1knerd.knitter
This thread should be used to post bugs found on the new LT2 Author page.
See talk post for announcement.
See talk post for announcement.
2mice_elf
The new page is looking awesome! Congrats :-)
I did notice a small bug(?) on the Helper Hub page under the "combine with section". There's a "Never?" button that does not appear to do anything.
The "(never combine)" button takes you to a blank page.
See: https://www.librarything.com/author/jacksonshirley-1/helperhub
I did notice a small bug(?) on the Helper Hub page under the "combine with section". There's a "Never?" button that does not appear to do anything.
The "(never combine)" button takes you to a blank page.
See: https://www.librarything.com/author/jacksonshirley-1/helperhub
3DuncanHill
No obvious way to assign works on a disambiguation page https://www.librarything.com/author/ravensimon
4knerd.knitter
>2 mice_elf: In attempt to fix this I've actually gotten rid of those links on that page. Let me know if you find another.
5DuncanHill
Anthony Trollope is NOT Simon Raven (1), whatever LT may say.
https://www.librarything.com/author/ravensimon-1
https://www.librarything.com/author/ravensimon-1
6rosalita
I'm looking at the author page for Justin Cronin for this, although I assume it's the same for all authors. When you toggle the Lists section from List to Stacks, it only shows 9 of them and I can't see any way to expand that or a link to Show All.
7knerd.knitter
>3 DuncanHill: No obvious way to assign works on a disambiguation page
Was there before? If you go to the helper hub, linked on the right, you should be able to get to the assignment pages.
>5 DuncanHill: Anthony Trollope is NOT Simon Raven (1), whatever LT may say
This is just a display bug; I will fix it.
Was there before? If you go to the helper hub, linked on the right, you should be able to get to the assignment pages.
>5 DuncanHill: Anthony Trollope is NOT Simon Raven (1), whatever LT may say
This is just a display bug; I will fix it.
8knerd.knitter
>6 rosalita: When you toggle the Lists section from List to Stacks, it only shows 9 of them
This is a known issue that is going to be resolved.
This is a known issue that is going to be resolved.
9DuncanHill
>7 knerd.knitter: "No obvious way to assign works on a disambiguation page
Was there before? If you go to the helper hub, linked on the right, you should be able to get to the assignment pages"
Yes, there was a clickable "edit the division" (I think that's what it said) link.
Combine works is hidden in the "helper hub" too.
So more clicks to get there, and "helper hub" doesn't, to me, say "edit this author" or "improve this author".
Was there before? If you go to the helper hub, linked on the right, you should be able to get to the assignment pages"
Yes, there was a clickable "edit the division" (I think that's what it said) link.
Combine works is hidden in the "helper hub" too.
So more clicks to get there, and "helper hub" doesn't, to me, say "edit this author" or "improve this author".
10DuncanHill
Division history truncated.
https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=ravensimon&page=assign
It was possible to see the whole history of work assigning - there was something to click at the bottom. This was very helpful in double-checking, and in repairing some mistakes in author combination or assigning.
https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=ravensimon&page=assign
It was possible to see the whole history of work assigning - there was something to click at the bottom. This was very helpful in double-checking, and in repairing some mistakes in author combination or assigning.
11knerd.knitter
>9 DuncanHill: Yes, there was a clickable "edit the division"
I see, you mean the improve section on the right side. Yes, we made a choice to move all of that to the helper hub.
I see, you mean the improve section on the right side. Yes, we made a choice to move all of that to the helper hub.
12DuncanHill
>11 knerd.knitter: "we made a choice to move all of that to the helper hub."
I think that was a mistake. I also think it was a mistake to make us have to click twice to edit any field in CK.
I think that was a mistake. I also think it was a mistake to make us have to click twice to edit any field in CK.
14Stevil2001
I don't know if this counts as a bug, but I find it a bit odd that LT picks a work that an author is only a contributor to for its "Author of Such-and-such" notice at the top of the page. For example: https://www.librarything.com/author/cornellpaul-1 Paul Cornell wrote just one story in Rogues; using London Falling there would make a lot more sense.
15waltzmn
>12 DuncanHill: >11 knerd.knitter: knerd.knitter: "we made a choice to move all of that to the helper hub."
I'm with DuncanHill on this one. A very large fraction of my library is very old books or very obscure books for which the LT data is all wrong. Authors, divisions, combinations, relations -- the standard state of the data is "mess." Fixing it is already a tremendous amount of work. Don't make us hunt any more for it -- or at least make it a preference that we can have those links at our fingertips.
I recognize that people can do a lot of accidental damage with those links, but at least let us old hands get on with our work. :-)
The double-clicking on Common Knowledge I can probably adapt to. :-)
I'm with DuncanHill on this one. A very large fraction of my library is very old books or very obscure books for which the LT data is all wrong. Authors, divisions, combinations, relations -- the standard state of the data is "mess." Fixing it is already a tremendous amount of work. Don't make us hunt any more for it -- or at least make it a preference that we can have those links at our fingertips.
I recognize that people can do a lot of accidental damage with those links, but at least let us old hands get on with our work. :-)
The double-clicking on Common Knowledge I can probably adapt to. :-)
16knerd.knitter
>14 Stevil2001: LT picks a work that an author is only a contributor to for its "Author of Such-and-such"
That should be picking the most popular of their main works; I will look into it.
That should be picking the most popular of their main works; I will look into it.
17Aquila
I can't confirm that this bug is related to the new form of the page because it is a little while since I've used it. But, using Enid Blyton as my example, if you click through to the Helper's Hub for her author page and select Combine/Separate Works Enid Blyton (primary author only) it correctly comes up with the list of works she is primary author on only,
you can check this by searching one of the authors who wrote sequels to her books on the page, such as Sarah Rodi, and get no results.
If you then attempt to sort that page by Copies (the default sort is Titles), the resulting page will suddenly contain secondary authored works as well as primary, and I get 9 hits for Sara Rodi within the list. Same url for both.
https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=blytonenid&sort=1
Switching from Detailed to Abbreviated seems to do the same unhiding trick.
Blyton has 231 Associated Works, so it's a big change in the list.
you can check this by searching one of the authors who wrote sequels to her books on the page, such as Sarah Rodi, and get no results.
If you then attempt to sort that page by Copies (the default sort is Titles), the resulting page will suddenly contain secondary authored works as well as primary, and I get 9 hits for Sara Rodi within the list. Same url for both.
https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=blytonenid&sort=1
Switching from Detailed to Abbreviated seems to do the same unhiding trick.
Blyton has 231 Associated Works, so it's a big change in the list.
18ExVivre
In the previous iteration, tabs in Google Chrome would display "{Author Name} | LibraryThing," but now it's just showing a generic "Author | LibraryThing" for every author page. It makes it really confusing when I'm working between multiple authors. Edited to remove an accidental Touchstone.
19AnnieMod
>18 ExVivre: Same on Firefox.
20knerd.knitter
>18 ExVivre: In the previous iteration, tabs in Google Chrome would display "{Author Name} | LibraryThing," but now it's just showing a generic "Author | LibraryThing"
I can fix that!
>17 Aquila: I will have to look into how it was working before.
I can fix that!
>17 Aquila: I will have to look into how it was working before.
21lilithcat
Don't know if this is a bug, or if it's intentional:
When assigning works to split authors, it used to be possible to click in the box with the work title OR in the number box. Now, only the number box can be used.
When assigning works to split authors, it used to be possible to click in the box with the work title OR in the number box. Now, only the number box can be used.
23knerd.knitter
>22 lilithcat: Same in Firefox. It's not browser specific. I can fix it.
24knerd.knitter
>17 Aquila: That page was actually LT2-ified a while ago. And when I go to that page and switch the sorting, I see 7 hits when I do a search on the screen for Sara Rodi on both sorts. That page is pretty long, so maybe it hadn't loaded all the way when you checked the first time? Can you check that? Try scrolling to the bottom to see if all of the data has shown up.
25knerd.knitter
Pushing a fix for some of the bugs mentioned here and in the announcement post.
26Aquila
>24 knerd.knitter: No, if you select Combine/Separate Works Enid Blyton (primary author only) on https://www.librarything.com/author/blytonenid/helperhub then you don't get the Sara Rodi works, or the other 30 or so authors that have written Enid Blyton sequels. That part is working correctly. If you go to the link directly or change the sort within a primary-only list you get primary and secondary.
27AnnieMod
Something weird with the view of split authors with long disambig notes such as Stephen Jones.
There is a link "show all" at the end of the cropped Disambig note - which I would expect to open the disambig note so you can actually read it. Instead it throws you into the first author of the split: https://www.librarything.com/author/jonessteve-1
The only way to see the whole note is to press the Edit button on top of it.
There is a link "show all" at the end of the cropped Disambig note - which I would expect to open the disambig note so you can actually read it. Instead it throws you into the first author of the split: https://www.librarything.com/author/jonessteve-1
The only way to see the whole note is to press the Edit button on top of it.
28Charon07
Not sure if this relates to the LT2 upgrade, but when I tried to grab an author photo for Nadine Bjursten, it got uploaded to author Marilyn Haskel instead. Of course, since I wasn’t paying enough attention and I saw Bjursten’s author page didn’t show the photo, I tried again, so now Marilyn Haskel has two identical photos of Nadine Bjursten in her author gallery. There’s something funky about Marilyn Haskel’s author page: I’m not sure if she ever had any works, but she has none now, and her name displays as “haskemarilyn” rather than “Marilyn Haskel.”
29abbottthomas
On this page - https://www.librarything.com/author/lairdchrista - one of her books, Shadow of the Wall, has a publication date of 1800. Way out! I can’t see that date on the work page or CK. Any suggestions? I am on iPad Safari.
30Nicole_VanK
Yeah - https://www.librarything.com/author/puyveldeleovan - his most popular book is said to be from 1973 - I have a 1941 edition
31Nicole_VanK
Speaking about Mr. Van Puyvelde - I tried uploading an author picture several times today, and it keeps landing on the mysterious https://www.librarything.com/author/duffieldn page
32knerd.knitter
>29 abbottthomas: one of her books, Shadow of the Wall, has a publication date of 1800
Setting the original publication date in the common knowledge data will fix those date problems. However, it will take up to a week for you to see the change on the work list.
Setting the original publication date in the common knowledge data will fix those date problems. However, it will take up to a week for you to see the change on the work list.
33knerd.knitter
>21 lilithcat: When assigning works to split authors, it used to be possible to click in the box with the work title OR in the number box. Now, only the number box can be used.
It was not intentional to change that; I will work on getting that functionality back.
It was not intentional to change that; I will work on getting that functionality back.
34knerd.knitter
Just pushed some bug fixes:
- Fixing combine page bug where primary only was lost (>17 Aquila:)
- Fixing loss of functionality on assigning works to authors (>21 lilithcat:)
- Fixing issue with long disambig not with link in the middle breaking "see more" (>27 AnnieMod:)
- Fixing issues with uploading author images (>28 Charon07: >31 Nicole_VanK:)
- Fixing issue with disambig authors showing works for all others instead of just their own on “view your works”
- Fixing issue with missing “other names” when there was only one
- Fixing issue with editing other language CK
- Fixing combine page bug where primary only was lost (>17 Aquila:)
- Fixing loss of functionality on assigning works to authors (>21 lilithcat:)
- Fixing issue with long disambig not with link in the middle breaking "see more" (>27 AnnieMod:)
- Fixing issues with uploading author images (>28 Charon07: >31 Nicole_VanK:)
- Fixing issue with disambig authors showing works for all others instead of just their own on “view your works”
- Fixing issue with missing “other names” when there was only one
- Fixing issue with editing other language CK
35Petroglyph
>32 knerd.knitter:
t will take up to a week for you to see the change on the work list
Any chance of a "Recalculate publication dates" link (similar to "recalculate author names") to speed up the process manually?
t will take up to a week for you to see the change on the work list
Any chance of a "Recalculate publication dates" link (similar to "recalculate author names") to speed up the process manually?
36knerd.knitter
>35 Petroglyph: Any chance of a "Recalculate publication dates" link (similar to "recalculate author names") to speed up the process manually?
I'm in favor of having the update happen daily, but I don't know if that's possible. I have asked about it though.
I'm in favor of having the update happen daily, but I don't know if that's possible. I have asked about it though.
37poppycocteau
Under an author's Common Knowledge (example Anthony Trollope), when you click on one of the people in Relationships (eg. Trollope, Frances (mother)), it used to go directly to the related person's author page Fanny Trollope, but now you get a search list of CK edits like this.
38knerd.knitter
>37 poppycocteau: Under an author's Common Knowledge ... when you click on one of the people in Relationships ... it used to go directly to the related person's author page
It still does when you go into Edit mode; just not on the read only; I will look into it.
It still does when you go into Edit mode; just not on the read only; I will look into it.
39DuncanHill
Associated authors - a couple of things.
1) Fanny Trollope is, as Frances Trollope, associated with herself. https://www.librarything.com/author/trollopefanny
2) Shouldn't associations be reciprocal? For example A. J. Sylvester https://www.librarything.com/author/sylvesteralbertjames lists Colin Cross https://www.librarything.com/author/crosscolin as an associated author, but Colin Cross doesn't list A. J. Sylvester. Have noticed this on a few others too.
1) Fanny Trollope is, as Frances Trollope, associated with herself. https://www.librarything.com/author/trollopefanny
2) Shouldn't associations be reciprocal? For example A. J. Sylvester https://www.librarything.com/author/sylvesteralbertjames lists Colin Cross https://www.librarything.com/author/crosscolin as an associated author, but Colin Cross doesn't list A. J. Sylvester. Have noticed this on a few others too.
40knerd.knitter
Just pushed some bug fixes:
- Fixing another issue with editing other language CK
- Fixed issue with author relationship links not going to author page (>37 poppycocteau:)
- Fixing another issue with editing other language CK
- Fixed issue with author relationship links not going to author page (>37 poppycocteau:)
41Aquila
>34 knerd.knitter: Thanks, the combine page sorting is working without losing the initial filter now!
42timspalding
>36 knerd.knitter: I'm in favor of having the update happen daily, but I don't know if that's possible. I have asked about it though.
It should be instant. I'll look at it.
It should be instant. I'll look at it.
43booksaplenty1949
How is the publication date shown for a work ascertained? I note that two works by E. P Thompson are dated before he was born: Writing by Candlelight 1678 and The Heavy Dancers 1888.
Oh—-now see this has been addressed.
Oh—-now see this has been addressed.
44timspalding
CK publication year updates should be instant now.
45timspalding
How is the publication date shown for a work ascertained? I note that two works by E. P Thompson are dated before he was born: Writing by Candlelight 1678 and The Heavy Dancers 1888.
Oh—-now see this has been addressed.
Okay, the answer is as follows:
1. We take everything we know about the book and try to weigh all the answers. We get dates from Amazon, Bowker and a jillion libraries. Most are publication dates; some are copyright dates. None are first-publication dates.
2. We generally look for the earliest date, but we do some comparisons and weighting such that, if one ISBN for Harry Potter says it was written in 1700, we ignore it.
This isn't perfect, but it's the best we can do. We have to work from the data we get, assess its likelihood of being right, and make a stab at an answer.
In the case of "Writing by Candlelight" the record for ASIN B01K2RNDK4, which is the ebook for that book, says that the publication year is 1678. I'm not sure if this is still true, but it was true the first three times we collected it. As we don't have a ton of information—not that many records—that low date wasn't considered too impossible.
I'm going to look into down-weighting dates outside what we know about the author's birth and death. But it won't solve it all the way by any stretch. These way-off errors mostly happen for low-copy works—many of them self-published—and those are the least likely to have authors with dates.
Oh—-now see this has been addressed.
Okay, the answer is as follows:
1. We take everything we know about the book and try to weigh all the answers. We get dates from Amazon, Bowker and a jillion libraries. Most are publication dates; some are copyright dates. None are first-publication dates.
2. We generally look for the earliest date, but we do some comparisons and weighting such that, if one ISBN for Harry Potter says it was written in 1700, we ignore it.
This isn't perfect, but it's the best we can do. We have to work from the data we get, assess its likelihood of being right, and make a stab at an answer.
In the case of "Writing by Candlelight" the record for ASIN B01K2RNDK4, which is the ebook for that book, says that the publication year is 1678. I'm not sure if this is still true, but it was true the first three times we collected it. As we don't have a ton of information—not that many records—that low date wasn't considered too impossible.
I'm going to look into down-weighting dates outside what we know about the author's birth and death. But it won't solve it all the way by any stretch. These way-off errors mostly happen for low-copy works—many of them self-published—and those are the least likely to have authors with dates.
47bookel
Ghost Brother (1892)
https://www.librarything.com/author/adlercs
Author C. S. Adler.
Original publication date 1990. Not self published.
https://www.worldcat.org/formats-editions/1033656410?limit=10&offset=1&o...
https://www.librarything.com/author/adlercs
Author C. S. Adler.
Original publication date 1990. Not self published.
https://www.worldcat.org/formats-editions/1033656410?limit=10&offset=1&o...
48abbottthomas
>32 knerd.knitter: Thanks for the prompt response. Reading >45 timspalding: - thanks for the detailed information, by the way - makes me uncertain about CK entries for first publication date. Do they in fact trump all the other data?
49Cynfelyn
I've just added a little CK to Lil Chase. I added Gender and saved, and it displayed:
Array
(
itemType => 2
itemNum => 5898287
fieldName => gender
fieldType => 5
lang => eng
uniqueid => 37d8
values => "female"
select_options =>
ajax_version => 2
prettify_selector => #u_6949dcf7
forceLT2 => 1
is_ajax => 1
)
(Um. The square brackets around field names have all been touchstoned in this message. Hey ho).
It went away and I was left with female once I refreshed the browser, but thought it worth reporting.
------
ETA. The same thing happened when I entered Place of residence and Occupation, both going away on being refreshed.
Array
(
itemType => 2
itemNum => 5898287
fieldName => gender
fieldType => 5
lang => eng
uniqueid => 37d8
values => "female"
select_options =>
ajax_version => 2
prettify_selector => #u_6949dcf7
forceLT2 => 1
is_ajax => 1
)
(Um. The square brackets around field names have all been touchstoned in this message. Hey ho).
It went away and I was left with female once I refreshed the browser, but thought it worth reporting.
------
ETA. The same thing happened when I entered Place of residence and Occupation, both going away on being refreshed.
50davidgn
Ditto adding a canonical name.
Canonical name
Array
(
itemType => 2
itemNum => 17080379
fieldName => canonicalname
fieldType => 22
lang => eng
uniqueid => 076a
values => "Johnson-Bartee, Bonnie"
select_options =>
ajax_version => 2
prettify_selector => #u_e0ad72fa
forceLT2 => 1
is_ajax => 1
)
Array
(
)
Johnson-Bartee, Bonnie
Canonical name
Array
(
itemType => 2
itemNum => 17080379
fieldName => canonicalname
fieldType => 22
lang => eng
uniqueid => 076a
values => "Johnson-Bartee, Bonnie"
select_options =>
ajax_version => 2
prettify_selector => #u_e0ad72fa
forceLT2 => 1
is_ajax => 1
)
Array
(
)
Johnson-Bartee, Bonnie
51Nevov
On an author's Charts & Graphs subpage, for several charts hovering over the bar on the chart gives the impression that it will click through to see all the works relating to that data point, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
52andyl
In the Common Knowledge section you are still showing old crappy Award data (see Stephen King). This should be removed as we have the new, better quality, awards section further down the page.
53andyl
In the Awards section - how are the awards ordered?
For Stephen King we have Notable Lists (in the Award settings) being listed before proper Awards.
Also I can't think what criteria it uses to get the Soaring Eagle Book Award in 10th place in the list.
Personally I think Awards, should come before Distinctons, should come before Notable Lists. Also as an aside when we get awards for people, maybe they could appear first and be clearly distinguished from awards for works.
For Stephen King we have Notable Lists (in the Award settings) being listed before proper Awards.
Also I can't think what criteria it uses to get the Soaring Eagle Book Award in 10th place in the list.
Personally I think Awards, should come before Distinctons, should come before Notable Lists. Also as an aside when we get awards for people, maybe they could appear first and be clearly distinguished from awards for works.
54DuncanHill
What has happened to characters, places, and events? On Author pages we used to see those listed. I can't find them anywhere now.
55DuncanHill
Aliased author name not appearing on target author page.
Robert Duncan 1 https://www.librarything.com/author/duncanrobert-1 is aliased to Robert Edward Duncan https://www.librarything.com/author/duncanrobertedward
As far as I can see the aliasing is correctly done, and the works appear on the Robert Edward Duncan page as they should.
But the Robert Edward Duncan page does not say "Also includes Robert Duncan (1)" as it should.
EDIT:
This doesn't affect all such pages. For example John Frederick Burke https://www.librarything.com/author/burkejohnfrederick does display "Also includes: Joanna Jones (2), John Burke (2), Jonathan Burke (1)" as it should.
Robert Duncan 1 https://www.librarything.com/author/duncanrobert-1 is aliased to Robert Edward Duncan https://www.librarything.com/author/duncanrobertedward
As far as I can see the aliasing is correctly done, and the works appear on the Robert Edward Duncan page as they should.
But the Robert Edward Duncan page does not say "Also includes Robert Duncan (1)" as it should.
EDIT:
This doesn't affect all such pages. For example John Frederick Burke https://www.librarything.com/author/burkejohnfrederick does display "Also includes: Joanna Jones (2), John Burke (2), Jonathan Burke (1)" as it should.
56karenb
>49 Cynfelyn:, >50 davidgn: I am seeing this on every author CK field I've edited. Refreshing the page makes the extraneous stuff go away, and the changes are saved.
Running Firefox 119.0 (64-bit) and also previous version, under Windows 10.
>55 DuncanHill: Possibly related, one of the split authors has no text referring back to the split page ("For other authors named ______, see the disambiguation page.")
https://www.librarything.com/author/evansjoan-1 (has this text)
https://www.librarything.com/author/evansjoan-2 (no such text)
Running Firefox 119.0 (64-bit) and also previous version, under Windows 10.
>55 DuncanHill: Possibly related, one of the split authors has no text referring back to the split page ("For other authors named ______, see the disambiguation page.")
https://www.librarything.com/author/evansjoan-1 (has this text)
https://www.librarything.com/author/evansjoan-2 (no such text)
57timspalding
>48 abbottthomas: makes me uncertain about CK entries for first publication date. Do they in fact trump all the other data?
They do, unless there's disagreement in the various language entries.
They do, unless there's disagreement in the various language entries.
58timspalding
Sorry about the CK error. I've fixed it. It was only a matter of display—your edits worked.
59davidgn
>52 andyl: The other shoe has yet to drop as regards awards applied to authors and to series. Also, for now, it's still the old CK awards data that's being sent out to Syndetics Unbound. I expect that once those loose ends are tied up, the CK awards data will be removed from view. (Of course, staff could tell me if I'm wrong).
60Charon07
On the Works Explorer page, sorting by title doesn’t ignore initial articles; it sorts literally, letter by letter from the first character. I honestly don’t remember if the old author page did the same thing, but it would be nice if it ignored initial articles.
61civitas
RE: Fix for: "You have n books in your library, or see them here."
I was literally in the middle of composing a bug report for this issue when I noticed you'd fixed it. Impressive.
Now that I know the intended functionality, I have a suggestion: use "or see their work pages:" to better indicate what the links that follow are for.
"You have n books in your library, or see their work pages:"
I was literally in the middle of composing a bug report for this issue when I noticed you'd fixed it. Impressive.
Now that I know the intended functionality, I have a suggestion: use "or see their work pages:" to better indicate what the links that follow are for.
"You have n books in your library, or see their work pages:"
62civitas
Suggestion: The Favorite / Favorited status toggle.
You should reconsider the choice of words here: specifically, the use of Favorite as a verb.
I’ve selected no favorite authors and yet every author page I visit is marked as being a "Favorite."
My suggestion, change the toggle to: Add to Favorites / Favorite (or A Favorite)
While the verb form relates to adding a browser bookmark and is conceptually related to what's going on here, it's not really clear from the context on the author page that what is intended is an action to be taken and not the current state of this author record toggle. Also, this gets rid of the widely unrecognized past tense of the niche verb form.
There's an interesting discussion of the use of Favorite as a verb here (read down a bit):
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/96364/favored-vs-favorited
You should reconsider the choice of words here: specifically, the use of Favorite as a verb.
I’ve selected no favorite authors and yet every author page I visit is marked as being a "Favorite."
My suggestion, change the toggle to: Add to Favorites / Favorite (or A Favorite)
While the verb form relates to adding a browser bookmark and is conceptually related to what's going on here, it's not really clear from the context on the author page that what is intended is an action to be taken and not the current state of this author record toggle. Also, this gets rid of the widely unrecognized past tense of the niche verb form.
There's an interesting discussion of the use of Favorite as a verb here (read down a bit):
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/96364/favored-vs-favorited
63lilithcat
>34 knerd.knitter:
- Fixing loss of functionality on assigning works to authors (>21 lilithcat: lilithcat:)
I've just had occasion to try to assign works to an author, and it is still not possible to click in the work title box to do so.
In case it's relevant: MacOS Ventura 13.5.2, Firefox 119.0
- Fixing loss of functionality on assigning works to authors (>21 lilithcat: lilithcat:)
I've just had occasion to try to assign works to an author, and it is still not possible to click in the work title box to do so.
In case it's relevant: MacOS Ventura 13.5.2, Firefox 119.0
64DuncanHill
>58 timspalding: Still not fixed for Original publication date. Just had it twice. On one of the works an edit to another CK field took while the date didn't. Was OK on refresh.
65timspalding
Okay, I am now throwing out automatically-derived work dates if the "winning" date fall outside of the author's life, with a ten year grace period at the end of posthumous works. This fixes a lot of problems. It also nixes some correct data, but a lack of data is perhaps less insidious than very wrong data. CK data, however, continues to trump any automatically-produced data.
66abbottthomas
Thanks, Tim.
67knerd.knitter
>53 andyl: In the Awards section - how are the awards ordered?
It's sorted by a "heat" value that we calculate to use for sorting results in site search, etc.
It's sorted by a "heat" value that we calculate to use for sorting results in site search, etc.
68timspalding
>67 knerd.knitter:
Award "heat" is based on a bunch of factors, including:
* Number of edits
* Number of works
* Year span
* Number of follows
* Language
* Award type
It's imperfect, but it's the best we can do without having a human editor try to determine what's important across 14k awards. It's what allows us to separate the truly important awards from random Russian-language lists.
Award "heat" is based on a bunch of factors, including:
* Number of edits
* Number of works
* Year span
* Number of follows
* Language
* Award type
It's imperfect, but it's the best we can do without having a human editor try to determine what's important across 14k awards. It's what allows us to separate the truly important awards from random Russian-language lists.
69knerd.knitter
>68 timspalding: Thank you for explaining that because I didn't know those factors.
70knerd.knitter
>63 lilithcat: I've just had occasion to try to assign works to an author, and it is still not possible to click in the work title box to do so.
Can you provide a link for the actual page you're looking at? Also, I noticed that if you have extra space between the dropdown and the beginning of the name, clicking there might not work, because it might actually still be part of the field containing the dropdown, but when I click to the right of the title, it's working for me testing on Firefox. Maybe we're talking about different things...
Can you provide a link for the actual page you're looking at? Also, I noticed that if you have extra space between the dropdown and the beginning of the name, clicking there might not work, because it might actually still be part of the field containing the dropdown, but when I click to the right of the title, it's working for me testing on Firefox. Maybe we're talking about different things...
![](http://pics.cdn.librarything.com//picsizes/36/8b/368b1f9bc60831a6370536b35674377424c4145_v5.jpg)
71lilithcat
>70 knerd.knitter:
I was working on this page: https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=jonesjacqueline&page=as... And I swear to god it wasn't working yesterday, but it is this morning.
I was working on this page: https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=jonesjacqueline&page=as... And I swear to god it wasn't working yesterday, but it is this morning.
72knerd.knitter
>54 DuncanHill: What has happened to characters, places, and events? On Author pages we used to see those listed. I can't find them anywhere now.
These were removed intentionally, as they didn't seem particularly useful.
These were removed intentionally, as they didn't seem particularly useful.
74al.vick
I combined Colleen Gleason with Colleen Cambridge (says she is the same at the end of my copy of Tomes Scones and Crones). I now do not see the series Phyllida Bright Mysteries on Colleen Gleason's page. Should it be there? Or is this a known bug? Or does it just not shown for authors with nom de plumes? The individual books such as Murder at Mallowan Hall do show up.
75Cynfelyn
>72 knerd.knitter: What has happened to characters, places, and events? On Author pages we used to see those listed. I can't find them anywhere now.
These were removed intentionally, as they didn't seem particularly useful.
That's a bit ruthless. Please don't take the same attitude to characters, places, and events on Work or Series pages.
These were removed intentionally, as they didn't seem particularly useful.
That's a bit ruthless. Please don't take the same attitude to characters, places, and events on Work or Series pages.
76amberwitch
The country of books in my library is of.
Ex. https://www.librarything.com/author/waltonjo#
I have 7 books by Jo Walton, which is what shows up when I follow the link. However, the text says I have 8 books by her, probably because she blurbed or foreworded the Lois McMaster Bujold which is listed as one of the 8 books on the author page, but which does not show up when I follow the link.
Ex. https://www.librarything.com/author/waltonjo#
I have 7 books by Jo Walton, which is what shows up when I follow the link. However, the text says I have 8 books by her, probably because she blurbed or foreworded the Lois McMaster Bujold which is listed as one of the 8 books on the author page, but which does not show up when I follow the link.
77knerd.knitter
Just pushed some changes:
-Changing Favorite button to "Add to Favorites"
-Changing an issue where the disambig page was not linked
-Changing associated authors to not be associated with themselves
-Changing semi-colon separated items in CK to be line breaks
-Fixing title sorting on work explorer
-Updates to left-nav
-Updating CK to stick as view or edit mode
-Changing Favorite button to "Add to Favorites"
-Changing an issue where the disambig page was not linked
-Changing associated authors to not be associated with themselves
-Changing semi-colon separated items in CK to be line breaks
-Fixing title sorting on work explorer
-Updates to left-nav
-Updating CK to stick as view or edit mode
78lorax
Yes, that number (for the "Books in your library by this author" counts those where the author has any role - so for the same example of Jo Walton it's two larger than what shows up in my library (19 vs 17) because she wrote short stories in two anthologies I have. I don't think that's new behavior with LT2, though?
79DuncanHill
Associated author shews twice.
On M. P. Charlesworth https://www.librarything.com/author/charlesworthmp under Associated Authors we read:
F. E. Adcock Editor Frank Adcock Editor N. H. Baynes Editor
F. E. Adcock and Frank Adcock are the same person https://www.librarything.com/author/adcockfe
On M. P. Charlesworth https://www.librarything.com/author/charlesworthmp under Associated Authors we read:
F. E. Adcock Editor Frank Adcock Editor N. H. Baynes Editor
F. E. Adcock and Frank Adcock are the same person https://www.librarything.com/author/adcockfe
80conceptDawg
Just pushed some changes:
* The obvious one, the author image is now pushed over into the sidebar, giving more room for the title/author content.
* CK editing is now less obviously "in edit mode!".
* The action area with Add to Favorites is now visible at the top of the page for mobile users. No need to scroll to the bottom of the content for that area.
* Lots of other small styling changes that nobody will likely ever notice.
* The obvious one, the author image is now pushed over into the sidebar, giving more room for the title/author content.
* CK editing is now less obviously "in edit mode!".
* The action area with Add to Favorites is now visible at the top of the page for mobile users. No need to scroll to the bottom of the content for that area.
* Lots of other small styling changes that nobody will likely ever notice.
81lilithcat
>80 conceptDawg:
the author image is now pushed over into the sidebar
Maybe too far over? They're cut off on the left.
Compare: https://www.librarything.com/author/smithalexandermccall and the same image here: https://www.librarything.com/pic/161635
It's also noticeable that when I hover over the image, there's a dark red outline on top, right, and bottom, but not on the left.
the author image is now pushed over into the sidebar
Maybe too far over? They're cut off on the left.
Compare: https://www.librarything.com/author/smithalexandermccall and the same image here: https://www.librarything.com/pic/161635
It's also noticeable that when I hover over the image, there's a dark red outline on top, right, and bottom, but not on the left.
82civitas
>77 knerd.knitter: Changing Favorite button to "Add to Favorites"
Almost there, you just need to update the button text when un-favoriting an author:
New Current:
Add to Favorites => Favorited => Favorite
Should be:
Add to Favorites => Favorited => Add to Favorites
Almost there, you just need to update the button text when un-favoriting an author:
New Current:
Add to Favorites => Favorited => Favorite
Should be:
Add to Favorites => Favorited => Add to Favorites
83conceptDawg
>80 conceptDawg: Ah. Yes. Just on some alternative display styles like lorax. I'll fix that in the next release of code.
84amberwitch
>78 lorax: true, but before the expansion of roles and works, the number in the link actually reflected what you would find in your library when you followed the link.
So it has been a known bug for a long time, and I think it should be fixed as part of this overhaul - or if is impossible to make it correct, it should be removed or reworded so it reflects the reality of what you get.
So it has been a known bug for a long time, and I think it should be fixed as part of this overhaul - or if is impossible to make it correct, it should be removed or reworded so it reflects the reality of what you get.
85knerd.knitter
>74 al.vick: I now do not see the series Phyllida Bright Mysteries on Colleen Gleason's page
I see it there. Maybe it needed to recalculate the series author?
I see it there. Maybe it needed to recalculate the series author?
86Nicole_VanK
Any chance of anybody looking into >31 Nicole_VanK: ? I tried 4 times, and then I gave up.
87knerd.knitter
>86 Nicole_VanK: My apologies, I think I fixed that already, but probably didn't specifically link to your message. When did you last try it?
89booksaplenty1949
I am excited that the number of (separate) catalogued works by a given author is once again given, so that when one gets into the task of combining one can see the number of works steadily decline and feel a rich sense of accomplishment.
90knerd.knitter
>76 amberwitch: >84 amberwitch: The count of books in my library is off
This is a long-standing known issue. It's more complicated than it might seem because it has to do with work authors vs. book authors as well as primary vs. secondary works (i.e., works where the author is the main author vs. works where the author is one of the "other authors"). As such, we will most likely be leaving it as it is for now.
This is a long-standing known issue. It's more complicated than it might seem because it has to do with work authors vs. book authors as well as primary vs. secondary works (i.e., works where the author is the main author vs. works where the author is one of the "other authors"). As such, we will most likely be leaving it as it is for now.
91mice_elf
I noticed that some author names with 3+ words are being shortened in the "You may also like" section of the main author page.
See Silvia Moreno-Garcia shortened to "Silvia Moreno-" here: https://www.librarything.com/author/jonesstephengraham
and Carmen Maria Machado as "Carmen Maria" here: https://www.librarything.com/author/moshfeghottessa
See Silvia Moreno-Garcia shortened to "Silvia Moreno-" here: https://www.librarything.com/author/jonesstephengraham
and Carmen Maria Machado as "Carmen Maria" here: https://www.librarything.com/author/moshfeghottessa
92norabelle414
>91 mice_elf: I think the last word is wrapping to the next line for long names, but the next line isn't visible. "Taylor Jenkins Reid" "Emily St. John Mandel" and "Silvia Moreno-Garcia" look normal to me but I see "Carmen Maria" and then just the tops of a few letters of "Machado" below it
There also seem to be some authors on a second line that I can only barely see the top of in "lorax style". If I hover over them they light up but I can only see the top edge of the picture
There also seem to be some authors on a second line that I can only barely see the top of in "lorax style". If I hover over them they light up but I can only see the top edge of the picture
93lorax
At least for some combinations of style (The Lorax) and monitor size (13" Mac laptop) the titles overlap the years in the "Popularity by Year" graph at the bottom. Screenshot:
![](http://pics.cdn.librarything.com//picsizes/c6/7b/c67bc2651c08398636a2b76356742674357414a_v5.jpg)
94knerd.knitter
>93 lorax: At least for some combinations of style (The Lorax) and monitor size (13" Mac laptop) the titles overlap the years in the "Popularity by Year" graph at the bottom.
I have been trying to figure out how to get the legend to always show on the right side; I'm not sure how to do it, but I will keep trying.
I have been trying to figure out how to get the legend to always show on the right side; I'm not sure how to do it, but I will keep trying.
95conceptDawg
>91 mice_elf: >92 norabelle414: The second-row-peeking-out thing should be fixed now.
Still working on a universal fix for the author names.
ETA: both should be fixed now.
Still working on a universal fix for the author names.
ETA: both should be fixed now.
96Cynfelyn
I don't know if this has been mentiond yet. LT has always dropped accented letters in authors' names when creating authors' URLs, e.g. Siôn Phylip > https://www.librarything.com/author/phylipsin
I created Tadhg Ó Murchú as an author, LT using the accentless rump to create the URL https://www.librarything.com/author/murchtadhg as you would expect.
Except that it's also created the LT2 author page murchtadhg, despite having been recalculated several times over the last couple of hours. No doubt anyone could correct this with a Canonical name Tadhg Ó Murchú, but is the system supposed to remember the accented letters?
For what it's worth, I'm working in Firefox, and while Siôn Phylip's touchstone works, I can't get a touchstone for either Tadhg Ó Murchú or murchtadhg.
I created Tadhg Ó Murchú as an author, LT using the accentless rump to create the URL https://www.librarything.com/author/murchtadhg as you would expect.
Except that it's also created the LT2 author page murchtadhg, despite having been recalculated several times over the last couple of hours. No doubt anyone could correct this with a Canonical name Tadhg Ó Murchú, but is the system supposed to remember the accented letters?
For what it's worth, I'm working in Firefox, and while Siôn Phylip's touchstone works, I can't get a touchstone for either Tadhg Ó Murchú or murchtadhg.
97AnnieMod
>96 Cynfelyn: I've seen this happening before with authors who do not have books in their primary works sections. As long as they get a work where they are a main author, a recalculation of author/title of that works sorts them out... But in this case, it seems to be unable to do it.
Last time I saw this happening, the only way to get it sorted was to add a Canonical name (and then remove it - it remembers after that).
Last time I saw this happening, the only way to get it sorted was to add a Canonical name (and then remove it - it remembers after that).
98Nevov
>96 Cynfelyn:
>I can't get a touchstone for either Tadhg Ó Murchú or murchtadhg.
It isn't instantaneous that newly-added authors become 'touchstoneable' by the automatic process – I think it is tied to when the author shows up in site search. There is however a method to force a touchstone, using the author name code, which would formulate for your one as: {{murchtadhg::Tadhg Ó Murchú}} – replace the curly with square brackets – and that should be immediately usable if necessary.
>I can't get a touchstone for either Tadhg Ó Murchú or murchtadhg.
It isn't instantaneous that newly-added authors become 'touchstoneable' by the automatic process – I think it is tied to when the author shows up in site search. There is however a method to force a touchstone, using the author name code, which would formulate for your one as: {{murchtadhg::Tadhg Ó Murchú}} – replace the curly with square brackets – and that should be immediately usable if necessary.
99Cynfelyn
>97 AnnieMod:, >98 Nevov: Thanks both for drawing attention to the work-arounds. It's as well to publicise them from time to time.
However, I am rather hoping a staff member will check that LT1 URL blindspot for accented letters (perhaps dictated by UNICODE or whoever's foundational commandments), isn't being amplified by LT2.
However, I am rather hoping a staff member will check that LT1 URL blindspot for accented letters (perhaps dictated by UNICODE or whoever's foundational commandments), isn't being amplified by LT2.
100knerd.knitter
>96 Cynfelyn: Touchstones are based on sitesearch, so it will have to be indexed before it shows up there. As far as the name not working on recalculation it sounds like >97 AnnieMod: and >98 Nevov: have addressed that question, so I'm not sure what you're asking about in >99 Cynfelyn:. The url has to be made without the special characters; as far as I know, a url can't have those characters. But also, the url doesn't really matter.
Edit: Everything seems fine now with this author.
Edit: Everything seems fine now with this author.
102conceptDawg
>101 lilithcat: You are welcome. It was just an oversight on my part: not checking that styling change in every view style.
103AnnieMod
>100 knerd.knitter: There is still an issue here though - the system works properly on setting the name on the page (with a recalculation) when the author has primary works and does not (requiring a canonical name to be added briefly) when they don't and only have associated works. Is that the expected behavior?
105AnnieMod
>104 timspalding: https://www.librarything.com/author/murchtadhg before the Canonical name was added.
Once added it holds (even if removed - the good old stickiness of this specific field) so this one is not live anymore.
I don't have a live one but will be on the lookout for one.
Once added it holds (even if removed - the good old stickiness of this specific field) so this one is not live anymore.
I don't have a live one but will be on the lookout for one.
106Stevil2001
Why does the header for Mike Carlin's disambiguation page say "Louise Simonson"? https://www.librarything.com/author/carlinmike
107conceptDawg
>106 Stevil2001: Bug. We'll track it down.
108knerd.knitter
>106 Stevil2001: Why does the header for Mike Carlin's disambiguation page say "Louise Simonson"?
Fixed.
Fixed.
109Stevil2001
>108 knerd.knitter: Thanks! That was fast.
110DuncanHill
Stranded links
On https://www.librarything.com/author/schwarzbrinsley is the message "There are links stranded on: Brinsley Schwarz".
Clicking on the link takes us to https://www.librarything.com/author/brinsleyschwarz&norefer=2
But there are no links visible on that page, and the "Helper Hub" link takes us to the main author page.
On https://www.librarything.com/author/schwarzbrinsley is the message "There are links stranded on: Brinsley Schwarz".
Clicking on the link takes us to https://www.librarything.com/author/brinsleyschwarz&norefer=2
But there are no links visible on that page, and the "Helper Hub" link takes us to the main author page.
111Nevov
The author division page, for example https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=adamsjohn – has an empty void in the top left corner, in the area where the author photo would appear.
112r.orrison
Is 110> perhaps another instance of https://www.librarything.com/topic/304499
113Nevov
>110 DuncanHill: >112 r.orrison:
Another example of the stranded link message but none displaying when clicking through, at: https://www.librarything.com/author/kenrickjoanna
If that's useful for admins.
Another example of the stranded link message but none displaying when clicking through, at: https://www.librarything.com/author/kenrickjoanna
If that's useful for admins.
114norabelle414
Bumping the bug mentioned in >55 DuncanHill:
When an author division is aliased into a different author page, there used to be a note at the top of the author page that said something like "Also includes {Author name} (1)"
E.g. On https://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonemily-1 it says "Emily Wilson (1) has been aliased into Emily R. Wilson." but on https://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonemilyr there is no indication that Emily Wilson (1) is included there, nor a link back to the Emily Wilson (1) page.
Same with https://www.librarything.com/author/greenjohn-4 and https://www.librarything.com/author/greenjohnpatrick
When an author division is aliased into a different author page, there used to be a note at the top of the author page that said something like "Also includes {Author name} (1)"
E.g. On https://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonemily-1 it says "Emily Wilson (1) has been aliased into Emily R. Wilson." but on https://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonemilyr there is no indication that Emily Wilson (1) is included there, nor a link back to the Emily Wilson (1) page.
Same with https://www.librarything.com/author/greenjohn-4 and https://www.librarything.com/author/greenjohnpatrick
115knerd.knitter
>110 DuncanHill: Stranded links
>111 Nevov: The author division page ... has an empty void in the top left corner
>114 norabelle414: When an author division is aliased into a different author page, there used to be a note at the top of the author page that said something like "Also includes {Author name} (1)"
These are all fixed
>111 Nevov: The author division page ... has an empty void in the top left corner
>114 norabelle414: When an author division is aliased into a different author page, there used to be a note at the top of the author page that said something like "Also includes {Author name} (1)"
These are all fixed
116DuncanHill
>115 knerd.knitter: Thank you.
117Nevov
This one is maybe not technically a bug with the LT2 page, as it dates back to before the update (so if staff prefer it posted in its own topic let me know).
On the Author Division page, for example: https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=adamsjohn
There is an explanation text at the top:
Authors with the same name, such as "John Adams" or "Tom Snyder" ...
This paragraph ends with the following:
Finally, to renumber authors completely—for example to change John Adams (2) to John Adams (1)—choose "Renumber divisions."
However, this "Renumber divisions" feature does not exist on the page. I am led to believe it did once exist, but was removed due to it causing too many problems. So I think it would make sense to remove the entire "Finally, to renumber authors completely..." sentence from the page.
On the Author Division page, for example: https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=adamsjohn
There is an explanation text at the top:
Authors with the same name, such as "John Adams" or "Tom Snyder" ...
This paragraph ends with the following:
Finally, to renumber authors completely—for example to change John Adams (2) to John Adams (1)—choose "Renumber divisions."
However, this "Renumber divisions" feature does not exist on the page. I am led to believe it did once exist, but was removed due to it causing too many problems. So I think it would make sense to remove the entire "Finally, to renumber authors completely..." sentence from the page.
118knerd.knitter
>117 Nevov: However, this "Renumber divisions" feature does not exist on the page.
I will remove that part of the description since the code for that page is not displaying anywhere at the moment.
I will remove that part of the description since the code for that page is not displaying anywhere at the moment.
119quasar
I don't know if it's a bug or not, but i have noticed that with some authors in my library the work explorer chart of works is not populated with data, even though the entries for the works have those data points (things like date, language and language). This is one example where I noticed it:
https://www.librarything.com/author/masonkirk/workexplorer
https://www.librarything.com/author/masonkirk/workexplorer
120knerd.knitter
>119 quasar: i have noticed that with some authors in my library the work explorer chart of works is not populated with data, even though the entries for the works have those data points
Can you provide the specifics of the ones you see without this data and what data you expect to see?
Can you provide the specifics of the ones you see without this data and what data you expect to see?
121Stevil2001
The author popularity charts are not loading: https://www.librarything.com/author/wolfegene/charts
https://www.librarything.com/author/valentecatherynnem/charts
"No data could be found."
https://www.librarything.com/author/valentecatherynnem/charts
"No data could be found."
122waltzmn
>120 knerd.knitter: >121 Stevil2001:
Verified for some other authors:
https://www.librarything.com/author/chaucergeoffrey/charts
Most charts are there (Genres, although in this case the list is ridiculous), Dewey Decimal, Ratings, Date to Work, ISBNs per Language. But no Popularity; "No data could be found."
Chaucer is a popular author. I tried to find some others who are not popular to see what happened.
https://www.librarything.com/author/blondahlomar
I'm the only person with an Omar Blondahl book. His author page doesn't offer charts and graphs, so if there is a bug, it's not on the charts page. :-)
Medium Popularity: Edith Fowke (300+ members have one of her books; the more popular ones are owned by several dozen members)
https://www.librarything.com/author/fowkeedithfulton
This one has Charts and Graphs, but still no Popularity data. Looks like the problem is pretty widespread, and seemingly it's not dependent on popularity.
Verified for some other authors:
https://www.librarything.com/author/chaucergeoffrey/charts
Most charts are there (Genres, although in this case the list is ridiculous), Dewey Decimal, Ratings, Date to Work, ISBNs per Language. But no Popularity; "No data could be found."
Chaucer is a popular author. I tried to find some others who are not popular to see what happened.
https://www.librarything.com/author/blondahlomar
I'm the only person with an Omar Blondahl book. His author page doesn't offer charts and graphs, so if there is a bug, it's not on the charts page. :-)
Medium Popularity: Edith Fowke (300+ members have one of her books; the more popular ones are owned by several dozen members)
https://www.librarything.com/author/fowkeedithfulton
This one has Charts and Graphs, but still no Popularity data. Looks like the problem is pretty widespread, and seemingly it's not dependent on popularity.
123knerd.knitter
>121 Stevil2001: The author popularity charts are not loading >122 waltzmn:
This was actually a data issue and I am currently repopulating the data and making some changes so that hopefully this will not happen again.
This was actually a data issue and I am currently repopulating the data and making some changes so that hopefully this will not happen again.
125quasar
>120 knerd.knitter:
Sure. here's one example.
https://www.librarything.com/author/masonkirk/workexplorer
All the authors have dates and media types in their book entries and yet in the work explorer some books have no date and none of them have anything in media.
Sure. here's one example.
https://www.librarything.com/author/masonkirk/workexplorer
All the authors have dates and media types in their book entries and yet in the work explorer some books have no date and none of them have anything in media.