Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #59

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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #59

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1jasbro
Sep 27, 2013, 6:14 pm

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ


-- Ask about sets of Works or Series pages, ask for opinions, or ask for help with specific languages, subjects, etc.; but please be brief.
-- Please do not give Search pages, Author pages, or groups of “possibles,” unless you have a specific question.
-- “Someone will be with you shortly.” Most requests are handled by our fellow LibraryThing Members, not by staff.
-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602 .
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
-- When this thread reaches 200 posts, please do not post here but start a new Thread. Threads under 200 posts load faster and are easier to navigate. Please copy these notes as post #1 of the new thread. Thank you.

2jasbro
Edited: Sep 27, 2013, 6:15 pm

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3crdf
Edited: Sep 28, 2013, 9:29 pm

Hello, I'm not sure if I should post this here, but those two books and authors are the same:

18% Сиво /18% Gray Combined author and works
http://www.librarything.com/work/13277573
http://www.librarything.com/work/9419847

The day of the Triffids: Combined works
http://www.librarything.com/work/11738
http://www.librarything.com/work/8067837/

Untouched by Human Hands Combined works
http://www.librarything.com/work/9595923/
http://www.librarything.com/work/158897

The first is an English translation and the second is the Bulgarian original. I'm not sure what is the policy and how combining is done, I guess I should leave it to someone else.

P.S. Is there a way of adding a book to LT without adding it to my own collection?

4jefbra
Sep 28, 2013, 8:05 pm

hello fixers,

it shows 10 copies but when you click on the author shows no copies?

http://www.librarything.com/work/book/71074792#

Thanks jeff

5fdholt
Sep 28, 2013, 8:12 pm

#3 Since you would like to learn how to do these, I will leave them for you.

For the gray book, go to
http://www.librarything.com/author/3781598614
On the right hand side select search and put in Zachary Karabashliev. Combine with the Cyrillic (?) name. Then go to the combine/separate works page and combine the titles by checking the 2 and hitting the combine works. Then say yes. (There is another title there but I have no idea. Maybe there are other forms of name for this author that need combining?)

Both the triffids and the human hands books can be done from the author pages. Again, select the combine/separate works page.

To answer your P.S., as far as I know, you need to add the book to your collection. If you add it and you are the only holding, when you delete it, it becomes a "zero" copy and goes into LT limbo land.

If I or another member can help you further, ask again. And, if you would rather not do this yourself, one of us will help.

6fdholt
Sep 28, 2013, 8:17 pm

#4 If you click on the author, Elsa Jane Guerin, the books are there.
http://www.librarything.com/author/guerinelsajane

Libraries use the proper form of name as established in the authority file. You entered the book as E. J. Guerin, the cover has Mrs. E. J. Guerin and I don't know what is on the title page which is what libraries use as a starting point.

7crdf
Sep 28, 2013, 9:30 pm

^5, thank you. I managed this time.

The tip about deleting it from the personal library is going to be useful. Thank you again

8markbarnes
Sep 29, 2013, 8:00 am

I don't know if this is the right place to post this problem, but I'm trying to combine these authors:
http://www.librarything.com/author/jacksongeorgeanson
http://www.librarything.com/author/jacksongeorgea

Unfortunately, when I search to combine them, the 'Combine' link does not appear.

9Collectorator
Sep 29, 2013, 9:35 am

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10LucindaLibri
Sep 29, 2013, 10:40 am

Not sure if this is something that can be fixed (or how to do it) . . .

http://www.librarything.com/work/5203153/editions/86655482
This book, Riding Shotgun : Women Write about Their Mothers is listed as being authored by Jonis Agee (and that is how the touchstone comes up) . . . but all she did was write the first chapter . . . there are 20 other contributors . . . and the book should be listed by the editor, Kathryn Kysar (as indicated on the cover and in the LOC cataloging info inside the book) . . . I don't know why so many copies (12 out of 16) are listed in this misleading way using the author of the first chapter . . . but I'd like to see it fixed . . .

I thought there might be a way to fix it in common knowledge, but CK about a work doesn't seem to include information about proper authorship . . .

Thanks!

11crdf
Edited: Sep 29, 2013, 11:05 am

I'd like to ask. I noticed the system auto-cominbes the Cirilyc editions. Is there a way for this feature to be turned off because there is no logic in the combination process and books end up combined randomly. An example is that all Bulgarian editions (all parts) of The Wheel of Time were combined in ONE book.

Edit: Is there a way to open the book page to see the book itself (cover etc) from the combine page?

Edit 2: This book has the wrong author: http://www.librarything.com/work/13714917/workdetails
I suspect as in the case with my books, a result from import

Edit 3: What are the rules fro phd, md and etc? I have found about 6 Patrick J. Carnes variations and at the end the main profile seems to be Patrick Carnes

12LucindaLibri
Sep 29, 2013, 10:54 am

Here's another edited book with the same problem I described in #10 above
Leaning into the Wind : Women Write from the Heart of the West
http://www.librarything.com/work/913803/editions/48117489

listed under a contributor rather than any of the three primary editors (which is who most readers will have associated with this work) Linda M. Hasselstrom, Gaydell Collier, Nancy Curtis

I'll stop now and await some general guidelines/instructions about these sorts of issues.

Thanks again!

13Nicole_VanK
Edited: Sep 29, 2013, 1:05 pm

> 11: Yeah, autocombining leaves much to be desired for anything but Latin script. (Cyrillic, Arabic, Hebrew, etc., etc. currently go every which way). This one is scribbley scrawly to us, and that one is too, so they "must" be the same. I have been doing a lot of separating because of this, lately.

14Jarandel
Sep 29, 2013, 1:50 pm

>10 LucindaLibri:,12 Amazon used as a source by a dominant number of people adding the book to their libraries is the usual suspect for dodgy author data.
Collections of short stories attributed to a "star" contributor rather than the editor or the first alphabetical contributor aren't too rare.
Older/odder/rarer book entries never carried by Amazon themselves in the first place may also have as only data what whichever marketplace reseller who added it first chose to input.

You can correct that via the "Other authors" link about mid-page down, did so for the first book (editor as main author), but didn't confirm the 20ish contributors/secondary authors.

15LucindaLibri
Sep 29, 2013, 4:48 pm

>14 Jarandel: Thanks!! That's what I was looking for!

16Collectorator
Sep 29, 2013, 4:51 pm

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17markbarnes
Sep 30, 2013, 4:10 am

@Collectorator:

For some reason, George A Jackson and George Anson Jackson are now able to be combined. I did press recalculate author on a couple of books this morning - I don't know if that made a difference.

18Collectorator
Sep 30, 2013, 4:28 am

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19Nicole_VanK
Sep 30, 2013, 5:37 am

>14 Jarandel:: Collections of short stories attributed to a "star" contributor rather than the editor or the first alphabetical contributor aren't too rare.

It is (or used to be?) a library rule here in the Netherlands, and possibly in other countries as well, that collections with more than three contributing authors got attributed to the first one - whoever - instead of to the editor. So Dutch libraries have provided a lot of such info, and not just for Dutch language books. It's a totally lame rule, but what can you do?..

20fdholt
Sep 30, 2013, 7:49 am

#19 If any of your libraries cataloged for libraries that contributed to WorldCat, they needed to use AACR and its rule of 3. (However that has been changed with RDA. It was difficult in our academic library when one of our professors wrote a book with 3 other authors. For our catalog, I added her name as well as the other 2 authors since all 4 were from colleges in this area.)

As to collections of stories (and not authors of complete books), the rule as I understand it is to use the editor(s) as the main entry. I have never seen a library credit any of the authors of a collection of short stories unless there is no editor and the first author is a better solution than title main entry.

21crdf
Sep 30, 2013, 1:36 pm

^13 Can you advise on how to change the primary author for the entry in post 11?
http://www.librarything.com/work/13714917
It should be Hugh Howey and then combined with the omnibus

23Collectorator
Sep 30, 2013, 2:26 pm

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24LucindaLibri
Sep 30, 2013, 2:29 pm

>21 crdf: Based on what I just did for similar problems:
(1) follow your link in #11 above
(2) go to the Main Page for that work
(3) scroll down the main page to the "Other Authors" section
(4) make/add the changes there

Does that help?

25crdf
Sep 30, 2013, 3:39 pm

^24
I added the author but the other name is still there as a primary author. However I managed to combine the editions.

Thank you.

{11 done}

26detailmuse
Sep 30, 2013, 4:00 pm

Ann Patchett’s new collection of essays, This Is the Story of a Happy Marriage (ISBN 9780062236678 / 0062236679), http://www.librarything.com/work/12035337

is combined with an Audible audio version of one of those essays, “This Is the Story of Happy Marriage.”

I have the collection and am not sure which work to separate from which, please help!

27fdholt
Sep 30, 2013, 6:42 pm

#25 Since that author is now listed twice, go to the other author section and delete the author in the add/edit section.

28fdholt
Sep 30, 2013, 6:45 pm

#26 I am not sure which is the audiobook to which you refer. The isbn you list is for the book. The audiobook does not say that it is abridged. If that is your copy, you need to change it to reflect that it is an abridgement.

29moonshineandrosefire
Sep 30, 2013, 7:12 pm

Thanks, fdholt, for guiding me to the right group regarding Belonging by Nancy Thayer. My problem was solved; and thank you :)

30moonshineandrosefire
Sep 30, 2013, 7:29 pm

Hello everyone! I was just wondering, out of curiosity, my copy of The Weight of Silence by Heather Gudenkauf comes up as Behind the Silence by Heather Gudenkauf. Is this the same book just in a different language? :)

31detailmuse
Edited: Sep 30, 2013, 8:21 pm

>28 fdholt: fdholt
My copy is the printed, full collection of essays that the work refers to. It would be the same content as the unabridged audio CD, ISBN 978-0062282866.

But the 5 posted reviews and (most of) the tags clearly refer to another (uber-abridged) work that is an audio recording of just the title essay; they misrepresent the work. Is there a way to separate that single essay from the collection of essays?

edited to add
if it helps, you can see the Audible essay edition at amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062236679

32fdholt
Edited: Sep 30, 2013, 9:49 pm

#30 Behind the silence is the Australian title for the book The weight of silence. Problem is there were two canonical titles. So I removed and recalculated the title.

Edited for typo

33fdholt
Edited: Oct 1, 2013, 9:55 am

#31 I will try to look into the Patchett problem tomorrow.

Edited to add: I have looked at the Amazon site (where it seems as if it is for the hardcover with a free listen to some of the book) and again at the editions for the book. I see one audiobook but have no idea if it is abridged or not.

This is the lineup:
This Is the Story of a Happy Marriage / Patchett, Ann (ISBN 0062236679) (25 copies; 1.1.2 separate)
This Is the Story of a Happy Marriage / Patchett, Ann (17 copies separate)
This is the Story of a Happy Marriage / Patchett, Ann (3 copies separate)
This is The Story of a Happy Marriage / Patchett, Ann (1 copy separate)
This Is the Story of a Happy Marriage (UNABRIDGED) / Patchett, Ann (1 copy separate)
This is the Story of a Happy Marriage {Audiobook} / Patchett, Ann (1 copy separate)
This Is the Story of a Happy Marriage {short story} / Patchett, Ann (no current copies separate)

I can't see separating the short story right now since there are no copies and no other work record to attach it to. And I admit I have no idea which ones above are the audible version. (And it is clear from the reviews that some of them are.)

If anyone else has any ideas, it would be appreciated.

Edited to take out unintentional touchstones.

34JerryMmm
Oct 1, 2013, 6:07 pm

I'm not comfortable with authors, so I'm asking here:

Noah Oppenheim

Search for him, he's coauthor with David s kidder. The issues should be apparent.
Thanks

35Jarandel
Oct 1, 2013, 6:33 pm

>34 JerryMmm: Should be a bit more ordered now, unfortunately there's little we can do about "X authors stuffed into 1 field" beside making sure instances of the same group of authors are roped in together, and the books all herded with their other copies.

36JerryMmm
Oct 1, 2013, 6:50 pm

Thanks. Found him through the ratty author Unknown Binding. Fixed a few of them, looks like a lovely timesink..

But it's bed time for me now.

37crdf
Edited: Oct 1, 2013, 7:21 pm

^27. I tried deleting the other author, but it didn't work. I see someone else got it.

Edit: Actually it shows me my entry, not the one with the two authors. I have no idea how to go to that edition, all I see is separate links.

38smcwl
Edited: Oct 1, 2013, 11:02 pm

I am considering combining 2 works which seem to contain the same books/editions (The adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Manga edition). The works are:

http://www.librarything.com/work/10624018/editions
http://www.librarything.com/work/12208057/editions

I am hesitating because the search results for these 2 works includes the message, "This is a secondary, minority match and may be the result of ratty data." (please see below)

Could someone please explain what/why ratty data are?

And, if these should be combined?

Thanks!



Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (graphic novel) by Adam Sexton

11 members, 2 editions, 5 stars


Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (adapted ∙ The Manga Edition) by Mark Twain

3 members, 3 editions

This is a secondary, minority match and may be the result of ratty data.

39shawjonathan
Edited: Oct 1, 2013, 11:28 pm

Please Combine:

#1. Little Disturbances (Southerly 68:2)
http://www.librarything.com/work/6816939
http://www.librarything.com/work/8457493

#2. Travelling teh Word (Southerly 60:3)
http://www.librarything.com/work/830363
http://www.librarything.com/work/713966 {this one has a typo in the title (should be 'word'. not 'world'), and has been assigned an incorrect cover}

#3. India India (Southerly 70:3)
http://www.librarything.com/work/11400515
http://www.librarything.com/work/13626532

Thanks
Jonathan

40Jarandel
Oct 2, 2013, 6:29 am

>38 smcwl: When you're searching for relatively popular works/keywords, the outliers sometime show that "possibly ratty data" message, meaning that if you're looking for "Huckleberry Finn" (in this example) this may be a rather obscure version of it, or stray copies that really should be combined into a main work, so depending on your purposes for looking up the work you may be better off checking the most-held versions rather than those ones.

Sometime such as for this manga adaptation they can just be perfectly legitimate, separate works that happen to correspond to the same keywords as a much more popular work.
Combined them. Beside the fact some copies are attributed to Mark Twain, same ISBN, same cover, same title, no hint that it's multiple volumes so no reason not to.

41jasbro
Oct 2, 2013, 8:02 am

>39 shawjonathan:: Done. When we can, somebody might also remedy the out-of-order volume listing for the related Series, http://www.librarything.com/series/Southerly . Thank you!

42shawjonathan
Oct 2, 2013, 9:03 am

>41 jasbro: Brilliant! I'd be happy to do that remedying if you tell me how, though of course that might take as long as actually doing it yourself.

43detailmuse
Oct 2, 2013, 9:29 am

>33fdholt thanks for taking a look. Appears that users didn't know the work is a collection of essays not the standalone essay. It's disappointing that the book data will continue to be confounded.

44fdholt
Oct 2, 2013, 9:54 am

#41 I fixed the order. However there are 2 that don't have a volume designation so I left them as is.

#42 The reason they did not line up was the use of the colon. So I forced the order by using the hash mark:
Southerly (63.2|63:2)

I've also used this trick for a multivolume set so the complete set is last:
The set of books (50|complete set)

#43 I think we just need to let it be.

45Aninja
Edited: Oct 2, 2013, 6:46 pm

I don't know how to combine these two, because the work has two authors and I found them listed under each (Illustrator Jiro Taniguchi (谷口ジロー) + original novella author Hiromi Kawakami ).

I can guarantee they are the same, because of what's written in () after the Japanese titles: (アクションコミックス) directly translating into "action comic", so it can only be the illustrated/comic version. Also, covers are the same as in the Danish publications.

No. I:
http://www.librarything.com/work/11119163/editions
http://www.librarything.com/work/10383673/editions

No. II:
http://www.librarything.com/work/11119161/editions
http://www.librarything.com/work/10910246/editions

I'd like to learn how to combine items like these with different authors and no auto-suggestions (been fumbling around for an hour now), but only if one of you has the time to explain your magic after helping out.
Thank you in advance for lending me a hand :)

46Nicole_VanK
Oct 3, 2013, 1:27 am

> 45: Lower down on any work page is an other author system. If you add the name Jiro Taniguchi on the ones that already have Hiromo Kawakami (or the other way around) the work in question should appear on both author pages. After that you can easily combine them from "combine/separate" on the author page.

Good luck.

47jasbro
Oct 3, 2013, 8:02 am

You guys are spectaculous -- thanks to all!

48Nicole_VanK
Oct 3, 2013, 10:32 am

Come on jasbro. You're at least just as "frabjeous" as the rest of us.

49MarthaJeanne
Oct 3, 2013, 11:05 am

48>My thought exactly.

51fdholt
Oct 3, 2013, 2:44 pm

#50 I wouldn't want to combine them as the second is only the portion of the work dealing with David Copperfield. The first is the complete work.

52Amarillide
Oct 3, 2013, 4:07 pm

Hi! This should be combined, but I can't manage and don't understand why (newbie):

http://www.librarything.com/work/494774
http://www.librarything.com/work/12589506

Thanks!

53Collectorator
Oct 3, 2013, 4:11 pm

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54Amarillide
Oct 3, 2013, 4:19 pm

> 53: Thank you! I looked at the author's names for a while and they looked the same to me... I've a long way to go!

55Amarillide
Oct 3, 2013, 5:05 pm

Oh my God, following a link in the combining FAQ (and clicking where now I know I shouldn't have) I combined with a wrong author Charles Brooks, ed:

http://www.librarything.com/author/brookscharlesed

I separated them at once, but I'm afraid I didi a very big mess!!!
I promise I won't do it ever again, but how can I fix this now?

The page with the other author's names:

http://www.librarything.com/author/brookscharlesj

56Collectorator
Oct 3, 2013, 5:09 pm

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57Amarillide
Oct 3, 2013, 5:14 pm

> 56: Thank you so much, that's really good news! :)

58fdholt
Oct 3, 2013, 5:15 pm

#55 and #56 Was looking at the same time - Charles J. looks fine and there is a plain Charles Brooks page that also looks fine. And Collectorator is right - there is nothing that can't be fixed. I'm the LT poster child. One awful mistake and two of us managed to fix what I thought was hopeless.

59krazy4katz
Oct 6, 2013, 6:13 pm

Hello combining people!

Yesterday, I imported the kindle version of this book from Amazon to LT:
http://www.librarything.com/work/14333808/book/102638239

I know the Amazon direct link goes to the paperback, which doesn't bother me.
The problem is that if I click on the author, it lists 0 works cataloged. At first I thought the problem was the author name. I know the author, so I put in her full name even though she has published just under her initials, N. A. Granger (is it wrong of me to do that, by the way?). So I changed my copy to N. A. Granger, but that didn't work either. Then I changed it back.

I am wondering if this is a caching problem or something else. I have never had trouble before importing works from first-time authors and have the author name not link to the work.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

k4k

60Jarandel
Oct 6, 2013, 6:30 pm

>59 krazy4katz: Massaged it a bit by recalculating title/author of the book, and author name on the author page, it now shows 1 book with 1 holder, yours.

61MarthaJeanne
Oct 6, 2013, 6:46 pm

It's fine to put in a more complete name. In fact libraries often do it. But if you edit the book to do so, usually the work author doesn't immediately change to match. If you have the only copy, recalculating should take care of it. When there are more copies, there may be a problem when the book and work authors don't match.
it may then be easier to accept the work author. Sometimes it is a matter of combining the names, but that isn't always a good idea.

62krazy4katz
Edited: Oct 6, 2013, 8:24 pm

Thanks to both of you! I tried recalculating on the book page, but it didn't work. I didn't think of recalculating on the author page. k4k

ETA: MarthaJeanne, you have a good point about the name. I think I will change it back to the work author as published. Otherwise it will always be a problem. Hopefully I will be able to solve any new problems I create by doing so. Thanks.

63vancouverdeb
Edited: Oct 7, 2013, 11:57 pm

Please combine these two books, they are the same book

http://www.librarything.com/work/14341159 Crooked Maid by Dan Vyleta

http://www.librarything.com/work/13593992 The Crooked Maid by Dan Vyleta.

The correct title should be The Crooked Maid. Thanks so much!

64Collectorator
Oct 8, 2013, 12:48 am

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65vancouverdeb
Edited: Oct 8, 2013, 7:11 am

Thanks, not sure how you got to that page, but yes, I did combine the two works. Thanks @ 64.

66Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 8, 2013, 7:41 am

It's a sub-page of the author page. Every author page has one.

P.s.: the link to get there is in the right hand column.

68fdholt
Oct 11, 2013, 6:29 pm

#67 done

69antonomasia
Oct 13, 2013, 2:56 am

This is an unabridged edition of A Little Princess, with a number of books combined with it, that's listed as a film.
http://www.librarything.com/work/3923203/book/101854778
There are also a few other unabridged editions not combined into the main work which I saw on the combine page.

70Nicole_VanK
Oct 13, 2013, 3:11 am

Separated that one out and recombined it with the book. For the rest I only see adaptations and a couple of unidentifiable ones.

71Pondlife
Oct 13, 2013, 9:31 am

I think these two works are the same:

http://www.librarything.com/work/6904
http://www.librarything.com/work/6599243

Both are "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A Heinlein, which is a well known title.

Both have lots of members, ratings and reviews.

72MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 13, 2013, 9:35 am

Please read the disambiguation notices on those. They are NOT the same. It was first published in an edited version, and only later in the full version.

73jasbro
Oct 13, 2013, 10:14 am

> 71 & 72: Thanks for noting -- and -- preserving the distinction!!

74Aninja
Oct 13, 2013, 2:41 pm

> 45 & 46: @BarkingMatt, thank you very much for explaining, it worked out great.

I'm getting much closer in cleaning up the Taniguchi graphic novels vs. the original Kawakami book. Now I'm stuck in combining these two:

#1 http://www.librarything.com/work/10910246/editions
#2 http://www.librarything.com/work/14357917/editions

I've added both authors to #2, but it doesn't appear on the "combine/separate" lists on the author pages. Is there a trick to this?

75Jarandel
Oct 13, 2013, 2:50 pm

>74 Aninja: Yep, #2 is a 0-copy work and they tend to be elusive especially when freshly separated/created, not appearing on authors' lists of works / combine pages though they may sometime appear as suggested combinations on a work's editions page.

76Aninja
Oct 13, 2013, 3:40 pm

> 75: Ohh well, I guess I'll just pretend #2 doesn't really exist. I've left a Disambiguation Notice on it. Thank you, @Jarandel :)

77henkl
Oct 13, 2013, 6:17 pm

>74 Aninja:: I combined them, using the Firebug method.

78jjwilson61
Oct 14, 2013, 11:46 am

71,72,73> I think it would be much safer if something was put in the title to distinguish the two works. Having two works by the same author with the exact same title just invites them to be combined, despite the presence of the disambiguation notice.

79jasbro
Oct 14, 2013, 2:14 pm

> 78: Absolutely; but I don't have time right now to separate and recombine everything here correctly (or close to it) to make sense of what kind of title elaboration makes sense where. Maybe, someday ... .

80prosfilaes
Oct 14, 2013, 2:54 pm

#79: What recombining? I'm sure there are problems buried in the editions list, but the general thrust of things is a nice division between the two. I've added (original edition) and (uncut edition), but I'm not wedded to them.

81bluepiano
Edited: Oct 14, 2013, 3:15 pm

I hope a general question is all right here; I've been combining my supposedly unique works and would like to combine as many as possible before bothering ye with ones I can't. I've read the general threads, have come upon two very clear posts telling how to combine a work listed under two authors, and yet still am wondering whether to tear out my hair or pour a stiff drink. For example, I've worked long & fruitlessly here (unless you consider ghost books fruit):

Conspiracy Charges Jay Murphy

Conspiracy Charges William S. Burroughs

Murphy (editor) is showing up in Burroughs's (contributor) editions, and vice versa. Could anyone possibly tell me what step I've missed? I've a few other books that I'd like to correct in the same manner. Thanks so much.

(edit: Sorry, but perhaps it would be better to search the site under book's title to understand the problem, as the Burroughs link above takes one to the Murphy listing. Stiff drink it is, then.)

82MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 14, 2013, 3:21 pm

81 - Done.

Each book had several 0 copy editions, but basically there were 2 copies attributed to different authors. They had the same series info, so I assumed they really did belong together, added one author to the other book, and combined from that author page.

For some reason the series info has been added both as a series and as a publisher's series, both of which only have this one book.

Did you try the 'others' link when making the touchstones?

83bluepiano
Oct 14, 2013, 3:22 pm

MarthaJeanne, you did that in the time it took me to check the links?? Do you mind if I ask *how* you did it? And--I'm so grateful despite this sounding ungrateful--shall I see whether I can transfer both copies to Murphy's page rather than Burroughs's? Burroughs is only one contributor of many . . . Many many thanks.

84MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 14, 2013, 3:30 pm

You can play more with the other authors bit on the main page to get the authors right.

That is quite a useful place when things are wrong, but you do need to be really sure what you put in is accurate.

FIRST make sure your copy is right.

85jasbro
Oct 14, 2013, 7:50 pm

>79 jasbro:: Thanks for those title additions! Remember when I said I didn't have time? I had just seen "uncut" among Editions for both Works - always a signal (to me, at least) for REALLY digging in. Now that we've got your lead, maybe it's time to get busy.

87Collectorator
Oct 18, 2013, 2:41 pm

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88SaintSunniva
Oct 18, 2013, 4:35 pm

Thanks, Collectorator. Btw, I left a message for you on the BiCB group.

Here's another to combine:

http://www.librarything.com/work/14374032/book/102991199
http://www.librarything.com/work/9264363

89fdholt
Oct 18, 2013, 4:43 pm

#88 done

91Collectorator
Oct 18, 2013, 5:22 pm

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92MarthaJeanne
Oct 18, 2013, 5:58 pm

Those two are now combined, but there is more cleaning up to be done on that page, and yes, there is some wierd stuff going on there.

93MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 19, 2013, 12:50 pm

Hm, I just combined the German and French versions of this http://www.librarything.com/work/11164150/summary/103003576 from the author page, and it has disappeared from there. Any ideas?

I have since added a canonical name to the author page as the final letter of the author's name wasn't showing.

ETA Book is back on the page now.

94barney67
Oct 19, 2013, 6:39 pm

95barney67
Oct 19, 2013, 6:41 pm

96barney67
Oct 19, 2013, 6:47 pm

97fdholt
Oct 19, 2013, 7:33 pm

#94-96 CK is moved and disambiguation notices written where needed.

98leselotte
Oct 20, 2013, 2:50 am

http://www.librarything.com/work/7786876/summary

I already added Ingrid Uebe as main author, but I cannot delete Paul Biegel (who shows up as primary author, but hasn't written this book - ratty data). Do I have to split Paul Biegel and alias this one entry to Ingrid Uebe to make this book disappear from Biegels works?
(I'm not all that firm with adding/editing other authors and only do it once in a while!)
Thanks in advance!

99Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 20, 2013, 3:03 am

You can in fact overrule the main author by editing that entry in "other authors". And if Paul Biegel really wasn't involved in that book at all I think you should.

ETA: Splitting the Paul Biegel page is probably not the way to proceed either way, since it's unlikely that they mean a different Paul Biegel.

100leselotte
Oct 20, 2013, 3:29 am

Thanks, Matt! I looked whether I could find a way to overrule the main author, but couldn't quite find out how. So, how do you do it? (This entry is a mess anyways, one work was entered with the translator as author ... but Paul Biegel definitely isn't involved at all)

101Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 20, 2013, 4:50 am

In "other authors" there is a pencil icon after "main author". Click that and you can override what's there.

(I did it for you).

102leselotte
Oct 20, 2013, 8:58 am

Thanks! I did click on that pencil icon, but didn't see a way to delete/change the main author!

103Nicole_VanK
Oct 20, 2013, 11:04 am

If you hit that icon the main author name pops up in an editable field. (Or at least: it should).

104guurtjesboekenkast
Oct 22, 2013, 6:14 am

Please combine:

The Diary of a Superfluous Man, etc. (The Novels of Ivan Turgenev) Illustrated Edition by Ivan Turgenev

http://www.librarything.com/work/11755971

with:

http://www.librarything.com/work/11470791 (zero copies)

Thanks in advance

105r.orrison
Oct 22, 2013, 6:22 am

104: Done

106jefbra
Oct 25, 2013, 1:42 pm

hello

http://www.librarything.com/work/13575276
Milo Milton Quaife is the editor not an author

Thanks Jeff

107Jarandel
Edited: Oct 25, 2013, 2:03 pm

>106 jefbra: Seems fine to me, beside a great number of extra entries of both author and editor that I removed.

BTW the "» Add/edit other authors" function is for modifying top-level information, you probably need to edit your own copy's specific data, as if you own a copy your info will override display of top-level information when viewing the book unless you go out of your way to go to the work-only page.

108bluepiano
Edited: Oct 26, 2013, 9:16 am

Once again, I can get partway there but I can't figure out the final step; I understand Norton editions are to be kept separate from others and although my copy of Crime & Punishment has always been listed as a Norton edition it wasn't showing up as one--it was showing up as Crime and Punishment Fyodor Dostoevsky rather than Crime and Punishment Norton Critical Edition, 1st ed.

To find my copy amongst the 5 1/2 million editions of the book in order to separate before combining with the Nortons I temporarily altered the title to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCrime and Punishment. Then I combined with the other Norton 1st editions and when I search site for the Norton 1st ed. the XXXXXXXXXXXXXedition shows--but as a ghost book. As soon as I delete the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX's, my copy reverts to the standard edition. Assuming this makes sense to someone, what should I do to correct this?

Many thanks.

Oh. 'Norton Critical Edition, 1st ed.' is in brackets in the title (which is presumably why I can't get a proper link.)

109fdholt
Oct 26, 2013, 9:17 am

#108 The site search takes a few days for the new item to show up. When you separate, either use the helper's log to find the separated book: http://www.librarything.com/log_helpers.php?view=workseparation

or

When separating: after the screen tells you that you've separated the book out, click on the item from there.

You now have the item and the item number. Then combine with the Norton.

110Nicole_VanK
Oct 26, 2013, 9:27 am

>108 bluepiano:: I think I've correctly separated and recombined. Please check.

111prosfilaes
Oct 26, 2013, 3:29 pm

I won't be offended if no one finds this worth their time, but My Uncle Jules and Other Stories http://www.librarything.com/work/2151129 is almost certainly a number of different collections of different stories. If someone has the interest and time to dig out which stories and separate them, that would be nice. I've added a disambiguation notice with the list of the works in the Dover edition.

112connie53
Oct 26, 2013, 6:01 pm

I really do not know how to fix this problem. Part 3 and 4 of the 'de kronieken van de onderwereld' are mixed up. (The Mortal Instruments)

Part 3 = City of Glass - Stad van Glas
part 4 = City of Fallen Angels - Stad van Gevallen Engelen.

The covers turn up wrong what ever I do. I removed my copies and added them again. CK is mixed up.

http://www.librarything.nl/series/Kronieken+van+de+onderwereld

113bluepiano
Oct 27, 2013, 4:46 am

>110 Nicole_VanK:: Indeed, you have and thanks. If you can give me a clue how you combined them I'd be grateful, as I must do the same for my Norton Brothers Karamazov . . .

114Nicole_VanK
Oct 27, 2013, 4:58 am

I went to "editions" and used the "find" option of my browser to track down the words "norton critical". There were indeed some stuck in the general edition. After separating those - I hope I've missed none, but my computer is frustratingly slow on those huge author pages - I recombined from the author "combine/separate" page.

115JerryMmm
Oct 27, 2013, 6:36 am

wow. Am trying to add a relationship to the Norton edition, and finding the work Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky is impossible among all those other editions. It's made harder because the author on this edition is transcribed as Feodor, so it's only showing one other work by this author.

So, I'm changing the primary author to Fyodor for a minute, just to see if that works. I'll change it back to the one on the cover once I'm done.

116serwaa1
Edited: Oct 27, 2013, 5:44 pm

Please combine: Barber, Luke and Matt Weinstein, Work Like Your Dog

http://www.librarything.com/work/609264
http://www.librarything.com/work/13207173
http://www.librarything.com/work/5844362
http://www.librarything.com/work/9199605

Instead, I'm going to try to do this myself using the instructions here. http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining . Would you check if I did it correctly?

thanks

p.s was able to combine all copies but this one (because it doesn't have an author listed)
http://www.librarything.com/work/13207173

117MarthaJeanne
Oct 27, 2013, 7:03 pm

You can use other authors on the main page to add one if you are really sure.

I changed the other author on your combined work to make Weinstein a main author.

118tjsjohanna
Oct 27, 2013, 9:35 pm

>111 prosfilaes: - separated out the different collections

119connie53
Oct 28, 2013, 6:11 am

--> 112

I think I fixed this problem myself.

120Ameise1
Oct 28, 2013, 8:45 am

Help!!! I must have done something terribly wrong!!!

http://www.librarything.de/work/14168789/book/103222382 this site must be Annabelle

and Alice in Wonderland by the same author is an other book.

Can somebody please seperate those books and put them to the same author?

Thanks a lot :-D

121JerryMmm
Oct 28, 2013, 9:02 am

>120 Ameise1: Done.

Why did someone put a pic of a weazel or ferret or whatever on as a cover for that Annabelle one???

122Nicole_VanK
Oct 28, 2013, 10:32 am

It's an otter. (Doesn't explain the "why" though).

123Ameise1
Oct 28, 2013, 2:21 pm

@ 121

Thanks for trying to fix it, but unfortunately the mess is still there.

When I click on the cover 'Alice in Wonderland' (http://www.librarything.de/work/14168789/book/103222382) then the title and your book information looks lik this

but this is the site of Annabelle which should look like this http://www.librarything.de/work/14168789/book/101091860

When I go to the author's page and click on 'Alice in Wonderland' (http://www.librarything.com/work/14401518) than I miss my part 'your book information' as you can see:


So please could somebody fix this mess? Thanks a lot :-)

124jjwilson61
Oct 28, 2013, 3:45 pm

Click on the cover where? You'll note that the first url in your message has a book number in it. If that book is Annabelle and the work number in the same url is Alice in Wonderland then the results are going to be screwy, even if someone has since successfully separated that book from the wrong work.

So, did you click on the cover again, or did you just copy the bad url from the previous message. Even if the former, it may still take a while for that page with the cover that you clicked on to be regenerated with the correct url.

125r.orrison
Oct 28, 2013, 3:57 pm

You can take the work number out of the URL to get this: http://www.librarything.com/work/book/101091860 which gives you the page for that book, regardless of which work it is currently part of.

126Ameise1
Oct 28, 2013, 4:17 pm

@124 & 125

Click on the cover where? The covers of the recently added books. Then it shows up as in post 123 in the first part.
But when I go to your books and click the books there, everything is now fine.

Thanks a lot to everybody who was looking into my mess.

127jjwilson61
Oct 28, 2013, 4:35 pm

I don't know if a url in recently added books is ever updated. Does anyone know? You may want to keep an eye on it and if it's still taking you to the same page after 48 hours you could report it in the Bug Collectors group.

128antonomasia
Oct 31, 2013, 1:53 pm

The Proust is in a mess again - it was last time I looked too. Looks exhausting to sort it out. Anyway, my edition of the Guermantes Way (vol 3) came up automatically listed as vol 1, another edition of Swann's Way (vol 1).
I've retitled mine but the ISBN is combined.
http://www.librarything.com/work/18169/summary/103318451

129Ameise1
Oct 31, 2013, 3:19 pm

130Collectorator
Oct 31, 2013, 3:41 pm

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131Ameise1
Oct 31, 2013, 4:04 pm

@ 129

Thanks a lot Colletorator. It worked out fine :-D

132jefbra
Nov 1, 2013, 5:25 pm

Hello fixers

This book has 5 members but when you click on author it shows no members. I could find no other names for author.

http://www.librarything.com/work/10370936

http://www.librarything.com/author/gibbonmajorgeneraljo

Thanks Jeff

134MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 1, 2013, 5:57 pm

132> Your problem was in the fact that the work author was John Gibbon 1. I had to chose between combining the two author pages, or aliasing to the major general page. In the end I did the later because of the large amount of CK on that page.

Another time, if your book doesn't show up under your author, check what the work author is. You can see this on the bottom line 'Work Details' in the 'Your book information' box.

133> Same general problem, the work author is the editor in this case. I confirmed your author choice as a main author for all editions.

136MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 2, 2013, 1:54 pm

135> Done (Disambiguation page. This is fairly normal after a bunch of separating. The separated books have not been divided.)

137rebeccanyc
Edited: Nov 2, 2013, 3:44 pm

136 Thanks, but somehow http://www.librarything.com/work/361429/summary/103248549 now has the book cover and title for the collection edited by Michael Newton but lists all the editions for the collection edited by J. A. Cuddon and doesn't show the contributors to the Newton edition. That's the one which shows I own it. And this one, which lists all the contributors for the Michael Newton edition, http://www.librarything.com/work/9883776, says I own it but also offers me the option to add it to my library.

ETA This is the work page that shows the Cuddon cover, http://www.librarything.com/work/361429

138MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 2, 2013, 5:31 pm

This is your book: http://www.librarything.com/work/9883776/book/103248549

You can always put a work number and a book number together and get a weird result. Always use NEW links after a bunch of separations and combinations. Since the combining I did was from an author page, only works assigned to that author were involved.

I don't know why the work is still a bit mixed up.I can't see what you do as I am not signed in as you. From here it looks fine. I suggest you see what it looks like in the morning.

139rebeccanyc
Nov 3, 2013, 7:02 am

Thank you MarthaJeanne. If I had been thinking, I would have realized that of course I should use new links, so thanks for pointing that out. I think everything is OK now, and I appreciate your help. I will also keep it in mind to combine from the author page from now on.

140jasbro
Nov 3, 2013, 7:26 am

Not surprisingly, The Norton Anthology of English Literature needs Much Love. Please see http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Norton+Anthology+of+English+Literature . Thank you!

141MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 3, 2013, 7:56 am

139> and after separations you need the disambiguation page if the author has been divided.

BTW, just for fun
http://www.librarything.com/work/14355242/book/101284922
Both of those works are singletons, but you can see how easy it is to make garbage.

142Collectorator
Nov 3, 2013, 8:13 am

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143bluepiano
Nov 3, 2013, 8:38 am

> BarkingMatt: Belated thanks for a very helpful hint. I'd never noticed the 'find' option and lordy does using it make a difference.

More generally, I'll soon get round to bringing here some things I can't combine + a few general questions. Would putting each in a separate post be easier on ye than putting them in one post, or does it matter? Ta.

144Ameise1
Nov 3, 2013, 10:12 am

I need some help

When I do a search for the author 'Preston Fleming' in the site search, then his new book 'Exile Hunt' won't appear. The same thing happens when I put the book 'Exile Hunt' into the site search.

But when I go to the author site http://www.librarything.com/author/flemingpreston or to the book site http://www.librarything.com/work/14411438 I can see this book.

Please, could someone fix it so, that the book 'Exile Hunt' will appear also on the site search in both ways (asking for the author or the book)?

Thanks a lot :-D

145Jarandel
Nov 3, 2013, 10:41 am

>144 Ameise1: Site search often runs a few days behind new data, nothing to do but wait a bit.

146JerryMmm
Nov 3, 2013, 2:10 pm

>143 bluepiano: all in one post would be fine, just number them for convencience.

147bluepiano
Nov 3, 2013, 4:35 pm

Ta. Shall do.

148inge87
Nov 3, 2013, 4:55 pm

Here's an author combination issue:

Mrs. Margaret Oliphant (http://www.librarything.com/author/oliphantmargaret-1) and Mrs. Oliphant (http://www.librarything.com/author/oliphantmrs) are the same person. I know we can't combine them, because there are other female authors named Oliphant, but there are 218 (401) works on the second page that somehow need to get on the first one. I'm not sure what the best thing to do is.

149barney67
Nov 3, 2013, 6:21 pm

150Jarandel
Nov 3, 2013, 6:30 pm

>148 inge87: Divided "oliphantmrs" and did a quick round-up of works in there by mrs margaret oliphant, probably some more I missed.

Both http://www.librarything.com/author/oliphantmrs-1 and http://www.librarything.com/author/oliphantmargaret-1 are now aliased to http://www.librarything.com/author/mrsoliphantmargaret

152Jarandel
Nov 4, 2013, 10:30 am

154Collectorator
Nov 6, 2013, 12:08 am

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155Nicole_VanK
Nov 6, 2013, 12:23 am

I would say: Alias the split of 1) into 2). But let's see if we get some more votes.

156henkl
Nov 6, 2013, 2:05 am

#153 by @MarthaJeanne> Done.

157henkl
Nov 6, 2013, 2:06 am

#155 by @BarkingMatt> Agreed.

158MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 6, 2013, 2:41 am

There is one abreviated name in 2 that should probably be separated out and put into 1. And then split 1 and alias into 2.

159Collectorator
Nov 6, 2013, 3:04 am

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161Jarandel
Nov 6, 2013, 8:55 am

162markbarnes
Nov 6, 2013, 9:45 pm

I neglected to say 'thank you' to @Jarandel for 151. Apologies.

163barney67
Nov 7, 2013, 8:40 pm

164barney67
Nov 7, 2013, 8:54 pm

If I click on Valerie Eliot here:

http://www.librarything.com/work/237464

It goes to T. S. Eliot (her husband), here:

http://www.librarything.com/author/eliotts

165fdholt
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 9:21 pm

#163 Information transferred. Author was erroneously combined and I will work at fixing this.

Edited to add - When I go to your work, it is The letters of Eliot; he is the author listed. Valerie is an editor but has not been added to the work. See the area under Add/edit other authors.

Further edited to add: I fixed the Richard Weaver page:
http://www.librarything.com/author/weaverrichard

But it now leaves the Richard M. page as one author which had already been split. There was a magazine article that I tracked down which was written by #1.
http://www.librarything.com/author/weaverrichardm

Should this be set to undivided author? Or just leave it be?

166fdholt
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 9:25 pm

#164 I also split off the Valerie Eliot from T.S. Eliot's page. They are not the same author. That may have been your problem in #164. See if this helps now.

168prosfilaes
Nov 9, 2013, 2:57 pm

http://www.librarything.com/work/128984 is made up of what seem to be two distinct works:
The Universal Computer: The Road from Leibniz to Turing / Davis, Martin (ISBN 0393047857)
Engines of Logic: Mathematicians and the Origin of the Computer / Davis, Martin (ISBN 0393322297)

Separating them wouldn't be hard, but I can't establish if they're actually different works or a different title for the same book or a latter edition.

170Collectorator
Nov 9, 2013, 4:31 pm

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172stortemelk
Nov 9, 2013, 5:27 pm

173markbarnes
Nov 9, 2013, 6:44 pm

Can I ask some quick advice?

I'm looking at http://www.librarything.com/author/blockdanieli

Currently Daniel Block and Daniel I Bock are combined, and then disambiguated into two distinct authors.

Is this best practice, or would it be best to separate the two names, disambiguate Daniel Block, then combine one of the Daniels with the Daniel I.

In other words, should you disambiguate BEFORE combining or AFTER combining?

174PhaedraB
Nov 9, 2013, 6:49 pm

173 > I would say the best practice would be to "separate the two names, disambiguate Daniel Block, then combine one of the Daniels with the Daniel I."

Any time disambiguation needs to be done, all of the middle initial and other distinct name forms should be separated and then the disambiguations should be aliased to the correct variation.

175leselotte
Nov 9, 2013, 6:54 pm

176Collectorator
Nov 9, 2013, 6:56 pm

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177markbarnes
Nov 9, 2013, 11:01 pm

@PhaedraB - thanks!

178leselotte
Nov 10, 2013, 4:38 am

>176 Collectorator: Thanks! Yeah, that's the way I feel sometimes, too ;)

I found 2 more:
http://www.librarything.com/work/5244041
http://www.librarything.com/work/11815977

179Nicole_VanK
Nov 10, 2013, 4:42 am

> 178: Done.

180wifilibrarian
Nov 10, 2013, 6:12 pm

Please separate

Blackout by John J. Nance an aviation thriller
http://www.librarything.com/work/475199

From

Blackout by Connie Willis, a world war 2 time travel book:
http://www.librarything.com/work/8903481

I don't know if it's this ISBN that's confusing the issue, 9781441875204, but that is the ISBN in Overdrive, and worldcat, but a lot of data sources I found via LT have it confused too.

Connie Willis's Blackout
http://www.worldcat.org/title/blackout/oclc/747037715&referer=brief_results

John J. Nance's Blackout
http://www.worldcat.org/title/blackout/oclc/42475831&referer=brief_results

181Collectorator
Nov 10, 2013, 6:24 pm

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182r.orrison
Edited: Nov 10, 2013, 7:16 pm

I will always believe title and author name before ISBN. I cannot imagine users who accept incorrect data getting the author wrong and the ISBN right; if the author and ISBN disagree, I believe the author as the user has cataloged their entry. (The same goes for title vs. ISBN disagreement.)

Blackout by John J. Nance belongs with other copies of Blackout by John J. Nance; Blackout by Connie Willis belongs with other copies of Blackout by Connie Willis -- regardless of ISBN.

183wifilibrarian
Nov 10, 2013, 7:25 pm

Thanks Collectorator, I had created edition 14445595 and I didn't combine on author name, at least not deliberately. That edition is no longer linking to the work by Nance, so I think you you separated it for me? As soon as I added the ISBN the Work record seemed to be combing Nance and Willis's books. I've now gone into the editions (remembered how to separate editions) and found the work that was associating Nance and Willis's books and separated them. Looks a lot better now. It'd be nice to be able to separate potential works as Nance's editions page is still suggesting Willis's Blackout work, among others.

184Collectorator
Nov 10, 2013, 7:38 pm

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185wifilibrarian
Nov 10, 2013, 8:08 pm

Yes, what @r.orrison says makes sense to me. Can a LT member combine via ISBN? I'm not sure I understand the difference between the actions of combining via Author name vs ISBN. I've seperated by viewing the list of possible work combinations in the editions page for Nance's work and I was able to separate Willis's work, so that may help in the future. Searching Overcat for 9781441875204 brings several records which are incorrect, they're records for Connie Willis's book but list John Nance as the author. So I could understand the LT work record for Nance getting messed up again if someone did an file upload, but hopefully not if they were adding by ISBN manually. It'd be nice if the library records were correct, as Overdrive's catalogue is correct, and these dud records all seem like Overdrive audiobook records. Sorry if this is all obvious to you, but it's good for me to learn.

186jjwilson61
Nov 10, 2013, 9:56 pm

185> You cannot combine by ISBN but sharing an ISBN will cause each work to be a suggested combination on the others work page.

187al.vick
Nov 11, 2013, 12:55 pm

Someone could add a disambiguation note in the CK.

188SaintSunniva
Nov 11, 2013, 6:59 pm

I added 3 Ladybird Books today - two went through easy peasy, but one didn't. King Alfred the Great needs to belong to the rest of the King Alfreds
my copy http://www.librarything.com/work/14449336/book/103611353
the others http://www.librarything.com/work/1723190

189stortemelk
Nov 11, 2013, 7:05 pm

> 188 done

190MarthaJeanne
Nov 13, 2013, 7:23 am

http://www.librarything.com/work/14453262/summary (0 edition)
http://www.librarything.com/work/14453266/editions/103644170

http://www.librarything.com/work/222656/editions needs a lot more separation, but I have only removed the editions that matck the Ian Beck version.

191Jarandel
Nov 13, 2013, 9:54 am

>190 MarthaJeanne: Some more separated out and recombined, probably still more to do.

192henkl
Nov 13, 2013, 10:25 am

#190 by @MarthaJeanne> Combining 14453262 and 14453266 done.

193MarthaJeanne
Nov 13, 2013, 10:28 am

Thank you.

194jjmcgaffey
Nov 13, 2013, 11:22 pm

Three books, with different authors, the same title, and no ISBN. Help!

http://www.librarything.com/work/8909066
http://www.librarything.com/work/4045206
http://www.librarything.com/work/2068295

I've got the editor as the author, the other two have nothing and a corporate author. Take your pick.

195Nicole_VanK
Nov 13, 2013, 11:25 pm

196AbigailAdams26
Nov 14, 2013, 6:43 pm

Hi: could someone please combine these two editions? I can't do it, because one is missing the author, but they are clearly the same book:

http://www.librarything.com/work/9212357
http://www.librarything.com/work/13910975

Many thanks!

197jjwilson61
Nov 14, 2013, 7:27 pm

196> You can do that by adding the author to the work that is missing an author using the other author ck field.

198Collectorator
Nov 15, 2013, 12:35 am

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199AbigailAdams26
Nov 15, 2013, 4:29 pm

Hi jjwilson61: I'm not sure how to add that author - I wasn't aware we could add things to other users' listings. In any case, thanks for combining!

200.Monkey.
Nov 15, 2013, 4:37 pm

>199 AbigailAdams26: It doesn't change what they have in their catalog, but it kind of fixes it at a higher level, enabling us to work around bad data.

201Tumler100
Edited: Nov 16, 2013, 11:05 am

Hei: could someone please combine these two editions? I can't do it, because one is missing the author, but they are clearly the same book:

http://www.librarything.com/work/13996193 by Anna Erishkigal (Author)
http://www.librarything.com/work/13927542 by Anna Erishkigal (Author), ~xartez (Cover artist)

I could not find an author field on:
http://www.librarything.com/work/13996193/commonknowledge

202wester
Nov 16, 2013, 11:23 am

I recently acquired China : een culinaire reis, which is the Dutch translation of China The Beautiful Cookbook, but I can't seem to combine the two. The English one thinks the author is Kevin Sinclair who wrote the text, while the Dutch one thinks the work (but not the book) was written by Julia Roles who edited it. Can someone please help me combine? Thanks!

203Nicole_VanK
Nov 16, 2013, 11:29 am

204MarthaJeanne
Nov 16, 2013, 12:14 pm

201> The first is a 0 copy edition so author page doesn't work.

But if it had copies, so that it would work, you add another author on 'other authors'. Technically, it is CK, I suppose, but it is not in the CK section. Not sure where it is by default, as I have moved mine up the page.

205barney67
Nov 16, 2013, 9:58 pm

206MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 16, 2013, 10:47 pm

205> Does this look better now?

3 is the father of 2. The unknown book is probably by 1.
No info on 4.

208MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 16, 2013, 11:06 pm

No, first the combined authors need to be separated.

http://www.librarything.com/author/villardhenry
seems to have only his works, so does not need to be divided.

Everything on the other page is by the other author so I have undivided that one.

209wifilibrarian
Nov 17, 2013, 4:36 am

210MarthaJeanne
Nov 17, 2013, 5:01 am

209> Done.

But I wish I knew why I had to add the author's name to the 1 copy work to make it show up on the author page to be combined. It really was already by the author.

211Bookwomble
Nov 17, 2013, 7:09 am

I manually added an edition of the Rubáiyát of Omar Kháyyam translated by Fitzgerald, which was automatically added to the editions of more literal translations. I can't see any way of identifying my specific edition in order to separate it and then combine it with the Fitzgeralds. Enligtenment, please.

This is my edition: http://www.librarything.com/work/120890/workdetails

212Collectorator
Nov 17, 2013, 7:15 am

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213henkl
Nov 17, 2013, 8:07 am

#201 by @Tumler100> Done.

214fdholt
Nov 17, 2013, 8:29 am

#210 I have seen this numerous times. What I do to make the author show on the work page is resave the main author again. Sometimes it takes two or three times to make it stick. (And I don't know why.)

215jjwilson61
Nov 17, 2013, 9:25 am

211> That url doesn't point to your book since it only has a work number in it.

216MarthaJeanne
Nov 17, 2013, 9:32 am

However, I did look at his copy, and there is no way to recognize it. It needs either some indication in the title that it is the Fitzgerald translation, or an ISBN.

http://www.librarything.com/work/120890/103732057

217Bookwomble
Nov 17, 2013, 3:57 pm

216> Is that the accepted way of giving the work an identifier: temporarily amending the title or ISBN?

218bernsad
Nov 17, 2013, 4:04 pm

It's not intended to be temporary. If you have the ISBN it would be useful to add it, and you could add Fitzgerald as the translator in the other authors sections.

219Nicole_VanK
Nov 17, 2013, 4:12 pm

But just "Rubáiyát by Omar Khayyam" - no ISBN, no further info in the title field, etc. - will make it a generic edition. Nothing we could fix. We can't separate/combine on copy level. I suggest adding something like "Fitzgerald edition" in parentheses in the title field. That we could separate and recombine.

220prosfilaes
Nov 17, 2013, 11:36 pm

#217: A work is uniquely identified by the author, the title and the ISBN. If all three of those things match another book, there's no way to separate the two copies.

221PhaedraB
Nov 17, 2013, 10:30 pm

212 > I'd hoped to never go near the Rubáiyát again ;-)

The best thing you can do is temporarily edit your own catalog entry to something distinctive, such as Rubáiyát of Omar Kháyyam That Belongs To Me or ***Rubáiyát of Omar Kháyyam*** or something else easy to spot or search for.

It may (maybe) auto-separate when you make that change, but if it doesn't (likely not) you can simply manually separate it from the incorrect work and then manually combine it with the correct work. Once it's where it belongs, go ahead and change your catalog entry back to what you want it to be.

If you don't know how to do the manual combination, just post the URLs here and someone will help. Maybe even me.

222MarthaJeanne
Nov 18, 2013, 4:33 am

I think I would go with a combination. First **Rubáiyat of Omar Kháyyam (Fitzgerald translation). That makes it easy to find. Then after the separation and combination take out the stars. In a smaller work I wouldn't bother with the stars. The Fitzgerald bit I would leave in.

223AbigailAdams26
Nov 18, 2013, 9:50 am

I've done something wrong, combining an author. I was trying to combine Clare H. Abrahall (which I had already combined with C.H. Abrahall) with C.M Drury, as they are the same author, but discovered that there are two C.M. Drury's, who had already been incorrectly combined. The C.M. Drury I'm looking for is Clare Constance Maria Drury, but the one I found was Clifford Merrill Drury. Or rather, I found an author listing for Clifford Merrill Drury that contained many books from Clare ... Drury, all of which is now combined with Clare H. Abrahall. Help!:

http://www.librarything.com/author/drurycliffordmerrill

224jasbro
Nov 18, 2013, 10:25 am

> 223, @AbigailAdams26: I'm copying your last post to the next thread, so we can address it in due course.

And with that, this thread is now CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #60 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/161182 . Thank you!

225MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 18, 2013, 10:28 am

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226Bookwomble
Nov 18, 2013, 7:32 pm

Thank you for all of your suggestions re the Rubáiyát - I manually added it with Khayyám as primary author and FitzGerald as a main author. It's a pre-ISBN issue, so that information obviously wasn't relevant for the edition.

I can fix it myself now I know it's OK to add a temporary unique identifier to the title. I've done that before, but it seemed to create a permanent "ghost edition" even after I had split, combined and removed the identifier. Hopefully that's just a caching issue that clears itself at the next refresh.

Thanks all :-)

227jjwilson61
Edited: Nov 18, 2013, 7:39 pm

226> I don't think that will work for the reason that prosfileas in 220 pointed out.

228Bookwomble
Nov 18, 2013, 7:54 pm

Thanks, JJ.

Only two of the criteria can match as my edition doesn't have an ISBN. The system seems to allocate it automatically anyway, though, and in this case to the wrong edition.

I've fixed it my using a unique identifier to separate and correctly combine. I then amended the title to the longer version on the title page, rather than the short title on the book cover. That seems to have made it stick with the correct work.

229Bookwomble
Nov 19, 2013, 3:23 am

211 & 288> OK, it had stuck in the right place, but overnight it has reverted back to the wrong set of works. I don't know what else to do. The title of my edition now states that it is the Fitzgerald translation so will be easily identifiable a sitting in the wrong place.

230MarthaJeanne
Nov 19, 2013, 5:22 am

I see it in the right work, using the link on your profile. Did you perhaps use an old link?

231jjwilson61
Nov 19, 2013, 9:38 am

228> My understanding is that with just the title and author and no ISBN the system will lump you're work with all the other works with the same title and author and no ISBN and it will combined with whatever all those other works are combined with.

The only way to make your book distinguishable from those other books is to add something to the title, perhaps Fitzgerald Translation in brackets, and keep it there in perpetuity.

232Bookwomble
Nov 19, 2013, 1:45 pm

230> I think you've hit the nail on the head, MarthaJeanne. I was linking from my Home page, which I guess is a static link put there when I first saved the edition. If I link from my Profile or from Your Books, then it is in the right place! All very confusing!! But I think I have a handle on it now :-)

231> Thanks for your advice JJ (and everyone else). I think I will be able to sort similar issues in the future :-)

233JerryMmm
Nov 19, 2013, 2:22 pm

I don't believe once combined an edition will change works without someone actually doing the separating and combining. So I don't believe you need to keep the information in the title.

I'll happily stand corrected if that's wrong.

234Nicole_VanK
Edited: Nov 19, 2013, 2:27 pm

I've seen it happen. If your entry is identical to something already combined elsewhere all bets are you're book will go there.

As is, I don't think LT can distinguish within identical entries - even if they mean something different.

235jjwilson61
Nov 19, 2013, 2:30 pm

If you change the title you change the "edition" the book is in, so even if you've combined the previous "edition" somewhere your book will no longer be in that "edition". Or at least that's how I though it worked, does someone know differently?

236JerryMmm
Nov 19, 2013, 3:50 pm

I don't believe books will jump works like that.

237Collectorator
Nov 19, 2013, 3:57 pm

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238prosfilaes
Nov 19, 2013, 4:10 pm

If the table structure is built so that books point to an edition and editions point to works, if you change the title/author/ISBN of a book, it will always point to a different edition in the database. If that edition is new, then the system can place it in the old work. If the edition is already in the database, the fastest and least disruptive thing to do is not to mess with what work that edition is in.

239JerryMmm
Nov 19, 2013, 4:14 pm

Shall we continue this discussion in a separate dedicated thread?

240Collectorator
Nov 19, 2013, 4:14 pm

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241jjwilson61
Nov 19, 2013, 4:15 pm

The thing is that the book combiner doesn't see the individual books, it sees these "edition" things and that is what is being combined. So unless your book has a unique title/author/isbn combination changing the title is going to change which "edition" your book is in which in turn may change the work for the book without any edition/work recombining going on.

242jasbro
Nov 20, 2013, 11:02 pm

This thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #60 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/161182 . Thank you!