I recall. Equality for talking animals, but not people of color, I guess. Too bad.

There's a book out about how the Nancy Drew books were written, with multiple authors constituting "Carolyn Keene", and it's supposed to be good.

I'm sure Richard Lederer's Mensa talks about words are entertaining. I know little about him.

260jnwelch
Nov 7, 1:46pm Top

Bargains: The Confessions of Nat Turner by William Styron is available on e-readers for $1.99. It's controversial, but I'm among those who found it a compelling read. On the lighter side, one of the "in Death" mysteries by J.D. Robb (Nora Roberts), Glory in Death, is also available for $1.99. I'm a sucker for this series, and I've read every one.

261quondame
Nov 7, 2:54pm Top

>257 magicians_nephew: 'I have quite a collection of cheap "Boys books"' - I'm not sure if the books I'm curious about are from those decades, but in the early 60s I read a shelf full of old books, all set in ancient Rome and pretty much all having a orphan rise above difficult situations and be discovered as the long lost child of patricians. I think the stacks of our high school library were furnished from the childhood collections of the student's grandfathers.

262jessibud2
Edited: Nov 7, 7:04pm Top

>248 jnwelch: - OOO! LOL! Bob and Doug! Now, that brings back memories. My brother and his friend once dressed up as Bob and Doug for Halloween. :-). By the way, only Newfoundlanders have real accents, here in Canada. Have you seen Come From Away ?

Yes, Obama is one of our (lefty) tribe. And no, Joe, math skills and lefties aren't a given. Or if they are, someone forgot to let me know about that! ;-)

I have a bunch of Lederer books. Here is a link to one of his more famous pieces. I'm sure you must have seen it: The World According to Student Bloopers: http://blog.tolik.org/2012/02/world-according-to-student-bloopers-by.html

I'd love to hear him give a talk

263Berly
Nov 7, 9:31pm Top

So far behind, but Hi!! I 'll try to keep up more on your next thread. : )

264jnwelch
Nov 8, 8:07am Top

>261 quondame: :-)

>262 jessibud2: Ha! Bob and Doug cracked me up. Growing up in Michigan (Ann Arbor) we got a Canadian station, so I got to see a lot of the Great White North. We did see Come from Away in NYC, and loved it.

I remember Obama's leftiness in particular from tv of him playing basketball Ha! Yes, I've learned over the years that left-handedness doesn't equal skill in math.

>263 Berly: Hi, Kim! No problem. I'll probably start a new thread over the weekend, or maybe later today. On this thread, I particularly recommend the Halloween photos and the >227 jnwelch: cartoon.

265jnwelch
Nov 8, 8:17am Top



I hope Bill can find us all right

266msf59
Nov 8, 10:45am Top

>265 jnwelch: Hooray for the weirdos! Our tribe!

Morning, Joe. Happy Friday. Quite cold out there but the sunshine and lack of wind, should make it bearable.

People Who Eat Darkness has been creepy and riveting.

267banjo123
Nov 8, 11:34am Top

>265 jnwelch: Great advice!

268karenmarie
Nov 8, 11:48am Top

Hi Joe!

>252 karenmarie: You said 'simply' ambidextrous, I said 'just'. No pejorative meaning from either word - I'm good.

I hope you're having a great day.

269richardderus
Nov 8, 4:50pm Top

>265 jnwelch: I've been doing that since 1975. So far, so good.

270Familyhistorian
Nov 8, 8:42pm Top

>262 jessibud2: By the way, only Newfoundlanders have real accents, here in Canada. I guess you've never been to Cape Breton, Shelley.

I remember reading a few Nancy Drews but that phase didn't last long as I quickly moved to more adult mysteries like Agatha Christies. >227 jnwelch: Love that cartoon of Keith's, Joe.

271jessibud2
Nov 8, 10:15pm Top

>270 Familyhistorian: - I haven't been to Cape Breton though I have a good friend who is from there. She didn't have an accent, that I could discern. But I can pick a Newfoundlander out in a crowd, though, to be fair, they don't all have that accent, I know!

272jnwelch
Nov 9, 9:53am Top

Bargains: Most of the Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries are $1.99 today on Kindle, with a couple at $3.99. That may be true on other e-readers as well.

273jnwelch
Nov 9, 10:29am Top

>266 msf59: Weirdos of the World Unite! That's our tribe, all right, Mark.

Man, we bundled up for errands this morning. The good news is I love Starbucks' eggnog lattes, and Becca likes their eggnog chai, and the season has arrived. Pittsburgh next week is supposed to be warmer than Chicago, so our timing's good there.

I'll let Becca know how much you're enjoying People Who Eat Darkness. No wonder she liked it - creepy and riveting sounds just like her. I probably mentioned that my mom loved true crime books, too, and they bonded big time over that. I'm glad she can share tips on them with you.

>267 banjo123: Right, Rhonda? I think we have a lot of kindred weirdo souls in our 75ers group.

>268 karenmarie: Oh good, thanks for circling back on that, Karen. I'm glad I wasn't as dopey as I thought. It's a great day so far, and only going to get better. We're celebrating a friend's 70th birthday (!! how'd he get that old?) later at the Read/Write library (his daughter runs it) and after that heading to a Bulls - Rockets basketball game.

274jnwelch
Nov 9, 10:37am Top

>269 richardderus: Your weirdo light shines brightly, Richard, and seems to get stronger every year. :-) Was 1975 a special year, or are you way younger than I thought?

>270 Familyhistorian: Hi, Meg. I know I only know someone's Canadian if they tell me, or if they use an expression like "twig on it". Now I want to hear a Cape Breton accent.

>271 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley. We loved that Newfoundland accent in Come From Away.

275jnwelch
Edited: Nov 9, 10:39am Top



Rafa with his abuela Alba

276msf59
Nov 9, 10:56am Top

>275 jnwelch: Love it! Go Rafa!

Morning, Joe. Happy Saturday. I am working but I will be off the next 3 days. Yah! When do you guys go to PA?

I am sure it is high on your TBR list, but I will be starting the audio of The Water Dancer next week. Double yah!

277richardderus
Nov 9, 11:28am Top

>274 jnwelch: I'll just biff this out there for the curious to learn about Cape Bretonese.

I date my adulthood to 1975. Many, many things changed, mostly for the better. I suspect they'd make for disturbing reading, so I'll remain sibylline in my utterance.

>275 jnwelch: *baaawww*

278quondame
Nov 9, 1:37pm Top

>272 jnwelch: Thanks!

>275 jnwelch: A bit of spice there.

279jnwelch
Nov 10, 10:33am Top

>276 msf59: We see that little guy on Tuesday, Mark. Happy Saturday/Sunday. I'm glad you're off on the first of three days. Perfect!

Yeah, The Water Dancer is on my tbr list. For some reason, this second half of the year I haven't felt like reading the "hot"books. I'll get to it eventually. I'm sure it'll be great, and a good pick to enjoy on your days off.

>277 richardderus: Thanks for biffing that one over to me, RD. I don't know what to make of that accent; haven't heard one like that before!

Ha! That was sibyline, my friend, but intriguing. A watershed year for me would be the one in which I met the esteemed Debbi.

Ha! That little guy is a sweet one, isn't he.

>278 quondame: You're welcome, Susan. Go Lord Peter!

He's got some sugar with that spice, that little Rafa. He's also non-stop action. I love that his dad has to chase him around and keep him out of trouble, just like I had to chase his dad.

280humouress
Nov 10, 11:01am Top

.... just too much to catch up on ....

>238 m.belljackson: And you set me off on 'Ode to Autumn': Seasons of mist and mellow fruitfulness, Close-bossomed friend of the maturing sun ... My older son is doing his GCSE exams and that was one of the poems I had to learn about for my English Lit exam at the same age. Add to that I'm currently re-reading Dave Duncan's A Man of His Word series whose titles are taken from another Keats poem and I seem to see his quotes everywhere.

Re lefties, the same son is a lefty. That is to say, about 70% of the time. I haven't forced him to use his right hand instead, except when using a fork and knife but he does seem to naturally be right handed for some things. When he plays cricket, for example, he bowls with his (I think I have this correct) left hand but bats with his right. Which is a shame because left-handed batsmen have such an advantage.

281jnwelch
Edited: Nov 10, 11:40am Top

>279 jnwelch: Hi, Nina.

Keats!

Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness,
Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;
Conspiring with him how to load and bless
With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;
To bend with apples the moss'd cottage-trees,
And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;
To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells
With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,
And still more, later flowers for the bees,
Until they think warm days will never cease,
For summer has o'er-brimm'd their clammy cells.

* * * *

(as you know, there's more: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44484/to-autumn)

Neil Gaiman borrowed from it for his Sandman series, too.

I don't know cricket well enough, but I like that left-handedness can be an advantage in it, too.

I've started a new thread this morning, so it'll be easier to catch up. :-)

282jnwelch
Nov 10, 11:42am Top

The new cafe is open. See you there!

283humouress
Nov 10, 10:01pm Top

>281 jnwelch: Thanks for the full verse, Joe. Obviously it has been branded on my memory and most of it has stuck even after some 30 odd (very odd sometimes) years.

Lefties have an advantage when it comes to racquet sports and such like. I have an uncle who's a lefty and a wicked tennis player. He played in the Davis cup when he was young and kept up his tennis through his working career; then when he retired, he did very well on the senior circuit. He's well into his eighties now and retired from playing internationally a while back. I think he has also given up state and county by now.

Thanks for starting a new thread for me; I'll pop over and give it my stamp of approval.

284jnwelch
Nov 10, 10:06pm Top

>283 humouress: Ha! You're welcome, Nina. I knew a new thread would make it easier for you, and I figured no one else would mind. :-)

How cool to be able to play at the level your uncle did. He must've been really something to watch. Nadal takes full advantage of his leftiness, and back in the day I loved watching Rod Laver play.

See you at the new place.

285streamsong
Edited: Nov 12, 11:18am Top

Re the video in >254 streamsong: and your reply in >258 jnwelch: . Would you call it 'Magical Negro' or just a sweet story? Trying to wrap my head around the Magical Negro meme - Posted this here rather than on your newest thread so I could reference the posts.

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